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Normally Podcast: Government Shutdown Fallout, Obamacare’s Failures, Trump’s Middle East Plan & a UK Culture Clash · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on Normally the show with
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  Speaker 1: normalis it takes for reviews gets weird.
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  Speaker 2: I Ammerica thinks, and I'm Carol Markowitz, and we are
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  Speaker 2: in a government shutdown, Mary Catherine.
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  Speaker 3: Can you feel the fear in the streets.
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  Speaker 1: We are indeed in a government shutdown. Look, people don't
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  Speaker 1: really care that much about them anymore. Yeah, because it
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  Speaker 1: happens pretty often, and it usually gets repaired pretty quickly,
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  Speaker 1: and it can cause inconvenience for people.
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  Speaker 4: But the many, like.
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  Speaker 1: Actually problematic political things are usually sort of sequestered from
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  Speaker 1: the shutdown, so that that stuff goes out, like social Security.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's going to notice or remember or
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  Speaker 1: care by twenty twenty six that this happened. They will remember, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: in Virginia during this governor's race. I do think that
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  Speaker 1: is a is a possible political cost.
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  Speaker 2: Our friend Sonny Wright tweeted the government is shut down,
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  Speaker 2: except they'll continue to collect tax and continue to send
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  Speaker 2: out welfare, and most federal employees will continue to work,
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  Speaker 2: and all government functions considered essential will continue uninterrupted, and all.
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  Speaker 3: Bureaucrats will get back pay.
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  Speaker 2: We've sent five social media interns home and closed the
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  Speaker 2: bathrooms at some national parks. Is what I'm getting at,
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  Speaker 2: which is, yeah, pretty much what's going on here?
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  Speaker 4: Well, and here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Even at this point, the many journalists have had to
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  Speaker 1: admit that, like, Republicans gave Democrats what they always ask for, yep,
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  Speaker 1: which is called a clean continuing resolution, a clean CR.
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  Speaker 1: That means that for a brief period of time, you
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  Speaker 1: extend the current level of funding for the government without
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  Speaker 1: any partisan Christmas tree of the bill. So the House
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  Speaker 1: passes that, it goes to the Senate. The Senate is
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  Speaker 1: welcome to pass a clean CR and there won't be
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  Speaker 1: a shutdown, right, But the Democrats in the Senate refused
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  Speaker 1: to do so, except for a couple who they did
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  Speaker 1: lose on that vote, who went the Republican way and
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  Speaker 1: voted for the funding bill. And Republicans in the House,
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  Speaker 1: i mean Democrats in the House were making this big.
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  Speaker 4: Fuss like where are Republicans They've adjourned. It's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: because they did their job.
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  Speaker 1: Republicans in the House did their job and passed it
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  Speaker 1: over to the Senate, and the Senate chose not to
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  Speaker 1: The Democrats there chose not to do that, so they
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  Speaker 1: did shut down. The problem for Democrats is that they
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  Speaker 1: are negotiating and doing battle over a shutdown, which they
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  Speaker 1: don't want because they love government to operate in right
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  Speaker 1: all the ways and even in ways it doesn't operate, and.
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  Speaker 4: Just pay it for that anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they're negotiating with people who don't care.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's tough.
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  Speaker 2: The Washington Post editorial board has a shutdown column today
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  Speaker 2: and they say left wing Democrats, like the Freedom Caucus
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  Speaker 2: before them, enter the shutdown in a position of weakness.
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  Speaker 2: President Donald Trump and his Budget director Russell Vote now
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  Speaker 2: have extraordinary authority to choose which agencies to close, what's
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  Speaker 2: bending to prioritize, and even which government workers to lay off.
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  Speaker 3: As Trump warned.
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  Speaker 5: On Tuesday, we can do things during the shutdown.
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  Speaker 3: That are irreversible.
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  Speaker 4: Whoopsie, you don't think RUSS has a plan for this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: RUSS has a plan for this.
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  Speaker 1: Russ Bisha has been thinking about this for a decade, yep.
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  Speaker 1: And the fact is, yes, they can make changes. They
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  Speaker 1: can fire people instead of furlowing them. They can get
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  Speaker 1: rid of bureaucrats that they don't want. They could later
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  Speaker 1: replace those bureaucrats with their bureaucrats, which is a real
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  Speaker 1: weakness of Republicans from the past is that the federal
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  Speaker 1: government is staffed with largely left leaning bureaucrats, so this
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  Speaker 1: is like not a great plan.
