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153. [Virginia] Bethany Decker · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: When segregation was a law. One mysterious black club owner,
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  Speaker 1: Charlie Fitzgerald had his own rules segregation in the day
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  Speaker 1: immigration that night.
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  Speaker 2: It was like Steven in another world?
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  Speaker 1: Was he a businessman, a criminal?
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  Speaker 3: Charlie was an example of power. They had to crush it.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to bless this mess in the True
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  Speaker 2: Grim podcast. Don't care who is to sayst all right,
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  Speaker 2: we're back this week and we are going to Oh god,
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  Speaker 2: I've forgotten, Oh Virginia. It is Virginia because I was
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  Speaker 2: thinking we've been to Virginia a lot here lately. West Virginia,
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  Speaker 2: Regular Virginia, Virginia, Virginia.
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  Speaker 3: So meet Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know that song? I've heard it by train?
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  Speaker 3: Is that who sings it?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yes, I've heard it.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways, Okay, great songs do we were just listening to.
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  Speaker 2: I had the nineties country going. I don't think Stu
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  Speaker 2: knows anything about that.
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  Speaker 3: It's nineties pop country. I guess, no, it's not Stuart
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  Speaker 3: is there actually any real country coming out of the
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  Speaker 3: nineties that you listened to, Yes, I didn't hear No.
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  Speaker 3: Will and Nelson are Will and Jenny's Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways, I was listening to nineties country, and I always
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  Speaker 2: just I haven't listened to a lot of those songs,
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  Speaker 2: like the one you know where it's.
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  Speaker 3: Uh what you don't even remember? Wow?
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  Speaker 2: No, but when the song plays, I know every single word.
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  Speaker 2: So it was like songs like let me just let
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  Speaker 2: me just look real quick, okay. Just it was songs
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  Speaker 2: like so there was the Dixie Chicks like Cowboy Take
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  Speaker 2: Me Away. I remembered every single word to that. We
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  Speaker 2: also have time marches on song of the South, every
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  Speaker 2: single uh uh, the one where he's like, hey, pretty lady,
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  Speaker 2: won't you give me a sign? I'll give everything you
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  Speaker 2: make you mine own mine. I'll do your bidding and
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  Speaker 2: beach backing call stop.
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  Speaker 3: We only got like ten.
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  Speaker 2: Every single word I know, and I haven't listened to
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  Speaker 2: songs and so long. But it's amazing what your brain
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  Speaker 2: is allowing, what your what your brain is allowing to
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  Speaker 2: take up space way back there.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I forget things, but that you play one of these
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  Speaker 2: nineties country songs and I'm it's like, I'm right, I'm
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  Speaker 2: right back there. You know, eat my mayonnaise toast, it's
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  Speaker 2: actually miracle whiptos. I still to this day eat miracle
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  Speaker 2: whip toos. It's just toast with miracle whip. The other
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  Speaker 2: big thing was, I remember our poor person breakfast was
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  Speaker 2: the toast with the butter and the cinnamon sugar on top.
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  Speaker 2: What used to make that was how they would make
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  Speaker 2: like because we couldn't afford like cinnamon rolls and things
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  Speaker 2: like that, so we'd have cinnamon toast.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you mix the sugar and the cinnamon and
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  Speaker 3: mix it up in the butter and you sprinkle it
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  Speaker 3: on your toast.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyways, and then somebody came up with the idea
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  Speaker 3: to make a sero and charge you a fortune for
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  Speaker 3: it called cinnamon toast crunch.
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  Speaker 2: Well what came first.
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  Speaker 3: Probably somebody making their poor man's cinnamon runs cinnamon.
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  Speaker 2: You know what's funny is we were making biscuits and
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  Speaker 2: gravy the other day or whatever. Remember I made biscuits
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  Speaker 2: and gravy from scratch. Not the biscuits.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not that uh no, you aren't that motivated?
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  Speaker 2: No, not saying I haven't been in the past, but.
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  Speaker 3: Well, well you do get motivated to make all kinds
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  Speaker 3: of messes in the kitchen.
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  Speaker 2: I got it unmotivated clean it up though, and so
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  Speaker 2: I just leave it first. Yes, anyways, I was thinking
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  Speaker 2: about like they used to call it, you know, ship
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  Speaker 2: on a shingle.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, because you didn't have the military biscuits.
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  Speaker 2: You would just had the bread.
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  Speaker 3: So piece of bread.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways, all right, I don't know how we got.
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  Speaker 3: Because you were talking ninety ship, and I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what happened after that.
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  Speaker 2: Because you were talking about train meet Virginia and then
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  Speaker 2: that is that train?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so Okay, no, it's.
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  Speaker 2: It's what's his what's his face? It's not train, it's
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  Speaker 2: what's his what's his face?
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  Speaker 3: That's probably people screaming.
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  Speaker 2: Train. Okay, I was right.
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  Speaker 3: I have no clue. I was getting confused.
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  Speaker 2: With Dave Matthews band for some reason.
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  Speaker 3: Now you're going to get an email about that. Yes, okay,
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  Speaker 3: how could you even think that was Dave?
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  Speaker 2: All right, well that's enough chit chat. This is what
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  Speaker 2: the the other podcast is for the Patreon one is
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  Speaker 2: the we put out like our chit chat. So you
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  Speaker 2: guys who don't care about this stuff don't have to
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  Speaker 2: listen to it, and then the people that do care
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  Speaker 2: and listen to it.
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  Speaker 3: I saw somebody else put like a time stamp in
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  Speaker 3: there to fast forward to five minutes and seven seconds
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  Speaker 3: to get past everything.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm not doing that. They can go fuck them.
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  Speaker 2: They can either fast forward wow, normally I'm not doing
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  Speaker 2: all that, just so you can skip because you don't
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  Speaker 2: want to hear me talk, just skip the whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: Then, well I wish I could.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways, this is going to this is going to go
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  Speaker 2: out first. But if we are going to be I
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  Speaker 2: think we're gonna be talking about the Biggest Loser documentary
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  Speaker 2: that came out on Netflix, because that was like flashbacks
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  Speaker 2: for me. The Biggest Loser documentary. I remember these people.
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  Speaker 2: I remember because I used to watch that when I
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  Speaker 2: was like a young person's too. Probably didn't do much
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  Speaker 2: for my diet culture anything like that, but I still
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  Speaker 2: remember watching it. I remember that Joel and I remember
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  Speaker 2: how terrible she was and all that stuff. But anyways,
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  Speaker 2: further ado, we'll get into this week's episode. Out of Virginia,
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  Speaker 2: all right, Bethany and Decker Nay, little John, Little John,
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  Speaker 2: Little John. Yeah, do you know anything about little John? No,
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  Speaker 2: Lil Wayne. There's got to be a rapper called little John.
