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Reiki, Reflexology & Holistic Healing: Julie Virgoe on Mind, Body & Spirit 🔮 · The Psychic Explorer

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Hello everyone! Welcome to this episode of The
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Psychic Explorer. Welcome along you lovely, lovely
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people. It's another guest episode today and
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in the hot seat I have my lovely friend who I
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trust and adore, Julie Virgoe. Julie is a Reiki
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master and a holistic therapy practitioner. We
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go to the same circle and yes, I know what you're
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going to say because I thought it myself. rinsing
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everyone in my face -to -face circle and honestly
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when I first had the idea of inviting people
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onto this podcast I really thought I was gonna
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have to cast my net really wide to try and find
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people who would have interesting points of view
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or different points of view or different ways
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of doing things and different modes of practice
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And actually that's not the case at all. I'm
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so lucky to be in regular contact with people
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on a weekly basis who have got such amazing stories
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who do different things from one another but
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do it for the same reason, that same joy of love
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and wanting to give something back, healing and
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development. I suppose I could if I wanted ask
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people with thousands of followers and people
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who are perceived to be experts in their field
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but actually I don't want to do that. That's
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not what this podcast is all about. This podcast
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is about getting to know the real stories behind
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people. We've had Nicola, my circle leader, who's
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had 30 years experience. We've had Shelly, who
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is a phenomenal tarot card reader. We've had
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Sharla with her amazing crystals. All stuff that,
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you know, introducing me to concepts and ideas
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that I were not aware of, but they are in my
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circle. Like these people are here. So I would
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be a complete fool not to invite them on and
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of course they are very graciously agreed and
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said yes. And the same can be said for Julie,
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lovely Julie Virgoe. If you are finding yourself
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a little bit on the stress side today, this is
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a great episode to listen to because at the end
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of this conversation, I found myself almost slipping
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into a meditative state. I found Julie's voice
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so calming. And for me, even in Circle Winners,
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she has this mother energy. And I feel this comes
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through so much during our conversation. Julie's
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entrance into this world is very different to
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my own. Her story is very different to mine.
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Her story is born from a situation of people
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telling her to stop, people putting her down.
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of feeling small, of being made to feel small.
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But Julie has found her passion and my goodness
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me does this come through. I have to admit I
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wasn't too sure what Reiki was, what holistic
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therapies are. So I start off this conversation
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by asking some basic questions just to cover
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my own basis or cover my own back rather. I know,
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I hope you appreciate the way I've done that
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because I don't want to presume you know everything.
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But by the end of the conversation, what she
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was saying to me made total sense and it's something
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I'm going to take away and think about. Before
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we jump into this conversation, just a note on
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the audio. Julie lives in the middle of deepest,
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darkest Norfolk and her internet connection is
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almost dial up. I think it took about an hour
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and a half for her audio to upload whereas normally
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it just takes a couple of seconds. So there are
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some parts of her audio which are slightly distorted
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and it's a slight echo on it. You may also hear
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some clunking in the background of Julie's audio
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and that is bailey uh julius st bernard dog um
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i think it had some sort of chew toy or it was
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licking something in the background you can just
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hear the saw clunking in some part so if you're
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driving it's not your car if you're walking it's
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not your bones it's just bailey the dog um in
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the background as julie was talking to me guys
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i really hope you enjoy this episode so kick
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back relax and let Julie's voice just wash over
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you as we talk about holistic therapies. Julie
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Virgoe is a developing medium and fully qualified
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Yusui and Karuna Reiki master. Practicing since
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2008, Julie runs her business Karma Moments here
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in East Anglia. and has a passion for promoting
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positive mental and physical health. Julie believes
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that holistic therapies can work alongside traditional
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medicine to enhance the healing process and age
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recovery. Focusing on reducing stress in our
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lives, Julie says, we often look after other
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people but we forget to look after ourselves,
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so why not treat ourselves to a couple of hours
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of pampering once a month? For me, I know Julie
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as Purple Julie, as whenever I see her, she is
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usually dressed head to toe in purple, quite
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literally. Purple hair down to purple toenails.
