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Sharri | 17 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: That's my four and you're wanting to Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi punishes farmers and sporting
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Speaker 2: shooters and misses the point that dangerous terrorism is the
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Speaker 2: fundamental problem. Kelly Sloane calls this out to suggest.
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Speaker 3: A gun by bank.
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Speaker 4: He is going to solve big forus.
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Speaker 1: He's going to.
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Speaker 4: Stop another Bondyne.
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Speaker 2: It's absolute bullshit and she'll be on the show in
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Speaker 2: a moment. Plus explosive claims from one of Australia's most
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Speaker 2: respected former Federal Court judges about failures in the Anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism Royal Commission. Ronald Sackville joins me tonight for an
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Speaker 2: exclusive television interview. Let's talk about Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi
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Speaker 2: and Premier Chris Mins announcing their gun buyback scheme on
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Speaker 2: the weekend. Minn said this could cost hundreds of millions
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Speaker 2: of taxpayer dollars and remove up to two hundred and
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Speaker 2: seventy four thousand guns from New South Wales. Now, first up,
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Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong, of course with removing guns from our streets,
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Speaker 2: and fewer guns might slightly reduce the risk of a shooting.
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Speaker 2: America and its lack of gun laws is a case
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Speaker 2: in point, but guns are not the fundamental problem, the
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Speaker 2: deadly The core issue is terrorism and radical Islamic extremism.
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Speaker 2: Terrorists and islomic extremists aren't exactly going to play ball
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Speaker 2: with this scheme and happily hand in their weapons. It's
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Speaker 2: the law abiding citizens who will, and their gun ownership
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Speaker 2: isn't the issue. Farmers and recreational hobby shooters simply aren't
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Speaker 2: the problem. And I take exception with the Albaneze government
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Speaker 2: claiming that this gun buyback scheme is a fix for
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Speaker 2: Bondi or would stop another terror attack from happening again.
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Speaker 2: Here's what Homer Fairs Minister Tony Burke said yesterday.
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Speaker 5: It allows us to deal with both the issue of
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Speaker 5: how many firearms people have, but also being able to
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Speaker 5: deal directly with a sort of firearms people have. Australians
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Speaker 5: expect us all to act together and do everything we
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Speaker 5: can to try to prevent anything like that horrific day
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Speaker 5: in Bondi happening again, and this is part of that process.
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Speaker 2: Even without guns, the very same risk that allegedly caused
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Speaker 2: fifteen people to be killed, including a little girl, remains.
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Speaker 2: Terrorists globally use knives car rammings, explosive devices, and of
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Speaker 2: course the shooters at Bondai had improvised explosive devices with
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Speaker 2: them that thankfully didn't detonate. Getting rid of guns doesn't
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Speaker 2: solve the problem. If the Prime Minister genuinely wants to
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Speaker 2: prevent another territor, he'd be looking at Islamic extremism. As
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Speaker 2: Josh Friedenberg pointed out just three days after Bondi.
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Speaker 6: One of the leading journalists from the ABC say, this
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Speaker 6: has nothing to do with religion. That's not fact. We've
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Speaker 6: heard from the agencies that there was an ISIS flag
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Speaker 6: in the car, and we heard that these people have
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Speaker 6: been training with Islamic extremists.
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Speaker 2: This is the key issue. Albanezi's first response to Bondai,
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Speaker 2: as you'll recall, was gun laws not dealing with the
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Speaker 2: terror threat. He still hasn't dealt with it yet. It's
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Speaker 2: this dangerous ideology that could cause another loss of life
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Speaker 2: and it has no place in our country. From the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister. John Howard put it well just two days
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Speaker 2: after the Bondai massacre.
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Speaker 7: And as for specific changes to gun laws, I don't
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Speaker 7: want them to become a diversion and that's the fear
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Speaker 7: I have there are you know we going to tighten
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Speaker 7: these laws might have even better. Well, I told you
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Speaker 7: it'd be a good idea to tighten, good idea if
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Speaker 7: you had have tightened your language over the last couple
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Speaker 7: of years. And sound as though you were faired Ingham
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Speaker 7: in stopping the spread of any s images.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely right.
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Speaker 2: The late Lindsay Graham, the US Senator, put it even
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Speaker 2: more but bluntly at the time, and here he was
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Speaker 2: speaking about the Albanezy governments proposed gun laws in response
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Speaker 2: to the Bondai terror attack.
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Speaker 1: And gun control.
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Speaker 7: You think that's the answer to fighting isis you're an idiot?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Exactly.
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Speaker 2: But there are other flaws with this legislation as well.
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Speaker 2: The laws reduced the number of guns any individual is
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Speaker 2: allowed to hold to four.
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Speaker 1: But why four?
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Speaker 2: I mean if the Bondei shooter had a license for
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Speaker 2: four guns instead of six, they could still have carried
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Speaker 2: out the attack. It's a completely arbitrary number. Let's be clear.
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Speaker 2: This gun buyback scheme would not have stopped the Bondi attack.
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Speaker 2: And it's a point New South Wales opposition leader Kelly
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Speaker 2: Sloan made in no nonsense language to suggest.
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Speaker 4: A gun by bank is going to solve this for us.
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Speaker 4: He is going to stop another bondye. It's absolute bullshit
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Speaker 4: and I'm sorry for the Language's entirely unlikely, but I
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Speaker 4: am frustrated and we need to make sure that we
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Speaker 4: are addressing the real enemy.
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Speaker 2: And Kelly's standing by to join me in just a moment,
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Speaker 2: but she makes it very clear who the real enemy is.
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Speaker 4: The real enemy is not a farmer, and it is
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Speaker 4: not a law abiding supporting student from Sydney's West.
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Speaker 3: That is not the real enemy.
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Speaker 4: We need to be absolutely clear right about the real evil,
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Speaker 4: about the real danger that we are dealing with in
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Speaker 4: our community, and that is terrorism, violent extremist terrorism.
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Speaker 2: Now, the fact is Sajed Akrim should never have been
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Speaker 2: issued gun licenses in the first place. The government should
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Speaker 2: be examining the police Licensing Department, as well as the
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Speaker 2: failure of the AFP and Borderforce to pass on intelligence
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Speaker 2: to New South Wales Police and to asio that the
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Speaker 2: acrams had traveled to terror hotspots in the months and
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Speaker 2: the years prior to Bondai, and then, as John Howard said,
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Speaker 2: there's the failure to tackle anti semitism and hatred that
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Speaker 2: was very clearly escalating on our streets. Intelligence sources have
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Speaker 2: told me that Sajed Akrim was motivated by the Israel
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Speaker 2: Hamas war and this is where leadership plays a role.
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Speaker 2: But unfortunately it's the one thing our Prime minister is lacking.
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Speaker 2: Let's return now to the gun buybacks scheme and New
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Speaker 2: South Wales opposition leader Kelly Sloane joins me live in studio.
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Speaker 3: Kelly, welcome to the Progress Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Now, firstly, what's your response to the Prime Minister Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanzi and Premier Chris Mins saying that this gun buyback
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Speaker 2: scheme is needed in response to the Bondie attack.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's just not and there is a reason that
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Speaker 4: Chris Mins was the only premiere in the country to
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Speaker 4: stand next to Albanezi to announce that they would sign
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Speaker 4: up to this. What I think is a flawed, half
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Speaker 4: baked proposal around a gun buyback scheme which is a
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Speaker 4: very expensive way to fix the wrong problem. And the
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Speaker 4: wrong problem, or the problem that we should be addressing,
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Speaker 4: is violent extremism, terrorism, Islamic terrorism, the organized criminals on
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Speaker 4: our streets. They are the true evil that we are facing.
