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- Miriam: I don't know if you heard my computer go off. Sorry. So sorry. No, you're good. I had it on Do Not Disturb, Let me just get my senior salsa order in. I like how Miriam was doing seven other things. Just doesn't care about this. She's like, whatever. I'm like do-doo doo. Kate, would you like to have Senior Salsa? nice of you to offer. Yeah, would you? You want some dinner? What are you guys ordering? We're ordering dinner. I every Thursday night is Senior Salsa night, Leslye Do you not know this? Matt has been going there since he was in college. So for over 20 years, The man has gone to the same taco place every Thursday. And everybody knows. Kate knows. I know. My whole family knows. Sometimes my sister will go to the same taco place. on a Thursday and she's like, Guess who I saw at the taco place? And I'm like, Matt? She's like, How'd she know? because he's gone there every Thursday for over 20 years. Welcome to How Have You Not Seen This? the podcast about Crimes Against Cinema, where one of the three of us confesses that there's an iconic movie we have never seen, and the other two ask the obvious question. How have you not seen that? The format is simple: there's a confession. I haven't seen this. An interrogation. How haven't you seen this? Atonement. Now you have to watch this. And absolution. We decide whether or not we can still be friends with you. My name is Leslye name's Miriam. I'm Kate. And today we're discussing a movie that I don't have a clever intro for, because it's the movie I haven't seen. Leslye confess. What movie have you never seen? I have never seen Shawshank Redemption. I'm shaking my head. I'm shaking my head. I I just don't get it. This is a crime against moviegoers everywhere. I'm rethinking everything. Okay. And I'm deeply disappointed in you. explain yourself. Why have you never seen this movie? Well, as both of you know, very closeted in more ways than one childhood, right? So this movie came out I think in nineteen ninety four. So that would have placed me at like thirteen, fourteen. that would have meant I would have had to have watched it when I moved to Connecticut and met you guys. And I think at that point I it seemed so overhyped to me that I was like, there's no way this movie is that good. what do you think this movie is about? Okay. So I do know some stuff about what's what it's about, or what do I know about it? What do you know about it? What do you think it's about? Okay. What I think it's about is I think it's about a guy in prison. it's a period piece, but I don't know, like maybe the twenties. I don't know, whenever everyone's wearing caps, you know, like it's the cap time. A newsy cap. It's newsy cap. Newsy cap, yeah. Newsy time that could be anywhere from like eighteen ninety to, you know, last year. but yeah, I think it's a period piece. A guy goes to prison. He either didn't do it or he did it. But it was like okay that he did because, you know, we can't keep a white man down, he's the protagonist, so he probably like either the person deserved to die or he's framed. I know Morgan Freeman's in it. I know he plays a character named Red. I know that maybe. Maybe he does maybe he doesn't. I know there's a big tree and I know that there is some rain, that also made it a big turnoff for me. It was like just that image of like a guy standing in the rain. I was like, this is rain now? You're not okay with rain? Anti-rain. You're anti trees and you're anti-rain. I just realized how that sounded. I was like, there's a tree and a rain, you know. I'm not like nature in my movies. Yeah. You know the beauty of movies that came out over twenty years ago is that Most of the time you've seen the trailer. Yes. Now like again. You've seen the trailer. So you have some idea in your head. Versus now we're like movies come and go and I've literally you don't hear about it. But back in the day, kids, trailers. Yeah, it was a big thing because that was the only way you knew about it. You know, like there was not you were it wasn't being pushed to you by every post that you scroll through. You just heard about it. I heard from everybody that everybody loved it. I do know that it's based on a novel or short story by recovering cocaine addict Stephen King, who I do enjoy. I really do love that guy. So but he is hit or miss. So I don't know if this is the hit part or the miss part. But that's that's it. That's all I I that's all I got. Stephen King, like he's got horror and then he's got like life. This is a Stephen King life movie. I assumed that because of the guy standing in the rain. Yeah. I assumed that. This is little about life, not horror. Yeah, this is about life. Different vibes than like it. It's the horror of life. Miriam you know. It's the horror of life. Yeah. That's I just can't believe I have to watch this movie now. I have to say I'm not looking forward to it. I don't think I'm gonna like it. Kate