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Trump and Epstein: What the New York Times Revealed About Their Real Relationship (Part 3) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, were picking up where we
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left off with the New York Times article talking about
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the relationship between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein once again.
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This article was authored by Nicholas Confessor and Julie Tait.
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Dress Sexy. In the early two thousands, guest mingled in
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the library or dining room of mister Epstein's Upper east
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Side mansion as their host held court. The women were
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beautiful and numerous, The men were older and few. Occasionally,
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one of the women would head toward the bedrooms, one
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of the men would shortly follow. But wait, I thought
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that there was no trafficking going on here. I'm sure
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that all these women, some of them under age, were
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doing it willingly. Right right. One woman, then a model
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and college student in her early twenties living in Manhattan,
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said she attended four parties at the mansion. She can't
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recall the names of most of the men she met
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at the gatherings, not even those mister Epstein directed her
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to take care of. At two of them recruited by
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Miss Maxwell and then abused by mister Apstein. She buried
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her shame and kept their secrets for years, but mister
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Trump's presence stood out. She told The Times. He was
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a household name, someone mister Epstein often bragged about to
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the women around him, yet also someone he seemed to
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compete with. It was like a pissing contest who had
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the most women, she recalled. She requested anonymity to describe
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her experiences in detail, saying she feared for her family
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safety after mister Trump said some of his critics could
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be executed for sedition. Yo. If that's the case, I'm fucked.
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If they ever set up the guillotines, your boys definitely
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getting his head chopped off. To people in the modeling business,
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men like mister Trump and mister Epstein were familiar part
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of the scene, wealthy men who use their money, clout
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and personal connections in fashion to meet the young women
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who worked in the industry. Two days a week, you'd
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be at a model dinner at a restaurant, said Heather Braden,
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a model and filmmaker, and there'd be these men we
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didn't know. Miss Braden, who now lives in Utah, said
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she often saw mister Trump and mister Epstein at the
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same parties. Or dinners during the nineties in New York
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and South Florida, including at Mar A Lago, which mister
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Trump converted to a members club in nineteen ninety five.
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And do all these people have motivations to lie? All
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these people that are coming forward. It doesn't make sense,
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and I highly doubt that these people are lying. Now. Again,
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it doesn't prove criminality, but it certainly strengthens the bonds,
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and it really puts into perspective why Donald Trump is
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so worried about the files being released and information about
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his time with Jeffrey Epstein becoming public. Even if there
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is no criminal acts, just this stuff alone is enough
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to tarnish you. Donald Trump knows that, and that's why
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it took people to drag them kicking and screaming to
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have these files unsealed. If there was nothing damaging or
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something that exonerated them, forget it. We would have had
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them the day he got elected, you know, like he
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promised to do while he was on the campaign trail.
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That would have been nice, huh. But I said it
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then and I'll say it again. There was never a
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chance that Trump was gonna release the documents because he
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knew what was in them. Each man cultivated relationships that
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in turn put them in proximity to young women in
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the industry. Mister Epstein exploited his close relationship with Les Wexner,
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the owner of Victoria's Secret, sometimes telling women he could
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get them meetings or bookings. Photographers or camera crews captured
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mister Epstein and mister Trump together at Victoria's Secret events
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in ninety seven and ninety nine. And not only that,
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but Les Wexner was way more involved than anybody likes
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to let on. I urge you all to listen to
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what Maria Farmer had to say about Les Wexner, and
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also listened to what Virginia said. Wexner is not some
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peripheral character here. He was a central component to Jeffrey
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Epstein's operation for a very long time. And yes, he's
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been credibly accused of taking part in the abuse himself.
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So I would think that less Wexner would be talked
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about a little bit more. Everybody talks about they want names, names, names. Well,
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there's a name for you. What have you done with it?
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Oh that's right, not a damn thing. All these people
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out here talking about we want names. Why don't the
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survivors give us names well, because when they did name people,
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nobody did shit about it, and then they got sued,
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they got threatened, they had their lives upended. So guess what,
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here's the novel idea. Why didn't the DOJ name names
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you know, do their job, mister Trump, but friend did.
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The Hawaiian Tropic founder Ron Rice, who told the Boston
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Globe that he would send models and pageant contestants to
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mar A Lago for parties at mister Trump's request. And
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John Casiblancis, the founder of Elite Model Management, who is
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look at the Year contest mister Trump sponsored and helped
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judge in the early nineteen nineties. For Mari Lago gatherings,
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groups of models were sometimes busted in from Miami, often
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with the help of mister Trump's friend Jason Binn, co
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founder of the society magazine Ocean Drive. Mister Binn did
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not return calls an email seeking comment. Of course, not
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last thing he wants to do is out Trump right.
