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Patriots Catch-22 11/26: 3 Up/Down vs. Bengals, Injury Reports/Updates, Playoff Picture · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bar So.
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  Speaker 3: They're throwing the football almost seventy percent of the time
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  Speaker 3: with Burrow or Flacco.
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  Speaker 2: It's the numbers are stagged.
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  Speaker 1: Today, ranked second in the league in past attempts, thirty
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  Speaker 1: second in Russian house.
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  Speaker 3: It's bizarre because their run game is not terrible, and
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  Speaker 3: Chase Brown's a good player. Now, maybe he's more of
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  Speaker 3: like a scat back than a true downhill between the
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  Speaker 3: tackles back, and maybe they need a compliment to Chase
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  Speaker 3: Brown to be able to do that. But you know
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  Speaker 3: the book, and this is with Chase, so I'll put
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  Speaker 3: that caveat on there. But the book that's been forming
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  Speaker 3: against this Flacco iteration of the Bengals is all right,
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  Speaker 3: we're just gonna play two high safeties. We're gonna put
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  Speaker 3: one safety over Chase. We're gonna put one safety over Higgins.
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  Speaker 3: Joe Flacco's not going anywhere, so we don't have to
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  Speaker 3: worry about him scrambling and we know you're not gonna
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  Speaker 3: run the ball tops tops. To the Bengals credit out
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  Speaker 3: they ran the ball a little bit in this game. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they adjusted, and I thought that they actually had And
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  Speaker 3: I'm not doing this to put lipstick on a pig
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  Speaker 3: or anything like that for the Patriots, not that I
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  Speaker 3: have to. They still won the game. But I actually
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  Speaker 3: thought the Bengals had a really good coaching performance in
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  Speaker 3: this game. From a game plan perspective. I know some
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  Speaker 3: people are nippicky about some of their decisions, some of
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  Speaker 3: their kick decisions and fourth downs things like that, but
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  Speaker 3: I thought that defensively they were buttoned up, had a
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  Speaker 3: good plan. I thought offensively, buttoned up had a good plan.
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  Speaker 3: They knew the Patriots were shorthanded in the middle of
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  Speaker 3: the defense without Milton Williams, and then Tonga goes out
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  Speaker 3: pretty early in the game, and to their credit, they
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  Speaker 3: handed the ball off to Chase Brown and let them
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  Speaker 3: run it downhill at the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to give the Bagels a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of credit.
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  Speaker 3: I think that they they played a good game, they
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  Speaker 3: played desperate, They coached well in this game. It was
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  Speaker 3: a good game for Cincinnati. Now with that being said,
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  Speaker 3: the Patriots have won nine in a row. If you've
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  Speaker 3: heard that, They're ten and two. They are in a
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  Speaker 3: great spot right now, with one game left until they're
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  Speaker 3: bye week. But at the same time, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: hate I hate being this guy. I hate being the like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the one that kind of like rains on
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  Speaker 3: the parade of the nine straight wins after a big
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  Speaker 3: w But at the same time, this injury to Will
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  Speaker 3: Campbell looms large.
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  Speaker 2: It just does.
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  Speaker 3: And at this point, between losing Will Campbell, Jared Wilson,
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  Speaker 3: and Milton Williams, I think Tongo will be all right,
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  Speaker 3: but losing those three guys, it is really going to
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  Speaker 3: be a challenge for this team. And I'm surprised a
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  Speaker 3: little bit by some of the talking points coming out
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  Speaker 3: of this game. I'm surprised how like calm everybody is
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  Speaker 3: about this, where now all of a sudden they have
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  Speaker 3: all this you know, built up trust in everybody in
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  Speaker 3: the operation and the coaching staff that oh, yeah, well,
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  Speaker 3: Campbell'll be fine, right, They'll put Viderien Low in there,
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  Speaker 3: they'll give him help, and it'll be fine.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that there's some truth to that.
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time, I do have to kind
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  Speaker 3: of go back to some of my prior feelings about
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  Speaker 3: this team coming into the season and not be completely
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  Speaker 3: jaded by a nine game winning streak. And look at
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  Speaker 3: what we thought about this roster when it was assembled.
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  Speaker 3: Was much better frontline talent, much better starting eleven on
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  Speaker 3: both sides of the football. Do they have the depth?
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  Speaker 3: Do they have the depth to with stand an injury
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  Speaker 3: to will Campbell? Do they have the depth to restain,
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  Speaker 3: you know, with stand an injury to Milton Williams, two
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  Speaker 3: guys that I think that were at the very top
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  Speaker 3: of the list if you had to put on the
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  Speaker 3: list of the most important Patriots besides Drake May, I
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  Speaker 3: might say that Campbell.
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  Speaker 2: And Williams were your two most important guys.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we even talked about this last week that defensive
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  Speaker 1: tackle was the one spot that the Patriots could maybe
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  Speaker 1: absorb that and it was going to make a difference,
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  Speaker 1: And it did make a difference not having them now.
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  Speaker 1: They also lost Tonga, which we obviously weren't factoring in
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  Speaker 1: last week. We talked about like that was the one
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  Speaker 1: kind of position where they had the depth to maybe
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  Speaker 1: absorb that kind of loss. Offensive line definitely not.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't maybe this is just knee jerk
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  Speaker 3: off of one game, but it's really two games because
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  Speaker 3: Milton Williams barely played against the Jets either. But I thought,
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  Speaker 3: in particular against this this Bengals team, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: just talked about off the top of the show, how
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  Speaker 3: they ran the ball pretty effectively on the Patriots, and
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  Speaker 3: I didn't really think there was much of a pass
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  Speaker 3: rush until late in the game, on that last drive
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  Speaker 3: where they kind of started to heat it up a
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  Speaker 3: little bit because they had to pass. You know, the
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  Speaker 3: Bengals had to throw the ball, so you start to
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  Speaker 3: accumulate pressures and things like that when you know the
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  Speaker 3: other team is going to drop that pass with no
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  Speaker 3: play action or no run game, it's easier to tee off.
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  Speaker 3: So I want to talk a little bit about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: how they're gonna move forward here in the short term
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  Speaker 3: without Campbell, without Jared Wilson, But I don't want I'm
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  Speaker 3: just I guess I'm just a little bit surprised by
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  Speaker 3: how nonchalant a lot of people are being about these injuries,
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  Speaker 3: because again, I think that we knew that their roster
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  Speaker 3: was better, and we knew that they improved the roster,
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  Speaker 3: especially the frontline play at the top of the roster.
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  Speaker 3: They had a better left tackle, they had a better
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  Speaker 3: defensive tackle with Williams, they had better players at the
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  Speaker 3: top of the roster. But if I could go back
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  Speaker 3: to August and replay everything that all of us said
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  Speaker 3: in August, it was that they still don't have great
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  Speaker 3: depth on the roster. Now we're twelve weeks into the
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  Speaker 3: season and they're ten to two, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: everybody's fine with it, right, And I guess I'm just
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  Speaker 3: a little bit surprised by that. I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: you feel about it.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit. Look, I think when the team's going good,
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  Speaker 1: people are gonna feel more confident. I remember, you know,
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  Speaker 1: back in the in the Brady days, with a little
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  Speaker 1: the flying elms on the side of the helmet, the
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  Speaker 1: flying elvis on the side of the helmet, the that'll
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  Speaker 1: we find the do they Brady yep? Do they bill yup?
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  Speaker 1: They'll be good. And maybe there's a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: that creeping in. Maybe some of it is. It didn't
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  Speaker 1: immediately fall apart with Lowe and Ben Brown against the Bengals,
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  Speaker 1: and that may have helped. So you know, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: entirely sure. But I'm with you, I'm a little surprised
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  Speaker 1: how how confident people are after this injury. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I think a lot of this confidence stems from
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  Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels, Doug Moron, Jason Hoddling, Ryan Coogler, and this
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  Speaker 3: whole operation that they have going on with the offensive
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  Speaker 3: line and the coordinator.
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  Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it that Josh McDaniels is.
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  Speaker 3: Much He's very very good and maybe one of the
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  Speaker 3: best I've seen at scripting pass protection, right, Like, how
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  Speaker 3: can we help tackles, chip help, you know, changing pitches, sliding,
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  Speaker 3: moving the pocket, like doing different things that you can
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  Speaker 3: do to avoid putting these tackles out on an island
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  Speaker 3: where they're you know, just one on one all game
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  Speaker 3: long against Abdull Carter and Brian Burns right on Monday night.
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  Speaker 3: So there's some built up trust in mcdaniels's ability to
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  Speaker 3: scheme around a left tackle that is a backup. And
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  Speaker 3: I get that, and I think that that's very very true.
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  Speaker 3: I think we both probably feel that it's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: Verderian Low. I don't see why it wouldn't be Vederian Low.
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  Speaker 3: Here moving forward at left tackle. I don't think that
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  Speaker 3: there's a huge drop off from Wilson to Ben Brown.
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  Speaker 1: They talked about if.
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  Speaker 2: It was just that, I don't think I would be
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  Speaker 2: all that concerned.
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  Speaker 3: But obviously, you know, Vederian Lowe not just based off
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  Speaker 3: of last year. It just it's based off of a
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  Speaker 3: lot of seeing Vederian low play and it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be a drop off there. But mcdaniels's ability to you know,
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  Speaker 3: like I said, to support tackles, whether that's chip help,
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  Speaker 3: whether that's moving or sliding protection, whether that's moving the pocket,
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  Speaker 3: whether that's you know, scripting run and play action, and
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  Speaker 3: then not really getting into those traditional drop back settings
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  Speaker 3: as much. You know, you don't want to get behind
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  Speaker 3: against this Giants team or a backup left tackle. You
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  Speaker 3: don't want you want to play the games on your terms.
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  Speaker 3: You want to play the games on schedule so that
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  Speaker 3: you can stay in favorable down in distance and that
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  Speaker 3: way there you're not in third and nine and just
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  Speaker 3: expecting these guys to pass block a lot uh one
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  Speaker 3: on one on islands.
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  Speaker 2: There's all that stuff is fair, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I think the other thing that kind of has a
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  Speaker 3: trickle down effect on this a little bit and I
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  Speaker 3: think it might go hand in hand with the Munford
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  Speaker 3: signing yesterday, is that I would expect the Patriots to
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  Speaker 3: want to load up in protection a little.
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  Speaker 1: Bit more now.
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  Speaker 3: So they've done this already at a pretty decent clip,
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  Speaker 3: you know, using six offensive lines, using like max protection
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  Speaker 3: where they're only sending like two or three receivers into
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  Speaker 3: the route at a time, and really putting like six
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  Speaker 3: seven guys in the protection to kind of load up
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  Speaker 3: the protection. Munford in the past has been with Josh
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  Speaker 3: McDaniels in Vegas, and Josh McDaniels used him him in
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  Speaker 3: that jumbo tight end role in Las Vegas. Now it
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  Speaker 3: was Ben Brown and now he's going to be starting.
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  Speaker 3: Then it was Vederian Lowe, and now he's going to
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  Speaker 3: be starting. So you know, now you have this trickle
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  Speaker 3: down effect of how do you get another offensive lineman
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  Speaker 3: on the field, and maybe that's Munford.
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  Speaker 2: That would be my guess is what that's you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, I think Marcus Brown, Marcus Bryant.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's possible, but I feel like they they
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  Speaker 3: didn't really do that. You know, like if they wanted
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  Speaker 3: to do that on Sunday, they would have.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but they were practicing with Low as the extra
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  Speaker 1: lineman or Brown is the extra lineman, right, Maybe they weren't,
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  Speaker 1: but now this week that's something you installed just because
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  Speaker 1: he's been here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could do that. You could do that.
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  Speaker 1: I like his athleticism in that role.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could do that too. I think that that's
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  Speaker 3: you know, a big part of too. And we'll get
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  Speaker 3: to you know, the good, the bad, and the stuff
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  Speaker 3: that gets to be here in a second. That that's
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  Speaker 3: a big part of the goal line stuff to me
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  Speaker 3: as well. Was Now Campbell was in it for both
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  Speaker 3: line stands, but you get into this position where you
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  Speaker 3: know you don't have Tonga, you don't have the package
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  Speaker 3: of the six to zero line or the seven if
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  Speaker 3: you want to count Tonga as an offensive lineman. They
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  Speaker 3: use that against the Jets a little bit where they
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  Speaker 3: had Ben Brown eligible and then they had Tonga eligible,
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  Speaker 3: and they really had like seven beefy dudes on the field, right,
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  Speaker 3: and they were able to run it in with Traveon Henderson.
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  Speaker 3: If you you didn't have that at your disposal against
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  Speaker 3: Cincinnati because of all the injuries, right, So you know
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  Speaker 3: that that's a big part of that as well. So
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  Speaker 3: I think that they're going to have some flexibility there
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  Speaker 3: and try to figure out how to get back to
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  Speaker 3: some of those packages as well. But my main, you know,
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  Speaker 3: big point, and I want to get to some of
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  Speaker 3: the more specific reasons why I'm a little small sea
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  Speaker 3: concerned about all of this is one, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if this roster is ready to handle these types of injuries.
