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- 0:11Speaker 1: We just had a gentleman come up to our front
- 0:13Speaker 1: door claims that he's been shot.
- 0:16Speaker 2: Well, well, mister Beasley sets up that's Craigslist ad. He
- 0:19Speaker 2: puts himself in the position of power.
- 0:22Speaker 1: My twin brother, who's fifty one years old, found a
- 0:25Speaker 1: job on Craigslist as a farm caretaker. Dear Cambridge.
- 0:31Speaker 3: It's an aspect of unfair play, using technology like craigslists
- 0:36Speaker 3: to lure men and then find themselves in horrific situations.
- 0:42Speaker 1: I've been looking through newspaper articles and shawl the one
- 0:45Speaker 1: about the man that was loured and had been shot.
- 0:47Speaker 1: This is just too pose to what my brother was
- 0:50Speaker 1: going there for.
- 0:51Speaker 4: But he found the job on Craiglist too.
- 0:54Speaker 1: Yes you did.
- 0:56Speaker 5: I knew there was a dark side, but not to
- 1:00Speaker 5: the extent that it turned out to be.
- 1:03Speaker 6: It occurs to Richard Beasley, what if I do this
- 1:08Speaker 6: as my next career.
- 1:11Speaker 7: When I turned around mister Gag who was in kind
- 1:13Speaker 7: of mister Beasley, did he seemed to be dead?
- 1:16Speaker 8: Yes, he was dead.
- 1:17Speaker 9: It hit me really hard.
- 1:19Speaker 5: He was a wolf in cheap's clothing. I thought it,
- 1:22Speaker 5: and guess what I was right.
- 2:03Speaker 10: Akron Ohio was once the buckle on America's industrial belt.
- 2:08Speaker 9: Akron used to be a really booming city. It was
- 2:11Speaker 9: a rubber capital the.
- 2:13Speaker 2: Turn of the century, nineteen hundreds. You couldn't have found
- 2:16Speaker 2: a more bustling and important area to the world economy.
- 2:20Speaker 2: But times changed, and certainly as a lot of jobs
- 2:24Speaker 2: have been automated and left. You know, we felt it
- 2:27Speaker 2: harder than most and it's hard to remember what a
- 2:30Speaker 2: different world we were in in the end of twenty eleven,
- 2:34Speaker 2: and Ohio was harder hit than many other states. So
- 2:36Speaker 2: there was a lot of people feeling a lot of pain,
- 2:38Speaker 2: a lot of employment pain, and a lot of people
- 2:40Speaker 2: looking for opportunities wherever they could.
- 2:46Speaker 10: Craigslist is booming as a website where people can find anything,
- 2:50Speaker 10: even a job. In the fall of twenty eleven, more
- 2:53Speaker 10: than one hundred people responded to an ad posted on
- 2:56Speaker 10: the site by Richard Beasley.
- 2:59Speaker 6: It's three dollars week. They have a trailer they can
- 3:03Speaker 6: live on.
- 3:04Speaker 5: You know.
- 3:04Speaker 6: The only drawbacks are, hey, you know, your cell phone
- 3:07Speaker 6: probably isn't going to work, and you got to want
- 3:10Speaker 6: to be by yourself because you're kind of going to
- 3:11Speaker 6: be off the grid.
- 3:14Speaker 5: This is a.
- 3:15Speaker 6: Difficult time financially. We had the two thousand and eight
- 3:18Speaker 6: kind of home crisis, and there are a lot of
- 3:21Speaker 6: people who were really in very difficult financial straits.
- 3:26Speaker 10: Fifty six year old Ralph Geiger is one example. He's
- 3:29Speaker 10: living in a homeless shelter, having lost the construction company
- 3:33Speaker 10: he used to run. He applies for Richard Beasley's job
- 3:36Speaker 10: on the farm in Caldwell, Ohio.
- 3:39Speaker 6: This is somebody who's down on his luck for the
- 3:41Speaker 6: past few years. This guy had a good history of working,
- 3:44Speaker 6: but now he's in a bad place. He's desperate for work.
- 3:47Speaker 6: He's going to look for a job in the library
- 3:49Speaker 6: every day.
- 3:51Speaker 3: This is someone who who says, Wow, I'm looking on Craigslist.
- 3:55Speaker 3: This opportunity exists for me to have a new life,
- 3:59Speaker 3: perfect job. I'm going to drive and take my possessions there.
- 4:03Speaker 3: I'm going to get interviewed, and then I'm going to
- 4:05Speaker 3: find this wonderful outcome that's going to give me a
- 4:09Speaker 3: fresh start.
- 4:10Speaker 10: Countless other men like Ralph are also interested in the
- 4:13Speaker 10: job and the chance to start a new life. David Polly,
- 4:17Speaker 10: Scott Davis, and Tim Kern are all unemployed and hope
- 4:22Speaker 10: Beasley's advert could be just the break they need. Richard
- 4:27Speaker 10: Beasley will arrange to meet and interview all of them.
- 4:32Speaker 10: Most of them will end up dead. They never really
- 4:39Speaker 10: knew the man who posted the ad.
- 4:44Speaker 6: So Richard Beasley reportedly was physically abused by his stepfather,
- 4:48Speaker 6: came out later that he had been sexually abused by
- 4:50Speaker 6: some neighbors, and so he really did start out I
- 4:53Speaker 6: think with some pretty significant trauma. He was interested in
- 4:56Speaker 6: school to some extent. He had said at one point
- 5:00Speaker 6: that it was important to have Christians as friends because
- 5:02Speaker 6: they would always vouch for you. And so I think
- 5:05Speaker 6: from an early age we see a little bit of
- 5:07Speaker 6: Richard Beasley kind of realizing that two year around and
- 5:13Speaker 6: how you pretend to be it can really get you places.
- 5:17Speaker 10: Richard graduates from high school in nineteen seventy six and
- 5:20Speaker 10: trains to become a machinist, but he quickly loses interest.
- 5:25Speaker 6: So he moves to Texas, has a job or two
- 5:27Speaker 6: that are legitimate, and then quickly kind of gives that
- 5:30Speaker 6: up and really becomes a prolific burglar. He is arrested
- 5:34Speaker 6: for that, and you know, the judge throws the book
- 5:37Speaker 6: at him when he receives like forty years in prison.
- 5:40Speaker 6: He only though, does about four so he is released
- 5:43Speaker 6: and he goes back to Ohio. He meets his wife.
