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Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles REPLAY 082126 - Joe Stack to the Fourteenth Amendment: Unpacking Power and Presumption · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

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  Unknown: Oh, here we go. Here can.
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  Unknown: You know a theme song? How
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  about stealing the wheel?
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  I can do a little review. Clams to the left of me, jokers to the right. Here I am. Here
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  Unknown: we all are, Chris.
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  Yeah, those old familiar lyrics were kind of walking on em today and of course, it's a Tuesday and it's the nineteenth. Chris Cave obviously is on with us already. Y'all heard a little his dialogue there in the background. Roger Sales here on the other end. Your your modern day abolitionist.
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  That's right.
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  Except you know, we all our big differences, we try and free all the races.
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  Here at the Radio Ranch on the People's Patriot Network
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  and
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  gosh, it's there's a lot going on, man. I tell you, it's a heck of a time to be alive right here as we start out this morning, Chris and
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  the price of gold
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  is just a smidge below $13.04
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  of 40.
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  So,
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  it's the highest it's been in a while and they're not fighting it today
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  which is very interesting but usually as it goes up like that, they're knocking it down and that's not happening this morning
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  and the price of of the let's see when I looked earlier, let me do a refresh here and get the latest.
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  When I looked earlier,
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  the Dow was down 21 and gold had spiked up. Now, gold is they just knocked gold down a little bit
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  and let's see in the market.
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  It's still just down 32 points or something. So,
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  anyway, that's how we're going to start off the day. There's a lot of geopolitical
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  things happening of great import.
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  I was sure hoping, you know, you said you tried to call in yesterday and I didn't see your call
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  but
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  to come in
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  to my board where I see people trying to access us and wanna be added.
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  It's how we have to do today. You can't just access us, Chris. I have to add you. So
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  I didn't see that yesterday.
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  Usually, I would told him right before the show if if I didn't hear from Chris two days in a row, I'm generally concerned
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  because they may have run you off into some other cubbyhole over there in Clark County.
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  Unknown: It's certainly a plausible consideration.
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  I appreciate the interest in my welfare because
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  I don't think they have my true welfare at their hearts,
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  black hearts.
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  Unknown: No. No. No. There's a lot of black heart operations going on. There's few things I want to talk about today.
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  One, Venezuela
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  and and discuss some information. I didn't know till I read some of these articles. I damn well guarantee y'all didn't know it and don't and
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  throw a whole new
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  wrinkle on that little situation that seems to be accelerating.
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  The other thing was
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  Brent sent me last week a guy. You know who Colonel Wilkerson is?
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  Chris, you probably seen him and just maybe not be able to identify him. He used to be Colin Powell's chief of staff guy.
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  Unknown: Oh,
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  on the Condoleezza Rice.
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  Unknown: Well, no. Condoleezza Rice wasn't his
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  colon pals. I'll add Shane here, chief of staff. This guy is a real good guy. Okay?
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  And he's a professor and the head of a couple of
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  military colleges and he speaks very frankly
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  and he's not an Israeli
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  apologist
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  and so anyway, I've seen him before. I know who he is. I like the way he speaks and what he says and
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  last week, right before the show,
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  Brent sent me
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  a video talk of his and so I was watching it.
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  Pretty impressed as always and
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  there on the right, it was at a confab in DC
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  and a pretty big confab and as over on the right on YouTube where they got correlated videos listed,
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  I just started looking through some of those and I've been enthralled with it for the last couple of days. It's a pretty big and they do this evidently annually and I think I've seen a couple of years of different
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  different ones but
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  it's a lot of people honestly getting up, Chris, and talking honestly, straightforwardly,
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  and forthrightly
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  about this Israel situation
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  and what's happened and the history and all the nuclear stuff they've stolen and all the political stuff they do and all these other intrigues that they're constantly at the center of, right?
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  Well, one of em I watched last night was a guy
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  very,
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  I mean, you know, I I don't have a a hatred for all Jews.
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  I've had some of the closest friends in my life have been Jewish and their their ethnicity has some real their comedy and their stick comedy and all that stuff. Well, this guy that they have as a panelist on this obviously,
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  let's expose Israel
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  day long seminar
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  in DC and
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  this guy's I think his name was Gideon Levy
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  and he is if the last name may be wrong, I believe it's right. I know his first name was Gideon and
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  he did an hour long talk, Chris. He's one of the
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  really well known
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  journalists,
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  editorialists
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  at Haritz
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  and he's extremely critical of Israel.
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  He doesn't catch any flack over there if you try and criticize Israel over here. You get, you know, it's it's
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  pitiful, man.
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  Unknown: And well, he's real funny. One of the things he said is he said,
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  the only country in the world where Trump is loved is Israel which is not totally correct and he said, the only country in the world where Netanyahu is loved is The United States.
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  I just thought it was real funny.
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  Unknown: He had a good sense of humor but
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  I I was really encouraged to see so many people, several of em Jewish
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  get up there and start pointing fingers and and calling Zionism out because that's what we're dealing with. We're not dealing with the Jewish people. We're dealing with the Zionist political movement, masquerading and encompassing
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  the Jewish people and giving us that
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  that equivocation.
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  Instead of, you know, they mix em together here where you can't separate the two and then they play on one of them for their sympathies and their defense. So that was real interesting to me and I wanted to talk about it a little bit.
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  Unknown: Well, I certainly
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  agree with you. In fact, your observation
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  that many of the so called self claimed to be Jews, may not actually be or more likely other tribes,
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  but
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  their proclivity and many of them have true hearts of truth like the fellow Gideon Levi or Levy that you were speaking about. And we have to admire those because they are some of the best artisans,
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  artists,
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  singers,
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  dancers,
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  Al Jolson for one.
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  You know, you can go back in time, and these people are wonderful
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  jewelry craftsman or jewelry
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  craftsman.
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  They do wonderful things on the planet.
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  And, you know, we all and they're they're light and skin color like we are, so it's difficult to tear them apart a lot of time except for some of their particular
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  physiognomic
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  nomenclatures
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  that we so love them for.
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  But,
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  really,
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  Zionism is a cult. It's not a religion. It's a political cult. It's a it's a political cult. It has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with an agenda. Political agenda will bring the nation. That's right and it's also important to know that not all Zionists are Jews and not all Jews are Zionists.
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  Unknown: So, anyway, that's the issue that we, of course, deal with all the time because the
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  bad element of that is pretty much what's done
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  what we try to undo
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  here
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  as the modern day abolitionist,
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  Chris.
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  Unknown: Don't you love that? I like that. Yeah, it's got a ring to it, doesn't it? He's got a ring to you. He's got this just just
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  Unknown: it I started thinking about it when
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  Daryl sent me that site here a couple of weeks ago. That quote from
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  I think it was Harriet Beecher Stowe and you know, I've mentioned it a couple times on the program here in our conversations and
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  that being that I've, she said, I freed a thousand slaves
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  and I could have freed thousands
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  more if they only knew
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  they were slaves.
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  Unknown: Very salient.
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  Unknown: Very profound, isn't it? Hey, do you know that yesterday along with President's Day,
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  it was being President's Day. It was also
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  Joe's Joe Stack Day, Chris.
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  Unknown: Guess that fact that had picked my observations.
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  Unknown: You, did you miss Joe Stack Day yesterday?
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  I
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  saw this article yesterday. I pulled it up. I remember this. Many of you will.
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  It's quite intriguing and it's perplexing to them and it's very much like a telltale to us. You know, I've mentioned what a telltale
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  is in sailing in nautical terms before.
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  Joe Stack on
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  February
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  18,
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  he was 53 years old at the time. This was what was the year?
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  I don't know if it gives the year right off.
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  Was the guy that was a small businessman
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  in, I think it was Austin or was it Fort Worth, Dallas?
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  And he took his private plane, rode a suicide note,
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  went up, and flew it into the IRS Building there in
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  Chris, are you moving I don't know that. What's what's going on? You're moving around or what? I'm getting some ambient noise from there.
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  Unknown: Well, I'm hearing the Oh,
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  Unknown: Shane's joining.
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  Alright. Yeah.
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  Hold on. I gotta call Thomas back here. He's gonna join us. That was you, Shane.
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  What's that? What did I do? I think there was some
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  ambient noise in the background there. No. No. I'm moved. Okay, you're not you're. Chris is is echoing.
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  Chris is echoing. Yeah, there's a little funkiness on his connection. We're going to get Thomas here in a second should join us and we'll see what his connection's like today.
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  We were talking a little bit here about Joe Stack. I think that probably gets him right there. Thomas, is that you added in?
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  That is me, brother. Okay, your connection sounds pretty good today. We were talking about this is in your neck of the woods, Thomas.
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  Do you know yesterday along with Presidents Day was Joe Stack Day?
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  Unknown: I didn't know that. Who is Joe Stack? Well, he was a Texan.
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  I thought you got you Texans all knew each other.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Well Yeah. People used to ask me that same question when I worked for Brown and Root back in the seventies and eighties. Hey, you know so and so?
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  Unknown: And there's a million, there was a million people working for Brown and Root at the time. I can imagine. I didn't know most of them. I can imagine. Well, Joe Stack, maybe you can help us remember this on the exact location because I didn't read this article closely enough but he was the guy. He was 53 at the time and on February 18,
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  oh he was in Austin.
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  He
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  wrote a note, went out and gotten his private plane, and flew it into the IRS Building.
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  Unknown: Oh, okay. I remember that guy. Yep. I remember the story. I didn't remember the name. Well, that's it. That's his name, Joe Stack and and you need it is interesting
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  Unknown: as this article points out in the fact that he's somewhat of an anomaly to them because he wasn't in any groups. He wasn't a high profile guy. He wasn't politically involved.
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  He just
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  absolutely
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  got so fed up
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  that he wrote this suicide note explaining this the damn oppressive federal government and all the going on and what they're doing to people and flew his plane into the IRS
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  symbolically
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  and physically.
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  So, yesterday, yesterday. Going,
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  alright, go ahead here. Go Chris,
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  what was your comment?
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  Unknown: I said he went out with a bang plane so to speak. He sure did. Thomas,
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  Unknown: and this represents to them the fact that
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  they're in a real dangerous position.
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  Unknown: Well, yeah. The the more
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  the more people get hyped up, the more they get hyped up, and it's going to come down to,
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  I'm pretty sure, massive bloodshed like we saw in Waco,
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  which was unnecessary in 2015
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  Unknown: and again in the nineteen nineties. You're not too far from Waco, are you?
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  Unknown: I'm
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  50 miles
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  Southeast
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  of Waco.
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  Unknown: Okay.
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  Unknown: And about the same from Mount Carmel
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  where David Koresh's compound was at where he
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  was lied about over and over and over on the propaganda machine, otherwise known as the What?
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  News stations.
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  Unknown: Why don't we rephrase that and say where his church was at rather than his compound?
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  Unknown: Well, that's what I meant.
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  And and it was
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  I
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  had a friend go over there and talk to the locals in Mount Carmel where this happened,
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  and they said they couldn't have found a better person in the community.
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  Yeah. I think he spoke to several people.
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  Unknown: You know, I I nitpick on that, Thomas, not to pick on you, but to
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  emphasize on how important it is, all of the words that we use,
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  and one of the sayings that I came up with years ago, I think you'll appreciate, because you're fairly new to this,
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  not totally wet behind the ears, but fairly new, okay,
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  is that sticks and stones can break my bones. Remember that?
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  Oh, yeah. Sticks and stones can break my bones but words can just enslave me.
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  Unknown: Yes, sir. And that's what it is. That's exactly what it is. Words, people don't understand.
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  Unknown: Yep.
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  The word is a skin. And they'll fight you.
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  As Carl Martin. They fight you over the course. Yeah, they will and they don't know what they're talking about almost exclusively
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  is my experience.
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  I wanted to talk about something today though which is because I've done a little reading over the weekend and gotten a little insight. I listened to a very very
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  articulate,
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  articulate,
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  but I can't
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  even say it. Articulate and
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  objective interview of the
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  Secretary of State of Venezuela by
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  a one of these truthful first
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  news or new news or true news kind of things.
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  It's quite enlightening
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  as to me about what is happening next door to me.
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  Okay? And how these guys work.
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  They have obviously had their eye on Venezuela
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  for a long time. We'll get to the real reasons for that in a minute,
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  but they've been brewing with this plan, I'm sure, and tried a couple of times to get Maduro out of there.
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  And now what they've done is they took some kind of junior parliamentarian
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  and they've declared him the president because they're saying the last elections in Venezuela
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  were not democratic.
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  Okay, so that's all we've gotten from
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  pretty much the news if any of you have followed this to any extent,
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  alright?
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  Well, here's the backstory
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  on it.
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  The real prize
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  is not the huge oil deposits
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  in Orincino,
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  I think it's called. I've got the story, I can get all the names right if I want to go over there, but it's close. So the main
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  oil
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  that is a very heavy
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  oil,
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  it's very dirty, if you want to use oil terms, you're in the oil business, you'll probably know a little bit about this, Thomas. It's got a lot, real high sulfur content,
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  I guess, right?