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  Speaker 3: If they had an in and I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: name names because I don't want to like single anybody
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  Speaker 3: out that didn't act like, oh, that player is not important,
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  Speaker 3: But if they had an injury to a wide receiver,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Kashawan Boody, since he was hurt, Kayshawn Boody
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  Speaker 3: goes out. Okay, you know, not ideal, But I think
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  Speaker 3: that you had some depth there. I think you had
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  Speaker 3: some NFL players there. I think this was the one
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  Speaker 3: spot they couldn't lose his left tackle, and I think
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  Speaker 3: Milan Williams was playing at such a high level that
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  Speaker 3: that was another player that kind of got created there.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing that I would say is, and you
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  Speaker 3: know this is more of an US thing, ME thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: one of the biggest reasons to me why the Patriots
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  Speaker 3: have done a one to eighty here and gone from
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  Speaker 3: four wins to ten wins. Is the improvement in the trenches, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: Drake May's improvement, the coaching improvement with Mike Rabel and
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  Speaker 3: Josh McDaniel's huge part of it as well. But they
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  Speaker 3: have really done a great job and it's not perfect,
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  Speaker 3: but their level again on the offensive line, they're like
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  Speaker 3: league average again on the offensive line. So instead of
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  Speaker 3: being the worst offensive line in football year ago in
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, in twenty twenty five, they're probably like
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  Speaker 3: the sixteenth best offensive line, and that has just been
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  Speaker 3: such a huge part of what they've been able to do.
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  Speaker 2: So now you're putting two.
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  Speaker 3: Guys in there and Ben Brown and Vederian Lowe that
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  Speaker 3: you were trying to move on from, like you were
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  Speaker 3: trying to upgrade from that were on.
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  Speaker 2: That line last year.
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  Speaker 3: Now you have three out of the five guys that
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  Speaker 3: were playing for you last year and not going to
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  Speaker 3: be playing if you count on WHENU as well.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and what at a different position, right, So like.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's just a big difference. Let's get to the good,
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  Speaker 3: the bad, and the stuff that gets you beat, because
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  Speaker 3: there is there's some good from this game. And I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to be all doom and gloom. And I
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: told you, I hate I hate being that one.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: I hate being I.
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  Speaker 2: Hate being the negative guy. I hate it. No, I
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  Speaker 2: don't like doing it.
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  Speaker 1: You don't like fun either, So what do you like?
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I hate being the negative guy, especially at ten and two.
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  Speaker 3: But I just feel like it's it's important, Like I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, Like I said, I'm just I'm shocked that
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  Speaker 3: everybody's just kind of whistling past the graveyard here with this.
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  Speaker 1: No, I it's it is fun, like they've One night,
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  Speaker 1: there was a I'm trying to remember exactly the stat
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  Speaker 1: they said on Monday Night Football. Find it. They they
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  Speaker 1: either tied or broke it's the longest winning streak and
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  Speaker 1: franchise history without Tom Brady at quarterback. Yeah that's significant. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's very sick. I don't remember which one it was.
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  Speaker 1: Let me find it because I want to make sure
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  Speaker 1: I the right one. But I heard them sound like
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: they said it late in the game because obviously they're
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  Speaker 1: pumping up Patriots giants squeak, and I kind of sat up.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, already, wow, Yeah, so no, it's absolutely significant.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So let's get to the good, the bad, and
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  Speaker 2: the stuff that gets to be from this win over
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  Speaker 2: the Bengals. Still a win, still a win.
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  Speaker 3: Keep saying that I thought that in this game, starting
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  Speaker 3: with the good Drake May stuff, and then we'll get
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  Speaker 3: to the not so good Drake May stuff, but starting
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  Speaker 3: with the good Drake May stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Also, by the way, Yeah, it's now the longest winning
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  Speaker 1: streak in fra chi's history without a guy named Tom
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  Speaker 1: Brady under center.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's impressive. It's their longest win streak since twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 3: That was arguably the Wheels fell off late with injuries,
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  Speaker 3: but that was arguably one of the best Patriots teams
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  Speaker 3: of the twenty ten.
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  Speaker 1: The only so on Pro Football Reference, they have a
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  Speaker 1: box for limit streak to a single season. Are we
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  Speaker 1: counting that?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so then it's only within one season like the
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  Speaker 2: three to zero four, So.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I just want to make sure. Yeah, so Brady
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  Speaker 1: won obviously sixteen games in a row and O seven,
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  Speaker 1: they won twelve in a row and O three, and
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  Speaker 1: they won ten in a row and fifteen. So Brady's
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  Speaker 1: only a three longer winning streaks in this Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's nuts.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, it is nuts, and it's it's something not to
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  Speaker 3: take for granted. It really and I don't mean that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, no, you're absolutely to sugarcoat it, but it
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  Speaker 3: really isn't all right, So go into you know, the
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  Speaker 3: specifics here with Drake May. I thought what stood out
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  Speaker 3: to me in this game from Drake May didn't have
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  Speaker 3: his best stuff like this is like you know when
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Garrett Crouch has like, you know, an off night, but
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  Speaker 3: still gets through six innings and is still gives you
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  Speaker 3: a chance to.
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  Speaker 1: Win the game.
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  Speaker 3: Right, That's what Drake May did for the Patriots on Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: He still made three high level great throws in this game.
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  Speaker 3: The one to pop up the seam is one of
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  Speaker 3: the best throws I've seen any quarterback make all year.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that's hyperbole that that throw is that good.
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  Speaker 3: The back shoulders seem you know, a layered throw to
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  Speaker 3: Austin Hooper beauty, the fade to Hollins on the sideline beauty.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he still does this every single week even
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  Speaker 3: when he doesn't play quite at his peak.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: You know, three or four throws where.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Your jaw drops and you say, you know that is
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: that is why you know he's in the MVP conversation.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: That's why everybody feels so great about where Drake May
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: is at. I still thought that those plays existed in
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: this game. I still was really happy with a lot
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: of the things that he did in this game, even
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: though it wasn't necessarily his best performance.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just to kind of blend the two, because
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: this one's kind of hard to do the good, the bad,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: and stuff that gets you beat because so much of
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: it's intertwined. I thought what you saw from Drake Man
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: this game, I mean, he clearly wasn't right off the top,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: like there was something he was not locked in. He
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: was not not we're usually is mentally that that the pick.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: We've seen him hit Hunter Henry on that through a
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: number of times this year. He was able to settle in.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: And what I thought the story this game was for
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: the Patriots offense was they were still able to produce
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: explosive plays at the rate that they typically have this year.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: They're a handful of them in there. They had a
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: couple of Henry, they had the one to pop, they
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: had a couple two, or they had one of mac
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Hollins down the sideline right yep, it was the in
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: between the explosives, like I found myself called them isolated
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: explosive plays, and Mike Vrabel kind of talked about this
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: after the game, that the coaches and the players need
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: to be able to bounce back from the good as
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: well as the bad. And it just felt like what's
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: made them so effective this year. Part of what's made
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: them so effective is they've stayed ahead his schedu Well,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: something we talked to a lot about in the summer,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: like for this offense to work, you've got to be
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: in second and six, you've got to be in third
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: and three, and you've got to stay ahead of that.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: And look, they've bailed themselves out at times when they haven't,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: but yeah, they've generally done a good job I think
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: of doing that. They didn't do that in this game.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: In between the explosive plays. You didn't have the three
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: to four to five yard games just kind of carry
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: you down the field. It was a lot of nothing. Yeah,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: but then they still hit the explosives that got them
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the chunks when they needed them. So again, I hate
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: to jump ahead, but I like it's interesting when you
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: look at it in that sense from Drake May that
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: sometimes when a quarterback has an off day, the dink
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: and dunk is still there, but they don't have the
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: big play in them. This was the opposite. He's still
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: the big play in them. I think Henna in between.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: But would you say that's more rare. I've definitely seen both.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Not for a quarterback that plays like him, that's fair
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: like I think Josh Allen's that's fairy right, where like
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: with him, it's gonna be You're still gonna have some haymakers.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Like even in the Thursday night game against Houston where
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: the Bills kind of got their butts kicked, Josh Allen
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: still made some big plays. But it's the consistency throughout
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: the entire game that isn't there. It's you know, a
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: bad interception, it's you know, things like that in terms
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: of the consistency of the offense.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: And that was what you saw out of this game.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: And I want to get to some of those things
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: because I think, you know, one of the main things
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: that gave Drake May problems not you know, now we're
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: jumping ahead together one of the.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Main things that gave Drake That's how you have to
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: talk about this game.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Drake May and the Patriots offense as a whole problems
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: was blitzes you know, cover zero specifically, but also you
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: know some well timed like safety and nickel blitzes as well.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: And I think that that kind of goes back to
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: where my smalleste concerns are about these injuries on the
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: offensive line. This was one of the first games all
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: season long where I saw a defense kind of take
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: apart their protections a little bit. And to me, I
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: don't know, you know, I'm not in the angles, you know,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: meeting rooms and game plan meeting so I don't know
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: if they saw something that you know, they could manipulate
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: or you know, a tendency or something like that about
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: the way the Patriots pass protect and you know, load
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: up in terms of protection when it comes to blitzes.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what they saw that teed them
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: off to this, but they generated more free runners, you know,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: unblocked pressures in this game than any other game the
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Patriots have had all season long. Like that's a stat
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: like that is accurate facts. Yeah, So that to me
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: is something that I think it's a combination of things. One,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: it's like the old scarnekiism of like seeing the game
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: through the same set of eyes and having five guys
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: playing on a string. Well, when guys get hurt and
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: guys are in and out of the lineup, then it's
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: harder to do that, right, It's harder to have five
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: guys on the same string. Like the last third down
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: of the game, which is probably the play that Buggy
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: the most the Patriots last third down of the game,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: the runner, you know, the runner comes through the B
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: gap over Ben Brown and Vederian Low. Well, Ben Brown
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: and Vaderian Low haven't been playing and they haven't been
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: playing a lot together.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: That's I meant to say this earlier. Sorry, we were
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: talking about you know, Ben Brown and Jared Wilson. How
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: maybe that's not that much of a gap, but like, yeah, understated.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I think honestly my biggest concern with the offensive line.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Sorry to cut off. I just want to make sure
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: that's like I said. I like Ben Brown is a
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: solid player. Yeah, And Vaderian Low I do think as
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: much as he struggled last year. We talked about sometimes
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: that the group can be better than the sum of
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: its parts. I think the reverse can be true too,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: And if like the lines, if it's across the board
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: not good. It makes all the players look worse than
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: they actually are. They're in a better position out to
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: maybe help out Darien Low a little more. But the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: point I was gonna make the chemistry might be the
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: bigger concern for me than the actual like schematic element though.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they've done a great job. Look I
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: say it all the time. You're gonna have some one
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: on one losses in pass protection in the NFL, Like
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: those pass rushers are freaking beasts and they get paid
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: two and when you lining up every single week against
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: good players, like you're gonna get beat. Sometimes you can
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: live with those ones. It's the ones where you're you're
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: doomed from the snap right where the guys are coming
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: free and you know there's blitzers off the edge or
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: there's blitzers up the middle that are just unblocked.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Like, those are the ones you can't have.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: If you're gonna have like one on one losses, it's
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: gonna happen die slowly, right, so that like the quarterback
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: should be able to still have a chance on those plays,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: is my point. You know, usually you don't see a
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: ton of pressure in like under two and a half
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: seconds where the quarterback has zero chance to get rid
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: of the football. In this game, you saw a lot
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: of that, and and that was concerning. Now, I want
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: to stick with the goods and then I want to
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: break down some of that a little bit more. But
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: sticking with the goods, you know, we had Drake may
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: still have some high level throws in this game that
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: stood out a new career high for Hunter Henry one
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: hundred and fifteen receiving yards. Yeah, I thought he was
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: excellent in this game. You know, he got wide open
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: on the touchdown, but twenty eight yard touchdown. I thought
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: the thing that really got the Patriots offense going after
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: the pick six. They went to a lot of you know,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: heavy personnel. They actually ran one snap out of twenty
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: two with the full back west Over and Henry and
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Hooper on the field altogether, and then they ran a
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: lot of empty you know, empty formations, you know, running
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: back in the backfield. And they inverted the formation so
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: the outside players were Westover and Henderson and then the
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: inside players were the receivers. And so that's an inqu
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: You call that an inverted formation because you think that
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: you know, traditionally you would think it would be the
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: opposite right, that those guys would be in the backfield
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: or inside the formation and the other guys would be outside.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: So they inverted the formation and all they did was
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: consistently get Hunter Henry on these Bengals linebackers in coverage.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: And these Bengals linebackers we've talked to the tracks all
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: last week. That was the thing he kept pointing out
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: about this Bengals defense is, you know, rookie linebackers, inexperienced
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: linebackers that have struggled this year. And whether it was
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: you know, Barrett Carter, whoever it was, you know, Hunter
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Henry has beat those guys like a drum. Like he
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: was running inns, crossers, slants, you know, things like that
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: into the middle of the field against that linebacker coverage
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: and he just had a day living inside there. I
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: thought Hooper was big too. I thought he made a
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: couple of big catches in this game as well. But
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: a lot of what I felt like kind of settled
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: them down. They got into twenty one, they played right
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: under center, they started running the ball, they got the
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: tight ends involved like that was kind of what got
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: the offense into this game and settled down a bit
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: after this slow start.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's something to be said for you know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Hunter Henry's had a quieter season this year statistically. I
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: don't want to say he's had a down season because
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: he hasn't. He's still been good. The volume's just not
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: there because the last few years he's kind of been
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the only guy. Yeah, and now there's other You start
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: of Steph on Diggs, art pop Thuglis start kseh on booty,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: throw to mac Hollins, who, by the way, continues to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: make plays. Yeah, but wouldn't you know it, things get
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: a little tough off. What has Drake may do? He
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: goes right back to the security blanket, right back to
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the guy he trusts, and it speaks to Hunter Henry
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: like he hasn't had a game like that this year,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: but stayed ready when the moment came up. I think
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the veterans, Henry and I want to give Steph Diggs
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: credit to the veterans carried them. Diggs did not have
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: a very He kind of had the opposite of Henry.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: He did not have a very statistically productive game. Yeah,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: but he had a very impactful game to play. I
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: go back to him. Mike Rabel singled this out in
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: his postgame press conference. They get backed up into first
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: and twenty, like kind of back under their own goalpost,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: and he hits Henry on like an eight yard in
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: and it was going to be like a nice game.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: It was gonna set them up with a second and manageable.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: But Steph Diggs sets this great block and creates an
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: angle for Hunter Henry to run for the first down
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: like that kind of play. Thirty one year old receiver
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: has been in all pros, done everything that is doing
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: this league, steps up and sets that kind of block.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: That's part of the reason this team is where they
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: is because they have guys willing to do that. So
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: not gonna be a lot of talk about Steph Diggs
