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Empowering Women's Midlife Journey · Giving Pain Purpose with Lyndsay Soprano

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This is Your Pain Game podcast where we talk about the game of living in
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and with chronic pain and trauma get into the heart of how to heal.
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I am your host, Lindsay Soprano. On the show, I plan on
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discussing with doctors, chronic pain patients, holistic practitioners, loved ones, and
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anybody that is interested in having their voice heard in the chronic pain and trauma
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world that we live in. I don't know about you, but I am
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a little bit hot and sweaty, and I am like all of the time.
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And I am just one of over one billion women who are in paramanopause
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or are just entering these golden doors of sweat and love and light. Right,
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God, it's it's so hard being away men. But for as long
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as I can remember, I've never been able to truly talk openly about my
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body. I had zero problem using it and abusing it, but I could
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never really be candid and open and honest about what's going on with my bod
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and my health and all of that for so so long. And that changed
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starting the show, which is pretty pretty epic. But now that I am,
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Holy geez, did those people that help me in their care over the
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years let me down. And as we all know, our healthcare system,
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at least here in the United States is atrocious, especially when you live in
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chronic pain or you're dealing with emotional I mean, it goes on and on.
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Actually, you know what, I don't even want to put that in
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the chronic pain department. And it's beyond unaffordable and beyond frustrating, and quite
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frankly, it's beyond healthy, right because we're seeking and we're looking for answers
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to questions, and I feel like we're all kind of getting left behind and
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taking care of our bods in a healthy and communicative way is expensive, Like
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I said, like send you to collections for the bills that you are unable
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to pay because of your medical expenses. So, without further ado, I'd
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like to introduce you today to my guest, Amita Sharma. Hello, darling,
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Amia, thank you for introducing me. You're welcome. Amita is the
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co founder of norrish Doc, a global holistic wellness platform for parati postmenopausal woman.
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She is on a mission, not unlike myself, to bring affordable wellness
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to every woman in the world. Norrish Doc has designed evidence based and culture
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sensitive holistic wellness programs for women's wellness, self care? What is that?
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Women? What self care and prevention with menopause as a taboo globally, And
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like I said, with over one billion, that's with the bee women reaching
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menopause. Wellness for women at this stage, which I never thought i'd be
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in, by the way, should be at the forefront of conversation, and
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that's why we are here. So all right, I'm going to roll out
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the red carpet for you, babe, and I'd like to start talking about
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why this conversation about women's health and specifically as we're entering perimenopausemenopause, why that
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is such an important conversation to have and let's take it from there. Yeah,
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you said more than one billion women, actually, and because we don't
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count the pennimenopausal women, we're only counting the menopausal women, right, So
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anyway we'll get to that old thing. That's definitely more than one billion women.
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But why is it important perimenopause? The reason is the data says eighty
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percent of us over age fifty five and above women have one chronic condition.
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If you don't, if we women do not take care of ourselves during the
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perimenopausal years. You were just talking about all the you know how atrocious our
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health system is. You don't want to get into that, right, chronic
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condition meaning diabetes, meaning even cancer in health, you know, heart health,
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the men, yeah, osteoporosis, these things. Eighty percent of us,
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more women have that have these coronic conditions than men. And the chronic
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conditions can only help if we take start taking care of ourselves during the perimen
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of pausal years. So it's all correlated. There's a research that's linking,
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that's connecting the dots between this right here, the care and the chronic conditions.
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I can just give you an example, yes please, So like easternent
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dominance as an example, most of us don't even understand what Eastern dominance is.
