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Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
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season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts.
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Listen to it on radio train topic which maybe friends very but very good afternoon.
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Here we are averaging and closing, in this special case because of the
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Manian strike and so it comes very strong. I hear well, we are
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not well, not good well, with the stoppage of the cgté tomorrow this
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with impediments for everyone, to move and so on, this agreement with the
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radio, we decided to lift the program, so we will be recovering a
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little bit next week, on Thursday we will be scheduled for an hour instead
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of this half hour of closing week, so today will be our farewell.
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Week will be a little while of reading with Marcelo Cantelmi as always of God
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and everything goes well with Daniel It is already connected with perfect termio with Daniel
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Kepper and Gustavo for ri wolf Son, our co- responsible of North America.
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The day is now presented with sunny sun saw through the window after several
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days of instability, rains and cloudy and comes a freshness It is coming if
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hours and autumn apparently decidedly from tomorrow, with sixteen degrees and five of minimum
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minimum five there will be the thing. The blues stays there the same way
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these days one thousand forty, two thousand forty- five. Two thousand forty
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he counted with Linkey thousand eighty, the MEP one thousand thirty- nine and
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here at four o' clock in the afternoon infoba is reporting in the hom
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Karina Milay received ritondo of the pro a rufla of progress. What a regrettable
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role that Millaye' s pro- government is playing. They haven' t
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gotten out of the creta. They have been shown to be practically extreme right
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and not right. I do not know to strengthen the parliamentary alliance with the
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pro in full debate of the basic law. You know it' s going
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to be the part of the sequete that also puts pressure on you based on
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what you do in the Senate. The government thinks this one' s coming
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out. I do not know if by 25 May the significance of a bit
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of simila and what the governors have to do if it comes by that date,
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but with modifications and saúl MPs contested with a majority sanction, it ratifies
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what it has already done, but the most problematic thing is that the Senate
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will be tested in general, perhaps not in particular, these two rules that
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have half- cension of the lower House. The bank was born in launched
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its credits from Cipateca Desuba. What are the cups, deadlines and minimum income
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Alberto Fernández, who said he was honest or poor of one, so these
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are them. Hernández, who is a criminal, also appeared in the insurance
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case, appealed his inhibition and sought to remove the colini that is later.
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This is my farewell. I' m dying towards the answer of Jaime Bailey,
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a well- known one who says heterosexual or homosexual or I don'
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t know how to say it, a kind of crative demo that I love
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very much with Heime Baily, who writes quite well this also to a friend
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of Milaye' s answers to the friendships of my Laws the biographer of Last
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Name Marquez, This one who criticized I say well, spoke of disease.
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It took us 40 long years back in the caverns. They' re the
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people close to my law. That' s not my law. In short,
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no. Not to be surprised. One about homosexuality. Scan on a
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TV show between Canaletti the man from Clarín, my channel thirteen and Belli Boni,
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the man from the left of the pijateros. And well, that'
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s where we go commending one of the biggest global investors, Miley He'
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s the leader of the book market in the world Milay how big we go
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business and chi and financial bike for you. The Government announced that it would
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be discounted on the day of the state joining the pair on 9 May.
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I say that this is totally debatable, plus the gesture of the government,
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because tomorrow unemployment will not be measured if the worker is the worker, if
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one wants to arrive or does not want to arrive, but the function of
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transport and decision, this time unlike the previous unemployment, which played with mobilization,
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and this time not liy will be based on the strength of transport.
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Not now collective trains nor their then was very difficult, except in some private
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companies that have already made the provision or prohibition with the grapes heads. Whatever
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it is, it will be very difficult to get to work. Don Marcelo
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Cante and it was so long, good afternoon, how he' s doing,
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how you' re going, Fernando is listening attentively. We are complex
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well, well, well and in international matters, where we started for Israel,
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for Jamas, for a pact, for one more Argentine of the hostages
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who met yesterday who had been dead, where he grows. Start well,
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actually, the synthesis you have. Three important informations at the moment. A
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relevant one that is the evolution of war in the box, a very confusing
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evolution that we can now develop not others. It makes quite an important point
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for the Chinese President to decide on Europe, France, Hurga and Serbia,
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on the first five- year visit of that Chinese ark to Europe. A
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significant fact is that it is not the visit of a president seeking reconciliation,
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but the visit of a leader of the world' s second economic power,
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which marks the importance of that place. It goes as a representative of an
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essential scenario for Europe nor can you notice it standing there. The war in
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Gaza is entering a very clear alley. There are official numbers in Israel itself
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that consider the warring realities ended it, not. But not obviously, the
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government will not say, because it would imply the quality of the alliance of
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the Prime Minister of Camine, flaking very much under pressure, greatly coerced by
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the two main currents on the ultra- dechist, ultra- nationalist side,
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which are the ministeo of Finance, such as Triche, Nistro de Seguridad Nacional,
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de migil Duo, which has fourteen hundred in Congress, with which it
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is an important majority to sustain an alliance that is minimal. The power that
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has detail of sixty- four hundred and one hundred and twenty we travel through
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Israel is parliamentary of the governments, they are born on in the Parliament and
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they are born how in Spain and with Germany Community, according to the combinations
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that are made in parliaments for the elections and anthanated in order to reach power.