- 5:48Speaker 6: They're both avid motorcycle enthusiasts.
- 5:51Speaker 4: My name's Tina Beasley.
- 5:53Speaker 5: I'm sixty two years old and I is married to
- 5:57Speaker 5: Richard Beasley. Was an instant attraction for both of us.
- 6:03Speaker 5: Me I fell for them gorgeous blue eyes, oh and him.
- 6:10Speaker 5: I'm not sure why he fell for me, but it
- 6:14Speaker 5: was instant.
- 6:15Speaker 4: I mean we clicked instantly.
- 6:18Speaker 5: And then it wasn't too long after date and I
- 6:21Speaker 5: became pregnant, so we decided to get married.
- 6:27Speaker 4: We had a biker wedding.
- 6:29Speaker 5: Basically my family was there, his family was there, but
- 6:34Speaker 5: everybody else was from our mutual biker friends.
- 6:39Speaker 4: Three days later, Tanya was born.
- 6:44Speaker 9: My name is Tanya Beasley. I'm thirty years old, and
- 6:48Speaker 9: Richard Beasley is my father. My dad was a really
- 6:52Speaker 9: goofy dad. He liked to have fun. He would actually
- 6:55Speaker 9: get down and kind of use his imagination with me
- 6:58Speaker 9: when we were drawing. It was story telling and dragons
- 7:02Speaker 9: and monsters and all that kind of cool stuff. Like
- 7:06Speaker 9: I actually felt like he was a kid like me,
- 7:08Speaker 9: just having fun.
- 7:10Speaker 10: With a new family. Tina wants to leave the biker
- 7:13Speaker 10: gang that she and Richard are members of, but Richard
- 7:17Speaker 10: wants to stay.
- 7:20Speaker 2: Matthew the lifestyle motorcycle gang is a close knit community,
- 7:23Speaker 2: you know, they are very tight knit. They don't let
- 7:24Speaker 2: it outsiders, even if it becomes violent. Often involved in drugs.
- 7:28Speaker 2: At that time, we were seeing a lot of meth
- 7:29Speaker 2: moving through motorcycle gangs.
- 7:33Speaker 4: He was a good bother. He was good to me.
- 7:38Speaker 4: He had a paycheck every week, bills.
- 7:41Speaker 5: Were paid, but I had no clue what he was doing.
- 7:47Speaker 5: And then I found out he wasn't working. The paychecks wasn't.
- 7:52Speaker 4: Real, and then I knew what he was doing for
- 7:56Speaker 4: a living.
- 7:58Speaker 10: In the mid nineteen with Tanya, a little girl, Richard
- 8:02Speaker 10: becomes involved in illegal firearms.
- 8:05Speaker 9: While my dad was being this ideal father from the outside,
- 8:10Speaker 9: he actually at the time was breaking and entering. He
- 8:13Speaker 9: was illegally selling weapons. So it looks like he was
- 8:17Speaker 9: doing the right thing, But he kind of had a
- 8:19Speaker 9: double life in a sense too. He was a father
- 8:22Speaker 9: but also a really good con man. Even just from the.
- 8:24Speaker 5: Start, everything was doing good until they come to arrest him.
- 8:34Speaker 5: At that time, I had to have a hysterectomy I
- 8:38Speaker 5: got out of the surgery and there was no rich
- 8:42Speaker 5: no page from him, no call from him.
- 8:46Speaker 4: He just disappeared.
- 8:56Speaker 5: They had raided dar Allison ripped up my ouches looking
- 9:02Speaker 5: for weapons.
- 9:04Speaker 4: Oh, I was mad.
- 9:14Speaker 9: I do remember being all dressed up for the court
- 9:16Speaker 9: date and having to hug him and say bye. But
- 9:20Speaker 9: I didn't realize what four It was more and more
- 9:27Speaker 9: of real As I got older.
- 9:32Speaker 5: I knew there was a dark side, but not to
- 9:36Speaker 5: the extent that it turned out to be.
- 9:49Speaker 10: Richard Beasley is behind bars for dealing drugs and carrying
- 9:52Speaker 10: illegal weapons. In two thousand and three, he's released early,
- 9:57Speaker 10: and twelve year old Tanya is unaware her mother or
- 10:00Speaker 10: filed for divorce.
- 10:02Speaker 5: We had the perfect family life for her sake. We
- 10:05Speaker 5: stayed together, but we separated. He was very upset about it.
- 10:11Speaker 5: Even to this day, rich still has not come to
- 10:14Speaker 5: terms the dy divorced him. We still tried to be friends.
- 10:20Speaker 5: It wasn't like it was before. I just didn't trust him.
- 10:25Speaker 10: But after his release, Richard Beasley swears he's now a
- 10:29Speaker 10: changed man.
- 10:30Speaker 6: While he is in prison, during the seven year stint,
- 10:34Speaker 6: Richard Beasley finds God, He reads the Bible, He memorizes
- 10:39Speaker 6: Bible verses, and when he gets out, he tells his
- 10:44Speaker 6: daughter and other people that his life is changed and
- 10:47Speaker 6: he is going to spend the rest of his life
- 10:51Speaker 6: helping other people.
- 10:52Speaker 10: Beasley puts his newfound faith into action on Akron streets.
- 10:57Speaker 10: He becomes a self styled pastor and even earns the
- 11:00Speaker 10: nickname Chaplin rich.
- 11:02Speaker 9: There were all these people who had been down on
- 11:05Speaker 9: their luck their whole lives. They'd been in and out
- 11:07Speaker 9: of prison their whole lives, and so he kind of
- 11:11Speaker 9: was a role model in the senset no matter how
- 11:13Speaker 9: many times you do fall, you can get back up,
- 11:16Speaker 9: not just the first time you fall, not just the
- 11:18Speaker 9: second time you fall. It's almost like an ebb and
- 11:20Speaker 9: a flow. And he showed people.
- 11:23Speaker 6: That he does, for a while go out and minister
- 11:30Speaker 6: to other people. He goes to soup kitchens, he volunteers
- 11:32Speaker 6: his time. And the question I think becomes is this genuine?
- 11:36Speaker 6: And so we don't know completely with Richard Beasley.
