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Steve Price | 6 December · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live.
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Speaker 2: This is Steve Price. Welcome to Friday Night. So I'm
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Speaker 2: Steve Price. Now, as Sky has been reporting since early
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Speaker 2: this morning, the nightmare that has been unfolding since October
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Speaker 2: seven last year hit a new, disgusting, dangerous and sadly
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Speaker 2: predictable low. We'll have full details on that as the
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Speaker 2: program progresses tonight. In the center of Melbourne's Jewish enclave,
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Speaker 2: the Adash Synagogue, was attacked by two masked men as
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism went to a new low. The fire bombing
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Speaker 2: dominates the program tonight. Coming up. First up, we'll be
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Speaker 2: joined by Julian Lesser, the Federal Liberal MP member for
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Speaker 2: Barrera and someone who has been a relentless pursuer on
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Speaker 2: the rise of antiseminism on Sky and in other places
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Speaker 2: since last October. Victoria's Jewish community are disgusted and outraged,
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Speaker 2: and the attack brought out both sides of politics to
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Speaker 2: condemn what has happened here. Victorian Shadow Treasurer Brad Rosewell
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Speaker 2: will join me. He'll be on the line from London tonight,
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Speaker 2: and by Friday Panel Joe Hildelbrand A Amanda Rose have
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Speaker 2: their say on what's been a shocking day. Now, first
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Speaker 2: as I said, this attack on a Jewish place of
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Speaker 2: worship on a Friday, early in the dark before dawn
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Speaker 2: takes the attacks on Jewish Australians to a shocking new level.
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Speaker 2: Spreading accelerant in a synagogue where Jews were about to
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Speaker 2: start morning prayers, causing major damage and only just missing
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Speaker 2: destroying rare ancient scrolls worth millions of dollars. Predictably and rightly,
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Speaker 2: both sides of politics were quick to condemn what's happened
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Speaker 2: in a proudly Jewish neighborhood of Melbourne. Today. Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi and Opposition leader Peter Dutton also reacted to
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Speaker 2: what really amounts to, in my mind, urban terrorism. And
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Speaker 2: I don't think the Prime Minister all the way on
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Speaker 2: the other side of Australia in wa did himself any
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Speaker 2: favors with this muddled response, and he's now going to
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Speaker 2: be under extreme pressure to call this out as an
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Speaker 2: act of terrorism. This was his response late today.
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Speaker 1: Well, any Semitism is something that has been around for
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Speaker 1: a long period of time.
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Speaker 2: Of course, does that strike you as strong leadership? Doesn't
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Speaker 2: for me. No one should play politics of course with this.
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Speaker 2: It's too serious here was Peter Dutton. He spoke earlier
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Speaker 2: in the day.
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Speaker 3: It's absolutely boring to see any place of worship attacked.
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Speaker 3: I want to pretend that this wasn't expected, or that
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Speaker 3: it couldn't be predicted, but I can't do that to
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Speaker 3: the Australian people. We have seen the rise of anti
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Speaker 3: Semitism in our community since October seventh of last year.
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Speaker 2: Other politicians of Victorian Premier Dessenter Alan and Opposition leader
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Speaker 2: John Pisuto, they both went to the scene of what
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Speaker 2: happened there and they spoke this afternoon as well.
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Speaker 4: We all stand here today to condemn in the strongest
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Speaker 4: possible terms, the strongest possible terms, this hateful, violent attack
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Speaker 4: on a beautiful, peaceful place of worship.
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Speaker 2: We can't have in Australia, let alone Victoria, let alone Melbourne,
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Speaker 2: this kind of violence, and it's totally unacceptable. It's an abomination.
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Speaker 2: Lots of words there from our politicians, but there is
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Speaker 2: a problem here that has led to this disgraceful act.
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Speaker 2: Let's start with the Victorian government. They have been weak
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Speaker 2: and condescending since October seven. They've allowed pro Palestinian marches
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Speaker 2: to take over Melbourne CBD. Ever since the seventh of
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Speaker 2: October last year, they let the universities of Melbourne, all
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Speaker 2: of them be overrun and occupied by pro Palestinian protesters.
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Speaker 2: The police response has been weak. The Jewish community has
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Speaker 2: felt abandoned and targeted, so it's taken an overt attack
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Speaker 2: on a house of religion to flush out people like
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Speaker 2: Jacinta Allen. She turned up and handed out one hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars to rebuild part of the damaged building. But
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Speaker 2: money and words won't want with this community. I can
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Speaker 2: tell you they feel let down, as Jews around Australia
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Speaker 2: feel let down by a federal government that just this
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Speaker 2: week turned its back in the UN on our ally Israel.
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Speaker 2: As we saw from this exchange at the media conference,
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Speaker 2: the Premier walked into they will not just accept her
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Speaker 2: promise of doing more.
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Speaker 5: Let's stop with the politics and let's get a short, sharp,
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Speaker 5: straight answer.
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Speaker 2: Have you lost control?
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Speaker 6: Have you lost control?
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Speaker 2: Yes or no?
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Speaker 4: I will take advice from Victoria Police. I will take
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Speaker 4: the advice from the Victoria Police and the Chief Commissioner
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Speaker 4: who advises me that in terms of acts of violence,
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Speaker 4: they have the tools and the powers to investigate and
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Speaker 4: prosecute people.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in right at the top of the program.
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Speaker 2: Liberal MP Julian Lesser Julian. Since October seven, you've been
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Speaker 2: warning about anti seminitism in the country. You've been a
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Speaker 2: strong and passionate voice. It started on the steps of
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Speaker 2: the Opera House on the ninth. We've now got a
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Speaker 2: synagogue in Melbourne, in a very highly populated Jewish area,
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Speaker 2: Fire Bond, did you ever believe that you would live
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Speaker 2: through this in your country?
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Speaker 6: This is the saddest day in the history of the
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Speaker 6: Jewish community in this country, Steve. This is a country
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Speaker 6: that has been welcoming to Jewish Australian since the time
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Speaker 6: of the first Fleet. We've never faced anything like this before,
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Speaker 6: and it is the culmination of the terrible anti Semitism
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Speaker 6: that has gone on. Anti Semitism that's been ignored. What
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Speaker 6: starts with hateful words, what starts with hateful graffiti, what
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Speaker 6: starts with intimidation on our streets ends up here. We've
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Speaker 6: seen this before in Europe. We've seen this before historically.
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Speaker 6: But to see this in Australia, which has always been
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Speaker 6: an exceptional country, a place where people regardless of their
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Speaker 6: faith can come and worship God in our own traditions
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Speaker 6: as Jews have since the very beginning to see this
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Speaker 6: is the saddest day in his through the Jewish community
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Speaker 6: in this country.
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Speaker 2: Unlabeled it urban terrorism? Am I exaggerating?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 6: I think we need to call this act for what
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Speaker 6: it is. It is an active terrorism. There are people
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Speaker 6: who have fire bomber synagogue, designed to intimidate people who
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Speaker 6: are going about their religious practices, designed to cause damage,
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Speaker 6: and indeed have caused damage. And I think that the
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Speaker 6: problem with the way in which governments, particularly the federal
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Speaker 6: government and the state government in Victoria, have been dealing
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Speaker 6: with these issues, and even the state government here in
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Speaker 6: New South Wales, is that they've been downplaying anti Semitism
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Speaker 6: from the beginning. When there's a hate crime that has
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Speaker 6: been committed and one that is designed to intimidate people,
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Speaker 6: one that is designed to destroy property and attack people
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Speaker 6: on the basis of their religion, When the crime is
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Speaker 6: designed to strike fear into the hearts of law abiding Australians,
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Speaker 6: it is an active terrorism, pure and simple, and we
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Speaker 6: must call that out as such.