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I think I'm jumping too far ahead of my game. But just as
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an example, a common a condition, common condition that's that happens to a
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lot of perimenopausal women or even women before perimenopause, has a direct correlation to
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breast cancer and ovarian cancer. As an example, hormonal imbalance, which happens
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towards women most of the women in perimenopause, could be linked to diabetes,
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weight gain, that happens to most of the perimen of horse of women can
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again be linked to diabetes or metabolic syndrome. Bone loss that happens to a
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lot of women thirty and over, we start losing our bones. We know
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that unless we start doing some weight trainings. Osteoporosis, estrogen and progesterone lowering
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of the hormones, osteoporosis is that there's a link to that. So even
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brain fog is one of the symptoms of perimen of horse, can be linked
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to dementia in the later years. So what I'm trying to say is the
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symptoms that we have, we meaning the National Stugit of Health, they have
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recorded more than thirty five plus symptoms of perimen of horse. If we don't
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take care of them, if we are not pro active and taking care of
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ourselves, can we are leading ourselves to not a healthier quality of life as
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we start aging into our golden years for sure, And I mean, I
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don't know how golden it is these days. But I'm just one of the
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things that is exacerbating about this whole thing for me, it just drives me
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crazy, is the fact that I am been a seeker and a very curious
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woman in regards to finding answers to health problems for at least now fifteen plus
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years, and I'm going to be forty six, and the most frustrating thing
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is finding out literally because of doing this show, meeting these incredible women and
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incredible men as my guests, not unlike yourself, that have taught me how
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left behind I was at such a very young age. Some of that is
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because technology has changed. We have more data, we have more information,
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we have more studies, we have all of that. But at the end
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of the day, we've all had ovaries and uteruses for a very long time.
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I mean, this is I feel like it's not complete rocket science.
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But what's happened, certainly with my bod is with and with things that have
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happened over the years of your life. You end up developing all these weird
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you know, weird autoimmune disorders. You have chronic pain that comes into it,
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not unlike myself, and all of these things come in and we get
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thrown into one big bucket because we're women, and women are all different,
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right, you and I spoke about that on our meet and greet. We
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are all so difficult. Everybody's different. Everybody is different. So can you
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talk to us a little bit about wellness and the holistic approach that you have
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in regards to treating women through our towards our golden years. We are not
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golden right now. We are shiny and sparkly. Golden's too old. That's
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golden girls. You're making me feel really old right now. So I think
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I think in the Western culture, and I think most of us in today's
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anage have traveled the world globally, right, whether it's Asia, Europe or
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America, I think we can I can safely make the statement that in the
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Western world, we just want one bit to solve our problems. Right,
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Oh, let me just give me a pill and then I'll be fine.
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Right. So, the and you know the funny thing is I actually went
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and met someone in the holistic industry and she said, tell me a pill
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in the holistic world and I'll be fine. I'm like, there's no one
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single pill that's see. So our brain is programmed to go to the medical
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system. Whatever, go to a dog, and dog will prescribe the pill,
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and the pill will take the pill and we'll be perfectly fine. Now,
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if you go visit some European countries, Italy or any of you know
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these countries, or even Asia. You know, the focus is on really
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on holistic health. Holistic health what I mean is your physical health as well
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as your relationship health, your mental health, your social health. It's mind
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and bodies all connected, right, That's what If I'm having a bad relationship
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with my partner or with you know, someone, it's all going to translate
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into some kind of I'm going to start accumulated these bad feelings in my head
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and I'm not letting it go, and then it's all. Then it causes
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me anxiety, and anxiety causes me my gut issues. My gut issues calls
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me my pope not coming out, and that goes to my weight and the
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belly bloating. You see, Oh, you know how I've created this whole
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messhure of Yah, my abdominant bloating is related to my boss not getting me,
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being happy with me. But it's true. It's totally true. Society
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they almost traumatize us by not getting us, helping us and handholding us through
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all of these things that are so important. Nutrition being one of them.
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Are like you're saying, our spirit, our soul are all of it.
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It's so important that we're touching base with all of those places within our healthcare.
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It's not like, well, you know what, my feet hurt,
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so why don't I put you on a pain pill? You know, it
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has absolutely nothing to do with that. If anybody would have given too you
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know what's about it, I legitimately would have been I would not be sitting
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in a wheelchair for half of my life. I can tell you that much
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right now that we're getting out of it, because this just stinks. So
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that's why holistic health, your mind, emotional wellness is very, very important
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whatever you're going through at that time. A lot of women are going through
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relationship issues or divorced, so so many things. It all comes into all
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the symptoms, the physical symptoms we're talking about. And perimenopause is important because
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guess what, our women's life is also governed by menstrual health. Right when
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we start the menstrual health puberty, then we are giving birth the reproductive and
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the perimenopause is decline of that menstrual health right right, Because the first one
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of the first symptoms of perimenopause is irregular periods. The periods the two sex
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hormones, the female sex hormones that define a feminist beauty or the feminism.
