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EERIE DOOR-BANGING RIDDLE IN MURDERS OF DENTIST & WIFE @ HOME, TOT KIDS ASLEEP · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: The mystery deepens with an eerie door banging riddle? Is
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  Speaker 2: that connected to the murders of a young dentist and
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  Speaker 2: his wife in their own home? They're taught children asleep upstairs.
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  Speaker 2: It is not believed at this hour to be a
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  Speaker 2: murder suicide. No weapon was found on the scene, no
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  Speaker 2: forced entry. Who would murder a husband and wife in
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  Speaker 2: their own home around Christmas leaving their children They're tots
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  Speaker 2: upstairs to come down the next morning and find mommy
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  Speaker 2: and Daddy dead.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, see, Grace, this.
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  Speaker 2: Is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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  Speaker 2: with us.
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  Speaker 3: An Ohio couple known for loving life, making memories, and
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  Speaker 3: constantly laughing with their family and friends, a home once
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  Speaker 3: filled with joy becomes the scene of an early morning tragedy.
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  Speaker 2: What happened to a young dentist and his wife both
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  Speaker 2: found dead in their home? Joining me an all star panel?
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  Speaker 2: But what is really baffling? On top of that, another
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  Speaker 2: layer is this eerie door banging riddle that occurred before
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  Speaker 2: the murders at a neighbor's house. Now you've got to
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  Speaker 2: stick with these nine to one one calls, because everybody
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  Speaker 2: and their brother was calling nine one one about the
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  Speaker 2: dentist not showing up to work and the wife not
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  Speaker 2: picking up the phone.
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  Speaker 1: Police go to the scene but see nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, I guess I would like to ask for a
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  Speaker 4: wellness check on an individual at their home. This individual, Spener,
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  Speaker 4: works with me, and he did not show up to
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  Speaker 4: work this morning, and we cannot get a hold of
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  Speaker 4: him or his family. He is always on time when
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  Speaker 4: he would contact us that there is any issues whatsoever,
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  Speaker 4: and at the centeral house to say this like, we're very,
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  Speaker 4: very concerned because this is very out of character and
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  Speaker 4: we can't get dredged with his wife, which is probably
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  Speaker 4: the more concerning thing.
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  Speaker 5: When doctor Spencer Tempe doesn't show up for work at
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  Speaker 5: Athens Dental Depot in Columbus, Ohio, co workers are so
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  Speaker 5: shocked they call their boss, the owner of Athens Dental,
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  Speaker 5: doctor Mark Valrose. Valrose is on vacation in Florida, but
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  Speaker 5: Spencer not showing up is so unusual coworkers felt the
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  Speaker 5: need to let Valrose know. Valroz tries to contact Spencer
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  Speaker 5: and failing at that, Teppe's wife, Monique, as she's even
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  Speaker 5: more predictable than her husband, unable to reach either Tempee.
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  Speaker 5: Valrose calls nine to one one in Columbus, Ohio at
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  Speaker 5: nine oh three am, requesting a wellness check.
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  Speaker 2: So immediately the nine one one calls start pouring in
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  Speaker 2: where coworkers are asking for a welfare check. And let
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  Speaker 2: me tell you, I'm extremely put off by the nine
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  Speaker 2: to one one dispatcher. You're going to hear that in
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  Speaker 2: a moment.
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  Speaker 1: So the calls pouring in. Here's another one.
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  Speaker 6: Let's be margency there. Our boss did not report for work.
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  Speaker 6: We haven't been able to get a hold of them
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  Speaker 6: for three hours. We are on site and we can hear. Okay,
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  Speaker 6: I lot just somebody there, Okay, I'm just making sure
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  Speaker 6: somebody calls them.
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  Speaker 7: Hive at the Tepee residence at nine twenty two am,
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  Speaker 7: officers knock on the front door multiple times but get
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  Speaker 7: no response. Checking the door and windows, officers see no
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  Speaker 7: sign of disturbance. At the back door, officers again knock
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  Speaker 7: multiple times, no response, repeating the process. Officers failed to
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  Speaker 7: get a response and file the report in their log book.
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  Speaker 7: No response.
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  Speaker 2: Straight out to Tom Smith joining me formerr NYPD Detective
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  Speaker 2: thirty years Narcotics, Robbery, Gang, Homicide, Anti Terrorism Task Force
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  Speaker 2: now co star of the gold Shield podcast. What is
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  Speaker 2: wrong with the nine to one one operator? I mean
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  Speaker 2: that just stopped me in my tracks when I hear that.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's very disturbing because she's not taking it seriously.
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  Speaker 8: And you should take every call seriously, especially when you
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  Speaker 8: have numerous calls about the same thing from different people.
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  Speaker 8: That means they're on a lart and they're concerned, and
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  Speaker 8: she should show that and be getting the proper response
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  Speaker 8: to that location quickly and as she possibly can. And
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  Speaker 8: she seemed annoyed that she was getting more and more
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  Speaker 8: calls about this, which is a complete wrong thing to
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  Speaker 8: be doing in a situation like this.
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  Speaker 2: Nance, Yeah, you've got someone calling in upset. The woman
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  Speaker 2: sounds like she's on the verge of tears and dispatches, Well,
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  Speaker 2: just talk to somebody about that. Like, what's the woman
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do about that? I just find it very
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  Speaker 2: off putting. In reminds me of the dispatch officer who
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  Speaker 2: needs to be fired in the Coburger case.
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  Speaker 9: Listen to this, tell me exactly what's going on.
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  Speaker 10: One of our one of the roommates has passed out,
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  Speaker 10: and she's young class and short lay up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and they saw some man in their house.
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  Speaker 5: Use night.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, are you with the patient?
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  Speaker 12: Okay?
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  Speaker 7: I need someone to keep the phone, stop passing.
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  Speaker 13: It around, and I just tell you what happened very much.
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  Speaker 11: What is going on currently as someone passed out right now?
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  Speaker 6: I don't really know what pretty much at Thorian?