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Speaker 2: No coincidence of Friday was chosen. How do you think
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Speaker 2: the community from that moss, from that synagogue tonight would
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Speaker 2: be feeling about what occurred in that building at four
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Speaker 2: point thirty this morning.
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Speaker 6: Well, I've been speaking to some of the leaders from
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Speaker 6: that community. They were very concerned about people who were
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Speaker 6: injured in those attacks. They were concerned about the damage
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Speaker 6: to the sacred books, in particular the tourist scrolls that
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Speaker 6: are still in there. And being a Friday evening, this
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Speaker 6: is a time where Jews celebrate the Sabbath for the
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Speaker 6: next twenty four hours. They were very concerned to find
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Speaker 6: a place where they could observe Schabbat and where they
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Speaker 6: can therefore rebuild their community and have services beyond that time.
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Speaker 6: They've got something for this weekend, but they are really
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Speaker 6: struggling to work out, well what comes next?
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Speaker 2: Well, what does come next? I mean, how are we
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Speaker 2: going to stop? I mean, you've been almost daily on
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Speaker 2: Sky since last year talking about the rise of anti Semitism.
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Speaker 2: I mean, my colleague Jar remarks and got very emotional
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Speaker 2: on our air this afternoon. She's feeling it. Every Jew
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Speaker 2: in Australia is feeling it. Is there a political solution here?
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Speaker 2: What can we do to turn this back? Can we
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Speaker 2: go back to where we were?
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Speaker 6: I think we can go back, Steve, and I think
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Speaker 6: we must go back to where we were. But that
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Speaker 6: starts with a few things. The first thing is to
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Speaker 6: call out anti Semitism where we see it and actually
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Speaker 6: to do something about it. To see our laws that
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Speaker 6: are on the statute books enforced, to stop seeing Jewish
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Speaker 6: people intimidated out the front of synagogues by some of
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Speaker 6: these terrible protests. To call out some of the phrases
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Speaker 6: like from the River to the Sea for what exactly
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Speaker 6: they are. To prosecute people with the full force of
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Speaker 6: the law. To ensure that where prosecutions are not working,
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Speaker 6: that we look to change the law immediately. To be
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Speaker 6: unequivocal about antisemitism and not mushed up as the government
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Speaker 6: and some of the teals have done by equating it
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Speaker 6: with Islamophobia or with LGBTI hatred, To see it as
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Speaker 6: its own standalone hatred, with its own conspiracy. And I
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Speaker 6: think the other thing that we need to do and
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Speaker 6: see is what I've been seeing in my electorate. I
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Speaker 6: don't represent very many Jews at all in my community.
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Speaker 6: My community has lots of Christians, in Hindus and Buddhists,
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Speaker 6: and as I've been going to Christmas carols and to
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Speaker 6: end of year school presentations, and as I've been shopping
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Speaker 6: across the electorate, people just stop me every day, even
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Speaker 6: this morning, and tell me to keep standing up against
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Speaker 6: the antisemitism that they are with me. I think the
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Speaker 6: vast middle of the country hates seeing this. The most
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Speaker 6: important thing that we can do is actually to change
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Speaker 6: the government of the country at the coming federal election,
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Speaker 6: because this government has been appalling, and the most appalling
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Speaker 6: thing done is ever since the seventh of October, it
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Speaker 6: has been delegitimizing the Jewish state on the international arena,
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Speaker 6: and we've only seen that a couple of days before this.
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Speaker 6: In my view, there is a direct line between the
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Speaker 6: government's position at the United Nations changing our votes and
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Speaker 6: abandoning Israel and the arsonist's fuse here. You cannot, on
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Speaker 6: the one hand, delegitimize the Jewish state and expect that
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Speaker 6: that's not going to have an effect understanding of the
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Speaker 6: Jewish people in our country and the Jewish community of
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Speaker 6: Australia and law abiding, decent Australians are thoroughly sick of it.
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Speaker 2: Is it too much of a leap to suggest that
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Speaker 2: the attitudes of the federal government, and what occurred in
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Speaker 2: the UN this week and the way that we voted
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Speaker 2: and turned our back on an ally like Israel could
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Speaker 2: give some saukor to andty Semites who take some strength
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Speaker 2: out of that and convince themselves they're in their muddled
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Speaker 2: and dreadful way, that what they're doing is the right
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Speaker 2: thing to do because they're not being condemned strongly enough
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Speaker 2: by those in charge.
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Speaker 6: I think you're right, Steve. Even before the seventh of October.
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Speaker 6: The government has been backsliding in its position in relation
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Speaker 6: to Israel for twenty years. There's been a fight for
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Speaker 6: the soul of the Labor Party, which right thinking, decent
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Speaker 6: Australians have been losing to people who want to play
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Speaker 6: domestic political games with our foreign policy. And that's what
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Speaker 6: we've been seeing as Israel, the Jewish state, the only
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Speaker 6: democracy in the Middle East, the only democracy that respects
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Speaker 6: human rights, the rights of women, the rights of LGBTI people,
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Speaker 6: religious pluralism, while that country has been abandoned by our government.
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Speaker 6: It says something to Australians that somehow Jews are not
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Speaker 6: legitimate enough to have their own state, that the Jewish
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Speaker 6: state is somehow illegitimate and that gives cover, It gives
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Speaker 6: a nudge and a wink to people who would seek
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Speaker 6: to commit dreadful acts of terrorism, dreadful acts of intimidation
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Speaker 6: against Jewish people in this country. So I think the
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Speaker 6: government's policy at the international level has had a real
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Speaker 6: effect here, and also their failures to deal with antisemitism.
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Speaker 6: I mean, Steve, as you say, I've been on Sky
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Speaker 6: almost every day for a year on these issues. I've
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Speaker 6: been calling for a judicial inquiry into antisemitism on campus.
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Speaker 6: The government couldn't even do that. They took almost a
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Speaker 6: year to bring forward legislation to prevent doxing of Jewish
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Speaker 6: creatives and artists. And there are supposedly within the ranks
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Speaker 6: of the government people who say they support Israel, people
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Speaker 6: like Mark Dreyfus and Richard Males. How can they continue
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Speaker 6: to sit in the cabinet and give cover for people
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Speaker 6: like Penny Wong and others who continue to make life
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Speaker 6: in this country difficult for Jewish Australians. Isn't it time
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Speaker 6: that those people took a point of principle and resigned
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Speaker 6: from the cabinet at the government of this country.
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Speaker 2: I think it's some of them are going to really
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Speaker 2: struggle to look in the mirror tomorrow after what happened
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Speaker 2: at four thirty this morning. I want to play what
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister said now to give him a little
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Speaker 2: bit of leeway. He was on the other side of
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Speaker 2: the country in Western Australia when he was asked to
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Speaker 2: respond to what happened today. But I think what I'm
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Speaker 2: about to play you was an inadequate and that's been
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Speaker 2: polite response from the PM.
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Speaker 1: Have a look, well, any Semitism is something that has
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Speaker 1: been around for a long period of time, of course,
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Speaker 1: but anti Semitism has been on the rise.
