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KIRK SHOOTING SUSPECT'S FRIENDS & 'FURRIES' EYED · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Did he have help the Charlie Kirk shooting suspects Friends
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  Speaker 2: and Furries tonight under the microscope? I, Nancy Grace, this
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  Speaker 2: is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: I heard the gunshot go off, and that was when
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  Speaker 2: I started hearing of Ussure playing and screaming to get down.
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  Speaker 1: I was arfied. He thought it out. He planned it
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  Speaker 1: out that much that he knew he had to change
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  Speaker 1: clothes to blend in.
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  Speaker 3: And it hit him in the.
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  Speaker 4: Coroner and artery and that cause to lead out almost.
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  Speaker 2: Immediately as the defendant, Robinson is facing formal charges in
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  Speaker 2: Utah County Court. Interesting not federal charges, state charge, but
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  Speaker 2: the death penalty is the death penalty is the death penalty,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's state firing squad or the federal electric chair.
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  Speaker 2: That said, facing formal charges as predicted that essentially mirror
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  Speaker 2: the charges under which he was arrested, that specifically being
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  Speaker 2: the murder of Charlie Kirk, a thirty one year old
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  Speaker 2: husband and father of two, for what motive, political hatred,
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  Speaker 2: ideology differences really at this.
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  Speaker 1: Hour, as we go to air.
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  Speaker 2: The defendants friends and Furries under a microscope. Did they
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  Speaker 2: know what was happening? What are they clairvoyant? They predicted
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  Speaker 2: it online? How did they do that without knowledge? Did
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  Speaker 2: they actually help him affect the murder? That and so
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  Speaker 2: much more we are learning, specifically.
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  Speaker 1: Who got rid of the note? Listen.
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  Speaker 5: The suspect wrote a ote saying I have the opportunity
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  Speaker 5: to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it.
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  Speaker 5: That note was written before the shooting. At the note,
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  Speaker 5: even though it has been destroyed, we have found forensic
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  Speaker 5: evidence of the note and we have confirmed what that
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  Speaker 5: note says because of our aggressive interview posture at the.
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  Speaker 6: FBI, Robinson communicated he had an opportunity to take out
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  Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk.
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  Speaker 1: And he was going to do it.
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  Speaker 6: Robinson reportedly texted the message and left a note in
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  Speaker 6: his Saint George apartment. The note was destroyed, but investigators
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  Speaker 6: discovered its contents.
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  Speaker 1: Through an interview.
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  Speaker 6: The FBI is now investigating if anyone refused to intervene
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  Speaker 6: or even helped him commit the murder.
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  Speaker 2: The sound of FBI Director Cash Patel from our friends
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  Speaker 2: at Fox. A lot of people are piling on Patel
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  Speaker 2: right now. Could we focus on the killer? I will
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  Speaker 2: get to Patel in a moment, but right now it's
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  Speaker 2: all about the evidence as formal charges being handed down
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  Speaker 2: against Robinson.
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  Speaker 1: What note? How did it get destroyed? What did it say?
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  Speaker 1: And why would someone destroy it?
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  Speaker 2: If Robinson himself did not destroy it, who did? Sounds
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  Speaker 2: like a codefendant to me, straight out to senior political
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  Speaker 2: reporter Daily Mail, Elena Shirazi, Elena, thank you for being
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  Speaker 2: with us.
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  Speaker 1: What note? Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: So you just heard FBI director Cash Hotel on Fox
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  Speaker 7: News on Monday say that Robinson wrote that note, reportedly
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  Speaker 7: saying quote, I have the opportunity to take out Charlie
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  Speaker 7: Kirk and I'm going to do it. Cash Bettel also
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  Speaker 7: said that the suspect wrote this note before the shooting.
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  Speaker 7: There was evidence that it existed. It was in their
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  Speaker 7: home that he lived with with his romantic partner. But
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  Speaker 7: even though Patel says it was destroyed, which there were questions,
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  Speaker 7: as you brunt up, Nancy, how was it destroyed? Who
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  Speaker 7: destroyed it? Because that is obviously crucial evidence. They've still
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  Speaker 7: found forensic evidence.
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  Speaker 8: Of the notes and they've confirmed what.
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  Speaker 7: The notes said because of aggressive interviews at the FBI.
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  Speaker 2: Elena Sharazzi, you are absolutely correct, But I don't like
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  Speaker 2: the way that that just tripped off your tongue.
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  Speaker 1: I want to.
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  Speaker 2: Get every single word you said, all the points you
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  Speaker 2: were making, because to me, every one of the points
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  Speaker 2: that you so quickly recounted is a point of evidence,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to you.
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan's joining me.
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  Speaker 2: I want to follow up on everything that Elina Sharazzi
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  Speaker 2: just said. Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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  Speaker 2: head of an incredible program there, author of Blood Beneath
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  Speaker 2: My Feet on Amazon's Star and you hit series podcasts
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  Speaker 2: Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan.
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  Speaker 1: That's said.
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  Speaker 2: He is a death investigator and forensics expert that has
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  Speaker 2: handled literally thousands of cases. Joe Scott, why didn't think
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  Speaker 2: I just take out an add on third Avenue?
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  Speaker 1: I did it?