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Speaker 4: But it is not law abiding farmers, it is not
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Speaker 4: law abiding sporting shooters from our suburbs. We shouldn't be
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Speaker 4: blaming them in a in a blanketpproach that is underfunded
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Speaker 4: and undercooked.
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Speaker 2: And I think you make the point well that I
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Speaker 2: mean you said the government has to be kidding if
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Speaker 2: they think that terrorists or organized criminals or bikis will
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Speaker 2: be walking into a cop shop to hand in their weapons.
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Speaker 3: And this is the thing.
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Speaker 4: We're measuring success by the wrong metric, like the amount
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Speaker 4: of guns that get handed in. It should be about
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Speaker 4: who's handing them in. And I guarantee it is not
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Speaker 4: going to be the crime bosses. It's not going to
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Speaker 4: be the people that are shooting up our streets in
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Speaker 4: southwestern Sydney and again in Melbourne today, and it is
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Speaker 4: certainly not going to be would be terrorists. It's the
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Speaker 4: equivalent of Melbourne's machety bins. This just isn't going to
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Speaker 4: work in the way they want it to.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 4: I've got no problem with getting more guns off our streets,
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Speaker 4: particularly in the cities where there's no reason for concrete
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Speaker 4: cowboys in our cities to be having stashes of hundreds
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Speaker 4: of weapons. That certainly shouldn't happen, But we actually need
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Speaker 4: to address the flaws in this legislation in the first place,
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Speaker 4: and that is what we're hearing now increasingly are unworkable.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps so just to be clear, you won't be supporting
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Speaker 2: this legislation.
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Speaker 4: So I need to be very clear that in the
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Speaker 4: week after BONDI this legislation was introduced into New South
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Speaker 4: Wales Parliament. It was rushed law. I stood side by
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Speaker 4: side with the Premiere during this period. I do not
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Speaker 4: doubt that he had the very best interests at heart
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Speaker 4: with the community, but I did say at the time
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Speaker 4: that the legislation he was attempting to pass was rushed,
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Speaker 4: it was flawed, and there would be unintended consequences.
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Speaker 3: I supported it in the name.
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Speaker 4: Of bipartisanship because I believe, in the wake of the
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Speaker 4: worst terrorism tragedy in our country, it is not the
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Speaker 4: job of an opposition to merely oppose. You have to
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Speaker 4: stand and support the Premier. But I also said, and
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Speaker 4: I was very clear about this and the press release
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Speaker 4: I issued the very next day, we need to be
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Speaker 4: clear eyed about the true cause of this, which is
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Speaker 4: anti semitism and violent extremism, and where these laws are
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Speaker 4: found to be flawed or where we can do better
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Speaker 4: we must do better and since and I've spent a
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Speaker 4: lot of time with farmers, sporting shooters, people in various
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Speaker 4: communities who are saying we haven't got the laws right.
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Speaker 4: So we need to look at how we can improve
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Speaker 4: the laws. Keep our gun laws strong, but they must
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Speaker 4: be workable and fair.
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Speaker 2: Right, so you have changed your position, and just to
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Speaker 2: be clear, you won't be voting for these you won't
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Speaker 2: be supporting them when they got it through the parliament.
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Speaker 4: So the gun laws have passed through parliament, but the
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Speaker 4: problem is that the regulations haven't been imposed yet. So
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Speaker 4: for rushing it through New South Wales Parliament on Christmas Eve.
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Speaker 4: Eight months later, we are still waiting for the full
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Speaker 4: implementation of the scheme and now we're hearing about a
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Speaker 4: half baked gun buyback that we know just isn't going
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Speaker 4: to work. I had hoped to be working with the
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Speaker 4: government on improving these laws. It is not good enough
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Speaker 4: to be able to stand up and say these are
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Speaker 4: the toughest gun laws in the country. And there is
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Speaker 4: a reason. We need to be pragmatic and we need
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Speaker 4: to listen as politicians. And if we didn't get it
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Speaker 4: right or it wasn't it could be improved. We must
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Speaker 4: do better and that's what I'm pledging today and I've
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Speaker 4: been doing for the last few months. I stood up
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Speaker 4: at New South Wales Farmer's conference and said the same thing.
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Speaker 4: I've been talking with stakeholders and saying, you're saying you
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Speaker 4: got it.
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Speaker 2: Wrong when you supported Chrismin's on this ledge.
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Speaker 4: I didn't get it wrong. I don't regret standing with
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Speaker 4: the Premier in a moment of tragedy and saying we'll
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Speaker 4: support you, but we'll get it right later if there
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Speaker 4: are unintended consequences. It's a really tough decision. I wanted
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Speaker 4: the community to see us standing side by side. I
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Speaker 4: was in a deep state of trauma. I've been in
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Speaker 4: the middle of that Bondie attack. I was a brand
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Speaker 4: new opposition leader, had been in the job three weeks.
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Speaker 4: I had a skeleton stuff. We weren't in a position
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Speaker 4: to prosecute an argument in Parliament and I didn't want
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Speaker 4: it to be messy for the public. But I'd made
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Speaker 4: a pledge at the time that if we didn't get
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Speaker 4: it right, we would consult, we would talk to farming communities,
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Speaker 4: and that's exactly what I've done.
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Speaker 2: I just want to turn to a couple of other issues.
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Speaker 2: And you've just been visiting farms in regional area in
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Speaker 2: New England. I understand fifth generation farmers who are dealing
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Speaker 2: with massive transmission lines being forced through their property for
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Speaker 2: renewable energy projects. How disruptive is this and how big
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Speaker 2: are these transmission lights.
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Speaker 4: Well in the area of the New England res the
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Speaker 4: proposed new transmission line route, so this was changed on locals.
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Speaker 4: The well cut a bayswater line involves every four hundred
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Speaker 4: meters or so transmission lines that are up to as
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Speaker 4: high as the opera house every four hundred meters through
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Speaker 4: prime agricultural land. The other thing that we're seeing in
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Speaker 4: that area is the economics just doesn't stack up. It's
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Speaker 4: costing more than we ever thought it would cost. That
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Speaker 4: will drive energy bills up, not just in that area
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Speaker 4: but in the city. And we're seeing some of the
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Speaker 4: big industry players exiting the field. And in that case,
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Speaker 4: we need to pivot, we need to change, and the
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Speaker 4: coalition has said that we will save those farms. We
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Speaker 4: will make sure that if we're elected next year, the
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Speaker 4: transmission lines do not go on that new route, will
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Speaker 4: stick with existing infrastructure, and we will put the energy
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Speaker 4: elsewhere where it makes sense, So generation in the opp
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Speaker 4: generation closer to the cities, and that's our pledge.
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Speaker 2: In terms of the housing slump, I mean this is
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Speaker 2: something that everyone is noticing, you know, an unintended consequence
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Speaker 2: or catastrophic consequence as a result of Labour's changes to
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Speaker 2: negative gearing and capital gains tax. How big of a
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Speaker 2: problem is this in terms of house prices mortgage applications collapsing.