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I should say that the slarts slightly start going down to attack, and then
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it goes roller coaster to right now, these beautiful hormones playing this roller coaster
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ride. Then these symptoms start appearing like satellite bombarding on us from all over
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the place. And it's different for each and every woman based on their ethnicity,
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based on their lifestyle. And that's why we focus on the cultural sensitivity,
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because depending on what kind of race you're coming from, your menopause age
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could be different and your menopause symptoms could be different. Huh. I didn't
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know that about race in particular in regards to symptoms and it and its onset
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of paramenopause. And why is that. I mean, obviously we're all a
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little different, we all come from all over the worlds and stuff, but
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specifically yeah. Now, so I'll just give you an African American women as
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an example. In this country, the average age of menopause is fifty one
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to fifty two. They experienced it one or two years earlier than a normal
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age. And the heart flashes one of the common symptoms. You say,
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Oh my god, I'm having heart pledges and I'm going through menopause. Hart
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fleshes is not the only symptom of menopause. It's not only about heart flashes.
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As I explained earlier. Right now, they get more severe symptom of
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heart flashes than normal. And that's because of the lifestyle. They don't eat
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as much healthy food as most of us can afford to do that processed foods.
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The obesity levels are much higher and the exercise is lower. So these
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are the common factors in Latino communities and African American communities because the severity of
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the some of the symptoms are higher and the age is sooner, So it
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differs from different cultures. I'm just giving you an example of these two cultures
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in this specifically in this country. Yeah, I mean it's totally true.
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I mean you can just see it and walking around and we look like I'm
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in southern California, so fairly diverse around here, and you can see it.
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And you can see especially because prices have risen in food that I think
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that a lot a lot more people are eating fast food. I mean,
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I'm not of that ilk, but I see a lot of my girlfriends that
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feed their kids like crappy food that they didn't used to because now it's so
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much more expensive. And so all that I think kind of circles back to
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the affordability of our healthcare and how how to find the right solution and to
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find the right practitioners and to find the right path, and to pay for
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your acupuncture and to go get massages for your lymph nodes, you know,
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like all of these different things that we can do. Our healthcare system isn't
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going to pay for it, yes, And I don't because they want us
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sick. And and I'm not going to get on my bully on my bully
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pulpit and get on my soapbox about the politics and all of this at all,
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because I try to stay away from how I really feel about it.
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But everybody that really listens to the show all the time knows how I really
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feel about it. But it's just one of those things that I'm like,
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I get so discouraged for people that don't have the financial ability to support a
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really, really healthy, healthy lifestyle because it is it is hard work to
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do it, it's expensive to do it, and it's dedication to it too,
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and so you've been working with your with your other founder of your organization,
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nor Stock, You've been working on basically affordable wellness at the palm of
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your hand. So can we talk a little bit about what you're up to,
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because this is pretty interesting. Yeah. So, I you know,
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I took this category of women midaged women beyond the reproductive years. The reason
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being, as I said, underserved a taboo, not well understood. All
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these reasons, not much research has been done. So so we meant around
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the world for the last two years, that's all we've been doing literally on
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zoom right, not flying around the world and talk to about three three thousand
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plus holistic experts and look that all the research that has been done in holistic
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and we brought it out together and tried to put it not I would say
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a single pill, but it definitely in an affordable app For example, the
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kind of holistic therapies that we are talking about is of course we talked about
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that nutrition, food as medicine. We know that that being that very very
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important. Then there is yoga has a ton of research, Breathing has a
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ton of research to help calm ourselves with hot flashes and even with a lot
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of menopau perimenopausal symptoms. Acupressure has research some of the herbs and supplements.
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Some are you massage, some type of medicated massage, some type of aroma
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therapy, EFT, cognitive behavioral therapy, hypnote therapy, image therapy. There
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are so many things. So what we've done is we've gone to all this,
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brought it out together and put it in an affordable app which is going
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to be priced at less than ten dollars a month. Based on a concern
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a person has, we are going to give them simple tips to go along.
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First of all understanding what they have and then a simple tips of what
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is it that they can do to start changing their habits on a daily basis.