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  Speaker 2: I mean to leave a written note. Now, that's something
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  Speaker 2: I would argue in closing arguments. But can we talk
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  Speaker 2: about the fact that the FBI director said it was destroyed,
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  Speaker 2: but that their investigation led to its contents. I smell
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  Speaker 2: a co defendant who destroyed that note? And how did
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  Speaker 2: they recreate that note?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah?
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  Speaker 10: Good question. I'm wondering if this is a physical note,
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  Speaker 10: like a handwritten note, I'm wondering if they have found
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  Speaker 10: partials of this note that they could have reassembled in
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  Speaker 10: some way, and we don't know what destroyed means. Does
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  Speaker 10: that mean that it's torn up? Does that mean that
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  Speaker 10: it was burned. All of these factors are going to
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  Speaker 10: play into it. So is there a chance that there
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  Speaker 10: could have been some kind of digital remnant? I have
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  Speaker 10: no idea.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Jo Scott, let's look at each three of those alternatives,
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  Speaker 2: because we know that they've been able to recreate it.
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  Speaker 2: So if it was torn up, simple some idgit it's
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  Speaker 2: I'm just going out on a limb here and hypothesizing
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  Speaker 2: it was either.
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  Speaker 1: Him or is your roommate that tore up the note?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that said it could have been somebody else that
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  Speaker 2: happened to be in their apartment that tore up the note.
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  Speaker 2: If all it was was torn up, we could put
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  Speaker 2: that right back together.
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  Speaker 1: Again, no problem.
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  Speaker 2: If it were burned, different thing that can be recreated too,
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  Speaker 2: And it's.
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  Speaker 1: Really not that hard.
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  Speaker 2: You've been on plenty of arsenal scenes, as have I.
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  Speaker 2: When something is burned, very often, unless the ashes have
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  Speaker 2: been scattered, you can still read what's on the ashes.
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  Speaker 1: That is a fact.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, and we have to understand that the evidence bons
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  Speaker 10: team from the FBI, that by the way, is very good,
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  Speaker 10: was on top of everything here, working hand in hand
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  Speaker 10: with state police. They would have been very careful at
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  Speaker 10: all of these scenes. Remember, Nancy, I think that people
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  Speaker 10: get lost in the sauce here thinking that there's only
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  Speaker 10: one crime scene. Nancy, You've got multiple scenes here, with
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  Speaker 10: not just the shooting site, but also the homes that
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  Speaker 10: are involved, the vehicles that are involved. There's all kinds
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  Speaker 10: of secondary and tertiary scenes involved in this. So this
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  Speaker 10: would have been an all hands on deck. They would
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  Speaker 10: have treated this note let's just say it wasn't an
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  Speaker 10: incinerated status. They would have treated it as if it's
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  Speaker 10: a fragile document from the distant past. One other thing
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  Speaker 10: I was thinking about if this was written on a
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  Speaker 10: notepad perhaps, and they used a tremendous amount of pressure
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  Speaker 10: when writing, which a lot of people do. If you
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  Speaker 10: find that pad, you can reconstruct it based upon the
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  Speaker 10: impressions left on the underlying paper still remaining.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, smart, smart Joe Scott. And of course here here's
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  Speaker 2: the other altar of Joe Scott not to be a
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  Speaker 2: dead horse, but digitally.
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: They said it was a note. They did not say
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  Speaker 2: it was a text for an email. But if there's
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  Speaker 2: some digital proof of that note, such as, hey, get
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  Speaker 2: rid of the note I left on my desk, there
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  Speaker 2: you go, there you go, proof of the note?
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  Speaker 1: You know, let me go out to a veteran trial lawyer.
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  Speaker 2: Franz Borghart, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor at junk Louisiana
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  Speaker 2: State University at Borgheart Law Firm dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Franz, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: What if I call you on the phone and go, hey, hey, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I left a note. I think it's on my desk
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  Speaker 2: under my laptop. Could you destroy it right now? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: and you destroy it, what can I charge you with
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  Speaker 2: after our detection place?
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  Speaker 11: So I've now entered the realm of obstruction of justice,
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  Speaker 11: possibly aiding in a betting in federal court. Nancy, it's
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  Speaker 11: a different crime, but it's all in that family of accomplice.
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  Speaker 1: While you may not be able.
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  Speaker 11: To be charged with murder, you're certainly looking at serious
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  Speaker 11: charges on what might be one of the most serious
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  Speaker 11: public murders and quite some time. So you are in
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  Speaker 11: a heap of.
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  Speaker 1: Trouble in your jurisdiction for obstruction of justice? What's the sentence?
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  Speaker 11: It could be five to twenty for obstruction. There's different
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  Speaker 11: flavors of obstruction. There's like a lesser one, but five
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  Speaker 11: to twenty and you better believe Nancy, they're going to
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  Speaker 11: be going for the twenty.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I predict, Franz Borgart, I predict the
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  Speaker 2: furries and friends are going to talk. They're going to
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  Speaker 2: talk rather than do twenty twenty hard on obstruction.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: There, and as I made about the roommate maybe being
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  Speaker 2: transgender and transitioning, and as friends are furries.