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And today is no exception. She is wearing a beautiful
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purple top. So welcome to the Psychic Explorer,
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Julie. How are you? I'm fine, thank you. And
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thank you for inviting me. You are more than
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welcome. Thank you so much for coming onto the
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podcast. It's so lovely to be able to talk to
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you in more detail about what you do and I'm
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excited to learn more about Reiki and holistic
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therapies. Before we go there though, I know
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you as a psychic medium, so I'm going to ask
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the usual question I normally ask on these episodes.
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How did you begin exploring Julie? Well as a
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child I did always sense and feel things and
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I had visitations I'd say. I could see people
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that nobody else could see. Family wasn't very
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happy about that so as quite a young age I was
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told not to talk about it and I stopped. As I
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got older I had a few problems and started visiting
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my local spiritualist centre. and felt that I
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was home. I started developing with a lovely
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gentleman. There was a few of us that decided
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we were going to go to each other's homes and
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start developing ourselves. So we opened our
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own circle. It was just absolutely lovely being
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with people that understood and didn't make me
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feel silly. You said that it wasn't really accepted
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in your family. So my next question here is,
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how did friends and family react to your path?
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One would imagine that if you've had that background
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of, I'm getting visitations from people, I'm
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aware of other people's presence, and they want
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to shut that down. I'd imagine that is quite
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a lonely situation to be in. So if you don't
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want to, that's fine. But would you mind talking
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a bit more about that and how that made you feel?
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Well, like I said, as a child I felt like I'd
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been shut down so I didn't see or sense as much
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because I wouldn't talk about it. The more you
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acknowledge, the more you talk about it, the
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easier it flows. And as I got older and I started
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doing more again, my mum did know but it was,
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we don't talk about it. Whereas friends, they...
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when they found out they were interested, they
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asked questions and quite a few of them went
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to develop themselves which was lovely because
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then I had even more friends that I could talk
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to and we could practice on each other. So from
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what you're saying you relied on your friendship
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more as you grew into your spirituality than
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you did your family? Yes, absolutely. Both my
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brothers were just not interested, they thought
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it was weird and just They got on with their
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own lives and it's easier just not to speak about
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it. But like I said, a lot of friends were interested.
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So even when you decided to go down this path,
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they still weren't interested in your passion?
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No, unfortunately my mum's religion wouldn't
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allow her to and just for a quiet life, it was
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easier just to keep those two parts of my life
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separate. I find that with your situation, your
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upbringing, your dynamics, you're the first person
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I've spoken to in one of these conversations
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who have had this history and what I would probably
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say is trauma. If somebody else was going through
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that at the moment, what advice could you give
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them? What would you say to someone who is realising
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they are maybe coming into an awakening or are
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experiencing things but their family are not
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understanding or tolerant of that belief or that
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knowing. To be quite honest it's the same as
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when my children were growing up. They would
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talk about they could see things and quite often
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in the bedroom you'd hear them on the baby monitors
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and they'd be talking to people and I just said
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to them it's absolutely fine keep talking but
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please tell them to go away while you go to sleep.
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And I kept their communications open and both
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my children are very good mediums because they
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never shut down and they can talk to spirit,
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both of them do. My son, he finds it more difficult
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because although he can talk to spirit, a lot
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of his friends are not the same way inclined,
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so he doesn't talk about it unless he absolutely
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has to. But again, the same as me, if anybody
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brings it up, we're open channels, we talk about
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it, we encourage people to research and look
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into and find other people who are at the same
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type. So you'd find your own little crew. Because
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there is always, no matter what your age group
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is, there's always people of your age group who
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have an interest in this or have an inkling of
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what's going on. So yes, okay, if family's not
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quite so easy going and are quite judgmental,
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that's okay. You just tell them that's your beliefs,
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that's fine, I still love you, but I need to
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explore this. And that's what you do. You find
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other people you can explore this spiritual side
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with. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
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You can have both. You find your tribe. Yeah.
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And it is important to look for people. In today's
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day and age with Facebook and internet, it's
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so much easier to find your tribe and little
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groups. Really lovely advice. Thank you, Julie.