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The trick to do that is to form a daily routine a single day,
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what am I going to do today? Maybe take one or two habits
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on a daily basis and start practicing on a day to day basis. So
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that's what we have done, is that we've gone and we've taken about fifteen
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symptoms of midage women physical symptoms as well as we're going to put in the
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emotional symptoms and put it in simple self care app which is super affordable less
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than ten dollars. Now, if someone wants one on one personalized consultation,
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then of course it's going to be more. We know that. And then
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it is you can have like a personalized holistic balaness according to what your blood
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works is, what your symptoms are, what your emotional Like I said again
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and again, physical symptoms is one thing. Your blood work will say something.
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If you don't have a good relationship with your spouse, with your partner,
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with your kids, with your parents. You know, that's the emotional
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part. You know that is also takes into account of how you're feeling about
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yourself. All all that put together to follow along with someone like a naturopathic
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doctor, a yoga therapist, a dietician, or even a counselor so that
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you know, over the next period of three to four months, three to
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five months, you start embarking on this holistic lifestyle journey. Yeah, like
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you said, it takes hard work, it takes commitment. But what what
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are you committing and what is the hard work for? For yourself? Yes,
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it's for you. You're not doing it for anyone else. It's for
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you, right, stop your pitchon, do it for yourself. Exactly.
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If you can't do it for yourself, who you want to do it for?
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Yeah, and stop other people about the thing they need to do if
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you're not doing that drives me completely, Battie, exactly, why can't you
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take out fifteen minutes every single day and start taking some kind of a habit
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that will help you improve? That's right, And I'm talking about self love,
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loving yourself, trusting yourself, having your self worth, confidence, and
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you know, basically giving yourself permission to take care of yourself, to invest
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in yourself. That's what we are talking about, taking care of yourself,
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not of anyone else. I know. And I am one of the worst,
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and I talk about all the time the show because I always throw myself
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under the bus. I am. I am getting better at it, but
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I'm always the one on the bottom of the list and everybody else is before
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me. And then by the end of the day, I'm bowl soup and
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I'm like, great, I've got twenty seconds for myself right now. And
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that's just to brush my teeth. Okay, I brush my teeth longer than
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twenty seconds, but you get my point. But one of the things that
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I think in this stage of our life as women in particular, is there's
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this sadness and a loss that comes during this span of time where we're kind
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of losing like like our mojo, like your sex drive drops, which I
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never thought would ever happen because I'm like a lunatic in the bedroom. And
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then it's like, but now I'm kind of like, you know, I
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don't know, like can we just watch more Game of Thrones over again tonight?
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And said, you know. And so there's sadness with some of that,
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in the decline of things that used to be really exciting for us or
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our bodies used to feel a certain way and they're just not anymore. And
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then if you topple that, you have a nice tango with chronic pain on
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top of that, then you've got some depression issues that come up with that.
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Then you've got anxiety. Then you pile on the what you were talking
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about about, you're maybe a spouse issue or a job issue. I mean,
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goes on and on and on, and so no wonder we're hot and
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sweaty, and we're grumpy and we're crabby, and we're like literally like scraping
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by because we've given so much of ourselves for so many years, and now
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here we are like, so now what do I do so with that?
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Yeah, I no need people to help help hold our hands through it.
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But we all don't have the amount of patients that we used to have because
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there's so many resources, there's so much technology, there's so many there's so
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much noise coming at us all day, all day long, all night long,
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twenty four hours a day, no matter what you're being fed information if
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your eyes and your ears are open, and that is a challenge to our
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health as well. But when you have a tool like yourself, like what
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you guys are doing, I think that's incredibly useful, especially for somebody that's
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you know, successful women that are just like I need to get a grip
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on what is going on with my bod and no one is listening to me,
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and I don't know where to go because I've gone from doctor to doctor,
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to doctor to doctor to doctor, and nobody's really talking to each other.
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Nobody's listening to each other. And I'm giving you a stack this big
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of all of the charts, of all the things. You think any of
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these doctors are going to look through them? No, they're not. They
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never did when it was one page. Why would they look through it when
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it's one hundred and twenty pages, you know, like, what the hell?
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And that's where you guys come in. How cool? You know.
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I'm not against doctors, but the thing, the way our medical system is
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set up is we have a doctor like for each and everybody product, right,
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this part of the body, then the nose, you know, then
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this, than this. So now they compartmental lies our body into like god
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knows, on hundred different pieces. And I have one hundred different specialties or
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the doctors, and they don't talk to each other. So recently, you
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know, I got my blood tested, blood tested, and everything was fine.