- 11:41Speaker 3: Opportunities still exist. When one is around vulnerable people who
- 11:46Speaker 3: are looking for help, it can be very easy to
- 11:49Speaker 3: hurt them as they look for that help. So what
- 11:53Speaker 3: comes first trying to rehabilitate and try to be a
- 11:57Speaker 3: different person, or seeing that as an opportune to see
- 12:01Speaker 3: people who will need your help and then you can
- 12:03Speaker 3: take advantage of them.
- 12:12Speaker 5: They were driving and I believe he was hit by
- 12:15Speaker 5: a dump truck. His truck rolled, it severed his achilles tendon,
- 12:21Speaker 5: broke asternum.
- 12:23Speaker 9: Not only did it affect his ability to work, but
- 12:26Speaker 9: he also was prescribed painkillers. Ultimately, his accident led to
- 12:31Speaker 9: him being addicted to oxyconton. At the time, he was
- 12:36Speaker 9: getting into street ministry with individuals who were addicts, so
- 12:40Speaker 9: I think there was that struggle at one point he did.
- 12:42Speaker 9: I don't think he realized he was addicted to it.
- 12:54Speaker 9: After his accident, he used part of a settlement to
- 12:56Speaker 9: buy a house an Akron, and it was in kind
- 12:59Speaker 9: of rough neighborhood. So he helped the people in the
- 13:02Speaker 9: neighborhood and through his ministry, get back on their feet.
- 13:06Speaker 9: And he converted the bottom into his apartment so he
- 13:08Speaker 9: could monitor what was going on in the rooms and
- 13:10Speaker 9: the housing upstairs.
- 13:13Speaker 6: And he begins to go to the courts and he
- 13:16Speaker 6: was vouching for people. He is going on the streets,
- 13:19Speaker 6: he's recruiting people and people in town are thinking, man,
- 13:23Speaker 6: You know Chaplain Ridge is a great, great guy.
- 13:26Speaker 9: When my dad first got his halfway house, a lot
- 13:29Speaker 9: of people were donating furniture. When he first got out
- 13:32Speaker 9: of prison, a lot of people donated stuff. So by
- 13:34Speaker 9: the time he finished setting up, he had all this
- 13:37Speaker 9: extra stuff. So he asked me to make the Craigslist
- 13:40Speaker 9: account so he could sell all of this these extra
- 13:45Speaker 9: things that he had. And of course at the time,
- 13:50Speaker 9: Craigslist was the place to go to sell and buy stuff. Also,
- 13:54Speaker 9: at the time it was a leading technology, was a
- 13:56Speaker 9: computer or a laptop, and so he had no idea
- 13:59Speaker 9: of how to use that stuff. In the beginning. I
- 14:02Speaker 9: had to help him a lot, but then after that
- 14:05Speaker 9: he learned and did it all himself. So first it
- 14:17Speaker 9: was just men that lived in the house, and then
- 14:20Speaker 9: it started becoming here and there, Oh, well, there's a
- 14:22Speaker 9: woman that needs help. And when you start mixing things
- 14:26Speaker 9: like that, it gets massy real quick, and that's when
- 14:31Speaker 9: things really started going south.
- 14:38Speaker 2: He had manipulated the system enough to get some defendants
- 14:41Speaker 2: sent to him as part of their probation.
- 14:43Speaker 8: So what he's doing here is two different things.
- 14:45Speaker 2: He's trying to scam money from the courts for this,
- 14:49Speaker 2: you make work halfway house. But we also found out
- 14:52Speaker 2: is that in doing so, he's trying to get women
- 14:55Speaker 2: who are drug addicts into his halfway house and trying
- 14:58Speaker 2: to turn them into prostitutes.
- 15:01Speaker 9: And around that time he started getting a little snippy,
- 15:04Speaker 9: like he would snap at me over random things and
- 15:08Speaker 9: not the kind person I know, which I know I
- 15:11Speaker 9: knew at the time. When you're on drugs, that's what happens.
- 15:14Speaker 9: It affects your personality. It almost felt like overnight there
- 15:17Speaker 9: was this great, awesome dad and then there was this
- 15:22Speaker 9: hateful kind of show of the guy that I knew,
- 15:24Speaker 9: but to everybody else he was great.
- 15:27Speaker 6: There was some psychological payoff for him, this idea of,
- 15:32Speaker 6: you know, kind of getting off on other people, fooling
- 15:35Speaker 6: other people. There's a term called duping delight. It's people
- 15:40Speaker 6: who get psychological satisfaction from fooling other people. You know,
- 15:45Speaker 6: Richard Beasley was showing up at court and pretending to
- 15:48Speaker 6: be this wonderful person and having this facade in the community.
- 15:52Speaker 6: It's hard not to believe, as elaborate as it was,
- 15:56Speaker 6: that he wasn't getting some kind of thrill or some
- 15:58Speaker 6: kind of satisfaction out of that part of it as well.
- 16:02Speaker 5: He pretended to be a Christian burden hell for that.
- 16:08Speaker 4: Excuse me saying that. But yeah, God forgives.
- 16:11Speaker 5: But I don't think that you can be a man
- 16:13Speaker 5: of God and run a prostitution and drug ring out
- 16:16Speaker 5: of your house either.
- 16:21Speaker 9: At the time, I was dating someone who was older
- 16:24Speaker 9: than me, and I found out that my dad had
- 16:28Speaker 9: been using him to sell pills in marijuana in my
- 16:33Speaker 9: hometown to people. That's when I completely cut off contact.
- 16:42Speaker 10: By twenty eleven, Richard Beasley is under scrutiny by Akron
- 16:46Speaker 10: police for sex trafficking. His behavior is deteriorating, and he's
- 16:52Speaker 10: now a wanted man following a probation violation.
- 16:56Speaker 6: Richard Beasley really does feel like I think his back
- 16:58Speaker 6: is up against the wall. And one of the things
- 17:00Speaker 6: he had said on several occasions is he did not
- 17:04Speaker 6: want to go back to prison, and so he began scheming,
- 17:08Speaker 6: you know, Okay, how am I going to avoid this.
- 17:10Speaker 6: I can't go on the run with my name and
- 17:13Speaker 6: with all my history. I can't. I mean, that's not
- 17:15Speaker 6: going to work. And so he comes up with this
- 17:18Speaker 6: horrendous scheme, I'm going to find somebody who looks like me,
- 17:24Speaker 6: who's about the same age that I am, Somebody who
- 17:28Speaker 6: is older, somebody who's vulnerable, somebody who isn't going to
- 17:33Speaker 6: be missed. They don't have a lot of family ties.