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  Speaker 4: The reason that they went forward with.
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  Speaker 1: The shutdown, and again I don't think it's going to
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  Speaker 1: last super long because they already lost some Democrats in
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  Speaker 1: that first vote. The reason they did it is because
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  Speaker 1: when Schumer past a continuing resolution in the spring, he
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  Speaker 1: got it from the left base, and he's afraid that
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  Speaker 1: he's going to get taken out in a primary if
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't fight, fight, fight hard enough.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely on Schumer's mind. Matt Whitlock of Ten
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  Speaker 2: Minute Drill, who has guest hosted on normally in the past,
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  Speaker 2: had a really great summary of what is happening and
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  Speaker 2: how crazy the Democrats have gotten.
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  Speaker 3: Let's roll that clip.
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  Speaker 6: Democrats did the interesting strategy of laying out the fact
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  Speaker 6: that they would accept blame for this because their base
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  Speaker 6: was itching for a fight with President Trump, so they
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  Speaker 6: were supportive of running into a government shutdown. But what
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  Speaker 6: we've seen since then, in the last two weeks is
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  Speaker 6: Democrat leaders getting cold feet. The facts here are this
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  Speaker 6: is a clean continuing resolution. It follows on spending plans
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  Speaker 6: that Democrats had previously voted for thirteen times with nothing
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  Speaker 6: new added to it. But a part of Democrats' strategy
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  Speaker 6: and trying to reframe this and try and potentially blame Republicans,
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  Speaker 6: has been to bring in other issues, for example, healthcare
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  Speaker 6: subsidies set to expire at the end of the year.
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  Speaker 6: Republicans have said we can negotiate those ahead of the
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  Speaker 6: end of the year, but Democrats adding them into this
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  Speaker 6: debate right now is just an effort to try and
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  Speaker 6: save face and reframe this debate. The bottom line that
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  Speaker 6: we all understand here is the fact that Democrats have
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  Speaker 6: followed their base as they've led them to their lowest
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  Speaker 6: approval rating in history. But the other most important dynamic
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  Speaker 6: to understand here is that as Democrats have painted themselves
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  Speaker 6: into this corner, their rhetoric has made it more difficult
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  Speaker 6: for their leadership to find any kind of exit strategy.
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  Speaker 7: Here's Chris Murphy, we have no moral obligation to pay
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  Speaker 7: the bills for democracy's destructions.
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  Speaker 6: So as you hear that kind of insane rhetoric from
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  Speaker 6: Chris Murphy, remember he has voted for this budget thirteen times.
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  Speaker 6: So when he says it funds the destruction of our
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  Speaker 6: democracy according to his own rules, he has voted to
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  Speaker 6: destroy democracy thirteen times. Again, absurd, cartoonish nonsense, but it
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  Speaker 6: highlights the fact the Democrats have painted themselves into a
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  Speaker 6: very tough corner that any sort of solution they get
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  Speaker 6: to get out of this, they're going to get attacked
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  Speaker 6: by their own base, because people like Chris Murphy and
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  Speaker 6: AOC have said that they're going to fund the destruction
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  Speaker 6: of our democracy.
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  Speaker 1: A word on this healthcare fight, because unlike most people
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  Speaker 1: who cover the healthcare fights and covered Obamacare, I have
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  Speaker 1: been subject to Obamacare. I've had to be in the marketplace,
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  Speaker 1: and I predicted everything that would happen to me in
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  Speaker 1: the marketplace, including losing my plan four different times.
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  Speaker 4: And that my premiums would go up, and you.
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  Speaker 1: Could have predicted my out of pocket costs would go
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  Speaker 1: up and all that stuff would happen, and that we
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  Speaker 1: would you enter this death spiral in the.
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  Speaker 4: Marketplaces that would make everything worse for everyone. And in fact,
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  Speaker 4: that's what happened.
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  Speaker 1: And the way that Democrats have decided to solve the
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  Speaker 1: fact that Obamacare did exactly what its critics predicted it
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  Speaker 1: would do, is that they have thrown subsidies at the marketplace. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the subsidies, as in any other area where government subsidizes,
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  Speaker 1: makes every one's stuff more expensive and just tries to
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  Speaker 1: hide the fact that it's more expensive with all your money.