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: after a game like that. He had two catches and
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: they were big catches. He had one big third down
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: con version late in the game. But Steph Diggs deserves
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: credit for the way he played in this game. And
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you know, when you have a rough game like that,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: it's a young team, you're gonna want to lean on
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: the veterans, and that's what they did. Henry Diggs, mac
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Hollins like those guys came up big and helped get
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: him cross the finish line.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: On offense, we haven't really seen a ton of them,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: you know, being behind Lee lately. I think that was
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: the first time they.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Were being on behind Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that was
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: the first time. They haven't been in that spot that much,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: which is why I find it notable.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: I feel like that was the first time that they
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: were I think that it was since the Pittsburgh game.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Well, they've trailed a lot because they keep giving up
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: these first drive touchdowns.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Right, but they haven't been down double digits.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: They usually catch up pretty quickly.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I to see that.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: You know, you get down ten to nothing on the road,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: you throw a pick six, McDaniel's going back to under center,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: full back in the backfield like that it's still that's
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: still it, right, Like that's still the let's level this.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Thing off for Josh McDaniels.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: That that's still his his bag, Like that's still what
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: he's going to go to in those situations. And obviously
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: the tight ends are each part of that. The other
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: thing that I thought was, you know, really, uh good,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: good sign. Good thing in this game from the offensive
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: perspective them We'll move over to the defense. They're gonna
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: need this now moving forward, obviously with the backups on
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: the left side, Morgan, Moses, Garrett Bradbury, Mike on wn Who.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I thought all three of these those guys are really
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: good in this game. I only had them allowing two
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: pressures combined among the three of them in the entire game.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: On when who I thought was particularly good. I counted
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: eight plus blocks in the run game from those three guys.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: They're the starters, right like, they're the guys that have
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: been the starters all year long. Their right side is
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: still intact, their center is still intact. So they're gonna
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: need those three guys to step up and play their
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: best football without Wilson and Campbell and and kind of
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: give them a steady side of the offensive line. You know,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: if the left side gets you know, takes a little
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: bit of a step back. So I was encouraged. I
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: think on when Who was really starting to play a
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: lot better. Uh, he's kind of taken you know, He's
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: to turn it on here a little bit. I don't
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: know exactly why that is, but I thought he started
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: a little bit slow this season, and now that we're
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: getting into, you know, the later part of the season,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: he's starting to really pick it up. He had an
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: awesome backside combination block on an outside zone run that
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: was a positive play where you know, he got two
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: guys and looked really good on the play. No pressure
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: is allowed in pass protection. So I think that he's
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: starting to pick it up a little bit. And you
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: can lean on that, and I think that one thing
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: that's interesting or you know, kind of confusing. I guess too,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: like why don't they just run it behind Moses and
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: on Whney won the goal line? Like I don't really
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: understand it, like you have you have like seven hundred
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: and fifty pounds of beat right on that side of
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: the offensive line. I get like the in theory, like
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: maybe you want to run it, you know, up the
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: mill or to the left and then kind of cut
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: it back behind those guys instead of just going right
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: behind him. But when you have one yard to go,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: like just turn the turn around, hand the ball off
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: and run it right down their throats behind two guys.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: And I think on when who's probably, if we're being
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: you know, nice about it, three forty three fifty and
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Moses is probably three thirty, right, you know, so we're
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: talking about two guys that are almost to combine seven
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: hundred pounds of beef on that side.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I get not wanting to be predictable, but when you
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: have eight shots at it, right, you have to do
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: it every time. But maybe mixing it. Yeah, absolutely all right.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Moving over to the defense on the goods, a couple
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: of goods on that side of the ball. Carlon Davis.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I thought this is probably his best game as a Patriot.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I think that's pretty clear.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean the DPI was a tough call,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: and you know you'd have to mention it, but but.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: You have to love it. And he said it after
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the game. He responded like it made him bounce back,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: which is the mentality you want.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I thought he had four really high level coverage plays
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: in this game. Obviously the three pass breakups on the
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: final drive for the Bengals, but then on the pick
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: six on Marcus Jones'.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Pick six, he has the coverage.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: On T Higgins on that play, which is where Flacco
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: and Flacco starts looking down the field, he wants to
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: go to T Higgins down the field, and Carlton Davis
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: smothered the route and was all over T Higgins and
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: so he had to come off it and come to
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: the check down late, and so I thought that Carlton
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Davis was a huge part of making that pick six happen. Like,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: if Carlton Davis doesn't cover te Higgins there as tightly
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: as he did, then maybe Flacco's throwing the ball to
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Higgins on that play instead of throwing the ball in
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: the flat. So really good game I thought from Carlton
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Davis really stepped up in this game. I think I
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: still have no real I know, he's kind of been
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a lightning rod. They paid him
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: a lot of money in the offseason. I've thought that
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: he's been pretty steady for most of the season. He
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: gives up a play here or there, it's gonna happen.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: But I don't think that. I don't really have any
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: major gripes and haven't had any major gripes with Carlon Davis.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: And he's played.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: He played really well in this game.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I mean, has he like I thought he'd
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: maybe be a little better than he's been. But that
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's been bad. He's given you really good
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: you know. I think he's given you a really good
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: number two corner play. Yeah, maybe it's not the one A,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: one B we were looking for, but he's still been,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: you know, a legitimate cover corner and yeah, been waiting
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: for him to have a game like that. Glad he
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: had it. Maybe that kind of launches the second half.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I go back to, and this is an extreme example.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: You remember Steph Gilmore's first five games in New England. Yes, brutal, Yeah,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and they got hurt in at Tampa game and came
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: back and was the best corner in football for a
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: year and a half. So and not that I'm saying
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Carlton Davis is going to have this like wow dissension,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: but I yeah, I he hasn't been exactly what I
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: thought he was. Really he was really good in this game,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: especially down the stretch. I think you summed it up perfectly.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: If you had this expectation that they were going to
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: have this one A, one B, you know, two number
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: one corners kind of lineup with Carlton Davis, he probably
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: hasn't been that, but he's definitely been a solid number
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: two corner. You know, number two corners are not expected
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: to shut down their side of the field every single week.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: That's what all pro corners like Christian Gonzalez are expected
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: to do so. I think that Carlton Davis has done
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: his job on the whole this season, and I don't
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: know why there's so much criticism towards him, honestly. Next
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: one up here on defense, both Klevon Chase On and
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Christian Barmore were basically the Patriots disruption upfront. Like, those
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: two guys are the guys that were creating the most chaos.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Seven total pressures.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Barmore had a couple of run stuffs, Chason had the
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: pressure on the last play of the game on the
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: fourth down. You know he's locked a quarterback hit on
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: that play on the all out pressure. I thought those
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: two guys, you know, I was disappointed on the hole
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: with how the defensive line played in this game. But
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: those two guys continued to play well and stand out.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: And Barmore was doing it with a ton of double
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: teams without Milton Williams as well. But if they were
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: basically the pass rush, those two players were basically it.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, again, you could notice Milton Williams absence. I think
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: you notice in the game he didn't play just how
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: good he's been so.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Ye, But those who get to that after it last
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: thing here on the good side.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Uh, Kyle Williams kick returner.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I like it. Finally saw it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: I liked it.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: I think that this is a this is a role
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: for him moving forward. He had the thirty six yard return.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: That's the Patriot's longest return since uh Antonio Gibson's touchdown
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: in Week two in Miami.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: So they it looked like he looked the part. You
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: can see the speed.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Obviously, the play hits a lot faster than what it
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: did with fin chishm back there. I understand when they
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: had the injuries to create uh to Kishon Boody, that
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: they needed him on offense more. But now that all
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the receivers are healthy, uh, this is key should be
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: your primary kickoff returner moving forward. I actually think he's
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: gonna be a little bit dynamic.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Back there, and it keeps him involved and you get
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: something out of that unit. And yes, we've been talking
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: about this for weeks. I think I've been talking about
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: it since the training camp. Love that we got to
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: see it. Love that. I mean what I think doesn't
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: matter that hopefully the coaches liked it. I to me,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: he should earn an other shot. I don't know. And
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: there's one more on the special teams the good How
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: about Andy? Yeah, Andy boorgallis four for four three kicks
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: over forty yards. That fifty one yard or at the
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: end of fifty one to fifty two? Was it at
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: the end of the game? Yeah, that was massive because
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the way their defense was playing there, if the Bengals
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: it only needed to drive for a field goal or
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: if he misses it and the Bengals would have gotten
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: the ball right around the fifty right. I mean, that
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: was a massive kick. Kind of reminded me to the kick
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: at the end of the Miami game. Yeah, and he can.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: He had that little bit of a bumpy start. He's
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: been excellent since week three. Very good. You're right.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Uh, he had math favorite kicking there. By the way,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: what's up math favorite? The field goal? Interesting because the
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: other game, what was the Giants Lions game? The Giants
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: had an opportunity to kick up three to go up six,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: and there was a lot of talk in my my
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: nerd world about whether or not they should have kicked
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: or if they should have gone for it on four
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: It down out of the Patriots. I don't I don't
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: remember exactly what the down and distance was for the Giants.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: The Patriots were in a fourth and seven, so that
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: that's a far fourth down. If it was fourth and one,
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I think the math probably would have said go. But
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: fourth and seven is not a clear go by any means.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: And so it actually favored field goal in that spot.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: And you've seen this twice now down in Miami and
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: then obviously in Cincinnati, where being up six in that
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: spot instead of only being up three is a big difference.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Like that's the difference between over time or you know,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: a touchdown winning the football game either way. But it's
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: a big difference to be in that spot. So I
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: thought that was that was an interesting sort of thing there, And.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I want to add it too, just the element of it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think people realize this. So when you miss
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: a kick, the ball's not spotted at the yard line,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: the ball was on the ball spotted where the kick
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: was missed. Yeah, so when you go back to that play,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: that's a fifty two yard field goal. I gotta find
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the exact yard lines.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I don't have to do that, he was like on
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: the logo, for sure, it was Yeah, maybe the forty
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: eight three thirty three plus seventeen is fifty right, thirty
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: three plus yes, so oh no, but seven so forty yeah, yeah,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: so the Bengals would have gotten the ball on the
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: forty yard line. You saw the kick McPherson hit before
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: the aft. It was an absolute tank.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Sixty three yards. So yeah, they're what two first downs
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: away from tying that game, right if he misses that kick.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Whereas yeah, if you punt it, you might only net
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: seventeen yards or thirteen yards, but some people might say
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: with two minutes that thirteen yards is a big deal.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they should have punted. What I'm saying
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: is they clearly trust the kid. Yeah, Like, it's not
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: as simple as all right, we'll put you out there
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: to try and if you miss it, no harm nor
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: there is a massive risk if you miss that kick.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: And same same situation in Miami. So they really do
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: trust him in that situation. Yeah, absolutely.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: I just really quickly aside, because I'm not gonna mention
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: this with with the bads or the stuff that gets
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: you beast. I'll just mentioned it now. I actually didn't
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: watching it back. I didn't really mind what they did
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: at the end of the half. The kid made a
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: sixty three yard field goal. I thought that the Higgins.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I minded it. I didn't hate it.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: So they went they went with a seven defensive back
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: package and they went into prevent.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: They did.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: They went with a three man defensive line seven DB's.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: The Higgins deep in was Jalen Hawkins was standing right
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: in the window, and somehow Higgins won the ball, like
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know how, but Higgins won the ball. The
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: play was covered, and Higgins made a play. He's a
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: good player, is a really good player, and he made
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: a play on the football and Hawkins kind of got
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: you boxed out there at the catch point a little bit.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: So I don't really hate what they called in any
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: of those spots, Like, okay, you give up the twenty
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: one yard run on first down. You're kind of conceding
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: that there was like seventeen seconds or eighteen seconds left
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: in the half, so they're going to run the ball.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: You kind of let him run it there.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: And then they give up a chunk play to Higgins
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: where I thought that they had the right coverage and
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: they had the right idea, and then the guy gives
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: up it kicks a sixty three yard It was a
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: franchise record, Like, you're not gonna You're not expecting the
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: kicker to make a sixty three yard field goal in
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: that spot. So if they had given two chunks and
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: now the Bengals are kicking the field goal and it's
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: a fifty yard field goal, okay, now I'd probably get
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: on the defense. But you tip your cap when the
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: kicker makes a sixty three yard field goal.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, there's probably a better way to execute that,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: but I didn't think it was some like agree and
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: they'd probably tell you they could have execute it better,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: but I regis massive mistake.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they could have executed the Higgins play better, no doubt. Right,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: all right to the bats. So I mentioned this earlier.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Going back to the offense, the lack of answers versus
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: the Bengals blitz package was kind of shocking to me.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: This is not typical of Josh McDaniels or Drake May
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: or this Patriots offense. So the numbers, Drake May was
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: four or twelve against the blitz with a sack, but
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: more specifically, he was zero for five against cover zero.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: You know, zero completions against five zero blitzes, and really
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: none of them had a chance like he had zero
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: chance on any of the zeros like it was.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: It was really just, you know, it was free run
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: at the quarterback.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: The two plays in particular that I think stood out
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: to a lot, well three if you include the sack.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: But I think the number one thing here first is
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: just a lot of this is on Drake May's plate.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: And this was one smalleste concern I had about this
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: offense as a whole coming into the season was that
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: you have a second year quarterback that is setting protections
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: and supposed to read pre snap and you know, make
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: decisions of where the mic point is or where the
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: protection's going, and understanding where the blitz threats are and
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: the packages and studying their pressure package as much as
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: you're studying the It's a lot.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: It's a lot to put on a twenty three year
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: old kids plate.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: And I'm actually pretty surprised at how well they've done
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: it so far this season. And I'm pretty surprised that
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: it took this long for a defense to sort to
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: play some mind games with Drake May and get them
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: a couple of times, and these types of situations a
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: testament to McDaniels to May. But I also look at
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: this for other teams moving forward, especially Buffalo.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Is this the blueprint that we've heard so much about it? Right?
