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3 Guys Before The Game - WVU Basketball Trainer Randy Meador Visits (Episode 643) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome on board. Everyone, get on the board.
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: It's time for three guys before the game. Our summer
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  Speaker 1: series continues. And have I have I ever said we
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  Speaker 1: got a good one for you?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: No, not once.
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  Speaker 4: How many episodes is this?
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  Speaker 1: This makes six hundred and forty three. If you're scoring
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  Speaker 1: at home, getting close to the end, aren't we man
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  Speaker 1: not going to see eight hundred so this is closer
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  Speaker 1: to the end.
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  Speaker 4: But the point was, that's a lot of episodes. When
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  Speaker 4: we finally got a guess that probably should have been
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  Speaker 4: here about three hundred episodes ago.
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  Speaker 3: He was busy, Yeah, he was busy.
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  Speaker 1: Lucky we We're lucky. We have him in on ready
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  Speaker 1: to go for today's show after he spent probably a
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: good half of an hour of treating Kerchieval before we
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  Speaker 1: started to roll tape. He it was kind of embarrassing
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  Speaker 1: for the others of us here.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, why was it embarrassing?
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  Speaker 4: Randy Special trying to sit down for the show, and
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  Speaker 4: you're over there, you're making him work. He's not here to.
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  Speaker 1: Work, thank you. Our special guest is WUV retired WVU
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  Speaker 1: basketball athletics trainer Randy Meta. This is going to be
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  Speaker 1: good because if you're a Mountaineer fan. You've heard his
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  Speaker 1: name countless times, quite honestly, Jee Fleming. Jack Fleming said
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  Speaker 1: his name more than I would.
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  Speaker 3: Jack.
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  Speaker 1: Jack would get at least six obligatory Randy meta references
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  Speaker 1: in each game broadcast.
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  Speaker 3: Now trainer.
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  Speaker 1: Is on the floor and Randy is holding a towel.
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  Speaker 1: He get Randy, gety.
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  Speaker 4: You should get a couple in there.
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  Speaker 5: I think?
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  Speaker 4: So?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, good, you better get up on that mike. See quiet.
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  Speaker 1: I need to give background here. Let me tell you
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  Speaker 1: who this dude is. This young man, this young man
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  Speaker 1: is that young man over there there is Randy Metter.
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  Speaker 1: He is the outgoing basketball athletic trainer, certified athletic trainer
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  Speaker 1: for West Virginia basketball, and he has an historic spot
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  Speaker 1: all time in WUV basketball in that he did the
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  Speaker 1: job longer than any athletic trainer in WVU history, longer
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  Speaker 1: than Whitey Gwinn, longer than dwarfed Whitey Gwynn. As far
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  Speaker 1: as years of total service. I looked it up, did you?
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  Speaker 1: So Randy has just finished year forty or forty one,
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  Speaker 1: however you want to count it. So this is the
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  Speaker 1: beauty and this is the magic of this show. So
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  Speaker 1: you're going to go back into who basically year six
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  Speaker 1: of Gail Catlet, so we're talking eighty four season. So
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  Speaker 1: he has been here man through Gail Catlet, who had
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  Speaker 1: a twenty plus year run, into John Bline, into Bob Huggins,
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  Speaker 1: into Darren Devrees the quickest tenure and.
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  Speaker 3: No Dan Dockets.
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  Speaker 4: You don't forget Dan dockis well back up Josh Eiler.
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  Speaker 1: Josh Eiler for the introm season. So you get the
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  Speaker 1: perspective on this. This is a guy who has literally
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  Speaker 1: seen and been a part of WVU basketball for forty
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  Speaker 1: plus years.
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  Speaker 3: When is the book coming out?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be good. Now, now let me just say this.
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  Speaker 1: This is the other little dirty, unknown secret about this
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  Speaker 1: side of the business, and that is this. If you
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  Speaker 1: think that the athletic trainer like his job is he
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  Speaker 1: sits toward the end of the bench and go out
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  Speaker 1: onto the floor when a player is injured, that would
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  Speaker 1: be like saying, I don't know that that there are
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  Speaker 1: fish in the sea. This is a job that begins
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  Speaker 1: before anyone comes into the building, doesn't end until everyone's
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  Speaker 1: out of the building. And it literally is it literally
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  Speaker 1: is you're on call three hundred and sixty five days
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  Speaker 1: a year. There is no off season because for a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of different reasons. So with that all as the
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  Speaker 1: premise to this conversation, like, congratulations first on your on
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  Speaker 1: your on your retirement, well incredibly well deserved. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm tired for you when I think when I think
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  Speaker 1: about when I think about what you have gone through
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  Speaker 1: through the years. But it's been it's been a fascinating run,
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  Speaker 1: hasn't it, of what you were able to get into
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  Speaker 1: and experience and see.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, definitely, definitely. I mean I still think the forty
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  Speaker 5: years is flown by so uh yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of great games, a lot of great trips,
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  Speaker 5: great people be around.
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe he's retiring. I mean, it's just because
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  Speaker 3: he's like an institution. You'd see him.
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  Speaker 1: It's Randy Matter. Yeah, it's kind of like mountaineer Randy Metder.
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  Speaker 1: Like mountaineers here, so is Randy.
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  Speaker 2: Medder mountaineer changes frequently he.
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  Speaker 1: Does, he does Okay, so let's jump all the way
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  Speaker 1: into the background. You've got an interesting background in that
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  Speaker 1: your dad was not an athletics trainer, but you were
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  Speaker 1: born into the college world environment. You're from the state
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  Speaker 1: of Ohio, Oxford, Ohio, Miami of Ohio. So how does
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  Speaker 1: a nice guy like you get into a business like this.
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  Speaker 5: So my dad was a audio visual manager. He did
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  Speaker 5: photos and still shots and everything back with Miami for
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  Speaker 5: He did it for I think thirty five three eight
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  Speaker 5: years or something.
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  Speaker 1: So the metas worked long term. They don't go, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're not tempted.
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  Speaker 5: I would say I got a lot of my work
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  Speaker 5: ethic from him, right everything.
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  Speaker 2: But uh so.
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  Speaker 5: You know, as you're starting middle school or whatever, but
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  Speaker 5: you know, you can go hang out with Miami football.
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  Speaker 5: Miami basketball is a cool place to be because he
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  Speaker 5: looked up to them, and uh, you know, so I'm
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  Speaker 5: hanging out with him, helping carrying his cases because it
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  Speaker 5: was old school so that you know, the old.
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  Speaker 1: Equipment, everything heavy were big. Yeah, everything's heavy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And the athletic trainer at Miami he just kind of
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  Speaker 5: saw me and just kind of grabbed me and said, well,
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  Speaker 5: you know, if you're just hanging out, why don't you
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  Speaker 5: come over here and experience this and see what you think.
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  Speaker 5: And he had summer camps and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: So you're middle schoolish.