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Speaker 2: We call it out wherever we see it. Well, anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism hasn't been around for a long time in Australia,
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Speaker 2: isn't that the point?
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Speaker 6: Well, we've never seen anti semitism of the sort we
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Speaker 6: seved in the last year, Steve, that's the point. And
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Speaker 6: the Prime minister's been in charge for the last year
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Speaker 6: and he's been too equivocal about calling it out, and
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Speaker 6: he's been too equivocal about taking every necessary measure to
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Speaker 6: protect law abiding Australians.
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Speaker 5: Here.
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Speaker 6: Jewish people just want to get on with their lives.
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Speaker 6: They want to be able to go to their synagogues,
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Speaker 6: to send their children to school. They want to be
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Speaker 6: able to go to the Jewish Museum, they want to
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Speaker 6: be able to observe the festivals. They want to visit
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Speaker 6: their parents and grandparents in the Jewish age care facilities
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Speaker 6: and not have to think twice about their security in
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Speaker 6: doing so. No other group in this country is facing
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Speaker 6: the security challenges that the Jewish community is facing at
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Speaker 6: this time. Those security challenges have only grown since the
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Speaker 6: seventh of October. And the great tragedy of what we've
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Speaker 6: seen the government doing in abandoning the Jewish community is
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Speaker 6: we know that the hate that starts with Jews never
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Speaker 6: ends with Jews, and so what we're seeing today could
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Speaker 6: easily be applied to Christians, to Hindus, to muslim to Buddhists,
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Speaker 6: and to people of no faith. We need in this
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Speaker 6: country steve to be a country where everyone is entitled
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Speaker 6: to the protection of the law if they work hard
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Speaker 6: and they abide by the law. What we have seen
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Speaker 6: in the last twelve months is everyone else is entitled
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Speaker 6: to the protection of law of the law except the
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Speaker 6: Jewish community, and the Jewish community has been warning the
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Speaker 6: government about this and this government has been sitting on
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Speaker 6: their hands. This government has lost the moral authority to
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Speaker 6: continue to govern. It saddens me as a federal member
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Speaker 6: of Parliament that I am saying this. I want our community,
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Speaker 6: the Jewish community, to have bipartisan support. I want Israel
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Speaker 6: to have the bipartisan support that it had all through
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Speaker 6: the Hawk and Keyding years, even under Julia Gillard. But
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Speaker 6: this government has abandoned the Jewish community, It has abandoned
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Speaker 6: the Jewish state. And I think other Australians need to
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Speaker 6: ask themselves who else are they willing to sell out?
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Speaker 2: Jillian great words? Just finally, what would your message be
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Speaker 2: to Jewish Australians that might be watching us on sky tonight?
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Speaker 6: Tonight is shob us. I want to encourage Jewish Australians
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Speaker 6: to stand tall, to light the candles and bring the
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Speaker 6: light and hope into the world. That we do so
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Speaker 6: well to know that fundamentally Australia remains the good country
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Speaker 6: that has always been, while we lack the leadership that
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Speaker 6: we deserve in this country today, that there are millions
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Speaker 6: of Australians who are standing with us, millions of Australians
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Speaker 6: that I interact with in my electorate, people like like
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Speaker 6: the people like the Australians I interact with in my electorate,
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Speaker 6: who find this a shameful episode in our history, and
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Speaker 6: who want an Australia where all of us are free
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Speaker 6: to live, where all of us are free to practice
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Speaker 6: and worship our God in the manner in which we do,
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Speaker 6: in a peaceful way, and to contribute to a country
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Speaker 6: that we love and have served right since the very beginning.
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Speaker 2: Julie Lesa, thank you very much for your time tonight.
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Speaker 6: Thanks Steve.
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll continue with that story. We'll go back to
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Speaker 2: the synagogue fire that took place today early today in Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk to Jamie Heim's Jewish leader, who'll be here
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Speaker 2: on the desk with me shortly. I want to talk
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Speaker 2: about government debt now. Now we've seen during the week,
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Speaker 2: obviously the federal government under great pressure, a lot of
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Speaker 2: suggestions that the states and the federal government spending too
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Speaker 2: much money. Victoria's debt is just completely out of control,
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Speaker 2: something like twenty six twenty seven million dollars a day
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Speaker 2: just to pay the interest. Well, the state opposition in
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Speaker 2: Victoria's already looking for ways to retire that debt if
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Speaker 2: they win the next election. Of course they're going to
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Speaker 2: have to work out how to pay it off. Now
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Speaker 2: we're a long way away from the next election. The
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Speaker 2: Victoria's Shadow Treasurer, Brad Rosewell, has traveled to London and
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Speaker 2: joins me now from the UK Treasurer. Thanks for Shadow Treasurer,
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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time. What are you hearing about the
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Speaker 2: state of Victoria as you go around talking in London
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Speaker 2: to people who might be able to help us get
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Speaker 2: out of debt?
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Speaker 7: Good Steve, always great to chat with you. Look, I'm
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Speaker 7: hearing that South Australia are doing a lot of work
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Speaker 7: in these parts, perhaps more so than Victoria, and have
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Speaker 7: a large rappetite than Victoria to get deals done and
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Speaker 7: to invite investment and welcome investment into that state. And
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Speaker 7: that's deeply concerning. Look, you're right, we are two years
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Speaker 7: from Victorian election, Steve. But if I'm spending the next
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Speaker 7: two years figuring out how I'm going to solve it
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Speaker 7: without trying to solve it now, we're going to get
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Speaker 7: to the election in a couple of years time and
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Speaker 7: we're going to be in an even greater mess than
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Speaker 7: we are at the minutes.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to waste a second. I don't want
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Speaker 2: to waste a day.
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Speaker 7: One of the critiques of the opposition in Victoria's that
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Speaker 7: all we do is poor rebucket if you know what,
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Speaker 7: on the government and we don't actually come up with
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Speaker 7: solutions ourselves. Well, here we are in London this week
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Speaker 7: speaking to Australian companies, speaking to British companies, speaking to
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Speaker 7: the European companies about the potential of a coalition government
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Speaker 7: after November twenty twenty six in Victoria and the fact
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Speaker 7: that Victoria will truly be open for business again once
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Speaker 7: we kick labor out in November twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 2: Well, we saw the Business Council of Australia report, didn't
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Speaker 2: we Brad this week that said Victoria is not a
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Speaker 2: place where people want to go and do business. I
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Speaker 2: mean you have to turn that around. I mean we're
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Speaker 2: going to end up with a population in Melbourne somewhere
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Speaker 2: around eight million people. You've got to have actually people
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Speaker 2: jobs for people to work at, and we've got to
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Speaker 2: be more productive. We can't have everybody working for the
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Speaker 2: state government on state government payments.
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Speaker 7: Well, indeed, Steve and as we've spoken about before, the
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Speaker 7: State of Victoria's economy after ten years of labor and
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Speaker 7: after ten labor budgets at the hand of Premier Cinderellen
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Speaker 7: is an.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely another shock.
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Speaker 7: I mean, were the highest in the country, the highest
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Speaker 7: debt in the country, the highest business taxes, the highest
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Speaker 7: property taxes. We've now got the greatest un employment in
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Speaker 7: Victoria for seven months running, highest inflation in the country.
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Speaker 2: These aren't things that we should be proud of at all.
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Speaker 7: And now the Business Council Australia says that Victoria is
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Speaker 7: the worst place in the country to invest. Look, I
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Speaker 7: squarely places at the feet of the Allen labor government.