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And thank you for opening up a bit more about
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that. I know that it's going to help someone
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out there. So thank you. Let's go back to why
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we are talking. We are talking today because
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you are a Reiki master. You run a business that
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deals with Reiki and holistic therapies. I feel
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that people either throw these terms out, such
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as holistic medicine and Reiki, or say them,
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and not necessarily know what they mean. I know
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I certainly don't. I don't really know what they're
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talking about. What actually are holistic therapies
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such as Reiki? Holistic therapies are therapies
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which work on your mind, body and soul. It's
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not just Western medicine which you go to a doctor,
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they give you a pill and it treats the symptoms.
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This will actually help treat the whole person.
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It's to be used alongside Western medicine. and
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not instead of, but it does help treat the whole
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person. What does that look like? Does that someone
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coming to you and sitting down and you running
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your hands over them? Is it crystal therapy?
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Is it diet and that sort of thing? Can you explain
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a little bit more about what that might look
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like? Well for me the first thing I do is I talk
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to people so they'll call me up and say they
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want a treatment and I find out what treatment
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would possibly be best for them. So if they've
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got muscle problems or aches and pains then I
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offer a form of massage whether it's a Swedish
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massage or hot stones or other things. If they
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have water retention in their legs and arms which
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I've had previously, I use a manual lymphatic
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drainage which helps reduce water. That sounds
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painful. What is that? Manual lymphatic drainage
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is a very light touch massage. Your water retention
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is normally lymph liquid and that just goes slightly
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below the skin level. So where a normal massage
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you can go quite deep and a sports massage goes
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really deep A lymphatic drainage is very very
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light touch and it just helps all the lymph to
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go to your lymph nodes which then gets dispersed
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and excluded out of your body. But obviously
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if you've got swollen legs and ankles then it's
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very painful to walk on, you don't get comfortable
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and over a period of time you can actually reduce
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that quite a lot. If somebody is, say they feel
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out of balance but they don't know why, I would
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go through a process where I do a body scan.
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So I will use my aura and knowledge to work through
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their body to find out if there's any blockages
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or a shark was not working properly or find an
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area that out of balance. And then I would either
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use Reiki or crystal healing or sometimes a combination
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of both. Again with holistic therapies it doesn't
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have to be one or the other. So I can tailor
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make a treatment for you. I can do a Swedish
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massage with Reiki. I can do a hot stone massage
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and use crystals. Basically you have to listen
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to the person when they first come to you. I
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love doing all sorts of treatments. One of my
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favorites is reflexology. My other half won't
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mind me saying, but when I was learning to do
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it, obviously I practiced on them quite a lot.
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And one particular night, Saturday evening, seven
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o 'clock at night, I said, come on, let me have
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a practice. Okay. I got halfway through doing
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a treatment on one foot and told them to put
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their shoes on, put their coat on. and I was
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taking them to the doctor. We went to a walking
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centre because I'd picked up that they'd got
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a kidney infection that they hadn't told me about
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and it was bad enough for her to have to have
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very strong antibiotics and the threat of a hospital
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visit if it did clear up. So for me, I love working
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on things. finding solutions and just helping.
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So you were able to pick up on an actual medical
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condition just by holding their feet in your
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hands, tapping into their their aura, tapping
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into them and knowing just what that feels like.
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Yes, yeah I mean reflexology it is pressure points,
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reflex points and each point on the top foot
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and bottom of the foot represents a part of the
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human body and just by going in certain spots
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I knew that she was in trouble and I do quite
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often use that when I'm doing a Swedish massage
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because I do the arms and front of the legs then
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I do the feet and quite often I can pick up on
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the feet how bad their shoulders are or their
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lower back is. because of the feel and the pressure
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points on them. So then I know when they roll
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over and I start to work on their back, I actually
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have a bit of a head start of where I need to
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put more pressure. That's amazing. That is so
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amazing. It's funny because when you think about
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the history of medicine, I know modern medicine
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is just amazing, but there is something to be
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said. This goes back millennia in our history
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and I think in today's society, I don't even
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think I know in today's society, it is seen as
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this hocus -pocus woo -woo concept which is not
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to be trusted but there's so much to it because
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this gets repeated throughout culture after culture
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after culture doesn't it? It is and all of modern
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medicine started off as woo -woo, it started
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off with your aspirin from barks of tree and
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cinnamon which was an antiseptic. The difference
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with western medicine, it's now standardised.