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Once again he got together with what was there and what was there was
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really not the best thing in the world. To a large extent, these
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alliances, with these fundamentalists, expiate the horror that took place in the Gaza
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Sanja, which unfortunately covered up, which should never be hidden, which is
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the massacre that the terrorist gang never made you feel against one thousand two hundred
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civilian Jews, women children, the elderly who were in their homes who were
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also pro- Palestinian. And that massacre, which has no precedent since the
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mild, from the vision the Holocausts more, was very covered by this tremendous
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deprolicity that had the war, very politically pressured, very contaminated with political interests
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that well, with the result that we know what happened now this is happening
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what is happening is that the United States also presses Europe to carry forward some
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mensions in Cairo, which comes to you somehow the war with some make-
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up, the lievi that, besides that Israel attacks in the city of Rafa,
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that border with Egypt, where there are a million and a half people
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tuned with great problems of all kinds, with danger of famine and pestilences,
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especially now because the income of food and medicine is closed. The intention of
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Metaneado and his associates is to advance over Rafa in the idea that there are
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battalions there, four battalions of Jamas, that have to be neutralized. The
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military claims it' s no big deal. That' s what Economics said,
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for example. Again it is what we are noticing, it is that
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the Government of Israel is smoothing out Gaza' s rim, taking over the
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gate to Egypt, which is the city of Rajas, possibly as a previous
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step Fernando to accept an agreement of 120 days of truce that was headed in
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three installments of forty in time, in which an exchange of prisoners was opened
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for derision and relining for captives. Among them is spoken. Marbango Verbuti,
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a leader, a huge prestige within the Palestinian people, who is anti-
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never, who is from the secular, who is from the Olfatas party,
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who currently governs the part of Gijordania in Rramala and who could make a prominent
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figure forward considered because they do not admire him the mandela of the Palestinian people.
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Let' s just say that when he gets out of jail, he
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' s not charged, as he was also charged with the same charge and
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terrorism. When he gets out of prison, if he gets out, he
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is likely to become a very prominent figure within the modern Palestinian alternative for both
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regions. This is happening now. It is very likely, if it deprives
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a certain common sense, that, indeed it is the war is about to
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be cancelled without Israel, after seven months and has been able to destroy the
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gang ever. But surely it has the capacity to prevent him from re-
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ruled the Strip. In theory, the other thing that can happen is that
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this, this shelf falls and that does there are others cre emphatically and in
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the ralpha the thing that should not be ruled out. But at the moment
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it seems unlikely. On the side of China, Fernando, the visit of
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des hisin can easily introduce minutes. I don' t know if it'
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s most likely. I want to go blank over what is real Let'
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s say as the last strong gesture, isolating, gauze, you said how
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it happened that is rumoring and that it would never have accepted in the mediation
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of Egypt and so on, as possibly a previous step. I took note
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of 120 days of truce that may be in three parts of forty days.
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We' ll have to see where I opened then, yes, exchange of
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prisoners This sees it quite possible. Let' s say that' s quite
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possible right now, aside because there' s a lot of information against victory.
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For example, Israel says it disagrees with this clan. But as far
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as we know, and Bjito has said, we sent him Israel. First
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we waited for the opinion of irrel with Israel said yes, we took it
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forward. So someone' s lying or I' d rather not tell the
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truth about the trans- mexical issues, but it would seem to be heading
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around. I wouldn' t bet 100%, because it' s very
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unpredictable. This non- Israel free rail government is not unpredictable. But Mr
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de Tañerzo' s detailed is unforeseeable. And everything could happen, certainly.
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But the balanced tabs would indicate that the way out, which is going to
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generate a gauze where possibly a more linked Palestinian government, bad cara, is
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headed, which is a little what Washington insistently ordered. This in principle,
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of course, will generate you. The fall of the government has surely been
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tossed, that is to say that the partners, of all the partners who
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commented on you, will also regret, because it is elections. No doubt
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they will not return to their ministries that had a positive look te Ga would
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go to others a novelty also political Nitronx. But you have to see if
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all this is an eye the way we see in this snow of that kind
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of political personalities that you think are gone, but they' re coming back
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a thousand lives, totally fine. Okay. Now you' re interrupting six,
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following two, moving away. No. Don' t you? No,
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no, the other thing than the little bitch. No more with chisintin
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is important the visit to give us the world of what it is about,
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the size, but because there are several very relevant issues in the discussion between
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Europe, France and China. One his Ukraine with a single flag law not
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President of the European Commission, who was there in Paris with Emmanuel maccm to
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reside with red carpet and all oropeles like that without you something that yes,
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without end really enjoys because it is that they treat him. As a High
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Head of State, who tells me all these considerations, Usula demanded that he
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feel that he should do something to generate war, because he believes that there
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is an existential threat to Europe, a rather rare expression in leaders of that
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level, in an existential threat. Let us remember that a few days ago
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Manuel mcrom gave a long interview to the Revista de Colombis where he says that
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Europe is in danger I say according to this idea that to a defeat of
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Ukraine in front of Russia, we had spoken it to you Hernando, would
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imply a real coup for Europe, because this would happen that it would not
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be possible to stop it Putín from now on, that it has just been