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Speaker 7: Now Jacinda Ellen has been there for ten years. Yes,
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Speaker 7: she's been premier for a year, but she's been deputy
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Speaker 7: Premier or senior minister for a decade in Victoria. She
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Speaker 7: has to take some sort of responsibility for this. I
20:36
Speaker 7: dare say, Steve, the only way that this is going
20:38
Speaker 7: to be fixed is if there is new leadership, if
20:41
Speaker 7: there is better leadership in the States, and that's to
20:44
Speaker 7: bootleb Bra out in a couple of years time.
20:47
Speaker 2: Well, I hope one thing you're not going to do
20:48
Speaker 2: is what the state government has apparently been revealed to
20:51
Speaker 2: be doing, and that's hiring consultants to work out how
20:55
Speaker 2: to give them advice on how they can get more
20:57
Speaker 2: revenue in the door.
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Speaker 7: Well, I'm actually more balanced on that point, Steve. I mean,
21:05
Speaker 7: I'm you know, clearly whatever the Victorian public service is
21:08
Speaker 7: doing at the moment to support the government, and whatever
21:10
Speaker 7: they're doing isn't working.
21:12
Speaker 2: So yeah, maybe we do need.
21:14
Speaker 7: To look to external help to try and get us
21:16
Speaker 7: out of the circumstances that labor's created over the last
21:19
Speaker 7: ten years. But you can't do that and at the
21:21
Speaker 7: same time increase Victoria's public service by one hundred percent
21:25
Speaker 7: in the last decade and increase Victoria's public sector wage
21:30
Speaker 7: bill by one hundred percent as well. You know, this
21:33
Speaker 7: comes down to respect for Victorian taxpayers dollars. You can't
21:36
Speaker 7: be employing all the people in Victoria's public service you've
21:39
Speaker 7: got again that's increased by one hundred percent of the
21:42
Speaker 7: last ten years, and at the same time be employing
21:45
Speaker 7: consultants to effectively try and do a.
21:46
Speaker 2: Better job than they do.
21:48
Speaker 7: If we need external help, let's get it, because clearly
21:51
Speaker 7: at the minute whatever's happening isn't working.
21:55
Speaker 2: Rad You're on the other side of the world. But
21:57
Speaker 2: you must have been absolutely shocked when you saw what
21:59
Speaker 2: unfolded in Elston with today, with the firebombing of that synagogue.
22:07
Speaker 2: Did you ever believe you'd be seeing that happen in
22:09
Speaker 2: your hometown.
22:12
Speaker 7: Well, I must say, Steve, I'm not surprised to be frank,
22:17
Speaker 7: I think this is what happens when the federal government
22:21
Speaker 7: moves away from the long standing position of bipartisanship and
22:24
Speaker 7: non partisanship on matters of support for Israel.
22:29
Speaker 2: I think it's a sad state of affairs.
22:31
Speaker 7: That there were many in the Victorian community, many in
22:35
Speaker 7: the local community, in Melbourn's Jewish community, that we're saying
22:39
Speaker 7: this is only a matter of time. Anti Semitism is
22:43
Speaker 7: a bad thing and what our political leaders should be
22:46
Speaker 7: doing is being more forthright in their positioning on it
22:50
Speaker 7: and to stamp it's out, because as your previous guest,
22:53
Speaker 7: Julian Lisa was saying, it starts with the Jewish community,
22:56
Speaker 7: but it doesn't end there. It's not just Jews that
22:59
Speaker 7: are impacted by anti Semitism. It is the entire Australian community.
23:04
Speaker 7: And it's a sad day in Victoria. It's a sad
23:06
Speaker 7: day in Australia and I just hope it sends a
23:09
Speaker 7: wake up message to those federal political leaders to do better.
23:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, said Brad. Thank you very much for joining
23:18
Speaker 2: us from London tonight. Now still ahead on the program.
23:20
Speaker 2: As I mentioned, Jamie Hymes from the Jewish Affairs Council
23:24
Speaker 2: will join us to get his response to today's dreadful,
23:27
Speaker 2: sickening arson attack in Melbourne. And up next another you hit.
23:31
Speaker 2: Another venue has been proposed to put the Brisbane Olympic
23:35
Speaker 2: Stadium in the state government review not even complete. Our
23:40
Speaker 2: I'll make Campbell Newman away in Up next, welcome back
23:47
Speaker 2: to Steve Price with you on this Friday night. Let's
23:49
Speaker 2: bring in our regular contributor. Campbell Newman joins us tonight.
23:53
Speaker 2: He's in Canberra, not in Brisbane. Campbell, Well, another week,
23:57
Speaker 2: another story about Olympic venues. You're was my favorite topic
24:02
Speaker 2: this time. Brisbane Olympics organizing boss Andrew liveris very well
24:06
Speaker 2: credential businessman. He's backed a new stadium precinct at Victoria Park,
24:12
Speaker 2: including a sixty thousand seat stadium swimming venue which is
24:16
Speaker 2: going to be adjacent to that look the stadium reviews
24:19
Speaker 2: still underway, but this is a big call. But I've
24:22
Speaker 2: got to say, and I can't wait for your view
24:24
Speaker 2: on this. If you're going to have an Olympics, what's
24:27
Speaker 2: wrong with actually building a brand new Olympics stadium and
24:30
Speaker 2: a swimming center and you'll have it there forever.
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Speaker 8: Look, I totally agree with the need for some world
24:37
Speaker 8: class infrastructure, like you you said, but Steve, the idea
24:41
Speaker 8: of putting it in Victoria Park is just dead wrong
24:45
Speaker 8: and I will be there quite vehemently opposing this. I
24:49
Speaker 8: live in the in the north. I'm a few kilometers
24:51
Speaker 8: away from this site. I know it well. It was
24:55
Speaker 8: a golf golf links for many decades and the law
25:00
Speaker 8: Mayor Adrian Schrinner had taken a very courageous stand and
25:04
Speaker 8: said we're going to return that open space as a park.
25:08
Speaker 8: And the background of this, Steve, is that one hundred
25:11
Speaker 8: and sixty years ago, this was set aside by the
25:14
Speaker 8: people of a very small city of Brisbane. I need
25:18
Speaker 8: a township really to be a park, a central park
25:21
Speaker 8: for Brisbane. And over the last one hundred and sixty
25:23
Speaker 8: years it's been chipped away, chipped away, chipped away. They
25:26
Speaker 8: put a freeway through it. And the inner city bypass.
25:29
Speaker 8: They put a Rava line through it, they put a
25:32
Speaker 8: busway through it, they took some of it through a university,
25:35
Speaker 8: they gave some of it to the exhibition grounds, until
25:39
Speaker 8: now it's only half what it once was, and this
25:41
Speaker 8: will completely destroy it. I say no to that. I say,
25:44
Speaker 8: let's build a new stadium at Hamilton North Shore or
25:48
Speaker 8: perhaps on the main as it's calledmyny rail Yards. But
25:53
Speaker 8: let's not destroy this wonderful piece of green space in
25:57
Speaker 8: the heart of our city.
26:00
Speaker 2: So you know Brisbane much better than I do. Does
26:03
Speaker 2: it not have that level of parklands that places like
26:07
Speaker 2: Sydney and Adelaide and even in Melbourne enjoy, I mean,
26:11
Speaker 2: is there a lack of open park I'm a golfer.