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  Speaker 13: Okay, well, I need.
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  Speaker 14: To know what's going on right now.
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  Speaker 15: If someone has passed out, can you.
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  Speaker 12: Find that out?
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  Speaker 2: She cut off Dylan Mortenson. No, they're not passed out, woman,
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  Speaker 2: They're all dead. Brian Coburger murdered them. And that's just
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  Speaker 2: a tip of the iceberg with that dispatch officer right
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  Speaker 2: there that we were just playing in the Coburger case.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard it over and over and over again. But
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  Speaker 2: that's a whole another can of worms. Okay, So all
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  Speaker 2: these nine one one calls are coming in. The dentist
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  Speaker 2: hasn't shown up. The dentist hasn't shown up. Why are
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  Speaker 2: they that upset about a teeth cleaning or a cavity
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  Speaker 2: being filled? Let's listen to more.
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  Speaker 5: A coworker of Spencer goes to the Teppie residence and
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  Speaker 5: calls nine to one one, explaining Teppy is or bos
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  Speaker 5: and they haven't been able to get a hold of him.
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  Speaker 5: The caller tries to tell dispatch they can hear kids inside,
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  Speaker 5: but the dispatcher talks over the caller, telling her I
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  Speaker 5: just talked to somebody there. The distract coworker apologizes, saying
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  Speaker 5: she was just making sure someone called.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, we do have officers responding there. Do you know
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  Speaker 6: if he's been ill or anything like that.
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  Speaker 10: No, no, I was just yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Guys.
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  Speaker 1: It gets worse.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't even gotten to the two dead bodies and
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  Speaker 2: the children screaming because the nine to one one dispatch
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  Speaker 2: is not taking this seriously with all these calls coming in.
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  Speaker 2: Keep listening.
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  Speaker 6: Let's the emergency there, Please are medical.
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  Speaker 10: Maybe both. I guess I don't know. I'm kind of
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  Speaker 10: doing the worry.
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  Speaker 6: We had a call out there. They knocked on the
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  Speaker 6: front door and back door he multiple times and there
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  Speaker 6: was no answer.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, no answer. I can hear kids inside, and I
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  Speaker 10: swear I think I heard one yell, but we can't
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  Speaker 10: get in.
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  Speaker 3: What if Spencer's friends goes to the Teppie home and
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  Speaker 3: calls nine at nine fifty seven am. Dispatch tell the
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  Speaker 3: friend officers have already been to the location and knocked
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  Speaker 3: on doors and got no answer. The friend says, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: no answer. I can hear kids inside, and I think
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  Speaker 3: I heard one yell explaining how he hasn't been able
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  Speaker 3: to get inside the house.
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  Speaker 2: Straight out to investigative reporter, journalist, author of Down the Hill,
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  Speaker 2: My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi. You know
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  Speaker 2: her well, Susan Hendrick. Susan, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not sure. I'm just playing a selection of
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  Speaker 2: nine one one calls to dispatch. Who's getting more and
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  Speaker 2: more pod that's a Latin phrase from law school, and
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  Speaker 2: they're like, we sent somebody, they and they left.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody answered.
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  Speaker 2: But then you've got neighbors and co workers now all
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  Speaker 2: walking around the house and they hear a child screaming inside,
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  Speaker 2: and the dispatch officer just really was just too busy
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  Speaker 2: doing her nails.
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  Speaker 14: Absolutely, Nancy. You could hear it in her voice.
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  Speaker 16: And her pause is even I was listening to all
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  Speaker 16: the nine one one calls and she's thinking he's just
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  Speaker 16: late for work.
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  Speaker 14: She has a.
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  Speaker 16: Preconceived notion about what's going on here. But the first
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  Speaker 16: call is what is a bit odd to me. It
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  Speaker 16: came in around eight fifty eight. The office opens at
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  Speaker 16: eight a m. Spencer lives about seventy three miles from work,
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  Speaker 16: So if you put the timeline together, he's what less
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  Speaker 16: than an hour late to work and someone's calling nine
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  Speaker 16: one one for a wellness check.
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  Speaker 14: To me, that stands out. It truly does.
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  Speaker 10: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Susan Hendricks,
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  Speaker 2: it would be like me going to court. Yeah, court
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  Speaker 2: starts at nine o'clock, but I've got to get together
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty brand new files for arrangment, plea deals,
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  Speaker 2: you name it, have everything ready before I walk in
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  Speaker 2: that courtroom. So I would expect him to just run
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  Speaker 2: in the door wearing a cape and having a drill
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  Speaker 2: in his hand. I would imagine that that is based
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  Speaker 2: on him typically getting there before the first appointment. What
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  Speaker 2: do you think about that?
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  Speaker 14: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 16: But during that first call, it's the boss in Florida.
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  Speaker 16: Why didn't he think, I don't know, maybe it's a
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  Speaker 16: car accident, the roads were icy. He just went straight
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  Speaker 16: to wellness check because the nine to one one officer said,
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  Speaker 16: have you heard about anything about an accident? Is there
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  Speaker 16: any sort of illness here? Again an attitude with the
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  Speaker 16: nine to one one operator. No, doubt, but also strange
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  Speaker 16: to me. And that's based on my experiences. If my
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  Speaker 16: sister called and said, you're not here. We called for
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  Speaker 16: a wellness check.
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  Speaker 14: I'd say, well calling around to friends.
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  Speaker 16: Instead of the accident. He didn't say, ooh, maybe he
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  Speaker 16: did get in a car accident. And he also mentioned
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  Speaker 16: the wife. He found it quote unquote even.
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  Speaker 14: More strange that she wasn't answering.
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  Speaker 16: Something seems off to me. Maybe not, but obviously it's
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  Speaker 16: something you're looking into.
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  Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. But I'm wondering if he
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  Speaker 2: tried the mail victim and the dentist on the phone,
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  Speaker 2: no answer, he's let's just say, an hour late. If
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  Speaker 2: he gets their early and has coffee and gets ready
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  Speaker 2: for the first appointment, and I'm guessing the mom would
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  Speaker 2: typically have been at home with the children in this scenario. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. And it cannot be discounted.