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  There's
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  an area
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  that is the real reason that all of this is going on
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  that's
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  the area that's shared by three countries, Guyana
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  to the East,
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  Venezuela
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  to the West,
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  and Brazil
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  to the South.
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  It's been a contested area for decades,
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  and it's in that area
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  that they may have found the largest
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  deposit of sweet crude in the world.
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  What the deal is,
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  okay?
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  Unknown: Now Guyana
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  Unknown: has already started drilling and has found another big field offshore
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  there on land,
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  and they've got the Chinese
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  as one of their
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  corporate drilling partners involved
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  in it, and the Venezuelans
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  are heavily indebted to the Chinese already,
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  and have been doing business with them.
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  So that's the situation that's really shaping up over there that nobody's talking talking about is this land that's in dispute
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  and has been under the UN's direction.
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  It's been under dispute for twenty, thirty, forty years,
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  okay?
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  So that is interesting
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  in itself,
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  but how they're pulling this coup on Madura
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  is even more interesting.
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  Because of all these disputes,
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  they went to a
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  council out of Uruguay,
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  and they came up with a common agreement
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  that they were gonna all meet at the Dominican Republic with international mediators
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  and try and get this election situation
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  straightened out because of the demands
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  of this Guiano guy and his underlings,
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  obviously dick puppets
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  of The US and the international
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  oil people.
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  They call a conference
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  in the Dominican Republic,
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  the ex president of Spain is there, they showed clips on the interview of all the people that were there, and they decided
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  on a new date for the election and under whatever terms were being negotiated.
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  They all collectively
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  decide,
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  in the Dominican Republic,
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  on a new election date,
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  and as they get ready to the election date and everything is set up,
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  this guy that's The US puppet
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  and his bunch
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  back out
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  even though they've signed it.
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  So
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  now Maduro, all the wheels, the agreement's been made, it was signed, they went on, they have the election,
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  and now they're coming back and saying because all the parties weren't represented,
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  it wasn't a democratic election, wherein they're the ones that sabotage the damn thing from the start.
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  You see how these guys play?
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  Unknown: Oh, no. I I they would never do that.
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  Unknown: Okay. And that's exactly what's going on all that crap down there right now, and the reason for it is this disputed territory
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  between Brazil, Guyana, and Venezuela
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  with very possibly the world's largest
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  pool of sweet crude underneath there. Now, isn't that interesting?
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  Unknown: Very.
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  Unknown: And so what everybody in this continent is
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  aware of and they don't want is The US sending marines on the beaches of Venezuela
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  and getting a foothold on the whole continent.
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  So this is a pretty big deal, and as I read those articles this weekend and got that additional insight that I just went over with you guys and heard this thirty minute interview with this Venezuelan
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  ambassador.
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  He speaks English
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  and
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  he just laid the whole thing out, you know?
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  So, once again, it goes back to this control they've got and how these guys operate.
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  What I found interesting about that, because I'm a constant student of their methods,
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  either that you find out historically
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  or stuff just like this that's happening contemporarily,
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  and see their methods and how they pull this off.
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  They bring the other side in. Hey, let's have a treaty. Yeah, we'll agree to this. Yeah, we'll sign it and then at the last minute, when all the preparations and everything are made and it's right on the cusp of happening, they back out and then use their media to say and say fraud
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  when they're the ones that backed out of the whole deal. So it's just interesting on how they operate, and it gives you a little additional insight into why never to deal with these bastards and why it says over there in Revelation 18,
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  come out of her.
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  Come out of her.
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  Do not participate
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  in her plagues.
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  Unknown: Right.
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  Unknown: So, Thomas, you guys been exploring
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  the
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  the concept here, you tell me.
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  Unknown: Oh, yeah.
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  A gentleman contacted me on Facebook
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  oh about a week and a half or so ago. I guess it's been now.
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  His name is Michael Badnaric.
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  Oh, yes. And he moved to he moved to Texas, I wanna say in '89 or '98
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  and
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  just a
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  just a ball of excitement. The the the man is amazing. He's all over the place doing constitution
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  lessons, teaching people how due process works,
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  and he contacted me because he saw that I was doing the state citizen versus US citizen thing all over Facebook. It's kinda hard not to see what I do daily. Good. But I'm not out there like most people being radical
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  and wanting to I don't wanna fight this government because I don't believe we can win. They've got too much
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  power.
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  Unknown: Well, you don't have to fight them. You've already, if you file a paperwork with the Secretary of State, you already beat them.
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  And I hate to interrupt but let me also say that we just had another one of my good listeners and a friend of mine. I'd love proud to say. A Tex fellow Texan joining us. Hey, Ben. It's pretty rare we hear from you, brother.
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  Unknown: Well, Roger, I was, I heard you talking about Joe Stack and I wondered if you wanted some personal information on that event. Absolutely. If you've got some to proffer, we'd love to hear it.
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  I was at the time I was working about,
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  oh,
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  a ten minute top drive from the actual location where it happened.
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  Unknown: And the
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  Unknown: what was going on was the EMS
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  and the fire department were running a training drill across the the street from the actual
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  IRS building
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  as well as the feds were running a
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  training drill
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  within a few blocks and APD was running a training drill within two blocks of there. All at the same time. That's a pretty interesting scenario we hadn't heard about before.
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  Well, it was common knowledge around the area. It just never, you know, how this doesn't go out on the news.
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  Unknown: So, you're saying it was like a setup, false flag?
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  Unknown: Oh, I guarantee it.
• 26:38
  Not to mention, they never could find his plane was actually he kept it at the little airstrip in Lakeway, West Of Austin,
• 26:47
  and they could find no evidence of him ever coming out there
• 26:51
  opening up to
• 26:53
  and doing it his self anyway.
• 26:55
  So is he Apparently, the hangar had been left open and
• 26:59
  Unknown: all kinds of stuff like that. You think him and DB Cooper made it off to some island in the Pacific somewhere?
• 27:07
  Unknown: I have no idea what happened to Joe Stack.
• 27:11
  Hell, his body may have been in the plane. Who knows? But
• 27:16
  I'm just telling you some things I know for a fact because I actually drove past it on the way back to the shop
• 27:22
  where I was working
• 27:24
  that afternoon.
• 27:25
  Unknown: I'll be darned. You know, I was gonna comment I was gonna comment on that a minute ago. How do we really know
• 27:32
  it was Joe?
• 27:34
  Unknown: Well, obviously,
• 27:35
  Unknown: we don't. How do we know how
• 27:38
  Unknown: do we know it wasn't staged? I mean, everything is staged today and and it's just,
• 27:43
  Unknown: god, it's crazy trying to explain these people. I I just look at Las Vegas. Look at the whole whitewash on that whole fiasco out there. Ben, you ought to tap into Tom's. Do
• 27:54
  what now?
• 27:56
  Unknown: Can I chime in on this one?
• 27:59
  Unknown: Yes, you can if you want. I know you're our Las Vegas
• 28:02
  resident expert. You're not a resident anymore but you're our domiciled
• 28:08
  Las Vegas Clark County expert.
• 28:11
  Unknown: Not only not only am I still stuck here in Las Vegas by my enemies, having to defend my good name and trying to vindicate my false charges,
• 28:18
  but Bob brings up something that I had suspected from the very first time I heard that I first had an inclination that it was a very suspect
• 28:26
  at the very least,
• 28:28
  event.
• 28:29
  And that would be a crisis event managed production he's talking about. That's the FBI specialty
• 28:34
  and probably other agencies of government.
• 28:37
  And so it doesn't surprise me at all. In fact, it kind of vindicates my questioning whether I was right that it was a false flag event, particularly,
• 28:46
  political terrorism event to try to sway the opinion of the public,
• 28:50
  the ignorant public, cheapo out here, and he has first party knowledge from being right there on the inside close to the actual event, knows the players and what was going on there. So I find that particularly embellishing and reinforcing my creminations,
• 29:05
  my discern
• 29:07
  crisis
• 29:07
  analysis of the particular event,
• 29:10
  and I can't think of one major event anywhere in America had not been state sponsored terrorism. I think that's So I think that off the right now.
• 29:19
  Unknown: Think that's a pretty accurate statement,
• 29:22
  Chris. It's it's all Hegelian dialectic and of course, that's the holy grail.
• 29:27
  They're just executing and then these individual instances.
• 29:32
  Ben, nice to hear from you, man. What's going on with you? You need to hook up with Thomas and his Texas bunch out there.
• 29:41
  Unknown: Well, I agree with that and would be happy to do that.
• 29:46
  Unknown: Now hold on, man. Sounds like we're in a dispatch room.
• 29:51
  Unknown: Precisely.
• 29:52
  Yeah.
• 29:55
  Unknown: Ben, you there? I'd like to hook up with Tom.
• 29:58
  Unknown: I'm here. Man, I'm telling you. I sound I feels I feel like we're in a dispatch room here. Okay, buddy. Well, it's good to hear from you. We hear from you often. You and I communicate occasionally.
• 30:10
  Unknown: Well, you
• 30:11
  you when
• 30:13
  you started talking about Joe Stack, I just
• 30:16
  wanted to throw that stuff in. That stuff that I actually had personal knowledge of. Yeah. Well, I appreciate that and the audience does too.
• 30:26
  Unknown: Anything else on your mind these days? Did your son ever file his affidavit?
• 30:32
  Unknown: No. He
• 30:34
  he renewed his
• 30:37
  CDL,
• 30:38
  and one of the first things it asked you at the very top, you have to
• 30:45
  check a box that guarantees your US
• 30:48
  resident.
• 30:49
  Unknown: Yeah, there you go. Well, get this. You know, I got, it's nice to get you guys educated out there because then, I get eyes and ears all over the place, you know?
• 30:58
  And
• 30:59
  here's an example of it. Gary, our good listener calls in occasionally
• 31:04
  from South Florida found this. He was looking through something about health care and
• 31:10
  it says coverage
• 31:11
  for US citizens and
• 31:14
  US nationals,
• 31:16
  and it says that US citizens and US nationals are eligible for coverage through the health insurance marketplace.
• 31:24
  US citizens, bold capital.
• 31:26
  A US citizen
• 31:28
  is someone who's born in The United States including
• 31:32
  US territories
• 31:33
  except
• 31:34
  American Samoa.
• 31:36
  For who or who was born outside The US
• 31:41
  and who either A) was naturalized as a US citizen B)
• 31:46
  derived citizenship
• 31:48
  through the naturalization
• 31:50
  of his or her parents
• 31:53
  derived citizenship
• 31:54
  through the adoption by US citizen parents
• 31:58
  provided certain
• 32:00
  conditions are met,
• 32:02
  acquired citizenship
• 32:04
  at birth, that's what they call birthright citizen, because he or she was born in The US
• 32:10
  to US parents
• 32:13
  or lastly,
• 32:15
  became a US citizen
• 32:17
  by
• 32:18
  operation
• 32:19
  of law.
• 32:21
  Don't know what that means. I mean, I know what it means, but I don't know how they're applying that to US citizens,
• 32:28
  and they don't say of America. They just say US citizens. Now,
• 32:33
  in bold,
• 32:35
  it says US
• 32:36
  nationals.
• 32:38
  And boy, do they cover their tracks here.
• 32:42
  US national,
• 32:43
  a US national is someone who's a US citizen
• 32:48
  or owes permanent allegiance
• 32:51
  to The US.
• 32:54
  Next sentence,
• 32:55
  with extremely
• 32:58
  limited
• 32:59
  exceptions,
• 33:02
  All non citizen US nationals
• 33:06
  are people born in American
• 33:08
  Samoa
• 33:10
  or
• 33:11
  people born abroad
• 33:13
  with one or more American
• 33:15
  Samoan parents
• 33:17
  under certain
• 33:19
  conditions,
• 33:21
  starting out the
• 33:24
  sentence there
• 33:25
  with extremely
• 33:27
  limited
• 33:28
  exception.
• 33:30
  Welcome,
• 33:31
  limited exceptions,
• 33:33
  Unknown: to the radio range.
• 33:37
  Unknown: Curiously,
• 33:38
  Roger,
• 33:39
  I was reading title a USC
• 33:42
  11 o one, section
• 33:45
  eleven
• 33:45
  fifty three,
• 33:47
  54, and 55
• 33:49
  early this morning,
• 33:50
  and it especially is carved out in
• 33:54
  several of the subsections down to, I think it was
• 33:57
  a 27
• 33:59
  capital b and thereabouts,
• 34:01
  and k in particular,
• 34:03
  which were special
• 34:05
  carve outs
• 34:06
  and exceptions for nonresident aliens
• 34:08
  and those
• 34:10
  deemed to be permanent resident aliens
• 34:12
  by the secretary of state or the attorney general.
• 34:15
  And there's some really interesting language in that particular section of the so called immigration naturalization
• 34:22
  act code that I think others would be likewise
• 34:26
  intrigued
• 34:27
  Unknown: and titillated by reading. Well, some people get into that stuff and like it. I try and simplify it because it all comes down to this question, are you free or are you bond?
• 34:38
  Okay, there's only two statuses. You're either free or you're enslaved in some degree to some percentage.
• 34:44
  So, there there are no other choices than those.