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  Speaker 1: Don't care. I don't care who they are, what they believe,
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  Speaker 1: what their sex preference is.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care what color they are, what religion or
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  Speaker 2: no religion they are. All I care about is did
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  Speaker 2: they have a hand in Charlie Kirk's brutal and public murder.
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  Speaker 2: That's all I care about, guys. There's more more evidence
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  Speaker 2: pouring out. Let's take a listen to the friends, especially
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  Speaker 2: the friends on that discord chat room.
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  Speaker 1: Being under the microscope right now.
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  Speaker 12: Listen, did they say it, hear it and think it
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  Speaker 12: was some kind of a joke. That's what we're trying
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  Speaker 12: to find out now. But I promise you if there's
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  Speaker 12: a larger network here, we're going to get that out
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  Speaker 12: to the public as soon as we can. Did they
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  Speaker 12: know where they sure this or did they hear this
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  Speaker 12: and just write it off? That's what we're going to
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  Speaker 12: have to find out, and that's what we're investigating.
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  Speaker 2: Up from our friends at Fox straight out to Sidney
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  Speaker 2: Sumner joining us in addition to Elina Shirazi with Daily Mail.
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  Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 1: What were the friends clairvoyant?
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  Speaker 2: Because didn't they post several of them something big is
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  Speaker 2: going to happen on September eleven, some of them.
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  Speaker 1: Even naming the place.
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  Speaker 2: It'd be funny if someone like Charlie Kirk got shot
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  Speaker 2: on September ten. Laughing my ass off? Really, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: when you're hauled in for questioning Mushy, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: you're going to be laughing your ass off then. And
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  Speaker 2: there's more what about it, Sidney Sumner? Oop, here's another one. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: September ten will be a very interesting day. I plead
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  Speaker 2: the fifth, Really, why do you plead the fifth? If
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  Speaker 2: you haven't done anything wrong, and there's so much more
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  Speaker 2: to say. That's on August the sixth, August to six,
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  Speaker 2: they're predicting something on the.
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  Speaker 1: Tent and then we effing did it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you guys have something big coming soon. Just be
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  Speaker 2: sure you check the news. You'll know it when you
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  Speaker 2: see it.
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  Speaker 1: Who are these people?
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  Speaker 3: Sidney Sumner right, Apparently these are all people that are
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  Speaker 3: being investigated as part of Robinson's network that may have
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  Speaker 3: known about this. I mean, I don't see a way
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  Speaker 3: to defend against Oh, I didn't know anything was happening.
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  Speaker 3: It seems like you did.
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  Speaker 1: Look at this.
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  Speaker 2: Look at this. Charlie Kirk is coming to my college tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: I really hope someone evaporates him. Literally, let's just say
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  Speaker 2: same person speaking omar. Let's just say something big will
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  Speaker 2: happen tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And look look at all the people that have reposted it,
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  Speaker 2: that have hearted it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they're clairvoyant. Franz Borghart. It's just like
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  Speaker 2: Scott Peterson. Oh, here's another one calls dropout, does not
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  Speaker 2: know what's coming tomorrow. They're referring to Charlie Kirk. Biskey
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  Speaker 2: didn't get into the military academies.
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  Speaker 1: Be ready.
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  Speaker 2: This isn't a threat, it's a promise. That's Jackson, Jackson,
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  Speaker 2: I want to haul you in by your toenails and
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  Speaker 2: find out why you said that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we effing did it.
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  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk has died. Oh, Franz Borgheart Just like Scott Peterson,
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  Speaker 2: they're not clairvoyant. Recall Peterson said to his lover, this
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  Speaker 2: is going to be my first Christmas without my wife.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have my first Christmas as a widow, and
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  Speaker 2: then bam he did because he murdered her and their
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  Speaker 2: unborn baby.
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  Speaker 1: Connor. Same thing here. These people are not clairvoyance.
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  Speaker 11: I don't know the answer to that.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know that.
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  Speaker 11: Their quote unquote co conspirators says they knew and didn't
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  Speaker 11: say anything. Absolutely foul, absolutely discussing. And you know, if
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  Speaker 11: everybody's going to start singing at some point, especially you
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  Speaker 11: toss a fire and squad seat, they're not afraid to
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  Speaker 11: put someone down, and everybody's going to start singing, and
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  Speaker 11: all this forensic.
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  Speaker 1: Evidence, all of it, all of it, it's.
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  Speaker 11: Going to be used against not only the shooter but
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  Speaker 11: also these individuals.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what about aiding and a betting. Wouldn't that qualify?
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  Speaker 2: Is aiding and a betting cheering someone on in their crime.
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  Speaker 1: Not put Franz Borghart up.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I know that you're coming at this from a
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  Speaker 2: different lens, through a different lens than I am. But
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  Speaker 2: just knowing about something is not necessarily crime. But if
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  Speaker 2: you aid in a bet, if you further that because
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  Speaker 2: spiracy at all, if you encourage encourage is listed in
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  Speaker 2: the Aiding and embedded Statute. The black and white letter
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  Speaker 2: of the law says, if you aid a bet.
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  Speaker 1: Their commas, you don't need everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Aid comma a bet, comma, encourage comma. If you encourage
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  Speaker 2: a murder, you're in it up to hear Borghart.
