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City Connect jersey ratings + David Peterson’s pitch usage gripe · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: That's what he said.
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  Speaker 2: That's what he said, that's what he said.
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  Speaker 3: We got a good old fashioned duel.
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  Speaker 4: In the postgame, quotes David Peterson struggling for some starts
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  Speaker 4: for the Metropolitans, and I'll read you what Carlos Mendoza,
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  Speaker 4: Mets manager, said, from his perspective, he thinks the problem
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  Speaker 4: Wednesday was an inability to execute his sinker inside to
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  Speaker 4: Wrighty hitters. And Mendy said, quote, if he's healthy, which
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  Speaker 4: he is, there's no concern. He's too good of a picture.
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  Speaker 4: Here's where things get interesting. Peterson said, quote, we relied
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  Speaker 4: on the sinker and the change up too much and
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  Speaker 4: allowed hitters to kind of hold on this quotes a
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  Speaker 4: little bit off here allowed hitters. I think that's a
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  Speaker 4: different quote. Now I'm getting all mixed up. Anyway, let
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  Speaker 4: me get back to this. In my eyes, it's more
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  Speaker 4: of usage than it is execution from him, and he
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  Speaker 4: had said he felt like they were allowing hitters to
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  Speaker 4: just kind of sit over the plate. With part of
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  Speaker 4: the issue here, so we can bring up the other part. Now,
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  Speaker 4: let's bring that up too, and then I'll get mister
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  Speaker 4: Catcher's thoughts on how to mediate something like this between pictures. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: we need mediation, John Harper said, or put in here
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  Speaker 4: interesting to hear Peterson disagree with Mendoz's assessment that he
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  Speaker 4: hasn't gotten insight on righty hitters.
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  Speaker 1: Quote.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think we've gone there enough. I think we've
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  Speaker 4: relied on synchron change a usage too much.
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  Speaker 1: There.
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  Speaker 4: It is a lot of hitters sit over the plate.
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  Speaker 4: In my eyes, it's more about the usage than execution.
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  Speaker 4: So Kratz, how do you handle this? I mean, who's
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  Speaker 4: right and wrong? Because you're on the outside looking in
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  Speaker 4: who's right and wrong? And then what do you do?
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  Speaker 2: Well, ultimately there's one person that's right and wrong. It
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  Speaker 2: is the picture. Because in nowhere are they going to
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  Speaker 2: look up David Peterson on Baseball Reference and go, oh,
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  Speaker 2: here was his era, But here was the ra on
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  Speaker 2: pitches that the that the dugout called in, Or here's
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  Speaker 2: the ra on pitches that Francisco Alvarez shook him off
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  Speaker 2: to throw. No, it's ultimately up to David Peterson. It's
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  Speaker 2: ultimately up to the pitcher, and if he has a
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  Speaker 2: gripe with the usage, he's got to do the oldest
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  Speaker 2: sign in Major League baseball history. But I think in
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  Speaker 2: the game, when that decision has to be made, it's
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  Speaker 2: too late. I'm not saying it's Francisco Alvarez's fault. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying it's whatever coach is sending in the signs fault.
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  Speaker 2: It is always will go on the shoulder of the pitcher.
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  Speaker 2: Anytime a pitcher gives up a hit through the shift,
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  Speaker 2: they turn around and go, oh, my goodness, are you
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  Speaker 2: kidding me? You knew where the shift was, You knew
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  Speaker 2: where you have success throwing a pitch. If you do
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  Speaker 2: not like where you're catcher setting up because he's always
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  Speaker 2: calling sinkers and change ups away, you need to bust
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  Speaker 2: some dudes in. And I couldn't agree more that David
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  Speaker 2: Peterson needs to throw the ball in more. And David
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  Speaker 2: Peterson agrees with that. Carlos Mendoza agrees with that. So
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  Speaker 2: somebody needs to throw the pitch and the only person
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  Speaker 2: that can do it is David Peterson. So you can
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  Speaker 2: disagree all you want. That needs to be worked out
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  Speaker 2: before the start, in the start, during the start, and
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  Speaker 2: when the pitch is thrown. That's whose fault it is.