26:15
Speaker 2: I would have thought you want to leave the golf
26:17
Speaker 2: course there, But don't you have that sort of park land?
26:21
Speaker 8: We actually don't, and it's under pressure. And the thing
26:24
Speaker 8: I've been pointing out is that there is a pattern
26:27
Speaker 8: in Brisbane in its history over the last particularly last
26:31
Speaker 8: fifty sixty years, where there's a public park which suddenly
26:35
Speaker 8: ends up being a major stadium and it's lost to
26:38
Speaker 8: the community, for example, and people might howl me for
26:42
Speaker 8: saying this. But Lang Park was originally Lang Park, now
26:45
Speaker 8: at sun Corps Stadium, it ain't a park anymore. Ballymore
26:50
Speaker 8: is still accessible by the public to a certain extent
26:53
Speaker 8: not far from this site, but a fair bit of
26:55
Speaker 8: it has been the community excluded park is soccer or
27:01
Speaker 8: a football field not far from here, and that's been
27:04
Speaker 8: pretty much taken away from the community. And this is
27:07
Speaker 8: the inner city where there's going to be higher density.
27:10
Speaker 8: This is a beautiful park with wonderful trees. It has
27:15
Speaker 8: Aboriginal indigenous history significance. There are stands of trees in
27:21
Speaker 8: there that have heritage protection. And yet suddenly, and there
27:26
Speaker 8: are very powerful forces at foot ind Brisbane people are
27:29
Speaker 8: just losing it. The Courier miles backing it, The Australian
27:32
Speaker 8: newspaper seems to be backing it. There are senior business people,
27:37
Speaker 8: politicians who are all getting behind it. And it's just wrong.
27:42
Speaker 8: And you know what, mate, I'm probably on the wrong
27:44
Speaker 8: side of the argument at the moment, but I say
27:46
Speaker 8: to my fellow Brisbane residents, if you think this is
27:49
Speaker 8: a good idea, think about the consequences. If you keep
27:53
Speaker 8: doing this, you will not have parkland parkland is parkland.
27:57
Speaker 8: It is for people to kick a ball other than
28:01
Speaker 8: a professional athlete. It's a place to fly a kite,
28:04
Speaker 8: to have a picnic, to just enjoy beautiful, open green space.
28:09
Speaker 8: This is got rolling hills which are going to have
28:11
Speaker 8: to be flattened and gullies filled in. The Only way
28:16
Speaker 8: you'll really get there is by public transport because the
28:18
Speaker 8: idea of taking a car there is just incomprehensible. The
28:22
Speaker 8: road network won't take it, and there's nowhere for the parking.
28:26
Speaker 8: So Hamila Norsehaw, on the other hand, has fantastic advantages.
28:31
Speaker 8: Accessibility to the Gateway, Arterial, North South, Sunshine Coast and
28:35
Speaker 8: the Gold Coast. You have the potential to put rail
28:38
Speaker 8: access in, you can have great bus accessibility, you can
28:42
Speaker 8: have ferries on the river. It's near to the airport,
28:45
Speaker 8: and it's a brown filled site. So that's what I'm backing, mate.
28:49
Speaker 8: Yes we need a new stadium, Yes we need to
28:51
Speaker 8: think big for the Olympics, but let's not destroy a
28:54
Speaker 8: park in the process.
28:57
Speaker 2: Well, I got to say it's always great to have
28:59
Speaker 2: an alternative view when you've put the case really well.
29:02
Speaker 2: I mean, you just wonder with all of that media
29:04
Speaker 2: backing though whether this might get rammed through, but we'll
29:07
Speaker 2: have to keep an eye on it. Campbell, you enjoying, Cambra.
29:10
Speaker 2: Great to have you.
29:11
Speaker 8: With us, Thanks Steve, Yeah, great to be with you.
29:15
Speaker 2: Good on your Campbell Cambon Ywman will be back with
29:17
Speaker 2: us next Friday night. They really need to get their
29:21
Speaker 2: act together up there because the Olympics is not that
29:24
Speaker 2: far away and they need to sort it out. They
29:26
Speaker 2: need to work out where they're actually going to do it.
29:28
Speaker 2: Let's come back to Melbourne now, where an early morning
29:31
Speaker 2: Arson attacked that we've been telling you about all day
29:33
Speaker 2: on Sky. It's really rocked the local Jewish community. They're
29:36
Speaker 2: now angry as they should be. I'm joined by Jamie
29:39
Speaker 2: Hymes from the Australia Israel Jewish Affairs Counsel. Jamie, thank
29:43
Speaker 2: you very much for your time.
29:45
Speaker 5: Thanks very much for having me here, Steve, I just
29:47
Speaker 5: wish it was under better Secumcisce.
29:48
Speaker 2: Yes, me too. Did you ever think as a Jewish
29:51
Speaker 2: Australian living in Melbourne that you would see this?
29:54
Speaker 5: If you'd asked me that question fourteen months ago, I
29:56
Speaker 5: probably would have said no, although there wasn't attempted fy
29:59
Speaker 5: bombing a versus goog and camera a number of years ago.
30:02
Speaker 5: But given the events of the last fourteen years, I
30:05
Speaker 5: hate to say it, but I'm not really that surprised
30:07
Speaker 5: it's been heading in this direction for those last fourteen months.
30:10
Speaker 2: I've been around a long time, a bit longer than you.
30:12
Speaker 2: I've never experienced anti Semitism like we've had since the
30:17
Speaker 2: seventh of October last year. It's just exploded. And I
30:21
Speaker 2: think one of the real problems we have here, Jamie,
30:23
Speaker 2: is that we haven't had strong leadership to stop it.
30:26
Speaker 2: Once you let the cat out of the bag, it's
30:28
Speaker 2: very hard to rein it in.
30:29
Speaker 5: Well, that's exactly right. I mean, it goes back to,
30:31
Speaker 5: you know, the scenes on the steps of the Sydney
30:33
Speaker 5: Opera House on October ninth, when the sales were lit
30:37
Speaker 5: up in solidarity with the Jewish community, but the Jewish
30:39
Speaker 5: community was wont to stay away for their own safety,
30:42
Speaker 5: while you had people mobs on the steps screaming out
30:45
Speaker 5: where are the Jews? And e f the Jews? And
30:47
Speaker 5: you know, that really set the prices and it's just
30:49
Speaker 5: been all downhill from there. You've had riots outside Sydneagogue's
30:53
Speaker 5: in Melbourne, You've had these weekly demonstrations in the city
30:57
Speaker 5: where you know, Freedom's speeches all very well, but when
30:59
Speaker 5: Jewey people feel afraid to go into the city every
31:02
Speaker 5: Sunday for a year, and they're waiving the flags of
31:06
Speaker 5: proscribed terrorist organizations like Camasnesbala, and it's time for action.
31:11
Speaker 5: And you know, extremism feeds on extremism, and you've also
31:14
Speaker 5: got all this ant Israel incitement going on, and it
31:17
Speaker 5: just builds to something like this. And I really hope
31:19
Speaker 5: that this is as bad as it gets, but unfortunately
31:22
Speaker 5: I can't say that it is with any confidence.