- 17:37Speaker 6: If I can find that person, I can just kill
- 17:40Speaker 6: them and assume their identity.
- 17:44Speaker 10: In the summer of twenty eleven, Beasley plans to lure
- 17:47Speaker 10: potential victims to him with an ad.
- 17:50Speaker 4: He's placed on Craigslist.
- 17:52Speaker 10: And then he's going to kill them and steal their
- 17:54Speaker 10: identities to avoid being captured by police.
- 17:58Speaker 3: Look at the situation and the desperateness that some people
- 18:02Speaker 3: may have. Here's a person that says, there are people
- 18:06Speaker 3: without work, there are people without opportunity, there are people addicted,
- 18:10Speaker 3: there are people involved in prostitution. This is now starting
- 18:13Speaker 3: to come my way.
- 18:15Speaker 2: Well, well, mister Beasley sets up that Craigslist ad. He
- 18:17Speaker 2: puts himself in the position of power. He's the one
- 18:21Speaker 2: who has the job, so he can ask any questions
- 18:24Speaker 2: of any applicants, and so he can find out who's local,
- 18:28Speaker 2: who's not local, who has strong family ties, who doesn't
- 18:31Speaker 2: have strong family ties. You know, it's not going to
- 18:33Speaker 2: be a coincidence that he winds up with several victims
- 18:36Speaker 2: who don't have a lot of close family ties, and he.
- 18:40Speaker 9: Knew that if these people had no one that would
- 18:42Speaker 9: miss them, and they brought all their belongings for this job,
- 18:46Speaker 9: he'd be able to sell their belongings. There's the money,
- 18:49Speaker 9: steal their identities because they had long hair and looked
- 18:51Speaker 9: like him. There's the drugs. And then he had this
- 18:54Speaker 9: huge plot of land wherever he was saying that provided
- 18:58Speaker 9: him a place to live. So at that point in
- 19:00Speaker 9: his head, he was just trying to survive and get
- 19:03Speaker 9: his drugs.
- 19:04Speaker 10: Estranged from his daughter and physically unable to carry out
- 19:08Speaker 10: his plan alone. Richard Beasley develops a closer bond with
- 19:11Speaker 10: Broken Rafferty, the sixteen year old son of a close friend.
- 19:16Speaker 2: Our investigation showed that Broken Rafferty his dad was pretty
- 19:20Speaker 2: high up in a local club, and we kind of
- 19:22Speaker 2: think that's how those two, mister Beasley and mister Rafferty
- 19:25Speaker 2: started to meet.
- 19:26Speaker 6: I think that he certainly probably enjoyed the attention and
- 19:32Speaker 6: that love and the admiration he got from this young child.
- 19:37Speaker 4: He would teach Broken things.
- 19:40Speaker 5: At first, it was about Christ and church and everything
- 19:45Speaker 5: like that.
- 19:46Speaker 4: Then it turned into.
- 19:48Speaker 5: Mafia and broken copied Rich's dress. You know, were the
- 19:54Speaker 5: same leather jacket, identical leather jacket and jean, same brand,
- 20:00Speaker 5: the genes, and he just became obsessed with Rich.
- 20:05Speaker 3: Sixteen year olds, please don't be fooled, are still in
- 20:08Speaker 3: the formative stage. The brain is still forming what we
- 20:12Speaker 3: call it the teen brain. So perhaps that sixteen year
- 20:14Speaker 3: old is looking for a definition of life, looking for
- 20:18Speaker 3: those materialistic goods the fifty year old is able to
- 20:21Speaker 3: provide it. The fifty year old is looking for a
- 20:24Speaker 3: person that has the youthfulness to allow for some of
- 20:28Speaker 3: these criminal activities to take place.
- 20:30Speaker 10: Fifty six year old Ralph Geiger, who's now homeless after
- 20:34Speaker 10: losing his job running a construction company, is the first
- 20:37Speaker 10: to answer Beasley's ad I'm.
- 20:40Speaker 8: Out of work.
- 20:41Speaker 3: Here's an opportunity for me to work. Here's an opportunity
- 20:43Speaker 3: for me to be on a farm, and all I
- 20:45Speaker 3: have to do is answer this call meet with this person.
- 20:50Speaker 3: It's an aspect of almost unfair play that this would
- 20:54Speaker 3: be set up in this way, using technology like craigslists
- 20:58Speaker 3: to lure men to find these jobs and then find
- 21:01Speaker 3: themselves in horrific situations.
- 21:04Speaker 6: Ralph becomes Richard Beasley's avenue in his mind to escape
- 21:11Speaker 6: going back to prison. So he and Ralph and Brogan
- 21:24Speaker 6: meet up and they basically get the car and they
- 21:31Speaker 6: go out in the woods, allegencing to this farm. Richard
- 21:37Speaker 6: makes up some ruse to get Ralph out of the
- 21:41Speaker 6: car and they go through the woods. Somehow Richard gets
- 21:47Speaker 6: behind Ralph Geibert, and Richard Beasley just pulls out a
- 21:51Speaker 6: gun and shoots him at the back of the head.
- 22:03Speaker 9: My dad was so far into drug usage at the time.
- 22:06Speaker 9: He knew it was wrong, but I don't think he
- 22:08Speaker 9: could emotionally connect to it. When you're on drugs, it's
- 22:11Speaker 9: all about self gain, what benefits you, what helps you
- 22:16Speaker 9: get your next high, and that's all he was thinking about.
- 22:22Speaker 6: Richard now becomes Ralph Geiger. He asked people who knew
- 22:27Speaker 6: him to start calling him Ralph, which I can only
- 22:29Speaker 6: imagine what they thought about that. He rents a room
- 22:32Speaker 6: under the name Ralph Geiger, and it occurs to Richard
- 22:37Speaker 6: Beasley aka Ralph Geiger at this point that man, that
- 22:41Speaker 6: was so easy. Nobody's looking for Ralph Geiger. I need money.
- 22:45Speaker 4: My back hurts.
- 22:46Speaker 6: I don't want to work. So what if I do
- 22:49Speaker 6: this as my next career. I mean, this is really
- 22:53Speaker 6: the beginning of Richard Besley the serial killer.
- 23:04Speaker 10: For two months, Richard Beasley has been living under the
- 23:07Speaker 10: identity of Ralph Geiger, a homeless man who Beasley killed
- 23:11Speaker 10: after responding to a Craigslist ad. Now he's looking for
- 23:15Speaker 10: another victim. From the applicants to.