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  Speaker 2: It can't. Right now, my mind is stuck on the
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  Speaker 2: neighbors and the coworkers walking all they finally go to
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  Speaker 2: the home. Now, remember Dispatch, while she's doing her nails,
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  Speaker 2: has just said we send somebody out there. They knocked
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  Speaker 2: on the door, nothing happened. Okay, listen to this.
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  Speaker 7: Another friend calls nine to one one and tells the
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  Speaker 7: dispatcher they haven't been able to get into the house
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  Speaker 7: and he thought he heard one of the children yelling.
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  Speaker 7: Other friends arrive at the Teppee home, as well as
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  Speaker 7: coworkers who are walking around the house, some in the front,
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  Speaker 7: some in the back. Nine one one dispatch is receiving
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  Speaker 7: calls back to back from the same address, each trying
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  Speaker 7: to get help for their friends, not knowing others. We're
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  Speaker 7: called at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: So when the calls are made, you hear a dispatch again,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, still doing her nails.
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  Speaker 1: State we send somebody.
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  Speaker 2: They not There was no answer, there's nothing to see.
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  Speaker 2: And then another call comes in.
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  Speaker 6: Listen, what's changed the last person I talked?
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  Speaker 13: Here?
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  Speaker 10: There's a body.
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  Speaker 13: There's a body.
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  Speaker 6: Here's a body inside. Yeah, okay, hold on one second,
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  Speaker 6: let me get you on the line with the medic. Okay,
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  Speaker 6: on the line appears.
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  Speaker 2: So now the dispatch operator that was too busy doing
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  Speaker 2: her nail says, hello, what's changed since the last time?
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  Speaker 1: Somebody called?
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  Speaker 2: That is so discourteous, and the guy says, uh, there's
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  Speaker 2: a body Let's let's hear that one more time. Place.
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  Speaker 6: What's changed the last person I talked here?
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  Speaker 10: There's a body, there's a here's.
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  Speaker 6: A body inside. Yeah, okay, hold on one second. Let
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  Speaker 6: me get you on the line with the medic. Okay,
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  Speaker 6: on the line, appears dead.
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  Speaker 2: There's a body inside. Wow, talk about egg on her face.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hear the rest of that.
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  Speaker 2: Nine one one.
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  Speaker 13: There's a body. Our friend wasn't in trance phone. We
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  Speaker 13: just did a well of ship. We just came here
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  Speaker 13: and he appears dead. Okay, his blood, she's laying next
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  Speaker 13: to his head, off of his better than there's blood.
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  Speaker 13: I think people loser too more than that.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, he can tell.
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  Speaker 10: He's obviously not for you. Ornything. Is it like how
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  Speaker 10: to like like how to you? Because it does? He
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  Speaker 10: looks like.
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  Speaker 13: I can't, I can't look Okay.
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  Speaker 10: All right, I understand.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. This patch just quietly goes away. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: just thinking about what these friends and coworkers go through
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  Speaker 2: after they discover a body. I don't know about you,
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  Speaker 2: Tom Smith, but I remember the first time I went
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  Speaker 2: to a homicide scene. For some reason, it does not
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  Speaker 2: affect me, but I've seen rookie cops actually vomit the
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  Speaker 2: first time they go to a scene and here's a civilian.
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  Speaker 2: They've been calling and calling and calling, trying to get help,
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  Speaker 2: getting poo pooed by dispatch until she asked, well, what's
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  Speaker 2: different this time, yo, And then guy says there's a
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  Speaker 2: dead body. My friend is dead, and then she quietly
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  Speaker 2: just disappears off the call. That's a shock. That is
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  Speaker 2: a shock to see a dead body for the first
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  Speaker 2: time to many people, much less someone you work with. Oh.
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely, it's as traumatic as you can get, especially when
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  Speaker 8: they're already stressed out about what might be going on
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  Speaker 8: with these two. Now you add on actually finding you know,
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  Speaker 8: him initially and him being dead. Not only it is
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  Speaker 8: a traumatic scene to see a dead body, but like
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  Speaker 8: you said, Nancy, it is their friend that they were
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  Speaker 8: worried about. So while they're just nightmares just came true.
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  Speaker 8: In one instance.
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  Speaker 2: Two Doctor Priya Banerjee joining US special guest Board certified
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  Speaker 2: forensic Pathologist and atomic Pathologist at Anchor Forensic Pathology Consulting.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Priya, thank you for being with us. Why does
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  Speaker 2: the medic ask a civilian friend?
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  Speaker 1: Is it like puddles?
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  Speaker 2: You know? Does he look like, why is he asking
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  Speaker 2: a civilian that?
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  Speaker 17: I think just to try to get some sense of
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  Speaker 17: what's going on. You know, it's such a shock, and
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  Speaker 17: I just want to address your point. You and I
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  Speaker 17: have both seen deceased people, but when you are a
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  Speaker 17: lay person and then it's your friend, I think it's
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  Speaker 17: abo want to say, Oh, what's different now? I mean,
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  Speaker 17: that's just shocking, and I think from a first responder perspective,
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  Speaker 17: it's just trying to assess the situation, like, you know,
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  Speaker 17: is he breathing, is it how much blood is there?
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  Speaker 17: How much you know, how long have they been dead? Basically,
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  Speaker 17: how much blood is it clotted? I think, anything to
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  Speaker 17: give them some information.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us now. Derek Smith veteran criminal defense attorney. You
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  Speaker 2: can find him at Dwsmith Legal dot com. Derek, I
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  Speaker 2: have found that playing a nine one one call is
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  Speaker 2: more probative, more convincing than any argument a prosecutor or
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  Speaker 2: a defense attorney can make. Of course, now I don't
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  Speaker 2: know why we're even talking about a jury. We don't
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  Speaker 2: even have the idea of the purp. Although I'm about
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  Speaker 2: to show you video of a male figure walking in
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  Speaker 2: the area at that time and then there's that eerie
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  Speaker 2: door banging mystery. What do you make of the nine
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  Speaker 2: one call? How hard is it to get that into evidence?