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  Speaker 5: Now that was middle schoolish, but yeah, when I was
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  Speaker 5: into high school, then yeah, there was summer camps and
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  Speaker 5: things like that because middle school is too young. But
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  Speaker 5: you know, he just kind of took me under his wing,
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  Speaker 5: and I was like, well, this is a heck a
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  Speaker 5: lot cooler than watching my dad take pictures, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So so you start hanging out with him.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, I started hanging out with Ken Wolford at
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  Speaker 5: that time and went to the summer camps, and I
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  Speaker 5: mean I was all in, really fascinated me, and I
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  Speaker 5: just really enjoyed it. So, you know, I go to
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  Speaker 5: school at Miami and then you know, I, like I said,
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  Speaker 5: I kind of trusted him. He took me on her wing.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, you know, the next step because I
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  Speaker 5: knew what I wanted to do to get to the
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  Speaker 5: college setting.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, you need to get a master's.
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  Speaker 1: So you knew you wanted to be a collegiate athletic trainer.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 5: And he's like, well, I think the best thing for
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  Speaker 5: you to do? Would you go to WU for grad school?
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  Speaker 5: So you know, off the interview.
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  Speaker 1: Why does he send you here?
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  Speaker 5: He had some previous students that came here and he
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  Speaker 5: knew Spike and everything too.
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  Speaker 1: And okay, so Spike is John Spiker, who I identify
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  Speaker 1: as the godfather of athletic training curriculum at DOUBLEV. Definitely
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  Speaker 1: he was the guy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so you know, you know, go learn more
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  Speaker 5: from him, and then you know, just right place, right time.
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  Speaker 5: As I was finishing up my GA year men's basketball
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  Speaker 5: athletic trainer, he left and they were going on a
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  Speaker 5: European tour, so they needed to hire someone quickly.
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  Speaker 2: So that was me.
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  Speaker 1: So who was the trainer you proceeded?
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  Speaker 2: Jim Rudd? Jim Rudd, Yeah, he was here just one
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  Speaker 2: year now.
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  Speaker 1: Jack Broddigum was around too, right.
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  Speaker 5: Right, yeah, just before he was with them, I think
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  Speaker 5: two years prior to that. So and then Jack had
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  Speaker 5: left to go to the Army to get his PT degree.
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  Speaker 1: So you're a g A and they just elevate you
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  Speaker 1: to the.
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  Speaker 2: As interim the first year. Yeah, interim, you know.
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  Speaker 1: That's a big that's a okay, So to put that
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  Speaker 1: into perspective, like that isn't happening anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Nah, I don't see that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we would, I hate say frown up for that,
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  Speaker 5: but it'd be a yeah, it would be a very
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  Speaker 5: unique situation. But again, you know, Jim quit and we
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  Speaker 5: were going on European tour pretty soon, so there wasn't
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  Speaker 5: a lot of time to find someone. So, you know,
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  Speaker 5: Coach Catlet interviewed me and everything and said, okay, but
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  Speaker 5: they put me an interim status.
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  Speaker 2: But then obviously I worked out.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember the interview with Gail Katlet very thoroughly?
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  Speaker 5: Uh another media person kind of beat you to the
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  Speaker 5: punch on that.
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  Speaker 2: But that's okay. But uh so I'm over there interviewing
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  Speaker 2: him and uh, oh you're from Miami. Me, well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, we don't like Miami. You know, he's a
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  Speaker 2: hard time.
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  Speaker 5: And then you know, as a g A, I was
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  Speaker 5: a ga over at football football, you know, the basketball.
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  Speaker 2: You know, this this interview is going really well.
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  Speaker 1: You know, for those that don't know football coach, there's
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  Speaker 1: this fremeny thing that goes on. Football coaches always pretend
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  Speaker 1: that they like the basketball coach. The basketball coach always
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  Speaker 1: pretends that they like the football coach. But when they're
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  Speaker 1: away from each other, they just kill each other's probably
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  Speaker 1: like I don't know why the hell football gets all
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  Speaker 1: the damn money, right, and like and football guys are going, like,
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  Speaker 1: what tell those guys doing over there? What do they
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  Speaker 1: need that for? They only have fifteen guys. That's that's
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  Speaker 1: the world that this is anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So the interview is going really well. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sitting here, this is great.
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  Speaker 1: You know, guy's crushing me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: But then Lester Row walks in and coach you know
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  Speaker 5: Lester of course, yeah, the great guy. So, uh, Lester,
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  Speaker 5: how you doing? You know he goes, oh, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I know, Randy, he's a great guy. You know when
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  Speaker 5: who's that football was back then the coliseum that side
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  Speaker 5: of campus had no weight room. Came over and lifted
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  Speaker 5: at football with Al Johnson. He goes, yeah, whenever we
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  Speaker 5: need anything, Randy will help us out. You know, you
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  Speaker 5: do this or do whatever. And you know, I just
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  Speaker 5: I like football, I like basketball. I like sports all
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  Speaker 5: building people out. So you know, I knew Lester and everything.
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  Speaker 5: And uh so Lester gave me a pat on the
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  Speaker 5: back and you know, voted confidence and everything else.
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  Speaker 2: And then after that it was all good.
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  Speaker 4: You were in with the you were a made man.
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  Speaker 4: Lester got you in there, les.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah did yeah, because that interview was going really well.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I had to be honest. Yeah, I'm from Miami, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: was my GA physician, was at football. But I mean
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  Speaker 2: I know basketball too.
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  Speaker 5: I mean played a lot of basketball and worked basketball
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  Speaker 5: in undergrad.
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  Speaker 4: So back up a little bit here when you said
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  Speaker 4: you were interested in it right away, so that was
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  Speaker 4: obviously not something you thought about. You didn't even probably
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  Speaker 4: know that was a career. What interested you specifically.
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  Speaker 5: The ability to be able to help, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 5: athletes recover, understand the body anatomy and I have no
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  Speaker 5: injuries and you know, figure this out and work as
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  Speaker 5: a team as an athletic trainers and team physicians and
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  Speaker 5: everything like that.
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  Speaker 2: I just found it very intriguing.
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  Speaker 1: See, I don't know why you would ask him that question,
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  Speaker 1: because he just what he just said is exactly what
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  Speaker 1: he did before the show started. He still loves, he
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  Speaker 1: still loves to help people. Like copy said, I've got
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  Speaker 1: this I band situation. He goes out there, he gets
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  Speaker 1: on his phone, he shows him what roller he's supposed
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  Speaker 1: to use. He gives him exercised, so you still love
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  Speaker 1: the actual.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm on this aspect of it. But we're hopping
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  Speaker 5: our bikers, so you know, bikers stick together.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: It's interesting about what the reason I asked that is
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  Speaker 4: because it's it's another example. How many times have we
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  Speaker 4: done this and talked to people there's a single individual
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  Speaker 4: that kind of grabs you and says, hey, take a
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  Speaker 4: look at this in an area that Randy may never
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  Speaker 4: have seen. You could have bypassed that and never seen
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  Speaker 4: that area. And yet it not only turns into a
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  Speaker 4: job and a career, but something you really love. That
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  Speaker 4: that those stories always are remarkable to me. That that's
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  Speaker 4: that's a lot of times all it takes is one
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  Speaker 4: person just saying, hey, take a look at this, seminal moment.
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  Speaker 4: Seminal moment you're off and running.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, very true.