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  Speaker 1: So during COVID the Biden administration, people were like, let's
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  Speaker 1: make more subsidies for Obamacare so that we can cover
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  Speaker 1: this up in perpetuity.
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  Speaker 4: But what they did was say, oh, it's just temporary,
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  Speaker 4: just temperary. Yeah, don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna give forty billion a year to insurance companies.
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  Speaker 1: But it's totally temporary because we're an emergency, right, they
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  Speaker 1: set it to expire. It's supposed to expire. Now they
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  Speaker 1: don't want it to expire because they love government spending
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  Speaker 1: and they don't want people to see what their subsidies
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  Speaker 1: were hiding, which is like that Obamacare didn't work and
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  Speaker 1: everyone's premiums are.
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  Speaker 4: Going up, and so they want to extend this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But it is crap.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, part of the way they extended
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  Speaker 1: it in the past is to get rid of citizenship,
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  Speaker 1: like checking requirements to get rid of the requirements for
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  Speaker 1: checking your income, so you end up with phantom rollies,
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  Speaker 1: fraudulent enrollies, double enrollies, illegal enrollies in all these things
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  Speaker 1: so that they can go, look how many people were.
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  Speaker 2: Covering, right, and how that drives up the price for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: It's just such an extension of every failure of Obamacare,
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  Speaker 1: and they want to do it on your dime, and
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  Speaker 1: they want to act like it's solving a problem, when
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  Speaker 1: in fact it is making the problem worse.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And by the way, also one more thing, when
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  Speaker 1: they say, oh, this thing about illegal immigrants is not real,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, check all the medicaid press releases from
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  Speaker 1: states like New York and states like Oregon that say
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  Speaker 1: come on down and get your free insurance illegal immigrants.
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  Speaker 1: Check the tape on all the Democrats saying yes, we would.
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  Speaker 4: Like to provide that.
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  Speaker 5: That's right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, we'd like to provide that.
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  Speaker 1: And then follow the money and how they got rid
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  Speaker 1: of verification requirements.
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  Speaker 3: That's absolutely right.
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  Speaker 2: And it just they expect American people not to care
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  Speaker 2: that this is what they want to fund.
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  Speaker 3: And American people do care.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the Republicans don't often find themselves in
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  Speaker 2: the popular position where the media is concerned. But they're
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  Speaker 2: in that position right now because the Democrats have gotten
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  Speaker 2: so fringy, and I.
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  Speaker 5: Don't know how does this end.
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  Speaker 3: Does it end with the Democrats bending well?
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  Speaker 1: As Matt notes, their rhetoric makes it really hard for
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  Speaker 1: me to do so. But I think, look, there's already
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  Speaker 1: a couple of Democrats who are like, what are we
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  Speaker 1: doing here? And I think it's more painful for them
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  Speaker 1: for the government to be shut down than it is
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  Speaker 1: for Republicans who have kind of like learned.
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  Speaker 4: To roll through these things.
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  Speaker 1: And look, now it will have the effect of possibly
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  Speaker 1: changing the Virginia governor's race because Virginia is very responsive
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  Speaker 1: to federal action, and if a bunch of people are fired,
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  Speaker 1: that will give fuel to Alison Abbi el Spamberger, who
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  Speaker 1: is the Democrat running over wins some seers.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that's a risk.
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  Speaker 1: When this race had been getting very tight, I saw
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  Speaker 1: one point past three points. That's a risk, And in
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen that did change the race in Virginia when
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  Speaker 1: the Ted Cruz Obamacare shut down happened back then. So
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  Speaker 1: we'll see, But I just don't know how long they're
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  Speaker 1: going to sit around and have their precious government closed.
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  Speaker 3: It could be tough for them.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be right back on normally where we will talk
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's twenty point.
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  Speaker 3: Plan for peace in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 2: And then we'll get to how you shouldn't marry your
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  Speaker 2: first cousin.
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  Speaker 4: Why not?
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  Speaker 1: But first, it was nearly two years ago that terrorists
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  Speaker 1: murdered more than twelve hundred inno cent Israelis and took
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty hostages.
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  Speaker 4: Today it seems as if the.
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  Speaker 1: Cries of the dead and dying have been drowned out
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  Speaker 1: by shouts of anti Semitic hatred and the most brutal
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  Speaker 1: attack on the Jewish people since the Holocaust has been
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  Speaker 1: forgotten in some places. Yet is the world looks away?