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  Speaker 5: Communication. Communication is all that needs to be talked about.
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  Speaker 5: You can decide what you throw. It's not like the Marlins,
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  Speaker 5: where they decide, you know, exactly what pitch each pitcher
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  Speaker 5: is gonna do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I think when you hear a quote like that, you're like,
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  Speaker 5: oh man, because you want them kind of to be
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  Speaker 5: on the same page. You know, you wish you had
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  Speaker 5: a conversation before the quotes went out there. So, and
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  Speaker 5: I know how the Mets media work. Hey, hey, mister Peterson,
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  Speaker 5: we just heard from your manager.
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  Speaker 1: He said this was the problem.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know what, Actually he's wrong. I thought this
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  Speaker 5: was the problem. This is how they do. They manipulate.
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  Speaker 5: They do all this time stuff or you know, vice versa.
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  Speaker 5: But when a player is not doing well and he's
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  Speaker 5: frustrated and they come back, hey, well your manager just
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  Speaker 5: explain this about the whole situation. He's like, well, I
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  Speaker 5: actually thought it was this and now here. This is
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  Speaker 5: how it starts. And I can't stand why they do that.
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  Speaker 5: Why these reporters do this all the time. They want
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  Speaker 5: to get the juice out there. I just think, and
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  Speaker 5: it's the Mets too, and they find ways to do it.
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  Speaker 5: So I love Drew. I think he's fantastic. I think
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  Speaker 5: he's going to be fine. I don't think we should
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  Speaker 5: blow this up any bigger than what it is. They
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  Speaker 5: need to get on the same page, and I think
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  Speaker 5: they will and get the media out of here.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: See, I think Todd is he has always butted heads
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  Speaker 2: with the New York media.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, no, no, no, I never did.
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  Speaker 2: Just to okay, But the reason that Mets fans like
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  Speaker 2: Todd is because he's honest. That is what fans are
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  Speaker 2: looking for. That's what the New York media kind of
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  Speaker 2: prays on. They're like, Oh, he's an honest guy. We
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  Speaker 2: want to hear what he has to say. And they're
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  Speaker 2: just getting the story out there. They're getting the story
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  Speaker 2: out you know, is there is there underlying things with
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  Speaker 2: David Peterson saying oh, it's it's the usage there might
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  Speaker 2: be like, but the reality is when you're on a team,
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  Speaker 2: I don't care if it's in New York, if it's
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  Speaker 2: in Milwaukee, if it's in Pittsburgh where there's two beat writers, like,
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  Speaker 2: it is all about you executing, and when you don't execute,
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  Speaker 2: it's on you. He has a six to one four era.
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  Speaker 2: After the season started so well for David Peterson, he
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  Speaker 2: was like the one bright spot in that rotation. He
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  Speaker 2: was giving them some length he was getting. Then it
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  Speaker 2: just it went downhill. What is the what happened? I
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  Speaker 2: choose to believe as a player, you don't just get
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  Speaker 2: worse in that short amount of time. You know, he
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  Speaker 2: didn't all of a sudden become like thirty five years old.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't all of a sudden drop two miles per
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  Speaker 2: hour on his velocity. It's not going well if you
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  Speaker 2: don't like what pitches are being called. You know what,
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  Speaker 2: everybody can have a little deep deep doot deep doot
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  Speaker 2: on their sleeve or on their glove, and then you
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  Speaker 2: take ownership for what you're doing. And to me, I
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  Speaker 2: love the way David Peterson pitches, and I think he
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  Speaker 2: can be a guy who, while he's not going to
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  Speaker 2: surpass Freddy Peralta as the number one guy on this rotation,
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  Speaker 2: I think he's a guy that still has his rotation
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  Speaker 2: spot and he sees a guy like Sean and I
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  Speaker 2: are making a ton of money struggling in the bullpen
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  Speaker 2: trying to make that adjustment. There's a lot of guys
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  Speaker 2: on this rotation, including him, that need to take ownership
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  Speaker 2: of the fact that if this team's going to be
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  Speaker 2: a playoff contending team, he needs to be one of
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  Speaker 2: those guys up there because they have what I would
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  Speaker 4: about how it appears the calls are coming from Francisco
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  Speaker 4: Alverrez right now. No, Kratz, you don't believe it. Here's
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  Speaker 4: John Harper, who reports for US, and why he said,
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  Speaker 4: in regards to pitch calling, no indication signs are coming
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  Speaker 4: from the dugout. Alvarez sometimes checks his wristband, which has
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  Speaker 4: info on it. Yeah, I mean that's normal before calling
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  Speaker 4: a pitch, But haven't noticed him looking to the dugout
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  Speaker 4: between pitches. Also, if Peterson hasn't liked the usage, he
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  Speaker 4: can always shake off Kratz. I know you spent an
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  Speaker 4: episode I wasn't on talking about the Mets potentially adopting this.