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  Speaker 2: Okay was born May thirteenth, nineteen eighty nine, in Fredericksburg, Virginia,
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  Speaker 2: not frederick Burg, Texas. Bethany was described as friendly and ambitious,
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  Speaker 2: Bethany would meet Emil Decker and they would marry. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Emil was in the National Guard, which caused him to
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  Speaker 2: be gone frequently, so after she became pregnant and had
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  Speaker 2: their son, she was left alone with the baby a lot,
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  Speaker 2: which put a strain on their marriage. She did not
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  Speaker 2: like that military lifestyle whatsoever. You know, it's just part
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  Speaker 2: of the when it's part of something you sign up for,
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  Speaker 2: you know, But I think when.
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  Speaker 3: It people get into. She didn't think he'd be She
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  Speaker 3: thought it was probably weekends, but.
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  Speaker 2: He did get like deployed Afghanistan and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: So then you got to do your two weeks every year.
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  Speaker 3: Then you might get a nine to day this that
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  Speaker 3: or the other. Well, I mean some of the ladies
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  Speaker 3: near the base, is the active duty military bases, they're like,
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  Speaker 3: you had me at trycare, big boy, let's get married.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've known, I've known. I knew someone who got
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  Speaker 2: screwed over when he joined the military and then the
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  Speaker 2: wife was back home with like the bank account and
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  Speaker 2: then I left him, Yeah, and then left him and
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  Speaker 2: took all the money and everything like that. So then
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  Speaker 2: he came back and he was he was in military
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  Speaker 2: during like, oh, I.
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  Speaker 3: Knew that guy.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's happened so many times.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I knew plenty of guys. Jody. Jody comes slinking
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  Speaker 3: around whenever the I call him Westpac widows and the
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  Speaker 3: Navy whenever they.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard the Westpac widow so many times from watching
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  Speaker 2: this story, I was like, Stu, are you gonna say this?
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  Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, probably multiple probably multiple times. And Jody.
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  Speaker 2: People don't understand who Jody is, Stu. If they're not familiar.
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  Speaker 3: He's just the amorphous guy that's at home banging your
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  Speaker 3: girlfriend or wife.
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  Speaker 2: Jody's the name they used for, just like the general
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  Speaker 2: guy that's taken your wife or your girlfriend.
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  Speaker 3: And if you're in the military then and your girlfriend
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  Speaker 3: is at home cheating on you, that's old Susie Rotten
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  Speaker 3: crotch back at home just cheating on you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that's disgusting.
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  Speaker 3: So it's Jody and Susie.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, Bethany was not prepared for this type of lifestyle.
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  Speaker 2: She was young, you know, she was only I think
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  Speaker 2: nineteen or twenty when she had her son and gets
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  Speaker 2: married and all this stuff, like very young, and it
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  Speaker 2: just was not working out, so she eventually did ask
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  Speaker 2: a Meal for a divorce. Now, as a single mom,
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  Speaker 2: Bethany was trying to get her life together. She started
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  Speaker 2: taking a full load of classes apparently some other loads up.
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  Speaker 3: Damn girl, why did I say that? Oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: I hate what was.
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  Speaker 2: At George Mason University while working at a local restaurant. Now,
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  Speaker 2: during this time, she did send From what I read,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't cover it in the episode. So for this,
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  Speaker 2: I watched an episode of On the Case with Paula's on, Yes, okay,
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  Speaker 2: on the cost of Paula's on And anyways, I did
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  Speaker 2: not they did not talk about this stuff. This was
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  Speaker 2: stuff I looked up on the intranets. So during this time,
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  Speaker 2: she sent her seventeenth month old to live with relatives.
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  Speaker 2: And then so she's at school full time, she's working,
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  Speaker 2: and her son is off with these being taken care
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  Speaker 2: of by somebody else. Now, soon after separating from her husband,
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  Speaker 2: Bethany began a friendship with a coworker. His name was
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  Speaker 2: Ronald Roldane. Now, the friendship quickly turned into a relationship,
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  Speaker 2: and they moved into an apartment together very soon after
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  Speaker 2: starting to date. Meanwhile, Bethany's husband was still trying to
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  Speaker 2: salvage the marriage. He had been in Afghanistan, but he
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  Speaker 2: took a leave to come home and try to work
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  Speaker 2: it out with her. In January of twenty eleven, now,
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  Speaker 2: Bethany and Emil headed over to Bethany's grandparents' house to
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  Speaker 2: have dinner. They're having their like Apparently it was her
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  Speaker 2: favorite meal. It was homemade pizza that her grandparents would make,
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  Speaker 2: so they went over. It was almost like she was
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  Speaker 2: playing both sides of this. But I don understand is
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  Speaker 2: where was the child? So the dad comes back like
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  Speaker 2: I would be like, fuck you bitch, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: see my kid, you know.
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  Speaker 3: At this point, well, he's trying to repair and so
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  Speaker 3: that they can be a family.
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  Speaker 2: I know, but I just feel like I feel like
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  Speaker 2: in all of this, the child seemed to have gotten
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  Speaker 2: forgotten in all of this. But anyways, because she wanted
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  Speaker 2: to live with her.
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  Speaker 3: Boyfriend, you can't pour from an empty cupcar, so he
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  Speaker 3: had to fix the relationship first.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, if you've been gone, you think you'd want
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  Speaker 2: to see your child and go do like a family thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure he did the next day.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, so Bethany and Meal they head over, they have
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  Speaker 2: this pizza dinner and they're trying to just reconnect and
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  Speaker 2: talk things out. But during that time, Bethany received some
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  Speaker 2: text on her phone and she storms out of the
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  Speaker 2: home and that was the last time anyone from her
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  Speaker 2: family saw her.
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  Speaker 3: Well, weeks go by and Bethany's family continue to try
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  Speaker 3: and reach out to her. However, they don't have any luck.
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  Speaker 3: They're saying, this is unlike Bethany, but they doesn't seem
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  Speaker 3: too concerned because nobody has filed a missing person's report
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  Speaker 3: at this point. They did drive by her apartment to
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  Speaker 3: see that her vehicle was outside of her apartment, and
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  Speaker 3: so they thought maybe she was just trying to get
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  Speaker 3: some space while she dealt with this difficult decision. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so she's got this decision do I go with the
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  Speaker 3: new boyfriend of two months or do I go with
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  Speaker 3: the husband that I have a child with. But on
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  Speaker 3: February nineteenth, twenty eleven, her family finally connect connected connected,
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  Speaker 3: how about kind of contacted?