do you think Leslye will like this movie? No, I don't. I'm curious to rewatch it because I haven't rewatched it in a long time. Like I feel like parts of it are not gonna age well at all. And I think you might think it's a little boring, even if it makes you cry. And I think it might be both of those things. And even if you don't like crying, yeah, I don't like I feel that you will not like it but I agree that I think it may make you tear up. But also I will say there are some moments that if you don't cry or feel something, you are dead inside. So this is gonna be a good test. Okay, gotcha. Be prepared to document those so well I will. I know you're a real human being. I will be texting you guys as I watch. We do feel like we kinda like how did we let this one slide past her, Miriam? we tried our best to educate you about pop culture. In our defense starting in nineteen ninety eight, but you did. In our defense, this is a movie that you watch with your parents. So this is not a friend movie. You're not watching this with your friends. You're watching with Parents, it's more of like a Friday night family blockbuster rental. So I feel like it's not our fault. Okay, we're going to jump to the future where I have seen Shaw Shank Redemption. we'll find out many things on many different levels. And we're back. We've all watched Shawshank Redemption. And now it's time for a very important question. Leslye, what did you think? Leslye: loved, loved it. Loved it. I could not believe I had not seen it. Miriam: Sur I'm surpr I'm surprised. Leslye: I thought it was a perfect movie. I was like, this movie is incredible. It's everything is firing on all cylinders. Like the acting, the directing is crazy. The cinematography is Roger Deacon's, The location, like I know that's a weird thing to bring up, but I was Miriam: Hmm. Leslye: like, this is so impressive. the world feels so real because of that. the script, the way the script very cleverly demarcates time you know, the bird is like a little bird and then suddenly like he walks through a door a couple scenes later and the bird is like a full grown bird and you're like, my Miriam: Yeah. Leslye: God, like years have gone by. or when he, writes all of the letters to the city so that he can get books for the library. And then he's like, it only took me, three years Miriam: Secure. Leslye: God, I loved when movies had actors in them. You know, all the other cellmates are not like people you recognize from other things. They Miriam: Yeah. Leslye: just cast guys that look like they would be in jail, like that that would be in prison. You know? In the 1940s, Miriam: In the nineteen forties. Leslye: they were like, they weren't like, who's the hot guy on, you know, Succession right now? You know, it's just like Miriam: Yeah. Leslye: just. How about a character breakdown of a guy and then cast an actor that looks like and acts like that? because the immersion, Miriam: I love what you're saying. Yeah. Leslye: is so real. I mean, of course, the two leads are very famous guys, but like, you know, Miriam: Not at the time. Leslye: well, No, both of them were Kate: yeah, I think he was. Leslye: pretty well known. I don't think they were movie stars, though. I think you're right. Like, Morgan Freeman had done Driving Miss Daisy, which was a huge movie. Miriam: True. Kate: I've never seen. Leslye: Tim you've never seen Driving Miss Daisy? Neither have I, because it's Miriam: Never seen Driving Ms. Daisy Wow. Leslye: Triple Crown no Kate: Are we in the matrix? Leslye: We're gonna have to do episodes where all three of us have not seen something. Miriam: yeah. I love what you're saying about time. the idea that this is a place where time stands still and we just see time moving through like the poster on the wall and you know, all those details. That was something I had forgot, which was great. Leslye: yeah. Kate: time thing though, cause Andy is the king of the long con. Like that man long conned every part of his life through that whole movie. could you imagine if they weren't good at depicting that? He'd be like, how do you fill in the blanks? So Leslye: Well yeah. Kate: took him six years to get a library. Leslye: there's so many great things about it. Like it's so I hate the word heartwarming. I'm totally allergic to that and it's absolutely heartwarming. I could cry to talking about the end of the movie. it's so perfect. I thought it was gonna be cheesy. That's why I had not seen it for so long. I knew it was a like he goes to prison, he didn't do it, most likely. And like then he gets out, maybe. I it sounds like he gets out and like stands in the rain, you know, like so that's gonna be dumb. and it was so far from that. the movie doesn't pull punches in places where movies now would. because it's so good and the character work is so good and the and the world building of the of the prison and prison life, it's all done in this like God, right, that's that would be part of