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  Speaker 5: And then uh, I've been reflecting, you know a lot recently,
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  Speaker 5: and you know the saying, you know, if you find
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  Speaker 5: what you enjoy to do, you never work a day
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  Speaker 5: in life. And that and that's that's another thing. You know,
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  Speaker 5: when forty years goes like, yeah, you got to figure
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  Speaker 5: you were in the right profession. I never I still.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I'm going to work going up and down
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  Speaker 5: the Colisseum steps. You know that never got old or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, you're gonna you're gonna miss it, aren't you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's a lot of aspects one miss.
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  Speaker 3: What What are you going to miss the most? The games,
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  Speaker 3: the people you become close to, the work itself. What
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  Speaker 3: are you going to miss the most?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think the first two? The games? I still
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  Speaker 2: really enjoy the games.
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  Speaker 5: I always told my wife Bev, if when I get
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: tired of travel, you know, I'll look for some else.
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  Speaker 2: And I still enjoy the travel.
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  Speaker 5: I still enjoy the travel, you know, going to different places,
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  Speaker 5: the people that we've gotten to know, you know, within
• 14:10
  Speaker 5: the Big twelve, we have our own little athletic training
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  Speaker 5: you know group and everything. Uh so yeah, I like that.
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  Speaker 5: The uh you know, it's got a whole new group
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  Speaker 5: of players in. But I've been very impressed with the
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  Speaker 5: quality of the players and their personalities and everything. I
• 14:27
  Speaker 5: don't know why you had to assault, So you know,
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  Speaker 5: that bonding I'll miss.
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  Speaker 2: But also you think look back.
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  Speaker 5: You know, there's been four coaches in four years, and
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  Speaker 5: there's been a whole totally new teams. The last two
• 14:41
  Speaker 5: years we had free as a holdover and ab as
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: a holdover, but they both read shirts.
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  Speaker 2: So we have zero points coming back.
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  Speaker 5: You know, So you don't have the bond that you
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  Speaker 5: have that you used to develop on it, you know,
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  Speaker 5: like with the Deshaun Butler's or the Truck Bryant or
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: John Flowers the.
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  Speaker 1: Hair Bears and watching those guys grow up with that
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  Speaker 1: team that was.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you miss those kind of relationships. I just don't
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  Speaker 5: see those happening in the future unfortunately. Yeah, so those
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  Speaker 5: are factors that were involved in my decision.
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  Speaker 1: Think about this. You started Atlantic ten, Yeah, you've gone
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Atlantic ten, Big East, Big twelve. I think just think
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: about the bizarre if you were to say that in
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  Speaker 1: a nineteen eighty four Randy, before you're done here, you're
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: going to stay at the same school and be in
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  Speaker 1: the Big East, the Big twelve, you go like, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And almost in the Pac twelve too, if you want
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  Speaker 4: to toe right, I mean, you've gone from Saint bona
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  Speaker 4: Venture to Utah. Seriously, right, that's a that's a heck
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  Speaker 4: of a swath of geography there.
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  Speaker 3: That you're covered.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Can I ask you a couple always going to those
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  Speaker 1: legal pad This is always trouble.
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  Speaker 4: Are you asking what do you mean technical things like
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: how to treat an ankle?
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: We go to and talk about a multipitous strange pronation sublxation.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: How do you help Randy? Don't pay attention to these guys.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: How do you help a player understand the difference between
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: pain and soreness? That is a good question question, thank you?
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: Well, you know the pain I want to take care
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: of and evaluate and even when I'm doing a long
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: term rehab, if they wake up sore the next morning,
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: then I think we worked.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Them about the right amount.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: If there continue to be sore halfway through the day,
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: I say, afternoon, then maybe we did too much. Okay,
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: but the pain pain, I expect to see symptoms of
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: inflammation like swelling, redness, loss of function, soreness. I mean,
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: we're all not that young right now. We probably all
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: wake up with a little bit soreness in the morning,
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: but as we start moving around it disappears.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: How do you help though the player up here understand
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: the difference between pain and soreness? Because what's the player
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: going to say? Players can say it hurts, yeah, right,
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: So well.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: Or the opposite or I'm fine, yeah, and not tell
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: you how.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: And that's my job to figure that out. And then
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: I just like I told you, I'll explain to them.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: My job is to help educate them and then you know,
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: apply that if the soreness is not affecting them, it's just, uh,
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: they just feel a little bit, but they can still
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: run the court full speed, change direction, do what they
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: need to do. I don't say we disregard it, but
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: I still want to work with them to try and
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: help eliminate that. Uh someone with pain again, I might
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: suspect they have swelling or something else going on.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Then we need to treat that and they're probably going
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: to be a step slow or something's going on. There.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: One other question about that and then so what role
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: have you played with coaches of any over the years,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: And maybe it's different with different coaches as to can
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: this guy go and how.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: He And that goes back to this total roster changeover.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: And I'm not the only one. I mean us as
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: athletic trainers communicate and you know this is happening across
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: the country. But you know, someone to ask you, uh,
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: so and so got hurt, what do you think, well,
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: it's the first time. It's like dealing with fifteen freshmen
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: now or whatever. Because it's the first time I've seen
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: this person injured, I have nothing to go from. You know,
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: is he a sweller or not a swell or is
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: he a tough guy or is he not a tough guy?
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: You know, is it pain or is it soreness? So
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: you know I have to Unfortunately, I may not look
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: as smart because I don't know this individual as well,
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: and I know a lot I'll be a lot smarter
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: tomorrow when I see him in the morning and see
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: there is swelling, there isn't swelling. You know, there's full motion,
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: there isn't full motion. So you know, you don't always
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: know immediately the severity of that injury.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Now very severe injuries, sure, yes.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: You do, but that middle of the road, that second degree,
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: you don't know as well, and it takes a little
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: bit more time since you don't know these as.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: One other question I want to go to these guys,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: is that so? And again you don't have to name
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: coaches or particular stances, but have you had instances where
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: coaches have said, Randy, dang it, Well, they might say
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: sithingles get this guy ready to go.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Sure, Oh yeah, I've had that happens all the time,
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: all the time. I would think, right if from a
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: coach perspective, you need your guys back on the floor,
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: So I would think.
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: That happens a lot different caliber with different coaches. But yeah,
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: you know, as long as they know. You know, in
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: the old days, we didn't even have MRIs. But and
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: when the doctors said they're cleared, coaches wanted them cleared
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: and playing. You know, if MRI came back and it's good,
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: they want them back playing. Okay, So yeah, definitely.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Right, you take over in eighty four. Immediately you go
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: on a foreign tour. Yes, I'm just trying to do
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: the math in my head. I bet you've gone on
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: over ten foreign tours. Have you counted?
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: You know, I've never counted them up.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: And you went on Atlantic ten trips? Have done? Yeah?
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: With the Yeah, you were all starts, we used to
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: have that.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: So you've been as a SAI, right, he's been around.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been a little kid from Oxford, Ohio. I
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: never would have fought.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: You've been to Italy? I mean, do you count them up?