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Is this is this going to start to be a
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: repeat you know, blueprint type of thing, because if the
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Bengals were able to get some guys, you know, multiple
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: guys free to the quarterback. And I thought that a
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: lot of it was pre snap, a lot of it
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: was missing, you know, sliding protections and things like that.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: So you know, the first one was on the very
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: first drive of the game and he puts reminder up
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: into the line of scrimmage over the overload side to
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: pick up the blitz, and then right before the snap,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: the safety goes from over the right side to over
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: the left side, and then they overload the left side
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: instead of the right side, and the safety is just
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: unblocked over the left side. Then you know, later on
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: in the game they blitz the nickel and they have
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: a nickel blitz on that one. You know, they have
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: a cap defender, which means that behind the nickel behind
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: the slock corner, the safety is standing behind the slock corner,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: which is what's called capped, which means that most likely
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: they're blitzing because the safety is going to replace the
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: nickel in coverage. So when the nickel blitz is the
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: slock corner blitz is, then the safety is going to
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: take Stefon Diggs and replace him in the coverage. So
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: for a quarterback, that's typically a tell that that's coming
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: from that side of the field when you see the
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: cap defender.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: And Drake made that.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: They didn't slide the protection that way, and I believe
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: it was Brown. At this point, Ben Brown is blocking nobody.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: So you have you have Ben Brown and Will Campbell
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: blocking the same guy on the left side of the line,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: and nobody's blocking the blitz. So that's to me, is
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: just strategic, right, It's just moving guys around. It's the
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: chest match before the ball is snap. And then of
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: course the last third down of the game, you know
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: they let somebody through the b gap unblocked and it's
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: another pressure. So there was a lot of that going
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: on in this game. The Bengals kind of took apart
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: their protections a little bit in a way that I
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: haven't seen happened to the Patriots yet this season. So
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: this is something that they definitely need to button up
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: and get fixed because teams are going to keep doing
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: it until they prove that they can block it.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: And the issue just compounds that they're going to have
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: to do it with a new group up front, right,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: and that's going to make it that the communication that
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: side that much tougher. Yep. Absolutely.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: The other thing that was a little bit disappointing in
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: this game to me was the interior run defense, and
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: as a whole, just the pass rush and the disruption.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: I think the number one word I would use is disruption.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: They just weren't making a ton of plays on the
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: other side of the line of scrimmage in this game,
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: or at the line of scrimmage for that matter. So
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: the Bengals only got stuffed twice on runs in this game.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: They had twelve successful runs to two stuffed runs the
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: entire game. I also charted the pressure rate before the
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: final drive and half or the final drive, So before
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: the Bengals final drives. In their first nine possessions of
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: this game, the Patriots only had Joe Flacco under pressure
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: on fourteen point eight percent of his dropbacks. Now that
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: skyrocketed on the last drive. It was fifty percent on
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: the Bengals, you know, game winning drive attempt. So that's
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: gonna push those numbers up for the entire game. But
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: to me, it's kind of fugazi. It's a little bit
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: inflated because it really came at the end of the
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: game where they're sending all out pressure and they're they're
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: heating Flacco up at that point. So the big stats
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: that stood out to me fourteen point eight pressure eight
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: if you take out the last drive of the game
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: for Cincinnati. They also allowed three yards per rush before
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: contact in this game. That was the second highest mark
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: in the NFL in Week twelve. The only team that
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: had it worse than the Patriots run defense. You want
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: to take a guess last week, This is an easy
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: one if you think about it again, the only team
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: that gave up more rushing yards before contact than the
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Patriots this week in Week twelve was the New York
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Giants right against Detroit. Okay, so the Giants right now
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: are historically bad run defense. That's not company you want
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: to be in because with the Giants.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: You've seen that chart. You know, I don't like the charts.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: There's one chart where they had to explain the chart
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: to fit the Giants.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: And so you don't want to be part of that
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: chart with the Giants. So I just thought that they
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: were a little soft up the middle in this game. Defensively.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: I didn't like seeing that. You know, they're gonna need
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: more from Dirden, from Gregory, from Farms. You know, maybe
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Farmers active this week after being inactive in Cincinnati. They're
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: just gonna need more from that group. You know, Barmore
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: can't do it all by himself, and and Tongo will
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: hopefully come back healthy and he'll be available. But I
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: thought that that was something that really stood out in
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: this game. Just the lack of Milton Williams was so
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: obvious in this game, you know, the disruption.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Let's start Tonga in there too, because he didn't play
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: a lot. And and again we talked about last week,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: like they have the depth to fill in for Milton Williams,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: and part of that was Tonga. Then you lose him too,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: is very apparent they didn't have those guys.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, last thing here, and then we'll go on
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: to the stuff that gets you beat. I just don't
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: like seeing Christian Gonzalez get beat by Mitchell Tinsley.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: No, I don't look credit to Tinsley was a great release.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much Gonzal studied him during the week,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: but yeah, you don't want to see that.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's not like something that I'm
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: going to kill him for. It's the first touchdown he's
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: given up all year, by the way, in coverage and
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Mitchell Tinsley like some of the guys he's faced this year,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Drake London, you know t Higgins in this game for
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: most of it and you get beat by Tinsley. That
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: that was tough to watch. You don't like to see
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: that from your number one corner. Now to the stuff
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: that gets you beat. Let's talk about the pick six.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: So I think that what's being under discussed with the
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: pick six was that this was like a trick formation
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: that they ran. It was kind of a trick play
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: that they ran in this game. On the pick six,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: they only had four offensive linemen blocking for me, right,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: they like faked a screen.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: So they had Ben Brown, who was in the game
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: at this point. This was an eligible situation. He was
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: at left guard. He was the left guard they had,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: you know the best way to say this, Hunter Henry
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: was playing left tackle on this play.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: They did the the who man yeah, you know, eligible
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: moved the formation.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: So Hunter Henry's playing left tackle. Ben Brown is out
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: on the perimeter with Trayvon Henderson offering a screen. I
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: don't know if he if the screen, if this was
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: just a decoy thing and they always wanted to throw
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: the seam to Henry, or if they were going to
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: throw the screen and May saw the that Henry flashed
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: up the seam and he just tried to take it.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I couldn't tell you, you know,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: I'd have to ask. I don't know which one it was,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: but it was a tricky formation that my guess is
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: that we won't see for a while because of how
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: it was. And it's open. It's there. You know, he's
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: gonna have to layer it in there, but it's in there.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: And he just airmailed it, you know, he does air
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: mailed it. Sailed it and if you sail it over
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: the middle and this league, it's going back the other
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: way nine times out of ten.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Right, So it's a combination of factors, you know.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: I think that, you know, the simplest way to put
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: it is he just he sailed the ball.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: He airmeld the throw.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: But I would also say that there was a little
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: bit of trickery on the play that kind of was
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: a unique formation, And I just don't know if they
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: needed that in this game, Like maybe if they had
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: practiced it more and they pulled it out in a
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: playoff game like it. You know, I always go back
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: to the twenty fourteen Ravens, you know, playoff game when
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: they were down by two scores and they needed to
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: pull something out of their butts.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: That was not this spot. So he throws the pick six.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Bad throw.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Probably not the best formation or play to call in
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: that spot, especially backed up there like they were.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: And that was it.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't really have anything else to add
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you have anything else to add about.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: It just wasn't a good throw.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe they were trying to set up they wanted to
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: throw the seams so they could come back and throw
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: that screen.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah later down the road. Who knows, sure can but
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: can't be throwing pick sixes. It's his first pick six
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: of his career. By the way, I should put that
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: out there so you know it doesn't happen all the
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: time to Drake May.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: It's not like a problem a repeat.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Problem, all right, the last thing here.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: And then we're before we take the break, we got
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: we gotta break down whatever the heck happened on the
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: goal line, Like, yes, so this was this was just
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: it was kind of crazy to watch it back because
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: of how many opportunities they had to score and they
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: still couldn't score. Like they had at least four or
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: five plays in the first sequence, but that should have
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: been touchdowns. So I don't necessarily panic about it because
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: I think this was all execution.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I really do. I don't think this was anything the
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Bengals did.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: I counted at least four plays that were there for
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: touchdowns that for some reason did not end up in
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: touchdowns in this game. On the goal line, so you
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: had the four yard little swing pass to Travon Henderson.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: I can't remember if it was first or second down,
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: but I said this yesterday. I would like to see
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Travon Henderson Marstown make the guy miss there and get
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: into the end zone like you're one on one in
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: space with a linebacker, your scap back, your speedback, like
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: make a cut and get upfield and get in the
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: end zone. Right, you have space out there, make a
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: play like maybe Drake may could have put the ball
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: on him a little bit faster to help him, but
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: I still think he had time to kind of like
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: break down, you know, size the guy up and make
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: a little shimmy and get into the end zone. You'd
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: like to see your you know, explosive rookie running back
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: score on that little swing pass. Then the next one,
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Drake May is coming out from underneath center. They run
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: a little play action play. Hunter Henry's open on the
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: corner route. They bite, they got it, and Drake May
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: gets tripped, gets stepped on whatever you want to call it,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: coming from underneath center, stumbles out and he can't get
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: the ball out on time. So then that play gets
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: wiped out. Then you get the Hunter Henry touchdown that
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: got nullified by the offensive pass interference. So now I'm
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: at three of plays that I think they could have
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: scored on, and then you get to the fourth down
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: play where I think Drake May had an r PO
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: and probably made the wrong read on the r PO
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: and it probably should have been a touchdown to Hunter
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Henry in the flat. So they ran I think it
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: was what eight plays from inside the five yard line.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: I think they ran, yeah, six or seven fix from
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: one six from the one, and I just rattled off
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: four different plays that were there for touchdowns that they
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: didn't score on. Right, So to me, that's an execution problem, right, Like,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: that's not a tip the cap to the Bengals.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: They got one on you.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I mean it's a little bit of both. But yeah, no,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: you get eight tries and they kept getting back down,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Like they get the OPI, they get pushed out to
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: the eleven. Next play, boom, they're back down on the one.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: That nice little shovel pass Hunter Henry. So yeah, you
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: got you just got to score there. You got to
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: score and they got to figure something out with the
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: quarterback sneak because they've been a good quarterback sneak tam. Yeah.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: So then the second one, you know, the second thing
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: they get pushed back, you know, they get Hunter Henry
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: and then.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Oh no, that was the first drive that they got.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: The second one was just three and then they came.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think they only got down inside the
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: one or inside the five on second down. I think
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: they got down there on first down, and then they
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: had second and third down from the one, right, and
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: they got stuffed on second down. They actually gained a
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: few yards on second down, but Henderson literally got it
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: to like the they kept getting tackled at the one
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: yard Yeah, they literally got tackled at like the half
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: yard line. I don't even think it was just the
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: one and then they obviously have the sneak and then
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: were able to elected the kick on fourth down, so
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: you know, not not good.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Well, it's the right decision to kick there though.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: I think so too, even though the math would.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Have gone, well, does the math factoring you just got
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: stopped eight times earlier in the game, and you might
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: And this is this is why it feeling.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: This is why Rabel and Stretcher are such a good combination,
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: because Rabel's got enough of the feel and stretches the MAK.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: So this is why you got why it works. Because
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: this is my whole thing about Dan Campbell's going. I
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: don't want to I don't want to do the rail
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: against the analytics thing. But this is where to your point,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: I think this is why they've had success because they
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: manage it. They don't let it either be all end
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: all and it's hey, yeah, the math says go, but
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: look at what happened earlier in the game. We need
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: to leave with points here. Yeah they did that.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, I was perfectly fine with that.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: But it just wasn't going well down there, right.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: As Rabel said on Monday, you're gonna you're not gonna
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: win a lot of games if you can't score from
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: inside the five yard right. And I think the bigger
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: thing you know to me is you know along those lines,
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but I'm gonna run it in from the
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: one kind of guy. If you can't get a yard
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: in this league on the goal line to run it
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: in on three or four tries like, then you have problems.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: You have problems up front.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: And you.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Said because I think a lot of people sorry to
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: cut off, but I think a lot of people want
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: the creativity, right.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: They want maybe you know, they want bootleg.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: May or they want a motion, or they want to
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: bubble or like something creative right in that spot that
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: goes beyond just we're gonna line up in the eye
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: and we're gonna run it down your throats. To me,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: the best teams can line up in the eye and
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: run it down your throats when you need all the
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: bells and whistles to get it in down there. I
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: don't think you're all that great.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: This is where they missed having to fall back. I'll
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: just add to that. I don't love the shotgun run
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: on the goal line unless it's that direct snap play
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: they've run, yeah, in playoff games to Kevin Falk and
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: James White over the years. A little surprised they didn't
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: go to that. Like there's two McDaniel staples down there,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: if you want to get creative, like you said, the
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: bells and whistles, there's the direct snap for the running back,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: which they didn't do right. And then are you surprised
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: they didn't go back to the return route at any
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: point after Booty got held a little bit. I mean
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: maybe because he loves that play down there, but it also.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Like it wasn't even really that open, uh, you know,
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: because he got a help. I know, but I don't
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: love that on fourth down. I didn't love that call.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: That was the one call I didn't really like because
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: it's the reason why I don't really like it on
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: fourth down is because it's a one read throw.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: So like, if that's not going back.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: To any point, I mean, they had four more plays after.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: That, Yeah, they could have, you know that. I I
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: just want to you got to be able to block
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: a yard. And Rabel's whole big thing is, you know,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: finish with your guy in the end zone like that.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: That's his like rallying cry. That's his like coaching parlance,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: and like that to me is the bit is the
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: end all be all we can talk about, you know,
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: all these bells and whistles, all these creative emotions or
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: return routes or boot legs or whatever. When you need
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: a yard, can you get a yard?