- 23:17Speaker 6: His ad, he is looking for very very specific vulnerable victims,
- 23:23Speaker 6: lack of family ties, middle aged, willing to go off
- 23:28Speaker 6: the grid. And so he gets over a hundred replies
- 23:33Speaker 6: for this position.
- 23:39Speaker 10: Beasley agrees to meet fifty one year old David Paully.
- 23:43Speaker 2: So, mister Pauley is coming from Norfolk, Virginia, which is
- 23:45Speaker 2: almost a ten hour drive for Macro Ohio. He's not
- 23:48Speaker 2: coming here just to find out about a job. He
- 23:50Speaker 2: packed up his U haul and moved all of his
- 23:51Speaker 2: possessions here, so he was coming here with the attention
- 23:54Speaker 2: to stay here and make a new life here. And
- 23:56Speaker 2: I think that mister Polly being willing and able to
- 23:59Speaker 2: leave Norfolk, Virginia and drive ten hours for a promise
- 24:03Speaker 2: of a job or the possibility of a job, shows
- 24:06Speaker 2: how desperate mister Pauli was at the time, and frankly,
- 24:09Speaker 2: how a lot of people were at the time.
- 24:11Speaker 3: Can you imagine the helplessness and the hopelessness that exist
- 24:15Speaker 3: in someone responding to that thinking that this is a
- 24:18Speaker 3: new start again, the vulnerabilities of people lending them to
- 24:23Speaker 3: take down their guard a step or two.
- 24:26Speaker 2: He starts hearing from these victims and luring them to Ohio.
- 24:30Speaker 2: Some of the questions he's asking are do you have meds? Clearly,
- 24:33Speaker 2: drugs is a through line through all.
- 24:34Speaker 9: Of this, so the motive was him stealing identities and
- 24:39Speaker 9: trying to get money and drugs while not getting caught
- 24:42Speaker 9: by the police. He was so numb to what he
- 24:45Speaker 9: was doing he didn't grasp the concept of another human life.
- 24:56Speaker 6: So David Paully is beside himself. He packs all of
- 24:59Speaker 6: the stuff up, he drives all the way to Ohio.
- 25:04Speaker 6: He meets with the person who he thinks his name Jack.
- 25:11Speaker 6: Jack's nephew Brogan is also with him, and once again
- 25:17Speaker 6: he does the same ruse. He convinces David to go
- 25:21Speaker 6: out into the woods. They go for a walk. Richard
- 25:25Speaker 6: Beasley gets behind him and shoots him at the back
- 25:28Speaker 6: of the head. What struck me was how much psychological
- 25:33Speaker 6: payoff there seemed to be for Richard Beasley in running
- 25:38Speaker 6: the schemes and duping the people around him, And I
- 25:43Speaker 6: think that motive was extremely powerful him, and probably more
- 25:46Speaker 6: powerful to him than he even realized or would acknowledge.
- 25:50Speaker 2: We see a lot of time pass between that first victim,
- 25:52Speaker 2: mister Geiger, and that second victim, mister Pawley. But given
- 25:56Speaker 2: that the time had passed and still nothing happened, they're
- 25:58Speaker 2: even more in bold and they're not going to wait
- 25:59Speaker 2: to time. They're going to move faster this time, and
- 26:01Speaker 2: that's exactly what they did.
- 26:03Speaker 10: Less than three weeks later, fifty year old Scott Davis
- 26:07Speaker 10: is on his way to meet Richard Beasley.
- 26:09Speaker 2: Scott Davis was from South Carolina, but he was living
- 26:11Speaker 2: locally with his mom in Masly in, Ohio, so that's
- 26:14Speaker 2: about forty minutes from Macron. But like everyone else, he
- 26:17Speaker 2: was also kind of down on his luck at his time.
- 26:19Speaker 2: So this is how he comes into mister Beasley's orbit.
- 26:21Speaker 2: Mister Beasley is still relying on that same Craigslist ad,
- 26:24Speaker 2: He's still getting people interested in that job, and he's
- 26:27Speaker 2: still going back to that same ad and going to
- 26:29Speaker 2: the same pool of victims to pick from him.
- 26:37Speaker 8: So what we find is.
- 26:37Speaker 2: Mister Beasley lures mister Davis to a restaurant just like
- 26:40Speaker 2: he did mister Polly. They have their meal there, and
- 26:43Speaker 2: he takes them to the same secluded wooded area with
- 26:46Speaker 2: every intention of killing mister Davis just like he killed
- 26:49Speaker 2: mister Pally.
- 26:51Speaker 6: And so once again, Richard Beasley pulls out the gun
- 26:57Speaker 6: Poinston Scott's head and it and go off. There's a click,
- 27:04Speaker 6: and Scott turns around and sees this gun. Now, Richard
- 27:10Speaker 6: Beasley fires again, and this time he doesn't miss, and
- 27:13Speaker 6: he hits Scott in the elbow, which is a pretty
- 27:16Speaker 6: serious injury. But Scott absolutely takes off and he is
- 27:20Speaker 6: running for his life and Richard Beasley is looking everywhere,
- 27:25Speaker 6: and so is rug and Rafferty and Scott Davis is
- 27:28Speaker 6: running just losing blood as he goes. He ends up
- 27:33Speaker 6: hiding in this creek bed for like seven hours, losing
- 27:38Speaker 6: blood this entire time. After seven hours, it's freezing outside
- 27:46Speaker 6: and he's losing blood. This man gets up and walks
- 27:50Speaker 6: seven miles to a house where he knocks on the
- 27:55Speaker 6: door and people open it and there's this man covered
- 27:58Speaker 6: in blood and who tells them this horrendous story and
- 28:02Speaker 6: they call nine one one.
- 28:05Speaker 1: We just had a gemmy come up to our front door.
- 28:08Speaker 1: He claims that he's been shot. He's got some blood
- 28:11Speaker 1: on him. What's your name, sir, Scott Davis.
- 28:16Speaker 10: Scott Davis is rescued, treated for his wounds and questioned
- 28:20Speaker 10: by police.
- 28:21Speaker 11: Well, I was on the please list and it said
- 28:24Speaker 11: that read I was looking for someone's sake here at
- 28:28Speaker 11: six hundred and eighty eight acres a farm land. He
- 28:31Speaker 11: went back and forth for a month, you know. They
- 28:32Speaker 11: said they was going to get me three hundred miles
- 28:34Speaker 11: a week and a place to live. We got probably
- 28:36Speaker 11: about forty fifty feet and her click, oh crowd. I
- 28:43Speaker 11: smart around and he had the gun in the back
- 28:44Speaker 11: of my head. That's a pretty nuts that is done, Jam.