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So where you didn't know whether you were given
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enough or you were given too much, you now have
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standardised prescription. The only thing is
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it is now more man -made, which isn't always
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so good for you and you do have more side effects
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than you would if you had more natural. But again,
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it has to be done within the confines of Western
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medicine as well because unless you really study
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it and really understand where it all comes from,
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it can be a dangerous thing. So you're certainly
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not, and this is just to cover you as a disclaimer,
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you are not claiming you are a medical professional
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and you wouldn't advise someone to go get a reflexology
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appointment when they might need something much
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more serious. Absolutely not. As an holistic
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therapist, I am not a diagnostician. I cannot
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diagnose that you've got something wrong with
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you. What I can do is advise you, look, this
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isn't quite right. I suggest you go and see a
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doctor. I mean, I do have clients that live alone
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and obviously they have moles. So if I see a
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mole that not its usual shape or color, I will
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say to them, do you realize this is starting
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to change? I think you need to go and see the
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doctor. And not because I want to scare anybody,
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because I don't know if it's okay, nine times
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out of 10, it is okay. But it's that you just
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have to be very careful. There are so many different
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treatments that I can do. I mean, I do aromatherapy.
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Now again, you do need to know what essential
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oils you can use on pregnant women, on children,
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cancer related, the dosage. You do have to be
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very mindful, have the full training and really
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research to make sure that you continue to work
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within proper guidelines. How were you drawn
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to this? As a mum, When the littens fall over,
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the first thing you do is pick them up, give
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them a cuddle, wipe it, tell them everything's
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fine. When my children were younger, I could
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actually feel more. So I could feel when they
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were coming down with something, even before
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they did. And I didn't understand how I knew
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or why I knew. As a result of living in... It
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wasn't a very nice place. I actually had an ear
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infection that the doctors and the hospitals
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actually gave up on and said, can't do nothing
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for you. You're going to have to live with it.
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And it was a vicious circle. I'd have one cream
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to cure one thing. That would do something else.
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And then I'd have to have cream to cure something
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else. And at one point, the sores were inside
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my ears and all the way around the outside of
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my ears. and I hid it by putting my hair down
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and things like that. And I tried Chinese herbalist
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medicine, didn't work. I tried homeopathic medicine,
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for me that didn't work either. And one of these
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days that I'd actually gone to my spiritualist
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centre, a gentleman sat next to me and said to
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me, you need to come and have healing afterwards
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because I know your ears are hurting. He didn't
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know me from Adam. He couldn't see that my ears
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were hurting and me, yes, I'll try anything.
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So I had a 20 -minute session with him and then
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it was, well, every way, come back and I'll do
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a 20 -minute session with you. May I interrupt
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you just very quickly? Yeah. Do you mind sharing
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what he did? Because when I went to my circles
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in the spiritual church, they said healing is
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available. I have no idea what they're talking
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about. What is that? He was a National Federation
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healer. So you would sit on a normal dining room
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chair. He would put his hands either side my
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head and he would generate a healing energy from
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his hands that went through from the top of my
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head, working his way down my body on the outside,
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not actually physically touching me. but down
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the chakras and down the edges until he got to
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my feet. And then he would release all the negative
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energies into the earth. And that was basically
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it. And within three, four weeks, my ears started
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to clear up. He actually then became my circle
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leader, my very first one, and he started to
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teach me the National Federation healing. didn't
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fully carry that on because it was just too involved
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for me at the time and at that time I was leaving
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a bad relationship and everything else so I stopped
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doing it. Then when I moved I started going to
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a different spiritual centre and I was talking
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to a lady and she was talking to me about Reiki
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and for me that clicked. I understood that more.