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assumed his fifth consecutive government in the hall of the Zares, practically making tsar
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let' s say in the role of that of Russia something quite, quite
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between comics and pathetics, yesterday, in the assumption, in the ceremony of
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this man, practically an eternal level of Russia, which is as unreliable as
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some known hit me at the time that the agreement of unions with which he
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is being negotiated. Britain gave him the agreement so that the histe would take
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over the region of toys, the Czechoslovaks. But the Germans or the Germanists,
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and with that they assumed that hiple was going to settle. Well,
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he didn' t settle. It' s the same here. Tutín is
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going to settle for 20% of the territory of Ukraine. There are many
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Europeans who say yes, that we have to do that there and basically all
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the rest say no, that if that happens, we will have a Putin
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advancing not only militarily, but with political and diplomatic influence very very medium economic,
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very marked from now on. Let' s say it' s a
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big problem for Europe what can happen in Ukraine if without pin is erased this
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doesn' t take care of this practically doesn' t answer what is expected
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to answer. He says it has nothing to do with China with this thing
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he doesn' t do. The case of China is to take care of
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an unnecessary balance. And the other issue raised by chishintin is the profits of
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Chinese companies from the aid it has to provide to the State, for example,
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in the case of electric auto media, which are one of the largest
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gold mines that have recently appeared in China. China produces very good electric cars
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and in a quantity it is like one to pay attention to the size of
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the country so that it is supposed to have its subsidy, its state health,
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that is to say that it has a price of gamping to such an
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extent that the actions of truth tesla fell as one of agreed the shares,
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because the key cars are more expensive than the Chinese and those that are being
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posed. This said the prisoner dampin. There and if third Dampin to raise
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an important maple tariff to charge these products to China. For example, in
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the case of France, it is responding with a possible lancelization to the French
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Brandi, which seems to be a lesser thing than creating a real scandal in
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France, this possibility that the great importer of French liquor will issue cancellations that
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make it possible for French products to be bought. Then there' s this
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bastardity in the middle. He also lauded in band Orline and it is necessary
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to see from now on what happens surprised the hierarchy of the visit. And
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I' m done with this. He went today to visit the place where
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the embassy was in China, in Belgrade twenty- five years ago. When
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it was fulfilled in these hours, the United States attacked the Rock Degree with
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a map and with a mihilex ocet erased absolutely left a wasteland where it was
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in the Chinese embassy with chidos officials. It was one of the most serious
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events. Indeed, a mistake, a bad intention, because that' s
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why it didn' t happen to matures. But now Jichin Pilin is taking
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that back, using it as a pretext to explain an American aggression at the
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University the other one and that look at this is not going to happen again.
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We won' t allow it. You said well, Marcelo, thank
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you, as always I embrace. Great. Now, Grande, Marcelo,
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cantelme here reporting its column on international politics, that which sometimes with what happens
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in Argentina, we have abandoned and we do wrong, but well, the
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national reality is imposed on us. Speaking of national reality, I' m
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going to greet the same one where Daniel Kipper, Daniel, Good afternoon,
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Fernando, how it goes. Good afternoon, Fernando, how are you doing,
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all right, all right. Thank you for taking care of us good
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to see in one case lafa in another eater. I put on a little
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bit the devil' s lawyer and I' m not going to raise the
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tone so much, but I say there' s a flaw in the river
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leaders in claiming what was the super classic, for example, and doubting whether
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the ball went in or in when the match was tied. If I am
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not mistaken yesterday with what happened with Brazilian arbiter, who must have expelled at
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least two Uruguayans. There is a lack of weight at the local and international
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levels of the River leadership. Let' s just say what' s failing
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Mira. Obviously, River leaders must act against such arbitrariness. Clearly the following.
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In relation to yesterday' s game, it was tied. We'
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re not the teams that regret the results. That wasn' t corner tea.
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We leave it to other teams, but it is clear that River leaders
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must act so that the Brazilian referee does not re- direct, just as
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Guillermo Nimo did not re- direct for that prison not coblado in that classed
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party in the prison of Galo, he should not re- direct this year
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number. You should not re- direct in comebol, for example, you
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should not re- direct River and you should not re- direct in the
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Copa Libertadores, in the eat Iworld and River you must pawn your institutional strength
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in this regard, because yesterday was not an attack on the sports result.
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It was something more serious. It was an attack on the firplay, because
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the game of expulsion, when the player throws himself with his two legs forward
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in a jump that could have broken and ruined in the career of a soccer
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teammates, of other footballers, that is, is paying attention with clear health
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and the fair game that FIFA preaches so much. Then the Rivers leaders must
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act so that this man as arbitrary as he was will not lead again and
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then internally yes, we have to do a self- criticism because he was
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a game that we had dominated with two goals of advantage and that he escapes
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us, unfortunately, but well, this self- criticism corresponds to us making
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him a door in, but that he does it publicly. Okay, but
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he comes back a little bit He started it by understanding and listening to his
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explanations. You' re missing the weight of River' s leadership so it
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doesn' t get past the classic super, so it doesn' t happen.
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It' s now, for a long time it' s been said
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eh the conmebola is in favour of River, I mean it' s missing
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some kind of representation weight. River is missing from this. The winds changed.