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He knows what the results are if he does that.
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Tina Davis, who work with Ford Models in the mid nineties,
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said in an interview that her Ford booker instructed her
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to get dressed up and attend a party at mar
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A Lago in late ninety four, just fourteen and new
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to Miami, she was told to dress sexy. According to
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her mother, Sandra Coleman, who had accompanied her to Florida,
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eight or nine other models came along on the bus.
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All the girls were really young, Miss Coleman were called
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in an interview, some of them could have been in
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training bras like, come on, why are those girls going
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anywhere without supervision? Why are those girls going to these
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modeling events? And why are people like Donald Trump and
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the rest of these scumbags okay with it? When they
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arrived at mar A Lago, Miss Coleman said that her
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daughter was promptly had and did a glass of champagne.
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She took it away, but waiters kept offering more. Each
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time one of the middle aged men at the party
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approached her daughter, Miss Coleman would walk over and introduce
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herself as Davis's mother. During a trip to the bathroom,
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they ran into mister Trump's new wife, whom they had
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met earlier. Miss Maples clasped her hands. Miss Coleman recalled
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and looked her in the eye. Whatever you do, do
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not let her around any of these men, and especially
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my husband, she told Miss Coleman protect her. Well, that's
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pretty fucking scary. Huh. Imagine somebody said that to you,
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somebody's wife. That's when I'd be hitting the eject button
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and taking my kid directly home. Well, I'd never have
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my kid at one of these things anyway. But that's
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neither here nor there. But the second I heard that, shit,
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see you later, we're out. Miss Maples denied making the comment.
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I would always protect young women in any way I could,
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she said, but I'm sure I didn't specifically say that
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about my daughter's father. Mister Epstein was a frequent guest
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at Marlago parties. A woman who said mister Epstein trafficked
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her in the late nineties and early two thousands were
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called attending at least a half dozen of the parties
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beginning when she was seventeen and modeling during the winter
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fashion season in Florida. Mister Epstein showed up at several
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of them too. He always seemed to know about events
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happening at Mar a Lago, she said, even when he
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didn't attend, and he was always curious about her experiences.
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The invitations typically came from mister Binn and Ocean Drive,
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bidding the models to be Donald Trump's guests at mar
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A Lago. According to one invitation she shared with The Times,
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the parties were open bar and no one checked IDs.
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She said. Mister Trump was always all over them, she recalled,
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So nobody was checking id's and it was an open bar,
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and you have all these little girls there. That sounds
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like a fucking recipe for disaster. No. The woman provided
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a picture of herself and a friend with mister Trump
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at mar A Lago. She said she didn't remember whether
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she was still seventeen at the time of the picture.
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She has not previously spoken publicly about the meeting with
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the future president, and asked for anonymity because she feared
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retaliation from him or his supporters. Again, people are scared
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of that. Anybody engaging in that behavior is a coward.
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Anyone attacking these women for telling their story is a
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complete and utter piece of shit. During the nineties, both
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mister Epstein and mister Trump also forged ties with an
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up and coming modeling agency known as Next and its
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co founder of Faith Kits, who had become one of
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the industry's major figures mister Epstein sometimes seen around NEXT
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office meetings, according to Miss Braden, who was represented by
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an agency that merged with Next in the early nineteen nineties.
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After mister Epstein's death, several former employees told The Daily
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Beast that they had seen mister Epstein around the NEXT
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offices or taken calls from him after he was arrested
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in Florida for soliciting underage girls. He also donated money
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to a charity funded and founded by Miss Kates. Mister
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Trump attended NEXT parties in New York, according to a
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former model who was represented by the agency in the
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late nineties and said she once found herself seated near
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mister Trump at the agency's holiday dinner. The agency also
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sometimes sent models to parties at mar A Lago. Zoe Brock,
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a New Zealand model who worked for NEXT in Miami,
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said she was pressured by the agency to attend one
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of mister Trump's parties in ninety eight when she was
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twenty four. Once she balked, a representative of the agency
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offered to pay her a few hundred dollars to attend.
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Not long after, she said, she boarded a bus with
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twenty or so other models at mar A Lago. Each
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woman was given a red and white striped wristband advertising them.