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Because I could feel the energies, I could move
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energies. And I found a Reiki master to teach
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me. I went to this person's house and there was
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about 20 of us for the first one. With one of
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the exercises we did, where some people cried
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because of the energies were releasing and he
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just felt it was cathartic, I sat and laughed.
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I could not stop laughing. I was hysterical.
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And they had to leave me on the floor for five
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minutes before I could pull myself together enough
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to carry on. And after that, I just kept on with
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that because for me, it felt right. It felt natural.
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Learning about it and using it and doing it felt
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like all my answers. had come at once because
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I understood why I'd be feeling this, why my
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energies were different to some other people
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and how I could help people just by talking to
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them or just by holding their hand. Amazing.
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I said in one of the previous episodes that when
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I was at school, I went to a CV school for one
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year and there was a story that people would
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walk into this one particular church and just
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burst into laughter or burst into tears, and
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there'd be no logical reason for it. The theology
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behind it was that they had been touched by God,
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so therefore, you know, they were divine. But
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it sounds like, similar, it just sounds like
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there's this energy that people are more open
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to, and it will have different effects in different
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ways. Absolutely, yeah. I mean, when I give Reiki
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healing, One of the things I'm very mindful to
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say is I'm a channel for the Reiki healing. I'm
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not a Reiki healer. I draw in the energies and
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I release the energies and it's the Reiki energy
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that helps your own body to heal and I'm very
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mindful to say that. So you don't feel that you
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are physically doing anything apart from being
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a conduit from for source or for whatever that
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energy might be? Absolutely, I am the conduit.
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Reiki energy, all energy healing for me, whether
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you call it Reiki healing or spiritual healing,
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it all comes from the same energy. It's just
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a name and I just draw it in and send it back
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out again to whoever needs it. ever it needs
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to go because one of the things about Reiki is
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it goes to where it needs to go at the time it
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needs to go to so somebody can say to me they've
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been having headaches but I know the actual energy
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is going somewhere else in the body and it's
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like having displaced pain and it's the same
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when I do a massage sister and people say to
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me oh my arm's really hurting and I sort of scan
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and then I'll go down there back and I'll go
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that's where it hurts though isn't it and it's
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oh yeah so that's where it's hurting not where
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you think it is and that's where I'll work. I
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mean Reiki or energy healing is very clever it
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knows where it needs to go even if you don't
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and it also works even if you don't believe it.
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A case study as such, my father -in -law was
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very much, oh, that's woo -woo, don't believe
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anything like that. If I can't see it, can't
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feel it, then it's not going to work. And he
28:19
had been quite a religious man in his youth.
28:23
When he got later in life, he had COPD and all
28:26
sorts of other problems and heart problems. And
28:29
I'd say to him, just let me put my hands on your
28:31
shoulders for a little while. And he'd say, no,
28:34
that's woo -woo. But if you want to waste your
28:36
time, go ahead. Well, near the end of his life,
28:39
he was actually asking me for reiki hili because
28:43
he could actually feel the warmth and the love
28:47
and it was making him feel better. Wow, I love
28:55
those type of stories, those stories that...
28:58
uh allow other people to change their perceptions
29:01
especially on this type of work but just in general
29:05
people changing their mind i feel it's so healing
29:08
it's so wonderful i love i just love it it gives
29:11
me goosebumps and talking of changing perceptions
29:14
i would love to hear from you if you have had
29:16
any experiences that have changed your perception
29:18
i'd love to hear your stories so please Do get
29:23
in contact with me, it's the .psychic .explorer,
29:27
Facebook, Instagram, and threads. You know the
29:30
drill by now. I'd love to put an episode together
29:32
which has your stories, that's made up of experiences
29:36
that you, my dear, dear listeners have had. Let's
29:45
get back to the lovely Julie Virgoe as she talks
29:48
to me a bit more about holistic therapies in
29:52
this wonderful heartfelt conversation. So Julie,
29:58
how do you use these therapies in your psychic
30:02
and mediumship work? Well, when sitting in circle
30:06
and we're doing one -to -one activities, I do
30:11
like to... send my energies out to the person
30:15
that I'm sitting opposite to and feeling what
30:19
they're feeling. So a lot of the time for me
30:23
doing the psychic work, I actually get the emotions,
30:27
I get the physical feelings. I find myself rubbing
30:31
my hands together when they're anxious. I start
30:35
rubbing my palms when people need to calm down.