• 34:48
  The way I see it and
• 34:51
  so they get in there and mumble this thing around and confuse it and throw it. You know, the old saying is the two things you don't want to see made are laws and sausages.
• 35:00
  You ever heard that, Chris?
• 35:03
  Unknown: I've
• 35:03
  heard nothing. Sausage is a message processed.
• 35:06
  Unknown: Yep and
• 35:07
  and and what comes out of it is sometimes inedible
• 35:11
  just like a lot of those statutes and codes are the way they intentionally set you up to be deceived.
• 35:17
  As it used to say,
• 35:18
  in the passport application,
• 35:21
  sometimes this is difficult to do because our citizenship
• 35:25
  laws are very complex.
• 35:29
  Yeah. Well, some of that stuff Mike could consume but you probably shouldn't consume because it is absolutely BS. Well, that's why I try and keep people away from all that stuff and it's not that I don't appreciate people that can read through it and nitpick it. John was exceptionally good at it but
• 35:47
  but it just isn't necessary because you can simplify it and get much more bang for your buck, I think.
• 35:54
  Unknown: And that's. I'm to say that stuff is way above my pay grade.
• 35:58
  Unknown: I don't get into it. Well, you know, and I've mentioned this before,
• 36:02
  this was for those of you who've been around computers for a while,
• 36:06
  they used to have a program out there in the early days. This was probably
• 36:10
  close to thirty years ago or maybe more called Gramatech.
• 36:15
  You ever heard of that, guys?
• 36:19
  I've heard it on this show. Yeah, you've heard me talk about it before and tell this story, Chris.
• 36:25
  Gramatech
• 36:26
  was written from what I understood at the time under a government grant
• 36:30
  and what its function was is before all the real software market developed and all these people started bundling all this stuff into software
• 36:38
  and word processor stuff and it was an independent program
• 36:43
  and the what you do is you'd write whatever you're going to write and you'd run it through Gramatech and it would correct all the grammar and all the spelling and punctuation errors and all that stuff.
• 36:55
  Pretty cool little program, useful, especially in it, excuse me, in its day, in the earlier days of the
• 37:02
  internet development and computer development for the masses,
• 37:06
  but it had, Thomas,
• 37:08
  it had a really
• 37:10
  interesting
• 37:10
  attribute.
• 37:12
  Is you could take something that was already written and run it through Gramatech
• 37:17
  and it would tell you what grade
• 37:20
  level
• 37:21
  it was written at.
• 37:26
  So somebody took what are the three sections that IRS bangs you on? Six zero zero zero, six zero one one, and six zero one two. Aren't those the three?
• 37:36
  The catch all three they throw at everybody?
• 37:39
  Chris, you're the one that's good in this statute crap. Isn't it six zero o that's the IRC
• 37:45
  Unknown: and the the internal revenue code, and those are the qualifying
• 37:49
  Unknown: sections that operate on income tax and who's liable for it. Well, when you're fighting the IRS, those are the three they always bring out at you. Okay? Well, somebody took those three and ran them through Gramatech
• 38:02
  to see what grade level they were written at. What grade level you think those are written at, Thomas?
• 38:10
  30 something. Thirty and thirty one for six zero one one and six zero one two. So if you've got a 31 grade education, maybe you could read it, Yeah.
• 38:22
  Unknown: Yeah, that's what the fourteenth amendment is written in thirty
• 38:27
  second or something
• 38:29
  degree.
• 38:30
  I mean, thirty second degree Mason. No, thirty second level education. It wouldn't surprise me
• 38:36
  Unknown: but
• 38:37
  and the fourteenth amendment is incredibly interesting. I've focused a good part of my life on that first clause
• 38:44
  and boy, is that thing loaded? There's how many? Six or seven legal landmines in the first clause?
• 38:52
  Unknown: It's
• 38:53
  crazy.
• 38:54
  It is. I understand it better
• 38:56
  every day.
• 38:58
  But people that look at it for thirteen seconds go, there's nothing wrong with that, Thomas. Yeah, I know. I'm like,
• 39:04
  Unknown: I'm going have a Yeah,
• 39:06
  Unknown: you you may, Chris. Let me just say, it was so pre planned
• 39:10
  and this whole thing has been in the oven. So many
• 39:14
  centuries,
• 39:15
  alright?
• 39:16
  And man, they've pulled it off masterfully.
• 39:19
  What were you going to add, Chris?
• 39:21
  Unknown: Well, you had commented about your sticks and stones and words that enslave me. I call those words. In fact, they use some to slander you, liable, to incriminate you, and I call those word bomb
• 39:34
  or word Molotov cocktails
• 39:36
  because they splatter all over you and color you with an air of criminality
• 39:40
  or maybe
• 39:41
  a hate or whatever other types of dangerous labels they wanna stick on you even though there may not be any basis for them. See, they set up a presumption in essence, don't they, using them the way they do?
• 39:57
  Unknown: Well, reading,
• 39:58
  Charles Wallace Collins book, Fourteenth Amendment of the States, they used vague and general terms to disguise what they're doing.
• 40:06
  Well, let's go over that. You
• 40:09
  Unknown: know, the the essence of it and how they brought, do you guys because I I think I'm just coming to the understanding of this stuff here recently, totally.
• 40:18
  Do you know how they brought the feudal system in under that first clause? Thomas, do you understand that yet?
• 40:27
  Unknown: Totally. I've I've understood it for years.
• 40:30
  Unknown: Okay. From the standpoint of, I hear Chuck's going to call in so I gotta call him back
• 40:36
  but the standpoint
• 40:37
  Unknown: of. The first first first book I read on it, I understood it. I said, oh my god. It's a feudal communist system of total control.
• 40:47
  Unknown: Yes. But I mean, legally,
• 40:49
  how they did it is what that I'm just getting the grasp of and
• 40:54
  that is under
• 40:55
  the of change in the way your heredityment is passed.
• 40:59
  Okay? Right. And that is all persons
• 41:03
  born or naturalized. That first part of the first part of the clause. That.
• 41:08
  It's hidden right under that, right there. Hey, Chuck. How you doing in Oklahoma today? You're pretty close to Texas right next door, kinda neighborly.
• 41:19
  Unknown: That's exactly what I was gonna say about that born phrase. People miss that. They say, I didn't consent to anything, Thomas. Well,
• 41:28
  there's
• 41:29
  a legal fiction here
• 41:31
  in the constitution since the civil war, and you must rebut it or you did consent.
• 41:37
  Unknown: Well, hold on. See. And it it wasn't there for them since the Civil War. It wasn't there for them for about 40 a whole bunch of decades.
• 41:46
  For a long time, you had those general laws in operation.
• 41:49
  That's how you bring it to people's attention right there is they used to be separate and now they're not what happened.
• 41:57
  Unknown: There are early cases like 1875
• 42:00
  that that talk about this voluntary citizenship.
• 42:05
  And they're they're discussing it then. I don't know if you've seen these but I've I've seen all this stuff from early like 1875.
• 42:13
  Unknown: Yeah. On up. Well, you had Van Derkenburg and Brown and Elk V Wilkins. A lot of there were a lot more state
• 42:23
  court decisions on this back in those days than there were federal especially
• 42:28
  high court decisions on it but it's very obvious when you go back through those,
• 42:33
  the the what
• 42:35
  the difference
• 42:36
  were was
• 42:37
  and how everybody recognized it.
• 42:44
  Unknown: Chuck. Everybody?
• 42:46
  Unknown: Yeah. I mean, everybody in the culture realized it was the Jim Crow era. That
• 42:51
  Chuck, what's going on, man? Oh,
• 42:56
  Unknown: I'm driving.
• 42:57
  I'm having to
• 42:59
  we got inclement weather today, so possible for
• 43:04
  around.
• 43:05
  Unknown: Okay. Well, you're a little choppy on that, but I guess you're pretty clear.
• 43:11
  Unknown: Okay. Well, I'm not on the
• 43:14
  speakerphone. So I mean, on the Bluetooth
• 43:17
  Unknown: phone. So Okay. I'm just talking straight into the phone. Alright. Did you have any question or comment? I'll
• 43:25
  Unknown: well, not particularly on what y'all are talking about now,
• 43:29
  but you you know, yesterday,
• 43:31
  when I was listening well, I called in, but listen to what John said that I went and looked up those two videos
• 43:38
  that he talked about with Sarah Westall.
• 43:40
  Unknown: Yes.
• 43:41
  Unknown: And, those
• 43:44
  are very
• 43:46
  interesting.
• 43:47
  I
• 43:48
  but
• 43:50
  he said he made the comment that he didn't think that that
• 43:53
  her passport
• 43:56
  was
• 43:57
  he he thought it was from the government, and you didn't. I don't
• 44:01
  I took it as it was from whatever government that David Williams made up has going or whatever. Yes. Did you take it that way? I didn't see anything but a short clip on it, but she held it up to the camera.
• 44:16
  Unknown: If you remember?
• 44:17
  Yeah. And and I I couldn't see it real good but the pages and the background pages weren't the same
• 44:24
  and
• 44:25
  I took it that it was produced by another source,
• 44:30
  which I think you're confirming,
• 44:32
  because what she said explicitly
• 44:34
  was,
• 44:34
  yeah, the passport worked when they left the country.
• 44:38
  She'd
• 44:39
  never used it out to go outside the country,
• 44:43
  but people had. Right. When they used it outside to leave the country, they were advised to contact the Secretary of State to let them get back in. That tells me it wasn't a government issued document.
• 45:00
  Unknown: Right. Does it yeah. Well, did she say
• 45:04
  secretary of state I know she said you're supposed to the embassy. They're supposed to Well, that's contact the embassy or something. Well, that's who the secretary of state is. Those are his extensions in all the countries.
• 45:16
  Yeah.
• 45:18
  Oh, I didn't I didn't quite understand everything. I I I assume
• 45:23
  that she's a part of the David Williams movement, whatever that is. I I had never heard of him before, but
• 45:29
  Unknown: I it sounds interesting. I don't know. You know why all that really encouraged me, Chuck?
• 45:39
  Unknown: What?
• 45:40
  Unknown: I see, you know why all that really encouraged
• 45:43
  me is because I think Sarah Westall might be the next program
• 45:48
  platform that we get on. If she's interested and actively. Yeah. Asking questions in this area,
• 45:54
  hopefully, she'll find out about us and our program here pretty soon and maybe we'll get into that. Yeah. And that would be fabulous because she's connected to the Janda and all those guys, you know?
• 46:08
  Unknown: Well, that's that's where I put her. I didn't know if she was really
• 46:12
  what dealing she has with Janda but I know she's in that area. So, but for her to actually have somebody on like that that in the past would have been considered
• 46:24
  woohaw, you know, stuff
• 46:26
  that
• 46:28
  Well, the other thing was That would be classified as patriot mythology.
• 46:32
  Unknown: Right. And I guess what? Within the last month, doctor Janda had
• 46:37
  Anivan Wrights on.
• 46:40
  So. Oh, he did. Yeah. That's right. That's right. One of the listeners called in. Remember, they said, Brent's book was brought up and talked about at the end of the show. So, I I see things, you know, I see the light at the end of the tunnel, man.
• 46:56
  Unknown: Yeah. That's I
• 46:58
  forgot about that.
• 47:01
  Unknown: That's awesome. I've got one. Don't forget about driving. They're honking at you there,
• 47:05
  Chuck.
• 47:07
  Unknown: We
• 47:08
  come into the Amazon facility and you gotta when you go to load, you gotta honk.
• 47:13
  Let everybody know you're here so you don't hit somebody, I guess. Okay.
• 47:18
  Unknown: Maybe you hit Wow. There. Maybe you'll hit Jeff Bezos' private part out there in the parking lot.
• 47:27
  Unknown: Say Roger. Yeah.
• 47:30
  You know that David Wynn Williams that Thomas is talking about, that's quantum grammar parsays syntax.
• 47:37
  He's got a bunch of videos on the Internet on YouTube that
• 47:41
  basically says all contracts are fraud and fact them on their face because they're written in in language
• 47:47
  Unknown: and Don't let's not crazyology. Let's not get into all that. It just absolutely throws such a wrench in the wrench. It'll give you a headache. Yes. I I concur.
• 47:58
  I mean, we try and simplify
• 48:00
  things here. All those approaches do is come make complexity.
• 48:07
  Unknown: Roger,
• 48:08
  thing.
• 48:10
  Do you want to talk? Thing I've tried to get over to people is that government was changed with Reconstruction.
• 48:16
  And I was going through some of my notes here, and
• 48:20
  during,
• 48:21
  1864,
• 48:23
  one of the radical Republicans
• 48:25
  in Congress,
• 48:27
  Thalia Stevens,
• 48:29
  says the talk of restoring the union like it was and the constitution as it is is one of the absurdities which I have heard repeated until I have become sick of it. There are many things which make such an event impossible.
• 48:42
  This union never shall,
• 48:45
  with my consent,
• 48:46
  be restored under the constitution as it is.
• 48:50
  The union as it was and the constitution as it is, god forbid it. We must conquer the Southern states and hold them as conquered provinces.
• 49:00
  The radical Republican member of congress, 05/02/1864,
• 49:04
  page 2,048
• 49:06
  congressional globe,
• 49:07
  Unknown: Thaddeus Stevens puts it into context, I believe. Yeah. I've heard that quote. And then more.