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Beyond the one- time case, last night he speaks a little more
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globalised general. You' re asking me to ratify what' s obvious to
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everyone. L River has no management or weight, not to be favored,
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but to have fair arbitrariness of the righteous. That is what every originate,
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fr play and fair play, fair and fair arbitrations should claim. Yeah,
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yeah, totally good. That' s missing well. Perfect. Okay,
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tomorrow. General stoppage, it' s only five months and it' s
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a hundred, fifty- fifty days. I think Millay management is second.
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It seems too much in such a short time. Also for too much is
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everything Miley has done against the population, with a unionism totally representative of Pablo
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Gonyano down unpopular. If you get the polls, you kill them in the
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polls of trade unionists, in many cases corrupt millionaires, but with a strike
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that can to a large extent be said to be fair and that tomorrow will
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be a stoppage for the simple fact. More than any laburante said for the
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simple fact is that there is not going to be transport, which is going
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to be impossible. In fact, tomorrow we make ourselves a prural construction,
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so these generate for the radio, the displacement of the staff and other readings.
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So this second strike tomorrow Thursday against the government of my law. Yeah,
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obviously, I' m not gonna do the journalistic chronicle. That'
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s your homework. Nor am I going to make the political analysis that you
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in part introduce that are typical of other very plural collaborators. My analysis must
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be strictly legal, which is in time when I hear your hearing. And
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here it is important perhaps to remember a little bit the history of the strike
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as a fact that was initially banned from strike, even considered a crime fundamentally
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from the French Penal Code of 1, 810. Then there was a stage
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in Europe where this legislation was abolished and the strike began to be tolerated before
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it was an impossible fact to avoid, until, from the Mexican Constitution of
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nineteen seventeen, the strike acquired a constitutional rank in the different countries of the
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world, as a collective right of the workers in defense of their interests,
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of their social conquests and even of the social and community interests in general.
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And in Argentina there was in part this evolution that I have pointed out,
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perhaps not linearly. Let us remember that the Constitution of one thousand and eight
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little fifty- three did not speak of the right to strike. In the
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early years of the 20th century U attempts to prohibit this type of behavior.
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We can recall the so- called Cane Act or Residence Act of the year
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nineteen hundred and two, which sought primarily to expel foreigners. Let us remember
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that it was the immigration wave of the time of our great- grandparents,
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who were all immigrants and who had political training in their countries of origin.
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Then everyone who tried to defend the collective was a foreigner and with that excuse
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they wanted to expel him. In nineteen hundred and ten, we had our
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country' s Social Defence Act, which also established important those who took part
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in a strike or attempted to induce another person to take part in the strike,
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and so we see that, according to successive weak governments and especially in
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de facto governments, attempts were made to limit and prohibit the right to strike.
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The right to strike has just been explicitly expressed in our country with the
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constitutional reform of one thousand nine hundred and fifty- seven, in which it
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introduces article fourteen VI, which expressly recognizes the trade unions. The right to
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strike. In the Constitution of nineteen hundred and forty- nine, it was
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implicitly recognized as part of trade union rights or as a defence of workers'
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rights, but it made no explicit mention of the right to strike. And
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there is a fundamental change that I think is important to emphasize, which is
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that of the constitutional reform of one thousand nine hundred ninety- four, because
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it gives constitutional hierarchy to three instruments that are important in the matter. The
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Covenant refers to the Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the International Covenant on
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Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and, as these expressly refer to ILO Convention
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No eighty- seven. It also gives constitutional status to this Convention, which
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does refer to the rights of workers, trade unions, trade unions and also
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the right to huaia. And this is an interpretation that there is the isté
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side of the right to strike and when it can be limited or not that
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it should be, it must be respected in accordance with the jurisprudence of the
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Supreme Court of the Nation, which states that these rights must be interpreted in
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accordance with international law and this Convention of the HOITE. Convention No eighty-
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seven raises certain criteria which it is important to point out. First, that
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all kinds of rights can be defended, not only strictly labour rights in the
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promotion and defence of the economic and social interests of the Community. They are
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also included in the possibility of rights to be defended through the strike. The
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exercise of the right to strike, says the ILO, should not involve harmful
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sanctions for those who practice them third, only the right to strike can be
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limited in relation to what is considered to be essential visions and essential services are,
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as you saw, only those that could endanger the life, safety or
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health of people. This obviously includes certain public services, but, for example,
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does not include transport in general. I am referring here to freight transport
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and not to metropolitan transport, to urban transport. I am referring here to
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the collectives subtes. There is this not of what is essential and which can
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be limited by emotional discouragement. It' s tons if you' re handling
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it very well in your way and that' s why we have you as
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a columnist in judicial matters. Perfect I work private tomorrow because I don'
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t want to and I have to respect my right or because I can'
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t get close. There are companies, we know that. I told you
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at the beginning you are not yet on the air that puts the ropes,
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etcetera, etcetera, available already is programmed in some private companies. But I
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say because I don' t want to or because I can' t.
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Private enterprise is in the right, in the point of view and then it
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is worth it is not and the statement of the forgiving spokesman or today I
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say first we start with the private. I can be in your right.