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Miss brockfelt as meet none of the other guests, chiefly
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men in tuxedos were the wristbands. The women were made
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to line up and meet mister Trump. Yeah, very normal behavior. Okay,
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all you women line up, you have to meet me.
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All you little fourteen year old girls come over and
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say hi to Daddy Diddles. I had a glass of
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champagne and I immediately felt not well, Miss Brock recalled, adding,
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I thought my drink had been spiked. It was Miss
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Kates who brought her client, Miss Williams to the ninety
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two dinner where she first met Epstein some months after
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she made her Sports Illustrated debut, and it was Miss
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Kate's who brought her to mister Trump's annual holiday party
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at the Plaza that fall, where she ran into mister
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Epstein again and where mister Trump also vied for her attention.
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Praising her recent spread in the Swimsuit Issue. Miss Williams said,
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I think they were trying to get as high up
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the chain of models as far as they could. Miss
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Williams said they wanted the biggest prize and the most
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famous model. But it was mister Epstein, not mister Trump,
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to whom she gave her number. One day the following year,
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as she strolled down Fifth Avenue, mister Epstein proposed visiting
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his friend in Trump Tower. The real purpose of the visit,
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Miss Williams later came to believe was to play a game.
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Two friends stood talking in mister Trump's waiting room. She said,
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the real estate developer pulled her towards them and groped
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her breast wist in buttocks. Mister Epstein acted like nothing
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had happened after they left, though he flew into a rage,
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berating Miss Williams for letting Trump touch her. That certainly
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tracks maybe not with you know, the whole story, but
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the way Epstein would react. He did the same thing
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with Harvey Weinstein. I'm convinced that's why he walked me
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in there, she said in a recent interview. He thought
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I would punch him in the face or something, but
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I froze. A Trump representative previously called her allegations unequivocally false.
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Miss Kates departed next in November, after emails released by
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Congress indicated that she and mister Epstein had remained close
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for years after his two thousand and eight plea on
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charges of soliciting a minor. A NEXT spokeswoman declined to
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answer questions sent by email, instead sending a statement that
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the agency has never had a business relationship with Jeffrey
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Epstein or Donald Trump. Miss Kates also declined to answer
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specific questions. Neither Faith nor anyone associated with NEXT ever
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brought clients to parties or dinners for any inappropriate purpose.
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A spokesman for Kate's had said the women who attended
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four parties at Epstein's mansion in the early two thousands
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said she had first met miss Maxwell at a show
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during New York Fashion Week in two thousand. Miss Maxwell
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presented herself as a wealthy, well educated mentor, taking her
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to lunch and charity events. Eventually, she offered to introduce
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her to a friend, mister Epstein. She said, Miss Maxwell
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told her that he could help her achieve her dream
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of modeling for Victoria's Secret. The three met at mister
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Epstein's mansion that fall and talked about her career. On
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a second visit, she recalled mister Epstein and Miss Maxwell
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began touching each other, and then her She froze, I
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don't know if I could have moved if I wanted to,
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she said. Expecting an apology, she returned for a third visit. Instead,
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she said, mister Epstein warned her that in the mansion
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had recorded their encounter. He insisted she come to parties there,
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Terrified that her parents and pastor would find what had happened.
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She acquiesced the women at the four parties she attended
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didn't seem to know one another. The other men arrived individually.
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She recalled meeting mister Trump at one of the parties.
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She showed The Times a handwritten address book she kept
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in those years containing mister Trump's name and two of
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his phone numbers. Mister Trump did not act inappropriately with her,
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the woman said. And again it's important to note a
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lot of people are going to say, well, look, there's
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nothing incriminating here for Trump. I disagree. Maybe not incriminating
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as far as abusing people, but lying. And that's a
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big deal, especially if you're the fucking president of the
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United States. The woman said. She hoped the Justice Department
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would release redacted documents relating to her interview with the FBI,
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which took place in New York City in the summer
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of twenty twenty, she said, in which she mentioned mister
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Trum Trump's presence at the parties that same year. According
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to documents the woman provided, she was interviewed about mister
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Trump and mister Epstein by representatives of the Epstein Victims
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Compensation Program and later received a settlement another victim's fund
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handling claims against JP Morgan to settle allegations that the
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bank ignored warnings about mister Epstein's abuses also approved the
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woman for a settlement, so not alleged somebody that got
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money got a settlement and somebody that was involved. She
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has since filed paperwork to join a Florida lawsuit by
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more than thirty women, most under pseudonyms, alleging that the
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FBI failed to properly investigate reports of sex crimes and
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child sex trafficking by mister Epstein dating to nineteen ninety six.