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  Speaker 2: I will say, I just want to say, from everything
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  Speaker 2: I read, the husband didn't seem it didn't seem like
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  Speaker 2: anything was necessarily like he wasn't like a bad guy
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  Speaker 2: or anything like that. No, you know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I guess she was just young and she I think
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  Speaker 2: she just got pregnant, had a kid and got tied
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  Speaker 2: down and it just was not.
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  Speaker 3: And she wanted her husband home every night because she
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  Speaker 3: was the sole provider for the baby. And I'm guessing
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  Speaker 3: that's why she, well.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how long ago she dropped that baby
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  Speaker 2: off with that family member and it's like, peace out,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to do this. We don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. But if he was constantly in and
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  Speaker 3: out and she was doing all this by herself, I'm
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  Speaker 3: guessing that it war on her.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I know, But you act like he was constantly
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  Speaker 2: in and out because he was just deciding to voluntarily.
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  Speaker 3: Leave, Like h he wasn't voluntaring to leave. But but
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  Speaker 3: I mean, her personality might have been I need somebody
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  Speaker 3: here all the time for the attention.
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  Speaker 2: The thing about it is that every time they do
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  Speaker 2: one of these documentaries or these episodes, we can tell
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  Speaker 2: there's some well no, but we can clearly tell there's
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  Speaker 2: some flaws with this, with this victim, there are flaws,
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  Speaker 2: but we're not allowed to victim blame or say anything.
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  Speaker 2: I know this isn't victim blame, but we're not. It's
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  Speaker 2: like we're not supposed allowed to say anything bad. It's
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  Speaker 2: okay to be like, yeah, she kind of was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, ditched your kid or something. You know, like
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  Speaker 2: this isn't good. It's like that at Abby's mom or
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  Speaker 2: Libby's mom on the the Delphi thing, Yeah, the Delphi thing.
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  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, she wasn't in her life, and
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  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden she's the girl's murdered, and
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden she's on every news channel, you know,
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  Speaker 2: putting her face out there and getting tattoos like where
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  Speaker 2: were you the first fourteen years of the kid's life?
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  Speaker 2: Like we need to feel like I feel like we
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  Speaker 2: can still someone can be a victim of a horrible crime,
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  Speaker 2: but they can also not be the you know, the
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  Speaker 2: person who lights up the room and is the greatest
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  Speaker 2: thing that ever never did anything wrong. But it's like
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  Speaker 2: we're not allowed to even utter a word. There was
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  Speaker 2: some problem, yes that maybe where is the child in
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  Speaker 2: all of this? What is going on with all this?
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  Speaker 2: So anyways, that's all I have to say about it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to move on from it. Before are you
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  Speaker 2: Before everybody gets mad at me, and I could be wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but from what I understood is that the relatives and
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  Speaker 2: she was living with that boyfriend. There's no way they
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  Speaker 2: never once mentioned the child in all of this missing nobody.
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  Speaker 2: Because if you're missing for several weeks and you have
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  Speaker 2: a seventeen month old, someone's gonna notice me, like, where's
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  Speaker 2: the child? So she the child was not living with her.
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  Speaker 3: No, she must have evidently gave it up for long
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  Speaker 3: term care by these other people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's all I'm going to say is that, yes,
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  Speaker 2: we can feel bad for the victim obviously, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because not everybody's perfect.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because this is what twenty one days, three weeks
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  Speaker 3: goes by before people starting.
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  Speaker 2: Since you would ask about the first concern to be like,
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  Speaker 2: where is the chiese.
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  Speaker 3: She comes by every day to see her child, but
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  Speaker 3: we haven't seen her in a week. We're concerned. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so they waited three.
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  Speaker 2: Weeks, Yeah, because they weren't even she She wasn't even
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  Speaker 2: expected to go see her visit her child in that time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm guessing because she she wasn't very active in their
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  Speaker 2: life anyways. Okay, well that's all we're going to speak
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  Speaker 2: I just want to point that out. Yes, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to point it out because I'm tired of these
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  Speaker 2: documents making everybody seem like they're perfect that get murdered.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, not everybody's perfect that gets murdered. People have flaws,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, trust me, Like, like, she did not light
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  Speaker 2: up that room. I don't know why she got murdered.
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  Speaker 2: She definitely didn't light up a room anyways.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, can I continue?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can continue.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, So the family were concerned. They contacted police
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  Speaker 3: when they hadn't heard from her since the end of January.
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  Speaker 3: Here it is February nineteenth. The family told police about
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  Speaker 3: a few other things that were concerning. Bethany did not
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  Speaker 3: show up to see her husband off when he was
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  Speaker 3: headed back to Afghanistan. They didn't know if that was
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: because they had decided not to get back together or
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: if something else had happened. They also received weird Facebook
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: messages from Bethany. They didn't sound like her, and these
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: messages were saying, I just want to be left alone,
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: I'm leaving Virginia some sort of weird things like that,
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: like she was peace out and.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: I would I also just want and the family was
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: receiving these and they thought it didn't sound like her,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: but they still weren't concerned. I also want to say,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: there are many times where on a thing where somebody
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: goes missing, they said they would never leave their child.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: This was never mentioned once. No on this like, she
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: would never shed gone, she would never leave her.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: She would never be late to pick him up from Daycaren, Yeah,
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: something was wrong, or.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: She would never miss her. So so I'm okay with like,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: you need help, you're trying to get your life together.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: A family member takes in your child. But they didn't
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: seem like she was an active participant in the child's
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: life because they never said she would never miss her
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: her weekly visits with her son.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: You know, I thought we were done.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're done. Now I'm just saying why I have
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: this reasoning behind why I feel this way. Okay.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So all these things, besides her seeing her child
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: and not being the parent that would go a week
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: without her child, all these things combined lead the family
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: to believe that something bad had happened to Bethany and
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: that she hadn't simply just left of her own accord.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: But I guess for a while it was a thought
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: that mamby she just left.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: They said that it was natural for her, normal for
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: her not to speak to them for a few days
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: to I guess just probably several days. And if she
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: stormed out mad, then maybe they're like, Okay, she's done
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: this before, and she just won't talk to any of us,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: and she goes and lives her life, and then she
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: comes back around whenever she's you know, over it or
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: probably needs something, is what I'm guessing about.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, somehowmade comfort piece.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, so please begin asking around seeing if they can
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: find out when the last time anyone saw or spoke
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: to Bethany. So they spoke to her work and they
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: said the last time they heard from Bethany was on
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: January twenty ninth, twenty eleven, when she called in for
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: her schedule but never showed up for her shift that evening,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: which again tells.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Me somebody ought to be concerned.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Well, no, but I've worked in the restaurant industry. Someone
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: just like never showing up again, this pretty standard. I
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: mean they don't call her or not, like, well, it