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Speaker 4: I think that we're seeing, on one hand, you know,
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Speaker 4: potentially a buyas market for young first home buyers who
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Speaker 4: are seeing housing prices drop. That should be the outcome,
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Speaker 4: but it's not being balanced by supply, it's not being
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Speaker 4: balanced by drops in rents. And then we are seeing
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Speaker 4: a situation where many young people who bought into their
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Speaker 4: post homes are having a negative equity. So that's not
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Speaker 4: good either. The confidence is being evaporating, the market's getting spooped,
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Speaker 4: and I have a feeling that we're in a situation
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Speaker 4: that was entirely unpredicted and should have been predicted. Because
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Speaker 4: his stry doesn't always repeat, but it certainly rhymes, and
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Speaker 4: Albanezi should have seen this coming. He's unfortunately had a
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Speaker 4: situation where we're not creating extra supply in the market,
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Speaker 4: and it's young people who are suffering and whose rents
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Speaker 4: are going up and therefore they can't afford it by
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Speaker 4: the next home.
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Speaker 2: Just very quickly, I want to get your reaction to
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Speaker 2: two big news stories, bearing your mind there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of legal issues around this. The prestigious Scott's College is
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Speaker 2: in your electorate, Kelly, you know, what's your response to
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Speaker 2: the scandal engulfing Scott's at the moment.
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Speaker 4: I think it's a deeply shocking allegation that has been
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Speaker 4: made and it's probably like rocked the whole community. I
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Speaker 4: know that this is a police matter. These are children,
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Speaker 4: both the elected victim and perpetrators, and I just would
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Speaker 4: say I think it's really important for parents to be
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Speaker 4: having conversations. We can talk about the school, we can
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Speaker 4: talk about community leaders, but we often forget to talk
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Speaker 4: about parental responsibility and the importance of having those chats
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Speaker 4: with young people today, particularly today in this day and
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Speaker 4: age where it is so easy for young people to
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Speaker 4: access online pornography. They're seeing disturbing images. It's a fast
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Speaker 4: paced world. None of that necessarily relating to the case
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Speaker 4: because that's all before the courts. But I think it's
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Speaker 4: an important time to sit down with your kids, to
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Speaker 4: have big, good role models at home and to have
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Speaker 4: these conversations that are incredibly difficult, but difficult conversations now
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Speaker 4: sometimes can prevent even tougher conversations later.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely brag girls and our boys.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely and then disappointing news about your team as well,
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Speaker 2: the Sydney Swans.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean, we expect our sporting stars to
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Speaker 4: be good role models and we hold them to a
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Speaker 4: higher standard, but they shouldn't be holding themselves to a
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Speaker 4: lower standard. So I mean, this is shocking news. It's
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Speaker 4: a club that has had such a high standard and
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Speaker 4: such a good standing in the community, so when you
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Speaker 4: hear this news it really flaws people.
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Speaker 2: And of course still allegations that police are investigating Kelly.
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Speaker 3: Thanks right much, really appreciate your time. Thanks Sherry. Thanks well.
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Speaker 2: There was a brilliant article by journalists James Dowling in
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Speaker 2: The Australian Today which raised questions over the Royal Commission
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Speaker 2: into Antisemitism and how effective.
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Speaker 3: It will be.
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Speaker 2: It outlined its limitations, its flaws and its failures, and
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Speaker 2: it quoted the prominent former Federal Court Judge Ronald Sackville.
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Speaker 2: He has quite some experience in this space, having shared
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Speaker 2: the Disability Royal Commission. He also personally worked alongside Commission
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Speaker 2: of Virginia Bell on the New South Wales Court of
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Speaker 2: Appeal and I'm pleased to say the Honorable Ronald Sackville
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Speaker 2: sat down with me for an exclusive television interview earlier today.
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Speaker 3: Ronald, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 8: That's a pleasure.
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Speaker 2: First to start with, how do you assess the Royal
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Speaker 2: Commissions going?
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Speaker 8: There are many things that you've got to take into account.
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Speaker 8: I think that the Royal Commission has done some really
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Speaker 8: very good work, particularly in allowing Jewish Australians to recount
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Speaker 8: their experiences of anti Semitism in a supportive environment at
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Speaker 8: open hearings and sometimes with due protection for their privacy,
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Speaker 8: by allowing people to give evidence anonymously, that I think
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Speaker 8: is really very important. It's been important because it's cathartic
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Speaker 8: for the grieving and traumatized Jewish community, and it's important
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Speaker 8: in order to inform the broader Australian community of the
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Speaker 8: experiences of Jewish aus threat, so that part of it
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Speaker 8: has been I think very well done. As has the
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Speaker 8: Royal Commission's actions in producing about twenty thousand submissions, which
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Speaker 8: is a major achievement, and many of those are very
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Speaker 8: very important, the compelling accounts of the experiences of Jewish people.
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Speaker 8: Many examined the policy issues in great detail. So there
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Speaker 8: are some really good aspects of the Royal Commission my
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Speaker 8: own view, and it has been from the beginning that
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Speaker 8: in order to cover the most of the matters in
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Speaker 8: the terms of reference, in thoroughly and in detail, you
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Speaker 8: would need more than one year or eleven months, really,
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Speaker 8: and I think that what has happened is that the
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Speaker 8: Royal Commissioners had to tailor its hearings and its inquiries
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Speaker 8: to the deadline of the fourteenth of December twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 8: and that has meant that certain things that might have
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Speaker 8: been examined in more detail have not been. And I
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Speaker 8: particularly think that there could have been more done with
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Speaker 8: more time to hold accountable people have been responsible for
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Speaker 8: at of egregious anti senitism.
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Speaker 2: Would you encourage Commission of Virginia Belle to ask for
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Speaker 2: an extension of time.
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Speaker 3: It is within her powers and remit to do that.
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Speaker 8: It's always possible for a Royal Commissioner to seek an
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Speaker 8: extension of time. The Disability Royal Commission, which I shared,
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Speaker 8: was originally set up for three years, and we requested
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Speaker 8: an extension for a variety of compelling reasons, and eventually
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Speaker 8: we had four and a half years. I think it's
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Speaker 8: in a sense of move question. I think Commissioner Bell
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Speaker 8: has made it quite clear that she is not going
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Speaker 8: to seek an extension, and that's a decision that it's
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Speaker 8: opened to her to make, of course, but it does
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Speaker 8: have consequences for what can be covered by the Commission.
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Speaker 2: If it were you doing it, you would seek an
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Speaker 2: extension more than eleven months.
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Speaker 8: If it were me doing it, all sorts of things
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Speaker 8: might have happened. But if I were to forward an
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Speaker 8: application and extension, it would have been much earlier than
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Speaker 8: right now.
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Speaker 2: Well, given your in depth experience both as a Federal
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Speaker 2: Court judge and as the former chair of the Disability
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Speaker 2: Royal Commission, what are your key concerns with how this
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Speaker 2: Royal commission into anti Semitism is unfolding.
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Speaker 8: Well, the major concerns I have, as indicated is that
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Speaker 8: I think the part of the function of a royal
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Speaker 8: commission of this kind is to investigate in some detail
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Speaker 8: the conduct of people who have engaged in anti Semitic
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Speaker 8: act for example, in social media. We all know that
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Speaker 8: social media can be assess pool and for people who
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Speaker 8: are on social media within the Jewish community, particularly writers
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Speaker 8: and creative people, they've been subjected to relentless anti Semitic abuse.
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Speaker 8: I think it would have been a very good thing
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Speaker 8: for the Commission to use its powers of compulsion at
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Speaker 8: least to bring forward some of those who have engaged
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Speaker 8: in these acts and hold them accountable, not just for
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Speaker 8: the purpose of shaming them, but in order to vindicate
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Speaker 8: the experiences of Jewish people, to show that people can
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Speaker 8: be held accountable for their actions, and to discourage people
20:41
Speaker 8: in the future for doing that sort of thing. It's
20:43
Speaker 8: not only the criminal law that can be used to
20:46
Speaker 8: discourage people from hateful act there are other ways in
20:49
Speaker 8: which that can be done.