30:40
I get quite excited and breathless, and it's
30:43
not because that's how I'm feeling, that's how
30:46
the person opposite me is feeling, or the friend
30:50
that we've brought closer to do communication
30:54
with is feeling. And it's taken me a long time
30:58
to realise that it's not me. It is other people's
31:04
energies and that feeling. And I do try to use
31:08
it a lot. because it does help with communication
31:12
and everything else. Do you feel it brings you
31:16
closer to that person? Because I've witnessed
31:17
this. When you have read for me, you said to
31:21
me, oh, I'm swaying. And you start swaying from
31:23
side to side. And you say to me that I know I'm
31:25
connected because I'm swaying. And you do sit
31:28
there. And you sit there in this stance that
31:31
is commanding but loving at the same time. You
31:34
can almost feel your energy being pushed. not
31:37
thrown out from yourself to the person in front
31:40
of you. Yeah, I mean it's really important that
31:45
you have empathy with the person who's sitting
31:48
opposite with you because they could be going
31:52
through something that's really hard and difficult
31:56
for them and you need to be able to talk to them
32:00
with compassion and empathy and help them understand
32:05
or find solutions. And for me, having to learn
32:09
that I am getting these emotions from elsewhere,
32:16
and it's not just me, has been a big learning
32:19
curve. Because at the start of my journey, it
32:23
was very much, I'm not getting anything. It was
32:27
quite subtle because I wasn't registering it.
32:31
For me, I was just feeling anxious because I
32:34
so wanted to do something for the person in front
32:37
of me that it never occurred to me that this
32:40
wasn't my feelings, it was somebody else's feelings.
32:44
Understanding that has made it clearer for me
32:48
how I interact with spirit and the person sitting
32:52
opposite me. And it is lovely, it really is.
32:56
You bring so much healing to other people every
32:59
day. through your work, through your therapies,
33:04
how do these therapies affect you in your everyday
33:08
life? As someone who gives them, how do they
33:10
affect you on a day -to -day basis? I find it
33:14
a great privilege to be able to do what I do
33:19
because when I'm bringing in Reiki for other
33:22
people, I'm actually getting the Reiki at the
33:25
same time. So I'm being energised and healed
33:30
and calmed or whatever it is I need as well at
33:34
the time because the reiki goes through me before
33:37
it goes to the other person. I also find it a
33:41
huge privilege to be able to help somebody who
33:45
is having a hard time, whether it's physically,
33:49
emotionally or mentally, just being able to listen
33:52
to somebody. Quite a few of my clients, they
33:56
want to have a chat with me before they even
33:57
start. and it could be that they're lonely, they
34:01
live on their own, and this is the only contact
34:04
they have that week with a human being. It's
34:08
not always physical. I do have a few people that
34:12
come to me that do need their muscles massaged
34:15
because they're in pain, but a lot of the time
34:18
it's the emotional support that they really want.
34:21
They just want someone to listen. They don't
34:24
always want somebody to give them answers or
34:27
solutions, but they do want someone to listen
34:31
to what they have to say. And for me, that is
34:34
one of the best gifts I can give. As you're saying
34:39
that, it's dawning on me that I do that in my
34:43
day job with gardening. I go to little old ladies'
34:45
houses and half the time they just talk to me.