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: depends on again. This to me questions her like how
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: flaky if she was flaky going to work or if
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: it was someone that never would have missed a shift
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: and that was like a good worker and that you.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Just would have gone by the look.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Well the manager would have been like, we need to
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: call somebody or call them and see if something's not right.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: But the work didn't even seem concerned that she just
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: stopped showing up, like, so, I don't know what's going on.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: With that, but wow, we know it was just a
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: matter of time.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know what was going on, But
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: they didn't seem to be concerned that she wasn't there.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: So if they were, it was not put in the documentary.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: No investigators obtained a search warrant and were well, they
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: would have at least caused if they were. They didn't
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: weren't concerned enough to reach out to her family, and
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: then her family say, you know, this is weird behavior.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: So investigators they obtained a search warrant and were able
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: to enter Bethany's apartment, and when they walked in, they
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: found that everything had been moved out and had been
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: done so in a quick fashion. Now investigators were simply
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: or were wondering if they had simply decided meaning her
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: and the boyfriend to run away together and packed up
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: and left and told no one. But there was a
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: problem with that because Bethany's car was still located at
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: the apartment. But they could have taken you know, Ronald's car.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: But with me, like, to me, someone that has limited
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: amount of money, they wouldn't leave a car that's worth money,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: even if both of them had a car. So to me,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: that was a right flag, Like she would never leave
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: her car because even they had two cars, they could
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: have sold the other one for cash if they were
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: trying to get out of town.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Yes, and you're just if you got an auto draft,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: your insurance is just getting pulled out of your back. Again.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Now, as they brought the car in for processing, they
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: did not find any signs of a struggle within the car. However,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: they did find a lot of Bethany's personal items, including
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: three phones in a purse of hers, in the trunk. Now,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: also based on the amount of dirt build up on
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the vehicle, it appeared to have been sitting there for
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: several days or weeks without being moved. Now, this is
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: now indicating that Bethany did not leave on her own accord,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: that someone had taken her against her will. Or something
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: else bad as happened to her. So they now have
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: two prime suspects, and that would be the husband.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: And the boyfriend, the two men in her life. Yes,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: twenty eleven, who has three bones at this time?
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And they were like the I don't know. I'm
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: telling you they didn't. I think you could take a
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: deep dive into Bethany's life and there'd be a lot
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: going on.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: She had like two burner from yeah, because nobody said
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: why she had three phones.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, They just said that she had her main phone
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: that she they were checking and it was like one
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: of those like old like BlackBerry type things, and the
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: other two were a different type, but they mainly talked
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: about her one. She had one main phone that she
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: was like calling everyone that had activities. So I don't
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: know if the other two were just extras.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I don't Back in twenty eleven, phones were phone plans
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: were well, I.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Don't know if they I don't know if they were
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: on phone plans. They might have been paper in it
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: or whatever. Or also they could have just been her
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: old phones that she just didn't get rid of. Maybe
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: she liked to play snake on her or whatever with
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: the old Nokias.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Well, she liked to play snake. That's true.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, we're gonna get in trouble for this episode probably.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I just want to say I'm not talking bad about
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: the victim. I'm just saying we need to paint a
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: whole picture of what Hugh humans are. They're not perfect,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: they're flawed, they make mistakes. They she was young, you know,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I'm sure she would have grown out out of it
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: and everything that. But it's just like, I just it
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: drives me crazy when we just gloss over all these
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: other things, like explain to me where the child is. Like,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about?
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Why didn't she saying the child?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, explain it. Say at least say you know what
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: she struggled She wasn't anyway, Okay, I'm going to move on,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: are you Yes, I'm actually moving on.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like I need to explain
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: myself because everyodys be like, oh, they talk so mean
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: about the victim. It's like, well, maybe it's because I'm
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: a mother now and I just can't even imagine you
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: just up and leaving your child. But that's just.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially if I mean, it's not like a situation
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: where you would be like, I'm poor, I can't I
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: can't barely house myself. I gotta yeah, give this child.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she had a nice apartment, Like it was a
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: pretty pretty nice apartment they were living in.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't like she was living on the streets.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: And well, because we also wanted to talk because remember
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: we were talking about she probably was getting all those
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: benefits of him in the military and being.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Well, he was getting the housing allowance, food allowance, Yes,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: that she would get.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so she was getting all that. And then since
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: they had a child and they were married, I'm sure
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: he was getting she would have gotten daycare provided all
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: that stuff because he was he went from he was
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: he was in Afghanistan, so apparently he got sent over
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: to do something.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: You know, whenever you get deployed put on that.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: So she's getting so she's working, going to school, and
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: she's getting I'm assuming his benefits are coming in. If
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: he's still trying to work things out with her, then
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: that means he didn't just go take everything away from
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: her and say you can't have my paycheck or anything.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: That she's still getting all of those benefits.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's got a military dependent ID card, so she
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: can get on base any of the bases in that
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: area and go to the commiss area and go to
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: the exchange. Yeah, so getting all the all the perks.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Anyway, now that they had Bethany's cell phone, they were
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: able to confirm that she did call the restaurant at
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: two eight pm on January twenty ninth, just like the
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: restaurant said she was supposed to show up for six
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: pm shift, but she did not. They were also able
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: to confirm that there was no more activity on those
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: phones after that phone call. They also pulled her bank
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: records and found out that her debit card had regular
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: activity on it up until that Saturday afternoon.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was quite clear that that she fell out,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: something happened that that afternoon. With the cell phone records,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: they were able to confirm that. And again, there's no
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: way she's not going to use her bank card in
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: everything like that.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Not if it's something you're used to doing, you don't just.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Well no, but also for money like that, she's not
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: just going to.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, they didn't. They don't have any proof that
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: she just went and cleaned out her account and got
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: straight out o.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Her money, her account has still had money in it.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. With the better understanding of the timeline leading up
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: to Bethany's disappearance, they bring in their two main suspects
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: question them. They start with Bethany's husband, Emil. I don't
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: know did they call him and make him come back
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: from Afghanistan?