• 49:13
  Unknown: And then they went, you know, further
• 49:16
  with this fourteenth amendment and put everybody in the feudal system as you call. I call it a communist. Not a you know, they didn't put everybody Well,
• 49:29
  it says all in that first word of that amendment.
• 49:34
  Unknown: Well, yeah, but the all that they're using in the first word means that the the recognized
• 49:40
  differences on the new citizenship.
• 49:43
  It didn't mean everybody.
• 49:44
  The
• 49:45
  white people knew it didn't apply to them.
• 49:50
  That's why the Jim Crow laws happened.
• 49:56
  It was very recognized that it was only for the black slaves
• 50:01
  pre civil war. And those court cases you referenced earlier, Van Valkenburg, Brown, Elton v. Wilkins, all those absolutely confirm that.
• 50:14
  But
• 50:16
  the insight,
• 50:17
  Thomas,
• 50:18
  is into the deviousness
• 50:20
  of the enemy
• 50:21
  on how they could intentionally
• 50:23
  set up a second one
• 50:26
  to
• 50:26
  intentionally
• 50:27
  switch everybody to it years down the line.
• 50:32
  That's the lesson to walk away with to me.
• 50:36
  Unknown: Have you read
• 50:37
  some of James G. Blaine's
• 50:40
  Unknown: that I can't hear you. Twenty years in conqueror.
• 50:44
  I'm sorry? No. I'm not getting any audio.
• 50:49
  Unknown: Can you, have you heard of James G Blaine?
• 50:54
  Unknown: I can't even understand you enough. I can hear that you're talking, but I do not understand, and I have no idea what has changed here.
• 51:02
  There. It's me. Say it again.
• 51:06
  Unknown: Have have you heard of the book that James G. Blaine wrote twenty years in congress?
• 51:12
  Unknown: No.
• 51:14
  Unknown: Well, he explains,
• 51:16
  and he's in there right around Reconstruction
• 51:19
  that
• 51:20
  this fourteenth amendment is just not is not just for black people. It's for the white man as well.
• 51:27
  Unknown: Well, he saw it and recognized it then because in that day, it wasn't applied to everyone.
• 51:39
  Unknown: It was Right. They they slowly
• 51:41
  Unknown: took it apart. I mean, they slowly took America apart so people wouldn't be alarmed. Yeah. You're right. They they did it just piece by piece by piece and, like, you I I didn't realize Brown
• 51:53
  versus Board of Education was just another piece of the pie the other day that lowered us down
• 51:58
  to the Well,
• 52:00
  Unknown: what Brown
• 52:01
  v Board was was slamming the trap the door shut
• 52:06
  because fifteen years earlier in 1940,
• 52:10
  they had hid the old original state citizen
• 52:14
  over under American
• 52:15
  Samoa,
• 52:18
  and they let it sit there for fifteen years with the other status obliterated,
• 52:23
  got everybody conditioned into it, and then slammed
• 52:27
  the door shut on everyone
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  in the secondary citizenship
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  with Brown v Board, and what's evidenced by that is that two months later is when they put the 1954
• 52:39
  Internal Revenue Code into place, and that's the one everybody loves so much today.
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  Unknown: Well, Roger, I've got a lot of listeners
• 52:49
  listening in on Facebook today, and they wanna know what is so special about state citizenship
• 52:55
  versus US citizenship.
• 52:56
  Can you
• 52:58
  can you explain that in a simple
• 53:00
  Unknown: sentence? Yes.
• 53:02
  A state citizenship
• 53:04
  versus federal citizenship, the difference is they're asking is the question that I put forward a minute ago. Are you free or are you bond?
• 53:13
  Because one of them. Well, a lot of laws, alright? One of em has the laws that the country was originally founded under that they have now access to. If if you file an affidavit where you get laws, what does it say in the founding documents? We get our laws from our creator,
• 53:31
  right?
• 53:33
  So, you you get your your laws from god in the original status
• 53:38
  and in law, if you get your rights from a source,
• 53:41
  that source is to where you owe your duties.
• 53:45
  Under the other citizenship,
• 53:47
  under the fourteenth amendment,
• 53:49
  they got their rights, their civil rights from the federal government and the fourteenth amendment,
• 53:54
  and therefore it's to the federal government that they owe their duties.
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  So, it it
• 54:02
  depends on the person. You're may maybe some of your Facebook listeners
• 54:07
  want to stay in that system,
• 54:09
  okay? And if if they do, god bless em. Good luck, alright? But here to four,
• 54:15
  you didn't know you had a choice
• 54:18
  to switch back because they've hidden it from you intentionally.
• 54:25
  Unknown: Well, what a lot of people that are are federal citizens or US citizens don't operate, I mean, understand is
• 54:32
  that this
• 54:33
  new fourteenth amendment system is operating on them
• 54:38
  and they don't know what to do about it. They think it's just everything.
• 54:42
  And when I try to explain it to my local friends here in the community,
• 54:46
  they're they're like, get your tinfoil hat out, buddy. This is everywhere. No. It doesn't operate like that on me. It operates like that on you. And when the cop shows up to come take your kids, you might start getting it, but you're not listening now. Well, the only ways any of those laws attach to you
• 55:05
  Unknown: is if you're that status.
• 55:07
  Now if you're if you murdered your kid,
• 55:10
  the police could come out and get somebody, but otherwise, all those other laws that they're exercising are all written for residents,
• 55:19
  and
• 55:20
  they're only written for residents.
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  The way you're a resident is
• 55:26
  if you're in the state, now you're a state citizen, but only if you
• 55:31
  reside.
• 55:34
  Now what does that technically,
• 55:36
  legally
• 55:38
  mean and how are they using that in operation,
• 55:41
  Thomas?
• 55:42
  When you say you're a of
• 55:45
  Texas,
• 55:45
  what are you really agreeing to? You're agreeing that you're under the control of the laws in Washington DC
• 55:52
  under the federal system of the fourteenth amendment.
• 55:56
  Unknown: Yeah, right and it says reside right there in the first sentence. Last word. Wow.
• 56:02
  Unknown: Yep. So, that's the way. See, the implementation
• 56:06
  of that, they're utilizing from the origin of the word from diplomatic
• 56:12
  law. Ambassadorial
• 56:15
  law. When countries sign treaties
• 56:18
  and exchange ambassadors,
• 56:21
  The ambassador to the other country is in residence.
• 56:26
  That's a technical term. And
• 56:29
  what that really means is the laws of his origin
• 56:33
  country apply to him and not the laws of the country that he's in.
• 56:39
  See how they're using. Right.
• 56:41
  Okay.
• 56:42
  Unknown: Right.
• 56:43
  There's a there's a court case out there. I think it's Downs B. Bidwell. It explains the two different governments. Good case. 1912.
• 56:50
  Unknown: Yeah, that's Harwell. And
• 56:52
  Unknown: that's excellent. Yeah. I've showed shared
• 56:55
  this all over Facebook.
• 56:57
  You know, I've got there's thousands of people out there
• 57:00
  and it's still, it's not stinking, sinking in. It's not gonna. Thomas.
• 57:06
  Unknown: It ain't going to sink in to the majority of people.
• 57:10
  Don't. Right. Don't work yourself up into a lather trying to convince people because some people just ain't ever going to know and I've come to the conclusion after doing this for almost thirty years that they ain't supposed to know.
• 57:25
  Why that is? I do not know but I can't help it. All I can do is help the people that have the insight and the curiosity and are truth seekers and want answers.
• 57:38
  Unknown: You know what I've noticed, Rogers, when I try to explain it and I try to explain it in a simple way
• 57:44
  that people get offended.
• 57:47
  And I'm like, really? Get offended. I'm trying to teach you what's going on here, and you're offended. They they're You know? They're offended because they're embarrassed deep down.
• 57:56
  Unknown: And they you know, this goes back to that Mark Quain saying, it's easier to fool a man than tell him he's been fooled.
• 58:04
  Unknown: Exactly.
• 58:05
  I I know that quote well and I've quoted it over and over.
• 58:10
  And yeah, that's that's that's what it is. I I think it's genetic. I don't know.
• 58:16
  Unknown: It's. I haven't ever been one. This is going back to that deep Pavlovian
• 58:21
  conditioning
• 58:21
  that we and this psychological
• 58:24
  prison that they've been writing about for one hundred years.
• 58:28
  They've been writing about it. Bert, go back and read Bertrand Russell's stuff. They will come to love their slavery.
• 58:35
  These people you're talking, do they love their slavery?
• 58:40
  Unknown: They don't know they're enslaved. They think it's crazy talk.
• 58:44
  Unknown: They then they're not looking for a way out, are they?
• 58:50
  Unknown: I don't know what they're looking for, Roger. I've, you know, I see people out there saying the
• 58:57
  strangest things that I'm a confederate.
• 59:00
  I backed the CSA
• 59:02
  and then
• 59:03
  they're paying federal income tax to the new
• 59:08
  fourteenth amendment government that overthrew
• 59:11
  the Confederate States of America. And I'm like, don't you wanna know what's going on here? Do you do you think Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee and those guys paid an income tax? Do you think Thomas Jefferson paid an income tax?
• 59:25
  Well, that's just crazy talk.
• 59:30
  Unknown: Of course, they didn't. They understood the law. You know, in the declaration of independence is like Jefferson said, until sufferings become insufferable,
• 59:39
  something to that effect
• 59:41
  and see those people just aren't at the insufferable
• 59:44
  stage yet. We are and we have been. We're the leaders. Right. Because we didn't wait for it to get totally insufferable.
• 59:51
  It got to a point where we couldn't stand it even in its incubacy,
• 59:56
  okay?
• 59:57
  Unknown: What? Right.
• 59:59
  Unknown: So, we went out but but this
• 1:00:02
  Unknown: is. What really woke me up was a court case in 2010
• 1:00:06
  where I was totally railroaded,
• 1:00:08
  and I was like, wow.
• 1:00:11
  Unknown: This whole thing is crooked. That that got me to digging. What's going on here? Have you, stumbled into Al Atisk, another one of your fellow Texans and all his work out there, Thomas?
• 1:00:22
  Unknown: I
• 1:00:23
  have seen some of his
• 1:00:26
  Unknown: writings, yes. Okay, well Al and I did shows together for a long time and he and I, it was he that gave me the
• 1:00:34
  concept of the presumption of law. We got into a discussion on that one day and boy, did that bear fruit, okay?
• 1:00:42
  So, but Al's a good guy.
• 1:00:45
  I just wondered if you'd run across this stuff out there. I hadn't heard much about him lately. I don't think he's doing radio and I'm not sure what he's doing but I ought to check with the boy and see we didn't exactly part on. We we parted on a disagreement that was stupid, really
• 1:01:00
  but we did pretty good together on the air. We had a lot of chemistry.
• 1:01:06
  Unknown: Well, I don't think we're gonna have any problems. You you have a different understanding
• 1:01:10
  about this fourteenth amendment than I do and I think a million people could come up with a million different understandings.
• 1:01:16
  Unknown: Yeah. But if we're not talking, if we're not talking about what this thing did, what are we doing? Well, have you have you ever heard me go over that whole first clause and go over those landmine words, Thomas?
• 1:01:28
  Ought to do a show on that. We probably could do it today.
• 1:01:32
  Okay, let's go over the clause. All persons born or naturalized in The United States,
• 1:01:37
  comma,
• 1:01:38
  and subject to the jurisdiction
• 1:01:41
  thereof,
• 1:01:42
  comma,
• 1:01:43
  are citizens of The United States and the state wherein they reside.
• 1:01:48
  That's the first clause,
• 1:01:50
  Unknown: right?
• 1:01:51
  Mhmm.
• 1:01:52
  Unknown: Let's go back and look at the landmines.
• 1:01:55
  All
• 1:01:56
  persons, there's the first one,
• 1:01:59
  born or naturalized in The United States, there's the second one,
• 1:02:05
  comma,
• 1:02:07
  and
• 1:02:08
  subject
• 1:02:09
  to the jurisdiction
• 1:02:16
  jurisdiction thereof,
• 1:02:17
  comma, are citizens of The United States, that's another one, and the state wherein they reside, that's the last one. How many is that? Eight?
• 1:02:26
  Five, six, seven. Oh.
• 1:02:28
  Seven there's
• 1:02:30
  seven legal landmines
• 1:02:33
  in that first clause and those were them.
• 1:02:37
  Right. Okay? So, let's go back and let's let's do this exercise between you and I and everybody else can benefit,
• 1:02:44
  okay? So, all persons.
• 1:02:47
  Well, what what's a person?
• 1:02:51
  Unknown: Corporation.
• 1:02:52
  Unknown: Nope. That's well, it can be but that's not all.
• 1:02:55
  A corporate, a person is an entity to whom the law ascribes rights and duties.
• 1:03:00
  This is what I was telling a minute ago about the founding documents. You got your rights from god. You owe your duties to god. You get your rights from the federal government, civil rights, you owe your duties to the civil federal government.
• 1:03:11
  So, that word person is super critical and it's every patriot in The United States I've ever asked in thirty years gave me the exact same answer you did
• 1:03:21
  and every one of them were wrong.