34:49
Hairdressers, you go and get your hair cut. and
34:52
you just talk to the hairdressers. It is such
34:55
a human thing to just stop and listen and allow
35:00
people to be heard, isn't it? Absolutely. And
35:06
it might be that they're frightened to actually
35:09
go for a proper talking therapy or counselling
35:14
because... I know it seems a lot easier these
35:19
days and people talk about going to counselling
35:21
a lot more frequently, but sometimes it is just
35:25
that little, I've had a really bad day at work
35:28
today and they just need to offload it. And you
35:33
can feel their energies rising as soon as they've
35:37
offloaded it. How have your beliefs changed over
35:41
time through your exploration of the psychic
35:44
world? For myself, obviously not being able to
35:49
explore it as a child and not being able to understand
35:53
was really difficult. Not being able to talk
35:57
to my mum when I did really start to research
36:01
more and go into more development was a little
36:04
bit difficult. But for me, I've been through,
36:08
like most people, a lot of really hard, difficult
36:11
times in my life. And having the spiritual side
36:16
has really helped me understand that it's not
36:22
personal. We all go through it. Everybody has
36:27
hard times. But I have the luckiest time, I think,
36:33
because I know I'm not on my own. I know if I
36:37
want to talk to my loved ones who have gone,
36:39
I can do that. If I want to have a hug, I can
36:45
do that. If I'm feeling really low and I need
36:50
a little bit of guidance, I just have to ask
36:54
for it. And in some way, shape or form, I get
36:58
the answers that I need. Not always what I want,
37:02
but what I need. And it has really helped me.
37:06
So the evolution from a child who knew they were
37:09
feeling things, but couldn't get the validation.
37:12
to where you are now, where you almost sounds
37:16
like your ability to be able to control, that's
37:21
wrong, not control, to go to now where you're
37:24
an adult and you feel completely comfortable
37:27
in your abilities, that you are able to bring
37:30
forward and bring through the people who bring
37:33
you comfort. That's a brilliant evolution. That's
37:35
really lovely. Yeah, and I do think it is amazing.
37:41
I mean, sitting in circle now, I do realise that
37:45
I feel and notice and not always see, but I know
37:52
more than I thought I did. And I do know that
37:56
they're there. I can feel when they're there.
37:59
Whereas before it was, oh, well, I can smell
38:01
something, but I'm not sure. Have I imagined
38:04
it? Now I have that certainty that I'm not on
38:08
my own. and they're always there when I need
38:12
them. Yeah. Okay, final question. So on the flip
38:17
side, if you've identified how you got stronger
38:21
and the positives that has brought, what has
38:25
been your biggest struggle since you began exploring?
38:31
The struggle was finding out that you don't have
38:37
to see. Not everybody who is working as a psychic
38:43
or a medium can see spirit. Not everybody hears
38:49
spirit. Not everybody has that knowing. Everybody
38:55
has different abilities. Everybody is at different
38:59
stages. For me, I always thought that if you
39:03
heard spirit, you'd hear them in their voice.
39:06
For me, it's not that. I hear them in my voice.
39:08
And that was really hard to understand because
39:12
it was, well, no, that's just my voice. So I'm
39:14
imagining that that's not spirit. Whereas now
39:17
I know, OK, yes, that is them. I don't often
39:21
see spirit now, but sometimes I get a picture
39:25
in my brain that I know is there, even though
39:28
it's not physical. And when you first start out,
39:31
that's really difficult to comprehend. And you
39:35
just think, well, if I can't see them in front
39:37
of me like I would anybody that's in the house
39:40
with me, then they're not there. And they are
39:44
there. It's a bit of a headfuck, isn't it? It
39:48
is. When I talked years ago to a friend, she
39:53
really got interested because I was talking about
39:55
it and she started to develop herself in her
39:58
own way. And I said to her, I said, it's all
40:02
right for you. You see spirit. And she just went
40:05
to me, but you don't have to, you know. And knowing
40:10
is one of the harder ones to understand. Said,
40:15
you don't need to see them. And it took me a
40:19
good 15 years before I accepted that, that I
40:23
don't have to see them, but I still know that
40:26
they're there. Julie, thank you so much for this
40:30
evening. You have taught me so much and it's
40:33
been so lovely to be able to bask in your, not
40:37
only your knowledge but also your enthusiasm.
40:40
You clearly love your work and your passion about
40:44
healing, your passion about feeling people in
40:49
a way that is so intimate but also so spiritual.