20:51
Speaker 3: Yes, that's a really important point.
20:53
Speaker 2: Do you think the Opera House rally? I mean that
20:56
Speaker 2: rally on October nine was really the first public of
21:00
Speaker 2: antisemitism after the October seven attacks, and it came as
21:05
Speaker 2: a shock to so many people. It was it was
21:07
Speaker 2: bewildering to so many. Yet the Commission only devoted five hours.
21:13
Speaker 3: Of time to that rally.
21:17
Speaker 2: Do you think there should be or should have been
21:19
Speaker 2: a more thorough examination of the actors involved and the
21:23
Speaker 2: response from authorities.
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Speaker 8: In an ideal world, yes, I would have liked to
21:29
Speaker 8: have seen a much much more thorough investigation probing a
21:34
Speaker 8: number of questions. We know what the position of the
21:37
Speaker 8: Palestinian groups that were given leave to mister Ossip was
21:41
Speaker 8: or is. They say that the loathsome anti Semitic acts
21:47
Speaker 8: were committed by people who joined the protest after the
21:50
Speaker 8: town hall and after the protest had moved to the
21:53
Speaker 8: Opera House, and that the organizers did their best to
21:57
Speaker 8: stop that or at least curtail it. But we don't
22:00
Speaker 8: know what actually happened without a forensic examination, which would
22:05
Speaker 8: require the Commission to use its powers of compulsion to
22:08
Speaker 8: make some findings about what actually occurred. Judging from Council
22:13
Speaker 8: assistants opening address at that hearing on the fourth of August,
22:16
Speaker 8: it seems highly unlikely that any findings about that will
22:20
Speaker 8: be made, so in a sense that is an opportunity lost.
22:24
Speaker 8: I can understand the reasons for the Commission taking their course,
22:27
Speaker 8: but my view is that there was an opportunity to
22:31
Speaker 8: take it further, and that opportunity was lost just.
22:35
Speaker 2: On that cross examination of Jewish leader David Ossip that
22:39
Speaker 2: you refer to by the lawyers acting for pro Palestinian
22:42
Speaker 2: activist groups and not only cross examining him, but examining
22:48
Speaker 2: him about events in the Middle East unrelated to Australia.
22:52
Speaker 3: Did that concern you to see that happen.
22:55
Speaker 8: There are number of issues that arise. It's important to
22:59
Speaker 8: note that the Commissioner Bell was right to say that
23:02
Speaker 8: counsel for those groups had not attempted to hijack the hearing.
23:05
Speaker 8: They'd done what they are entitled to do. That is
23:08
Speaker 8: to seek leaves to appear at the hearing on behalf
23:10
Speaker 8: of those organizations and to cross leave to cross examined.
23:14
Speaker 8: They're two different things. Leave to appear at a hearing
23:17
Speaker 8: does not carry with it automatically the right to cross
23:20
Speaker 8: examination cross examine a witness. That's a separate matter. And
23:25
Speaker 8: the argument that a Commissioner bealuesed was that this was
23:30
Speaker 8: necessary in order to afford procedural fairness to those groups.
23:36
Speaker 8: I don't were to go into detail about that at
23:38
Speaker 8: the moment, but my own view is that to the
23:41
Speaker 8: extent that procedural fairness was required. There are ways in
23:44
Speaker 8: which that could have been satisfied quite readily without giving
23:48
Speaker 8: leave to cross examine mister Ossit, bearing in mind that
23:51
Speaker 8: most of the things he was cross examined about he
23:53
Speaker 8: did not know and perfectly understandably did.
23:56
Speaker 3: Not know, and he made that very clear.
23:58
Speaker 2: He said, this is outside of my knowledge, this is
24:01
Speaker 2: outside of my ability to answer those questions.
24:03
Speaker 3: But the Commissioner overruled him.
24:04
Speaker 8: Well, if the question didn't overrule him. The Commissioner said,
24:08
Speaker 8: in response to an objection made by council who appeared
24:11
Speaker 8: for the Jewish organizations, that she thought that some of
24:14
Speaker 8: this questioning was permissible. Ultimately, she brought a halt to
24:18
Speaker 8: it when the senior Council for the Australian and Palestinian Network
24:24
Speaker 8: wanted to continue with the cross examination on the background
24:28
Speaker 8: to what she said, well, the demonstrations and what Israel's
24:33
Speaker 8: conduct over many years, which the objection implicitly at least
24:39
Speaker 8: said was outside the terms of reference of the Royal Commission.
24:42
Speaker 2: She let it run for an hour, and David os
24:44
Speaker 2: Have did, in his first and second answer, raise that
24:46
Speaker 2: he didn't think it was appropriate for him to answer
24:48
Speaker 2: the questions, and she said, if it falls outside the
24:51
Speaker 2: terms of reference, I will intervene.
24:53
Speaker 8: Well, that's the role of it. The role of a
24:54
Speaker 8: commissioner is to control the proceedings, make rulings, and of
24:59
Speaker 8: course Mission of Bell was entitled to make those really
25:02
Speaker 8: just as anybody who is critical of what happened is
25:05
Speaker 8: entitled to criticize because it's a public hearing, and a
25:08
Speaker 8: royal commission is not immune from.
25:10
Speaker 2: Criticism, of course, just outside of the technical rules of
25:14
Speaker 2: the terms of reference and whether or not it abided
25:17
Speaker 2: by them.
25:17
Speaker 3: I mean the.
25:18
Speaker 2: Perception broadly in the Jewish community was it played into
25:21
Speaker 2: this narrative that Jewish Australians can be held responsible for
25:25
Speaker 2: the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza.
25:29
Speaker 8: I think one of the most obvious manifestations of anti
25:33
Speaker 8: Semitism is precisely that it's reflected in the notion you
25:38
Speaker 8: hear so often expressed Zionists, supporters of racism, Zionists the
25:44
Speaker 8: supporters of genocide. I leave to one side the question
25:47
Speaker 8: of whether Israel has in fact committed genocide, holding a
25:52
Speaker 8: group of Jewish Australians, that is, Jewish Australians who regard
25:56
Speaker 8: themselves as Zionists, they hold a range of opinions to
26:00
Speaker 8: hold every one of them responsible for the actions of Israel,
26:03
Speaker 8: which in some respects are very much to be condemned.
26:07
Speaker 8: That is a perfect example of racism and an example
26:11
Speaker 8: of anti Semitism.
26:12
Speaker 2: There seems to be this sense that the Commission has
26:15
Speaker 2: tread lightly. Could the Commission have used its coercive powers
26:19
Speaker 2: in a more effective way?
26:21
Speaker 8: Well, it certainly could have used its coercive powers much
26:25
Speaker 8: more often and much more deeply. It chose not to,
26:28
Speaker 8: and that was a judgment, of course, that is open
26:31
Speaker 8: to the Royal Commission.
26:33
Speaker 2: What about the fact the Royal Commission hasn't called Josh Friedenberg,
26:37
Speaker 2: who is the highest ranking Jewish Australia to ever serve
26:41
Speaker 2: in Parliament.