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: And they're they're run blocking right now has not been
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: good enough in short yardage.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: They need to improve there.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: And I'd also put a little bit on the running
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: backs like Ramondra Stevenson, you're two hundred and twenty seven pounds,
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: like lower your shoulder and get into the end zone,
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: you know, like run through the guy's face and get
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: into the end zone. And I think, you know, it
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: is frustrating to me a little bit to watch, you know,
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: these running backs get like stood up on the half
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: yard line, like you know, have a little push right,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: get your shoulder pads down.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: And get in the end zone.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: So as much as that you can harp on the blocking,
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: and the blocking is a big part of it. I
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: think that's a part of it too. Now they didn't
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: tongue it down there. I think that's that's a big miss. Yeah,
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: that that's a big element of it as well. All right,
• 54:59
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  Speaker 2: So what the heck is this hard count thing?
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: So this is like, can you tell me this is
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: like a new trend online. I didn't think you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: want to do this.
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  Speaker 2: I do because I just want to make fun of it.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: So there's like these this goofy thing online where where
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: guys are out and there hanging out and you just
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: you're out with the poise hit the hard count. And
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: there's like videos on YouTube of people trying to get
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: other people to jump or like there's this one account
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: where they line up in front of like an ananimate object.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: There's one of a guy trying to get like a
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: pickup truck to jump off sides or a Walmart. And
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: so it came up because we were talking about the
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: giants and I don't know if you saw Cam Scattapo
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: the other night trying to get his chat to jump
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: off sidees like the chat that was watching his lives.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Cam Scattaboy's gotta worry about it, and he started he
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: started hitting the hard count. I've texted you about the
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: hard count. I think you jumped. I texted you a
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: hard count and you say you didn't jump, but I
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: think you jumped. I think I think the real reason
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: you hate this is because you don't have a good
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: hard count. And you know, the real reason why I
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: hate this is because you people are so corny because
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: it's fun.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: Just relax, like, my goodness, let's her hard count. No,
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: I'm not hard counting. There's no no, I'm not doing it.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: And this is just like this all bothers me. Like
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: everything you just said bothered me, Like the hard count thing,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: like what are we twelve years old?
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: It's like doing like in middle.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: School, okay, and we're not at football practice. You don't
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: play football.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I know you all want to be in
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: the NFL.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: You're not.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not You're not. No one is in this situation.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: The hard count is lame. Please stop doing it. Also,
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: the second thing I would say about this is just
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: like I just can't believe, like you know, the whole culture,
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: like you just when you're out with the boys and
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: you know you just got a hard count, like.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: What like a pillow truck to jump off side? Come on,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: it doesn't really work without this. It's horrible.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: That's Horrible's your hard count?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: No? Absolutely, not.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: All right, that's as much fun as I'm allowed to have.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: That was that was two minutes of fun. It was
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: I just don't lot of fun. Yeah, I enjoy those videos.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: I think my side on this right like this is,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: this is lame, like this.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: Is I'm sweets man. I don't take sides like this.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: I just you. You couldn't get anybody to jump off
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: sides give a week hard count. I think that's the problem.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: And that's like I'm supposed to be like humiliated by that,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: like you clearly are.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Because you won't embrace this this fun thing that people do.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: It's not because it's it's not fun. I don't understand
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: how what's fun about it? Like this is unbelievable in
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: a hard count? All right, let's get to the phones.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: These guys have been waiting on hold for a while.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Or are you afraid you would jump?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: Is that?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Or you're not disciplined? What you're gonna get? You're afraid
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: you jump off sides?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not afraid. Do you do you think I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: would jump off sides?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: I listen, I never jumped off sides, never once in
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: my life because I was too slow to jump off side,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: So that's what it wouldn't matter. Nate is in Connecticut.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: What's up, Nate?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: Hey, guys, can you get through?
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we got you all right.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 9: I got a couple of.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: Thoughts for you guys. First off, you know, the connection
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: between May and Campbell, their chemistry this season on and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: off the field has been like unmatched to probably any
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: quarterback left tackle duo in the league. Then to have
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: Campbell gone, first, I guess it's not season endings. That's good,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: So he'll probably be gone for some weeks, but it's
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: definitely gonna be definitely going to take a toll on May.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 9: So it could be hard to.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: Get some stuff going in the offense. So I think
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: could be a good idea to bring back Marcus Jones
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: on the offense. You know, when he was on the offense,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: he was able to get some stuff going and I
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: really like that. And you know, if the Darian Lowe
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: and Ben Brown are going to be on the line,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: might be a little hard to get some stuff going
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: that they were able to get going earlier in the season.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: And yeah, uh, And then second off, you know, Evan,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: we all we all want to hear it. Give us
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: your hard count.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Nope, thanks Nate. The people want it.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: But Nate, Nate, I can understand these these grown men
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: that are doing this in like the middle. He's I know,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: he's not.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Somebody's got to call in in hard count.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Wasn't a knock on, Nate.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: I yeah, they're gonna see it coming. Now, you're gonna
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: see it coming, but we need somebody call it in
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: hardcount to see if you jump. I don't think Marcus
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Jones on offense helps a lot of what's wrong right now.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: I could see what he's saying, like if you get
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: him in the screen game and things like that, you know,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: with a bad offensive.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm not saying it hurt. But I don't.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: I think he's got a lot on his place.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: He's right, he's very important them defensively and in the
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: punt return game on special teams. You should be able
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: to whatever you were gonna do with Marcus Jones, you
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: should be able to do with Pop Douglas.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: So I I hear Nate though, and I said it
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: earlier in the show.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: I think the big thing about this.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: Moving forward, I think what you're going to see a
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: lot of is those max protect play actions. You know,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: let's get under center, Let's run the football, let's play.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: Action off the run.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't think that Vederian Lowe Darien low
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: is probably a downgrade in both pass pro and run
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: block and compared to Will Campbell, Ben Brown might be
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a better run blocker than Jared Wilson,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: just because he's a little nastier. Like Jared Wilson's a
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: very athletic, very graceful player. Ben Brown I think might
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: have a little bit more power, a little bit more SNAr,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: a little bit more size for sure, just from a
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: measurable standpoint. So I think you get under center, you
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: run the football, and then when you play action, you
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: know you can leave seven guys in. You know you
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: can leave you know a go six to zero line,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: which I think they might do in this game against
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: the Giants to help out against you know, Burns and
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: Carter on the edge.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: You know, you go six o line.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: Now you put two olignement on one on one of
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: those guys, you know, things like that, and then that's
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: how you're going to try to push the ball down
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: the field. Once you get into the drop back game
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: and you get into shotgun, you do have the advantage
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: obviously of me being able to move around, which is
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: which is helpful. But when you talk about like their
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: base early down offense, I think you're going to see
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: a lot of two three man route concepts with hard
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: play action underneath center. Maybe move the pocket a little
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: bit more than they have been lately, and I think
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: that's how they're going to try to piece this whole
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: thing together.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Ben is in Philly.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: What's up, Ben?
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: Hello? Hey, what's up?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 9: Ben?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 10: Hey? Just kind of a question for you guys, kind
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 10: of leaning towards special teams after that gaming Miami SCE
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 10: and you know, Antario Gibson and understand go off. I
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 10: don't know, I feeling a little bit disappointed. That might
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 10: not be the right word, just with a hund return unit.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 10: Just wondering what you guys are kind of seeing, you know,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 10: is that we're not getting enough defenders on their gunners
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 10: on the outside or they're just really popping them up
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 10: so Jones can't get a speak going. And I'll take
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 10: that off there.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: Thanks.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: I mean they haven't They had the big game against
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: Carolina early in the year at the two punt returns
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: and I don't know if it's been as dynamic now.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: Marcus Jones is one of the best punt returners in
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: football and everybody knows it.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: He's fifth in yards per return.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's probably an element of it as well.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: But I, like I said earlier in the show, and
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: I think you're in agreement, I'm looking forward to seeing
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: Kyle Williams return more more kickoffs. I think that's gonna
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: ye remake that play dynamic like it was when they
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: had Gibson and Henderson back there to start the year.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: I think that that could go a long way of
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: trying to get some hidden yards on special teams. Also,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: big time knock on wood. When I say this, there's
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: like a it's an epidemic, right, That's what it's called,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: when it's like a big thing that's happening. Widespread epidemic, epidemic, epidemic, epidemic,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: Like I'm just saying the right word, like, yeah, like pandemic.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah right, Yeah, there's one of those going on with
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: block kicks in the NFL this year, and knock done
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: with the Patriots have not had a blocked kick punt
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: or fields talked about.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: I think it's something they're very, very aware. Well, it's like,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's happening every week, So every week. There's
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: at least part of the reason it's happening. The kickers
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: are so much better. Teams are kicking longer and longer
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: field goals. When you kick a long field goal, their
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: trajectory is lower, so it's easier to block. So the
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: rise in block kicks in part. It's not all of it.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: There's been some shorter kicks a block too, Yeah, but
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: part of it has been teams are attempting longer kicks,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: which are easier to block. That's epidemic epidemic. So an
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: epidemic is it's technically different than a pandemic, but they
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: mean similar things.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, close enough, get into some of these emails.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: This one, how you like this and this one from Justin.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: An epidemic is when a disease spreads in a specific area.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: A pandemic is across multiple Okay.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Well, this is very specific to a lot of field
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: goals getting blocked.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Well, no, I think it might be because an epidemic
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: goal is only a couple teams of panstrick point, it's
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: the whole league.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's been like crazy this year.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: Subject line to this email outs Evan's alerted to fun
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: which is something that you have said about me for
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: probably our entire friendship. Evan must have called the fun
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: police the way he's beating up on the hard count trend.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: Come on and cut loose and have some fun. Saying
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: that I called the fun police is also, you know,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: very corny.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: But here, Actually, if you got in here and you
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: got like Paul and Fred to try do the hard.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: Count, I feel like that's something Fred would do, because
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: Fred's all for the bid to do it.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Hard count. Well, this is like
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: the first I'm hearing of the hard count. What is
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: the hard count? It's when the quarterback goes the line
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: and gives a bunch of dummy signals try to get
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: the other team to jump off sides.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers is probably the best hard Aaron Rodgers is
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: in the history of the league.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Gotcha okay, okay?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: He gives a little hut hut, and then they all
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: see that was a weak. Well, I'm not gonna do
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: it like I'm doing it now. As a way to
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: explain it to that might be your hard count.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: We're not doing this. I'm gonna get you to do it.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you to do it. Okay.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: A couple of questions about left tackle in the chat.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: Here in the emails, I should say, uh, the guy
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: they got from Cleveland. I'm assuming he's talking about Munford
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: or Marcus Bryant. If Vederian Lowe struggles. So Marcus Brian's
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: an interesting one because he played left tackle in college,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: played left tackle last year at Missouri with Membu on
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: the right side, Are you thinking at all that? I
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: still think it's gonna be low But I guess the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: question is is like, how short of a leash does
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: low have?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I think short. Since they have an extra will
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: they kind of have an extra day to get ready
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: for this game? I guess they're probably they're not gonna
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: practice on Thursday, right, They're off on Thursday.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Assume no, it's Wednesday, Friday, Saturday this.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: So because of Thanksgiving? Yeah, I mean I think a
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: relatively quick, quick pull. Now, whether it's Mumford or Bryant
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: would be the question. Yeah, because remember Mumford was here
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: yep for a couple of weeks early in the season,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: so he may have the playbook, he should have the
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: playbook down a little bit. And was he working at
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: left tackle a right tackle when he was here. We
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: don't know. Like if they just feel like he's more
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: ready to step into left tackle specifically, and he's a
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: true swing tackle, then maybe they give it to him.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: But I don't think they're gonna score around with Drake
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: May's blindside. I don't now they're gonna give low help.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna hang them out to dry.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: But if it's not working, I do think they'd make
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: a change.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I think it's gonna be
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: a couple games.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: So and so.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: Diana Russini, I guess has a report on Will Campbell.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: That's said it's at least four weeks. So the thing
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: I'd say about Bryant too, that people really want to
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: see Brian. Look, I get it, you want to see
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: what he can do. Like, they drafted this kid, and
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: let's let's find out. It's see how many he didn't
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: take a lot of reps at left tackle in the summer,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: did he, Marcus.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Bryant, Yeah, a little bit, but not a lot. And
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: they've kind of been working him as the right tackle right.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: That's I wonder how much work he's gotten on the
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: left side. There was something I was thinking where he's
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: like Low's been there, he probably hasn't had a ton
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: of time over there. So even if they want to
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: go to him, and they'll probably started this week because
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: he's all right. If if Low's you bet you're now
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: you're starting left tackle, right, Bryan's probably your backup. Yeah,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: it'll be so he's going to get and then maybe
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: it's Kane Wallace at right tackle or that's where Mumford is.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, it's probably going to
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: be a little bit of a ramp up to get
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: him ready to go in there if you need him.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: I wonder it could.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: It's been pretty clear from the jump, and I said
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: this yesterday on you that I do think that Bryant's
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: play style, body type in the McDaniel system fits more
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: the right side on the left side. But I do
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: wonder also, you know kind of related. You know, Morgan
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Moses is thirty four years old.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: I think best case.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: Scenario when you draft a guy in the seventh round,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: if he's if he's a solid swing tackle, if he's
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: a solid third tackle, Adrian Waddall.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: You made a good draft pick.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: Asking him to be like the air to Morgan Moses
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: is probably pretty hefty, you know, pretty high bar, but
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: still like that's the spot. You know, Campbell's going to
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: be at left tackle for the next ten years, you know, right,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: So that's the spot that you look at that maybe
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: there could be an opening down the line. So a
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: combination of you know, getting him maybe as seeing him,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: you know, work behind Moses, Like could he be the
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: right tackle of the future. We know Campbell's going to
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: be over there on left side, so I think that
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: he's probably worked mostly at right tackle in practice, but
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: he has played left tackle a lot in college.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: So Marcus Bryant thirty four and five eighths cinch arms,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: he's a big dude. He's like six'. Eight, yeah, yeah
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: he's a big. Boy the dear low thirty five and
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: a half loong.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: Arms maybe that'll help him. Out, well we were told
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: that that that's the only thing that. Matters do you
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: want to take a little bit of a victory wrap
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: here with?