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Where you've been Italy?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Spain, uh, Northern Europe.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: That first trip I think was five countries, ten games
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: in fourteen days, all on bus, you.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Know ten, say a ten games in fourteen days. I'm
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: pretty sure school. That's the old school where now you're
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: like three and if they are actually games or not
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: when you go over it tames.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was there was competition back then.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, and somewhat maybe fights, but uh yeah. Then
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: I've been to you know, Japan, uh Seul, South Korea,
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: and Hong Kong.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Australia twice. One included New Zealand, so.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Cat used to like Australia.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was pretty cool to The second time
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: was uh to thousands, so they were getting ready for
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: the Olympics, so we were we were able to tour
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: the Olympic site, so that that was great.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: And then they and then the November tournaments right Puerto
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Rico's and the whole Bahama, Bahamas and San Juan and Charleston,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Vegas just all over the place.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Germany when you played Texas A and MG.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah really that was it was an oversea bos one game. Germany.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: That was a great trip until the.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Game, Yeah, yeah, that wasn't a good day to be
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: a mountaineer wherever, wherever you may be.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Any of these names from the eighty four eighty five
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: teams stand out to you.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Dale still in touch with them, are you? Oh yeah,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: oh yeah.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Bernardo Brown, JJ Crawl Holman Harley was on that team.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Dunk Bounce Dunk in the NCAA.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Vernon Odem, Darryl Pinkney, Lester Rowe from Buffalo.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: That guy kind of helped me a little bit.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Eric Simmitch, Eric Wayne Yearwood was on the team.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Is it fair to say the dal Blaney and Eric Semmish,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: two names that you just mentioned, are probably in your
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: top ten list of most enjoyable knuckleheads that you worked with.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was gonna say, goofballs, but yeah, yeah, I.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Just remember that they had a great rapport with you
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and it was a NonStop comedy show. Those guys were knuckleheads.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was before Seinfeld and everything.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Else, exactly. I mean they just to guy to go
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: into it now. John McKinny, our legendary radio engineer for
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: the Mountaineer Sports Network, and Jim Galuski, who was the
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: film guy. So it was like this pack. It was.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: It was John McKenny and Jimbo and like Randy would
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: kind of be like third party and Blainey and Semish
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and there would be on the road. They would constantly
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: engage in practical jokes against each other, to the point
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: where they got keys to get into each other's room. Really,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: McKinney would go in back then phone old school phones,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: unscrewed the phone. McKinny would go in, unscrew the phone
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: so the mouthpiece wouldn't work, and then start calling over
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: and they hello, hello there. They did everything. They did.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Shaving cream on the phone, you put it and you
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: got it on your ear.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: They did.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: They just planted everything coool aid and shower water, the mattress,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: this did that and that was those.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Shower that's a good one.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Did everything.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: How do you do that?
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Just unscrew the thing and put.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, McKinny.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: That was like McKinny was like mckayval. It was. It
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: was just it was fun, legendary Woody O'Hara, I mean,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: it was like a traveling road show and Jack Jack
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: was a character. Wood He was a character. Mickey went
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: on a future Mickey for Fairy would travel with the
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: team and it was it was just like it was Seinfeld.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: It was it was fun, it was one. It was
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: it was like a band of brothers, like we're going
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: in there because you know, Gail. Gail was perfect at
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: like creating the tension of like it's us against all
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: these Atlantic ten schools, right like Rhode Island doesn't hate
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: like us. We don't like them. The Temple thing, the
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: whole Temple thing. Temple like they when we went to Temple,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: they gave us nine towels. When those bastards come back,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: all they're getting is nine towels. That's it, you understand.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I mean it was that, it was constant.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: But we had I mean when Bill Cosby was well respected.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: I mean we had so many battles at Temple and
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Bill Cosby came over our locker room, win and lose
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: sometimes and just give his credit, yeah, for how good
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: the games were and how strategic those games were. Yeah,
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: because you know, no shot clock, he was holding the ball.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Some of those scores. Yeah, forty four, forty two, and
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: every possession was just tension two three zone was it?
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: One three one? I mean the Temple ran.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a matchup kind of crazy thing that
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: he did. He was good.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: It was a good cat.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Those were some fun games.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Remember when Tom Penders got it going at Rhode Island.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: There was this great hostility and animosity between the two schools,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to the point where Penders had to have a security
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: guard when he came here when the Atlantic ten Tournament
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: was held here, he had a dude, brought a dude
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: from Rhode Island with him. Oh yeah, because it was gouty,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: because like it was hot.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Randy.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: During the games, are you into the games and what's
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: going on in the strategy or you just kind of preoccupied.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: With Oh no, yeah, I'm I'm a big basketball fan.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: We played a lot of basketball at lunchtime. Yeah, we
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: had a lot of basketball.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Lots.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of lunchtime basketball. Garrett Ford, Rocky Gianola, and
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: a guy named Brad Howe.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: No, I never played. I would never go down and play.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Huh reason.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Once I was done playing, I was done playing. Rarely
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: pictures up again.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: You'd watch.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: I'd go out and see him out there.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Heavy contact in those games.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: Coach Garrett fordelbows were flying a lot. I didn't have
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: time to get hurt. I didn't need to get down
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: for he was flying flying.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, so he knocked one guy flat. I
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: don't say his name or anything.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: He looked at you as you can't do that, because
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I just did.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Garrett played the Maathaye old school. It's just think, have
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: you count the victories of the coaches that you have
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: worked for? Gail hugs John right amazing. So let me
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: ask you some coach questions. Please be careful, nothing dangerous
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: at all. So they've all they've all had the ultra
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: levels of success all the time. When his coach is
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Gail cal What made Gail as good as he was
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: and as successful as he was? What did he have.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: All?