this world. right, that's what would happen, you know. I think that's why, like definitely my parents would not have wanted us to watch that Miriam: Yeah. Leslye: movie. Is is because of the that's why, yeah, yeah. Which, you know. Kate: When that happened, I was like, that's why you would never see that. Miriam: fine. That's fine. But I do think also, I wonder if it was a choice to kind of like dispense of it quickly. Like it happens in like the first half and then Leslye: It does, yeah. Miriam: it's like we're past this. I like that this movie too is all about tax evasion. And how and how if you are a talented lawyer, the the villains will use you Leslye: yeah. Miriam: half and then Leslye: but big thing, this is Morgan Freeman's movie. Sorry, Miriam: For sure, for sure. Leslye: he's the lead character in the movie. I'm not even saying that because he's like better than Tim Robbins like his character is the character that changes. Miriam: Mm-hmm. Leslye: H his character is the one whose emotional journey we follow. Andy is kind of a cipher. he's the the conduit through which Red has his essentially spiritual experience. Like, so while Tim Robbins is very excellent in the movie, Miriam: Mm-hmm. Leslye: I was like, this is not Andy's story. This is Red's story. The entire movie doesn't work without Morgan Freeman. Period. Like that voiceover. Miriam: yeah, I wrote down best voiceover in movie history. Yeah. Leslye: I think so. Honestly. I just feel like I've seen this movie done so poorly since 1994 that I just didn't realize how good this movie was. Like, you know, they come into, you know, they the guy in the movie comes into prison and he never gets fucked with because he's the best, you know, Miriam: Right. Leslye: like and Everybody's his friend right away, or he's like, Leave me alone, it was actually like Morgan Freeman playing this very like, I don't know this guy. Like he isn't immediately like, we're best friends. It's like years go by until he's starts to warm up to him and Morgan Freeman plays that so well, like where he doesn't know the guy and then he's holding him at arm's length, and then he's like super invested in him and And then misses him when he's gone. And it just he's so good. Like the whole movie is Morgan Freeman's movie. it was incredible. I never would have watched it if it wasn't for this podcast. And it was great. Kate: think something that it does so well is like, love when people tell you stories and every single part of it should be so obvious. But for some reason it isn't. Like it just works. The same way I think so much of this, it should have been cheesy. Like the ending, it should have been so cheesy, but instead you're like, no, I'm crying because I'm so happy. Like, I don't, you know, like, Leslye: I'm crying. Yeah. Kate: I don't know how they managed to do it, but there's like a level of earnestness to it that I think is just endearing in a way and doesn't read. makes all those moments that could have seemed silly, like where he hides the rock hammer in the book. Like it should be so obvious. Like it should have Leslye: Yeah. Kate: not worked, but for some reason you're like, all right, I'm bought in, let's do this. Like I just, Leslye: Yeah. Kate: every part of it pulls together so well. I do think that something interesting about the narration though is when it changes to Brooks, because that... was like, it is, I agree, this is Morgan Freeman's movie 100%, but that little segment, when it's his narration, Miriam: that whole sequence is devastating. Kate: first of all, I knew it was coming, so I was like, already? And Miriam: Yeah. Kate: then second of all, it's like, what a powerful thing to shift the narrator like that and to make it sort of become his point of view for a moment. Miriam: hasn't been done so well. Cause they do it in Goodfellas. We switched to the Lorraine Bronco. the whole character of Brooks is so important to the story. the parallels that are then between Brooks, when he's leaves to then later Morgan Freeman leaving prison and the fact that they match it. They he's like, he's on the bus, he's in the same grocery store, like It's just so brilliantly done. I love that, Leslye: making the point too, like what I felt was they're making the point, like freedom isn't getting out. You know, Miriam: Right. Leslye: like and so again, your brain stops going, like, when are they gonna get out? You know, like you're just like, God, like do we even wanna get out? and then they started exploring that. And Miriam: Yeah. Leslye: that's what I mean by like, yes, it happens and that's Kate: And that happens like halfway through. Leslye: what I mean by like Andy's like, we gotta have hope, you know, and it's kinda like, or whatever the fuck it is he's saying, but it's Morgan Freeman who changes. Morgan Freeman is the one that's like, he gets the harmonica, but like only plays it for a second, you know. Like Morgan Freeman's the that's like, hope is a dangerous