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Something what you?
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: KNOW i love a good victory and THEN i and
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: THEN i have a real QUESTION i want to ask
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: after this from the. Emails this is From tom And,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: maine just wondering if this was just a fever DREAM
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: i had or were there are actually people In New
• 1:12:21
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• 1:12:25
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• 1:12:27
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• 1:12:31
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• 1:12:33
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• 1:12:34
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• 1:12:37
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• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: the high.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: Road but it's been pretty rough FOR jj. McCarthy a
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: it's BEEN i feel for the.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: KID i don't want to like take a victory lap
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: on a twenty one year. Old it's going through. It
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: it's going through. IT i mean he's like it's.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Football it's not like you're like, Victory like he's not
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: going through. It, well, no he's.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: Concussion, okay, fine but you know What i'm, Saying, like
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: it's not like you're not it's it's just wild when
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: you look at and when he got, Drafted i'd said
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: at the, time like that's a pretty good spot for
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: him to go and if he's gonna succeed Anywhere between
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: O'Connell and, NOW i know their offensive line's been banged,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: up but that offensive line And Justin jefferson and, like
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: it's it's just a lot of what what we talked
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: about leading into the, draft and maybe he figures it
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: out down the. Road he's very, young and we've seen
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: guys have this kind of career. Resurgence this is the
• 1:13:25
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• 1:13:27
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• 1:13:30
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• 1:13:32
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• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: of me On Felgrin maz saying THAT jj McCarthy Is
• 1:13:37
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• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: YET i am. EXCITED i am excited to See Max.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: BROSMER i do kind of Like Max. BROSMER i liked
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: him a little bit in the. Draft, NO i liked
• 1:13:47
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• 1:13:49
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• 1:13:51
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• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: APPY jj, McCarthy i don't. KNOW i liked him in the.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: DRAFT i liked him as kind of a project backup.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Quarterback he obviously, played he played. Well we saw him
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: against The patriots in the. Preseason, yeah that was somebody
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: we were talking about when we were wondering About Josh,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: dobbs if they need another, backup you, know if he got,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: cut if he'd be an. Option BUT i do like,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: UH i do Like. Brosmer i'm interested to see What
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: brosma is gonna. Do SO i think the biggest hell
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: he's gonna Be Tom. Brady but, RIGHT i haven't a full.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: DISCLOSURE i have, not you, know, actually FOR i wouldn't
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: have any reason. TO i haven't watched or you, know
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: STUDY jj McCarthy on film at. All but the things
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: That i've seen or that some of the cut ups
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: and some of what people are saying that do Study
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: vikings tape are saying is, that you, know he's having
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: a lot of trouble reading coverage and specifically reading. Leverage
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: you know a lot of, uh you, know we talk
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: about coverages like cover, One cover, two cover, three but
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: a lot of reading coverage from a quarterback perspective is
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: just reading the body positioning of the. Defender, Right so
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: the defender is sitting, inside then the route's going to break,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: outside and you should know with anticipation that that's going to,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: happen and you're going to have an open area of the.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Field you, know it's called reading.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: Leverage you know the defender is sitting outside the route
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: and you know that the receiver is gonna run a,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: slant then, you in, theory should have an easy throw
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: there away from the defender's. Leverage so when you watch
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: McCarthy a lot on, tape you know he doesn't really
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: see those leverage opportunities as quickly as he, should and
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: so that leads to throws that shouldn't really be tight
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: window throws becoming tight window Throw it's.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: That and then to, me everything's a fastball and people
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: talk about his arm.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: Strengthening these go hand in hand BECAUSE i don't think
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: he's throwing with. Anticipation so what he's trying to do
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: is he's trying to make up for the lack of
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: anticipation with just throwing the ball as hard as he.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Can, yeah he doesn't really have a touch, throw and,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: look these are things that can be, coached that can be. Fixed,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: again he's a young guy and maybe he figures it,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: out it's probably gonna have to be outside Of minnesota
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: at this. Point but, oh you're.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Already you're already having The vikings move.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: On we're already. There it's a you're going to need a.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: Quarterback SO i don't, know but, LIKE i don't think
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: O'Connell's gonna if he can't get it. DONE i don't
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: think O'Connell's gonna waste. TIME i don't think O'Connell doesn't
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: seem like the kind of coach that would do the,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: obligatory mean to give them another year because you drafted.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Me you also memories going in a year.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: Three O'Connell needs needs his Brock party because this is
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: this is what happened With Trey lance and Brock.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: Party is it Mac?
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: JONES i don't, know but he just needs his no
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: like it might, be but he doesn't have. That he
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: doesn't Have Black purty.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Yet, look he Needs maybe he could Get brocket if
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: The niners really Like Mac. Jones he needs that, guy
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: and then that's one of The niners quarterbacks is on
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: The vikings next year would be pretty.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: High, yeah all, right here comes another question from DON
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: i want to talk a little BIT afc playoff picture
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: and before we preview The giants, Game so right, now you,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: know how do you see the basically simple, question how
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: do you see THE afc seating shaking? Out he thinks
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: The patriots win in The east is almost a. Lock
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: it isn't not mathematically over by any. Means it's getting
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: pretty close in terms of The patriots.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: When they win this. Week if The patriots beat The, giants.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: They could clinch the division against both no.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Matter What buffalo does against The. Steelers that's a hat
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: AND t shirt. Game, yes, okay? Yes is? It do
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: they can they clinch the playoffs this? Week or is
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: it one and the? SAME i haven't seen any eleven
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: wins they would. CLINCH i haven't seen any clinching. Scenarios
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: it feels like we're getting, there. Though come out On. Tuesdays,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: yeah SO i.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: DIDN'T i didn't see. Those i'm starting to see.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Teams what's the reverse of a. Clinch we're starting to
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: see teams.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: Eliminated, yeah The giants are, eliminated and THE i think
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: The giants are eliminated and it's just The.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Giants how are The titans not? Eliminated they're one in
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: ten because their division leader is how are they not?
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Eliminated i'm on THE nfl website right. Now is the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: k the case is knocked? Out, oh knocked out of
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: division title. Contention The giants can. Playoffs The titans can
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: only go seven to. Ten that's not Making there's three
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: seven win wild card teams right. Now that's. Why, okay,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: yeah you're, Right so like there's STILL i go in
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: the playoff machine and try to.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: So they they're gonna get eliminated this. Week so right,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: now just you, know reading off the standings really. Quickly
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: The patriots have an extra. Game but The patriots are
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: number one seed right? Now, Denver, Indye, baltimore The Lack,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: Jacksonville buffalo is your top Seven Kansas city, Right New, England, Denver, Indy,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: baltimore The Chargers Jackson.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Bellway what'd you call The chargers? Lack don't, know but
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: that's not a thing you want to talk. About, Cringey,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: no that's so much all the. Time i've never heard.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: That don't do that. Anymore, wow that's bad. Fight so
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: The rams the Lar, yeah this Is Paul perrillo with.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: Him i've never heard. That, YEAH i don't love.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: That, Anyways, yeah, Clearly so here we. Go so The
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: patriots call him, lack not the. Lack, okay The patriots
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: are the one seed with the extra game and before
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: their bye week, here But DENVER i think currently still
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: has the tie breakers over The patriots IF i think
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: it's conference and THEN i think it's strength of victory
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: If i'm not.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: Mistaken is the next, one which.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: Is, Yes so right now they are Both, no there's
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: common games in there, too oh.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: RIGHT i don't know if how many common games, it
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: but they're both six and two in the. Conference and
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: The broncos have a better strength of, victory but it
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: is currently than The. Patriots it is, close and The
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: patriots and The chiefs Are. Broncos so basically that's where we're.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: At if the playoffs sort of start the day of
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: The patriots will of course have the. Bye BUT i
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: think the more interesting thing to me is that if
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: they do fall down to the two seed Once denver
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: plays a game, in The patriots.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Don't in terms of the tie.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: Breakers you're looking at a situation NOW i, think you,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: know Maybe jacksonville falls off, here but you're looking at
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: a situation where a team Like, Buffalo.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: Houston Or Kansas city is going to be that seventh.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: Seed AND i have been kind of projecting this whole
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: time That buffalo would be the top wildcard BECAUSE i
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: have respect For buffalo AND i think they'll be the
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: best wildcard team in terms of their. Record but as
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: of right, now after they lost to The, texans they're
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: seven and four and they're the seventh seed right now
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: in THE. Afc how do you see this whole thing shaking?
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: OUT i think the number one team THAT i don't
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: know if they will hold on looking at it Is.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: JACKSONVILLE i just don't Trust. Jacksonville jacksonville's weird And Trevor
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: lawrence has just not been particularly. Great so IF i
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: had to, guess one Of houston Or Kansas city might
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: Jump jacksonville by the end of this, While.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw this. Out SO i was playing
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: around with THE Espn playoff machine a little. Bit, yeah
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: the first and second seed could come down to The
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: cults are really tough schedule down stretch Of patriots And.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Broncos remember last year with the or two years ago
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: with the draft, stuff we were cheering for like random
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: games because it impacted the strength of, schedule that same
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: thing might. Happen LIKE i just flipped A Jet saints
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: game and it changed, Something so that's gonna be a.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Thing who DO i think is gonna fall out? THERE i,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: mean if, anybody The jaguars And chargers both, could like
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: do you end up with a wild? Card That's, Buffalo
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: houston And Kansas. CITY i think those are probably the
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: three best.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: TEAMS i just don't know if the way the schedule
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: is in the fact That Kansas city's margin For arabat
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: is basically zero at this, point you, know do they
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: have that ability TO i don't think they have to
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: run the table, necessarily BUT i think they have five
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: games left or six games, left five games, left they
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: have to go what four and, two five and, one
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: like they're NOT i think they could trip.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: Up, once but they're gonna have to mostly run the.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: Table Bill's Texans.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: CHIEFS i think the team most likely to miss as The.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: CHIEFS i think the team most likely to go on
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: a late run here and really climb up Is. Houston,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: yeah The bills are kind of in the. Middle Now
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: i'll ask you, This, okay those are because that's right,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: now it's there's kind of a. Gap so you have
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: the three wild card teams are seven and, Four, Houston,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: Pittsburg Kansas city are six and, five and then No.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Gate no team is within two games of that. Group,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: yeah that being, said do you put any stock Into
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Joe burrow being back and The bengals lurking as a.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Threat now they have The, Ravens, Bills, Ravens, Dolphins, Cardinals.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: Browns not a, lot not a.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: LOT i think that they're they're two. BURIED i don't
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: know now If burrow plays that. Game SO i hear
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of this, too that If burrow, plays The
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: patriots lose or If chase, plays The patriots. Lose like to,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: ME i think that's hard to do because it's a
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: butterfly effect of like are The patriots more locked?
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: In like do they play the game? Differently like you,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: know when It's.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: Chase Of beaconsalz the Way Mitchell tinsley, did.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: It's hard to get up for a game against a
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: banged Up Joe flacco and No Jamar. Chase If Joe
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: burrow And Jamar chase are playing in that game On,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: sunday that's a totally different.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: Feel like it's a totally different. Game SO i hate
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: playing that sort of.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: Game AND i just think with The, bengals like on the,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: WHOLE i don't know if their offense has really been the.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: Issue like they've scored points basically with both. Quarterbacks SO
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: i don't know If Joe burrow coming, Back now there's
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: the whole angle of like he's going to rally the
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: troops and everybody's gonna be, confident And I'LL i hear,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: That BUT i don't know If Joe burrow coming back
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: is gonna fix what ails, Them like the are they
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: now all of a sudden gonna have a great defense
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: Because Joe burrow's, Back, LIKE i, mean it got a
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: little bit, Better LIKE i think it was a little
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: bit better Against, pittsburgh and it was a little bit
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: better against The, patriots but it's still not a good defense,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: Sure and SO i don't know how Much Joe burrow actually.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: Fixes and that's not taking anything away From.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: BURROW i just all, right let me ask you one. More,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: yeah four and. Seven The, Dolphins, Saints, Jet, Steelers, Bengals, Bucks.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: Patriots are they lurking say that? Again, Saints, Jets, Steelers, Yeah, Bengals, Bucks,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: patriots are they lurking.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: In terms of what the?