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  Speaker 18: Well, nine one one calls are typical in the majority
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  Speaker 18: of you know, defense cases. Unless it's a traffic stop,
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  Speaker 18: Generally there's an emergency situation of victims calling out for
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  Speaker 18: help or a bystander or witness, and it's very important
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  Speaker 18: to the defense of a client, especially a client that
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  Speaker 18: has not done anything. You can get a lot of
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  Speaker 18: value out of a nine to one one call. Those
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  Speaker 18: are people in the moment, an emergency is either ongoing
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  Speaker 18: or has just happened, a crime has just occurred. What
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  Speaker 18: they're saying is, in evidentiary terms, is an excited utterance.
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  Speaker 18: So in evidentiary terms, those are allowed into evidence because
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  Speaker 18: it's it's something that's happening right right now in the
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  Speaker 18: heat of the moment, and we get that into evidence
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  Speaker 18: to either prove or disprove any kind of an allegation.
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  Speaker 18: And in this situation there's multiple nine one one calls.
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  Speaker 18: There's a lot of probitive value in these calls.
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  Speaker 2: Nancy, Guys, we're showing you video of the wedding of
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  Speaker 2: the two victims they were just about to celebrate their
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  Speaker 2: five year anniversary. Listen.
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  Speaker 5: At ten eleven am, police officers are back at the
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  Speaker 5: tapper securing the crime scene. Two adult victims suffering apparent
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  Speaker 5: gunshot wounds are located and medic personnel pronounced Spencer and
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  Speaker 5: Monique Teppe dead minutes after arriving on scene. Three bullet
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  Speaker 5: casings are found, but no gun is immediately located. The
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  Speaker 5: couple has two children, ages four and one, who are
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  Speaker 5: found unharmed.
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  Speaker 2: That video is from robt Mislaw on YouTube. Straightened back
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  Speaker 2: out to Susan Hendricks, investigative reporter and author. Tell me
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  Speaker 2: about the wounds to the bodies. It's gonna tell me
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  Speaker 2: a lot, Nancy.
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  Speaker 16: The murder weapon was a gun. Spencer was shot twice,
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  Speaker 16: Monique once. Does that mean that Spencer was the target.
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  Speaker 16: I'm sure investigators are looking into that was someone after Spencer?
• 17:44
  Speaker 16: Was anyone in his life angry at him?
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: And why?
• 17:47
  Speaker 14: Those are the key questions.
• 17:49
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I need to know more, though, Susan Hendricks, And you're right.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Normally the victim with the most gunshot wounds is the victim.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Although Tom Smith, a veteran NYPD now star up Goalshields podcast, Tom,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: it could have been equally likely a scenario of they
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: shoot her, she's the target, and then he comes running
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: in and they shoot him twice because he's the bigger threat.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I need to know where the bodies are, and I
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: need to know is it point blank? Is it at
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: a distance? But the casings were found on the scene,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I believe three cases. What does that tell you, Tom?
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: No weapon, And that's why they're saying it's not a
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: murder suicide because how can you shoot the spouse and
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: shoot yourself and the weapon walk out the front door,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: So it's not murder suicide. What do you make of
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the casings?
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the casings are interesting because I don't think you know,
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: it's been speculated a couple of times that it's a
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: professional hit. A professional is going to take the casings
• 18:49
  Speaker 8: with him. The fact that they're left there is just
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: someone who did what they wanted to do. And I
• 18:55
  Speaker 8: do believe this was a targeted hit and then just
• 18:58
  Speaker 8: got out of there when they could and didn't weren't
• 19:02
  Speaker 8: concerned about the casings. But the casings are so vitally
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: important in this because of the DNA evidence you from it.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Now when you say DNA evidence, Explain to everyone how
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: we can get DNA off of a casing.
• 19:17
  Speaker 8: Well, because in order to load a nine millimeter you
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: need to push down on that round to put it
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: into a magazine. So unless you're you're a real you know,
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: pro looking at this wearing latex gloves and you just
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: do it by hand, you could leave a fingerprint, a
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: very viable fingerprint on those casings while you're loading the weapon.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Joining me right now is a military vet sharp shooter
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: CoA Lorimaru. CoA. Thanks for being with us very quickly.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I want to follow up on what Tom Smith just said.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Explain to me how show.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Me how DNA can be left on a casing when
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: loading a gun, preferably a nine but any gun.
• 20:00
  Speaker 15: Well, Nancy, this right here is a nine millimeters round.
• 20:04
  Speaker 19: The top part is the bullet and the back part
• 20:07
  Speaker 19: is the casing. Now, you can get DNA off this
• 20:11
  Speaker 19: casing by fingerprints and sweat and whatever else they have
• 20:15
  Speaker 19: on their hands when loading the weapon.
• 20:18
  Speaker 15: So this is how you load magazine right here.
• 20:21
  Speaker 19: And also there are certain marks that are left on
• 20:26
  Speaker 19: the casing after the round is fired.
• 20:28
  Speaker 15: Now, this is a pistol, a pistol that this round
• 20:33
  Speaker 15: can be fired from.
• 20:34
  Speaker 19: The bullet go is out the front and the casing
• 20:36
  Speaker 19: is ejected out of the side. Now, the firing pin
• 20:40
  Speaker 19: leaves a mark on the back of the casing which
• 20:43
  Speaker 19: is unique to the weapon. Then the extractor leaves scratches
• 20:48
  Speaker 19: on the casing, which is also unique to the weapon,
• 20:51
  Speaker 19: and the ejector leaves dense on the casing. Now, all
• 20:54
  Speaker 19: these marks can be traced straight back to the weapon
• 20:59
  Speaker 19: it's fired from, and that could link the suspect to
• 21:03
  Speaker 19: the gun. You can also link the suspect to the
• 21:09
  Speaker 19: casing based on the fingerprints they get off the casing itself.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, I see what you're saying, Tom, Thank you. CoA
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace back to this scenario. Also
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: to doctor Joni Johnston joining US forensics psychologist private investigator.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: She performs threat and risk assessments on violent offenders and
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: she's the author of Serial Killers one hundred and one
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: questions True Crime Fans ask plus more, Doctor Joni, I
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: heard Susan Hendricks, and she may be right. Hypothesize that
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: the mail the dentist was the target because he had
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: more guns show gunshot wounds. What do you make of that?