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Even back in that time, I think he had a
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: good strategy.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: I mean you had that trapping press and uh a
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: matchup two three zone that you know, it wasn't a
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: stand still two three zone.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I think that confused uh, posing teams, and he would
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: change frequently on timeouts, and he would change his defense
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: a lot on uh yeah, and I don't think that
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: was always done back in that air or time.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Great stuff out of timeouts to offense.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: At Yeah, he's.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Drawed up and he gets you some good the weakness.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he knew that. He could play the off the
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: weakness of the other team, So all right, hugs.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: Uh, you know he was demanding and wanted to outwork everybody.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, those three hour practices put work ethic in everyone,
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: and I think we'd wear down I mean, how many
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: times did it come down to that last four minute
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: time out? And you know we could if we were
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: four points down going into that last four minute time
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: out still felt like you you're going to win, you know,
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: because they we would just wear people down, you.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Know, overall.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: And then you know when the press was happening too,
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: you know, our press was pretty darn good and forty
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: minutes seemed like nothing after three hour.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, exactly, pretty fast, b lined.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I you know, I think the.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: Whole do different offensive strategy. You know, at that time,
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: I don't think that you know, he had one thing
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: going on one side of the court, one thing going
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: on the other side of the court. Hadn't really seen
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: that one three one. I mean we joked about that
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: with Temple, but it seemed like Temple was the only
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: school running out way back then in two thousands. I
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: don't think we saw a lot of one three one.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: And then just the movement and the ball and the chemistry.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: Uh you know there's a lot of smoking mirrors maybe
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: for twenty five seconds then boom.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: You know, he would get that going.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: Whether it was door, yeah, because the back doors arrow,
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: there's it's not gonna standing in the corner, you know.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Darren, it was quick. It's swift.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: But I mean how we go in nineteen games, you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: with the players and the injuries that we had and everything.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: You know, again, another very good strategy person and good
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: at timeouts and those he got those guys to believe
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: in themselves and even with the seven eight players, wouldn't
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: be able to win nineteen games.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: That was I think have incredible players.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, sometimes we sit here and we I
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: don't want to say. I don't know if the words
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: marginalize or we don't put the significance into what it is.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: You think, oh, basketball, it's a sprained ankle. It's ay,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: they bump forehead, You got stitches, and this is delicate.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I mean you're putting in some life threatening situations. You
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you you've through the years, you have been close to
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: situations that literally could fatal if you weren't there.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Yes, I mean had two incidents.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: In the last previous two years, and uh yeah those
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: you know, you don't enjoy those at all, but you're
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: prior training and what you've learned, you do put that
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: to use, you know, like a hobby said, you know,
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: I'm a basketball fan, but yeah, I still I have
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: to you know, I'm there for a medical reason, and
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: I'm there for a reason. I need to do my job,
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: and I try and teach younger athletic training students and
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: people that you know, we don't need to be there
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: to be aggressive. We need to be assertive though when
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: it's our time to do something. I mean, we don't
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: want coaches or other players handling injuries.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: That's what we're here for.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: So you know, when that does happen, you know, if
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: I can do nothing the whole practice or a game
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: except my little job, then that's fine. But when someone
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: does get hurt, you have to be assertive and.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Take care of that.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: And the thing about that is it literally happened in
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: a split second. Something can happen in a split second.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: And obviously the one that we can talk about is
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: a cook. A cook because it happened in a game,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: and in the exhibition game and everyone saw that happening,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: and literally, you know, it is a moment of just
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the unknown, ye and you have to aggressively get in there,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: and it's it's it's you guys do not get the
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: recognition that you deserve. You know, when we had John
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Spiker in here a long time ago, now a couple
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: of years, and you know that there's that and you'll
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: know what this is. There's a football injury that happens
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: when a collar bone can cut off the windpipe. And
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: when you run out onto that field and that person's
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: down this number one, you're starting off, you have zero
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: idea exactly what you're going to get to when you
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: get there, and then you look down and you immediately
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: have to make an examination and get your hand down
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: in there to get that bone away from there so
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: the air isn't cut off. I mean, it's just we
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: take this stuff for granted. But you're saving lives.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: Yes, you know, it'd be nice if my whole career
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: I didn't have to worry about that. But yes, you're
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: totally correct. And that's why we have our education and
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: planning and practice and prevention in those areas for those
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: moments that do happen. And yeah, I mean it's unfortunate
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: and you're you're there for the student athlete. It would
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: be nice if no disrespective you know, coaches would appreciate
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: that because you know, let's be honest, it's sports, it's athletics,
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: but it shouldn't be life or death.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: But there's times that can be that.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: And you know, then we go back to you know,
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: the coaches wants them back out there. We still we
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: need to be looking out for the health and well
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: being of the student.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: How much how much has the has the technology changed
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: since you started, as you've gone from and breaking open
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: the ammonia cap to concussion proto call for.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Example, you know, like a concussion.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know that's you know, we were in
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: the dark ages and then you know, around two thousand
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: it started getting more and more important and obviously the
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: diagnosis a CTE and then we probably jumped over too
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: much to being too conservative. And then some great research
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: came out of Buffalo and everything, and you know, now
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: controlled exercise helps with the rehab and so I think
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: we're in a pretty good place now with concussions. But
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: you know, unfortunately, even minor concussions takes the honesty of
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: the student athlete or the professional athlete to admit that
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: there's something's wrong, because every concussion isn't obvious. You know,
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: you don't have to lose conscious, you don't you know,
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: you know, a football player with a helmet, you may
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: not always recognize that they're having a mild concussion immediately,
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: so you need their honesty to let you know. But uh, yeah,
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: it'd be nice to be able to avoid all of
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: ct and hopefully in the future there'll be much less
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: of that.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: But how about the difference, speaking along the change in technology,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: how about the difference just in players today understanding body
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: and rehabit recovery more than they would have in the
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: mid eighties when you just didn't have some of that
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: information available versus what the what you have now to
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: be able to track sleep and all of the.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I means so there's a lot of good things.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: And yeah, you know, sleep rings we have. We have
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: two devices on every basketball player for every practice. That
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: gives us more information than we need to know, but
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: but it gives us good information, especially like if I'm
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: trying to get someone back from a ank or knee injury,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: I can really look at the statistics about how much
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: they're doing and how much I want to progress them
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: and everything. So that's that's a good information when you
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: first say that. Sometimes though the uh you know, when
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: the NBA started load management, some of that was good.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: And then you know, when you have high school kids
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: talking about load management, it's like, you know, you haven't
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: proven yourself yet. How about giving maximum efforts?
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: So how how far does the typical player run during
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: a game or a practice? The five mile mark?
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: Uh, three hour practices we were getting up to six
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: pretty easily. Yeah, but you know that was only one
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: coach that did the three hours.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: But three and a half to five miles per day
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: is a reasonable number.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: Reasonable, you know, even some of the coaches. Some of
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: the coaches even condensed it down more as the season
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: went on to try and save leg sure. And also
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: you look at last year we were only using seven
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: or eight players. Yes, so uh three, you know, two
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: point seventy five to three. Three point five.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Was because it was a conscious effort to dial it
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: back in that you wouldn't have understood that.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: You know, not at all.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: And then plus in eighty seven we didn't have the
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: twenty hour week rule anything like that, So you know,
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: when you're winning, things are good and maybe you don't
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: practice long, but I can remember some long practices after
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: some losses.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: See that's what's amazing. You talk about things we just
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: gloss over and go with. I mean, just take the
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: three miles. You're running three miles every day, and I
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: know they're young and in great shape, which is an
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: easier bounce back than any of us have. That's a
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: lot by the time you get into February and co
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: that is a ton of tax on your body. And
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: it's hard three miles.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: It's not a.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Leisure lea three miles wind sprints for three miles.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and for the most part, probably six days a week. Yeah.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: So over the course of your career, I mean you've
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: seen it all. So in your role, did you always
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: stay in your lane with just the medical part or
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: did you have moments or relationship with coaches where you
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: felt compelled or necessary to give a coach additional information
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: about a player and what a player might be going
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: through mentally or other aspects of that player than just
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: the physical.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, definitely.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: I'd like to say I filtered and pick and choose
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: along those lines, because you don't I don't want to
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: set the player up for failure because he's probably already
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: in a stressful situation. So you want to protect that player,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: but you also want the coach to.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Know certain things.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: But if you give them almost too much information, then
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: it might be I hate to say, punishment, or they
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: might look down upon them or something. And you know,
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: you don't again, you don't want to make things worse
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: for the player, But there's sometimes maybe you need to
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: let the coach know that this person's suffering something else
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: that's going on in their life that is affecting them.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: And I mean, we.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Know mental health has been a much bigger issue now
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: than it was in the eighties. So yeah, there's definitely
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: been times where I've fight it in coaches to let
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: them know more than just the physical aspect.