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: Playoffs The patriots are in the. Playoffs, no The, dolphins The, Dolphins, Oh, Saints,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: jets that's the rest of their. Schedule ye?
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: Gotcha, Okay. Dolphins i'm a little bit more optimistic about The.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: Dolphins oh. SEE i think there's a better chance The
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: bengals make a. RUN i think there's a better.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: Chance that The dolphins make a run BECAUSE i think
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: that The bengals are gonna have to win their, division
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: AND i Think baltimore is gonna kind of blow doors
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: the rest of the.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: WAY i really.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 6: DO i.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: DON'T i Think miami. IS i don't know what's going
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: on In. Miami, like Maybe miami's problem was not saying
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: that he's don't get all, upset not saying That mike McDaniel's.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: Perfect but Maybe miami's bigger problem was Actually Tyreek hill
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: and not Not mike.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: McDaniel is that.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: Possible, well they were bad After Tyree hill got, hurt
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: but they're playing a lot better. NOW i just wonder
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: if the vibes are better In miami because of. THAT
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: i just look at it more in terms of like
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: your path, Right LIKE i think Since cincinnati's only pat
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: me to make the playoffs is to win the. Division
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: AND i just don't Think baltimore is gonna take. That
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: it's going to go backwards and.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: START i just think their wins this year home indoors it.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: HOME i think so. Too but like they still got
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: to go To New york And pittsburgh that's in the
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: cold In New. England. Yeah, now maybe The patriots aren't
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: playing for anything that last. Week it'd be, great who,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: knows but, like, yeah, okay.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: Anything changing in your mind in terms of who you
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: want to, play and if The patriots are playing on
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: wild card, Weekends chargers Or, jaguars and The chargers are
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: really The chargers are really banged. Up, yeah we've seen
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: what that team does coming here in the. Cold, yeah that's,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: True AND i am with. YOU i IF i had
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: to pick one team THAT i would want to play
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: the most of The, Jacksonville.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Probably BUT i put those two in like a similar.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: TIER i don't think That.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: JACKSONVILLE i worry that that's going to Be houston instead Of.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: Jacksonville And houston's not A.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: Houston i'm not saying The patriots can't Beat houston and
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: we'll see how well that defense. Travels but that defense
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: is the real. Deal that's going to be a tough
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: one if they have to play.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: Them all, right let's Take mars call and then we'll
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: get to The giants and we'll wrap it up on The.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Giants what's, Up?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 9: Mark, hey, guys how you doing? Today Happy thanksgiving. Guys
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 9: i'm telling YOU i cannot See Vederian lowe out there
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 9: one more. TIME i, mean the guy is literally falling
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 9: over his. FEET i THINK i saw him two or
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 9: three times literally just fall flat on his face and
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 9: there was nobody even around. HIM i can't watch that.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 9: ANYMORE i Think bryant is an excellent. TACKLE i think
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 9: he played pretty well when he came in For Morgan
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 9: moses on the. Right i'd love to see him on the.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 9: Left i'm not sure about this guy that we just picked,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 9: up BUT i really think that at this, point anything
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 9: is better Than Viderian. LOWE i can't believe that they
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 9: kept the guy after last. YEAR i, mean you, know
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 9: we just we got to move on from. Him the
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 9: last thing is from a fantasy, Perspective, alex who would
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 9: you Play Lamar jackson this? Week Or Drake may you don't.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: Want to ask me fantasy QUESTIONS a little bad at.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: It Lamar jackson against The bengals Or Drake may against The.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: Giants, Correct, Well bengals defense has to, regress, right you would.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: Think.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 9: AND i would think That baltimore has to.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: Win but it is a division. Game it is a division.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Game Drake, may it's a short.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: Week i'd probably Go lamar Ask, evin he actually plays
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: fantasy football a little. Bit i'd probably Go Lamar mark
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: just BECAUSE i don't. KNOW i just HAVE i have you,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: know easy have two TIME. MVP i have a little
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: bit more faith in guys like that, sometimes you, know
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: than a young player Like. Drake So i'd probably Go.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: Lamar BUT i think that you could see it either.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: WAY i.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 9: Agree and what's your take On Vederian? Low are you? Agreement?
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: Look you, know and thanks for the.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 8: Call.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: Mark we're gonna let you go and we'll answer your
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: question About.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: Low i'm not nearly as strong As mark is on
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: the anti Vendarian low. TRAIN i he was not good
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: for them last, year but a lot of people did
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: not play good football for The patriots last. Year and
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: was he really set up in a great position to
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: succeed with that coaching. Staff on top of, that like
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: he had to. Play we're talking about him playing, LIKE
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: i don't know what did he played like thirteen games last?
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: Year fourteen games last? Year played a no because chokes
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: the coor four played one.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: But he didn't finish.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 6: It.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: Ye, Yeah well so he played a lot of games last.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: Year you're hope he played. Fourteen you're hoping That.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: Vederian lil only has to play like four, games three,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: games four games this, year, Right so it's a much,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: shorter much smaller sample. Size AND i REMEMBER i looked
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: this up last night because as we segue here to The,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: giants The giants on paper have a pass rush that
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: you should. Fear you, know A, Carter Brian, Burns Dexter
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: lawrence rushing in the. Middle it's a good.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: Group they have, underperformed wildly, underperformed and that's why they're head.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: Coaching their defensive coordinator no longer have. JOBS i would
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: say that's the main reason they have the second highest
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: payroll in THE nfl on, defense including a third overall
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: pick rookie And Abdull carter all invested in their. Defense
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: Dibideau Carter Burns, lawrence and with that, group they are
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: twenty third in pressure. Rate they are fifteenth in past
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: rush win. Rate that's not good. Enough if that's how
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: heavily invested you are and all of, that that is
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: not good enough if you're The. Giants that's why their
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: staff has gotten blown. Out, now at the same, time
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: those guys individually are still disruptive and can still wreck a.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: Game SO i went AND i looked back at this
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: and BECAUSE i remember watching remember The Raiders patriots game
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: In Mexico city twenty, Seventeen, Yeah Mexico city. Game at
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: right tackle for that, GAME i think that it was
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: supposed to Be Marcus. CANNON i think he was the
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: starter that. YEAR i can't remember exactly who they had
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: at right. Tackle it's kind of blurred lines Between volmer And,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: cannon and when exactly those transitions. HAPPENED i think it
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: Was cannon they needed to Start Lee Adrian. Waddle canon
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: was hurt in that, game So Lee Adrian waddle started
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: that game In Mexico city in twenty seventeen against Prime Khalil,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: mack who rushed over the right tackle for most of his.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: Career so we're talking about A hall Of fame, player
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: and he guesses on how many sacks Le Adrian waddle
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: gave up in that.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: Game non zero was the right tackle the, yeah so.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: Zero so that to, me not to testament To Adrian
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: waddle like, good good effort by.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: Him is WHY i always say they need a guy
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: like Le Adrien.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: Wattle good effort by.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: Him you guys laugh WHEN i bring him up like
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: they're a valuable. Player good effort by. Him but at
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: the same, time that's, coaching, right that's. McDaniel Dante scarnecia
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: was still on the staff at that. Point they were
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: able to piece it. Together that was just one, game
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: but they were able to piece it. Together can The
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: patriots piece together for you, know let's call it four
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: or five weeks Of Darian lowe at left tackle instead
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: Of Will, campbell that's the question that's.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: Gonna that's the next To Joe.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: Toney Probably watt was playing right that, day so it's
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: next to shat good, player, Right, YEAH i, mean that's
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: what they're gonna have to.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: Do that's what they're gonna have to. Do so a
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: couple of things with This giants.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: Team Hey Derian low's coach Not Vderian Lowlador wills coaching
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: high school fotball now for him all coach and run
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: game coordinator At Bishop Dune Catholic.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: School so there's the difficult part about this matchup to.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: Me for The, giants AND i hate writing and talking
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: about games like. This they have a brand new coaching.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: Staff they have an interim head coach it's only coached
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: two games In Mike, kafka and then they just and
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: they just hire Fired Shane bowen and Appointed Charlie bullen
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: as their defensive coordinator slash play caller on. Defense there
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: is a big element of unknown with. That last week
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: Against detroit they ran true two trick plays for long.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: Touchdowns on, offense you don't really know how Much bulan's gonna,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: change you, know in a. Week you don't think he's
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: gonna change a. Ton it's probably gonna be relatively the.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: Same but each play caller has different. Tendencies they like
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: different things in different, situations like for, example.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Third and.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: Five you, Know bowen might have all these tendencies on
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: third and. Five Does bolan have the same tendencies on
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: third and five As bowen? Does and when you face that,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: situation what are you looking?
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: At what are you?
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: Expecting like those different types of things gives this game
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: a little bit of an, unknown.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: Right and it's tough because it's not like you can
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: go back and, look he's never called plays. Before he's
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: a long time linebackers, Coach so it's not like you
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: can go all, right, well you, know we talked about
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: this With mike McCoy and you were going way. Back
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: but Like mike McCoy had coached, before had been a head,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: coach so you kind of go maybe study some of those.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: Tendencies you can't really do that. Here and the other
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: thing is he AND i talked To David andrews about
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: this this, week he is going to be more aggressive in. General,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: yeah so the issues The patriots had with The blitz last, week,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: like you're just gonna see a more aggressive, defense whether
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: that's what you know The bengals put on tape last
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: week or. Not he's trying to show up. Again never
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: been a coordinator. Before here's a chance for him to
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: maybe get on the league. Map and you come out
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: first game as an INTERIM dc and you shut Down Drake,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: may you might get some.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: Calls, Yeah so he we don't really know What Charlie
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: bullen's defense is gonna look. Like what we can go
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: off of is what The giants have been AND i,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: AGAIN i they're not going to reinvent the wheel in a,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: week so it's gonna be somewhat.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: Similar.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: Uh they play a lot of man. Coverage they're one
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: of the highest rates of man coverage in the ENTIRE
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: nfl this.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Year.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: Uh they play a lot of five man pass. Rush
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: my guess is that.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: You're gonna see more three and four man pass rush
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: with a spy On Drake may in this. Game Maybe
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: Abdull carter spying him a little.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Bit.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: Uh it was A Abdul carter do that in college
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: and he's, like he's awesome at.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: That he's a really good. SPY.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: H so maybe it hits him that's gonna be the.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: Spy this pass rush worries me a little.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: Bit it's.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: Legit they get after the. Quarterback the numbers might not
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: bear it, out but on paper you can see how
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: they can be. Dangerous the other element of this game
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: that we are kind of unsure about is who's going
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: to pay quarterback for The. Giants so we have a
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: new defensive play caller we have an interim head, coach
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: and we don't know exactly On wednesday at you, know eleven,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: thirty who's going to play quarterback for The giants On Monday.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: Night it definitely sounds like it's trending Towards Jackson's dart
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: being back in this. Game BUT i will add it's,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: there but It's giants bye week next week as, well
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: so do you if he's kind of like if he
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: clears protocol late in the, week, like do you throw
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: him in there on A monday night game or do
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: you just take the bye week reset and bring him
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: back for the last four. Games he's going to come
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: back because he needs the. Reps he's a rookie quarterback
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: and he needs the, Reps but do you know run
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: him out? There so to, speak with all this concussion,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: nonsense when you have that bye weekly and you're not
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: really playing for anything in terms of, STANDINGS i don't.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: KNOW i would much rather Play Jameis, Winston there's no
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: doubt about. It i'd much rather Play Jameis. Winston but
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: it does sound like it's trending towards, it but potentially Being.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: Dart, YEAH i, mean it's it's. Tricky you wanted to
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: get the. Experience this is good prime time on the.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: Road you get him a chance that. Environment but he's
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: had multiple concussion issues this, year so that's a tricky. One,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: yeah it.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: Is and you know a couple of things With, Dart
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: he's particularly been good on extended plays and design quarterback.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: Run but are you really going to run him coming
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: off a. Concussion but that's the.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: Thing you don't play him if you can't run the
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: full compliment of.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: Place so it's very different, offenses is WHY i bring it, up,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: Right so With Jackson dart, there AND i wouldn't say
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: they're they're completely copying it Because Lane kiffen does some creative,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: things but they're they're putting him in the shotgun spread
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: all the, Time like it's like seventy five percent shotgun
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: rate When jackson darts in the, game because that's what
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: he did at all miss that's what he did in,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: college that's what he's comfortable. Doing With jameis Wins In Russell,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: wilson they've been an under center heavy. Offense they've actually
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: been the total. Opposite so this is totally uh this
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: in this, instance you are kind of preparing for two different. Offenses,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: Right it's not like last, week, right so it is
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: a little bit more of a. Factor you, Know dart
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: has been a gun run quarterback RPOs design quarterback, run,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: uh drop back pass from the. Gun Jameis winston's been
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: under center bombs away As James winston.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: Does so it's a big.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: Different touchdown passes From.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: Gunnroshewski, yeah double plus double, passes trick, plays crazy, Nonsense.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: How awesome was?
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: That SO i it'd be interesting to, see uh What kafka,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: says what they?