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Tell me about the day. If I have more tomorrow, I' m
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talking about brains and habit. I' m there homo office and virtual video,
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but I say tomorrow I' d get to work and I' m
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not going to what happens. You can tell me the day. It'
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s legal for me to get my day off as a private worker. Let
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' s say in a kiosk, in a factory wherever it is. There
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are curiously two situations that you marked in passing that of the worker who adheres
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and does not go to work because he is part of the strike. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, a worker who doesn' t work because they don
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' t have the means to stop you for the full good. Yes,
30:56
in none of the cases should the second penalty be discounted for the worker,
31:03
because the strike is a right and, as such, is recognized by the
31:07
national Constitution. Obviously, the denials, unfortunately, are violated. The right
31:15
to life, to property are also recognized and we see that there are homicides
31:21
and scams permanently, robberies, thefts, etcetera. And this is the problem
31:26
that workers have that, in the face of the tax discount, must go
31:32
and litigate, and this generates new social conflicts. What makes the situation of
31:36
the general population even more distressing is, instead of seeking the government to find
31:42
ways of dialogue or negotiation and to overcome the conflict. It' s forcing
31:52
this scale, this scale to increase the intensity, which is necessary. And
31:56
here the legal issue is a little sidelined. Maybe I' ll get involved
32:01
in a political analysis. Dialogue channels need to be established. Understanding the Argentine
32:07
reality at a time when there are many people who are living in a serious
32:15
economic situation, because the other day he heard the President in Milligh talking about
32:22
the times required by the economic policy he is implementing and he said there was
32:28
no magic in economic politics. The little image biology eating is necessary to eat
32:34
every day. Then there is no waiting time to determine their emergency and sensitive
32:40
social situations. And if the government fails to meet these demands, it will
32:46
find permanent corrections to the social conflict. This will include increasing social violence,
32:52
crime, absurd and violent deaths, and this will be solved through channels of
33:00
dialogue. What is missing, in my opinion, in these efforts. Well,
33:09
there' s some distinction. I spoke to Fernando in an imaginary as
33:14
a private worker and as a public worker of some who already have a moderate
33:17
sun, the bocellador or an obvious that will discount the day to the workers
33:21
of the State. There is some distinction between private audiences. This var the
33:25
same answer you gave me about whether I simulated a private worker. Well,
33:30
the difference you have to make is entertain essential public service. To be essential,
33:40
you have to endanger people' s lives. If it' s not
33:45
essential. There is yes an intermediate category where those social relevance service are.
33:52
There are obviously important services for the Community, in which case the State may
33:59
impose two limits. Basically to impose a minimum service to be met in those
34:06
social needs that are important, and it also has to establish negotiating mechanisms that
34:15
guarantee the rights of workers to defend your claims, your demands. And there
34:23
must be time limits. And the limits must be limited by the necessity that
34:31
justifies the limitation. In fact, in other words, the limit is the
34:37
limit of the limit. Bi bi bi, Daniel, well, let'
34:43
s hope to make a day in peace beyond the strong strike, on strike
34:46
that will surely be strong for breaking it from transport, but let it be
34:50
in peace and as you say, also calling for some kind of dialogue,
34:52
that is, that somehow there is also with the CGT, but it is
34:57
a little veiled. Well, there' s also gymnastics there needed, pressured
35:01
by the bases. No yes, and let us remember that, for example,
35:07
there were attempts to ban the strike in Argentina. There is a law
35:12
that has remained in my memory, which is the twenty- four hundred signed
35:15
by Videla Jardin, Gedy and Martínez de of among other ministers, which consecrated
35:23
only up to ten years in prison for the exercise of the right to strike
35:30
and the de facto government of the military government. We know that it could
35:37
not sustain itself, even with all the power involved in the armed forces.
35:44
Dialogue and social consensus must be the way forward. Well well, Daniel,
35:50
thank you as always, Fernando, for a hug. Daniel Quipper in popular
35:54
construction, our judicial analyst. This is where we hit and hit. That
36:01
I have as always there in North America. We liked very good afternoon how
36:06
you were doing, how I was missing very good afternoon listening to Daniel.
36:12
But I would like to begin with an issue that closed the issue of the
36:19
right to strike at the time of the military government. But if you go
36:22
along with it. At the same time, the famous accusation Raúl Alfonsín of
36:28
the SNLICA Pact enables that to end. In other words, the big problem
36:31
was that the interventionists felt the new leaders of the non- ducal organizations,
36:39
and that was what also caused many times the whole lack of control or,
36:46
as we would like to call it, not the seriousness of union relations.