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  Speaker 11: Well, the federal government and the state are going to
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  Speaker 11: have leverage over these people, to be sure, even if
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  Speaker 11: it's not a strong aiding and a betting case, Nancy,
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  Speaker 11: they're going to be able to say, you know what,
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  Speaker 11: we're going to start against the wall and see if
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  Speaker 11: we can get to sick. And that's why I think
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  Speaker 11: more likely than not, these lower level people these and
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  Speaker 11: I say lower level because they weren't holding the gun,
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  Speaker 11: but they may be just as responsible. I think that
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  Speaker 11: they're going to cooperate and try to cut deals that
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  Speaker 11: take death penalty off the table.
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  Speaker 2: To doctor Bethany Marshall, joining us renown psycho analysts out
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  Speaker 2: of La, author of deal Breaker. You can see her
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  Speaker 2: now on peacock at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. Doctor Bethany,
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  Speaker 2: Who are the ghules that stand by and let a young.
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  Speaker 1: Father of two.
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  Speaker 2: Get shot in the throat, tearing his throat out and
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  Speaker 2: then they cheer after forget what they did, after the
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  Speaker 2: aiding and embedding, the encouraging this.
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  Speaker 1: That is a crime, a felony yancy.
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  Speaker 9: These ghouls are people who are also homicidal. You don't
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  Speaker 9: shear somebody on unless you also have homicidal ideation. Now,
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  Speaker 9: what's interesting about this shooting is it has some aspects
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  Speaker 9: of a.
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  Speaker 8: School shooting, not all.
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  Speaker 9: It's an assassination as well, and that he was standing
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  Speaker 9: at the top of a building. It was an efficient
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  Speaker 9: of barrel quality, scaring students, creating a power differential in school.
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  Speaker 9: Shooters tend to confess online and everybody overlooks it now
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  Speaker 9: because they're afraid to turn the guy in, or they
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  Speaker 9: minimize or discount it. What's interesting and different about this
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  Speaker 9: is this Purp was actually recruiting followers, and the followers
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  Speaker 9: willingly went along. And then I think one of the
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  Speaker 9: ways that he recruited followers was through gaming and having
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  Speaker 9: people watch him playing violent games, and so he was
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  Speaker 9: kind of creating an army of support. And I'm going
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  Speaker 9: to say these people wished Kirk dead as much as
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  Speaker 9: the Purp did. They just didn't have to pick up
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  Speaker 9: the gun and do it themselves, but they certainly egged
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  Speaker 9: him on and pushed him towards it, And in my mind,
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  Speaker 9: that is complicity at a psychological level.
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  Speaker 12: Did they say it, hear it and think it was
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  Speaker 12: some kind of a joke. That's what we're trying to
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  Speaker 12: find out now. But I promise you, if there's a
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  Speaker 12: larger network here, we're going to get that out to
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  Speaker 12: the public as soon as we can. Did they know
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  Speaker 12: where they sure this or did they hear this and
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  Speaker 12: just write it off. That's what we're going to have
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  Speaker 12: to find out, and that's what we're investigating.
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  Speaker 2: He changed clothes to us to void so as to
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  Speaker 2: avoid detection. He covered his tracks, he parked far away,
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  Speaker 2: he hid his weapon, He had to go back and
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  Speaker 2: retrieve his weapon. He tried to cover his face. Everything
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  Speaker 2: indicates he knew what he was doing was wrong and
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  Speaker 2: he tried to hide it afterwards. So this guy, the
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  Speaker 2: Kirk suspect, he ain't all that in a bag of chips.
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  Speaker 2: Let me throw a technical legal term at you, idiot,
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  Speaker 2: ange and I we're learning a potential motive hatred old
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  Speaker 2: as dirt.
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  Speaker 1: In one text sent by the.
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  Speaker 2: Allegislator, he was asked why he said some hatred cannot
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  Speaker 2: be negotiated with. The alleged shator says, some hatred cannot
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  Speaker 2: be negotiated with. And you know what that says to me,
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you won't get a plea negotiation. Think about it.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if his own words will be thrown back
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  Speaker 2: in his face. Will this be a death penalty case
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  Speaker 2: in the end, or will it fizz out like coburger
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  Speaker 2: before the public knows what really happened in the degree
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  Speaker 2: of planning involved.
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  Speaker 1: In Kirk's murder.
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  Speaker 2: Right now we are learning formal charges and they mirror
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  Speaker 2: the charges on which he was arrested.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: This is how it goes.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Police have pc problem cause to arrest you. The arrest
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: is for let's just say, murder and weapons charges. Generally speaking,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: the formal charges and indictment will mirror what the cops
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: used to arrest you for simple Now, sometimes additional events
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: will come to light and there may be different or
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: additional charges. That said, that's exactly what is happening in
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: this case. There are additional charges, but the one that
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: really matters is murder. Now we are learning that the
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: shooter was apparently radicalized online city summer. Before we discuss that,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: could you just remind everybody how many thousands of hours
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: the alleged sheater was online.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Well, we know from his Twitch channel, so this is
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: the amount of streaming games and he's played that he's
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: publicly put out there for everyone to watch more than
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: two thousand hours. That's over ten years. But when you
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: do the math there, that's an hour a day. Lease.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Now, when you say that that was the amount we
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: know of that was streamed, a lot of people are
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: not familiar with what that means, nor should they be
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: familiar with it. They're out working and having lives. My
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: understanding is he would play online, and there were two
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: thousand hours of him playing online that he posted.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Or that people could watch as he streamed it.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: That doesn't include all the online activity that he didn't
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: share streaming.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: It's absolutely right. So Twitch is like Facebook for video games,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: So it's like streaming yourself live on Facebook, and people
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: can tune in and watch as you're playing the video game.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: So there's no telling how many hours he played, not publicly,
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: just on his own devices without streaming it to everyone.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: This is only a fraction of what he shared publicly.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: So the reason I'm telling you about this is because
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: many suspect he was radicalized online, steeped in political hatred online.