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  Speaker 5: So you look at forty one years and I'll just
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  Speaker 5: We furloughed many many of our staff was furloughed, which
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  Speaker 5: was not uncommon in the university settings across the country.
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  Speaker 5: And uh so we were really down a lot of people.
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  Speaker 5: And on my side of campus there's only me and
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  Speaker 5: another person for all the sports over there. So I
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it has had a has met suit.
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  Speaker 5: I had a hazmat suit, because that's how you started,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you know this you look back at some
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  Speaker 5: of the stuff from the beginning, Yeah, you almost laugh.
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  Speaker 2: But we didn't know. You didn't know.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm out there in a ninety degree weather and
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  Speaker 5: in a hazmat suit swabing everybody. And then the amount
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  Speaker 5: of spreadsheets and what you do to keep track of
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  Speaker 5: the testing three times a week for everybody, or what
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  Speaker 5: you do to keep track of all your positives, and
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: then the retest. I mean I had spreadsheets out the
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: wazoo and I was testing out the It was awful.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: It was awful.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then games played in front of no one
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: and masks on, Coaches didn't want to put their mask on,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: had half a mask on, half a mask off. Just
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: it was when you look back on it was like
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  Speaker 1: we all lived through, really really was.
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  Speaker 5: And then you know I was doing everything I could
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: just to keep the team on the court.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: Once we you know, we got back into somewhat more
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: north and we're actually playing and everything, but the uh,
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: some people wanted to do the political argument and everything
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: like that, and I'm like, I am just doing what
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: I can do to try and keep people on the team.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get into the politics of all
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: this is.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: I'm not pro COVID just because I'm doing this. I'm
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: doing it because I understand the rules and regulations and
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: this is.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: What we have to do. Sorry about the politics.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you don't want to be the guy that
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: lets someone go and then they spread the whole thing
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: out there and all of a sudden, you now you
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: don't have games or I.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: Didn't follow a protocol directly, and just because we didn't
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: follow the protocol, we're being punished.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: And you had.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: County Health, you had the national you know CDC, I
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: mean you, and then you had the Big twelve rules,
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: you had NCA rules.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: There was so many rules.
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: And they were constantly changing, and so I mean I
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: was as of today or as of right now, all right,
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: this is the rule, and you know it could change
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: tomorrow or the county anyone could change and it could
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: affect us. And I had to try and stay up
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: to date with all those and the team physicians were
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: absolutely great, too, But we weren't fighting again.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I was just trying to Yeah one.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Well, and health professionals, whether it's at your level or
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  Speaker 3: at the highest levels. In my opinion, I think did
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: an historic job of dealing with a black swan event,
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  Speaker 3: an unprecedented event. And because of that, I know this
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: will be controversial to some. Because of that, lives were saved,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: lives were saved and people stayed healthy because people did
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: like you and others did the right things.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah agree, I agree, yes.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Well, what will meander away from that? Right now?
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: If I never hear COVID again, I will be happy.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: One of the one of the things people may not
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: be aware of is, besides the position that you held
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: on a day to day basis with basketball, you are
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: also a instructor, professor, teacher. How many courses? How many
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: sections would you teach a semester?
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: Well, early on they tried to have me. I taught
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: one in the spring, but that wasn't very successful.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Travel that didn't last very well.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Sol sure will not be here today.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So I ended up teaching two in the fall
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: for many, many years, and then guest lecture at different
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: things at different times at that but our athletic training
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: program was in undergrad for several years, and I think
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: it was twenty two or twenty three went to the
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: graduate level totally. So I have not taught except guest
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: lecture the last few years. But yeah, I taught for
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: many years those two classes and thoroughly enjoyed it.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I think people would be astounded to know the number
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: of athletic trainers at this university. You guys have produced
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: and where they.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Are I think and give some give some examples just
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: of the of the pro.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Teams, well some of the teams.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: So one of my ex students just became the head
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: athletic train with the Boston Celtics.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: That heard heard of them.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, one of our lums is also now it's going
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: to be back with Dallas. So we had a pretty
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: famous guy down at LSU two and.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Jack and Roucci, Yeah, Jack Rucin.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: And we've had, uh there was one time we had
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: the most in the NFL, but we haven't looked at
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: that statistically yet. But we have several within the NFL
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: we've had, I mean, we have physicians pts pas.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: That's one of the great untold stories from a university
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: standpoint of how prominent and successful the athletic training curriculum is. Yes,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: it's considered one of the best.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: In the nation.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: Yes, and uh, we're celebrating our fiftieth this summer, that
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: second weekend of July, so looking forward to that. We
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: celebrate the fortieth in twenty fifteen. Then something interrupted it
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: in twenty twenty was I don't want to mention again. Yeah,
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: so yeah, so hopefully we'll have several comeback. For several years,
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: I've been the keeper of the w Athletic Training Alumni
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: List SERVE and we have over seven hundred alumni that
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: are on that, so you know, we do have a
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: large amount of alumni from here and many many of
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: them have gone on.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: To very successful careers.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: It is the most freakish athlete that you've been around
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: in the forty years. Good quick, can you and there's
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: been a lot. Can you identify one above all others?
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: That's a good road trip. We always ask these kind
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: of questions when around road trips.
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean one that stands out I think is
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: dealing with basketball.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: You know, I've had exposure to a lot of other sports.
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: Too, either through supervision or again, we didn't you know,
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: way back, we didn't have as many athlete trainers. You'd
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: cover more events, but we've we've been blessed with a lot,
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: but with basketball.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I think Joe Alexander.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Thought that the first name.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was a freakish athlete. Yeah what did what?
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: So can you explain him physiologically?
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Good question?
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Hop?
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: Uh, quick muscle, I mean his muscle fibers. He was
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: quick twitch, and I mean he could jump through the
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: roof and you know he could run. He's fairly strong.
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: You know you didn't look like that, but I mean,
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: obviously we've had stronger athletes, but the ability to do what.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: Everything he did in a six eight body. Yeah, it
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: wasn't like he was a five to ten dude running
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: around with there. Six eight Yeah.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's pretty good.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Elite elite, elite second jumper, elite second jump, oscar se
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: second jump, second jump.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: He was a quick second jumper.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: Well he's a pogo stick now he could jump to
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: now quick quick?
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah that that shot blocking.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Lester could jump.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Lester could jump. You know they kind of listed him
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: at six'.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: Four, yeah you could jump very well, too so old old,
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: SCHOOL i mean Old Phil. Wilson he was a pretty
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: good shot blocker.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Also, well, yeah one time was the all time leading shot.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Blocker yeah he was.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Long his arms were.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Long, yeah but he was you know a lot of.
• 48:23
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  Speaker 1: One where's Day shon on your all time?