31:23
Speaker 2: It's one thing, you know, to have graffiti, which is
31:25
Speaker 2: bad enough. But I think one of the biggest, bigger
31:29
Speaker 2: issues with this really exploded and expanded was at our
31:32
Speaker 2: universities where vice chancellors, not just Melbourne Universities, but universities
31:37
Speaker 2: around the country didn't have the courage and didn't have
31:41
Speaker 2: the backing of political leaders or their local police forces
31:45
Speaker 2: to stop these on campus occupations. Melbourne University buildings occupied.
31:51
Speaker 2: It went on and on and on. People who are
31:54
Speaker 2: of that mindset, who think that they can go around saying,
31:57
Speaker 2: you know, from the river to the sea, they get
32:00
Speaker 2: confidence out of that, they say, well, nothing's going to happen.
32:02
Speaker 2: The police are not going to arrest us, no one's
32:04
Speaker 2: going to use anti defamation laws, so let's ratchet it
32:07
Speaker 2: up again.
32:08
Speaker 5: Of course, you had the university academics and the union
32:11
Speaker 5: putting pressure on the vice chancellors not to do anything.
32:14
Speaker 5: I mean, you know when Jewish students are told to
32:17
Speaker 5: stay away from campus during their exams for their own safety,
32:21
Speaker 5: and that's just appalling. It's just not good enough. And
32:23
Speaker 5: then we had the opposition, the federal opposition put forward
32:26
Speaker 5: a very sound proposal to have a judicial inquiry with
32:30
Speaker 5: Royal Commission powers to try and put an end to
32:33
Speaker 5: this scourge on the university campuses, and the government blocked it.
32:37
Speaker 5: You know, it's just Julian.
32:38
Speaker 2: Let's you spoke about that earlier, and I think that
32:40
Speaker 2: that would have been a very sensible circuit breaker. Perhaps
32:44
Speaker 2: political leadership. I mean, we saw what the Prime Minister said.
32:47
Speaker 2: I gave him some leeway because he was on the
32:49
Speaker 2: other side of the country. I suspect when he gets
32:52
Speaker 2: back on this side of the country, he will be stronger,
32:55
Speaker 2: let's hope. So to send her Allen, the Victorian Premier
32:58
Speaker 2: from the socialist left faction of Labor Party wandered down
33:01
Speaker 2: to the synagogue today, she would have felt that she
33:03
Speaker 2: had to go there. I suspect she wasn't greeted warmly.
33:06
Speaker 2: There was a lot of people asking why haven't you
33:08
Speaker 2: been protecting us in the past. She doled out one
33:11
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars and scarpe it away. What did you
33:13
Speaker 2: make of that appearance?
33:15
Speaker 5: Look, I mean good honor for going down there, But
33:17
Speaker 5: sometimes as a politician, you know, as a leader, when
33:21
Speaker 5: people are hurting and the Jewish community is really hurting,
33:23
Speaker 5: you know, an attack on a synagogue isn't just an
33:25
Speaker 5: attack on that congregation or an attack on a religion.
33:28
Speaker 5: It is an attack on the whole community. It's the
33:30
Speaker 5: epitome of how they take the whole community. And it's
33:32
Speaker 5: up to her as a leader, to stand up there
33:35
Speaker 5: and take the criticism if it's there, and try to
33:39
Speaker 5: console the community. Don't walk away at the first sign
33:42
Speaker 5: of discord, because people are angry and people are hurting,
33:44
Speaker 5: and they're going to take it out on the government,
33:46
Speaker 5: especially if they in this case justifiably feel that the
33:49
Speaker 5: government has not been doing enough.
33:51
Speaker 2: This is a place of worship, This is a place
33:53
Speaker 2: and it's a particularly the Jewish community that go to
33:58
Speaker 2: that synagogue are very strict Jewish people.
34:02
Speaker 9: That's right.
34:03
Speaker 2: Imagine if we're here talking about the fire bombing of
34:06
Speaker 2: a Catholic cathedral or of a Bosque tonight, I mean,
34:10
Speaker 2: the community quite rightly would be completely outraged. I think
34:15
Speaker 2: the community is with the Jewish community of Melbourne. Melbourne
34:18
Speaker 2: has always seems to me, and I've lived in Melbourne
34:20
Speaker 2: on and off for fifty years, it always seemed to
34:23
Speaker 2: me to be of all the cities in Australia, one
34:27
Speaker 2: that had a great relationship with its Jewish population.
34:30
Speaker 5: Yep. Yeah, And I think, look, I think the majority
34:32
Speaker 5: of the community is still on our side. You know,
34:36
Speaker 5: there are silent a silent majority. I guess I think
34:38
Speaker 5: they would have been appalled by what happened today, But
34:41
Speaker 5: I also think they don't quite understand the circumstances that
34:44
Speaker 5: the Jewish community lives under and has been living under.
34:46
Speaker 5: You know, we have security guards outside all of our schools.
34:50
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, can you imagine rocking up to
34:52
Speaker 5: your local primary school and having to go through a
34:54
Speaker 5: security guard to get in. I mean, when there's a
34:57
Speaker 5: Jewish community function, whether it's got something to do with
34:59
Speaker 5: Israel or not. Chances are that these days they all
35:02
Speaker 5: put out the invitation on social media. They'll send it
35:05
Speaker 5: to their groups, and on the invitation it'll say venue
35:08
Speaker 5: to be advised, and they'll send out an email or
35:10
Speaker 5: a text message with the venue a couple of hours before,
35:13
Speaker 5: because it's not safe to send the venue out any
35:15
Speaker 5: earlier because you get demonstrations or worse. You know, these
35:18
Speaker 5: are this, This is the sort of siege situation that
35:21
Speaker 5: the Jewish community.
35:22
Speaker 2: Has to live under.
35:23
Speaker 5: It's not good enough, and we really need stronger leadership.
35:26
Speaker 5: You know, when you've got these rowdy crowds demonstrating and
35:29
Speaker 5: the only person they move on is the person waving
35:31
Speaker 5: the Jewish flag, you know, the person waving the Jewish flag,
35:34
Speaker 5: sorry these Raili flag. The Jewish person waving the is
35:36
Speaker 5: Raeli flag is totally within his rights to do so,
35:39
Speaker 5: and it's up to the police to protect that person,
35:41
Speaker 5: not arrest them.
35:42
Speaker 2: No, we haven't seen that, Jamie. Thank you very much
35:44
Speaker 2: for coming and appreciate it, and good luck going forward.
35:47
Speaker 5: Thanks very much, Steve.
35:48
Speaker 2: As Jamie there now coming up after the break, we
35:51
Speaker 2: are joined as we are every couple of weeks by
35:54
Speaker 2: our mate Mark Knight, the great cartoonists from the Herald Son.
35:57
Speaker 2: Also the coalition. They're on track according to a poll,
36:01
Speaker 2: so perhaps when the next election we'll talk that with
36:05
Speaker 2: our panel. Welcome back to the program. De Nika de
36:12
Speaker 2: Giorgio will join you at the top of the hour
36:14
Speaker 2: with her program prime Time every Friday night. Now, look,
36:17
Speaker 2: it's been a very very heavy news day. Obviously, in
36:20
Speaker 2: a very heavy news week. We've covered a lot of
36:23
Speaker 2: the detail of what happened at that synagogue in Melbourne
36:26
Speaker 2: earlier in the day. But we are joined every second
36:30
Speaker 2: week by cartoonist Martin Knight, who's probably going to have
36:33
Speaker 2: a pretty tough job trying to draw a cartoon around
36:35
Speaker 2: that for the Herald Son. Let's look back though on
36:38
Speaker 2: a week through his eyes. It's been an extraordinary week.