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  Speaker 4: I have not paid any attention to this. We know
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  Speaker 4: the Marlins are doing this your thoughts here.
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  Speaker 2: Without seeing a game live, and I'm not talking about
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  Speaker 2: it on TV without seeing it live. When you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's a time that you're looking at different things. You know,
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  Speaker 2: fans go to a game and they look at ball,
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  Speaker 2: hit run, video board, phone, ball hit run. I'm looking
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  Speaker 2: at what's the interaction with the dugout, who's calling the
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  Speaker 2: running game, how do the outfielder shift, infielder shift based
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  Speaker 2: on account? All those things. So without seeing a live game,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how much Francisco Alvarez is getting advice
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  Speaker 2: from the dugout. But anytime you got the wristband, that's
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  Speaker 2: advice from the dugout. That's all. That's all the dugouts
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  Speaker 2: are doing is they have the wristband and it's on
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  Speaker 2: a sheet of paper like this, big like and they're like, hmm, okay,
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  Speaker 2: to two count, a good pitch right here would be
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  Speaker 2: a fastball. In all Francisco Alvarez is looking at if
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  Speaker 2: he looks at the wristband, it's just reiterating the things
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  Speaker 2: that you should already remember. And I have no problem
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  Speaker 2: with people using the wristband. If you have to lean
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  Speaker 2: on it as a crutch. No, you should be more
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  Speaker 2: prepared if you have to lean on it and you say,
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  Speaker 2: I wonder what this guy bang. You go to it
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  Speaker 2: in your pocket, you know, on your wristband, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's good to have that extra backup. And I think
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  Speaker 2: if there's any pitch calling from the dugout, which I
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  Speaker 2: can't say there is or isn't, it's totally fine because
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  Speaker 2: it's not a edict. This is what you have to throw,
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  Speaker 2: And ultimately David Peterson could be like, no middle finger, dugout,
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  Speaker 2: I'm throwing whatever i want. No Francisco Alvarez, I'm throwing
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  Speaker 2: whatever I want.
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  Speaker 4: Boom and back to the the Q and a part
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  Speaker 4: of it for a moment, Todd Father. I mean, we
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  Speaker 4: like to bring up topics that are interesting. So I
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  Speaker 4: think there are some cases where some media members might
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  Speaker 4: get under someone's skin because they keep asking the same
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  Speaker 4: question over and over again. But in this case, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know. I feel like they were just asking like
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  Speaker 4: the basic like hey where are you at? And Mendy's
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  Speaker 4: like this is what I'm seeing, in Peterson's like this
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  Speaker 4: is what I'm seeing. I actually think these stories are
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  Speaker 4: the good stuff because this is actually real game strategy.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just saying from my fan perspective, I actually want
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  Speaker 4: to hear this stuff, like I want access to this.
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  Speaker 4: I think this is journalism at its finest. When we're
• 11:28
  Speaker 4: trying to pick a fight between Francisco Lindor and Wansta
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  Speaker 4: that might not exist. I think that's where it's like,
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  Speaker 4: are we pushing it here? Are we just going off rumors?
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  Speaker 4: And hey, I'm not saying anything's true or not true,
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  Speaker 4: but when I'm talking about like game execution and pitcher
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  Speaker 4: is not on the same page as coaching staff, like,
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  Speaker 4: that's good.