• 1:03:25
  Now, that's the progress of our community in the true way this stuff stuff works, okay?
• 1:03:31
  You know, the only person that's ever given me the right answer, Thomas? And
• 1:03:36
  I mean Who is that? Who did it didn't even wait a nanosecond.
• 1:03:41
  My attorney in Argentina.
• 1:03:46
  Unknown: Okay, which tells Can you say that one more time for the listeners what a person is? A person is an entity.
• 1:03:52
  Unknown: It can be a corporation,
• 1:03:54
  it can be a trust, it can be a partnership,
• 1:03:57
  limited or general, it can be a human being, it can be an LLC,
• 1:04:01
  any of those are entities, right?
• 1:04:05
  Right. Okay, and it's an entity
• 1:04:08
  to whom the law ascribes
• 1:04:10
  rights
• 1:04:11
  and duties.
• 1:04:14
  You owe your duties where you get your rights.
• 1:04:19
  If the fourteenth amendment didn't give you any civil rights, Thomas, do you owe the federal government
• 1:04:26
  any duties?
• 1:04:28
  No. No.
• 1:04:29
  You see why it's important to understand this?
• 1:04:37
  Unknown: Yeah, I understand it a little bit differently though, but Well, is Gaius.
• 1:04:41
  Unknown: This
• 1:04:42
  is Gaius'
• 1:04:43
  teachings and writings.
• 1:04:45
  He's the guy that's credited with the foundation and formation of law in Rome.
• 1:04:53
  K? So, I mean, it's pretty unimpeachable
• 1:04:56
  source.
• 1:04:57
  Unknown: Alright? And they had three
• 1:04:59
  three different citizenships
• 1:05:01
  Unknown: in Rome, didn't they? They had to, they had, Rome had the first two hundred years was the same government our our
• 1:05:09
  country was under for two hundred years with god given rights. That's why this is so important. There's only been two countries
• 1:05:16
  in the entire history of the planet that have ever had these.
• 1:05:21
  And they were taken from us like like Edom sold like
• 1:05:26
  sold his birthright for a bowl of porridge or tricked out of him. They've tricked us out of our hererement here.
• 1:05:34
  Mhmm. Doing things like us not understanding
• 1:05:37
  the real legal
• 1:05:39
  concept behind the word person.
• 1:05:42
  An entity to whom the law ascribes rights and duties.
• 1:05:46
  If
• 1:05:47
  you don't get any ascribed rights,
• 1:05:50
  you owe no correlative
• 1:05:52
  duty.
• 1:05:53
  If the fourteenth amendment doesn't give you any civil rights, you don't owe any obligations under income tax. Can I put it more succinctly?
• 1:06:07
  I don't think so. Because I'm not that person. You see, our community in the whole time I've been in it for thirty years says, I'm not a person, don't they?
• 1:06:20
  Right. But that's not the answer.
• 1:06:22
  It's not that I'm not a person, your honor. I'm not that
• 1:06:28
  person.
• 1:06:32
  Okay. Right. Gotta be careful with your word. Right there is the first one.
• 1:06:37
  All persons born are naturalized.
• 1:06:39
  So, there and that's how they brought in the feudal system by giving you herediment from birth
• 1:06:45
  by where you're born and not who your parents were.
• 1:06:50
  So
• 1:06:51
  all persons born are naturalized in The United States. Well, which United States? Somebody drug up Black's Law Dictionary the other day on here, the fourth edition or fifth edition, where they used to have that court case, that Supreme Court case says, well, this term has many meanings,
• 1:07:08
  and he lists off three or four different meanings on how The United States okay, so which United States?
• 1:07:13
  Second legal landmine.
• 1:07:15
  Comma,
• 1:07:16
  and.
• 1:07:17
  If Bill Clinton can say, it depends on what the meaning of his is, I can damn self say, it depends on what the meaning of and is.
• 1:07:26
  Because
• 1:07:27
  it does not say our subject to the jurisdiction
• 1:07:30
  thereof. It says and subject.
• 1:07:33
  So, if there's some that are hand subject,
• 1:07:36
  there's some that are and not subject
• 1:07:39
  to.
• 1:07:41
  And
• 1:07:42
  subject. You mean like a king has subjects?
• 1:07:45
  Yeah, the king has subjects, doesn't he? Subject to what? The jurisdiction.
• 1:07:51
  Jurisdiction,
• 1:07:51
  another legal landmine.
• 1:07:55
  Comma,
• 1:07:56
  not our subject to the jurisdiction,
• 1:07:59
  and subject to the jurisdiction. This is Al Addusk's deal right there. That's something else Al gave me.
• 1:08:06
  Comma, are citizens of The United States, again, which one,
• 1:08:11
  and the state wherein they reside. By the way, what do you mean by that word resident?
• 1:08:16
  Is that where I live, or is that which system of law I'm under?
• 1:08:20
  So there's your legal landmines right there that virtually,
• 1:08:24
  Thomas,
• 1:08:25
  nobody
• 1:08:26
  understands
• 1:08:27
  until they confront this information that we try and put out here on a daily regular basis.
• 1:08:36
  Unknown: Say, did you want to bring in that's
• 1:08:39
  right. It's you have to study this thing. Did you want to bring in Michael?
• 1:08:44
  Unknown: We can. I'd rather. If we're going to, why don't we try and schedule him for Thursday?
• 1:08:50
  Or if I guess if he wants to come in but I'm already had the more than halfway through the show right now. We can bring him in if you want to.
• 1:08:57
  Unknown: Well, I
• 1:08:59
  Unknown: told him he you were going to bring him in on Tuesday. Alright. Well, alright. And I'll do it then. I'm sorry. I didn't. And I told everybody on Facebook. Well, you want to give me a phone number to call?
• 1:09:10
  Yes. Hold on. Alright. One second. Yeah, I hate to put his phone number out over there but I guess we're going to have to.
• 1:09:16
  Unknown: 512.
• 1:09:17
  Unknown: Alright. Hold on a minute.
• 1:09:20
  Unknown: Or I can send it to you in an Email. Well. That's quick.
• 1:09:23
  Unknown: Yeah, why don't you do that for his privacy? I don't want to hack him off right from the start.
• 1:09:30
  Unknown: Okay. I did send it to you the other day in the Email in that first in the subject line. Okay. I must have missed it. I'm sorry.
• 1:09:38
  Unknown: Let me get into this because I have a special account for the show and I don't check it probably as much as I should, Thomas.
• 1:09:45
  But audience just bear with us. I'm sorry. It will I didn't know that we had set a specific day. I said Tuesday or Thursday but it's okay. Let's see here. Uh-oh. Except that I got this
• 1:09:56
  Unknown: site can't be reached. Yeah. Sent it to Radio Ranch. Yeah. I sent it to Radio Ranch on
• 1:10:03
  Unknown: the tenth. Yeah. Okay. Well, let me see why this wants to tell me my Email can't be reached.
• 1:10:10
  Here and there. That's better.
• 1:10:13
  Bear with us audience. Yep. A little I just sent it again. Okay. You just I just sent it again to RadioPrunch.
• 1:10:19
  Okay. I got a little about Michael here, but I don't think that's the one I'm looking for. Bear with us here, guys. I
• 1:10:27
  Unknown: It's in the subject. It's in it's in the subject line of the email.
• 1:10:33
  Unknown: Says his name and his phone number in the subject. Okay. Well, I don't know that I've gotten that one yet. Let's see. But I,
• 1:10:39
  Unknown: Roger, I just sent you a new email. So refresh your email and it'll be the first one you see on there. Alright. Well, it depends on when it got here. Okay? Because it's not here. A little about Michael
• 1:10:51
  Unknown: is the latest one I've got.
• 1:10:55
  Let's see here. I think there it is. I see it now. Okay.
• 1:10:59
  Alright. Hold on a second. Audience plus
• 1:11:02
  one
• 1:11:03
  five one two is his area code. I won't tell you any more than that.
• 1:11:10
  46.
• 1:11:12
  Uh-uh. Uh-huh.
• 1:11:15
  Ringy dingy.
• 1:11:16
  9995.
• 1:11:18
  I
• 1:11:19
  think that'll get it. Let's see if I can get him here.
• 1:11:23
  Okay. Call. Call. Alright.
• 1:11:30
  Let's see. I I I'm trying to remember if he and I didn't speak one time briefly.
• 1:11:36
  We can get him back on any other time too.
• 1:11:39
  Unknown: He's run for US president.
• 1:11:42
  He goes all over the country with the Libertarian Party teaching
• 1:11:47
  people the constitution
• 1:11:48
  and All that stuff. Michael, I don't know what he's doing the last last few years but Well, I think he's right here to maybe tell us He found me Facebook. So, I must be doing something right. Alright. Michael, is that you joined us?
• 1:12:03
  Unknown: Yeah, I'm here. I don't know who this is. My name is Roger Sales. We have a program called the Radio Ranch and a network called the People's Patriot Network and I think a friend of yours named Thomas Maddox is on with us here that
• 1:12:16
  Unknown: mentioned you last week. Okay.
• 1:12:18
  Unknown: And I I just casually mention we should get you on the show. I was thinking if you and I I I believe I've heard you on interviews in the past years ago and I was I was wondering if it was you and I had ever spoken one time.
• 1:12:32
  Roger Sales, do you remember I've got, I wrote a book about seven years ago called From Sovereign to Surf, Government by the Treachery and Deception of Words.
• 1:12:42
  Unknown: I've, no, I've read the book.
• 1:12:45
  We may have a connection through Clyde Cleveland.
• 1:12:48
  Clyde used to live in
• 1:12:51
  Iowa.
• 1:12:52
  Unknown: Doesn't ring a bell with me. Clive's name doesn't. But anyway,
• 1:12:56
  just you know how the years pass and everything. Some things get a little cloudy. Anyway, welcome to the program. Thomas,
• 1:13:03
  I've heard your name in the past. I remember when you're a little more in the political arena,
• 1:13:08
  active wise. What's been going on with you? You're in Texas now?
• 1:13:13
  Unknown: I'm back in Texas. I I moved to Texas originally in '97.
• 1:13:19
  After two weeks, my heart has been planted here.
• 1:13:23
  Hopefully, I will die in Texas with my boots on.
• 1:13:29
  I briefly
• 1:13:31
  I used to be a brilliant computer programmer, and then I ran for president of United States, ran for congress,
• 1:13:38
  did a radio program on the Internet,
• 1:13:40
  was a cattle rancher, and then spent five years
• 1:13:44
  in Northwest Indiana as caregiver for my mom and dad.
• 1:13:48
  Unknown: I think that's twenty hour a day job. I think that's when we talked was when you were taking care of your parents.
• 1:13:56
  Unknown: K. Well, I've been back in Texas almost three years now
• 1:14:00
  and looking
• 1:14:02
  for a job.
• 1:14:04
  I've
• 1:14:06
  for the most part, I've given up on politics mostly because I've given up on the American people.
• 1:14:13
  I think Americans are
• 1:14:15
  ignorant and apathetic.
• 1:14:20
  So Well, you'll get no care of myself now. You'll get no disagreement here?
• 1:14:28
  Unknown: What we try and do is reach out to the ones that can still frost a mirror, Michael, and the ones that have an active truth seeking gene and
• 1:14:37
  you know, and try and tell em that they got a choice and they don't really have to be as involved in that whole
• 1:14:45
  slave system over there if they don't want to and
• 1:14:49
  Right. But it's up to their, it's up to them and I agree with you. There are very few who can frost the mirror. Okay?
• 1:14:57
  Unknown: I've written a book
• 1:15:00
  called Secret to Sovereignty,
• 1:15:02
  which basically
• 1:15:04
  keeps a
• 1:15:05
  history.
• 1:15:08
  Unknown: Ma'am,
• 1:15:11
  The government. Okay, you're breaking up a little bit there. I'm afraid we missed a little bit of it. Let me ask you, what
• 1:15:18
  city did you land in down there?
• 1:15:21
  Unknown: Austin,
• 1:15:22
  Texas.
• 1:15:23
  Unknown: Lived there a lot. Close to the Beehive. Right.
• 1:15:28
  So you kind
• 1:15:30
  of crossed up, got ahold of Thomas, saw him on Facebook and reached out, and he's got a bunch there in Texas that we're trying to educate on this stuff right now and
• 1:15:39
  he's the one that suggested we have a conversation today.
• 1:15:44
  Unknown: Sounds good.
• 1:15:46
  Unknown: I don't know how familiar are you you with our work but it seems
• 1:15:51
  it seems to me that it's the key to the matrix.
• 1:15:54
  And I've had it out there about seven years now or more, and there's never been one to They go recognize it. They're changing their forms, particularly the passport
• 1:16:05
  application at the Secretary of State because of what we're teaching and what we've caught them doing.
• 1:16:11
  And so it appears to be extremely
• 1:16:15
  accurate
• 1:16:16
  and they seem to respect it.
• 1:16:19
  This is the way I look at it,
• 1:16:22
  Michael,
• 1:16:22
  is I don't have any idea how many people have read that book or taken action on it, okay?