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  Speaker 1: A light shines in the darkness. It's a movement of
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  Speaker 1: love and support for the people of Israel called Flags
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  Speaker 1: of Fellowship, and it's organized by the International Fellowship of
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  Speaker 1: Christians and Jews. And October fifth, right around the corner
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  Speaker 1: across America will prayerfully plant an Israeli flag and honor
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  Speaker 1: and solidarity with the victims of October seventh, twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 1: And they're grieving families. I know you'll want to be
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  Speaker 1: a part of this. To get more information about how
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  Speaker 1: you can join the Flags of Fellowship movement, visit the
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  Speaker 1: Fellowship online at IFCJ dot org.
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  Speaker 4: That's IFCJ dot org. We'll have more coming up on normally.
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  Speaker 2: Right after this, we are back on normally to talk
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's twenty point plan on Israel. And when the
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  Speaker 2: plan first hit, I was a little bit on edge
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  Speaker 2: about it because Qatar doesn't really seem like a friendly
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  Speaker 2: force to either the United States or to Israel, and
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  Speaker 2: yet they're super involved in this plan making. But I
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  Speaker 2: am feeling better about it. I read through the twenty points,
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  Speaker 2: I think that Israel. I look, I'm pro Israel to me,
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  Speaker 2: I read this through a pro Israel lens. But I
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  Speaker 2: also want the Palestinians to have a sane and normal future,
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  Speaker 2: which seems constantly out of reach because of their supporters.
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  Speaker 2: And right now, the quote unquote supporters of the Palestinians
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  Speaker 2: in the West are telling them to reject this peace plan,
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  Speaker 2: and I find that to just be galling.
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  Speaker 4: Especially tell yeah, really once.
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  Speaker 2: Who are like it's a genocide, don't accept the ceasefire
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  Speaker 2: like it really you know, kind of could only be
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  Speaker 2: one of the other.
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  Speaker 5: Tom Cotton tweeted President Trump's peace.
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  Speaker 2: Plan will end the war in Gaza. Arab states are
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  Speaker 2: in Israel. Is in Dems like Bernie Sanders and Chris
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  Speaker 2: van Holland have spent years vilifying Israel and demanding an
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  Speaker 2: end of the war, but now they're silent. They should
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  Speaker 2: back this peace plan, and I agree with.
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  Speaker 1: That they should, and they should encourage their friends on
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  Speaker 1: the progressive left to encourage their friends in Gaza.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe to do that, to do that. Yeah, because this
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  Speaker 4: is uh.
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  Speaker 1: I think this is an illustration of how unconventional thinking
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  Speaker 1: on the Middle East can change the game. This is
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  Speaker 1: one of the things I really like about Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 1: even when I was more critical of Donald Trump. The
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  Speaker 1: Abraham Accords were a result of breaking from this stupid
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  Speaker 1: conventional wisdom that the entire foreign policy diplomatic brigade had
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  Speaker 1: had for all these years. And he was like, maybe
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  Speaker 1: let's just do it differently.
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  Speaker 5: Right, Maybe let's not do any of this anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe let's move the embassy and it won't cause World
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  Speaker 1: War three.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what happened.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that Israel, out of necessity, has been
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  Speaker 1: incredibly strong and smart in many many ways during this war,
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  Speaker 1: including going after Hamas folks in Gutter, which changes the
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  Speaker 1: calculation on what Gutter needs to do on the world stage.
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  Speaker 1: They're not just sitting over there all pristine anymore. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: We're going to put your harmasc guys and your terrorists
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  Speaker 1: and high rises and give them room service. Not impervious anymore.
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  Speaker 1: How about you come along and try to make this
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  Speaker 1: work right?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Dan Seignior, who is the author of Startup Nation and
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  Speaker 2: he's the host of the podcast Call Me Back. I
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  Speaker 2: consider him a very sober voice on everything that's going
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  Speaker 2: on over there. He says he's hopeful and says this
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  Speaker 2: deal is different from the others.
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  Speaker 5: Let's roll that clip.