thing. Like, and he's the one by the end that's like, my God, I love the way he performs it when he finds the the letter. And he's and he keeps like looking around, like the way Morgan Freeman does that. Miriam: Yeah. yeah. Yeah. Leslye: it's so good. Miriam: Or or when he can't go to the bathroom, he's like, I've been asking for permission to piss for forty years. I can't Leslye: Yeah. Miriam: you know, I can't do it if if I'm not told I can do it. Like it's it is, it's just it's great. I love it. Leslye: It's a brilliant, it's brilliant. I get the references now. I think it absolutely lives up to the hype and its reputation. I think if I I kind of wish I'd seen it when it came out. I do think it's the type of movie that's so moving that it would have become my entire personality for for a while. Kate: accurate. Leslye: That movie's just it's just beautiful. Kate: think I thought you maybe weren't gonna like it because I thought it might be cheesy watching it again, like after all this Leslye: Yeah. Kate: time. if anything, I'm kind of like, can we start making more movies like this where I believe in humanity again? Like, I don't Leslye: Same Kate: think I realized I needed their friendship story so much after like Leslye: my god. Kate: everything that's happened in the world Leslye: I know and I felt a Kate: It was such a nice, refreshing experience. Leslye: I definitely had that, like, they just don't make movies like this anymore. Like feeling, Kate: Yeah, it does sort of feel like that, yeah. Leslye: yeah. And Rebecca too watched it with me and she's seen it before. And like Rebecca Kate: Mm-hmm. Leslye: like falls asleep during almost everything, everything we put on, like fell asleep during the Matrix, And Shawshank, she like didn't pick up her phone, didn't fall asleep. You know, I'd be like, my god, this is terrible and she'd be like, Wait, wait for it. Watch this. Watch this part. Miriam: Mm-hmm. Leslye: You know, it's like there was this like engagement from her on a level that like I am not used to from her. Kate: Okay, but also It's such a perfect runtime. Like Something I get frustrated about now Leslye: PERFECT! Kate: is when movies are like three and a half hours long. Listen, it's your prerogative to make them, but like I can't, I just need you Leslye: I know. Kate: to make this beautiful film in like under two and a half. Thank you very much. That's my plea from Leslye: Mm. Kate: me and my small bladder and small attention span. and inability to stay up past like 930 and watch anything. Please make your movie shorter. Leslye: But that reminds me, please make them shorter. And That reminds me that it is very much like Back to the Future. Miriam: We should have a Back to Leslye: that you are. Miriam: the Future counter. Leslye: My hottest take is that it is a lot like Back to the Future. in the sense, yeah, at home, pause, try to guess how it's like Back to the Future. Kate: you Leslye: That It's like Back to the Future because you are never given a piece of information you don't need. There's no superfluous scene in that movie. Every single scene is something that's either pushing the plot forward or pushing character development forward. like the Brooks part is such an excellent example. Like it could feel like, why are we suddenly following this But then as you move, Further on in like the second act, you understand how important it is for us to know that story. I want to hear what you guys felt re watching it because I have nothing to say after 18 minutes of talking, it's so good. It's really good. It's up there, it's probably in like my top twenty now. Miriam: Yeah. Kate: feel like it's good! Miriam: Yeah. Yeah. this is definitely like a a litmus test movie for me, even after rewatching it, where I'm like, how do you not love this? If you're not moved by it, we got issues. So I'm glad to hear that you liked it. But I I Kate: yet we can still be friends. So tearing up at the end, we can still be friends. Miriam: Yeah, I mean and I often will say to myself, this is this is cheesy. I do say a lot to myself, get busy living or get busy dying. I think like that line encompasses a lot. Leslye: Yeah. Miriam: still felt it watching it this time. I think, it's just so it's Leslye: That Miriam: such a good concept and it like Leslye: It's a it's a great line and I will say that was the one like him standing in the rain, but also Miriam: Yeah. Leslye: that line I forgot, I was like, I didn't know that was from this. Cause I'd Miriam: interesting. Yeah, I love Leslye: heard it before, yeah. Kate: I'm also really glad to hear that you got over your hatred of trees and rain from that time because that was kinda Miriam: Yeah, you were s really anti. Kate: close. Leslye: I mean again, I thought it was gonna be really cheesy and I was like like it's Kate: I know everything about it that should be cheesy, but it works. Leslye: like, he's standing in the rain because he's covered in feces. Like