- 28:47Speaker 11: When it was done, Jam, I thought it right up
- 28:48Speaker 11: to the wood for everything I would work. He shout
- 28:50Speaker 11: at me again.
- 28:50Speaker 8: That's why he got me in the arms. Okay, you
- 28:52Speaker 8: said there was two guys.
- 28:53Speaker 11: One of them was Jack.
- 28:54Speaker 4: You say he had short hair blee Jean Tennis and
- 28:59Speaker 4: the other guys him.
- 29:01Speaker 8: I don't have glad to get to think. Another guy
- 29:02Speaker 8: had blonde hair. Probably seventeen years old. Uh, six', five all,
- 29:10Speaker 8: right but he went By. Jack that's what the thing.
- 29:12Speaker 8: Was you tell her to shave the.
- 29:13Speaker 6: Beard at this, Point Richard beasley has become not only
- 29:19Speaker 6: desperate but. Reckless he's realizing that the gig is about
- 29:23Speaker 6: to be.
- 29:24Speaker 10: Up before authorities begin to track Down beasley And, rafferty
- 29:28Speaker 10: they're luring another. Victim this time they Picked Timothy, kern
- 29:35Speaker 10: an unemployed father of a teenage son From masilla In.
- 29:38Speaker 10: Ohio timothy's son drives him to an interview With beasley
- 29:42Speaker 10: And rafferty at a waffle. HOUSE a few days, Later
- 29:46Speaker 10: beasley confirms tim has got the, job so he heads.
- 29:49Speaker 8: Back they lure Mister kern through the same.
- 29:53Speaker 2: Thing they sit, down they have a, meal and they're
- 29:55Speaker 2: going to go take him to this advertised wooded. Area
- 29:57Speaker 2: they have to go to a different place after what
- 29:59Speaker 2: happened to Mister, day but they find another wooded area
- 30:01Speaker 2: to do this. In they start taking him to this
- 30:03Speaker 2: wooded area and they shoot him four. Times Mister kerran
- 30:10Speaker 2: didn't die at the first shot of the, head and
- 30:12Speaker 2: he kept, breathing and it was a cold, blooded calculated.
- 30:15Speaker 8: Murder four time.
- 30:17Speaker 6: Shot he literally has five dollars in his. Pocket to, me,
- 30:23Speaker 6: again it's an indication that while money may have been
- 30:28Speaker 6: part of that entire, scheme it wasn't. EVERYTHING i Think
- 30:33Speaker 6: richard was angry as a. PERSON i think he was.
- 30:37Speaker 6: DESPERATE i think he saw what was going to, happen
- 30:40Speaker 6: AND i think he was just he didn't. CARE i
- 30:42Speaker 6: don't think he cared at all about his, victim and
- 30:45Speaker 6: maybe he never, did but he chose at that moment
- 30:49Speaker 6: to go ahead and kill.
- 30:50Speaker 3: Him this is the question that occurs a rite about this,
- 30:53Speaker 3: time is after you've committed two three of these heinous,
- 30:56Speaker 3: acts is it something that you're doing to fulfill a
- 30:59Speaker 3: need or is it something that you've gotten very good.
- 31:02Speaker 3: At whatever is the answer, there we still have to deal.
- 31:05Speaker 3: With there are people who will do these heinous, crimes
- 31:08Speaker 3: and it takes outstanding police, work and they also the
- 31:11Speaker 3: general public being out there willing to be the persons
- 31:16Speaker 3: to report activities that may be suspicious or in.
- 31:20Speaker 10: Question the sister Of David Pauley beasley's second victim is
- 31:25Speaker 10: one such.
- 31:26Speaker 2: Person MISTER pauli actually had a sister who lived up In,
- 31:30Speaker 2: maine and he told his sister what he was. Doing
- 31:32Speaker 2: he told her that he had found out an ad On.
- 31:34Speaker 2: Craigslist he found a job In ohio and that's where
- 31:36Speaker 2: he was going to. Go so fortunately in this, case
- 31:38Speaker 2: his sister is aware and can contact authorities and alert
- 31:42Speaker 2: people that his brother's gone.
- 31:43Speaker 1: Missing my twin, brother who's fifty one years, Old, okay
- 31:48Speaker 1: found a job On craigslist as a farm caretaker Near.
- 31:52Speaker 1: Cambridge he arrived In, Parkersburg West virgina on the twenty
- 31:57Speaker 1: second Of. October i've been looking through articles and everything
- 32:02Speaker 1: and saw the one about the man that was bored
- 32:04Speaker 1: and had been. Shot, yeah and THEN i was, like
- 32:07Speaker 1: this is just two posts to to what my brother
- 32:12Speaker 1: was going there.
- 32:12Speaker 4: For, really but he found the job On craigslist, Too.
- 32:17Speaker 1: Yes you.
- 32:17Speaker 10: Did at the same, time as police start investigating the
- 32:22Speaker 10: disappearance Of David, paully authorities are getting closer To beasley
- 32:26Speaker 10: thanks to details From Scott.
- 32:28Speaker 2: Davis now we have Mister davis also saying that he
- 32:31Speaker 2: responded to A craigslist, ad and once you kind of
- 32:34Speaker 2: compare that with what Mister paully's sister is telling, authorities
- 32:38Speaker 2: that's when the pieces start to fall in. Place so
- 32:42Speaker 2: once they have That CRAIGSLIST ad that's been. Up they're
- 32:45Speaker 2: starting to be able to investigate where THAT ad came,
- 32:47Speaker 2: from WHAT ip addressed WAS i? Used and it's finding
- 32:52Speaker 2: out that the computer AND ip address was In, Akron,
- 32:55Speaker 2: ohio in the basement of a gentleman's home where Mister
- 32:58Speaker 2: beasley was running a.
- 32:59Speaker 8: Room so now we are on to Mister beasley as
- 33:02Speaker 8: a suspect in this.
- 33:02Speaker 10: Case investigators visit the restaurant Where beasley Met Scott.
- 33:09Speaker 2: Davis we're able to look at the video at the
- 33:13Speaker 2: restaurant where they had and that's where we get the
- 33:15Speaker 2: picture Of Brogan rafferty And Richard beasley coming to meet Mister.