36:42
Speaker 2: So much news around at the moment, you can't believe it.
36:44
Speaker 2: I love the way, Hello, I love the way you
36:47
Speaker 2: draw John Setka. Now he's not a drawn as a gorilla,
36:52
Speaker 2: but you could almost imagine that there is a resemblances
36:55
Speaker 2: in there, a big man. I don't deliberately do that.
36:58
Speaker 9: I just have a picture of John in front of me,
37:00
Speaker 9: but he he exudes that primal sort of persona. But
37:07
Speaker 9: I was I was quite taken with the fact that
37:09
Speaker 9: he is, you know, applying for a.
37:13
Speaker 2: Post traumatic stress disorder, as even a lot of people
37:18
Speaker 2: post traumatic.
37:18
Speaker 9: Well that's what the cartoon says. I think it would
37:20
Speaker 9: be the people he deals with WI will be suffering
37:23
Speaker 9: from PTSD.
37:25
Speaker 2: He's one of your favorites to draw. It's a pity
37:27
Speaker 2: he's not going to be around for a bit.
37:30
Speaker 9: I think it'll be hard to get rid of, Johnny,
37:31
Speaker 9: said Caro. I think I'll be drawing him a few
37:33
Speaker 9: times in the fet someone who will be around for
37:35
Speaker 9: a lot longer, as Peter Dutton. He's getting very good
37:38
Speaker 9: polls at the moment, people starting to talk about this
37:41
Speaker 9: could actually be an election contest.
37:44
Speaker 2: What did you draw Peter as this week?
37:46
Speaker 9: Well, I just thought, you know, it's you know when
37:49
Speaker 9: you're driving and you look in the vision and you
37:53
Speaker 9: just see a truck coming down on your or you
37:55
Speaker 9: hear a motorbike coming in the presence behind the presence,
37:58
Speaker 9: that's a threatening present. Well this is that case. And
38:02
Speaker 9: of course remember in our revision mirrors used to say
38:06
Speaker 9: images are closer than they hear.
38:09
Speaker 2: And I think that's the case here.
38:10
Speaker 9: I think he's who'd have thought, we didn't think Peter
38:13
Speaker 9: Dutton could get this.
38:14
Speaker 2: Com fascinated that you don't believe that he needs to
38:16
Speaker 2: wear a helmet. Peter Dutton, you can't put a helmet
38:19
Speaker 2: on that head. You can't put on the book. And
38:21
Speaker 2: does elbow really have a big nose? He does? Does he?
38:25
Speaker 8: Well?
38:26
Speaker 2: You know in cartoon land he does. Well, you're right
38:28
Speaker 2: to do that. I've written a column about Australia Day
38:31
Speaker 2: for this weekend. I've just been illustrating it. Actually, these
38:36
Speaker 2: woke people who want to lecturers about what Australia Day
38:39
Speaker 2: should and shouldn't be. It happens every year. I was
38:42
Speaker 2: called on television this week an alarm clock because I
38:46
Speaker 2: went off about it because it's just ridiculous this pub
38:49
Speaker 2: group that suddenly say okay, you can't come in here
38:52
Speaker 2: and celebrate Australia Day. How did you depict that woke lager?
38:56
Speaker 2: This is actually licensed. That name got bad.
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Speaker 9: I've invented these two beers and people are calling me saying.
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Speaker 2: Where do I get it? All the White Invasion Day
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Speaker 2: pale ale.
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Speaker 9: I think that's you know, I think that could be
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Speaker 9: a seller. But I agree with you. Where do they
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Speaker 9: stop from telling us how to live our lives?
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Speaker 2: This can't be a boon for business. Last year it
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Speaker 2: was Woolies in the flag. You remember what?
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Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, I remember they had the digger carrying the
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Speaker 9: wounded digger.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's right, yeah, classic.
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Speaker 9: And he was going through the checkout with his wounded
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Speaker 9: you know that great CPR photo from Gallipo.
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Speaker 2: So you may be in fact responsible for Brad Banducci
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Speaker 2: losing his job, but a plan I'm sorry, sorry Brad.
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Speaker 2: Now Victoria, we know what a dreadful mess that budget is.
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Speaker 2: In Victoria, we're broke. Basically, we're paying twenty seven million
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Speaker 2: dollars a day on the interest Sindra Allen and Tim
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Speaker 2: Pallas are desperately trying to sort it out. They're in
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Speaker 2: a used car yard.
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Speaker 9: Well, we were raided by the Business counc all of
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Speaker 9: Australia and I think there were various disciplines taxation, regulation
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Speaker 9: and we were last in most of them. That's worst
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Speaker 9: payroll tax yes, worst, worst, worst payroll taxes?
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Speaker 2: Worst? What's that worst? Everything?
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Speaker 6: Well?
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Speaker 9: Worst regulation? And she's expecting us to buy.
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Speaker 2: This us you can trust us was a used car dealer,
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Speaker 2: and that says a lot of price. Looked a lot like.
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Speaker 9: Someone said to me, you've drawn that commodore looking too good.
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Speaker 9: That should have the wheels falling off and it should
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Speaker 9: be sort of.
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Speaker 2: So, Woolies was back on your radar as well, was
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Speaker 2: it this?
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Speaker 8: Yes?
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Speaker 9: Yes, yes, Woolies and the warehouse workers pay dispute.
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Speaker 2: Now our shelves are empty.
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Speaker 9: Well, I just thought, you know, you've got these big
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Speaker 9: distribution centers, and it reminded me a lot of you know,
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Speaker 9: poor old Santa's distribut You shouldn't center up there on
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Speaker 9: the with his elves. And if the elves up there
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Speaker 9: get a whiff of this campaign, well they'll be out
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Speaker 9: the front picketing, picketing in the North Pole.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be a very hard job to draw
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Speaker 2: a cartoon about what happened today. We've been talking about
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Speaker 2: it a lot on the program. But in your business
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Speaker 2: sometimes you have to make a statement. You can't ignore this.
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Speaker 2: This is It's a it's a defining moment, I believe,
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Speaker 2: and not.
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Speaker 9: The cartoons are not always funny, Steve, and Tonight's will
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Speaker 9: be just I guess a look at what and why.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I look forward to seeing it. Mark Night joins
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Speaker 2: us every two weeks. He's a great man. Mark Night,
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Speaker 2: Now come out after the break. How panel joins us
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Speaker 2: Australia's youth crime crisis. We all know it is out
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Speaker 2: of control. Our panel regulars join me as we take
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Speaker 2: a look at some shocking footage of armed teenagers breaking
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Speaker 2: into a Melbourne home. You won't believe how they got in.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Let's bring our panel normal Friday Night regular
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Speaker 2: small business women, Australia's Amanda Rose and our good friend
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Speaker 2: Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand. Great to see you both. Joe,
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Speaker 2: Let's start with you. I mean, you still think that
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Speaker 2: the PM can dig himself out of the hole? Is
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Speaker 2: in here is great booster? You think that the government
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Speaker 2: can turn it around. This poll that we saw during
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Speaker 2: the week, interestingly, it says that bitter Dutton has a
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Speaker 2: chance to win the federal election. It was a red
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Speaker 2: Bridge Pole Choe's the coalition ahead in a number of seats.
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Speaker 2: But I know Sam Maiden did an analysis on this
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Speaker 2: at news dot com this afternoon and it says that
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Speaker 2: Pole actually says, oh well, the Coalition might be able
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Speaker 2: to win nine seats back. That doesn't give you a government,
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Speaker 2: does it?