that's why he's standing. Kate: I did write down a note that was like, a half a mile doesn't seem like that far, and then I added one that was like, I guess if you're covered in shit it would be really Miriam: Yeah Kate: far. So like, he crawled a half mile Miriam: Thanks. Kate: to freedom, I was like, that doesn't seem so bad. Miriam: I guess if it's like crawl, crawl, crawl, vomit 'cause you're surrounded by shit, yeah. Yeah. Kate: I'm doesn't seem like a bad thing. It's like, wait, Covered in shit shouldn't be terrible. Leslye: Ugh, that part was Miriam: I did read that Roger Deacons hated the scene in the rain because he didn't feel like it was properly lit, but the movie looks beautiful. I feel like to your point, Leslye, that the actual location is so well done when Andy arrives and then they do the amazing helicopter shot over the entire yard it's just beautiful. I feel like that really helps sell it. Yeah. yes yeah Leslye: When he plays the opera, I thought like that's Miriam: I wanted to bring that up. Leslye: I thought that was gonna be so stupid. But it's like also because it he does it in Life is Beautiful as well. Like, and so I Miriam: Right. Leslye: was like and but when it but it's so earned, it's so fucking earned. Like, it's so good. But they all stop and they look at it, and it's like it's kind of this moment of like magical realism. Like that felt very Stephen King to me of like everyone stops to listen. Kate: Mm-hmm. Well, there's Stephen King. Leslye: the moments of Stephen King would like kind of pop out, you know, like like that was one moment. Kate: such a crazy breadth of work. Like how is this the same person that Leslye: Crazy. Kate: wrote like Cujo Miriam: Yeah. Kate: Like I just don't get it. It's so insane. Leslye: Cujo Miriam: Yeah, as we said, as we said before, this is one of his life stories. But Kate: Life stories. Miriam: a lot even though there's a lot of like monsters in it. A lot I mean, I think maybe there is something the fact that Kate: Different types of monsters. Miriam: yeah, he is so good at creating these mo human monsters and there are some horrible people in this. I mean the I have to say that I don't know his name right now, but the the actor that played the warden w was also just absolutely Kate: Mm-hmm. Miriam: excellent. You know, and and I totally Leslye: Like, aren't you happy like that guy's not a guy from like a hit TV show? Like, I I don't know. Miriam: Yeah. Leslye: It's like, like that guy will now forever be that character. Like that character now lives in my soul. I'm not thinking like, wow, Sam Rockwell did a great job at that character. You know, like sorry, I don't know. Shots fired at Sam Rockwell, but like Kate: Sorry Sam, show it to Rockwell. Leslye: But it's just, I feel like now, especially working in film and TV, there's just this real push for like, here's a person that you recognize. but you know, like you leave that movie and you're like, I'm scared of that guy. That guy was so evil. Miriam: Bob Gunton. And he he's also in yeah, good old Bob. Leslye: Yeah Bob good old Bob. Like Miriam: But I feel like he's in a lot of other stuff, right? Like Demolition Man. He was in Demolition Man. Leslye: I mean he yeah exactly. That's what I mean. Like these like they used. Kate: he's a working actor. He's in, yeah, he's in tons of stuff. Miriam: Yeah. Leslye: Yeah. It's like the it's it's truly a character actor. Like the whole movie was character actors. Like even Tim Robbins is kind of like a character actor. I mean, Miriam: Yeah. Yeah. A journey man Yeah. Leslye: yeah. Like he's not necessarily like a like he's not Kevin Costner. You Miriam: Yeah. Leslye: know, you could have cast Kevin Costner as that role and been like, but if you cast Miriam: I think they tried. Leslye: They definitely tried. But I'm telling you right now, if you'd cast Kevin Costner, if you'd cast a movie star, it would be harder to do those tougher scenes that reflected prison life. 'cause Kate: So it's like Rita Hayworth is the most famous person in that movie. Leslye: That's exactly right. Miriam: Also, like Kate: Which is brilliant, Leslye: Okay. Kate: and the only woman. Miriam: his Leslye: And the only and the only woman. That's true, there are women in the movie. Miriam: There's his dead wife and Rita Hayworth Kate: Yeah, Leslye: Yeah. neither of them speak, but that's okay. They're still in the movie. Miriam: the denim in this movie, let's take a moment. mean, I just I wanted to shout it out. There's a lot of denim jackets, good jeans, denim shirts, you know, way to make it look good. And I also want to shout his cell at the end, you know, it's like it's just so there were so many great details. in his little like cell set and Andy Dufresne's where you know he has like the Albert Einstein picture. I never noticed that. And he has like all the rocks Leslye: yeah. Miriam: and he's been whittling. One was a camel, by the way, I never noticed that before. But it