26:45
Speaker 8: That is a decision, obviously for the Commission, and there
26:49
Speaker 8: could be a number of reasons forwards. One that has
26:52
Speaker 8: been put to me from within the organized Jewish community
26:56
Speaker 8: is that Josh really wouldn't be able to add terribly
26:59
Speaker 8: much to what is already been said. It's obviously had
27:03
Speaker 8: an impact within the Jewish community and anything that causes
27:07
Speaker 8: the standing of the Royal Commission to be diminished at
27:10
Speaker 8: all within the Jewish community I think would be better avoided.
27:14
Speaker 8: But again, the Royal Commission has to make these kinds
27:17
Speaker 8: of decisions, bearing in mind that not everybody can be
27:20
Speaker 8: called to give evidence, and there are a large number
27:23
Speaker 8: of issues that have been examined and still remain to be.
27:26
Speaker 3: Examined, and they have to live with the consequences.
27:29
Speaker 2: Just final couple of questions, do you think there has
27:33
Speaker 2: been a loss of confidence in this Royal Commission from
27:36
Speaker 2: the Jewish community.
27:38
Speaker 8: I can't answer that definitively. My sense of it within
27:44
Speaker 8: the people that I'm aware of within the Jewish community
27:47
Speaker 8: is that for some people the hearing on the fourth
27:50
Speaker 8: of August in particular was disappointing, and for those people
27:55
Speaker 8: there may have been a diminution in their competence in
27:58
Speaker 8: the Commission. I think that's a pity. But it's important
28:02
Speaker 8: to bear in mind that the Commission still has went
28:05
Speaker 8: out towards the end of August, so we've got another
28:08
Speaker 8: four months more or less before the report is due.
28:11
Speaker 8: There are more hearings, there's an opportunity for that competence
28:14
Speaker 8: to the extent it's been diminished, to be restored. So
28:18
Speaker 8: I'm not sure that it is a permanent difficulty, but
28:22
Speaker 8: there's no doubt that within some sections of the Jewish
28:25
Speaker 8: community there has been a diminution in confidence.
28:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd certainly say there has been.
28:31
Speaker 2: Is this a lost opportunity in a sense to have
28:33
Speaker 2: a powerful royal commission into anti Semitism and not give
28:37
Speaker 2: it the full time that it needs.
28:38
Speaker 8: I don't think you can say at this stage that
28:40
Speaker 8: it's a lost opportunity. I think that there's much to
28:44
Speaker 8: unfold as it. There are some criticisms that I think
28:47
Speaker 8: can be made of particular decisions that have been made
28:51
Speaker 8: within the Commission, but I think it would be premiture
28:54
Speaker 8: to say that it's a lost opportunity. We live in
28:56
Speaker 8: a world where perfection is very rarely achieved. Save on
29:01
Speaker 8: your news.
29:01
Speaker 2: Show, thank you so much for your time.
29:04
Speaker 8: That's a pleasure.
29:06
Speaker 2: And that was the former Federal Court judge Ronald Sackville.
29:10
Speaker 2: We'll still to come the tragic rise and fall of
29:12
Speaker 2: Cambridge University professor Jason R. Day And Pauline Hanson says
29:17
Speaker 2: she doesn't like the Mardi Gras and she's still refusing
29:20
Speaker 2: to look up the name of the Indonesian president.
29:22
Speaker 3: Ray Hardley will.
29:23
Speaker 2: Tell us what he thinks after the break, welcome back
29:30
Speaker 2: and joining us at the desk as always in a
29:32
Speaker 2: Monday radio legend, Ray Hadley, who's been making the news
29:35
Speaker 2: today again, but I can't ask you about it because
29:37
Speaker 2: it's before the.
29:38
Speaker 1: Court sub judasy.
29:39
Speaker 9: They call.
29:40
Speaker 1: Nice to be with you, good to see you again.
29:42
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's have a look at this fantastic
29:44
Speaker 2: interview that Andrew Clenell did with Pauline Hanson yesterday. And
29:48
Speaker 2: she made a few controversial comments. Okay, here's the first
29:52
Speaker 2: thing she had to say about the Mardi Gras.
29:55
Speaker 3: Do I like the game Martigra?
29:57
Speaker 1: No, and I'll tell you that now.
29:59
Speaker 10: No, I still don't like the game Marti Gras, but
30:02
Speaker 10: that's my opinion.
30:04
Speaker 2: He also asked her Ray about comments she'd made previously,
30:09
Speaker 2: which I don't even really want to repeat, where she said,
30:11
Speaker 2: you know, very offensive things about and he played her
30:14
Speaker 2: the comments back to her very offensive things about you know,
30:18
Speaker 2: people who are homosexual, and she didn't distance.
30:21
Speaker 3: Herself from them.
30:22
Speaker 2: I would have liked her to say, I am horrified
30:25
Speaker 2: both by those past comments. I don't believe them anymore,
30:28
Speaker 2: but she didn't say that.
30:29
Speaker 9: We're probably talking about comments she made thirty years ago,
30:32
Speaker 9: and I would hope that she's like that.
30:34
Speaker 1: She's much more enlightened now.
30:36
Speaker 2: But look, but say that then, well.
30:39
Speaker 9: Look, Pauline is on a roll. Okay, she shoots from
30:43
Speaker 9: the hip. Sometimes she doesn't think about what she's saying,
30:46
Speaker 9: and sometimes she does, but she's a provocateur.
30:49
Speaker 1: She says things that she knows will get a reaction.
30:52
Speaker 9: I'm tipping that there are plenty of people who've swung
30:55
Speaker 9: across to her who.
30:56
Speaker 1: Have similar views about a whole range of things.
30:58
Speaker 9: Whether they're correct or not, and whether their views that
31:02
Speaker 9: I'd hold, I'd be horrified, but they're her views. And
31:06
Speaker 9: what she's done is identified herself as an alternative to
31:09
Speaker 9: the normal politician. And the other thing I know that
31:14
Speaker 9: we were talking about earlier is about her not knowing
31:16
Speaker 9: the name of the Japanese Prime minister.
31:19
Speaker 3: And the Indonesian president.
31:20
Speaker 9: Well, honestly, how many people watching here tonight or in
31:24
Speaker 9: the electorate know the name of the Indonesia.
31:27
Speaker 2: Prime She's not running to be prime minister.
31:29
Speaker 1: But she's not going to be prime Minister's showing.
31:31
Speaker 2: Know a lot of people think she will know she's.
31:33
Speaker 1: In the upper House, She's not going to be the Prime.
31:35
Speaker 2: Minister saying, you know, there's nothing preventing her from the
31:38
Speaker 2: Upper House being prime.
31:39
Speaker 3: A lot of people want her to be.
31:41
Speaker 9: Well, the Constitution might stop her there, but the simple
31:44
Speaker 9: fact of the matter is that she is not one
31:47
Speaker 9: who is big on detail. And look, you had Kelly
31:52
Speaker 9: slayanon earlier when she was first elevated the Ladery opposition.
31:55
Speaker 1: They did at Vox Pop.
31:56
Speaker 9: I think on what was known as sky and years
31:58
Speaker 9: back then no one knew who she was. They know
32:00
Speaker 9: who she is now. But if you are someone who's
32:03
Speaker 9: the opposition leader in Victoria Victorians obviously, who's the opposition
32:08
Speaker 9: leader in New South Wales, who's the premier in Victoria,
32:11
Speaker 9: who's the opposition leader in Queensland? You see, I don't
32:14
Speaker 9: think it matters to people that she doesn't know the
32:16
Speaker 9: name of these prominent politicians.