36:52
I think I agree with the right to strike. The problem. I believe
36:59
that what is being criticized or judged is not who the workers are with your
37:07
total fact, but who are the leaders who are driving that strike where I
37:15
can tell you, let' s say with such conviction that they are people
37:24
who really do not represent the real workers today and that class in need and
37:32
with great economic problems that just Daniel pointed to doubt, that is, my
37:39
corrupt millionaires in general, exactly how many broken now, the fat celebrities,
37:49
not debricia, not the baradeos and good now the airline that has joined and
37:53
things like that I mean better said, I respect the right to strike,
38:00
the right of the workers to improve, but what is now time for us
38:07
to really cut off the representatives of these workers, who are unpresentable, who
38:12
no longer have. Let' s say a place in Argentine political life,
38:20
in Argentina that one thinks beyond the Let' s say of color and the
38:28
political flag and the result was they were quiet for four years. Let us
38:31
say that we are the protagonists of one of the worst governments in the history
38:38
of the last Argentine democracy. Then I respect anyone in their dignity, in
38:45
their integrity, in their philosophy, in their thinking, but give me a
38:51
reason to believe, a reason for you to continue trying to perpetuate yourself in
39:00
power and in your own interests. Yeah, now of course, donkeys don
39:07
' t fall into the general law. I' m not gonna be me
39:10
giving you Pablo Moyano or company. But there is a problem and we have
39:15
spoken it general, because the mayor who is being re- elected twenty years
39:21
ago, the trade unionist who thirty years ago, and the one who eats
39:24
or, that of the coal or that of the bank, who is ten,
39:28
fifteen or twenty years ago also in that case exactly general agency. And
39:30
so also the irruption that I like humans, like less of a milay that
39:35
poses good a disruption of a little of everything of all classes or castes is
39:39
not just food. I don' t tell you a story about Carlos Choret
39:49
de Mola, who is one of the country' s leading journalists, but
39:55
at the same time, vetoed by four by the fourth, he transforms by
40:00
the government. Then, being vetoed in the media, he created his own
40:06
communication mechanisms through a network called Latinus, which integrates it together with one of
40:13
the most interesting characters of the last twenty years at the journalistic level of Mexican
40:17
politics, which is called grosso. He' s a clown and he'
40:27
s a political analyst, but dressed like Payaso, it' s very interesting
40:31
that someday you see him on social media, even Aso boroso ve Larga was
40:40
a z I. He is really an excellent journalist, but from the point
40:45
of clown dialogue with the characters that is here in serious analysis, serious about
40:54
a place from the point of view of clown suddenly ay Andrés Manuel. Today,
41:01
yes, I mean, I' m going to use Mexican expressions.
41:06
Today you did pull it, today you do screw me up It' s
41:09
this and it wasn' t like that, no, but with a lot
41:14
of depth and good. And yesterday, for example, there is an international
41:19
consultant who every month López Obrador mentions her saying that he is the best evaluated
41:24
president. I' m sorry for the second best rated president of the world,
41:31
after the Prime Minister of India. And so be extremely good. Yesterday,
41:37
that consultant apparently took second place to Javier Miley. Then in the morning
41:45
he begins to question the manipulation of the numbers and not pointed out this week
41:53
the assessment made by that consultant about her power. Saying I am already in
42:00
third, not so many, the second, then I no longer mention it,
42:06
and much more than Javier Midens' second to what I am going with
42:08
this. The figure of the President remains a media phenomenon of analysis for what
42:19
he does or for what he does not do or for what he destroys.
42:22
As you call it you are speaking tomorrow your López Obrador, ora of Milan,
42:27
the two is that it is the same look This morning I was a
42:31
breakfast where the three candidates for senators of Acá of the province participated in front
42:38
of the Economic Business Council equivalent in the Industrial Union. It' s not
42:45
supposed to be one of the complaints of the party, let' s say,
42:52
the bread or the center- right opposition coalition, not to say the
42:53
right. It began to be the points of the claim of why the government
43:00
of Amlo clauxirodio of low and councils of tourist promotion, the trusts of support
43:10
of magical villages, that is, all structures around tourism that have taken away
43:16
the funds and closed them. So, when it was a question of questions,
43:22
I told him to see I said you' re if you' re
43:29
claiming all that stuff that shut down. Explain to me the role of the
43:31
Ministry of Tourism. If you say you need to revive again, you are
43:39
first once again expanding the public administration in the bureaucracy. You need if you
43:45
report that you need a trust to run the magical villages, another trust to
43:53
do the promotion and another I don' t know what also to analyze tourism
44:00
promotion issues and, in addition, what the role of the Ministry of Tourism
44:05
says. No, no, but López Obrador closed it and I tell him
44:10
Javier Mira closed it too. I mean, and I mean, be certain
44:15
adjustments that don' t have an explanatory ideology. I' m missing a
44:24
little bit from you' re criticizing certain attitudes or the President, but it
44:32
' s the positions. I mean, you' re still growing up in
44:36
a big mega state that' s gonna handle a lot of trolt He didn
44:40
' t know how to respond. Let' s say, we' re
44:45
living. I think a very interesting transition stage, look at the weekend results
44:47
in Panama. He won back, they win the vich in Panama is a
44:53
phenomenon. I believe that this situation of outsider, but with a position that
44:59
you think of location in the world is marking an imprint that, obviously,
45:07
a certain sector that lost the elections had no answers and has no answers to
45:20
counter this situation that is happening to the country. I mean, there'
45:23
s a lot of people who are hungry. I ask in November there weren
45:28
' t many people who were hungry for forgiveness and I don' t want
45:36
to flag the libertarian flag and go out and say live scream the fucking freedom,
45:43
but just analyze the state of situation. They said that one of the
45:46
typical things that happened when in the history of politics of our country occurred the
45:52
military blows that the next day saw the streets clean, why, because they
45:57
had pulled out of the soldiers. We love an action and activity that shows
46:02
the difference between the slowness of democratic governments and the effectiveness of military governments.