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  Speaker 3: Shit to me.
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  Speaker 4: I'm into that. I want to know, like, what's going
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  Speaker 4: on here? How is this going to get figured out?
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  Speaker 4: How does this apply to you know, another person's favorite team,
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  Speaker 4: or even to your little league team that you know,
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  Speaker 4: any of the teams that you're coaching too, Like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: if the picture's pissed, how do we figure this out?
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  Speaker 4: That's why I mean my first question for Kratz was like,
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  Speaker 4: how do you mediate this? Because I think that's part
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  Speaker 4: of it too.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think now it's not a big problem,
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  Speaker 5: but now here's the start maybe of a trickle effect.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying they don't have to do their job.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just saying I know, I understand how they work
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  Speaker 5: if they get some juice from somebody and then they asked, hey,
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  Speaker 5: listen instead of saying how do you feel? I'm not
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  Speaker 5: one hundred percent certain, but I'm almost say hey, your
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  Speaker 5: manager said this and that. What do you What do
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  Speaker 5: you feel about that? You know what I mean? So
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  Speaker 5: I get it. I get it. I'm not as a player.
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  Speaker 5: I don't like it. As a fan. I'm sure they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: here we go the Mets all over again. But or
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  Speaker 5: they're like, oh, like you said, this is great, let's
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  Speaker 5: work on this. So hopefully they talk. But now they're
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  Speaker 5: probably gonna have to have a conversation and about you know,
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  Speaker 5: where you're at. You know, I heard it, has heard that,
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  Speaker 5: and hopefully it'll get on the same page.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we know all this is something didn't go
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  Speaker 2: well for David Peterson, But I try to read between
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  Speaker 2: the lines about like the pitch calling usage. One thing
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  Speaker 2: needs to be remembered. Like he pitched, and so did
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  Speaker 2: everybody else on this staff besides Freddie pet He pitched
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  Speaker 2: under Jeremy Hefner. Jeremy Hefner was a pitching coach. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying he doesn't like the pitching coach. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: saying this is the beginning of the season. Yes, spring
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  Speaker 2: training you learn things, but now in nut cutting time,
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  Speaker 2: you gotta go out and perform. And he's got a
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  Speaker 2: new pitching coach that he's learning to work with, a
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  Speaker 2: new pitching coach that is working with him. I was
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  Speaker 2: surprised that Jeremy Heffner got ousted last year, but hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, somebody's got to take the blame for
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  Speaker 2: the fact that the Mets didn't go out and sign
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  Speaker 2: any marquis free agent pitchers last year.
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  Speaker 1: So Hefner was the guy.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, maybe him and David Peterson had a
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  Speaker 2: good connection, and you know, the pitching coach and him
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  Speaker 2: are not quite connecting yet. It's it's a there's so
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  Speaker 2: many dynamics that we don't know, and we're just we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about hypothetical situations. But there's clearly not success right now.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm assuming David Peterson wants success.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: There's frustration too, and you can feel that and you
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  Speaker 4: want to hear that. I mean, I think about the
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  Speaker 4: Shane McClanahan quote from a couple of days ago where
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  Speaker 4: he was super pissed about his performance, that that fired
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  Speaker 4: me up. That's a guy who used to be towards
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  Speaker 4: the top of the sport and he might get there again.
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  Speaker 4: And he's barely into his first full season again and
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  Speaker 4: he's already saying, Hey, I want to be much much
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  Speaker 4: better than where I'm at. And that's cool. You want
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  Speaker 4: to feel that. It's the same as when a pitcher struggling.