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: I would agree with what Susan said. I mean, obviously
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: we don't know many facts about this case, but certainly
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: the different level of violence I was inflicted upon the
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: why versus the dentist, I think it's probably the most
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: likely possibility at this point.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Guys two children in the home, which leads me to
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: who who would shoot these two dead? It doesn't sound
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: like a pro to me. In the home in a
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: very congested neighborhood, the houses are like this, up and down,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: like two and three story, not wide but tall, and
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: they're one after one after one after one after the next.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: So there's got to be ring doorbell cam. And I'm
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: going to show you the video of who may be
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: the perp. But listen to this.
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: As investigators begin this search for a killer, they first
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: discovered there are no signs of forced entry, no weapon
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: is recovered. Building a timeline of activity, they believe the
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: murders happened between two am and five am. With this information,
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: law enforcement releases surveillance footage taken during the hours in question,
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: showing a person wearing light colored pants and a dark
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: hoodie pulled over their head.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Spencer and Monique Teppe are just days away from celebrating
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: their fifth wedding anniversary when violence erupts inside the Columbus,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Ohio home, their children just feet away in the other room.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier an eerie door banging incident. A real
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: riddle is that the killer banging on a neighbor's door
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: before the murders. But first I want to show you
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: the video that we have obtained. This could be the killer.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Susan Hendrix described, what are we seeing here? Why is
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: this significant?
• 23:56
  Speaker 16: I have to say, Nancy that what appears to be
• 24:00
  Speaker 16: a back alley of sorts, and this is at of course,
• 24:03
  Speaker 16: at odd.
• 24:04
  Speaker 14: Time two to five am. So is that the killer?
• 24:08
  Speaker 16: And I thought that to Delphi when I heard people
• 24:10
  Speaker 16: asking do you know that gate?
• 24:11
  Speaker 14: Do you know that walk? And appears he.
• 24:13
  Speaker 16: Knows the area because you see him kind of ducking
• 24:15
  Speaker 16: or maybe knowing there's a camera in the vicinity.
• 24:18
  Speaker 14: Is that the guy? If it is, it looks like
• 24:20
  Speaker 14: he knows where he's going.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Guys, you just heard Susan Hendricks bring up the Delphi
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: double murders of Libby and Abbey, kidnapped off a trestle
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: bridge and a little known area. You'd have to be
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: a local to know it. It was a big walking
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: area for locals, densely forested, and he the killer, Richard
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Allen is caught on cam by one of the two
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: little girls walking toward them and you actually hear him
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: on video saying down the hill, down the hill. His
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: gate was identifiable. He was identifiable to me. But there's
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: also another case, the Missy Beaver's murder case, which is
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: still unsolved. She was at the Midlothian church. Look at
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: her killer. I fully believe it's her killer. A very
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: odd gate slew footed in the left foot, left foot
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: slew footed and when you slow it down you can
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: see it even more, very unusual gate. Could the killer
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: be identified by the gate? Let's go back to the
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: case in chief, the dentist and his wife gunned down
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: children upstairs. Let's look at the guy again. Dave mac
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: joining me, Crime Stories, investigative reporter. Let's talk about the video.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Susan's already told us it was between two and five am.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: And how does that jibe with the time we believe
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the killings went.
• 25:51
  Speaker 20: Down based on the timeline that police have already created, Nancy,
• 25:56
  Speaker 20: they say that they're talking about two am to five
• 25:59
  Speaker 20: a as the time.
• 26:01
  Speaker 21: That this action took place inside the home, and that
• 26:04
  Speaker 21: timetable we're looking at for the guy walking in the
• 26:07
  Speaker 21: alley is during that time period.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I'm curious about the neighborhood. I don't see anybody else
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: walking around between two and five am. See the person walking.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: It looks like people part their cars as you like
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: you pull in in front of the house. See on
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: both sides of the street. I see cars parked in
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: front of the homes, like where you put your trash
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: out right there on the street. They look to be
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: condos or two three story narrow homes. So why is
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: he walking up and down in a residential area at
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: five o'clock two o'clock am, Susan, what can you tell
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: me about the neighborhood.
• 26:54
  Speaker 16: I do know that there's only one bar in the
• 26:57
  Speaker 16: area that's open, because Spencer's in law came out to say, like, hey,
• 27:01
  Speaker 16: let's not jump to any conclusions. Maybe it is the
• 27:03
  Speaker 16: murder or maybe it's not. And there is just.
• 27:06
  Speaker 14: One bar that's open at that time. So was he there.
• 27:10
  Speaker 16: I'm sure the investigators are going there to decide. It
• 27:13
  Speaker 16: just seems odd, right, This screed looks very different. By
• 27:15
  Speaker 16: the way Nancy as you stated, during the day during
• 27:17
  Speaker 16: normal hours.
• 27:18
  Speaker 14: It appears he knew this this route, knew what to do,
• 27:21
  Speaker 14: and planned it.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, so this is a residential area. Who
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: is this guy walking up and down right near the home.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: It's obviously caught on ring cam. Looks to me like,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: that's what that is, Dave, Matt, what can you tell me?
• 27:39
  Speaker 21: Actually, Ansy the nest video is captured behind the home.