46:13
I think we' re on the same page. I mean, it'
46:16
s a process. I think we' re going down a rough road.
46:21
Now I' d like to know what the other alternative is. Daniel said
46:27
so in the dialogue. Yes, but with whom you sit to dialogue,
46:31
that is to say you sit in this situation you sit to dialogue, as
46:37
no longer with Baradel with all these satraps, then it is a very strong
46:45
process. That doesn' t mean we' re okay. That is to
46:47
say that the country is, but the country is really beginning to say it
46:52
in every sense, in every thought. And then the issue that really,
47:00
but with whom he spoke and to the point you notice that in these agreements
47:06
or means approvals that have been achieved in Congress, have been achieved through dialogue.
47:13
But with people who really have that vocation of dialogue it is not,
47:22
it is not again to sit down to dialogue in the void with the same
47:29
satraps that led us to this situation. There are things that I would say
47:35
seem to me to be too much beyond the President' s control. I
47:38
think yesterday that hugging yourself with the Israeli wooden barrier beyond a vocation or an
47:43
issue with Ira is too much. We' re more of a relief than
47:49
the Americans say. I remember. There was a very curious case. You
47:55
know that I very much like to analyze or remember the facts of international politics
48:02
of Salvador Duarte, who was President of the United States, forgiveness of El
48:07
Salvador, full civil war. He' s visiting Washington, well, at
48:12
the flag parade. The guy takes a step forward and you see the American
48:15
flag and he doesn' t do it with his country, like saying.
48:23
I thank you for coming to save the guerrilla issue, etcetera. It'
48:30
s okay. You have to have it. Like they say and I don
48:36
' t, I mean then that kind of thing was. They don'
48:45
t correspond, they don' t correspond. All the Chinese sounds of a
48:46
profó Always tell the husband and if you hang on, I don' t
48:59
know a topic comes up and you tell him that day you remember that under
49:05
the bridge we hugged each other and everything else when I was a boyfriend and
49:10
you took off and you ripped off my clothes that he told me. I
49:10
' ve never been with you on that bridge and she says," Oh,
49:15
I got confused, but you know I always react" As I say,
49:20
I am spontaneous and I say what first happens in my mind and that
49:23
must have been what happened with the Chancellor. I said oh yeah, all
49:28
Chinese are the same Korean Chinese. To see you mailing them China today not,
49:30
that is, the canteller has a door in pay, the amount has
49:35
a little I saw just dedicated to diplomacy. We' ve got a lot
49:37
of screw- ups. No and good, but it' s okay.
49:39
But it' s part of this diplomacy. I am not praising her,
49:45
and they are realities that happen and perhaps in a country that we were too
49:52
locked up in the forms we are seeing you because today we lose a little
50:00
with the Zungo. No, no, no, I' m good,
50:05
I' m not, but I mean. I was touched by a phrase
50:09
you said when you spent too much in forms, we forgot in the funds
50:17
or we' re a listening phrase to pass that you said the country is
50:21
starting from scratch. You really think, really that we' re starting to
50:23
do in every way. In some things, yes, when you' re
50:30
really seeing, I think we' ve been what he advertised with the engine
50:38
broadcasting on some very prudent topics. Well, give a pragma to set the
50:46
country on fire. No, yes, but not exactly. I think we
50:52
started to analyze ourselves in ditiembre no yes, yes, we are beginning to
50:58
learn how to govern. No. So, well, there' s a
51:01
fact that you can' t avoid it, but in a lot of things
51:05
I think you can. I mean, certain attitudes, that is to say,
51:10
he came to me I tell you the coast of the social work,
51:15
I prepare you want to call it what is abysmal. So I don'
51:20
t know if I' m going to be thrown back by the government'
51:23
s reaccusal. I don' t explain. Let' s say these costs,
51:30
Abisman I told them, you say no, then it was all a
51:37
Let' s say one shot and I' ll put it on if you
51:37
pay it or not. Well, we' ll discuss it later. Not
51:43
then this kind of thing. I think to see yesterday I read a tweet
51:50
from Ramiro Marra where it says good I am buying seven hundred pesos an imported
51:58
tuna that yesterday in the super side thousand four hundred. Then you need to
52:06
start from scratch. I said if the subject is the sondicalists, it'
52:09
s the entrepreneurs, it' s the same quotas of power. Yeah,
52:14
yeah, yeah, and I agree with that criticism. But you think the
52:16
labors, the labor, don' t get married. Yeah, yeah,
52:22
I totally agree. You think that the worker, the citizen, gives rise
52:24
not if he wants to stop. You don' t have the right one.