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I always have a low blood pressure, so I went to the doctor.
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So let me do this exercise, right. Let me just go to
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a medical doctor and and then I will go to a nutramatic doctor. And
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he says, oh, why your blood pressure is down. I don't understand.
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Oh, maybe I'll give you a pill. I said, no,
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no, no, I don't want a pill. So then they said,
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no, why don't you go to an end of right, So he sends
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me to that one. He can't figure it out. I said, I've
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always had my blood pressure over. He said, no, I can't figure
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out. Maybe something else is going on with your heart. Then I got
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my heart test. I'm not kidding you got I said, let me just
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go through this. I got my heart tested easily, everything normal. Then
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I said, oh no, get your memmograms, get your full exitus,
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get you this. I get everything tested. They could still go and figure
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out why this was the problem. And then I went to a naturopathic doctor,
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and you know, she says, look, the reason is, Okay,
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you take these herbs, you take these supplements, you take all this,
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and then let's see the difference. So the jury is still out there.
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What I'm trying to say is that the medical system treats you as one
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part here and there. The holistic system, like, for example, not
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naturopathic doctor, which are licensed in this country for at least twenty twenty five
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states in this country. They are taught the body is one system. It's
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your kidney is separate from liver, and your overiaes are going here and this
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is going there. They consider the one whole system as one and your mind
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is connected to your body, so your body is The ailments that are happening
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are due to some kind of possible other things that are also happening in your
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life and also your gut health. So it's all interconnected. That's what is
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so important for us to understand and learn because if my gut is wrong,
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my gut health is not good. My mental, gut and mental is all
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connected. I'm going to have anxiety, right, If I have anxiety,
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then maybe something else will start happening. My skin will start breaking out,
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maybe I start losing my hair. So it's all interconnected. It's not that
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I'll go to a skin doctor and then he fixed my skin, and I
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go to a gut help and then I go to my brain doctor. Right,
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there are three doctors here, but no, it's all interconnected. And
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that's exactly what we are trying to say. Your mind and body is connected.
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You're one. You're not like hundred pieces of different doctors and you're inside
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your body. Yeah, that you need to figure it out. Right.
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We are a puzzle with many pieces, but at the end of the day,
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when we're all put together, we're one big puzzle. So it's like
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that. The worst thing is when you lose a piece, You're like,
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great, I can't finish this thing, but I do have I do have
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a cure for your low blood pressure? Would you like to hear it?
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Oh? You do? I do? Yes, it's hanging out with me
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for twenty minutes a day. I don't raise anybody's blood pressure. People tell
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me, why are you smiling all the time? I have love Budish.
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Oh my god, I'm smiling all the time because I'm crazy. Also,
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you know, big picture, even though life has dished me a lot of
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shit, big picture, I'm a pretty damn happy person. Yeah. You
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know, like I've been through a lot. I've seen some pretty dark and
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to places in my life. And I don't have a perfect life by any
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stretch. And I struggle and I challenges in my face, not only with
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my health but mental health as well. And you know it's mostly depression and
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anxiety from being in pain all day long, you know. I mean,
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it's just like the slippery slope of that. But I feel like I'm on
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the right path now, where I didn't really feel like I had a path
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because I didn't have one person that was helping guide me. And now I
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do. And she's just kind of rock starring me ye and getting me connected
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with this person and that person and do this and do that, and then
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making sure that all of those things are happening, taking all of the tests
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that I've done, taking and giving me some new tests. I just got
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ordered to new tests today. Let's just throw more pee and poop and blood
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at the labs. That's all I do to help figure out how we can
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fix a lot of these infections that I have that have been sitting in my
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bod for so many years, unknown but undiagnosed, but known wholeheartedly by me,
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and me saying you're missing something, you're missing something, you're missing something.