• 27:44
  Speaker 21: There's an alley. You mentioned how these homes are very
• 27:47
  Speaker 21: close together and going straight up right, Well, this is
• 27:50
  Speaker 21: actually behind the home. It's in an alleyway. And to
• 27:54
  Speaker 21: what Miss Hendricks just said a minute ago, somebody walking
• 27:56
  Speaker 21: down that alley between two am and five am is
• 28:00
  Speaker 21: it's going to be very familiar with the neighborhood to
• 28:02
  Speaker 21: know where they are and where they're going in that alleyway.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: That neighborhood video from WSYX ABC six. I'm so glad
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: you told me that, Dave mac I was trying to
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: orient what am I saying because it doesn't look like
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the daytime street view. And I lived on an alley
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: like that in midtown Atlanta while I was a prosecutor.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I never went in on the street side. I would
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: always go in on the alley side, and you'd have
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: to know that Ali was there. So let me look
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: at that video one more time. To Thomas Smith joining me,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: former NYPD now starve goalshialds. What can you glean from this?
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Na, there's a couple of things that are very
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: telling in this video. One, I truly believe he knows
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: the area. And here's why. If you look at the
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: last frame of this video, he intentionally gets spooked by
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: something and makes a dr change in his walk. He
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: covers his face even more and kind of leans away
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: towards the camera. So either one of two things happened
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: at that moment. Either he realizes there's a camera in
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: that area and who would know that but someone familiar
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: with that area, or there's someone walking near him that
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: spooks him and he covers himself up a little more.
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: So what investigators need to do is timestamp that video
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: and put it out to the public to see if
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: anyone else was in that area during that time.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And notice this, right Derek Smith joining me veteran try
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: a lawyer, defense attorney. Derek, it does look like he's
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: trying to hide his face, much like Richard Allen did
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: with the hoodie on. But you hunk Cross exam with
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: this would have a field day. Why, according to you,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: does it prove nothing.
• 29:57
  Speaker 18: Because all we have is a video of a person
• 29:59
  Speaker 18: walked in a public area. You know, he like the
• 30:04
  Speaker 18: former I'm sorry, the prosecutor said earlier. The investigator. He
• 30:08
  Speaker 18: may know where things are because he's looking down, or
• 30:10
  Speaker 18: he's just maybe coming from that local bar. He's just
• 30:14
  Speaker 18: maybe got a little bit of a headache, a little
• 30:15
  Speaker 18: bit of a buzz, maybe he's tired. We're all jumping
• 30:17
  Speaker 18: to conclusions here on this one video, and we could
• 30:20
  Speaker 18: be just grasping its straws because I understand you have
• 30:23
  Speaker 18: to have every little piece of evidence to move the
• 30:26
  Speaker 18: investigation forward. But now we have this person who could
• 30:29
  Speaker 18: be mining their own business. Now they're going to be
• 30:31
  Speaker 18: harassed by media and law enforcement over something like this.
• 30:34
  Speaker 14: All right, come on.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: He actually wins cases like that, guys.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Police find the couple shot on the second floor of
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: the home. The children are physically unharmed, but Spencer Monique
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Teppe suffer multiple gunshot wounds. Both are pronounced dead, turning
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: into a double homicide investigation.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Tonight, new evidence of an airy door banging riddle near
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: the same of the murder. How can that help me
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: prove who committed the murder? First of all, let's hear
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: that nine will one call?
• 31:07
  Speaker 12: That's the emergency? Okay, someone's singing and knocking? Do you
• 31:19
  Speaker 12: know who this is? Do you have a description of them?
• 31:29
  Speaker 12: Have you told them? If you have, you asked them
• 31:31
  Speaker 12: what they want or if they need something? Okay, what's
• 31:39
  Speaker 12: your name? I'm sorry to see it again? Yeah, did
• 31:48
  Speaker 12: your phone number?
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: And then.
• 31:51
  Speaker 12: Yeah, okay, all right, I've got to sent up for
• 31:54
  Speaker 12: someone banging and knocking on the door. If anything else
• 31:57
  Speaker 12: places or changes, give us call back and let us know.
• 31:58
  Speaker 12: We'll get opposited there soon to you can't.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Does it never end with these dispatch officers? What does
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: she want the victim to do? Go out and say, hi,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: come on in, by the way, what's your name? And
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: can I get a good id on you? Right now?
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Completely completely not helpful. Let's take a listen to what
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: she said, very carefully. The woman says, they're smashing on
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: my door. I think they're trying to get in. They're
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: banging on my doors doors, more than one door, So
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: to you, Susan Hendrick's investigative reporter. What does that tell
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: you they're going from door to door trying to get in.
• 32:47
  Speaker 14: I have so many questions about these nine to one
• 32:49
  Speaker 14: one calls.
• 32:49
  Speaker 16: Was that commonplace? Does that play into the attitude? No
• 32:53
  Speaker 16: excuse though on that? But is it connected at all?
• 32:57
  Speaker 16: Did the person who was banging on the door? I
• 33:00
  Speaker 16: think it was Spencer's house. We don't know right now.
• 33:03
  Speaker 16: You can explain away a lot of things. Can you
• 33:05
  Speaker 16: explain every single way? So the banging on the door
• 33:09
  Speaker 16: is concerning for me, Nancy. It's in that area and
• 33:12
  Speaker 16: it happened just eleven days before the murders.
• 33:15
  Speaker 14: To me, that is frightening. But how many nine more
• 33:18
  Speaker 14: more calls come in of that?
• 33:20
  Speaker 16: If someone trying to break an enter? She said she
• 33:23
  Speaker 16: didn't know the person. To me, it feels like, how
• 33:26
  Speaker 16: could it not be connected?
• 33:27
  Speaker 14: But maybe it's not.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Well. Also, it's several eleven days before the dentist and
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: his wife are murdered. It's right down the street from
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: the murder, saying. And also it's around two thirty a m.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: So the comparisons are starting to add up. Two things coincident,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: three things. Uh, there's a pattern, Tom Smith, You've got
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: the same neighborhood, just a few houses down. You've got
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: a little over a week ahead of time. You've got
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: someone going to a female victim's home trying to get
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: into multiple doors, and it's around the same time frame,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: between two and five am.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: That could be prob but of what can it tell me?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Does that mean that the killer is random just trying
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: to get into doors or is it nothing?