• 21:55
  Speaker 13: Listen, I will say that that person has been very
• 21:58
  Speaker 13: cooperative with authorities.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: An anonymous family member of the person Robinson lives with
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: believes Lance Twigs radicalized Robinson. The woman says Twigs is
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: very low contact with their family and hates them for
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: their political and religious beliefs. She blames immersion and online
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: gaming culture for some of the personality changes seen in
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: the roommates since moving in together, but her gut tells
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: her Twig provided the fuel behind Robinson's sudden extremism.
• 22:27
  Speaker 13: There was kind of that that deep dark Internet, the
• 22:31
  Speaker 13: Reddit culture and these other dark places of the Internet
• 22:35
  Speaker 13: where this person was going deep.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: That from our friends, that's the Utah Governor Spister Cox
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: from NBCIT speaking earlier crime stories with Nancy Grace, Chris
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: McDonald joining me, Director Cole Case Foundation, star of the
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Interview Room on YouTube, but former homicide detective working over
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: three hundred homicides plus more. Chris mc donald, motive doesn't matter. Now,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I know that sounds off base, but the reality is
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: motive does not have to be proved by the state period.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: However jury's like to hear it.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: What do you think about this radicalized online You know, Nancy.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: There's a couple of things happening right now that are
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: fluid in this investigation. They are scraping the internet for
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: every click, every keyboard click from mister Robinson's devices, and
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: those keyboard clicks will tell us any kind of messaging
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: that may or may not have been going back and
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: forth to the streaming platforms where these gamers hang out.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: The roommate hung out on a variety of different type
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: of streaming platforms. One of them was Twitch, the other
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: one was what they call steam Steam. I've been on
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: the ground the last three days here in Utah. This
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: is where the investigation is focusing. There's one other point
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: that they're trying to establish and that's the car and
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: of itself. They've pulled the telematics out of the car.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: They want to know if that car was moving when
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: that shot went off, if that car was moving. Now
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: we're into another direction that this investigation.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Could take hold on.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: That is a bombshell repeat about the car potentially moving
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: while Robinson allegedly scaled down the side of that wall
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: while he was shooting, while he was laying in white
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: and a sniper's nest.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: What yeah, And while we remember when we talked the
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: other day, Nancy, that the car was at his residence
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: right there. Well, of course it had to get there.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: So they're tracking his phone pings and his phone pings
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: just kind of my understanding, they're not positive if it
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: went to a car or if the car was parked,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: et cetera. So they now have that car and they
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: have pulled the data on that car, and that's going
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: to potentially take them either A it was parked or
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: B there's something else going on here and somebody is
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: driving a car to.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Elena Shirazi, joining a senior political reporter Daily Mail, Elena,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: we were looking at video and steals of the same
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: video of the defendant walking through a neighborhood. He had
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: thought ahead, Elena, as you well know, and changed his outfit.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Take a look at this. This is him walking through
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: a neighborhood. That's where friends at TMZ in an entirely
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: different outfit. Now, when he was neiling down and lying
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: on his stomach, he was wearing what you see on
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: the right.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Now, Wait a minute, eight o seven.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: He's on foot eleven forty nine, his change clothes, his
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: back on foot.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Where was his car? Did someone drop him at a
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: drop point and pick him back up? Did he hide
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: his car somewhere and go back to it? Elena? What
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: do we know?
• 26:27
  Speaker 14: Yeah?
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: I mean looking at all of this, including those discord
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: messages that the FBI is looking through, that sort of
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: predicted that this would happen, the fact that he was
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: so entrenched in these groups, also referencing, of course, his
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: romantic partner, which authorities say he became really radicalized, sort
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: of impassioned by his views afterwards. So I mean, looking
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: at this, I mean it started with a note and
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: will end with a funeral. They recovered the Malser ninety
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: eight rifle. There was a towel with DNA print there
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: is enough evidence there. The big question now is was
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: he working alone? And they do have evidence that they're
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: looking through now that could potentially point to that. But
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: we certainly, we certainly will see. He just ditched his
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: gun in the forest, in the woods before he wins,
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: so it was premeditated. As you said, he changed his clothes.
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: It was planned. But he's clearly not an expert because
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: he left his DNA.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Elena were showing right now.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: You're correct where he ditched the gun, and we had
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: on the little facts that we knew at the time,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: hypothesized that the tree area, the tree line where he
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: ditched the gun was not up in the mountains where
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: many people thought he had scanted up into the mountains
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: pulling an Eric Rudolf, the Olympic bomber. He lived in
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: the mountains for years before he was caught, but somewhere
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: close to road. So that leads me to wonder did
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: someone pick him up in his vehicle after he ditched
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: the gun. Little did he know a towel is the
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: perfect conduit for DNA.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Chris mcdonna, you stated that the car.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And its NAV system is being reviewed now to determine
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: if it was moving at the time Charlie Kirk was murdered.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: How does that work?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: How do they do that?