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The whole time, they weren't missing anything. They weren't caring, and
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they weren't curious enough about it. And when you have people like yourself and
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doctors that really do look at you as an entire human being and not just
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your nose and your eyeballs, look at you as a whole woman, a
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whole man, your health can shift pretty swiftly if you pay attention and you
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do your work. And the work isn't necessarily have to be that hard,
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but it needs to be a commitment that you make to yourself and to others
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around you, because if you don't tell other people that you're doing what you're
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doing, then no one's going to hold you accountable either. And that's something
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that I had to learn. I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna not drink
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vodka again. All right, Well that was easy. I just stopped doing
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it, and I but I told everybody I was doing it. Reason was
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is I just didn't want to do it anymore. You know, do I
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love my red wine? I do. Did I stop drinking red wine?
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Yeah? I did that, you know, a couple months ago. So
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it has been like one of those things. Do I want to eat cheese
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anymore? I shouldn't because of my gut. That was the hardest thing I've
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ever done my entire bloody life, was stop eating cheese. That was it.
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That's the hardest thing I've ever done. Pain. Oh my Godoka nah
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cheese, Holy hell. I need to be in therapy every day because of
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eating cheese. And these are the things. What you are just doing to
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yourself is changing one habit at a time. That's exactly what I was saying.
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Yep, yep. And it's so much less daunting because you know that
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it's super cliche, but it's the whole You don't eat an elephant at the
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same time. You know, you have to eat it bite by bite,
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and that's what it is. It's like even with weight loss right where people
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want to lose weight and then they make their decision and they put their yoga
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panthon and they go for a walk for forty five minutes, and they weighed
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themselves in the morning, and they ate really good in the day, and
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the next day they're like, why am I not twenty pounds later? Because
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it just doesn't work that way. So it takes a little bit of time.
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But if you do a little bit each day, I find that you
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see these small but incremental changes in your life that are pretty beautiful if you
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pay attention and you start being more curious about your own health as well as
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the health of the others around you, you know, and philosophically as well,
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because it's a philosophical thing to believe that our body as a whole,
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it needs to be approached from a holistic perspective. Not everybody believes the same
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as you and I clearly twenty five states in the United States of America,
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that's it. I'm actually fairly surprised it's actually as high as it is,
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and that's gross, but Wow, so fifty percent of our Well that kind
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of shows about our divide in our country, doesn't it. Oh man?
28:32
So okay, so your app is has it launched it or is it coming
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out? I'm sorry, I don't remember. It's coming out in a month
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by end of punch. Yeah, so we are just doing a final a
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QA. Like I said, it's mainly a geared towards a midaged woman.
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We have focused on pedimentium causless symptoms and not only the physical but also the
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emotional part because we feel that midaged women to have so many stresses that are
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happening at that time. You know, maybe teenage kids at home stress and
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work stress. You need the money, financial relationship issues, you know with
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your partner, and then the physical part, which we were talking about some
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of the you know, irregular periods start showing up. You would have heart
29:15
flashes, sleep issues, so then multiple things. It's not just one physical
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thing. No, So so the app wouldn't come out End up Lunch,
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Yes, I love it. So many problems but app Yeah yeah, I
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mean I check like ninety two of your ninety five ses. But hey,
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I've always been an overachiever, so you know why quit now, okay,
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so end of March. That is incredible and you can we can find you
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online at norrish doc dot com, nou r i s hdoc dot com.
29:47
You're also on Instagram, nourish Doc, Facebook, YouTube, all those things.
29:49
So check her out and take a peek. We will be following what's
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going on with her launch and get that information out to you guys as well.
29:57
But is there anything else that you'd like to leave our audience with.
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I think I said it. I think the only thing is, you know,
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we invest some time in yourself. That I think that's my biggest line,
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the biggest thing that I want to tell each and every woman, even
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men as well, that invest ten to fifteen minutes of time to yourself and
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invest how you can improve yourself, your mind and body. And that's really
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your holistic self is what I'm talking about, not really your physical health,
30:25
your looks, but I'm talking about the holistic life. So that's what I
30:27
want to leave I love it. I love it so much, and it's
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a message that we all need to hear and frequently, mind you, because
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it's real easy to slip back in the old habit. It's real easy to
30:37
be like I'll do that tomorrow. We all binge television shows for hours,
30:44
Okay, we can do ten to fifteen minutes for ourselves. That's not watching
30:48
game of phones, or not watching the news or what have us. We
30:52
have to carve out a little bit more time for ourselves. And thank you
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for helping to reiterate that message because we talk about it a lot here.
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Thank you so much for your time with us today. I really appreciate it.
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