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Government lawyers have asked a judge to dismiss the case.
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The government knew about Epstein, they were aware of his
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sexual abuse of miners and young women, said Jennifer Plotkin,
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a lawyer for the women, and because they did nothing,
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hundreds and hundreds of women were abused over twenty years.
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Miss Maxwell is serving a twenty year federal prison sentence
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for conspiring with mister Abstein to traffic underage girls. Last July,
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the Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche traveled to Florida to interviewer.
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She acknowledged mister Trump's social relationship with mister Apstein, but
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said that he had never seen the President behave inappropriately.
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A week later, she was transferred to a minimum security prison.
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Her lawyers are now seeking to overturn her conviction. That
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whole entire thing is one of the biggest tells that
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this is a cover up, The fact that she was
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moved it is incredible to me. It's something that should
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be a bigger problem to a lot of people because
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it really shows intent. There's no reason for Maxwell to
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be moved unless she's playing ball, and it's obvious she's
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not playing ball, at least not for the survivors. Maybe
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for Trump, but not for the survivors, not for us.
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So if you're looking for a tell, if you're looking
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for evidence of a cover up, there it is rewriting history.
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In the early two thousands. Mister Epstein now extraordinarily wealthy
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and well connected, seemed to grow less content with the
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anonymity he had carefully drawn around his life and his business.
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In two thousand and two, practically inviting public scrutiny, he
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arranged a fly with former President Bill Clinton and a
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celebrity entourage on a humanitarian trip to Africa. Details of
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the trip were soon shared with The New York Post
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page six. Not long after New York magazine published the
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first major profile of mister Epstein, Mister Trump provided the
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headline quote, He's a lot of fun to be with.
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It's even said that he likes beautiful women as much
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as I do, and many of them are on the
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younger side. But sometime in the subsequent years their friendships houred.
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Exactly when and why is unclear. After the allegations against
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mister Epstein slowly began to emerge into view in the
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mid two thousands, accounts mister Trump and his representatives gave
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a their relationship and its end began to molt and morph.
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Mister Epstein was kicked out of mar A Lago for
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being inappropriate with a messuse or with the daughter of
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a member. Mister Trump had banned them for approaching employees
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or for being a creed. In other words, the story
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changes whenever it's convenient, and like usual, Trump's just trying
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to set himself up as some kind of hero. The
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first public signs of a breach came in two thousand
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and seven with an anonymous page six item, right as
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mister Epstein was negotiating a plea deal to resolve the
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first federal and stay charges against them. Mister Epstein, the
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Post reported, had been banned from mar A Lago for
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soliciting a messuse about eighteen years of age. The item
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appeared to refer to Virginia Roberts, who said she was
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recruited by Maxwell from mar A Lago' spa just shy
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of her seventeenth birthday back in two thousand, when mister
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Epstein and mister Trump were still close. Several years after
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the page six item, when Miss Roberts had gone public
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without lidations, mister Epstein wrote to Miss Maxwell expressing surprise
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that mister Trump had not gotten more attention, writing that
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his friend had spent hours at my house with Miss Roberts.
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Miss Maxwell replied that she had been thinking about the
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same thing in depositions in twenty sixteen, with mister Trump
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a leading contender for the world's most powerful public office.
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Miss Roberts said that mister Trump had never had sex
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with her and that she couldn't remember seeing him in
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mister Epstein's home. She died by suicide this April, and
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Virginia told me the same exact thing. When her and
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I talked about this, she told me the same thing.
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So I'm not going to sit here and make things up.
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I'm not going to sit here and tell you that
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I have proof that Trump was abusing people with Jeffrey Epstein.
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But what I will tell you is this, I think
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he's lied about the whole relationship, and I certainly think
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that there's a cover up under way. In two thousand
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and nine, mister Edwards, the lawyer representing a group of
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Epstein victims, set out to depose mister Dabstein's circle of
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powerful friends. In his book, mister Edwards wrote that mister
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Trump quickly agreed to a phone call. Mister Epstein was
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merely a business acquaintance. He told mister Edwards he cannot
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recall exactly why mister Epstein had been removed from mar
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A Lago. He said he had last seen him at
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the business meeting at mister Epstein's pom Beach home some
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time before the allegations came to light. The only reason
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Trump went on record is because they had the falling out,
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and Trump thought that he was going to be able
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to slam it home and cause problems for Epstein by
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having an interview with Brad Edwards. What you think Trump
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cared about the victims. No, he cared how he could
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use this information to his own benefit, the same thing
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he's doing now, but in reverse hiding the information because
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he knows it's damning against him. Even so, in early
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twenty fifteen, as mister Trump began exploring a presidential bid,
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stories about mister Epstein's widening legal trouble still referred to
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mister Trump as his friend. Mister Trump and his representatives
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became more of agressive. Mister Epstein was merely one of
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thousands of people who had visited mar A Lago. Alan Garton,
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mister Trump's top aide and lawyer, told BuzzFeed News he
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was even more definitive that following year, there was no
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relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump. Mister Garton told
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Fox News they were not friends and they did not
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socialize together. This is what I mean. This is what
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we should be focusing on the actual lies we can prove.