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: So what they do is they pull the navigation system
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: out as well as some of what they call a
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: telematic system, and they're able to send that to either
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Chronicle or Salt Lake City, where they have also an
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: FBI office, And in that data you're able to see
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: exactly what that car is doing, if it's moving, you know,
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: if it makes if the blinker comes on, et cetera.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: There's a tremendous amount of forensic data that can be
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: had there. And let's not forget that the that Tyler
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Robinson at this point also post thomicide bold his roommate
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: to go, you know, potentially go get that gun. Okay, Now,
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: why would he do that? What's going on there? And
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: so this is the angle I think the law enforcement
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: is running on in terms of trying to get the
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: bigger circle, because I think that the car and of
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: itself is going to be very critical in relationship to if,
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: like we were talking about here, Nancy.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: If it's moving, if it's right.
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: About it, Hey, look his car, I like that in
• 29:41
  Speaker 10: the possessive who's driving the car Nancy, They've already found
• 29:45
  Speaker 10: DNA on a towel. This is going to be very
• 29:48
  Speaker 10: compelling to me. They will search this car thoroughly. Chris
• 29:51
  Speaker 10: had mentioned the electronics in the car, but I'm interested
• 29:56
  Speaker 10: in contact Tracey DNA on that steering wheel. I want
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: to know is there anybody else's DNA in that car
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: that is not an owner of the vehicle, who's operating
• 30:08
  Speaker 10: the vehicle, if they've gone down this road relative to
• 30:10
  Speaker 10: this towel. Remember they found the screwdriver as well that
• 30:14
  Speaker 10: they say had remnant of DNA. Well, if someone is
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: using the gear lever, if someone is opening the door
• 30:22
  Speaker 10: inside of this vehicle, somebody is obviously steering it. I
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: want to know did they recover any touch DNA inside
• 30:30
  Speaker 10: of this vehicle? And also are there any latent prints
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: inside the vehicle? Now we know if he's in a
• 30:36
  Speaker 10: relationship with this person, it's not beyond understanding that that
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: individual would occupy that space. However, it opens the door
• 30:44
  Speaker 10: for other questions forensically, like operating the vehicle. Have you
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: ever operated this vehicle before? And you begin to press
• 30:53
  Speaker 10: this individual relative to more information, Well.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Think about it, Jesscott Morgan, here's a great example. I
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: know you recall the reporter Teresa Halback who was sex assaulted, murdered,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and her body burned in a fire pit in the
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: backyard of Stephen Avery.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: All that was found were some of her.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Teeth and the studs on the back of her Dacy
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Flints jeans. Her vehicle was part at the end of
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: his auto salvage lot covered up and on the ignition
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: was his sweat where he can you imagine hunched over
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: the wheel trying to crank up her car and go
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: hide it, just sweating onto the ignition, and the LA
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: there law enforcement got his sweat off the ignition. I mean, yes,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: you're right, but here's one thing. I understand everything you're saying,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: and you're absolutely correct. The thing I don't understand, Doctor
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall. If somebody calls you after you gunned down
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: tearing his throat out and say hey, hey, can you
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: get me a ride, and.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: The person says, oh, yeah, here I come.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I was just circling who and the h A double
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: al goes.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Along with that.
• 32:13
  Speaker 9: See, Nancy, this is where I think the behavioral evidence
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: is so important. Let's say these two are acting in concert.
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: What we know about men who are homicidal who act
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: in concert is usually there's a stronger male who recruits.
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: A more vulnerable male. And what we're going to see
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: if you look.
• 32:32
  Speaker 9: At all of the Twitch accounts, how he they were
• 32:35
  Speaker 9: interacting with people online.
• 32:37
  Speaker 8: What I'm interested in.
• 32:39
  Speaker 9: Is is it just the purp on Twitch playing violent
• 32:44
  Speaker 9: games in front of a following, or is it the
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: two of them.
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: Recruiting a following.
• 32:51
  Speaker 9: To me, that is so vital and that's going to
• 32:54
  Speaker 9: be very easy to see Nancy, whose face is there,
• 32:57
  Speaker 9: who's electronic foot bridge is there? And I also think
• 33:01
  Speaker 9: of this almost like a small cult where you have
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: two people who are just getting a ground swell of support.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: As of tonight, the suspect Robinson has stopped cooperating, but men,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: a true word.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Is spoken in jest. Take a listen.
• 33:20
  Speaker 13: The suspect has not been cooperating so far, and so
• 33:24
  Speaker 13: we're getting all of this information from family members again again,
• 33:28
  Speaker 13: people around the suspect.