just it just looked good. I mean I think I think I do sometimes feel like the thing that we miss the most about movies made in the 90s is just the set like the set design is so brilliant. Leslye: Yeah. Miriam: And it's so considered. it kind of also shows that he had this elite status because he was doing everybody's taxes and they really let him, live at a Leslye: That Miriam: at a higher level. So many good details. Kate: One thing that we neglected to point out is that for clarification it is THE Shawshank Redemption, not just Shawshank Redemption. And if I had one note, Miriam: D. Kate: you could lose the the, I think. Get the start good. Miriam: You can do it for that. Kate: You can lose it. It's THE Shawshank Redemption. Leslye: Wait, is it is it Shawshank or Kate: No, it's THE Shawshank Redemption. Miriam: Most of the time I want Leslye: Are we sure? Miriam: I want them to lose the the. The the to me you gotta earn the the. You can lose it. I I agree. I completely Kate: You can lose it! Miriam: agree. Also one great Leslye: All right. Miriam: line he says something like I knew I was in the path of the tornado, I didn't expect the storm to last so long. I think that is like the juxtaposition between like Red and Andy's character is that I think Red could live there his whole life and he's institutionalized, he's not sure he wants to leave. But yeah, Andy talked long con. He he decides like at the very beginning, I will get out of this place. And there's like Leslye: Yeah. Miriam: Something so amazing about that. So great Leslye: Yeah. Miriam: movie. You've passed my test, Leslye. Kate: wait, I wrote down in my notes, Leslye, a question you texted me during this movie that Miriam: Ha ha Kate: I think you should answer in this forum, which is, is Freeman in love with Robbins? Leslye: did I text that to you? Kate: Yeah, you did. At the beginning you were like, is he in love with them? I was like, but also maybe. Miriam: Ha ha ha. Leslye: I don't bet okay, all right, okay. I would say that this movie is not as homo erotic as I thought it was gonna be. Miriam: As you were hoping it would be. Kate: This was like in the first like 10 minutes. I was like, wildly off, but we should get clarification. Leslye: Yes, yeah. I was like I was like, okay, this is about them fucking each other. Yeah. No. This is the how the Kate: I think I said something like, never considered that angle before. Miriam: I know, that's really about it. Leslye: my god, I can't believe I texted that to you. That's so funny. yes, it was less it was less home erotic than I thought it was gonna be. Kate: or Leslye: yeah. The other one that I keep thinking about is when he does his last appeal interview and Miriam: yeah. Leslye: he says, like, I wish I could go back to that, you know, 25 year old kid Miriam: Yeah, to the young to the young kid. Leslye: and and talk to him and and he's like, but he's Miriam: Yeah. Leslye: gone. and it was again Could have been so cheesy. And Morgan Freeman just like I I just think about I've been thinking about that scene a lot. and the line where he says something to the effect of like, they sentence you to life and that's what they take. Miriam: Yeah. Leslye: I also like that line. Miriam: what what do we think? Because I know that the original ending, because I Kate, you kind of touched on this, like it wasn't it was supposed to, I think, just be him in the bus and then they added in the he gets to the beach and, and they meet. And then I do also like, again, helicopter shot out and you just see them kind of Leslye: So good. Miriam: slightly like hugging. I was like hugging myself because I was like, I loved it. Leslye: Another thing that I really appreciated Miriam: So good. Leslye: about the last scene was that Tim Robbins was wearing his shirt in a way I have never seen a human wear a shirt before, which is that he was a button down, like some sort of like linen button down. And he had all of the buttons unbuttoned except for the last one, like the one at the bottom. That one was buttoned. And I was like, this is real wild. Yeah. Real wild. Miriam: this is great. love the movie, we're still friends. Leslye liked it. Kate: I'm gonna stop it. Leslye: Yes. only hope you guys can forgive me for not watching it for this long. Miriam: forgive you. It w it was a great rewatch. Still love it. Leslye: I would watch it again for sure. Like it deserves the hype for sure. Miriam: I would watch it again. Also Kate: said, but this movie was great. Rebecca didn't look at her phone either. The last time we both did that was Heated Rivalry. So just for comparison. Leslye: Ha ha ha ha. Kate: Shawshank Redemption just as good as Heated Rivalry. Yeah. Miriam: So Shawshank Redemption, as entertaining as yeah rivalry. Yeah. Leslye: Yeah. Miriam: Agreed. Agreed. Kate: That's the hard-hitting information that people need to know. Miriam: No, it's it's good for a reason. 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