52:27
He already has it, but I say he has no motivation to,
52:31
to make a claim, to protest, not to work tomorrow. He does
52:36
have us, but what we' re getting back to, what' s
52:39
up with the motivations. If it is justified, no, as governed,
52:45
justified may be because it is in a state, let' s say delicate
52:52
of its situation, but I don' t know if that man finds or
53:00
in all kinds of non- worker. It may be in your analysis or
53:02
merchants, as well as in your intermediate analysis. I don' t know
53:07
if he has the solution. We stop for how it beats you gives you
53:13
skin. You don' t have to have the solution, you give the
53:15
skin, you don' t have to have resolution? You think you think
53:16
that' s what I' m saying? Yeah, you think Miley'
53:22
s really searching the mic. I see him there' s a feeling that
53:31
Miley doesn' t record the micro as it' s in the ones that
53:36
he adds, you listen to me there, Gus Gustavo, I hear you
53:44
ah sorry, sorry, I say there' s a sense of someone that
53:45
you can say that my law is in the macro, the top, but
53:47
it' s not in the micro. I don' t know if you
53:50
saw this shock I don' t know if you saw this incisive interview of
53:53
good journalism by the BBC journalist where she asked him seven times and Miley the
53:58
truth that she didn' t show sensitivity. He talked about the fact that
54:00
I, who am not going to defend Argentine journalism, which seems to be
54:01
of terror, is defending it corporately, but speaking of it being almost the
54:05
worst country, the worst one we ask the world, I remembered the nerism
54:08
when he says that they sell it to the people of reality. It'
54:09
s changed the lies of journalists. You don' t think the question I
54:13
' m going to ask is. You don' t think that he,
54:15
being in the big one, in the macro, forgets or shows little sensitivity
54:19
in the day- to- day micro. This journalist spoke, for example,
54:22
I went to them and to see us return to Menoti Bilardo' s
54:29
disjunctive. So you either arm the team' s defense from behind or more
54:34
than the front, or I win four or three, or I win one
54:37
to zero. I think he is, indeed I agree. It' s
54:44
in the macro and from there I sense. Or I' d like to
54:50
believe the wire would come down from there. But no, no, no,
54:54
I don' t see him right now that he' s arming the
54:59
team since the Ua defense hello. If I' m listening to your thinking,
55:06
no, yes, if it' s okay with you from the macro.
55:07
Put down the microok, good to see the one. That' s
55:10
the intention. I don' t mean, I have the numbers. Let
55:15
' s say armed ones that allow me to lower this a little bit.
55:21
Let' s say to the micro what it' s good for me to
55:27
stay in the micros and when I go up, I don' t have
55:30
the backing, the strength or the rest to do it also the other,
55:35
that is, what use the macro if it doesn' t come, if
55:37
in the day to day, if people what I' m going to say
55:40
about the spread to something good, pr un laboro, etcetera, etcetera.
55:42
But he needs to show the macro to eventually try to get, as tango
55:49
would say, the Molacos that he lacks to achieve his goal. Isn'
55:53
t that clear? The subject if you register is the micro say, but
55:57
is that not clear? The sucking. Not to see if I get Grandma
56:02
' s inheritance, I can pay the card for what it' s worth
56:07
to fight with the bank if I' m not going to know when my
56:13
grandmother dies and if my grandmother is going to inherit me well, not fair.
56:20
I' m too much, let' s say agonic, surbric,
56:27
but well, I don' t mean to repeat it again is analytical,
56:32
it' s not defensive, it' s not passionate about an open libertarian.
56:35
I think we' re experiencing mechanisms that I' d really like to
56:44
know if on the opposite side in a fair competition, no, how would
56:51
they have been these months with one more follow- up broadcast sergio if it
56:59
really allowed the system. And I don' t know that, but I
57:04
' d like and keep faking some fair would surely have been the subject of
57:09
continuing funding could have had a greater gradualism. No, I don' t.
57:10
And these strikes that we' re going to have tomorrow where egg repents
57:16
climbing us would not have had the strike anymore. He had obviously not had
57:21
measures of force of pre- trial domes. Yes, yes, we saw
57:25
it with Valdinia Alfonsinel, who at the head of Turkish Peronism was Waldini at
57:30
the time of the eighties, as it is now gremmelism. According to what
57:32
was then the general anecdotes it was a big hug. Thank you so much.
57:38
We found ourselves wiping into the arms Great Bye Bye, Gustavo Ferrari and
57:44
Wolfs are after Daniel Kips, but it was intense in program and first we
57:46
got into everything in this plural building horita and we go and tell them how
57:51
tomorrow the problem of transport for half the world, for everyone. Tomorrow we
57:54
rest, so we meet yes on Tuesday at the opening, Wednesday and Thursday
57:59
we will be a little longer, two of the fifteen, thirty to recover
58:02
lost time to see if it updates a pop pop pampa. Energy analyzes legal
58:07
measures. There' s a whole thing with this shirt thing, with the
58:09
money he just wanted to hold out and the prosecutor. The government owes energy
58:13
bread for irrigation. It analyses legal measures against the Government for failure to pay
58:17
the shirt debt. The company of Marcelo Bindlin, the main generator of electricity,
58:22
said that the bond payment is that, for example, Ministry of Economy
58:24
implies a loss of thirty- four million dollars. Strong lower industry and construction
58:28
in March brought twenty- one two and forty- two respectively. What needs
58:34
to be analyzed in general, if I did not want to have the CTRON
58:36
more optimistic, is not year- on- year, but with respect to
58:38
the previous month. We should see a little more. We' re leaving.
58:40
We are here, as I say on Tuesday, good day, tomorrow
58:45
rest, the one who protestes, protests, the one who works, works
58:47
and we meet back on Tuesday. Thank you, Juan, thank you Silvia
58:52
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