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Speaker 10: No, that's right. I don't think either party is looking
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Speaker 10: like it's going to get to a majority of the
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Speaker 10: next election unless something really really drastic changes. I think
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Speaker 10: the difficulty Anthony Alberzi and his government is that they
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Speaker 10: need a major reset. I think there is a clear
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Speaker 10: idea in the community of what Peter Dutton stands for,
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Speaker 10: and the government hasn't really been able to set out
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Speaker 10: what it stands forward, what its values are, and what
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Speaker 10: people can look forward to if it gets re elected.
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Speaker 10: I think that if there's no interest rate cut next
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Speaker 10: year before the election, I think that could be a
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Speaker 10: big problem and the government will really need to actually,
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Speaker 10: you know, kick out of the blocks and say right,
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Speaker 10: I'm Anthony Alberanezi, this is what labor stands for under
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Speaker 10: my stewardship, and this is why you need to vote
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Speaker 10: for us. We know that things have been bad. We're
43:39
Speaker 10: not pretending that things are good or we're not bragging
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Speaker 10: about how much we've made things better, because no one's
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Speaker 10: going to buy that. We know you've really been suffering.
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Speaker 10: But there's light at the end of the tunnel and
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Speaker 10: this is why and how we're going to deliver it.
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Speaker 2: Aman you're out there in the real world dealing with
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Speaker 2: real word problems. Unlike Joe and I who sort of
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Speaker 2: float around the media, those dismal economic figures this week
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Speaker 2: they really really got everybody's attention. How grim is it
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Speaker 2: out there in the real world.
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Speaker 11: It's very grim, and especially for the small business community,
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Speaker 11: which seems to be overlooked all the time, when ninety
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Speaker 11: seven percent of businesses are small businesses. And in relation
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Speaker 11: to setting your values, you know, with campaigning, your actions
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Speaker 11: are a reflection of your values. And I think what
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Speaker 11: we've seen is that what the current government is doing
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Speaker 11: and the things they've implemented and the decisions that they've
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Speaker 11: made isn't aligned.
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Speaker 12: With what the people need right now.
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Speaker 11: So, you know, a lot of the ideas that they had,
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Speaker 11: I remember saying, wait, give it time, wait to the
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Speaker 11: cost of living, crisis of before you start doing all
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Speaker 11: of these things, focus on the everyday person, Focus on
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Speaker 11: the small business community. Get the economy strong, because people
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Speaker 11: are too worried about how they're going to feed their families,
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Speaker 11: pay their rent, pay their mortgage, and are they going
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Speaker 11: to keep their small business open or closed? And if
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Speaker 11: they close it, someone's running a bit for twenty years.
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Speaker 11: I had someone the other day fifteen years in construction
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Speaker 11: and they had fourteen staff had to close their doors.
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Speaker 12: Where do they go? Where do they go for a job.
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Speaker 11: If someone has a small business, never worked for anyone
45:11
Speaker 11: else before, where do they go? So you get people
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Speaker 11: then unemployed and that has a ripple effect.
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Speaker 2: The other thing the Bee communities worried about both of
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Speaker 2: you is crime, particularly home invasions. I want to show
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Speaker 2: you some of this vision Melbourne suburb of Armadale, which
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Speaker 2: is a very well to do eastern southeastern suburb of Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: Armed teenagers allegedly entered this house while the family was asleep.
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Speaker 2: Kids were asleep in their beds. They got in through
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Speaker 2: a doggie door while the family was inside, they scaled
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Speaker 2: a high perimeter fence. Police say they made off with
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Speaker 2: a handbag full of jewelry and they stole the family's maserati. Now, Joe,
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Speaker 2: I have yesterday installed three cameras around my house and
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Speaker 2: a back to base alarm whereby someone turns up up
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Speaker 2: if anyone breaks the door open. That's how grim it's
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Speaker 2: got in places like Victoria. This is just shocking to
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Speaker 2: think that people you can wake up in your own
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Speaker 2: home with your children in their bed and mask people
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Speaker 2: in your house.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's terrifying. As you know, Steve, I grew up
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Speaker 10: in Danny Know and I used to pass Armadale on
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Speaker 10: the tram sandwich between Moulven and Tuak very well. To
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Speaker 10: do that was when you knew you'd got to the
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Speaker 10: sort of good bit of town. The interesting thing, crime
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Speaker 10: like this used to be kind of restricted to sort
46:33
Speaker 10: of areas like dan On, where you know, there are
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Speaker 10: a lot of poor people around, a lot of issues
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Speaker 10: with substance abuse. Crime is often very opportunistic. It was,
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Speaker 10: you know, sort of low level. This stuff looks like
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Speaker 10: something out of The Fast and the Furious and it
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Speaker 10: just goes to show, I suppose how fearless these thugs
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Speaker 10: have become. This is obviously something that's very premeditated, very
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Speaker 10: well orchestrated. It's brazen in the way it's been carried out.
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Speaker 10: But I think in many ways this seems like the
47:03
Speaker 10: sort of the apex. It's almost like crime is evolving
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Speaker 10: in Melbourne because it hasn't been stamped out at the
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Speaker 10: low level, so places like where I grew up and
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Speaker 10: the CBD. You know, there are reports that people are
47:14
Speaker 10: scared to go to work after dark because crime is
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Speaker 10: so endemic there. Again, once once you let that, once
47:22
Speaker 10: you let that genie out of the bottle, that's kind
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Speaker 10: of all she wrote, and you get sort of more
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Speaker 10: advanced criminals like this operating with impunity.
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Speaker 2: Maybe you should be able to feel safe in your
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Speaker 2: own home, shouldn't you?
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Speaker 12: One hundred percent?
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Speaker 11: And look, regardless of the area, regardless of the socioeconomic
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Speaker 11: situation of the people committing it, all the people that
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Speaker 11: you know in their homes. We know that people get
47:46
Speaker 11: arrested all the time and they go to court, but
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Speaker 11: then they get let off on bail, and you'll find
47:51
Speaker 11: that a lot of them are repeat offenders. And that's
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Speaker 11: where the problem is because I actually feel for the
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Speaker 11: parents that you know, the kids are out doing this
47:58
Speaker 11: type of thing.
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Speaker 12: They're saying, hey, I don't know what to do.
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Speaker 11: They might even call the police, But then if they
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Speaker 11: go to court and get led off, that's where the
48:05
Speaker 11: problem is. And the police are getting frustrated because they're
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Speaker 11: putting all this effort in arresting people and trying to
48:11
Speaker 11: keep the community safe, but the courts let them off.
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Speaker 11: So I think we need to push back and start
48:17
Speaker 11: questioning the justice system to find out why that's the case.
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Speaker 12: And a lot of people talk about.
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Speaker 11: Youth and how it's not good for youth to be
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Speaker 11: in jails and so forth, and I agree with that,
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Speaker 11: but there are many other solutions available to keep them
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Speaker 11: away from a particular society or a particular group of
48:32
Speaker 11: people and rebilitate them in a program, you know, whether
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Speaker 11: it's using their hands and giving them hope and a purpose.
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Speaker 12: But you can't just let them go free once.
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Speaker 2: Again, exactly, Amanda Rose, Joe Huldran, all is a pleasure
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Speaker 2: to see you both. Dinika di Giorgio is up next.