32:18
Speaker 2: People just think the media is bullying her, But I
32:20
Speaker 2: actually want to play that.
32:20
Speaker 9: She might struggle a bit with pronunciations as well, which I.
32:23
Speaker 2: Do from times pronunciations, But this was actually a fat
32:27
Speaker 2: This is fascinating for more reasons than the fact that
32:29
Speaker 2: she didn't just know the answer, because what Here's what happened.
32:32
Speaker 2: Chris Kenny in his documentary interview, said to her, do
32:35
Speaker 2: you know the name of the Indonesian president or the
32:38
Speaker 2: Japanese Prime Minister?
32:39
Speaker 3: She didn't.
32:39
Speaker 2: Then she went on Chris Kenny show a couple of
32:41
Speaker 2: weeks later. She brought it up and he said to her, well,
32:44
Speaker 2: can you name can you name the Indonesian president our.
32:47
Speaker 3: No, she couldn't.
32:48
Speaker 1: He doesn't care, And.
32:49
Speaker 2: Clanel asked her yesterday, and let's have a look.
32:52
Speaker 3: Here's what she told Clanel.
32:54
Speaker 10: I still haven't looked up who the pri Mister of
32:56
Speaker 10: Indonesia is because I don't need to know. I'm not
33:00
Speaker 10: foreign minister, I'm not the Prime minister.
33:03
Speaker 2: So she's refusing to look it up and play the
33:05
Speaker 2: way she.
33:06
Speaker 1: Should have had.
33:08
Speaker 9: The most famous Indonesian president is bang Bang Judiana, and
33:12
Speaker 9: there there's a name you'd never forget.
33:14
Speaker 2: Why is she refused because she's just look it up.
33:17
Speaker 9: She's not a conventional politician, and she probably struggles to
33:20
Speaker 9: say Sabiano. I don't know, but it doesn't matter, and
33:25
Speaker 9: those protests by the young people last week won't make
33:27
Speaker 9: any difference to the polls either. She's on a roll,
33:30
Speaker 9: and she knows she's on a roll. And as she said,
33:33
Speaker 9: I'm not the prime minister, and yet she's been worn
33:35
Speaker 9: three times. She was going to be asked by Andrew,
33:37
Speaker 9: she was going to be asked by other people about
33:40
Speaker 9: who it was. And she doesn't care, she said. And
33:42
Speaker 9: her point would be most of the people who are
33:45
Speaker 9: swinging towards her, they don't know who it is either,
33:48
Speaker 9: and they don't care who it is.
33:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, they're not running.
33:52
Speaker 1: I'm not convincing you when I.
33:54
Speaker 2: She wants to be the prime minister. I mean she
33:56
Speaker 2: needs to know who the president of Indonesia is.
33:59
Speaker 1: I want to be a billion yeah, but I'm not
34:00
Speaker 1: going to be one.
34:01
Speaker 2: All right, Well maybe maybe you could be Ray, I mean,
34:03
Speaker 2: maybe she learned a bit more details. All right, let's
34:07
Speaker 2: turn to this student visa. Ah, so this is quite
34:12
Speaker 2: a big.
34:13
Speaker 1: Issue, and she's onder this.
34:15
Speaker 9: I mean, she doesn't know whether she's talking about net
34:17
Speaker 9: or permanent migration.
34:20
Speaker 1: But look, the student visa is a big story.
34:22
Speaker 9: It's called a four eight five, and once these people
34:25
Speaker 9: have graduated, they get this temporary graduation visa. And currently
34:31
Speaker 9: in this country there are two hundred and seventy one
34:33
Speaker 9: thousand people on these extended visas. Now, most people watching
34:37
Speaker 9: would think, oh, they've been to a really prominent university. No,
34:41
Speaker 9: it's only two years of study as a Planber course.
34:43
Speaker 9: Perhaps as well as being a university course or two
34:45
Speaker 9: years of Planber course, they could be learning how to
34:47
Speaker 9: may lawns or do a whole range of things, you know.
34:50
Speaker 9: So there are two hundred and seventy one thousand of
34:52
Speaker 9: thoys that have been extended by the Labor Party for
34:55
Speaker 9: people to stay here. Not permanently, but an extension, and
34:58
Speaker 9: they'll fight to stay here. Of the two hundred and
35:00
Speaker 9: seventy one thousand, seventy four thousand of those visas have
35:05
Speaker 9: been issued to family members, either the children or the
35:09
Speaker 9: spouse of the person who holds a visa. So, all
35:12
Speaker 9: of a sudden, a third of the people here on
35:15
Speaker 9: study visas are not studying. And that's a raw, and
35:19
Speaker 9: that's something that tiny Birks should change immediately.
35:22
Speaker 2: I didn't actually know that before this report that there
35:25
Speaker 2: are so many people here off the back of a
35:28
Speaker 2: student visa that their whole family can come.
35:30
Speaker 9: Yeah, that doesn't include all the other people on student visas.
35:33
Speaker 9: These are people granted another visa when they finished a
35:36
Speaker 9: minimum two year course at some sort of ministrance. It
35:39
Speaker 9: could be a private institution, it could be some college
35:41
Speaker 9: that privately run and they've done two years there. You
35:44
Speaker 9: don't know what they've graduated with a diploma in anything.
35:46
Speaker 9: But they then apply for the four eight five visa.
35:49
Speaker 9: Two seventy one thousand, get it. Of that, seventy four
35:51
Speaker 9: thousand are not actually students.
35:53
Speaker 3: It's such a mess, the migration.
35:55
Speaker 1: Set, the whole thing's just ridiculous.
35:56
Speaker 3: It needs a big cleanup.
35:58
Speaker 2: Now, Ray, I'm mellingate by the entire of last week
36:02
Speaker 2: now since then, and I'm so glad we're not getting
36:05
Speaker 2: completely back into this. But the podcaster Nicki Osborne has
36:10
Speaker 2: come out and said, you know that she DMed the PM,
36:12
Speaker 2: she slid into his DMS, and that he was already
36:15
Speaker 2: following her.
36:16
Speaker 1: Can you just stop there? Can you? What's a DM? Oh?
36:18
Speaker 3: Come on?
36:19
Speaker 1: No, Look, I'm not savvy like you. I'm a lot
36:21
Speaker 1: older than you.
36:22
Speaker 2: Direct message.
36:23
Speaker 9: If you direct, well, all the people out there watching
36:26
Speaker 9: they now know what it is.
36:27
Speaker 3: Do you have a Twitter or it's.
36:29
Speaker 1: Not only that? You know how many friends are on Instagram?
36:32
Speaker 9: Twelve, my children and their spouses and some of my grandchildren.
36:37
Speaker 1: That's it. I'm not an instant, but you do go viral.
36:40
Speaker 2: I mean your comments attacking the Prime Minister on the
36:43
Speaker 2: Monday after the terror attack, twenty four hours after the
36:47
Speaker 2: terror attack down at.
36:48
Speaker 3: The Masker site.
36:50
Speaker 2: You know, you were on air with me and everyone
36:52
Speaker 2: was around video and you and they went viral because
36:55
Speaker 2: you said to you you said he should resign.
36:57
Speaker 9: Well, I still think you should resign over a whole
36:59
Speaker 9: range of matters apart from that. But look simply in
37:03
Speaker 9: relation to this, okay, And you've got to be my
37:06
Speaker 9: age or a bit older to know Benny Hill. Now,
37:09
Speaker 9: Benny Hill was this comedian in Great Britain and he
37:12
Speaker 9: really played on the fact that he had rather large
37:15
Speaker 9: breasted ladies on his prey.