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: But the problem, Nancy is we'll never know because why
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: was it a car or an officer dispatched to that
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: job to identify that person, to find out who they are,
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: why they're there? Why you banging on this door? And
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: might have prevented if it is the same person and
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: it is length prevented a double homicide. I don't understand
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: why the dispatcher just blew it off and said, well,
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: if they come back, call me again. Well by that time,
• 34:49
  Speaker 8: first of all, it could be too late and she
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: can be dead. So I don't understand the whole dispatcher
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: world in that area of just blowing these nine one
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: one calls off the way they did.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Straight back to Derek Smith. That are in trial lawyers.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: So Derek Smith, you've heard the caller dialing nine one one.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I guess you don't think there's any connection between the
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: airy door banging riddle and the murders.
• 35:17
  Speaker 18: Oh so you're telling me some people come to this
• 35:20
  Speaker 18: house unexpectedly, there's nine one one calls, and now we
• 35:23
  Speaker 18: have a noise next door, and we're going to think
• 35:26
  Speaker 18: that's somehow related to the actual murder that took place.
• 35:29
  Speaker 18: Do we even have any idea when the murder took place?
• 35:32
  Speaker 18: We're talking about a flood of calls that we heard
• 35:35
  Speaker 18: from the nine to one one dispatch, because hey, you
• 35:37
  Speaker 18: know people have already called on this. Then we have
• 35:39
  Speaker 18: people actually going to the residence. Well, of course neighbors
• 35:42
  Speaker 18: are going to look out and say, why are all
• 35:43
  Speaker 18: these people here? This is a regular morning. What's going on?
• 35:45
  Speaker 18: And you somehow think there's a connection between that and
• 35:47
  Speaker 18: the murder? Yeah, I'm sorry, that's a stretch there, Nancy.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, Derek, I see where you're coming from, but I
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: can't rule it out as being connected yet. Let's take
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: another Listen to it.
• 35:59
  Speaker 12: It's the emergency.
• 36:01
  Speaker 11: Asking doors.
• 36:06
  Speaker 12: You'll bring you Okay, someone's saying and knock in? Do
• 36:10
  Speaker 12: you know who this is?
• 36:12
  Speaker 8: No?
• 36:14
  Speaker 12: Do you have a description of them? Have you told
• 36:21
  Speaker 12: them if you have, you asked them what they want
• 36:23
  Speaker 12: or if they need something. Okay, what's your name? I'm
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: sorry to say it again. Yeah, there's your phone number?
• 36:40
  Speaker 10: And then.
• 36:42
  Speaker 12: Yeah, okay, all right, I've got to sent up for
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: someone banging and knocking on the door. If anything else
• 36:48
  Speaker 12: placed or changes, give us call back and let us out.
• 36:50
  Speaker 12: We'll get opposited there as soon as we can.
• 36:54
  Speaker 10: Sorry.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Columbus police respond to a domestic dispute called the Tappy
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Residence a few months prior. Officers later report the couple
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: tells them no physical violence occurred and that police assistance
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: is no longer needed.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Much has been made about a prior we think domestic call.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: What does that mean? That means typically a man and
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: a woman are arguing within a residence and it's coming
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: to blows. Is it connected, It's from this home, it's
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: from the home of the victims. Let's listen to it.
• 37:31
  Speaker 10: Hello, Hey, there's name one one. We just got to
• 37:35
  Speaker 10: hang up call. Is everything okay?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm okay, ay, sure, yeah, yeah, I'm okay. Sorry.
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  Speaker 10: Well, it sounds like you're crying. Do you need police,
• 37:48
  Speaker 10: paramedics or anything?
• 37:50
  Speaker 11: No, no, no, I'm okay, I'm just emotional. Okay.
• 37:57
  Speaker 10: Can I ask what had you call a name one
• 37:58
  Speaker 10: in the first place? You having an argument with somebody?
• 38:01
  Speaker 10: I'm okay, did anything ever get physical?
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  Speaker 7: No?
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  Speaker 10: You guys are just arguing. Nobody hit each other. All right, man, Well,
• 38:16
  Speaker 10: I have the information here, I can go ahead and
• 38:18
  Speaker 10: tell the officers to cancel hit anybody your address therefore? Yes, okay, sorry.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Finally a nine to one one dispatch officer. That sounds
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  Speaker 2: interested and like they care about what happens. Now, Susan Hendrix.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: There has been some discussion that that is not the
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: murder of victim Monique absolutely.
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  Speaker 16: Spencer's brother in law, married to Spencer's sister, came out
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  Speaker 16: right away and said, if you know Monique, you know
• 38:51
  Speaker 16: it's not her voice. They'd like to have parties people over,
• 38:54
  Speaker 16: and it was apparently, he said, a woman who was
• 38:56
  Speaker 16: at that party made the call.
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  Speaker 14: I believe he said right outside of that home.
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  Speaker 16: But that it wasn't Monique and it had nothing to
• 39:04
  Speaker 16: do with them, and that they had a great marriage.
• 39:06
  Speaker 16: So saying that that had nothing to do with.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Them, what could be the motive? Is there a person
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: of interest? Is this domestic relations call connected. Let's hear
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: the call one more time.
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  Speaker 10: Please, Can I ask what had you call a name
• 39:21
  Speaker 10: on one in the first place?
• 39:23
  Speaker 11: You have an argument with some but I'm okay, I promise.
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  Speaker 10: Did anything ever get physical? No, you guys are just arguing.
• 39:33
  Speaker 10: Nobody hit each other. Okay, all right, man, Well I
• 39:39
  Speaker 10: have the information here, I can go ahead and tell
• 39:41
  Speaker 10: the officers the council hit anybody your address there us back?
• 39:47
  Speaker 11: Okay, I'm sorry.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: And we have an ear witness insisting that is not
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: the murder victim Monique calling about admrel domestic relations n
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I'm on one call, okay to you try a lawyer
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Derek Smith joining us.