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If we do that, everything else is going to fall
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into place. When a reporter from the Associated Press asked
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mister Trump about mister Epstein in twenty fifteen, he responded elliptically.
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He was certainly a man about town, and because of
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the fact that is a small island, he got to
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know a lot of people, mister Trump said, referring to
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Palm Beach. When I started reading about the different things
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and then things were proven, that's a different planet, that's
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a different world. Interviews in public records, however, indicate that
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mister Trump at times had interacted socially with women. He
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kues mister Epstein and Miss Maxwell of grooming or abuse.
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The federal case against Miss Maxwell described her role in
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grooming three victims under the age of eighteen between ninety
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four and ninety seven. One of them, a woman known
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in court records as Jane Doe, alleged in a separate
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civil complaint that mister Epstein had taken her to visit
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mister Trump at mar A Lago in ninety four when
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she was fourteen. This is a good one, right, mister
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Epstein said, elbowing mister Trump playfully. According to the complaint,
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mister Trump smiled and nodded, and the two men chuckled.
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The victim said her case ended in a settlement with
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mister Epstein's estate. In twenty twenty one, testifying at Miss
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Maxwell's trial, she said she competed in mister Trump's Miss
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Teen USA pageant. Jack O'Donnell, who ran the Trump Plaza
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in Atlantic City for several years and later wrote a
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critical book about mister Trump, recalled in an interview that
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mister Trump once arrived at the casino after midnight one
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Sunday in September of eighty nine with mister Epstein and
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three young women. A state gambling inspector recognized one of
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the women as tennis star Gabriella Sabatini, who was nineteen
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and was too young to legally enter the casino. In
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a call that Monday, the inspector told mister O'Donnell that
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all the women looked very young, he said, soon after,
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mister o'donald called mister Trump to flag the issue. This
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is a repeating pattern here, Okay, Once or twice. You
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can write it off. This is a pattern and in
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my opinion, not so easily written off. Yeah, Jeffrey likes
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some young mister Trump, said, mister O'Donnell recalled in a
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recent interview too young for me. Mister o'donald previously described
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the episode in Slate. The White House called his account
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of fabrication. Efforts to reach Miss Abatteini were unsuccessful. Everything's
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a fabrication, right, Nothing's ever true unless it gives Trump
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a good light. Whatever the cause of their latest falling out,
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mister Epstein remained obsessed with mister Trump. In the years
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after their last known contact. He exchanged hundreds of email
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with others mentioning his former friend. As mister Trump's political
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career took flight in the mid twenty tens, mister Epstein's
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umbrage seemed to grow. Even as he maneuvered to regain
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influence within mister Trump's world. He mocked and criticized him
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in private, calling him nuts and evil beyond belief. According
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to emails released by Congress, he resented mister Trump's efforts
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to distance himself. The email's show his older, smoother, former
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friend seemed untouchable, while he was enveloped in scandals once again,
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as more and more victims came forward with their accounts
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of abuse. In an interview taped by mister Wolf in
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twenty seventeen and published by The Daily Beasts last year,
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mister Epstein described what he said was mister Trump's technique
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for trying to bed the wives of friends. Mister Wolf
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asked how he had such intimate knowledge of mister Trump.
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I was Donald's closest friend for ten years, mister Epstein replied,
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in emails, he hinted to friends that he could take
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mister Trump down. He didn't say how. All right, folks,
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Well that's the New York Times profile on the relationship
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between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. And I think they
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did a good job in connecting the dots here and
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putting things into context, because there's no doubt that Jeffrey
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Epstein and Donald Trump had a friendship that lasted for years.
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So for me, the real question is this, what did
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Donald Trump know and when did he know it. All
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of the information that goes with this episode can be
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