- 33:20Speaker 2: Davis that's the video that ultimately leads a case to break.
- 33:22Speaker 12: Up we had the surveillance photographs and shows and we'll
- 33:36Speaker 12: show and your picture's, there and we know who you met.
- 33:40Speaker 12: Name his name Is Scott, davis and he met you guys.
- 33:45Speaker 9: Were brakerst at The.
- 33:46Speaker 12: Shawnees do you remember?
- 33:47Speaker 1: THAT i don't.
- 33:48Speaker 8: KNOW i don't think he was.
- 33:50Speaker 6: There, Yes and Initially Brogan rafferty, SAYS i don't know
- 33:54Speaker 6: what you're talking. ABOUT i have anything to do with.
- 33:57Speaker 9: Us what did you?
- 33:58Speaker 7: Do after they had a bit of an, altercation AND
- 34:02Speaker 7: i didn't just didn't feel, comfortable SO i just left the.
- 34:06Speaker 6: Situation but he's sixteen years, old and so he confesses
- 34:13Speaker 6: fell us about The geiger into.
- 34:14Speaker 5: IT i was.
- 34:17Speaker 7: To go Help beasley murder this man had the body for, him, Okay.
- 34:25Speaker 2: And in talking to, him they're able to get a
- 34:26Speaker 2: lot more, details not only in the, murders but where
- 34:29Speaker 2: all the bodies are.
- 34:30Speaker 7: Buried and WHEN i turned, around Mister gager was in
- 34:33Speaker 7: front of Mister, beasley and Mister beasley pulled a pistol
- 34:38Speaker 7: out and with both hands he pointed at the back
- 34:41Speaker 7: of Mister geiger's. Head AND i saw that AND i
- 34:45Speaker 7: closed my eyes and THEN i heard a gun shut
- 34:49Speaker 7: AND i opened. Them Mister, gager who was sitting in
- 34:51Speaker 7: the creep, bed.
- 34:54Speaker 8: Did he seemed to be? Dead, yes he was.
- 34:56Speaker 2: Dead we get a full account of everything that happened
- 35:00Speaker 2: and where everybody was.
- 35:00Speaker 10: Buried police also find what they call a killing kit
- 35:05Speaker 10: At rafferty's. Home they now hope to Find beesley before
- 35:08Speaker 10: he can kill. Again sixteen year Old Broken rafferty has
- 35:21Speaker 10: confessed to taking part in the murder Of Ralph, geiger
- 35:25Speaker 10: but police are yet to find suspected serial Killer Richard
- 35:28Speaker 10: beasley or establish any alias he's.
- 35:31Speaker 9: USING i was working at fast food and this guy
- 35:34Speaker 9: comes up to the counter And i'm thinking he's going
- 35:36Speaker 9: to order food per, usual normal, day and he flashes
- 35:40Speaker 9: his badge says he's with THE fbi and wants to
- 35:42Speaker 9: talk to me about my. Dad, definitely red flag's going
- 35:44Speaker 9: off in my. Brain but at the same, TIME i
- 35:46Speaker 9: knew he would get caught, eventually BUT i thought it
- 35:49Speaker 9: was weird that it was by THE fbi and, not you,
- 35:51Speaker 9: Know acron police. Department so he pulled me. Aside we started.
- 35:56Speaker 9: Talking he asked me if my dad had land, anywhere
- 36:00Speaker 9: if there's anywhere he could be hiding. Out so Then i'm, like,
- 36:03Speaker 9: oh they didn't catch. Him that's. WEIRD i guess they're
- 36:06Speaker 9: still trying to find. Him why are they talking to.
- 36:08Speaker 9: ME i haven't talked to him in. FOREVER i did
- 36:11Speaker 9: know there were a couple places he had talked about
- 36:13Speaker 9: about his friend having, land and then he had me
- 36:16Speaker 9: identify pictures of, him but Also, brogan which was. Weird i'm,
- 36:21Speaker 9: like where Does brogan come into play of all of?
- 36:24Speaker 9: This SO i identified the pictures and then he got
- 36:27Speaker 9: a call and was discussing with someone that they found another,
- 36:31Speaker 9: body And i'm, like this probably pertains to my. Dad
- 36:36Speaker 9: so he came back AND i asked. HIM i was,
- 36:39Speaker 9: like was that call about my? DAD i know you
- 36:41Speaker 9: aren't supposed to give, details but, like what's going? On
- 36:44Speaker 9: BECAUSE i heard? It NOW i, Know and that's when
- 36:47Speaker 9: he confirmed that they were looking for bodies of people
- 36:51Speaker 9: my dad had. Killed in that, MOMENT i kind of
- 37:01Speaker 9: froze AND i didn't feel. Anything my heart dropped AND
- 37:04Speaker 9: i felt this this whole but at the, TIME i
- 37:08Speaker 9: don't think my teenage mind could really process. It it
- 37:13Speaker 9: was almost like my whole dream and idea of him
- 37:15Speaker 9: came crashing down at, once AND i was feeling so
- 37:19Speaker 9: many EMOTIONS i couldn't even decipher. Them, basically this this
- 37:24Speaker 9: black hole of despair sucked in all my emotions and
- 37:28Speaker 9: it was like time froze and IT i just it was.
- 37:33Speaker 9: Broken it wasn't just open ended the friend like he killed.
- 37:50Speaker 9: People this was it like this he's, done you, Know
- 37:53Speaker 9: it's it's something, major and it hit me really.
- 37:58Speaker 5: HARD i was just totally taken aback anything they could
- 38:03Speaker 5: have told me rich.
- 38:04Speaker 4: DONE i would never have thought That.
- 38:09Speaker 10: Richard beasley is charged on multiple counts of aggravated, murder attempted, murder,
- 38:15Speaker 10: kidnapping an aggravated.
- 38:16Speaker 5: Robbery it's, rough it is KNOWING i married a man
- 38:22Speaker 5: that became THAT i never would have thought that a
- 38:27Speaker 5: RICH i still can't believe when they call him a
- 38:30Speaker 5: serial killer THAT i have so many good memories and
- 38:35Speaker 5: my daughter has so many good, memories and he can
- 38:39Speaker 5: throw it all.
- 38:39Speaker 2: Away when we looked Into brogen at the, time because
- 38:49Speaker 2: we're trying to find out how does this sixteen year
- 38:52Speaker 2: old fifteen sixteen year old kid.