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  Speaker 7: Many of you have asked, why won't this just fall
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  Speaker 7: into the same pattern we've seen in the past where
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  Speaker 7: everyone agrees to it, including Hamas, or Hamas agrees to
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  Speaker 7: in principle, and then Hamas tries to negotiate or over
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  Speaker 7: negotiate and put forward unreasonable demands and then the whole
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  Speaker 7: thing falls apart. That could happen, it's certainly been the pattern.
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  Speaker 7: Why I think this time is different one the Trump factor.
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  Speaker 7: President Trump is leaning into this in a way that
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  Speaker 7: he's not leaned into any deal in the past. He's
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  Speaker 7: putting his name on it. He's putting his name and
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  Speaker 7: his office in an official role in the implementation of
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  Speaker 7: the deal and the implementation of the day After plan,
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  Speaker 7: and that sends a big message. It raises the stakes.
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  Speaker 7: It shows that he's spending political capital big time in
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  Speaker 7: a region where he has a lot of political capital
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  Speaker 7: and a lot of relationships. The Arab capitals and Turkey
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  Speaker 7: have to live with Trump for the next three and
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  Speaker 7: a half years. This is not a president who, in
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  Speaker 7: the last gasps of his administration while he's walking out
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  Speaker 7: the door, is trying to secure a legacy through peace processing.
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  Speaker 7: This is a president who these capitals throughout the Middle
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  Speaker 7: East are going to have to live with for the
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  Speaker 7: next three plus years, which we may explain why you
• 15:29
  Speaker 7: have Trump, Natanya, who basically the entirety of the air world,
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  Speaker 7: plus Turkey and most of Europe all lined up together
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  Speaker 7: on one side. Who would have thought and they're all
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  Speaker 7: pointing at Hamas saying do the deal.
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  Speaker 2: There's no other way to look at it as other
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  Speaker 2: than Trump has done something pretty miraculous here, and I
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  Speaker 2: hope that Hamas takes this deal. I hope that Israel
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  Speaker 2: succeeds in getting their people back.
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  Speaker 3: Look, you know, we all want.
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  Speaker 2: Peace, and the idea that this war should end is
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  Speaker 2: one that you know, all.
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  Speaker 3: Of us feel deeply.
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  Speaker 2: I hope that the Palestinians can throw from us out
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  Speaker 2: and start again with a new leadership.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm hopeful, other times less. This deal gives them
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  Speaker 3: a chance, and I hope that they take it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope so too.
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  Speaker 1: It gives Israel, if it worked as planned, hostages back.
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  Speaker 1: It gives them buffer zones that would make them feel
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  Speaker 1: comfortable as the day after plans are implemented in Gaza.
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  Speaker 1: It gives the Arab States a stake in making that work.
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  Speaker 1: And you'll notice there was no daylight on stage between
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  Speaker 1: net and Yahoo and Trump.
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  Speaker 3: I did notice that.
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  Speaker 1: In the past Trump has sort of had some words
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  Speaker 1: about like, well, things don't look great in Gaza, and
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  Speaker 1: how can we work on the food situation? You know,
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  Speaker 1: things like that where he got sort of gassed up
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  Speaker 1: by that little Siah about yeah, about the food. And
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  Speaker 1: in this case he was like, nah, you got to
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  Speaker 1: take my deal or else they get to do whatever
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  Speaker 1: they want.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I appreciate that about Trump, I really do.
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  Speaker 3: I think he sees this clearly.
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  Speaker 2: And look, there's nobody that goes to Israel and walks
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  Speaker 2: away being like these people don't want peace with the Palestinians.
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  Speaker 2: Every Israeli I know, left and right, wants peace with
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: the Palestinians.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: And as we've noted many times before, perhaps the people
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: most invested in proactive about seeking peace were killed. Yeven
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: those folks were out there like flying kites and sending
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: sweet messages and making music about peace yep on October sixth,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: and they wanted peace on October sixth, and then October seventh.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: You and I were at the Kubwit scene where that happened.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: We saw they had their homes were still preserved with
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: all the peaceful messages, and they.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Were all murdered. So yeah, I.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Think we're in a better change place than these past deals.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: And by the way, as you pointed out the beginning
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: of the conversation, but we should reiterate, mass has been
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: the one that has rejected all my deals.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Even though by.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: The way, they are getting Hamas terrorists out of Israeli
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: jails in exchange, they keep rejecting them, not Israel.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And the concern right now is that Hamas
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: is going to reject it. It's Israel has already accepted it.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: All the Arab states are for it. Everybody's just waiting
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: to hear what Hamas is going to do. You know,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: it's hard to think like a terrorist group. But the
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: reason that people don't think that they're going to accept
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: it is because the hostages are their only leverage at
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: this point, and if you give back the hostages, they
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: don't have any So.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: It's it's really tough.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: It's it really becomes a question of do they want
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: to see this war continue? And are the Palestinians going
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: to rise up against Tramas and say no more?