• 1:16:29
  I have a sense it's probably quite a few, alright?
• 1:16:33
  But I do know this because not everybody calls me or contacts me. They used to in the early part, some would,
• 1:16:40
  wanted hand holding and stuff,
• 1:16:43
  reassurances
• 1:16:44
  but generally, people just go out there and do it. Now, it's diffused a bit over seven years,
• 1:16:50
  but I gotta figure this,
• 1:16:52
  if there was any blowback because of it,
• 1:16:56
  I'd be one of the. You heard about it by now? I would be one of the first to know,
• 1:17:01
  And I've never heard one blowback story. The the most
• 1:17:06
  strenuous defense that they appear
• 1:17:09
  to have been able to put up is what I call a bluff letter that here a while back, for a while,
• 1:17:18
  a small number of people that would apply and put an affidavit in would get back what I call this bluff letter, and it was pretty sophomoric
• 1:17:27
  language if
• 1:17:28
  you got a handle on legal stuff at all, but they were just trying to it appears by what you've sent us that you are a citizen of The United States under the fourteenth Amendment, yada yada yada yada, at the end of the paragraph always
• 1:17:42
  except by operation of law which is the out.
• 1:17:47
  And and I've never had
• 1:17:49
  one that we rebutted
• 1:17:51
  that they didn't send them the passport. So, over all these years, there's never been, and I can't think of even one instance of any blowback from them on this, and they seem to recognize it as was recently exhibited by a fellow Texan of yours out there, Victoria,
• 1:18:09
  one of my students. Do you know Victoria? Have you crossed paths with her out there yet? No, I I mean, it's Virginia, isn't it, Thomas?
• 1:18:16
  It's Virginia.
• 1:18:18
  No, I I I haven't. Well, let me tell you. Yes, Virginia Redd. Okay, Virginia. So, Thomas knows this gal and I've had her on the show before.
• 1:18:28
  I had had a lot of whites do it.
• 1:18:32
  About five or six years ago, we realized it was applicable to blacks
• 1:18:36
  under Brown versus Board of Education,
• 1:18:39
  and we have blacks that have sent in affidavits
• 1:18:42
  and actually hand delivered them to the State Department and received passports,
• 1:18:47
  but I had never had the naturalized person, the trifecta.
• 1:18:51
  I'd had a few that had contacted me that said they were interested in doing it, but no one had ever followed through. Well this gal, Virginia, gets a hold of me. She's in Texas. Her husband is a naturalized American,
• 1:19:05
  a Mexican descent,
• 1:19:07
  naturalized
• 1:19:08
  when he was young, grown up in Southern California, served in the military,
• 1:19:12
  all that kind of stuff, and he wanted to do this. But he was working and so she did all the studying and everything for him
• 1:19:20
  and they got his passport back and evidently, I didn't know at the time. She had done the same thing for herself
• 1:19:28
  and that was maybe a year and a half ago, Thomas, something like that and so,
• 1:19:35
  they had not used it until recently and at Christmas,
• 1:19:39
  they drove out to California
• 1:19:42
  for Christmas and flew
• 1:19:44
  back.
• 1:19:45
  And in the LAX Airport, the guy that took their passport cards, because they had ordered the additional passport card,
• 1:19:52
  had put them originally in the line with the rest of the sheep le and he left, came over, grabbed him, and said, I put you in the long, wrong line. Come over here and go through this other line with no hassles.
• 1:20:04
  So,
• 1:20:06
  about the same time, a listener
• 1:20:08
  called in who said that he is a IT specialist
• 1:20:12
  that had worked for about 15 different agencies,
• 1:20:15
  and he didn't have security clearance,
• 1:20:17
  but friends of his did,
• 1:20:19
  and he had filed paperwork
• 1:20:22
  with the Secretary of State, and they came back and said that it was listed on his profile
• 1:20:28
  that he had a form of diplomatic immunity
• 1:20:31
  right under courier
• 1:20:33
  diplomatic status.
• 1:20:34
  So those two things happened just about the same time here recently, so
• 1:20:39
  we're on the right track here.
• 1:20:43
  Unknown: I I think so.
• 1:20:45
  Now
• 1:20:47
  I've always been very confident
• 1:20:50
  in
• 1:20:51
  the fact that something is possible. I know that, you know,
• 1:20:57
  just because
• 1:20:58
  somebody calls me a pedophile,
• 1:21:01
  that doesn't make it true. That's right. It's a presumption.
• 1:21:04
  Unknown: It's a they're working presumption. They're working under the presumption of law,
• 1:21:09
  and they've brought in this fourteenth
• 1:21:11
  amendment system,
• 1:21:13
  which has got the feudal system hidden behind it because of how they sign
• 1:21:18
  citizens hip on your birth, and they've got the whole country in it. And the presumption runs unless you can rebut the presumption
• 1:21:27
  with exactly the right guy in exactly the right way.
• 1:21:32
  They have really hidden it well. Okay?
• 1:21:36
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, as as far as I'm concerned,
• 1:21:39
  I'm happy to talk to you as long but I I carry your 45.
• 1:21:43
  So, ultimately, you're gonna lose.
• 1:21:47
  We can lose you can lose peacefully or you can lose fatally. But either way, I am not gonna be your slave. No way. All you have to do is tell them that and and, ideally,
• 1:21:57
  Unknown: in affidavit form because that's an admissible in court document and once you've got it in your administrative folder with the Secretary of State, you're out of there, pal and even in, we've got is Chris? Chris probably hung up. I'm one of my good listeners from Las Vegas, Chris Cave, who's always fighting these guys in a serious situation out there in Las Vegas and he just applied for one but if you apply for a passport with this affidavit
• 1:22:25
  and you go back inside,
• 1:22:28
  when it's in process,
• 1:22:29
  you can actually go behind the curtain at the State Department and show where your passport is in process,
• 1:22:36
  okay?
• 1:22:37
  And in that terminology,
• 1:22:42
  they've got two places in there. It says, Your passport
• 1:22:45
  and citizenship
• 1:22:47
  evidence
• 1:22:48
  will be sent back to you under separate cover,
• 1:22:52
  and again the next paragraph they say something, but they use the exact language
• 1:22:57
  citizenship
• 1:22:58
  evidence.
• 1:22:59
  The State Department does not use that kind of language unless they know exactly what the hell they're talking about.
• 1:23:07
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:23:08
  Unknown: Okay. Well,
• 1:23:09
  Unknown: I
• 1:23:12
  been teaching a class on the constitution for twenty years.
• 1:23:16
  In the class, I say, we, the people, ordain and establish the constitution.
• 1:23:21
  Congress works for us. They go, yeah.
• 1:23:24
  I said, and then in '8
• 1:23:27
  yeah. 1868,
• 1:23:28
  they created the fourteenth amendment.
• 1:23:30
  They invented United States citizens so we work for them and
• 1:23:35
  everybody says, well, how do you go from US citizen back to we the people and I go, how the if I know and last October, I had some friends
• 1:23:43
  show me, you know, the paperwork and I've done it. I've got my
• 1:23:49
  I've got a passport card
• 1:23:52
  with four stars on it.
• 1:23:54
  And for the last year, I've been submitting FOIAs to the state department
• 1:23:59
  asking what the stars indicate.
• 1:24:02
  I mean, it's their passport. I just want a confirmation that that's what Ask them to you know, identifies
• 1:24:08
  Unknown: Well, ask them to identify
• 1:24:10
  give the manual that identifies
• 1:24:12
  all the coding.
• 1:24:14
  Don't ask them what it means. Ask them for the manual that identifies all of it because I maintain that on that passport card,
• 1:24:22
  once you've got your affidavit
• 1:24:24
  in, it identifies you because they've gotta separate you. Here's what they've done, Michael. They've taken the old state citizen and these God given rights,
• 1:24:34
  and they've hidden
• 1:24:36
  them under American Samoa,
• 1:24:38
  okay?
• 1:24:39
  Oh, That's
• 1:24:41
  what a non citizen national is,
• 1:24:45
  is those people can't be birthright citizens.
• 1:24:49
  They
• 1:24:50
  want to be because it exempts them from getting the goodies and they had a court, a court case that was denied certiorari
• 1:24:58
  at the Supreme Court within the last couple of years on this issue, okay? Because if they give em birthright citizenship,
• 1:25:05
  it blows up the whole scheme because they don't have any place to hide the old state citizen anymore,
• 1:25:11
  okay?
• 1:25:12
  But that's why you've got a differentiation.
• 1:25:15
  If you've got an American Samoan
• 1:25:17
  that has a US passport,
• 1:25:19
  he's a US national,
• 1:25:21
  but you know what stamped in his passport?
• 1:25:26
  Person is this person is not a citizen of The United States.
• 1:25:32
  Okay? Yeah.
• 1:25:34
  American Samoans can serve in the military, but they can't get into officers' ranks. They've got all kinds of restrictions
• 1:25:42
  on them, but that's where they hid it, and they hid it in a piece of legislation in 1940
• 1:25:48
  called the Nationality Act, and they hid it right in the first definitions,
• 1:25:53
  and then later on,
• 1:25:54
  they moved it over to Title VIII, and that's why they say US National is somebody born in American Samoa or some other little island that's out there, or the outlying territories,
• 1:26:06
  or the outlying territories.
• 1:26:08
  So you know what the outlying territories are, Michael?
• 1:26:12
  Unknown: The 50
• 1:26:14
  Yep. 50 sovereign states. Texas,
• 1:26:17
  Unknown: Nebraska,
• 1:26:18
  Idaho.
• 1:26:18
  You got it. Those are the outlying territories.
• 1:26:22
  So in American Samoa today, if you have an abortion, you will get convicted
• 1:26:28
  and charged with murder to this day.
• 1:26:36
  Unknown: So
• 1:26:40
  short of, you know, continuing to discuss this, is there a radio program you want me to be on? Anything? Well, we're on it now. Do we have
• 1:26:48
  oh, we're
• 1:26:49
  Unknown: we're broadcasting. Yeah. We're on, man. Hold on. I'm gonna I'm gonna bring in another one of my listeners here, Bob. Bob too. Roger?
• 1:26:57
  Yep.
• 1:27:00
  Unknown: I wanted to welcome Michael to the Radio Ranch Show. Yeah. Welcome, Michael. Thank you. Thank you very much.
• 1:27:06
  Unknown: Welcome, Michael. Yeah, we're kinda we're kinda informal around here, Michael, in case you hadn't guessed.
• 1:27:13
  We got Shane on with us, one of our good listeners. He's been through this process.
• 1:27:17
  Shane, I should tell his story. Yeah. Hey, Bob Bob too is with us. Welcome, Bob. Let me just tell Michael Shane's story real quick. When I first started doing this, I was over on what I call ex wife number three
• 1:27:30
  and I was on ex wife number three and I put out that if anybody can't afford my book, I'll send them a free copy if they send me a sob story,
• 1:27:39
  okay?
• 1:27:40
  And so, we got the price of the book down to $5 on the Eversion,
• 1:27:45
  okay? So, Shane writes me a sob story, tested me, I'm pretty sure because I don't think he's quite that destitute. He lives right down the block from Apple for god's sakes. So, anyway, he tests me, sends me an Email. I send him the book and he goes, well, Roger, I'm
• 1:28:01
  kind of an unusual situation here. I'm half black, half white, and I'm adopted.
• 1:28:06
  What do I do?
• 1:28:09
  I said, hell, Shane. I don't know.
• 1:28:12
  So,
• 1:28:14
  he fashioned up an affidavit and sent it in and by the end, you got a passport, didn't you, Shane?
• 1:28:21
  Unknown: No. Actually, they Oh, and I don't back, they gave me the bluff letters, and I put it back in all correct, and yes. Then I got a passport. There you go.
• 1:28:32
  Unknown: So we've had people like Shane, we've had blacks, we've had whites, and we've had one naturalized person do this. Now, Michael, it's important for me to add here, you do not
• 1:28:44
  have to put this into them with a passport application.
• 1:28:49
  If you don't can't afford it or for whatever reason don't think it's applicable,
• 1:28:54
  you can just send them the the flat affidavit
• 1:28:57
  and put it in your administrative file and it achieves
• 1:29:00
  the same effect. Bob too, this a guy here, one of my listeners that the only one to my knowledge that the state department has actually reached out and called
• 1:29:10
  one day about this. Hey, Bob. How you doing?
• 1:29:14
  Unknown: Hello, Roger. Hey, man. What's going on? Yeah. I I was feeling excluded.
• 1:29:22
  Yeah.
• 1:29:23
  If I said the phrase, it's good to be king. Would that strike a bell?
• 1:29:30
  Unknown: Well, in a way, I don't know what kind of bell.
• 1:29:35
  Unknown: What? The the guest.
• 1:29:37
  Oh.
• 1:29:39
  Michael.
• 1:29:40
  Unknown: Michael, you there? You're being paged.
• 1:29:45
  Is he is Michael still with us?
• 1:29:49
  Well, it says he is.
• 1:29:52
  I don't know. Okay. Well. Well, I don't know. He doesn't wanna answer, Alright.
• 1:29:56
  Let's do a roll.