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: They didn't really, they glossed over that. So I don't
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: know how that. Did they have Zoom back then? Yeah,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: in twenty eleven, I mean they had you were able
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: they didn't have Zoom.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if it was Zoom, but they
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: had pay Microsoft teams.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, So they start by talking to Emil. He tells
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: police that the last time that he saw Bethany was
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: that evening that they had the pizza dinner, which would
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: have been the Friday before she went missing. He did
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: say that after she stormed out, he did follow her
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: and they met up at a gas station where he
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: helped her put some air in her tire. Now, this
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: is this does match up with what they found on
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: her vehicle. One of the tires was flat, So he
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: seems to be completely It seems to things seem to
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: be falling in place with what he's saying, he admits
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: to arguing with her that night, wanting her to move
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: out of the apartment that she moved in with her boyfriend,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: and that she needed to make this decision quickly because
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: he was leaving back to go to go back to
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Afghanistan in seventy hours because he only had this short
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: leave that he was granted. I guess to come home
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and try to I don't know if they do. Do
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: they do that if you have.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Problems, well, sometimes you can get like a hardship thing
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: to go sort out some affairs. We had a guy
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: that had an issue with his wife when he was
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: in Japan and she was there was issues with the wife.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: She was kind of dependent on other people to take
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: care of her.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: So when you're saying she needed people to take care
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: of her, she was mentally slow. She was slower, so
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: she but they had children.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: And she that didn't happen.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: So didn't she had children, Okay.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Coming into it. And then whenever he deployed the Iwa
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Kooney or whatever base over there in Japan he was
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: at I think it was Iwakuhony, she was unable to
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: take care of herself. I had to send a bunch
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: of marines over from the shop to go clean her house.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: They pulled like fifteen bags of trash out of the house,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: food wrappers and all kinds of stuff.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Were the children.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know the kid was. He didn't really bathe himself.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: He was kind of a nasty purse.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Oh the guy in the Marine corps. Yes, Oh, okay,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: let's move on this. This sounds like a terrible story.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: It was a terrible story. I mean I wasn't involved, well,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: because they had it. I was deployed at the time,
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: and I heard about it after the fact. Thank god
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I wasn't there because I wouldn't want to deal with that.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, maybe because he had a child and stuff
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: that they allowed him to come over here and try
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: to What.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: I'm saying is they did let him come back off
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: his deployment because of the hardship. Is where that story
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: would finally land if I would have finished it.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, So he got some sort of leaf for seventy
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: two hours and had to go back. So he says
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: that the last time he saw Bethany, Uh, that was
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: the last time that he saw Bethany, and that she
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: never came and saw him at the airport, which again
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I guess he was expecting her maybe to do that
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: because I think she was kind of playing both sides
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: or still she'll still going back and forth on what
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: she should do. So her friends whenever she didn't he
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: didn't go, she didn't go to the airport. She just
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: they all thought, oh, she's just made her decisions. She's done. So.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Investigators were unable to verify an alibi for a Meal,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: but they had no other evidence pointing to him doing
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: this except for being upset that obviously his wife is
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: now leaving him for another man.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: And he didn't want the relationship to hand.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: No, he was not This was not his at all.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: What he wanted. He wanted them to stay together and
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: you know, have their child and all that stuff.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: After the interview, emial investigators bring in Ronald for questioning.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: During questioning, Ronald tells police that he does not know
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: what happened to Bethany, but the last time that he
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: saw her, she was moving out of the apartment. He
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: told police that her family had been pushing Bethany to
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: leave him and go back with a Meal. It all
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: came to a head at that dinner that night, and
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: that's when Bethany came back to the apartment, told Ronald
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: she needed to move out so she could have some
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: space and time to think about what she would like
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: to do. While he was sad that they were breaking up,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: he did not think it was permanent and that they
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: would be getting back together because she had told him
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: she wanted to leave a meal, but he felt it
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: was just the family pressure causing this uncertainty at this time,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: but eventually Ronald would get the girl. Ronald tells investigators
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: that the last time he saw her was that Saturday afternoon,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: and when she left, she was in a good mood
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: and he believed he would be, like we said, seeing
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: her again very soon. They questioned him about the whole
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: apartment being empty, and he said that after a few
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: days of not hearing from her, he started to feel
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: that maybe she was needing more time, so he went
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: ahead and moved out of the apartment as well. During
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: this interview, the police also discovered that Bethany was about
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: five months pregnant with Ronald's child, which caused even more
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: confusion for Bethany. Ronald said he was excited about the
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: baby and this new life that they would be starting together.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I was learning this. Investigators were even more concerned that
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Ronald didn't seem very upset about Bethany being missing since
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: she was carrying his unborn child. He just said that
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: he assumed she'd be back and he didn't know where
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: she could be, and that they didn't have any other
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: issues besides what he had already spoken to police about. However,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: when investigators spoke to people who knew the couple, they
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: said that Ronald was actually very possessive and he struggled
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: with alcohol use. Unfortunately, they still did not have enough
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: evidence to hold Ronald, so they had to let him
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: go about his merry way.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, after speaking to Ronald, they did speak to Milligan
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: to ask him about Bethany's pregnancy, and he told police
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: that he was aware that she was pregnant with Ronald's child,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: but he was planning to work that out with her
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: so they could stay together and be a family. This
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: sounded all time to police because he knew about this
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: and was just seemed to be okay with it. But
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: from what I understand, from what I understand is email
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: was just like a good guys from what a good
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: guy from what I could tell, like he just wanted
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: this family to work out, and he was willing to
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: put aside a lot of bullshit, a lot yes, So
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Emil agreed to take a polygraph test and passed. Ronald, however,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: became agitated with all of the interviews, all the questions,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and he just kind of stopped speaking to police altogether.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Investigators did still have the Facebook messages which they believe
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: were sent by the person who took or harmed Bethany. However,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: due to the technology back then, they were unable to
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: trace the IP address back to a specific computer.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: That'd be the Internet protocol number there Karen.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, thank you for that.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: You're welcome, all right.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: So investigators did continue to look into other possibilities, possibly
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: of stranger reduction, but there just wasn't any pointing to that. Again,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: stranger abductions to are very few and far between. They
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: really felt like it came down to either the husband
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: or the boyfriend having done something to her.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: With no physical evidence blood or DNA, eyewitnesses to the case,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: or eyewitnesses to the case, it went cold for many years.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Bethany's family continued to try to get her name out
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: there into the public by doing interviews and passing out flyers,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: but nothing ever came of this. In twenty fourteen that
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: received a huge break in the case, investigators found out
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: about a woman in Pinehurst, North Carolina, named Vicki Willoughby.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: She had been taken an attack by her boyfriend. The
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: boyfriend had tried to strangle her, breaking bones in her neck.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: She also had bruising and bite marks and scrapes on
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: her body. It was a very aggressive attack. And how
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: it led back to Bethany's case was that the boyfriend's
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: name was Ronald Roldan. That's a hard name.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they were thinking with that because
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: it's the same letters, just rearranged.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: What do you call that? Whenever you can move the I.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Don't remember sto Internet protocol.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Internet part Investigators from Virginia drive over to see Vicky
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: in the hospital and she tells police that whatever, whenever
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: she met Ronald, he was a very nice guy, very attentive.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: But as the relationship as they all are at the beginning, ladies,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: you got to watch them. They're sneaky and then all.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Of a sudden, I just want to go outside and
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: take care of the pool and do yard work, and.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I'm Okay, with that, you can leave me alone to
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: watch my hannahs Winson.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Mysteries, your cozy murders.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm into I've moved it back into my Hallmark
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: movies and mysteries. Pase. So I was watching the hand.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I used to love to read those books by Joey
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: and Fluke, the Hannah s Winson Mysteries where it was
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: like based on like a recipe each book was it