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  Speaker 4: And I always use the Lanceolin example. And then he
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  Speaker 4: comes on our show a few years ago and he's like, yep,
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  Speaker 4: I suck right now and it is terrible, and I
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  Speaker 4: am just as pissed, if not more than anyone else
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  Speaker 4: on the planet. So I am going to try and
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  Speaker 4: fix that. So respect but good topic, good segment. Leave
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  Speaker 2: Three hundred and forty eight million dollars purchase of a uniform? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Good.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: I was just gonna make sure that a grown man
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: wasn't gonna wear another man's grown man jersey unless it's
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Todd fraz Yeah.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: No, listen, I own one jersey, and there's a reason
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: that I bought it because it was a weird one.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: I own a d Strange Gordon Reds jersey. And the
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: reason is because, first of all, De Strange Gordon never
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: played a regular season game for the Reds and I
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: got it for like eighty bucks or whatever, and it
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: just if you're not a baseball fan and you see
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: someone walking around and it just says Strange Gordon on
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: the back, that's a cool nickname. So that's the one
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: jersey that I own. So no, no, I'm not a
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: jersey purchaser. You know, if I see one in a
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: thrift shop in a few years, I might get it
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: for playing sandlot pickup games or whatever. But it's a
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: great jersey. I thought they did a great job. I
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: also really liked the Royals gradient, just because it's weird.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: It's not what you would expect from a baseball jersey.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: I think they overdid it with the hat. That hat
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: kind of looks like a twelve and under travel team
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: hat where they're like, you know, the preteens are super
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: into it, but an adult and wear it. But yeah,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I'm also too old to be yucking
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: someone else's. Yeah, if you're gonna buy the hat, that's cool.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: I support your.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to I'm not gonna buy the Reds,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: but I really like the.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Jersey I want.
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: I want to talk about there's some jerseys every year
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: where the jersey color and the pant color are the same.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: So I'm gonna go to the Cincinnati Reds. My biggest
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: gripe with them, and I love the Reds. Is that
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: see that they put on there all the time. I
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: got to know the significance of why it's always that
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: kind of sea that they use. But what do you
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: think about both color uniforms.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I like it. I think I like the red on red.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I think that's pretty sweet.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I think I like the red on red as long
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: as it's sort of those once in a while things.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, they are these Cincinnati Reds plural red. They
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: use I think five different reds on this uniform, so
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: that's cool. I heard somewhere. This is not on the website,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: so this is not canon, but I have heard somewhere
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: that the five stripes that they use on the sea
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: and I guess there's five stripes coming down from the
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: the statue with the water coming down. They use five
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: stripes for that are supposed to represent the five like
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: championships that the Reds have won. I've done. This is
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: This is me doing like Newsmax level worth of research.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: This could be completely not true, but I heard there's somewhere,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: So if that's true, that's kind of cool. Unless they
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: win the World Series this year, in which case are
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: they're gonna go back and add a stripe next year?
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Here's something that I think is consistent
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: with all of these uniforms and all the City connect
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: uniforms across the board is that every one of them
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: has a cool story. If you go to the team
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: website and it's you know, they explain, here's where this
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: came from, and the Brewers go, this is the Wisconsin sunset,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: which is like a you know, a big part of
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: the culture, or the Orioles new hat and they go,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: this was from an an eighteen eighties team, and when
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Camden Yards was built, this was the logo that was
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: on the side of the of the bleacher seats. Oh
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: that's cool. I didn't know that. When you read the story,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: they're all very cool. What I think some of the
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: teams forget to do is also stick the landing with
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: If you don't know that story, you should still look
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: at the uniform and think nice, nice, that's a cool
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: looking uniform. And so that for me is where the
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: hit miss differential comes With the City Connects. They all
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: have a cool story, the amount of thought put into this.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: They let the creatives really go wild on this, but
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: I think that sometimes they just get a little too
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: miss the forest for the trees and forget that it's
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: supposed to be a good uniform too.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I completely agree with you, but these are City Connects
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: and they're not national connects or country connects. Is there
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: a city connect It could be these new ones. Oh
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: actually yeah, I picked from these new ones that will
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: connect with more than just the Rangers fans or more
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: than just the Reds fans in the sense that, yes,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: this is a regional sport watched in a regional networks
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: watched well some of them. Obviously we're struggling with that too.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: But is there a jersey of these new ones that
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: you would say, Wow, I could see like other people
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: wanting it, because I know when when the Padres came
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: out with their other ones, the Neon and everything other
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: you talk about travel teams, other travel teams were like, oh,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: we want to we want to mimic that that like