37:16
Speaker 1: And this is the no. No, it's right in sixteen
37:19
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies.
37:19
Speaker 9: But if if you do what the Prime Minister did,
37:21
Speaker 9: and I have to do it and say no, she
37:24
Speaker 9: didn't give me one melon, she gave me two melons,
37:26
Speaker 9: are double on Tondra means you're reflecting on the lady's breasts.
37:31
Speaker 1: And he can't keep denying it.
37:33
Speaker 9: And tenure plybus seconds I said today in the Daily
37:36
Speaker 9: Telegraph video. You're better than this, you know you shouldn't
37:40
Speaker 9: offend a man who did what he did, and for
37:43
Speaker 9: him to say, oh, look I use my hands all
37:45
Speaker 9: the time. I mean, what's next some other gesticulation which
37:49
Speaker 9: is just as offensive as that one for other people.
37:51
Speaker 9: I mean, look all he has to do, he apologized
37:53
Speaker 9: to Kylie. He should say, look, it was a dumb
37:56
Speaker 9: thing to do on the podcast in the first place.
37:58
Speaker 9: I shouldn't have done it. I'm a melon if your
38:01
Speaker 9: pardon the pun, and I apologize for anyone that mistook
38:06
Speaker 9: my gesticulations to indicate I was talking about the Japanese
38:11
Speaker 9: Prime Minister, whatever her name may be. Bress their end
38:15
Speaker 9: of the student ray Ah, Paul, are you watching half?
38:19
Speaker 3: I'm just showing off, all right? See you next?
38:22
Speaker 1: Mine down?
38:23
Speaker 8: All right?
38:24
Speaker 2: Still to come is the left obsession with diversity to
38:26
Speaker 2: blame for the Jason Ide tragedy? And how pro China
38:30
Speaker 2: Paul Keating advised Albanesi on managing relationships with China and
38:35
Speaker 2: the United States.
38:36
Speaker 3: That's next.
38:41
Speaker 1: Well.
38:41
Speaker 2: The new book has claimed that Prime Minister Anthony Alberanizi
38:45
Speaker 2: turned to former PM Paul Keating for advice on managing
38:48
Speaker 2: Australia's relationships with both the United States, and China Now.
38:52
Speaker 2: Keating is famously pro China. Yep political reports that, according
38:57
Speaker 2: to his biographer James Current, he had buyers Albanesi for
39:01
Speaker 2: several hours ahead of Albanese's meeting with Chinese President Shijingping,
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Speaker 2: even passing him talking points to keep in his pocket.
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Speaker 2: Joinning Ma now form a labor and p Michael Danby
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Speaker 2: and former Labour State Secretary Camera Milner. It's a whole
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Speaker 2: labor panel tonight, isn't it. Michael should Albanesi have been
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Speaker 2: seeking advice from Paul Keating on China?
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Speaker 11: No, and this is in the context of Pennywong finally
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Speaker 11: acting on Alex Chowski's brilliant picking flowers making honey about
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Speaker 11: the influence infiltration of Australian universities by Chinese military universities.
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Speaker 11: Keating has good advice to give on economic reform. I
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Speaker 11: wish you'd been giving that to Elbow. They could certainly
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Speaker 11: have used it. But on China, he seriously, as Gary
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Speaker 11: Gray used to describe him, captain wacky. And it's like
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Speaker 11: he listens to podcasters that he invites to the lodge
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Speaker 11: directly he listens to Keating on this. I wish you'd
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Speaker 11: listen even to Penny Warmer things to have a more
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Speaker 11: sound view of Beijing these days.
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Speaker 2: Cameron, you know, apparently in this report, apparently there was
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Speaker 2: even advice on how to use the memo.
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Speaker 3: I mean to me, that sounded a bit hard to believe.
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Speaker 12: Well, the memo would have come from Beijing to Paul
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Speaker 12: and then to Elbow. I mean, it would been written
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Speaker 12: in China.
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Speaker 1: I mean.
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Speaker 12: The problem, the problem, the problem for Kit, the problem
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Speaker 12: for Keating on this issue is his anti Orcus and
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Speaker 12: he's pro China. He's an avowed Sinophile and that's our problem.
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Speaker 12: And he's completely biased on this topic. So he doesn't
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Speaker 12: bring impartial advice, doesn't bring national interest. He brings his
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Speaker 12: own self interest and China's interest to the table. And
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Speaker 12: that's the biggest problem with this secret advice that was
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Speaker 12: given at Curability behind the Department of Prime Minister and
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Speaker 12: Cabinets back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the PM has yet to respond to this.
40:50
Speaker 2: Perhaps someone to ask him about it at a press
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Speaker 2: conference this week now, former Treasury bus Mike lie Well.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's see, let's see, and this is.
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Speaker 2: In a book by Keating's biographer, James Curran, according to
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Speaker 2: the Political Report, So we'll see from another former senior figure,
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Speaker 2: the former Treasury boss Martin Parkinson. He's slaming the government
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Speaker 2: over its spending levels. He's saying that future generations will
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Speaker 2: bear the cost of Labour's constant budget deficits. Here's what
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Speaker 2: he told the finn Review. He said, if we take
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Speaker 2: the budget papers as correct, it takes a decade to
41:23
Speaker 2: get back to headline surplus, and even then we get
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Speaker 2: a surplus in part because of an assumption on terminating
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Speaker 2: expiring programs. He says, we are consuming today and our
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Speaker 2: children are going to pay for it with their tax burden.
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Speaker 2: Michael Downing remarks, this is a.
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Speaker 11: Man who worked for labor governments in the past. He
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Speaker 11: worked for other governments too, but he's not a sort
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Speaker 11: of an anti labor economic conservative. He certainly is giving
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Speaker 11: the government good advice. I wish Paul keating him in
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Speaker 11: Elbow's ear about cutting budget deficits. Are cutting back on
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Speaker 11: the crazy schemes of green hydrogen that our mad Minister
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Speaker 11: for windmills, Blackout Bowen, is pushing all the time. There
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Speaker 11: are different ways of handling the economy in the way
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Speaker 11: that Elbow and his poor treasurer, his Sancho Painters is
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Speaker 11: handling it and Parkinson is right.
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Speaker 2: I mean Parkinson was, if memory serves me correct, he
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Speaker 2: was pretty close to former PM Kevin right. I mean,
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Speaker 2: if he's coming out publicly criticizing the spending, this, I mean,
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Speaker 2: this shows just how bad it is, doesn't it, Cameron?
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Speaker 1: It does.
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Speaker 12: And to Michael's point before, I mean market and Parkinson
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Speaker 12: is a labor guy who's advised Primist Guillard and Rudd
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Speaker 12: was a trusted confident in terms of treasury and also
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Speaker 12: Prime Minister in cabinet as well. So he is a
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Speaker 12: labor guy sounding the alarm bells on this reckless spending.
42:58
Speaker 12: Remember when Kevin Rudd said We've got to stopped this
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Speaker 12: reckless spinning, Well that was what he meant, and that's
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Speaker 12: what Martin Parkinson said today as well. We are spinning, yes,
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Speaker 12: spinning tomorrow's dollars, our children's dollars on failed schemes today.
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Speaker 1: And that's a huge problem.