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: is a mystery. They're cozy mysteries.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: They're cozy. Getting back to our case. As the relationship progressed,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: evidently Ronald became more and more possessive and she finally
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: decided to leave him, and that's when Ronald snapped and
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: attacked her.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I heard another They summarized it a lot in
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: the episode, but what I read online is she actually
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: left him and moved to another apartment and he followed
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: her to this other city in this new apartment.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: End that's when he attacked her. Yes, so it wasn't like, hey,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: I'm leaving you. And then the attack he made a
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: selling he premeditated. Yes attack.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Then it was worse than what.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: The series led on to the documentaries. Yes, Vicki tells
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: police that after he attacked her, she was able to
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: reach for a small gun in her couch cushion that
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: she actually had stashed there, and she shot him twice
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: in the stomach. However, these were not life threatening injuries,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: and he was able to grab the gun from her.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: He was able to shoot her multiple times, including once
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: in the head, and then he told her I made
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: one girlfriend disappear, I can make another one disappear. When
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Ronald left the room to make a phone call, how
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: do you just like attempted murder somebody and you're like, oh, hey,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I got to take this call.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I want to know who he was calling. Was
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: it somebody to come help?
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know. She was able to escape the home
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: at the time. Thankfully, Vicky was able to survive her
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: attack and let police know what happened to her. She
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: did lose one of her eyes due to the attack.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Now here's the thing. She probably had a little twenty two.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: They showed a picture, or they showed in the reenactment.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: It looked like a really small little gun.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Yes, get a thirty eight a nine milimes.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Or so with the bullets that explode.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean you can get the critical duty rounds. Yes,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: that'll punch a hole, a little hole going in, huge
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: hole coming out the back. But if you're going to
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: try and protect yourself with a twenty two, I mean
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: that's only good for squirrels and birds if they're attacking you.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: All right, Investigators, that stew's the more you know, the
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: more you grow.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: The more you know, the less you get your gun
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: taken away and shot with your own gun.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's not try to make her. She did,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: she tried to.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: I get it. I'm just saying for future reference, anybody
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: a gun is not always uh a gun. Sometime sometimes
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: it's just a little pupil.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: But you hear about the ones getting shot with twenty
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: twos and surviving all the time, Like people take him
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: to try to murder people like intentionally. It's like that
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: was the wrong gun to try this.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Well, that's cruel. That's just cruel. Somebody out to get
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: extra years for trying to kill somebody with a twenty two.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: All right, So investigators now know that Ronald was the
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: one to cause Bethany's disappearance, like obviously he's a terrible
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: human being, but they still at this point, at this point,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: did not have a body, and they still lacked any
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: physical evidence to tie him to the murder. The only
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: good thing was Ronald is now going to be put
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: away for a while due to this attack on VICKI,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: so they have some time to try to uncover evidence
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: to tie him to Bethany's disappearance. Now he's going to
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: be put away for a while, but not that long.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I was distracted when you were
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: talking about how they were interviewing Ronald, and.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, and I was watching you raise your phone the
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: whole time. You're TikTok on over there or something.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: No, I was looking up information. There is a dateline
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: episode I guess about this. So, so I don't know
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: if they have any more insight into the dynamics. I
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: think I think what they said was the child was
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: living with the mother, the mom, Bethany's mom anyways, what
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: and then they were they were saying that Emil was
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: a really good dad and the son now lives with
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: the dad, like, yes, he came back and.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: He yeah, we got that from this episode.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What I was gonna say is it was so
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I think the police really did a disservice because the
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: whole thing about Ronald moving out of that apartment was weird,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: was a sign of something out of there? Well, I
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: mean just that's a weird thing to do when you
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: have a pregnant And there's also controversy as to whether
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: that baby was Ronald's or Emil's that oh, because we're
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: that she's pregnant with currently.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know, because I don't know when he deployed.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: If he deployed six months previous to this and she's
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: five months.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Pay Some say it's the some say it's what could
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: have been his, and then some say it could have
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: been Ronald's. But I think it was more Ronald's likely
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: based on well, based on the timing and everything like that.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Originally when they put it on the news, I think
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: they said it was the meal guy. But then they
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: kind of had to like and.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: They did the math and looked at the calendar. Yeah, nope.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Anyway, so we are where where was I? So, like
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I said, he's going to be put away, but we'll
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: talk about a minute. He didn't get put away for
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: that long. Now, with the progression of technology, they try
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: those Facebook messages again to see if they can find
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: the IP address or where they came from and this
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: time they were successful. They were able to tie them
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: to a laptop that was found at Ronald's mother's home,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: and I guess at the time they must have wenten.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: They said that they had the laptop, so I'm guessing
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: they were.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: It was in evidence the whole time.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm guessing they Yeah, because.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Some have laptop o ale and you would think would
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: get tossed in the garbage can at some point.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: So I think at some point they did must have
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: had sir to warrants to go get some of these
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: items from where Ronald was living, because I don't know
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: if he moved back in with his mother afterwards or
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: what happened. Now in twenty twenty, after just after serving
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: just six years for the attempted murder.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Of VICKI well, it sounds like first degree attempted murder. Yes,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: that's because he took a plea deal on that one.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, he took a plea deal, so he only got
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: he got six to eight years and somehow got out
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: at six. He was actually scheduled to be deported back
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: to Bolivia because he was from Bolivia. However, the Lowden
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: County Sheriff's Department brought four charges for Bethany's disappearance and
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: brought him back to Virginia. After getting him to Virginia,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: they then upgraded the charges to murder. However, they still
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: did not have a body. Oh, I realized I was
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: supposed to stop reading, you were supposed to start.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Probably yes, And this time Ronald saw that there was
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: no way out of this. He saw the handwriting on
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: the wall. He was either going to be deported or
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: found guilty. So he decided to take a plead well, and.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: It seemed to work out last time for him. He
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: was only in jail for six years.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: For God's sake, I mean, it's ridiculous for attempted first
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: degree murder. Under this plea deal, he would agree to
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: second degree murder charges, which come with a forty year
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: maximum sentence. However, under this plea deal, he would only
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: have to serve twelve and a half years, and after
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: that we assume he would then be deported back to Beliza.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: So I'm assuming he's still on the list to be deported.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: If he was going to be deported previously, I would
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: hope that they worked that out in his part of
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: the plea deals. You have to get the fuck out
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: of here. Okay, we don't want.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: You can't be run around killing people.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Not in the US at least, I mean, that's olivious.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Part of this plea agreement is that he has
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: to come clean and explain what happened to Bethany, which.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Is exactly throws in the face of what they Everyone
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: was like, Oh, they never make the in the Brian
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Coburger case, for they never make them say are required
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: to say what they did? Or that's never part of
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: the plea deal? Apparently it is, apparently, but it is.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: But as we find out and this one, sometimes whenever they're.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: They just lie and say what they want, to.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Make shit up and try and make themselves look not
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: too bad.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: So Ronald tells authorities that Bethany and him had an
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: argument that day about her taking another shift at work.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, that was it. Yes, thank god, I want to
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: watch TV with you tonight. You can't go to work,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: so I'm just gonna so we're gonna argue.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, they got into a fight, and he says that
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: he pushed her and her head struck the windowsill and
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: she fell to the ground. Now, when he went to
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: go check on her, she was not moving and she
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: was not breathing.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, he said he stuck his fingers under her nose.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's how he checked for a pulse or whatever,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: was sticking his fingers under her nose. I mean, at
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: least get a mirror and see if there's some.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Some Yes, or maybe Ronald was just bullshitting.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do more than that whenever I'm trying to
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: check and make sure the children are alive randomly in
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: do I do I check if you're alive anymore?