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: craziness that the Padres put out. Is there one of
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: these that connects more nationally or is it just right
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: on this on the line of city connect for that
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: for that particular city.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're not You're not wrong about the Padres ones.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I play on a Sandlot team and literally last week
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: we got a text like, Hey, should we do something
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: kind of like those Padres uniforms? So you're exactly right
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: on there. I I think the Pirates Ones just because
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: they're cool. Uh, We've at the Padres Dia delas Martos
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: up on the screen. I think that's neat. It does
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: look a little video gamage to me with the font,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: but it is very San Diego. I think the Pirates
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: ones will will resonate nationwide. I think that anytime you
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: kind of get a little bit of an attitude with it,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: there's gonna be some portion of the of the culture
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: that's that's into that. I think the the Royals, uh,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: you know, they they they went with the bisexual lighting
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: on theirs, and I think that that's good. They're cool.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: It's a cool uniform. I think that it just looks neat,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: and I think that people who are not maybe even
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: necessarily baseball fans will see that and be like, that's
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: a fashionable jersey. I would wear that. So so I
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: think those two, probably more than the others are, are
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: more more than just a city city specific look.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Atlanta Braves.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: They always have like some significant the a the I
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: don't think they can really go wrong if they stick
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: to that old school you know, hang garon kind of look.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Talk a little about that.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: I really like the the powder blue look on them.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: I like their hat with the a kind of cursive look.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: The way they do their lettering I think is pretty neat.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: The only knock I've heard on the Braves, either that
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: first or or second version, is it's supposed to be
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: city connects, not a throwback. And to that I say,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: please shut up. These are amazing, Like every every video
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: they've put out. First of all, their video team kills it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Every video was pretty good this year. I think everybody
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: like stepped up their game a little bit this year.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: The Braves way ahead of the game. And yeah, these
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: uniforms are absolutely a throwback, and that's part of the
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: city connect like what the Braves have meant to the
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: city of Atlanta over the years. Anytime you've got Hank
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Aaron in your history, like the Yankees are like, no,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: we don't, we don't do city connects. That's our uniforms
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: are such a central part to what we do. We're
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: not gonna you know what the Dodgers did a city
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: connect They weren't that good, but they did them. You
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: can lean in to some elements of the past, and
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: I know the Yankees uniforms have been fine for forever
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: you could, you can get created, you can do it.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: And I think the Braves nailed it. Yes, it is
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: a it is a throwback uniform. Also, it rips like
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: those are those are so cool. It's really hard to
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: go wrong with a powder blue as a once in
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: a while uniform. And it just harkens back to those
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: early days when they when they first came to Atlanta.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: I love it. I honestly, I'm a little embarrassed I
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: had not mentioned the Braves before they released. There's a
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: little earlier than everybody else, so they weren't part of
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: today's spate of releases. But yeah, I think they've got
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: some of the best ones. You're gonna see these in
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: music videos.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: That's fair.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: No, that's fair, And I would and I would argue
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: people who say their throwbacks. I get it, their throwbacks.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: But I think the Atlanta Braves connect with their city.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I think I think there's yes, there's a there's a portion,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: especially when they were in the old Stadium, they were
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: in a different part of the city than they're now.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: You know, they're not connecting with fucking hand or wherever
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: they're at now. So that's so I do love that
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: they're connecting with that part. But I have to go
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: to my old team, the Brewers. You typed it, yet,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna make you say it Wisco. I spent out there.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I've never once heard anybody say Wisco. My brother in
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: law lives out in Wisconsin.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: You know the m k E.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: But in your research, I love the Jersey color. I
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: love everything about it. In your research, did you ever
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: find anybody that's ever used the word wisko.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I haven't done a ton of research
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: on this, but I've spent time in Wisconsin. I've got
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: friends that live there. I've never heard them refer to
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: it as that. So maybe that's a new thing. Are
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: they trying to make fetch a thing here by sort
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: of inventing this phrase? I don't know. Listen, we might
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: kretz to you and I might just be stupid. Maybe
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: it Maybe it happens and we just were not aware
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: of it. I am fully open to the idea that, Listen,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: there are going to be parts of the culture in
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: places I don't live that I am just not omniscient,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: and I don't know so sure if that's the case, Like,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: please hit me up on a blue sky or you
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: know whatever. Let me know if that's something that you use.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: But that's not something effort. When it came up in
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: my group chat, that was the first thing everybody ripped
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: on was like, what is this? Have you ever heard
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: this word before?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: No?