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Speaker 12: And I'm so glad someone of Martin Parkinson's stature has
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Speaker 12: finally called time on this labor budget and time on
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Speaker 12: this reckless spending.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, I want to turn to this terrible story from
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Speaker 2: the UK Cambridge Academic Jason Ardey. Now you'll recall we've
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Speaker 2: been talking about it and off on the show for
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Speaker 2: the past couple of weeks. He resigned over allegations of
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Speaker 2: plagiarism and academic fraud, where he's now been found dead,
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Speaker 2: aged at forty one. Now he became a star candidate.
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Speaker 2: This was off the back of the diversity push, and
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Speaker 2: now there are major questions about whether Cambridge University did
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Speaker 2: its due diligence before they put him on a pedestal,
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Speaker 2: and also whether they took his vulnerability seriously when all
43:55
Speaker 2: of these reports started emerging in the media. Michael, what
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Speaker 2: do you think.
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Speaker 11: Sure's seemed the bright guy from the interviews I've seen too,
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Speaker 11: but I really shivered when I saw the patronizing way
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Speaker 11: the head of his department handled him. The woman who's
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Speaker 11: on screen now, it was so cruel to treat him
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Speaker 11: in this patronizing kind of way, giving him positions that
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Speaker 11: he clearly wasn't academically qualified for not even reading his CV,
44:25
Speaker 11: that he'd done thirty marathons, and other similar nonsense. You know,
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Speaker 11: it's a terrible end for a bright young black man,
44:33
Speaker 11: and it's partially the DEI idiots at Cambridge's fault.
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Speaker 2: I mean there's been you know, there have been questions
44:42
Speaker 2: over the media coverage of cost Cameron, because you know,
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Speaker 2: after these revelations, it ultimately did lead to his passing.
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Speaker 2: But there's also responsibility from the university here, of course.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if the university leadership had recognized the questions
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Speaker 2: that journalists were asking, I mean, it could have prevented
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Speaker 2: such a tragedy.
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Speaker 12: Well, that's right, And I was actually in the UK
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Speaker 12: when a lot of these stories were breaking, only a
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Speaker 12: couple of weeks ago as well in the news over there,
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Speaker 12: and I think the news was asking the rights of
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Speaker 12: questions because Cambridge University has a duty of care. They
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Speaker 12: have a duty of care to this young man, and
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Speaker 12: they ticked a box, They ticked their diversity box. They
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Speaker 12: put him out in front of the center and promoted
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Speaker 12: him as something great that the universey had found without
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Speaker 12: doing the dig diligies themselves or having a care for
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Speaker 12: his mental health and circumstances. Certainly, as those stories in
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Speaker 12: questions started to break, they put him out front of
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Speaker 12: the center. And that's the worst possible thing they could
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Speaker 12: have done. And it's an absolute tragedy to have lost
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Speaker 12: someone who might have been flawed but was truly talented,
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Speaker 12: and the university choke you to take full responsibility for
45:42
Speaker 12: what's happened.
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Speaker 2: I just want to end with this idea that Pauline
45:47
Speaker 2: Hanson has come out with on superinnuation.
45:49
Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: She's saying the housing crisis is so bad that people
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Speaker 2: should be able to access their super to pay their mortgage.
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Speaker 3: Have a look.
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Speaker 10: A lot of the strainers are doing it tough now,
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Speaker 10: struggling to pay their mortgages. In some ways, I feel
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Speaker 10: that you should give them their money now and let
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Speaker 10: them help them with the cost of living.
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Speaker 2: It is their money or treasure. Jim Chalmers has responded
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Speaker 2: to this.
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Speaker 13: Labor built the Australia's superannuation system and we will defend
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Speaker 13: it forever from the Liberals, Nationals and One Nation who
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Speaker 13: want to destroy it. If they win the next election,
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Speaker 13: it will be the end of compulsory super as we
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Speaker 13: know it and Australian workers will be worse off as
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Speaker 13: a consequence.
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Speaker 2: Y So another scare campaign coming there. But Michael, you know,
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Speaker 2: if the problem is not superannuation, right, the problem is
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Speaker 2: that there's a housing crunch because of the budget and
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Speaker 2: the economy so doesn't that need to be addressed instead
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Speaker 2: of allowing people to dip into their retirement savings.
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Speaker 11: I understand you Ken anyhow, share if it's if it's
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Speaker 11: an emergency, But it's the housing crisis that's the problem.
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Speaker 11: All of these young people who have lost their equity
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Speaker 11: in their home, who only had five percent to start
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Speaker 11: out with. But the problem is, for too long this
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Speaker 11: government has had unsustainably high levels of immigration of people
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Speaker 11: in all the categories you were talking about in a
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Speaker 11: previous segment, who we didn't even know were coming in.
47:18
Speaker 11: And that's the cause of the housing shortage. We've got
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Speaker 11: too many people and not enough houses being built. That's
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Speaker 11: the real issue.
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Speaker 3: You're right, what do you think, Cameron?
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Speaker 12: I think one nation's onto political winner here because trade
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Speaker 12: Union Super, which is basically basically what industry Super is now,
47:35
Speaker 12: it's trade union Super full of hacks from Labor Party,
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Speaker 12: failed former treasurers, fronting sea Bus and stuff like that. No,
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Speaker 12: I mean there's a huge problem. Super doesn't have any connection.
47:46
Speaker 12: Super doesn't have any connection to the people it takes
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Speaker 12: money from every single week, every single week now and
47:51
Speaker 12: if people look at their payback and say I could
47:52
Speaker 12: have twelve and a half percent more dollars.
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Speaker 3: In my pocket.
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Speaker 12: They're giving it to a super fund for forty five years.
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Speaker 1: They're there on a winner.
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Speaker 12: So that's what the problem is and the problem for
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Speaker 12: industry supers. I'll sit back and say the Labour Party
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Speaker 12: at defending us without realizing the only reason why they
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Speaker 12: are there is both sides of politics supported it's compulsory
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Speaker 12: supercquation and if only Labours supporting it and the Greens,
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Speaker 12: then Industry super as I say trading new super is
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Speaker 12: in for a hell of a problem because they haven't
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Speaker 12: done enough to connect.
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Speaker 3: To their members. All right, got to go, Michael Danby,
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Speaker 3: Canriy Mino.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you both, and after the break, the
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Speaker 2: latest on the allegations rocking a Sydney private school. That's next. Now,
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Speaker 2: just before we go, let's get the latest in the
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Speaker 2: Scott's College scandal, because there was a lot that happened
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Speaker 2: on the weekend. Now, three students from the prestigious college
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Speaker 2: were charged last week over the alleged sexual assault of
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Speaker 2: a teenage girl in an alleyway on July twenty two.
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Speaker 2: But now five boys age between thirteen and seventeen have
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Speaker 2: been arrested for allegedly throwing eggs at the home of
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Speaker 2: one of the students accused of sexual assault. Police will
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Speaker 2: call to a Dover Heights home on Saturday to find
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Speaker 2: the boys, one allegedly armed with a knife allegedly egging
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Speaker 2: the house. Four of the boys have been released without charge,
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Speaker 2: and one seventeen year old has been charged with breach
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Speaker 2: of bail and custody of a knife in public, and
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Speaker 2: he's due to appear before a children's court on Monday.
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Speaker 2: The Scott's College principal, doctor Ian Lambert, has emailed parents
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Speaker 2: about the incident. He said he's aware of concerning online
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Speaker 2: commentary within the wider community, and he's asked that young
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Speaker 2: people do not post threats, organize action, or otherwise involve themselves.
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Speaker 2: Very sad story. I'll see you tomorrow at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 2: Sit from me up next Poor Murray.