- 38:54Speaker 8: Get involved with?
- 38:54Speaker 2: This you, know Our bureau Of Criminal investigation investigators looked
- 38:59Speaker 2: into his computer, history and what we find is someone
- 39:02Speaker 2: who is obsessed with mafia. Lifestyle he's obsessed with, crime
- 39:05Speaker 2: and you can see someone who's clearly trying to emulate that.
- 39:09Speaker 2: Lifestyle be, heavy be a tough. Guy and so we
- 39:12Speaker 2: find that these two people meet and they wind up
- 39:15Speaker 2: being a perfect match to carry out these, awful awful.
- 39:17Speaker 6: CRIMES i don't think That richard knew when he first
- 39:21Speaker 6: Met Broken rafferty that he was going to use him
- 39:25Speaker 6: to commit murders down the. Road rich was involved in
- 39:28Speaker 6: Taking broken to church on many many, occasions and he
- 39:32Speaker 6: became like a substitute. FATHER i also would imagine that
- 39:36Speaker 6: part of that grooming process was exposing him a little
- 39:41Speaker 6: lot of time to criminal, activity so that broken becomes
- 39:45Speaker 6: desensitized to. That AND i think it's very easy to
- 39:49Speaker 6: underestimate the power an adult can have over a child
- 39:55Speaker 6: when you look at his age and you look at
- 39:59Speaker 6: his life. Circumstances he was somebody who was absolutely right
- 40:04Speaker 6: for the picking in terms Of Richard.
- 40:06Speaker 10: Beasley brogan agrees to lead police to the burial sites
- 40:11Speaker 10: Of Ralph, Geiger David, pauley And Timothy.
- 40:14Speaker 2: Kern we found the first two victims In Noble county In, Caldwell.
- 40:18Speaker 2: Ohio that was the field and wooded area where Mister
- 40:21Speaker 2: besley Mister raffrey were taking their victims to. Start so
- 40:24Speaker 2: we found the first two victims there in shallow. Graves
- 40:27Speaker 2: but because Mister davis got away and they had to
- 40:29Speaker 2: switch up their method and went to a new. Place
- 40:31Speaker 2: here we found Mister kerr Near Rolling Acres. Mall Mister
- 40:37Speaker 2: davis getting away is probably the only reason we broke this.
- 40:40Speaker 2: Case if Mister davis doesn't get, away we don't know
- 40:43Speaker 2: how many more. Victims Mister besley and Mister rafferty would
- 40:46Speaker 2: have killed.
- 40:46Speaker 10: It Broken rafferty is offered a deal that will allow
- 40:51Speaker 10: him parole after a significant jail, term but he refuses
- 40:55Speaker 10: to turn On beasley and is sentenced to life without
- 40:58Speaker 10: the possibility of Par.
- 41:01Speaker 3: This relationship was so strong That brogan sacrifices his freedom
- 41:07Speaker 3: for the sake Of.
- 41:08Speaker 7: Beasley over the, years he had build up more and
- 41:11Speaker 7: more trust for, me and you, know vice. Versa we
- 41:16Speaker 7: had a little bit of an understanding that since he
- 41:18Speaker 7: was a friend of my father's and we just had
- 41:21Speaker 7: known each other for a, while that we had you,
- 41:24Speaker 7: KNOW i would do anything for, you you would do
- 41:26Speaker 7: anything for me kind of, thing because that's just what we,
- 41:29Speaker 7: thought that we were that good of.
- 41:30Speaker 6: FRIENDS i do think That Richard beasley and maybe to
- 41:35Speaker 6: a lesser, Extent Broken, rafferty got a thrill out of
- 41:40Speaker 6: these fantasies of their schemes that they're putting, on and
- 41:43Speaker 6: how they were these kind of master criminals and they're
- 41:47Speaker 6: this elaborate plot and you, know they're the ones who
- 41:51Speaker 6: are deciding who lives and. Dies and so when you
- 41:55Speaker 6: look at, THAT i think it isn't that surprising that
- 41:59Speaker 6: he would be interested in the. Mafia who does kind
- 42:02Speaker 6: of pick and. Choose he's going to live and. Die
- 42:04Speaker 6: SO i think this kind of anti hero thing he's
- 42:07Speaker 6: got built up in his head is really consistent with
- 42:10Speaker 6: all the time he takes concocting this scheme and carrying it.
- 42:15Speaker 10: Out In march twenty, Thirteen Richard beasley is sentenced to.
- 42:21Speaker 10: Death to this, day he maintains his. Innocence In rich's,
- 42:26Speaker 10: eyes he'd done nothing. Wrong he feels no. Remorse he's
- 42:30Speaker 10: a typical.
- 42:31Speaker 5: Sociopath he has never taken responsibility for anything in his.
- 42:37Speaker 2: Life there's no Question Richard beasley was looking to take
- 42:40Speaker 2: advantage of. People and there's no question, too given the
- 42:43Speaker 2: viciousness and calculation in these. Crimes he had been plotting
- 42:47Speaker 2: for a while how he was going to take advantage of.
- 42:49Speaker 2: People so it's not a surprise to see that he
- 42:51Speaker 2: had tried several different ways to put himself around people
- 42:56Speaker 2: who were vulnerable and could be taken advantage of by his.
- 42:59Speaker 9: Manipulation it's that victim. Mentality he blames it on everyone.
- 43:05Speaker 9: Else he constantly writes notes to the newspapers and, everything
- 43:10Speaker 9: stating that the system is, corrupt and this is what really,
- 43:13Speaker 9: happened And i've tried to confront him about, it even in.
- 43:18Speaker 9: Person but THEN i got to the point WHERE i
- 43:24Speaker 9: was able to separate myself from, it but not as
- 43:27Speaker 9: a trauma, response but because FINALLY i had all this
- 43:33Speaker 9: time period had finally healed AND i was able to move.
- 43:36Speaker 9: Forward and the first TIME i went public with my
- 43:39Speaker 9: story was when that, happened BECAUSE i Realized i'm my
- 43:42Speaker 9: own person who can tell this. Story this happened to,
- 43:46Speaker 9: me BUT i am not This my dad happens to
- 43:50Speaker 9: be a serial, killer and despite whether he says he's
- 43:54Speaker 9: innocent or he does, this it just doesn't affect me.
- 43:58Speaker 9: Anymore ch