• 1:29:58
  Let me do a roll call. Mute. Let me do a roll call here. I know Shane's with us. Bob, you're with us. Thomas, are you still with us? I'm with you.
• 1:30:07
  Yes, sir. I'm still here. Michael, are you still with us?
• 1:30:14
  Unknown: Well, we lost the main attack.
• 1:30:17
  Unknown: It's a mute.
• 1:30:19
  Unknown: Well, should I call him and get him back in here or what, Thomas?
• 1:30:24
  Unknown: Sure. Get him back. Alright, I can add him. Michael, you
• 1:30:28
  might be muted, Michael or
• 1:30:31
  Unknown: hang up. If not, and Roger will call you right back. I'm calling him back right now. We'll see if he answers.
• 1:30:38
  Unknown: My here he is. Hey, I'm back. There he is.
• 1:30:43
  Unknown: Oops. Michael, you're back, right?
• 1:30:46
  I am. Yeah. Okay. Good. Because my listener had a question for you. Now, Bob. Now pose it.
• 1:30:54
  Unknown: Well, I didn't catch the name, but I think I know who I'm talking to. If I said the phrase, it's good to be king, would that strike a chord?
• 1:31:01
  Unknown: Yeah. It certainly does.
• 1:31:04
  Unknown: Okay. Then I know I'm speaking to Michael Bednaric. Alright. Well, I didn't catch the name, but in listening to the story, I have seen several of your videos over the years, and I appreciate your contribution.
• 1:31:15
  And I
• 1:31:16
  would have to agree with Roger and you that
• 1:31:20
  impugning
• 1:31:21
  the the integrity
• 1:31:23
  and and wisdom
• 1:31:25
  of the American populace,
• 1:31:28
  it's not forbidden here because we all know that sheep
• 1:31:32
  when the when Christ told people sheep, it wasn't necessarily a compliment.
• 1:31:41
  But, anyway,
• 1:31:43
  well, I just wanted to call in and confirm that it was who I thought it was and say that I appreciated your efforts over the years.
• 1:31:50
  And I can also appreciate your your frustration,
• 1:31:54
  although I hadn't invested as much. But, yeah, I was I may be the only lucky fellow, but then again, maybe some have and didn't actually
• 1:32:02
  ever mention it. I actually got a phone call from the state department
• 1:32:05
  after the bluff letter just reconfirming that, you know, we can't we
• 1:32:10
  can't issue these to anybody but US citizens. And
• 1:32:14
  and finally,
• 1:32:15
  I said, ma'am,
• 1:32:17
  just confirm this for me. Is my
• 1:32:21
  affidavit
• 1:32:23
  in my file?
• 1:32:24
  And she said, yeah. But I said, good. That's all I need to know. I don't care what you call me. Just send me the password. And that's where it ends, didn't they? Send me the password. And that's where the rubber meets the road, Michael. I'm gonna tell you why. Because of an 1835
• 1:32:37
  Unknown: court case.
• 1:32:39
  Thomas knows this case, he was familiar with it.
• 1:32:42
  So this is before the Civil War,
• 1:32:45
  1835,
• 1:32:47
  and I can't pronounce the style of the case because it's some weird names,
• 1:32:52
  but the case says that the passport
• 1:32:55
  is an ex parte document
• 1:32:58
  and is simply issued by the Secretary of State to persons traveling internationally
• 1:33:03
  so that they're known between nations as they travel,
• 1:33:07
  but
• 1:33:08
  if it's a question of citizenship,
• 1:33:12
  it's much more important on what documentation
• 1:33:16
  the Secretary of State has in his possession
• 1:33:19
  if
• 1:33:20
  admissible
• 1:33:22
  in admissible form for the court of law,
• 1:33:26
  which should be admitted as the higher and better evidence.
• 1:33:29
  So that's why we suggest affidavits
• 1:33:32
  because they can't rebut them and they're automatically admissible in any court and they bypass the laws of evidence if they're in your administrative folder,
• 1:33:41
  so that right there is where the rubber meets the road.
• 1:33:46
  Unknown: You I'd
• 1:33:49
  like to compare affidavits.
• 1:33:51
  I've I've
• 1:33:53
  written my own and I had one written for me that got me the passport,
• 1:33:58
  but I'd like to know what affidavit
• 1:34:01
  Unknown: that you guys are using. I use one that we wrote. My my teachers were Glenn Glenn Ambort and John Benson. John Benson was the legal mind.
• 1:34:10
  I'm sure he wrote this and it's a five page affidavit.
• 1:34:15
  It's in the back of my book. I I can send you a copy. I've got a copy scan somewhere around here
• 1:34:21
  but you know, we don't have to do all that,
• 1:34:23
  okay? I I maintain that you could write out on a piece of paper probably in crayon,
• 1:34:29
  honestly.
• 1:34:30
  Right. I'm not related to black slaves after the Civil War and send that to them and it'd effectively do the same thing.
• 1:34:40
  Yeah. Okay?
• 1:34:41
  Now, the reason I suggest one page
• 1:34:45
  is because some people like to file them locally,
• 1:34:48
  either in the property records there
• 1:34:51
  where you live or with the sheriff or or other officials there in your area
• 1:34:58
  and because you're effectively now, once it's in possession and un rebutted of the Secretary of State,
• 1:35:04
  that's the highest guy in the country. He's got the ultimate authority over matters of citizenship,
• 1:35:09
  period, in the federal government, period,
• 1:35:12
  okay?
• 1:35:13
  Once you've got it settled with him, then you go give it to your local guys, and some people, when we were instructed in this years ago, we were even taught to go file them at the property records office.
• 1:35:25
  That's the only place we filed them, and you know why? It's because you're considered property
• 1:35:31
  and you're taking yourself out of that condition
• 1:35:35
  there locally on property records office
• 1:35:38
  which fulfills due process because they're public records.
• 1:35:45
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:35:45
  So, anybody I have your book in front of me. I have a
• 1:35:50
  Unknown: PDF copy of it. I know that I've read it Right. In the back past. Right. Well, go back to the back. I think I found At the back is the affidavit there. It's got some wonderful sights that John put in there. You know, slaughterhouse cases, Wong Kim Ark, Elk V Wilkins, I think is in there and all those do is substantiate the position of course but all you're really doing as we've come to understand it is all you gotta do is rebut the presumption.
• 1:36:17
  Once you've done that with the particular person to do it with,
• 1:36:21
  you're
• 1:36:22
  out, baby.
• 1:36:25
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:36:26
  Well, I arrived in California or excuse me, arrived in Texas '97.
• 1:36:31
  '98, I decided to file my own affidavit,
• 1:36:34
  And I went to the county courthouse, which was two blocks from my office building.
• 1:36:40
  And the woman said, well, affidavit of sovereignty, I've never seen one of those. She goes, let me go,
• 1:36:46
  you know, see what I'm supposed to do with it. Well, she was gone for about twenty minutes and I thought
• 1:36:52
  that's long enough for them to get the police up here and arrest me.
• 1:36:55
  And she came back all smiles because, oh, now I know where we're gonna put it and they put it under real property. Yep.
• 1:37:04
  Yep. It's like, no kidding. Well, was kind of my one of my first clues. Yep.
• 1:37:11
  Unknown: Well, here's the question that gives you the answer to that. Where does the IRS file their liens?
• 1:37:19
  Unknown: I have no idea where they file. In the property records
• 1:37:23
  Unknown: office because you're their property.
• 1:37:27
  Unknown: Yeah. Okay, so here's the lien. They put it let's get technical here. What they file in the property records office, they call a notice of lien.
• 1:37:37
  The lien is in the bowels of the treasury department because it's a statute staple
• 1:37:42
  contract,
• 1:37:43
  which is a ten forty form that you might not have filled out, okay? But they go ahead and fill out one for you and insert it into the process.
• 1:37:52
  So,
• 1:37:53
  that that's the way that happens. So, the
• 1:37:57
  they filed the notice a lien in the property records office where you live,
• 1:38:02
  and on that piece of paper, Michael, there's three pieces of information:
• 1:38:06
  your name in all capital letters,
• 1:38:08
  the address where they've got you assigned,
• 1:38:11
  and the amount you owe at the bottom.
• 1:38:14
  Those are the only three pieces of information on the paper. Alright?
• 1:38:18
  Right. So what if you rent your home or apartment
• 1:38:23
  and don't own it, what property is the lien on now?
• 1:38:28
  You. Exactly.
• 1:38:31
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:38:35
  Unknown: So
• 1:38:36
  well, I
• 1:38:39
  yeah.
• 1:38:40
  I, for the most part, ignore the government.
• 1:38:44
  They have no authority over me whatsoever.
• 1:38:49
  And I've written
• 1:38:51
  my second book was called Secret to Sovereignty,
• 1:38:54
  which explains all the things I've done,
• 1:38:57
  you know, to basically ignore the government because it's irrelevant.
• 1:39:01
  Unknown: Well
• 1:39:03
  Can I pick some nits with you here, for example's sake? Sure.
• 1:39:07
  Okay. And you say ignore the government.
• 1:39:10
  Well, as you were talking about being a constitution
• 1:39:15
  professor earlier.
• 1:39:16
  Right. And this is came from John, my teacher, okay? And this is how we use those words incorrectly
• 1:39:23
  as I was chiding Thomas for earlier before he joined us,
• 1:39:28
  and why?
• 1:39:29
  And that term right there, the government. Well, you don't ignore the government, you ignore the agents of government,
• 1:39:36
  because we, the people, have a contract
• 1:39:39
  which was signed long ago
• 1:39:41
  that is our agreement,
• 1:39:43
  and we elect representatives
• 1:39:45
  to represent us
• 1:39:47
  up there, and they hire agents to execute the laws they pass.
• 1:39:52
  So they're not the government, they're the agents
• 1:39:55
  of government and what that means is that they've got restricted
• 1:39:59
  areas of responsibility
• 1:40:01
  and authority that they can operate in and if for some reason, they stray outside of those very rigid lines,
• 1:40:09
  now they're personally liable.
• 1:40:12
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:40:14
  So I've had police
• 1:40:17
  officers
• 1:40:18
  that were
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  it's almost like on television. You know, they're acting good cop, bad cop.
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  And in just a matter of minutes, I've had them practically in tears asking
• 1:40:31
  them
• 1:40:32
  asking me to leave them alone.
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  But,
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  yeah, it's
• 1:40:40
  a whole system.
• 1:40:42
  They they
• 1:40:43
  presume
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  Unknown: way too much authority. Well, they presume everything, and you see, here's what they've really been able to utilize doing this. It serves two purposes for them, and it's why they particularly chose the feudal system system to mimic and bring in under this disguise.
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  The first thing it does
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  is because of this system, we got proof of this by the way now, and I can go over that from one of your fellow Texans, one of my good students.
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  When you're born,
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  now being considered property,
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  you are represented as property by a document called a birth certificate,
• 1:41:23
  which we think is a warehouse receipt technically,
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  and
• 1:41:28
  you're then securitized and collateralized,
• 1:41:31
  and that's some kind of the basis of financial
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  system.
• 1:41:35
  Here's how I think it ties in, but that's part of it. The other thing that happens
• 1:41:40
  is it allows them to write all these man made laws in the administrative state and enforce them on you, because they're all written for residents,
• 1:41:49
  with the exception of one
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  rare
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  little
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  loophole in Title 26
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  where there's two sections of the Internal Revenue Code, 871B
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  and 877B,
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  that are written for US nationals.
• 1:42:07
  Those
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  constitutional taxes.
• 1:42:09
  Every other regulation in all 50 titles of the Code of Federal Regulations
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  is all written for residents.
• 1:42:18
  I see. So you've got their ability to collateralize
• 1:42:21
  you as the basis of the financial system that controls the world over on one hand, and on the other hand they've got the ability
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  to write laws
• 1:42:32
  and have them administered
• 1:42:34
  by these unelected people called bureaucrats.
• 1:42:38
  So those are the two powers that that gives them. When you file this paperwork
• 1:42:43
  and they can't rebut it at the Secretary of State,
• 1:42:46
  I believe it dissolves both of those conditions.
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  Somewhere in the bowels of the Treasury Department,
• 1:42:53
  you're not considered
• 1:42:55
  property anymore,
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  and no man made laws can attach to you.
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  You move back over under the common law in essence,
• 1:43:04
  Actually, in fact, okay?
• 1:43:07
  And so, that's why this is so important and this is pretty simple and and for to get across to the masses because the masses in the future are looking for answers.
• 1:43:17
  I mean, even the small percentage that we're dealing with, and so I have really worked very consciously and diligently
• 1:43:24
  to try and get this stuff simplified
• 1:43:26
  as easy as possible for quick absorption and uptake.
• 1:43:33
  Unknown: Well, that's that's my specialty. I'm looking for a job as a
• 1:43:37
  technical trainer right now. Well, you may we may Because I I take complex ideas and,
• 1:43:43
  Unknown: you know, turn them into, oh, so that's what they meant. Well, you know, I don't I don't I don't know about our pay grades around here. They're pretty low.
• 1:43:54
  But we got a lot of dedicated
• 1:43:56
  Unknown: workers.