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Well? He yelled at me the other day that you
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: thought I was dead.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah I did. I don't check if you're breathing, though,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I just scream at you, what the fuck's wrong with you?
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Not while I'm sleeping? And you say you check my
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: pulse every now and then, while I no, I don't.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: You don't anymore, No if I'm breathing or whatever.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well there was no question about that because you
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: used to snore so bad. I used to try to
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: kill you by closing your nostrils. Wow, little did I know?
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: You had sleep at me and I really couldn't be
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: taking you out.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you just let me go out and I eventually died.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: High blood pressure or coronarya event or something.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: All right, so where where are we? Oh so he's
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: she's not breathing because he put his fingers under nose.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: So instead of calling all this is bullshit. That's why
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: we're laughing through this whole story, this part of the story,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: because this is not.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: What happened at all. Ronald's full of ship.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so instead of calling on one, he wrapped her
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: body in a Christmas tree disposal bag that was given
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: to them by their apartment complex and threw in the
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: trash compactor, which is really disturbing.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he just discarded her with a five month six
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: month old fetus at this time.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like he's that part. I'm pretty sure
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: he did. But he did not. He did not just
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: push her and and she just would because they said
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: there was no blood evidence or anything at the scene,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: what had been cleaned up. He probably did the same
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: thing he did to Vicky. He was trying to choke
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: her to death. He probably strangled Bethany and then disposed
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: of her body.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: She either said I'm confused, I don't know what I
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: want to do, or she was like, I'm going to
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: get back together with my my husband, and that's what
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: we're going to do, and then he got angry and
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: then he he went and he choked her, smashed her
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: head or something.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Well, no, they're saying that they didn't have any blood evidence,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: so I think she he probably did what he did
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: with VICKI or whatever. But what I understand is they
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: didn't go check this. What I feel like there was
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: some some flaws the investigators.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Well, they just saw that there was nothing. They didn't
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: say that they they examined the apartment for anything.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Well, no, they searched the apartment, but it was empty
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: and they looked for well.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they went through there with a
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: black light looking for blood evidence or clean up of
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: blood over.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Well, if they didn't, then they really they really missed
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: the boat. They also, I don't know if they came
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: back and did it years later, because by the time
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: this all happened, this was twelve years later that they
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: got him. But also, why didn't they go check the
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: trash and the trash compactor. The trash compactor, even though
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: it had been three weeks, it is a compactor, so
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: it may not have been emptied yet.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised nobody complained about the smell I guess if
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: it wasn't a bag though, or.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Maybe he didn't even dispose of her that way, it
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: could all be lies. The whole thing is that how
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: he did it his all.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: He seems like an idiot, so he would have had
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: to do something. I don't think he could have moved
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: a body without getting caught.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: He didn't seem like the No, it didn't seem very bright. Now,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: investigators did not believe his story because.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Like I said, there was no we don't believe his story.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody believes him anyways, but there's not really much
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: they can do. He took a plea deal. He's in
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: jail until this was twenty twenty three, So he's in
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: jail till twenty thirty five ish and then hopefully he
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: gets deported. That's all we can hope for. So he
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: was a terrible person is and he's gonna end up
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: killing somebody else. I mean, if there's anybody that should
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: not be walking free ever again.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: It's it's this fucking clown here. Yes, so oh, Ronald
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: roll Rondall.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Ronald roll roll Dan roll down. And then what was
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: I gonna say?
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, the son he lives with his father now so
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: that's good.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Once they he was able to get out because he
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: was still like people looked at him sideways, like, oh yeah,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: he under.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was under a cloud of suspicion his whole
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: all this whole time.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were like, yeah, did he do it? Did
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: he not do it? Should he have a kid? Should
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: he not?
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Should he even have this child? Should it? I'm
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: sure he got looks all the time about it and
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: had to deal with it. But the I guess they
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: didn't really say if the family, her family thought he
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: did it, but I don't think they did, because they
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: said that they had to they wanted to keep a
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: relationship with the child. Obviously the mom did so well.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Even if they did suspect him of doing something, they
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: weren't gonna they were going to keep the relationship going.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: So if they could have access to the ground.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody ever came out and emphatically from her side.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Maybe they did in the Dateline episode, but in this one,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: nobody was. The mom was interviewed a lot and she
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: never was like we knew he would never have done this,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: and it's like nobody said that.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: No, Yeah, nobody said that. They were just like, oh yeah,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: the mom was like, yeah, finally, after all this time,
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: he was relieved that he was no longer under under
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: any suspicion of doing this.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: All right, well that's our case this week. Don't come
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: at me please about how I was negative. It's not
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: that I was just negative about.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Why are you worried about it?