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: Almost immediately after the release, Robinson's friends called him out
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: in their discord group chat. When asking Robinson where he is,
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: Robinson shoots back, it's my doppelganger trying to get me
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: in trouble another for claims Tyler killed Charlie a third,
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: So just turning Robinson in for the reward, and Robinson sneers,
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: only if I get a cut.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: He saw the Governor speaking to our friends at NBCA.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Dr Bethany Marshall, help me out here. You just take
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: a two hundred yard shot and tear the throat out
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: of a h been father, Okay, and then you're joking
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: about getting a cut of the reward when you're the killer.
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: Actually, Nancy, this does fit the profile of this kind
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: of a killer, because what it tells me is that
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: he had some kind of paranoid ideation, meaning that he
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: felt that Charlie Kirk's presence on this earth was affecting
• 34:19
  Speaker 9: him negatively in some way. So once he takes him out,
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: there's a relief phase. There's always a relief phase after
• 34:26
  Speaker 9: homicide or somebody's calm. We saw Casey Anthony going shopping
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: kind of dancing on the other person's brave, So I
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: think that's really probative here that the fact that they're
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: joking with each other because the group is getting their
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: jolly's off. They're very happy that this has happened.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: It's almost as if he's giddy. Li wasn't to this.
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: The chat continues, joking, now, Luigi Mangioni was caught. Whatever
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: you do, don't go to a McDonald's anytime soon. Robinson
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: replying he better get rid of this manifesto an exact
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: copy rifle I have lying around before, insisting the shooter
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: is clearly from California.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Elena Shirazi, joining a senior political reporter Daily Mill, explain
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: they are comparing the shooting of Charlie Kirk to the
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: shooting of Brian Thompson, the health CEO.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Correct. Yeah, they're trying to draw.
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: Comparisons there and just kind of make some comments in
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: jest for Luis Gimi and Ngioni, who was arrested Adam McDonald's.
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: So you know, they responded with a punchline to that.
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: So the question is if they truly believe that Robinson
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: didn't do it, you know, that could be a part
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: of the reason why they were joking. If they did
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: know it was him, that's an entire story in and
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: of its own, but you can imagine what was going
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: through a second.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: You're right, Elena, But I want to point out to
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: They're comparing him to Luigi Mangioni.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Who we have on VDA shooting Brian Thompson dead, sneaking
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: up on him like a coward and.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Shooting him dead, much the way.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk was shot dead at a distance, so the
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: shooter couldn't be hurt or attacked.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: It's easy to shoot somebody, gun them down with a
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: scope in a long.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Runing's rifle, right, And here he is talking about, yeah,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I better not. I better get rid of my manifesto
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: like Manngioni's manifesto, and I got to get rid of
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: the copy rifle. He's not saying, what are you talking about.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I didn't do this. I would never kill anybody.
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: You know, Nancy.
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: If you dress it up as a homicide for some
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: kind of ideological reason, you just rationalize to yourself that
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: it's okay. But the end of the day, homicide is homicide, okay.
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: And I think of homicide in a case like this
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: he talks about hatred. I think underneath the hatred is
• 36:57
  Speaker 9: basic envy. Charles Kirk had a great life, a great wife,
• 37:02
  Speaker 9: two beautiful children. He had the public stage. He was beloved.
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: It was kind of a provocateur, but people flocked to
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: debate with him and to hear what he had to say.
• 37:12
  Speaker 9: And I think that these purpse and I'm going to
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: put an s on the end of this because I
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: think they all polluted. Even though the group didn't want
• 37:20
  Speaker 9: to get their hands dirty. They say one soldier out,
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: it's a group. I think there's basic envy towards somebody
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: who was leading a great life.
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: They couldn't stand it.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Does that fit in with many of these cohorts of
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: his leading a secret life as a furry?
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: We don't, Nancy.
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: I'm kind of sad that furries have gotten drawn into
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: this because by and large, the furries are sort of
• 37:48
  Speaker 9: a diverse community of people who are fun loving. They
• 37:51
  Speaker 9: like to have personal expression. They talk about wearing fur suits,
• 37:55
  Speaker 9: which they'll spend months making.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk had his throat torn out.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I appreciate your defance of the furries, but can we
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: please focus on the murder?
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, there is a small portion of the furry
• 38:10
  Speaker 9: community they talk about expressing their personalities wearing their fur suits,
• 38:15
  Speaker 9: but a small port a portion of them have fetishes
• 38:18
  Speaker 9: in that dressing up as an animal is very sexualized. Now.
• 38:22
  Speaker 8: Interestingly, the shooter made.
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: A reference to his bulge, telling me that he equated
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: shooting Charlie kirk with having an erection, meaning that there
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: was a sexual thrill in shooting him in the throat.
• 38:38
  Speaker 9: So we have envy, we have school shooting psychology. We
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: also have sexual excitement, which tells me that you have
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: a group of followers online who in some ways have
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: also fetishized killing. I don't think this makes the furry
• 38:53
  Speaker 9: community look very good. I don't think this has to
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: do with furries.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I think this has to do with the.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Little nobody's running from his congeniality right now, Doctor Bethany,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: And what I tried to ask you was is part
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: of a rich fantasy life, pretending you're an animal. Okay,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: if you're already living in another realm, is this just
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: a part of your pretend world?