• 1:43:57
  You know, what the old guy told me one time, he says, if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
• 1:44:07
  Unknown: Maybe we're a bunch of maybe we're a bunch of monkeys around here, but we are accomplishing things.
• 1:44:13
  And when you get the State Department,
• 1:44:17
  Department of State of the United States,
• 1:44:19
  of America too, by the way,
• 1:44:22
  and you get them to change their most important public information gathering form because of what you're teaching,
• 1:44:29
  I think that you've
• 1:44:31
  hit the bell.
• 1:44:33
  Unknown: Yeah. Well,
• 1:44:36
  I'm I'm all in favor of it. So, I'd
• 1:44:41
  wanna just get some confirmation
• 1:44:44
  from the federal government
• 1:44:46
  that would help convince
• 1:44:48
  the people who are not quite convinced yet. Well,
• 1:44:51
  Unknown: this is an individual decision. I never tell people to do this and I never have and I never will, Michael, and this is the reason. Because of the operation you go through here and moving back over under god's laws and the common law, it's not my decision.
• 1:45:07
  It's not my place to tell you to make that decision one way or the other. I don't know your life. I don't know your circumstances.
• 1:45:15
  I don't know all the burdens that you're under but I do know that up to this point, most people did not know they had a choice
• 1:45:23
  and my
• 1:45:25
  mandate is to try and let people know they've got a choice.
• 1:45:29
  Whatever decisions they make subsequently to that is up to them. If they need help, I'll be happy to help them, but it's not my duty to tell them to do it.
• 1:45:40
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:45:43
  And in my book, I
• 1:45:46
  suggest very much the same thing. It's like, you gotta want it. You know? This is an attitude. And if you don't
• 1:45:53
  you don't go for it yourself, then you're you're never gonna What? You're never gonna achieve it. Let me tell you how I say it around here, Michael. Freedom ain't free.
• 1:46:06
  What was it? Freedom
• 1:46:08
  Unknown: ain't free.
• 1:46:10
  Unknown: Oh, oh, yeah.
• 1:46:12
  I I have a comment.
• 1:46:14
  Okay, Shane. Yeah.
• 1:46:17
  Okay.
• 1:46:18
  I believe when you go through the process of doing the password
• 1:46:24
  application,
• 1:46:27
  you're not messing you are not
• 1:46:30
  expatriating.
• 1:46:31
  But what you what you are doing is you are
• 1:46:34
  repatriating.
• 1:46:35
  Unknown: That's in a very important a very important point, Shane, and I'm glad you brought it up
• 1:46:41
  because the uninitiated
• 1:46:43
  out
• 1:46:44
  there as you're talking to them about this stuff,
• 1:46:47
  they don't know the difference in those two terms.
• 1:46:51
  If you want to expatriate
• 1:46:53
  and there's thousands of people that are doing it now,
• 1:46:56
  it'll cost you between 4 and $5,000
• 1:46:59
  and take about six months.
• 1:47:01
  But you can repatriate
• 1:47:03
  real easy by just sending them an affidavit.
• 1:47:08
  Unknown: And, also, I would like to say is
• 1:47:10
  you cannot make something you cannot make it something straight
• 1:47:15
  which was made crooked.
• 1:47:18
  Unknown: That's correct, Shane. So
• 1:47:21
  Unknown: what's made crooked cannot cannot be made straight.
• 1:47:27
  Unknown: Unless, you know I know we got a bunch of people The concept. That that are real crooked in their thinking and their ideals and goals that are running the world,
• 1:47:37
  but I see them losing by the day.
• 1:47:40
  And
• 1:47:41
  for those of us, and I know there's some listeners that have probably been in this a long time too,
• 1:47:47
  I've been in this stuff almost thirty years, okay?
• 1:47:50
  And I would have never,
• 1:47:52
  within the last few years, ever dreamed we had much hope,
• 1:47:56
  and I see hope all over the place every day now.
• 1:48:00
  So the worm is turning in our favor,
• 1:48:03
  and there is going to be a time
• 1:48:05
  people want to hear this information we've got that we talk about every day.
• 1:48:14
  Any comments?
• 1:48:17
  Unknown: No,
• 1:48:18
  not for me.
• 1:48:20
  I'm hoping that you're, you know, correct. And I'd
• 1:48:25
  I would love to see a wave of people,
• 1:48:28
  you know, submitting paperwork and basically
• 1:48:31
  changing the way we do business in The United States. But
• 1:48:36
  I will take for granted that you see that because I don't
• 1:48:40
  Unknown: don't have any of that evidence. Well, I have seen it in my own activities, and I've seen it with my students and the people that I've interacted with, Michael. Let me tell you the story about this is recent.
• 1:48:53
  Another one of your techs he's in Austin, as a matter of fact. You two might actually cross paths,
• 1:48:58
  and his name is Brian Howard,
• 1:49:01
  and he was a four year full scholarship football player there at UT, okay? And the guy's pretty fearless,
• 1:49:07
  alright?
• 1:49:08
  And he heard me about, I don't know, five, six years ago on Joyce Riley,
• 1:49:12
  bought the book, read it, thought about it, tracked me down on one of these other radio networks I was on, and he and I have been working together.
• 1:49:20
  The first thing he did was he had moved, he was in Idaho, left Texas, went to Idaho,
• 1:49:26
  and I
• 1:49:27
  had read something in Oklahoma driver's
• 1:49:29
  manual that made me think that you could get a state issued
• 1:49:34
  driver's license as a US national.
• 1:49:39
  I got on there and started talking about it, and Brian called me up. He says, I'm in Idaho. I need a new driver's license. I'll do that and so, he did and
• 1:49:49
  they refused him and because we took the administrative process,
• 1:49:53
  we took it, he took it all the way up to the director of transportation
• 1:49:57
  of the state of Idaho, okay? And the guy wouldn't sign anything.
• 1:50:01
  He sent us and they tried to trick us at every turn,
• 1:50:04
  and we finally got him backed into a corner, and he came out and said, We can't issue driver's licenses,
• 1:50:10
  state issued to anybody that's not a resident. Boom.
• 1:50:15
  Now Brian could have taken that on to court there and pressed it, and he didn't. He decided to walk away, which is okay, I understand.
• 1:50:22
  A couple years later he's moved back to Texas. He's got two daughters,
• 1:50:26
  they were both born in the same hospital.
• 1:50:29
  They're in Austin,
• 1:50:31
  and so he's got this birth certificate in his craw,
• 1:50:36
  and he starts poking around down there with the administrative people to try and find out the process
• 1:50:42
  that revolves around the birth certificate,
• 1:50:45
  okay?
• 1:50:46
  So he goes to the administrative part and asks this lady, and she's real nice, and he's very nice too,
• 1:50:52
  and he's saying, I'm just building a file for my daughters later on in life, they'll have all their important paperwork. So he feeds him a line, and the lady finally comes back
• 1:51:02
  and says, I need to direct you down to the basement.
• 1:51:07
  And so on about the second or third trip, he gets down to the basement where all this happens.
• 1:51:13
  So he gets in front of the lady that she sent him to, and he asked, tells her what he's doing, and the lady says, Wait a minute.
• 1:51:21
  And she goes off for about ten minutes, he said, Okay?
• 1:51:26
  And she comes back,
• 1:51:27
  and the very first words out of her mouth are,
• 1:51:31
  You're not going to use anything I tell you against us, are you?
• 1:51:38
  Okay,
• 1:51:39
  so she lays out the process to him.
• 1:51:44
  When a child is born,
• 1:51:46
  there's a piece of paper generated internally
• 1:51:49
  called a verification
• 1:51:51
  fact
• 1:51:52
  sheet,
• 1:51:53
  and it's got all the baby's
• 1:51:56
  vitals weight, color hair, all that probably footprint,
• 1:52:00
  all that stuff on it, and at the bottom there's a place where it can be signed by the mother and the father.
• 1:52:08
  It's never signed by the mother and the father.
• 1:52:12
  The verification
• 1:52:13
  fact sheet is taken over to a computer terminal,
• 1:52:17
  a government
• 1:52:19
  computer
• 1:52:20
  terminal,
• 1:52:21
  which is in every hospital
• 1:52:23
  in The United States,
• 1:52:26
  and the information on the verification
• 1:52:29
  fact sheet is input into the government computer
• 1:52:33
  where it is then transferred
• 1:52:35
  to the Bureau of Vital Statistics
• 1:52:38
  where the information
• 1:52:40
  generates the birth certificate,
• 1:52:42
  which is then put into
• 1:52:45
  a twenty four hour a day,
• 1:52:47
  seven day a week guarded
• 1:52:50
  safe.
• 1:52:53
  That's the process.
• 1:53:01
  Nothing suspicious there. You are born as a piece of property exactly under the feudal era with a thousand years of legal precedent
• 1:53:11
  being represented by the fourteenth amendment.
• 1:53:14
  All persons born are naturalized.
• 1:53:18
  That presumption
• 1:53:19
  attaches to everyone
• 1:53:21
  born in The United States.
• 1:53:25
  Unknown: Hey, Roger. Can I jump in here? Sure. Is that Ben?
• 1:53:30
  This is Thomas. Oh, hey, Thomas. Sound like Ben. I was speaking to Michael other day on the phone. It was a really awesome conversation.
• 1:53:40
  And you just mentioned something about filing this affidavit with your county clerk. Now,
• 1:53:46
  or
• 1:53:47
  Unknown: county, yeah, county clerk. In the property. Michael. The proper in the property records office.
• 1:53:54
  On the property roles
• 1:53:56
  where they file real property.
• 1:53:59
  Unknown: Okay. Michael had mentioned something the other day about filing a affidavit of sovereignty with his county. Well, you can do that. Is that where you is that where you file that, Michael, with the property And and
• 1:54:13
  Unknown: I also told you that they ended up putting it under real
• 1:54:18
  Unknown: property. Right. Real because that's what you're considered. Real. See, that's why you file it there. The reason you file it there is because that's where the IRS files their real property liens.
• 1:54:29
  Unknown: Yeah. Can you can you share that affidavits with me?
• 1:54:34
  Michael, I sent you Rogers
• 1:54:36
  the other day
• 1:54:39
  through
• 1:54:40
  Facebook
• 1:54:41
  on that private messenger. You said something about wanting to see that was that was Rogers.
• 1:54:48
  Unknown: Okay. But
• 1:54:50
  Unknown: I've got I have some really detailed paperwork but II don't even like it anymore. So, I'm going to do this but hey, does anybody have anything on this property tax? How we eliminate this fraudulent
• 1:55:04
  fourteenth amendment government
• 1:55:06
  and its US citizens from collecting on
• 1:55:10
  our property.
• 1:55:11
  Got be something we could go over on
• 1:55:14
  Thursday.
• 1:55:15
  Unknown: We're coming down to the end of the show here now. There's a there's a gal from Texas out there that's one of my listeners, Thomas,
• 1:55:23
  that's 70
• 1:55:24
  years old and she raises wolves
• 1:55:26
  and she lives off the grid
• 1:55:29
  and I think I don't know how I but she gave me the idea because
• 1:55:34
  it happened to her. You sell your property for a dollar another consideration.
• 1:55:40
  Okay?
• 1:55:41
  And then whoever's the new buyer doesn't put it on the property rolls.
• 1:55:45
  When they come back to you because you've got registered on the property roles, you go, I don't own that property anymore.
• 1:55:54
  Noodle on that. Noodle noodle on that. I heard about that.
• 1:56:02
  Unknown: Go ahead. No, that's okay. We're about to end the show. Whistler's going to come in here in a second but Michael, listen, I heard a guy. I heard of a guy doing this a few years back and then I heard of a guy doing this over in Hardin County, Texas.
• 1:56:17
  He sold his property
• 1:56:19
  and
• 1:56:20
  the payment was in silver or gold. I think it was silver. Yeah. 144
• 1:56:25
  pieces of silver or something like that.
• 1:56:28
  Unknown: Well, you don't even have to stipulate all that. All you have to put is $1 Mhmm. Another valuable or $10 another valuable consideration.
• 1:56:37
  Unknown: Yep. Do you have anything on this, Michael?
• 1:56:41
  Unknown: No. I don't.
• 1:56:43
  Unknown: Well, that's just a little gimmick. She went over on the air one day and I thought, that's pretty clever, man. That might just work, you know?
• 1:56:50
  Okay. Well, Paul's gonna be with us tomorrow. Michael,
• 1:56:53
  I invite you. Thomas, tell him how you can listen to the network, and I invite you to become a a regular listener and participant if you choose.
• 1:57:01
  And we'll be back tomorrow with my English friend, Paul, that allowed all this to happen the way it is and
• 1:57:08
  discuss no telling what and we can get back into this on Thursday if you guys want to. So, have a good Tuesday. I'm off to have lunch with the expats and Michael, thanks for joining us along with everybody else and I'll see y'all tomorrow. Have a great Tuesday, okay?
• 1:57:24
  Unknown: Thank you so much. Thank you, Roger.
• 1:57:26
  Unknown: Great show, guys. Thanks. Thanks, man. Thanks for being here, Michael. Yep. Ciao ciao from
• 1:58:24
  Unknown: Blasting the Voice of Freedom Worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
• 1:58:30
  Unknown: Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.