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  Speaker 7: What of it?
• 40:20
  Speaker 18: So you're telling me that there was a call for
• 40:23
  Speaker 18: domestic violence prior to this murder and nobody showed up
• 40:26
  Speaker 18: to investigate that. I mean a couple's getting arguments. I mean,
• 40:30
  Speaker 18: no marriage is perfect, and if it is, then good
• 40:32
  Speaker 18: for them. But yeah, sometimes he arguments happen, maybe a
• 40:36
  Speaker 18: phone call or two to the police out of fear,
• 40:38
  Speaker 18: out of necessity. But why has there been no follow up?
• 40:40
  Speaker 18: How come there's no police reports about this? If they
• 40:42
  Speaker 18: actually came to the house and investigated this call. Well,
• 40:45
  Speaker 18: we're gonna have testimony from the alleged perpetrator in the
• 40:48
  Speaker 18: alleged victim about what happened and why police were called.
• 40:51
  Speaker 18: Is that even here or again, is it just a
• 40:53
  Speaker 18: phone call because maybe there was some confusion, maybe something
• 40:56
  Speaker 18: was going on, maybe the victim was setting somebody up. No,
• 41:00
  Speaker 18: we're still in the very early parts of this, Nancy.
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  Speaker 18: Just because there's domestic violence, we're going to point out
• 41:05
  Speaker 18: a murder suicide or possibly point the finger at one
• 41:08
  Speaker 18: of these two victims. Again, come on, what are we
• 41:11
  Speaker 18: doing here?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I would really blast you on
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: everything you just said, except for the over arching fact
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: that this was not a murder suicide. So whether there
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: had or had not been domestic violence in the past,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: it's irrelevant as to the murder because neither one of
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: them did it. See so maybe there was, maybe there wasn't,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: But it's irrelevant here because neither one of them, either
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: the aggressor or the victim in that prior, is the killer.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: So it's mute.
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  Speaker 15: They're not alive, right, They're both gone.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Oh to doctor Pria Banergy, joining US renowned board certified
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: forensic pathologist, anatomic pathologist, and at anchor forensic pathology. Insaulting
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: doctor Priya. We're getting nothing, all right, It's gonna have
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: to be a ring doorbell cam. The children very young,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I believe they're one and four years old, they find
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: their parents. Did the neighbors and coworkers show them screaming
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: from the outside. It's gonna have to be forensically solved. Okay, Yes,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: let's talk about what we can learn from the bodies.
• 42:28
  Speaker 17: Well, I think it's you know, gonna be the distance determination,
• 42:32
  Speaker 17: how close they were shot. We know that the casings
• 42:35
  Speaker 17: are at the scene. That's really important, right if it's
• 42:39
  Speaker 17: up close and personal, we get an idea of the
• 42:43
  Speaker 17: caliber of gun that was used, and then of course
• 42:47
  Speaker 17: where they're shot.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: And how long it took them to die.
• 42:50
  Speaker 17: The casings are also important at the scene because they're
• 42:55
  Speaker 17: usually ejected back into the right relative to where the
• 42:59
  Speaker 17: gun was from, So that'll give a positioning of the
• 43:02
  Speaker 17: shooter versus the decedents and this lovely couple that we're seeing.
• 43:08
  Speaker 14: So I think just.
• 43:10
  Speaker 17: Understanding the dynamic at this scene, and then you know,
• 43:15
  Speaker 17: really the distance, what was injured, and how long it
• 43:17
  Speaker 17: took for them to die. Is what the autopsy and
• 43:20
  Speaker 17: see an examination are going to together answer for you.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: You know another issue, Tom Smith joining me, former NYPD
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: now star of gold Shields podcast. Where in the home
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: where they found and if anybody on the panel knows,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: please pipe in. Were they in their beds? Were they upfront?
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: You know, we saw the front door. Why would they
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: be there between two and five am? Did someone tried
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: to come in the home like they did with the
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: neighbor and they both went to the door and ended
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: up getting shot. What would have been the motivation at
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: two o'clock in the morning at best to bam on
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: a door just to shoot somebody that's unconnected to that
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: seems far fetched to me. This seems like it was
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: more targeted. Were they asleep like Rob and Michelle Reiner were,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: What would you be looking for at the saying Tom.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, well, we know there's no forced entry, so that
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: is concerning. So they either let themselves in because they
• 44:21
  Speaker 8: knew the pass code, because they've been at that residence
• 44:24
  Speaker 8: before at the numerous parties that this couple had and
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: it's somebody they know, or they knocked on the door
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: and one of them answered it and they were forced
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: back into their bedroom. So one of those two things happened.
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: The entry of just getting in is still unknown, and
• 44:41
  Speaker 8: that's what you know part of this investigation is going
• 44:44
  Speaker 8: to be. Another telling sign is the children not being harmed,
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: and actually the dog who was in the residence not
• 44:50
  Speaker 8: being harmed as well.
• 44:52
  Speaker 10: So I agree with you.
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  Speaker 8: This was in my mind an absolute targeted hit of
• 44:57
  Speaker 8: one of these two individuals. And it's going to take
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: the background check of both of their pasts, their social
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: media accounts, their relationships, interviews that were done with others
• 45:09
  Speaker 8: of where their relationship stood or past ones is going
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: to be very important with this.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: And again that domestic relations call many believe is not
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: connected to this couple. Their practically newly weds have only
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: been together five years. A one year old and a
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: four year old left without either a mother or a father.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Spencer and Monique Teppe now dead, their children orphans. Who
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: did this? If you know or think you know anything,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: please call Columbus police. Six one four six four five
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  Speaker 2: two two two eight six one four six four five
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  Speaker 2: two two two eight. And now we remember an American hero.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Deputy share of Justin May Blunt County Sheriff's Tennessee, killed
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: in the line of duty, leaving behind a grieving mother
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: can you imagine, and his brothers, American hero Deputy Sheriff
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Justin Maury Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,