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know why, because I don't want to get
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: angry emails due okay, well angry comments.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not only going to raise their comments.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying she seemed like she seemed like a
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: nice girl that was trying to get her life together.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: She was, she was going to school full time and everything.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I think she just got married really young. She had
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: this responsibility, this child that she was now taking care
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: of by herself, and it was just too much. The
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  Speaker 2: only thing is like, is she I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: her relationship was like staying in the child's life, like
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: going to visit her mom with the child. But I
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: don't know how far Fredericksburg is from fred or ricks
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Fredericksburg from where were they at? I forgot what the
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  Speaker 2: town Louden loud No, that's Louden County.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't, Yeah, I don't recall.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways, do you have your yeall need Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I do. Came to us from miss Miss Allison
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  Speaker 3: Skidmore coming to us. Let me see does it say?
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't say the name of the town, so we'll
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  Speaker 3: just go here. GAB News Kara Scott Harper, reporting July sixteenth,
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five report singing chiildren's songs are not illegal.
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  Speaker 3: A man called nine one one because his neighbor repeatedly
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  Speaker 3: sang a children's song. A Georgetown County Sheriff's Office incident
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  Speaker 3: report states it happened around five pm on July sixth
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  Speaker 3: on Caraway Drive in the Pleasant Hill area. A sixty
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: seven year old man said his forty three year old
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  Speaker 3: neighbor was outside singing Row Row Row your boat.
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  Speaker 2: His forty three year old neighbor, yes, he.
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  Speaker 3: Was singing it out loud near their property line. Now
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  Speaker 3: I apologize to everybody. It's going to have this earwig,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: this little earworm in their head for the next twenty
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  Speaker 3: four hours of row row your boat gently down the stream.
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  Speaker 3: The complaint said that they had recently had a harassment
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  Speaker 3: charge and restraining order against the neighbor, so the forty
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  Speaker 3: year old is forty three year old, is Evan dently
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  Speaker 3: doing some weird shit over there, or maybe the sixty
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  Speaker 3: seven year old has just got a bug up his
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  Speaker 3: ass and they filed a complaint against the neighbor. He
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  Speaker 3: also said that the singing started at around five pm.
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  Speaker 3: The deputy asked the man if the neighbor ever stepped
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  Speaker 3: foot on his property or anything other than singing out loud.
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  Speaker 3: The man said no. The deputy told the man singing
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  Speaker 3: out loud on your own property during the early evening
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  Speaker 3: hours was not against the law. So Kara, Yes, if
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  Speaker 3: you want to go outside and sing a row row
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  Speaker 3: your boat in the early evening hours, you can do it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's good.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, as far as I know in Midland, it's
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  Speaker 3: not a crime either.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've been singing Taylor Swift, you know, at the
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  Speaker 2: top of my lungs, and.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it's in the pool. Sounds like somebody's
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  Speaker 3: making a cat got Tennis Rackett around here?
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  Speaker 2: Are you talking about me or Taylor Swift.
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  Speaker 3: Singing tomato tomato?
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  Speaker 2: We didn't even talk about Taylor Swift's new albums.
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  Speaker 3: However, since there is a history of harassment of Kara,
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  Speaker 3: harassing me. The deputy agreed to document the incident. I
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  Speaker 3: advised the complaintant that I would patrol. I would put
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  Speaker 3: a patrol watch for their property for the next couple
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  Speaker 3: of weeks. The report stays, So we have resources, police
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  Speaker 3: resources going to a property to make sure somebody is
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  Speaker 3: not harassing the neighbor with children's tunes.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he shouldn't be singing row row your boat. Why not,
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  Speaker 2: because that's creepy.
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  Speaker 3: You think he was actually just trying to annoy his neighbor.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe, yes, Why else would you have grown an ass
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  Speaker 2: adult sing rorow.
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  Speaker 3: Row your boat out there at the property line five pm? Yes,
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  Speaker 3: I mean if somebody was doing that here at our house,
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't know because I'm inside.
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  Speaker 2: This is true.
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  Speaker 3: And if they were doing it while I was outside,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: I would just turn up the radio some more so
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: that I didn't have to hear it.
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  Speaker 2: This is true. But we haven't annoyed our neighbors enough
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  Speaker 2: for them to want to intentionally do this. Test. No,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to agitate anybody that knows where I live.
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  Speaker 2: I try hard about that, except for that one guy
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  Speaker 2: that parked behind me or driveway that one time.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, you wanted to go out there and get in
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: an argument with a drunk guy who had a breathalyzer
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  Speaker 3: in his jeep and he couldn't start his jeep to leave.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we should have called the police on him, but
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: then he would have known where we lived.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Yes, he would have known who called the police.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So I was just reading a few things, and
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I also found out from this case. Apparently this changes
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: things a little bit too. Bethany and the husband went
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: to on a vacation to Hawaii, nice leading up to
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  Speaker 2: the day the day that they had the big that
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  Speaker 2: she got up at the family dinner and left and
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: that was the last time he saw her. So he
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: takes her to Hawaii and then she stills like whatever,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Like they go to Hawaii and they're still having problems
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: when they come back. So anyways, that might open up
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: reason more like why the boyfriend was gonna so.
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  Speaker 3: He took his five month old pregnant wife to Hawaii
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  Speaker 3: to try and rekindle the relationship.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but I don't know whose baby it was. It's
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: all very convolution it is it is. So I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: how does that change the story. I just was. I
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  Speaker 2: just found that out.
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  Speaker 3: You think that's why Ronald was upset that she just
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: bailed and went to Hawaii.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he snapped on her and me, like,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: she went to Hawaii without me and this is my
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: baby and he.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Should have told me. I would have got a ticket.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: It would have been all three of us together. Whatever
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  Speaker 3: they call that plural arrangement.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, you're no, it's called it's not plural. It's called
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  Speaker 2: uh polyamory, Okay, I don't know. It's different than polygamy.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Polygamy is like a person, usually a man, married to
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: multiple wives, but the wives don't have they don't all
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  Speaker 2: have relationships with each other. Polyamory is like when you
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: have a group that's living as like a as a
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  Speaker 2: thrupple or something like that, and they're all like there's
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: a sharing.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Of yes, part of it monogamous hair, and then monogos
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  Speaker 3: with the other guy.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's like I think it's like they can
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  Speaker 2: swap like the maybe there's two men and two women
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  Speaker 2: and they'll like maybe this was a couple and that
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  Speaker 2: was a couple, and then they might swap. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I think this would be.
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  Speaker 3: Like a throuple. Before we get comments, I don't, I
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  Speaker 3: don't I don't need to know anything about.
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