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: Team he's up, there there's no. Doubt but you, know
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: personality ones you. Over BUT i think he had some
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: pretty good statistics too to back it.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: Up the third pretty good clutch guy, too game something.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Good yeah that last year Day sean was just like
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: when it was on the, line like just give him the,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: ball right braes getting the ball out.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Of way six or seven games he wanted the.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: Gun yeah and, again but you look back at those
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: a lot of them were one you, know LIKE i,
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: said after the last we just hung their hung their stayed.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: There and then all of a sudden we went it
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: over in the last few.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Minutes what what what was going through your? Mind speaking
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: of Day shawn when at The final, four when When
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: dayshon went, Down.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: Well you, know obviously that was absolutely. Awful Day sean
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: has a lot of personality and, everything and and you,
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: know obviously he was. CRUSHED i mean we all see
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: the pictures of the videos and that and. Everything you,
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: know as a, humor he has an excellent sense of humor,
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: too and he came out he, goes you, know next,
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: TIME i Think i'll just.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Pull up jump.
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: Round that probably would have been a good. Choice but,
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: yeah so, unfortunate you, KNOW.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Acls.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: Happened but you, know in in the final four with
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: a pack, stadium with.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: That, player that player at that moment.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: With AN nba, career, yeah waiting for you. Next that
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: was that was a hard. Situation in addition to just the,
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: injury it was a tough.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Spot.
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah so but we got to spend a lot of
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: time together the next ten years or so because he you,
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: know he would continue to, play continue to come back
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: in the summer From europe or wherever and work with
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: him for three or four, months send him back. Out you,
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: know he'd come, back try and work on the knee.
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: Again so you, know he ended up having three. Surgeries, wow,
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: yeah it.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Was it was a bad. One.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: HUNT i missed on a couple of those. Surgeries we
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: can say it they. Did wasn't, Here it happened somewhere.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: Else it was a long, road and uh he, persevered you,
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: know uh provided for his family by playing overseas and
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: did the most he could with a pretty bad.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Knee SO i give him a lot of credit and.
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: EVERYTHING i think he's doing pretty well, now or Or
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: joe feels sorry for.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Him Put joe's injury into, perspective because here's a guy
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: that had to go shoot with his. Offhand it was so.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Bad talk talk us through, that no hippo.
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: Go but you, know, so, Yeah, joe you know when
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: you come To Tough Guy, awards you, know he.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Up, Yeah joe's at the, top you.
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: Know and uh so that injury happens and it goes
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: undiagnosed because it's not a common.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Injury this.
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: It was called as cromel and which you, know you,
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: know rotator cuff, dislocation shoulder, separation those all terms we've
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: at least heard you know this aso chromeil is actually
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: where part of his clavical didn't, fuse and actually there
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: was two parts in his that didn't at. Birth, yeah
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: it's never, fused so you, know it's like a young
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: bone in, there and when he got hit in that,
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: shoulder it kind of displaced and obviously caused his pain
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: and they eventually had to have surgery on. That but
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: him being left, handed you, KNOW i, mean he taught
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: himself how to shoot right, handed go back to That kentucky.
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: GAME i, mean they just let him go and you,
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: KNOW i wouldn't even pay attention to him because you're
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: not going to shoot it in.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Everything AND i mean it is amazing.
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: That you, know he's very hard to, know it's very,
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: disciplined and you, know you give him a, challenge he'll overcome.
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: It you, know you, know don't challenge, him he'll he'll
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: he'll go right in your you, know face and, everything
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: and you'll figure something out to get around.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: It speaking of guys who tough guys played with, Pain
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Nate adrian's one of the guys that comes on this.
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: Show you know exactly his way. Up, Yeah Joe mizula
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: and THEN i was gonna Go. Nate and SOMETIMES i,
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: Say nate's my last tough, guy you, know so because
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: he's played with he played with multiple injuries too that
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: weren't always uh, publicized and he played right through him
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: and everything.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: Horrific shoulder there and at the end when That gonzaga. Game,
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: yeah we've talked about many.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Times, yeah, yeah so, Yeah nate's definitely a tough. Guy,
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: yeah just like.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: You, No i'm.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Not they played through his. Shoulder hoppy's got an it.
• 54:33
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  Speaker 3: Com, randy what has been your historic go to for
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: players who are supposed to be rehabbing but maybe aren't
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: as devoted to the rehabilitation process as they should.
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: Be, WELL i like to try and start with, myself you,
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: know really reach out to, them take them aside, private what's.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Up you, know we.
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: Need to do this to get. Better we need to
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: do this to get you where you're supposed to. Be
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: sometimes they're just struggling with. It maybe they're not been
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: injured before and don't totally understand what they need to.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Do so sometimes that. Works sometimes maybe they're, lazy or
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: maybe sometimes in forty, years we've had a few, turres.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: You, know maybe that might, be that might be A t.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Shirt we've had a few. Tures we've had a.
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: Futures so you, know maybe you reach, out maybe there's
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: an assistant, coach a strength, coach, teammate maybe someone else.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Can help find the.
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: Switch and then ultimately you can obviously go to the
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: head coach and they'll usually, find you, know, treadmill motivate
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: tires or some type of motivation to help them get.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: There so do you find, that do you find that
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: most generally, speaking most will do what's? Necessary?
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah most, are most are, Motivated, okay, Definitely and
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: that's one big reason WHY i wanted to stay in
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: athletics setting. SETTING i, MEAN i didn't want to work
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: with workman's comp or you, know with all due, respect
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: respected workers.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: Comp, yeah for people like, me old guys that are physical.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Therapy AND i WISH i wish we had the phone
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: roller here because he said it's going to be extremely.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: PAINFUL i. Would i'd love to see him take you
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: down to the floor and roll that thing over, there
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: just SO i could see you wins and.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: Pain it, does, Well randy will tell you it.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: Hurts what's gonna you just got to go through that
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: to get.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Better right, hypothesis agree or, disagree and probably you AND
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: i are probably one of the few guys that can
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: make this argument since we did. IT i maintain that
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: travel and the wear down on the body was harder
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: in The atlantic ten than The big.
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: Twelve hmmm, Interesting, yeah that's Well lank ten a lot
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: of bus and then you know the commercial flights because
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: we didn't have the charters back, then so that you, know,
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: oh you get back To, pittsburgh you still got an
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: hour and a half hour and forty five minutes because
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: it's baggage claim back on the, bus load the.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Bus, yeah here's my. Contention it's A wednesday game we're.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Playing let's say we're playing At rody on A. Wednesday
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: we were leaving the coliseum at a. Lot we're going
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: to The Pittsburgh Airport.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Tuesday On.