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Well none of us lived there, so maybe that's a
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: thing right now. The only thing that I can add,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: and it's probably not the best take, but I do
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: remember what twenty years ago looking at colleges, and I
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: visited Wisconsin, and there were plenty of people there that
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: were like, Oh, how you liking Whisco? So I think
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: they were talking about this. Okay, So that would be
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: my only take there is there were plenty of people
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: when I was there saying, oh, I'm thinking about Whisco, Michigan,
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I you whatever, So that was brought up.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: I'm sure there's going to be some people that watch
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: this clip and are like, oh, how dare you? It's
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: like the I don't know if you've ever experienced this
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: one San Francisco crowd when you say San fran loses
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: their shit? Oh yeah, how dare you? And I haven't
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: said it for years because of that. I think I
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: said it once twenty years ago on TV and I
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: never heard the end of it for a year, and
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: so I don't think it's a big deal. But some
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: people get really offended. We'll see what where Wisko stands.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: One way or another, we're going to hear it right.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: They're either going to say, how dare that's not what
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: we say, that was all wrong, or you guys don't
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: know anything because you're not from there, and that's what
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: we say now.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: And as it was said earlier, these are not National
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: connect uniforms. If it works for people from there, and
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: that's something that is great, that's great. I'm not gonna
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to be using that phrasing, but that's cool.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: And unless unless it has proven to me that that
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: is just a thing, and then I will have to
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: eat my words. And one of those words is going
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: to taste like cheese curds. And it'll be this one.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Real quick before we go.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm curious. Uh, Todd and Eric both you
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: got the backwards baseball caps on what what do you
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: guys rocking today? There we go? Okay, Yankees makes sense?
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, is there any other color? Is there any
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: other color?
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: It's it's the Diamondbacks.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Right, No, No, it's purple Rockies.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Oh Rockies. Okay, well because the yeah, because the Diamondbacks
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: had purple for a while, right, like, yeah.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: They've had every color. Nobody's changed jerseys more than more
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: than an NBA team other than the Diamondbacks, Like the
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Diamondbacks and the Blue Jays. The Blue Jays I played
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: for them for whatever, drafted and then went back and played.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: You know, based on twelve years, they changed all the time.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: They were the Black Jays, they were blue, they were
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: a different Jays.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: They were fighting.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'm glad that a couple of teams have
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: gone back to their to their standard, like the Brewers
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: with the the they've got their best logo of all time.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: The Padres I think are in there, like they went
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: back to the brown and gold. I think that's great.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: And the Blue Jays seem to like have settled into
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: their classic look, which is which is good.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: And to cap it here, the reason LEVI that Kratz
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: is wearing that today is we do have a Rockies
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: guest in t. J. Rumfield, joining us. So that's part
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: of the equation. Usually when we have a player guest,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: we'll get that particular team's cap on this big bald size.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: What are you eight?
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: That's eight?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Are you eight? Five eights?
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Seven and five eights?
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I'm just.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Regular, he's just regular. That's only a quarter size up
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: for me or eight the size up for me. I'm
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: seven and a half. So you're probably Bruce bochy.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: You And probably it's like a half is a dome.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: It's not like it's not like I'm like I'm like
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: baby Ruth or anything like that. Like pretty much me
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: and you, Me and you probably weigh the same. So
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: if we have about the same size head, yeah.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: It's probably so you're one hundred and sixty pounds.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah I have.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I am one hundred and sixty pounds.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: But then there's more after that.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: That's all.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: This was fun, Levi.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Really appreciate it, and there's much more. Check out the
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: newsletter every day, the Athletic wind Up, but also check
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: out his specific review as he goes case by case
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: with more detail on these new city connects.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Levi.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I good catching up man.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: All right, take care, guys,