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: Do you, know if he practices without a red non
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: contact and in full you know he's, cleared.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: Right and they're also is the thing of, like hey
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: he's our starting. Quarterback if he can, play he's gonna.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: Play and just the message that that. Sense you got
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: no thoughts on gun throwing a touchdow Past James, Winson,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: no because it didn't work and it. Works jamis apparently
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: has excellent ball.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: Skills, yeah but it like shouldn't have, worked but it.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: Did they have a gutter navigating the pocket.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: And neither one of them should have, worked like the
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: first one that they, ran the double pass That winston,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: actually you know they threw it back To, winston And
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: winston threw it To Wandell. Robinson Wandell robinson was opened
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: for like five, minutes and it took so long to
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: execute the hand off fake and then the throwback To
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: winston that The lions actually almost broke up the pass
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: in the end zone To Wandell, robinson even Though Wandell,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: robinson if you look at the all twenty two was
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: open the entire play until the catch point and then
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: it's like it's a traffic area at the catch. Point
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: and then the one to the Gunner roschewsky touchdown, Pass
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: WINSTON'S i don't know how he caught the ball and
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: THEN i don't know how he broke.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: The tackle on the. Ends because He's Jameis, winston he.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: Does it's. Crazy apparently he's like an elite tight.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: End if It's Jameis winston On monday, night he's going
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: to give you two or three chances to pick off
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: passes and you got to take advantage like.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: That that's The James Cover Jameis winston.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: Game In Jameis.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: Winston, uh you know in the open we, say you,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: know no risk, it no. Biscuit that Is Jameis. Winston
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: that was birth From Jameis. Winston this guy has a
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: high turn turnover worthy play rate and a high big.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: Time he's, thirty mister thirty. Thirty, like that's that's the
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: GUY i want to play On Monday.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: Night Jamis, Okay SO i was about to Say Jameis
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: winston is the embodiment of fun chaos.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: FOOTBALL i would much rague. Chaos, Alright, yeah that's Why
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: i'd much rather play him IF i was The. PATRIOTS
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: i Think dart's got SOMETHING i was impressed, watching but.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: IT'S i said in the. Draft my thing On dart was,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: LIKE i don't love, him BUT i think in the
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: right situation it makes sense and The giants can build
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: up that offensive line a little. Bit Molik neighbors comes
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: back fully, Healthy LIKE i actually do like that spot
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: for HIM i.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: HAD i can kind of see it With, dart And
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: i'll give The giants the coach, Though i'll give him
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: a little bit of. Credit their offense has not gone
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: in the, tank despite the fact that they've played three different.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: Quarterbacks Molik neighbors is out for the. Season they Fired Brian.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: Dable they have an interim head coach and they're like
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: eighteenth and Dvo.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: At which in like a hot coaching name for a. While.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: Yep was he the ORIGINAL qb coach For. MAHOMES i
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: know he was In Kansas city.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: One he, was he was one of THE qb. COACHES
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: i don't.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: Know he was the quarterbacks coach eighteen through twenty. One
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: he was the passing game coordinator in twenty and twenty.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: One so you say they need to get the right
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: coach in, There i'm not, now they need to win
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: some games down the, stretch. Right kavka has been interviewed
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: for head coaching jobs in the. Past he's kind of
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: a hot. Name he's a tight pants. Guy he's a former, player,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: quarterback you, know former oc you, know like he's got
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: all that going, on, Right like he's got that is
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: that's it. Now dable didn't, play but they hired that
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: kind of guy With, Dable so maybe they want to
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: completely move away from. That but If kavka had wins
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: some games here down the stretch Like Darth, nion there is.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: Going to be.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: Somewhere. Yeah he also he said he read off his,
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: resume what do you know about the twenty ten out back?
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 9: Ball?
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, god let's not do.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: This, NO i gotta give you stat, line real, quick go.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Ahead and the twenty ten Out Back bowl Against, Auburn Mike,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: coffins quarterback For, northwestern went forty seven for seventy. Eight,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: yeah you want to talk about no risk and no.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: Biskit forty seven for seventy, eight five hundred and thirty two,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: yards four, touchdowns five. Picks also recorded twenty carries for
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: thirty yards in a. Touchdown good. Numbers that's the guy
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: who should be Coaching jamis wit is? It you know
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: you didn't listen to anything as no four, touchdowns five.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: Picks i'll take, that no, risk no best.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: Hit this.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: Wild they.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: The giants, OFFENSE i give them some. Credit the defense
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: is completely. Underperformed in. Stinks their offense, though like they should,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: stink and they kind of are, middling WHICH i give
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: them credit for for keeping it. Together there one last
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: thing On.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: Dart, Also patriots Legend Jeremy everard caught six passes for
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: sixty four yards in that.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: Game, okay one last thing On dart and then we
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: have a couple more calls and. Stuff the, splits the
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: man zone splits are. Crazy he is much worse against
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: man coverage for whatever, reason much. Worse like it's like, crazy.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: Which is weird because to, run so you'd think he'd you,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: know take advantage of. That, yeah it is.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: INTERESTING i thought it would be the opposite as. Well
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: usually young quarterbacks have difficult time with zone because you
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: have to read out zone and it's more about reads
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: and scheme and finding the voids and all that kind
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: of stuff man to manage just like pick a match
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: up and throw at, it. Right so normally young quarterbacks that's,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: more that's simpler for, them that's easier for. Them H
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: Wandell robinson's a good man beating, receivers kind of like
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: their Pop. Douglas BUT i wonder if maybe you, know
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: the lack of weaponry shows up, there you, know no.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: Neighbors slayton's, Fine, YEAH i do wonder Like robinson's the
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: kinder receiver Like TREMARY dk And, tennessee like that prototype
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: of receiver has given them.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: Trouble, Yeah Marcus jones should be On Wandel. Robinson but you,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: know that's a speed on speed matchup in the. Slot
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: so hopefully that that goes The patriots way On. Sunday
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  Speaker 3: BUT i are A. Monday excuse. ME i was really
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  Speaker 3: shocked that how bad darts numbers are against man compared
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: to his. Own SO i expect man with a spy
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  Speaker 3: on third down in this game from The patriots of
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: dart plays in the.
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  Speaker 1: GAME i think that's about.
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  Speaker 3: It on The, giants their run defense is historically. Bad
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: this is a weakness on weakness matchup in that. Regard
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: patriots rush offense has not been. Good they're thirtieth in
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: the league AND epa as a run, offense and then
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: The giants are thirty second in the league and pretty
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: much every statistical category as a run defense and, theory
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: your run offense has been a little bit better than
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: their defense has been stopping the. Run last, Week Jamior
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: gibbs had like what two twenty five or something like.
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  Speaker 1: THAT a couple of big.
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  Speaker 3: Runs you, know downhill runs have really given them. Problems
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  Speaker 3: here's a good staff for you before we wrap it
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  Speaker 3: up on man gap. Schemes so just like downhill duo
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  Speaker 3: lead you know, power The giants are giving up seven
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  Speaker 3: point nine yards of carry the next the next closest,
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  Speaker 3: team the thirty first team in the.
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  Speaker 2: League you're gonna like.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: This who want to guess who the thirty first team
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: in the league. Is it's stopping it stopping downhill. Tradition,
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  Speaker 3: yeah traditional downhill, runs gap. Schemes Buffalo, bills The Buffalo, bills,
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  Speaker 3: right thirty first The Buffalo, bills so seven point nine
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  Speaker 3: yards for The. Giants The Buffalo bills are thirty first.
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  Speaker 3: Four it's a two yard. Difference, wow it's a two
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  Speaker 3: yard difference like. That you don't see that a whole.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: Lot so if you're looking for The patriots to run
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: the ball against a historically bad run, defense even With
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: Dexter lawrence, inside they cannot stop the run down the
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: middle of the. Field And Jamior gibbs just torched, them
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  Speaker 3: torched them on those types of. Runs so there you have.
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  Speaker 3: It all, Right we're gonna let you guys wrap it
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: up here for.
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  Speaker 1: Us tony is In. Canada what's, Up? Tony, hi.
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  Speaker 11: Guys, Yeah i'm just. SORRY i just this show, now
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 11: So i'm just catching a late apologies IF i asked
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 11: something you guys have already. Discussed but looking at the big,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 11: PICTURE i don't know if we're going to get THE
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 11: afc overall and the number one by BUT i think
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 11: THE Afc east is definitely. Realistic SO i think, QUESTION
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 11: i want to ask you guys real, quick which games
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 11: do you think we have to win in order to
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 11: finish in THE.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 12: Afc east The, bills they, have The paths and The
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 12: eagles as their hardest match. Up for, us it's The
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 12: bills And. Ravens And i'll get off the line here right.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 12: Away but last, question real, quick if you can answer
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 12: and please humor, Me batman Or?
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 11: Superman that's.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: All thank, Thanks.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: Tony i'm A batman guy, Person Batman Dark knight. TRILOGY
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: i even liked the new one with what's his Name?
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: PATTINSON i haven't seen That one's pretty. Good, yeah but
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: The New superman was good.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: TOO i like. It i'm not a big like superhero movie,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: guy BUT i mean The Dark knight movies.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: Are The New superman is pretty. Solid you, know he
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: has a, dog which obviously gives him brownie points in my.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: Mind in terms of THE, afcas you, know, LOOK i
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: would love to see The patriots beat The bills and
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: The ravens too and really make a statement in those.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: Games but in, actuality they really just need to beat The,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: giants The, jets and The.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: Dolphins if they clean up on that they should Be,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: okay they're gonna. Win they're gonna be at thirteen, wins.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: Right if they can just get one of the two
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: between The bills and The, ravens they're being great.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: Shape, YEAH i mean that would be like dream.
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  Speaker 3: SCENARIO i do think that there's a, possibility AND i
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: was thinking about this that if they beat The bills
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: and that's a division clincher and t shirt the letdown
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: Against buffalo or Against, Baltimore excuse me is staring at,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: You so maybe you, KNOW i think it'd probably be
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: more likely that they off the by get up For,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: buffalo win the, division and then they probably go To
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: baltimore and maybe they have a little bit of a letdown.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: Game AND i also wonder if you, know we're gonna
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: pick all these games and we get to the end
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: of the year and maybe That miami game doesn't mean.
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  Speaker 3: Anything, yeah, Yeah but if they beat The, giants The,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: jets and The, dolphins and they take care of business
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: against the teams they should, beat they're going to be
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: at thirteen and four at worst case, scenario, right and
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: that should easily win the division and maybe even so.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: Well, actually if they do, That so if they can
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: just beat to your, point just beat the teams they, Should, Jets, Giants. Dolphins,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: yeah one loss from The bills would would give them the.
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  Speaker 1: Division so you would just need The bills to lose To, Philly,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati cincinnati With, burrow, right With, Burrow, pittsburgh maybe that's At.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh they're probably not gonna lose to The browns Or.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: Jets but, yeah, NO i, mean you don't even necessarily
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: need to beat The. Bills if you take care of,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: business you can have, to but it's, yeah it'd be,
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  Speaker 3: nice all, right last, Call, eldred wrap us.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Up what's, Up?
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  Speaker 13: Beldrid, Hey so let's tell y'all are doing.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: Today they?
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  Speaker 13: Good, hey Bart, ALEX i love you on The mother podcast,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 13: man love of most of the. Time but What i'm
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 13: worrying about, is LIKE i said that we had a
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 13: historic bad. Defense we couldn't run against that we didn't
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 13: play it against a couple of, times and we still,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 13: get you, know not that many. Yards but one day Of,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 13: ROBINSON i don't know If Marcus jones to run with,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 13: him cause that food is past BECAUSE i saw, him you,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 13: know saw the game again last, night you, know on
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 13: THE Nfl. Network, Yeah i'm Like, darren you, know And
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 13: evan Be kevin about going Against, kevil about going Against.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 13: WINSTON i know he might give you something but that
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 13: but that guy can't throw and he is, Accurate so
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 13: you gotta Be kevin With. Jacksville But i'm hoping we
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 13: pull it. Off i'm thinking twenty one BECAUSE i think
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 13: they're gonna put some points on the. Board, YEAH i
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 13: don't know how office line gonna.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: Be, YEAH i like that.
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  Speaker 3: Prediction eligent dame for the. Call, Yeah i'm a Big
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: Wandell robinson. Fan but his game is a lot Like Pop.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: Douglas's he's a speed. Slot he's not a like jitterbug.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: Slide he's on an underneath. Slot they targeted him a
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: lot on like crossers and deep overs and you, know
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: vertical routes out of the slot and his like a
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: dots like over ten like you, know like he's a
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: down the field receiver with a lot of, speed a
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: lot Like. Pop Pop douglas is playing in this role
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: for The patriots. Now uh he's their leading. Receiver he's
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: been their best player on offense without, neighbors and he's
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: a good.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: PLAYER i like watching them. PLAY i love those types
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: of guys that create that kind of.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: Separation.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: Uh the run, Game, yeah it's a it's a concern.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: Now My my biggest thing with the run game and
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: we have to wrap it, Up alex is uh THAT
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: i want it to be situationally.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: GOOD i don't need.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: Them to be a dominant run. Team they're a dominant passing.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: Team they're an explosive passing, team a high efficiency passing.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: GAME i don't need them to be a great passing
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: or run, game, LIKE i don't need this good, enough
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: just situationally short, yardage five minute offense to close out,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: games goal line like you need to be able to
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: gain yards on the. Ground when you need to gain
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: yards on the, Ground, yeah doesn't mean that needs to
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: be you like the the hallmark of your offense or
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: like the foundation of your. Offense but when it's you,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: know first and goal from the, one you need to
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: be able to get it to punch it in and
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: score a.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: Touchdown, sure all, right what a hard count for.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: Us, now we'll be back next, week coming off The
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: monday night football. Game it's it will be the bye,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: week so no game to, preview but we'll still be.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: Here On, wednesday and we will still be talking about
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: That giants, game And i'll maybe look ahead To buffalo
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: a little bit and talk about the rest of the
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: week and all that good. Stuff so we'll see you guys,
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: Then Patriots, unfiltered we'll be up in ten minutes here
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: or so at noon for, us, though we'll see you
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: guys Next.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: Wednesday.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 12: Right, hey this Is.
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