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday On, tuesday we're leaving at. Eleven we're gonna get
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: to The Pittsburgh. Airport we're gonna jack around. There we're
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: gonna fly off at like three. O'clock we get To
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Rhode island probably like six o'clock by the time we
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: get on the. Bus we practice there in the gym
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: at night. Ye get up the next. Morning, yeah teeny.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Keeney go to the walk, through play the, game go
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: back to the. Hotel leave the hotel at about ten
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: in the morning On. Thursday now On, thursday now leave the,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: hotel get to the, airport fly back To, pittsburgh get
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: on the, bus come back. Down one road. Game you
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Left tuesday at eleven and now you're Back thursday about four,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: o'clock four. Thirty that's one road. Game now you know
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: what the deal. Is, basically we're in the thirty eight
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: thirty six hours by the time you leave and you
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: come all the way. Back it's LIKE i just think
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: first class. SEATS i, say it's, easier even though you're going. Farther,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: well it's.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: It's still a.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: CHALLENGE i, mean there's parts of me THAT i want
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: to agree with, you but there's parts. TOO i, mean
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: when you're getting back at sometimes you, know we've gotten
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: back at four five, six we've seen daylight coming. Back
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: that's a, challenge and you got to take care of
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: yourself on the. Road and you, know if people aren't
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: eating or drinking right or getting the right, rest it
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: is still a. Challenge but total, time no, Comparison, yeah
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: remember we used to Combine Rhode island and Mash or Like.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Utah we became citizens Of utah this.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: Ye, yeah, wow that's a rare three week.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Trip we were In. Utah. Yeah next year it will Be.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Arizona we'll thank, you.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: Forever the travel is definitely a, challenge but having the
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: charters has definitely improved a, situation no doubt about. That
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: but you still need to be aware of because we're
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: jumping time zones and that's a little bit harder on the.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: Body and, uh the amount of time in the air
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: causes more dehydration. Too you, Know i'm a non pop,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: drinker so very anti. Caffeine so you.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: Don't do any.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Caffeine you don't do any caffeine at.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: All no.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: Coffee he frowns on us when we go on our
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: coffee walks on the. Road he does not think that's
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: a Good.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Oh you're a coffee. Here i'm.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Life, NO i don't know.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: CAFFEINE i think our listeners may be, surprised, no and
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: they're not going to like.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: You for, this.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Geez they may be surprised to know that it's just
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: part of the deal that when the officials that are
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: working the, game come into the. Arena oftentimes they they,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: limp they have they have ambulation, disorder they can't walk
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: because they've just gone five days in a. Row you
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: guys provide athletic training OR i should say physical therapy.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Whatever walk us through a little bit like what do
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: most officials come in.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: For, well there's a, variety and there's one official that
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: kind of got.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Banned OH i need to know this. Story you can
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: go with.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: This you're, done, dude go our our athletic trainer At.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: Kansas we kind of like him a lot because he
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: got one guy banned from coming to the athletic.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Training so what would this guy.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: Do, well he'd come in and SAY i need about
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: a five minute, stretch and about thirty five or forty five.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: Minutes, later you're, like you, KNOW i got other people
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: to take care of. Too it's like it's not all about.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: You and one official maybe kind of thought it was
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: all about.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Him OH i got to get the name after he
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: won't spill the beans.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: And it didn't necessarily help us get calls on those, nights.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: No, no but uh, yeah him and The kansas guy
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: got at, it and, uh.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Basically the kansasize the. Guys, DUDE i got to get
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: guys ready to get the hell out of.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: Here, YEAH i, mean we're here for the student. ATHLETE i.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: DON'T i MEAN i can't tell. YOU i mean, Officials
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: i've taken care of.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: You what do they? Normally just they need's a free.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: THING i got an. Achilles, okay you know do.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: This you know we treat you, know treated moisty, whatever
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: stretch it out and tape. It, yeah you know that's
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: not a big. Deal but you, know you got to
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: manage your time on game day and you can't spend
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: an enormous amount of time with one person that doesn't
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: he isn't even on your team and doesn't give you.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: Calls So.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: I'm totally for every treatment should equal a, call.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: And its treatment should get Exactly who are?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: SOMEBODY i should have had more final?
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Fours who's some of your favorite? Officials? Uh who would you?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: LIKE i. DON'T i don't like naming names. Again you
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: know what's?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Okay you know you're not saying they're they're bad. GUYS i,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: mean he doesn't want to leave somebody out he's.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: Met but a bunch of wonderful officials over.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: The years wonderful, men the right calls all the, Time,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: tony just Because, tony you're you're trying to draw him
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: into your, world because you were, constantly always, complaining complaining about,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: officials and you want to name, names and you want
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: you want, company you want company in, that And randy's
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: a good guy and he's not willing to do.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: That never think you're getting enough.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: CALLS i disagree with your assertion THAT i don't like.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: OFFICIALS i have great respect for. Him some of them
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: have better days than others at. Times and for the,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: RECORD i was not one of the broadcasters this year
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: at wuvu's press table that had an official look at
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: me and Go it wasn't.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: Me he was saying, hello he was waving to, me, Acknowledging,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: hey good to see.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: You it wasn't. Me i'm just saying that so you
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: can make your.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: Assertion told me he was doing a fine, job doing
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: an excellent job when he'd come over for, you you're
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: doing an excellent. Job he was just pointing back to,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: maybe like when you make a good pass on the
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: basketball for you AND soe to assist the guy that
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: scores is supposed to look at the passer and point like,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: acknowledging good. Job that's what was. Happening he misinterprets guy
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: was pointing saying great, job great and he heard my
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: take on the review and was acknowled that's a great.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: TAKE i, Think, WELL i think that's that's WHAT i saw.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: Happening in, fairness we've gone down a rabbit. Hole let's
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: Get randy off the hook on.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: THAT i JUST i just thought it might be interesting
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: for our listeners to know that. REFS i, mean because
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: they work, night they come in man, like they need,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: ice they need, heat they need some stem sometimes in
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: order to get them, tape and some guys really. Do
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of, tape.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: Right oh, YEAH i mean you talked about our. Travel
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• 1:05:37
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• 1:06:34
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  Speaker 5: FOUR i, Mean, petez that's only forty forty one years
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• 1:06:58
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• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: definitely that was a good. ONE i had one six
• 1:07:18
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• 1:07:20
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• 1:07:43
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• 1:07:45
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• 1:07:48
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• 1:07:52
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• 1:07:57
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• 1:08:03
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• 1:08:05
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• 1:08:09
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• 1:08:12
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• 1:08:17
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• 1:08:35
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• 1:08:57
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• 1:09:02
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• 1:09:29
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• 1:09:56
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• 1:09:59
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• 1:10:01
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• 1:10:11
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• 1:10:21
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• 1:10:26
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• 1:10:29
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• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: i wasn't here, yet But i've heard the story Is Dale,
• 1:10:34
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• 1:10:38
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• 1:10:55
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• 1:11:35
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• 1:11:50
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• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: the next game And West virginia wins and somebody ask
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  Speaker 3: him about the press. Conversation, coach you're gonna wear that code?
• 1:12:03
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• 1:12:42
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  Speaker 5: ABOUT i just hate Saying i'm, bragging but, uh in
• 1:17:13
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• 1:17:22
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• 1:17:29
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• 1:17:39
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• 1:17:46
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• 1:17:52
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  Speaker 3: Football so with forty times thirty twelve, hundred twelve, hundred
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: let's do thirty three.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Games let's do. Forty that's thirteen hundred and twenty. Games
• 1:18:08
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• 1:18:12
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• 1:18:16
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• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: YEAH i mean a lot of us. LUCK i, mean
• 1:18:23
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• 1:18:29
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• 1:18:31
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• 1:18:35
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• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Lucky just on that. Things but So i've never missed a.
• 1:18:40
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• 1:18:43
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• 1:19:02
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• 1:19:47
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• 1:20:06
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• 1:20:11
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