40:53
So thank you so much for sharing that with me.
40:57
And the listeners, I know that you've certainly
41:02
made this concept of holistic healing and reiki
41:06
less woo woo for me anyway, and certainly lifted
41:10
the veil of it and made it less foggy. So thank
41:12
you so much. If people wanted to reach out to
41:16
you, I know you're in East Anglia, so people
41:19
listen to this all over the world and stuff,
41:21
but if people were in the area, how would they
41:24
reach out to you? Or do you do things online?
41:26
My business is Karma Moments and I have a Facebook
41:30
page for that or it's karmamoments08 at hotmail
41:35
.co .uk. Any questions that I can answer, I will
41:38
try my best. Wonderful. I'll pop all that in
41:41
the show notes for listeners if they want to
41:43
reach out to you. Thank you again. It's been
41:46
really beautiful. Thank you so much, Julie. Thank
41:49
you, Matt. It's been a pleasure talking to you.
42:05
Julie Virgoe. Bravo, Julie. Really, really enjoyed
42:09
that conversation. Even with the occasional clangs
42:12
and bangs from the internet and from Bailey.
42:15
But honestly, before that conversation, I really
42:17
had no idea about Reiki. I had heard it battered
42:21
about in circles that I go to. I had heard people
42:24
talk about it on podcasts and on YouTube. Didn't
42:27
really know what they were talking about. The
42:29
same goes for holistic therapies, really didn't
42:32
know what that was about. And I really feel that
42:35
after that conversation with Julie, I've got
42:37
a much better sense of it now. You also heard
42:41
me have, I don't know, like a real time epiphany
42:45
about something that Julie was saying. And that
42:48
was that where Julie was talking about people
42:52
being heard, about her clients just wanting to
42:56
be heard. And that really chime with me, that
42:58
really made me realize the importance of connection
43:02
and communication in our everyday life. You know,
43:05
I mean, you will know that I'm a gardener in
43:08
my day to day job. And honestly, like a good
43:12
third of my day is taken up with just chatting
43:16
to clients. These people who have me come in
43:20
to their gardens once a week, once a month, once
43:23
every two weeks, whatever it might be. A lot
43:26
of them just want to talk. And that connection,
43:30
that need to be heard is so human, is so important.
43:36
So guys, if you take nothing else from this episode,
43:40
take the idea of connection, of communication
43:43
with one another. We all come across people in
43:46
our day -to -day lives, and it's so easy to get
43:50
into our own world. But actually, some people
43:54
might just need that hello how are you tell me
43:59
about your day some people just need to be heard
44:03
and we all need to be heard at some point but
44:06
we all have that power we all have that choice
44:09
to make that decision do we stop and ask or do
44:16
we quietly move on and ignore And on that rather
44:21
philosophical note, ladies and gentlemen, I will
44:24
leave it there. Thank you so much for listening
44:28
to today's episode. Episode 16! My god, we're
44:34
certainly stomping on through the year, aren't
44:37
we? Thank you to Julie. I really appreciate Julie
44:40
for taking the time to... sit down with me on
44:45
that evening to record that episode. I know that
44:48
Judy was nervous about doing this and I think
44:51
she did really, really well. So again, just a
44:55
big thank you and cheers to Judy for agreeing
44:58
to do this. Folks, next time I speak with you
45:01
will be two weeks time, episode 17. No idea what
45:04
it's going to be about. But again, if you want
45:06
to reach out, if you have any inspiration or
45:09
what you want me to talk about or if you have
45:11
any... spooky or spiritual experiences that you
45:16
would like to share for the Winter Solstice episode,
45:20
then please get in touch. I am, dare I say, desperate
45:24
to hear from you. Send me a voice note on Instagram
45:28
direct messaging. I would love to hear from you.
45:32
The .psychic .explorer Facebook, Instagram and
45:36
threads. Take care of yourselves lovely lovely
45:40
people and more importantly Actually know that
45:44
that's not fair not more important, but equally
45:46
should we say that equally? take care of one
45:50
another and Just keep your ears out have a listen
45:54
lots of love take care guys. Bye