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: And they have tried at times, by the way, and
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: we will get video occasionally of Palestinian civilians being mowed
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: down by Tamas for daring to speak out. By the way,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: those atrocities don't get a lot of coverage now, they
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: don't know where we are in press. We don't spend
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of time amping up the gosen street of
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: people who would like to push back on Hamas.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: And maybe we should do more of that. Guys that'd
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: be good.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be right back with more on normally and
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: kissing cousins. We are back on normally and the UK
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: is really losing it.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know what is going on.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Over there, but their National Health Service a few days
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: ago published a report saying that first cousin marriage are
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: actually not that big a deal, and you know, overlooking
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: previous thinking on the subject. They wrote should the UK
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: government ban first cousin marriage?
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: And they said that there were.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: Some benefits to first cousin marriage, including stronger extended family
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: support systems and economic advantages because you share grandparents, that's
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: why you have a closer and stronger extended family support system.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: Doesn't make it not super gross.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: But also what about the fact that and nobody knows
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: this better than people who have royalty and Britain's right
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: at the top of that list the increased risk of
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: inherited diseases.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: There's just a lot of problems with marrying your cousin.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: I say, don't do it.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Look, I'm from Alabama and so I'm
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: allowed to say this. I was born there, guys. Yeah,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: even Alabama is like xnay on the US and K
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: marrying it's not and like, look, this is a this
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: is an indication, they said, now they've they've removed this
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: post right because of outage. It was published by accidents,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: publish my mistake. Nonetheless, like we stand by some of
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: these facts about first cousin marriage. This is an indication
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: that culturally the UK is succumbing to incoming immigration standards yep,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: one of which includes a lot more cousin marriage.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Which is a thing from Alabama, which you're together, not
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: from Alabama.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: This is the thing you're not allowed to say, which
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: is why the UK is saying and its official capacity
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: cousin marriage good, which strikes me as like in the
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: cycle of like the things not happening and if it's happening,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: it's not a big deal.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Actually it's happening and it's good.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right right, we are at that stage with the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: cousin marying.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's super weird. The Tories, that's the Conservative party.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: They accused Starmer of taking the need to damaging and
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: oppressive cultural practices.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: That's really what it is, right, It's the bending.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: Your culture to the incoming culture.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: And again, look, you know I made the joke about royalty,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: but you know, yes, we know that in royalty there
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: has been a lot of cousin marriage and so it's
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: not that Britain didn't have some of this before, but
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: they are adjusting to a cultural shift in their own country.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Sometimes I think that.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: They should fight back a little harder against allowing this
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: kind of thing and not.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Just bend over.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: And I know that there's a movement for that in England.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Tommy Robinson very famously is leading these marches, but just
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: the NHS involvement, and this is the ickiest part for me.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: It's like it's not enough to just be like we're
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: going to look the other way because look, it's legal
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: in certain states as well.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that this this is out of nowhere.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: It's the valorizing up yeah, yeah, and this is this
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: is the thing that's happened with.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Several scandals in the UK is that authorities look the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: other way. In this case, it's less like overtly hurtful
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: than other like fresh violence. They look the other way.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: They sweep it under the rug. They don't admit that
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: it's happening, because in order to admit that it's happening,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: you have to say that this cultural standard is different
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: than the UK cultural standard and it's bad. Yeah, that's
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: the thing you have to say. And they are not
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: willing to say that because the woke mindset and the
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: left mindset in Europe and in the UK is all
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: these things are equal.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Right, we can't. We're certainly not superior.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even though like, yeah, in some cases the cultural
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: standard is better here guys, right.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Labor officials have argued that the band insensitively targets certain
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: cultures like British Pakistanis where in family.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Marriages are more common.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Don't marry your cousin no matter what nationality or race,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: you are no cousin marriage.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just we have to maintain our ability to discern things, guys.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Let's do that.
• 24:26
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• 24:30
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• 24:33
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• 24:36
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