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I mean Kirkus did.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: And whether they were going along gleefully, it wasn't real.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: They were going along with it in real life, whether
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: they meant to or not. The seed Doctor presumes you
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: intend the natural consequence of your act. And when you
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: help encourage eight and bet someone to commit and murder,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: whether you're pretending or it's your fantasy, doesn't matter. The
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: law assumes you intend the natural consequence of your act.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: And I want to point out that so many people
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: are gleeful over murder.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Listen to this.
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: Real world consequences for hateful responses to Kirk's murder. A
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: surgeon resigned after loudly proclaiming Kirk got what he deserved.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: DC canceled a.
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: Comic book series after just one issue.
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: Because the artists posted I hope the bullets okay. As
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: quickly as they ran to social media to celebrate Kirk's death,
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: many returned with news of their firings, many extremely angry.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Or in tears over the shocking development.
• 40:39
  Speaker 10: To hold me dead, go help me dead?
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: He hold me dead? Good cravy, What was that? Said?
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: They?
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: What was that? Well?
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: That was eighteen year old At Cameron Giselle, who approached
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: a student on campus who was standing there holding a
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: sign that said rest in peace, Charlie Kirk and was
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: decorated with photos of him. This was one student by himself,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: standing there memorializing Kirk, not really speaking with anyone unless
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: somebody approached him specifically, and Giselle felt the need to
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: attack this person for standing out there with a memorial sign.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: So you saw her insane song that she was singing.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: She was getting in his face as other students gotten.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: But you're glossing over the fact.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Sydney.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: She said, if your homie did, he got shot in
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: the head.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: If your homie did, That's what she was saying.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: And that is from at as private story on TikTok. Now, Okay,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: I want you to see the nurse that called this
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: took some guts, called a surgeon on celebrating Kirk's murder.
• 41:58
  Speaker 14: No, I'm not fired as of right now. Now, right now,
• 42:01
  Speaker 14: I am suspended and definitely unpaid. Why so I walked
• 42:08
  Speaker 14: into the nurses station and I just had learned about
• 42:12
  Speaker 14: Charlie Kirk. I saw this guy, I didn't know who
• 42:15
  Speaker 14: he was at the time, and he was standing there
• 42:19
  Speaker 14: and celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk, saying how he
• 42:22
  Speaker 14: deserved it. He hated Charlie Kirk and he had it
• 42:24
  Speaker 14: coming to him.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: That from our friends at Fox.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: That took a lot of guts to call out a surgeon.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: But there's war.
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: So we came into an order earlier for the poster for.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Our vigil tonight. Yes, for somebody that it's not.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: That year, it's propaganda. I'm sorry, we don't print that here.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: What was that about Sydney?
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: So they were trying to hold a candlelight visual for
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk and they wanted posters printed at office depot
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: for that vigil, and these employees refused to print them,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: calling them propaganda. So they were very pleasant in their conversation,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: but Office Max Corporate had a huge problem with their behavior.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: FedEx ended up printing the posters for free after seeing
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: this video, and those employees have been fired.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: That video is from m at md a pere noo
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: on X. But here's the rub to Franz.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Borghart's a veteran trial lawyer joining us out at baton
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: rouge Franz, here's the deal. We may disagree with their
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: behavior and what they're doing and what they're saying. We
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: may think it's bloodthirsty and disgusting, much like we feel
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: when somebody burns the flag or has opposed to it says
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: f America, or burns a beloved figure or political figure
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: in effigy. We don't like it, but it's the First Amendment.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: So now refusing to do your job at Office Max
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: or wherever that was is a whole nother can of worms.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: But these people dancing on Charlie Kirk's grave are disgusting.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Whether you agree with.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Kirk or not doesn't matter. The guy was murdered, his
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: children don't have a father. I don't think they can
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: be prosecuted, not at all, for saying whatever they want
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: to say.
• 44:24
  Speaker 15: So here's where the rubber beats the road, Nancy. If
• 44:26
  Speaker 15: they're in a state where there's inciting violence laws, and
• 44:30
  Speaker 15: generally those can be felonies, those are not going to
• 44:33
  Speaker 15: withstand the First Amendment defense. Can't shout fire in a
• 44:36
  Speaker 15: crowded theater. You cannot try to incite violence at a memorial.
• 44:42
  Speaker 15: People who do stupid stuff at their jobs, they're going
• 44:44
  Speaker 15: to get fired. But depending on where these people are
• 44:47
  Speaker 15: acting and what they are saying, they may not be
• 44:50
  Speaker 15: able to escape some kind of arrest or criminal prosecution.
• 44:54
  Speaker 15: And look, justifiably, if you're trying to incite violence at
• 44:58
  Speaker 15: a memorial, I think you shouldn't be.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: A Hey, you're preaching to the choir.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: The investigation into the assassination of Charlie Kirk husband.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: And father goes on.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: plot to murder Kirk, please call toll free eight hundred,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: call FBI eight hundred, two two five, five, three two
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: four or eight zero one five seventy nine fourteen hundred.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: You can go to tips dot FBI dot gov. And
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: now we remember an American hero. Deputy Sheriff Andres Lahara,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Citrus County Sheriff's Office, killed in the line of duty
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: after fourteen years of service. Leaves behind a grieving wife, Michelle,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: and two sons without a father.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Vincent and Nicholas.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: American hero Deputy Sheriff On Dress Lira Nancy Grace signing
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: off goodbye friend,