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'Partners in Rhyme' w/ Rana Marathon & Mark Richardson · You Call That Radio?

• 0:02
  Speaker A: Good evening and welcome to. You call that Radio tv. Tonight we're going to be joined by Partners in Rhyme, AKA Mark Richardson and Ran a marathon. They've got a show at the Dundee Fringe, so we're going to be talking about that and a bunch of other things. Just before we start, I just obviously, as you call that radio. So there's no adverts. We don't do adverts. It's just powered by the patrons. But I wanted to just shout out our gig, Gyro Babies and Jinx Lennon in Derry on the 9th of November. And that's the last date of the Irish tour just been announced today that follows the Spirit Store in Dundalk in the Saturday the 8th and before that it's started off in Dublin, the Thomas House on Friday the 7th. So J babies and Jinx Lennon on tour this November. So I just thought I'd mention that, hopefully see you there. Mark Richardson's in the house.
• 1:09
  Speaker B: Hello. Hello.
• 1:12
  Speaker A: The slam champion. You won the. You call that radio's Poet of the universe baseball?
• 1:19
  Speaker B: I did that. I did that, mate.
• 1:24
  Speaker A: And ironically you were in the final with our other guest Run a Marathon, who is. Yeah, Knock is still running the marathon, but we'll be here very soon.
• 1:35
  Speaker B: Yeah, well, she should be. Should be on time, but because I thought I might be a bit Alex, I had a few things to do, but it turns out I'm on time and she's late. So it's true what they say about women, that I was like, no, I can't say anything.
• 1:47
  Speaker A: Timekeeping's not my special power superpower. While we're waiting right now, how did the. We'll just talk about that. The championship, because obviously you went through.
• 1:56
  Speaker B: The Scottish Championship and the Panopticon Theater in Glasgow. So it was a great experience, mate. Yeah. So there was 10. There was 10 ports. Right, well, got. Got to do two. Two poems each. We got judged on each. Each poem. Right. And funnily enough, the. The first poem I had done, the one about psoriasis, that actually got the best audience reaction from the whole night. See, like through. I got probably one of the. The second best club at the end. But actually through the. Throughout the poem, the, the audience were in stitches and it was the most like, audience interaction, like laughter throughout the whole. The whole night. Yeah. But so I got. I think I scored third highest on that poem. So I was really. I was really confident. But then my next poem, it was the one with my neighbor. I don't know if I touched too much. It was A bit more brutal. Sort of like maybe you touched on a few things. But that. That brought me. I didn't get as much. I did done okay. But brought my score right. Well, not right down. But that brought my score down. And I never got into the final. But I was out of 10 ports. I came about halfway. So I was right and I made my mark. Yeah, left definitely. I made my mark. So I was quite happy. I wasn't. I didn't expect to win, to be honest with you, anyway. But like it was after that. After how well, my first PO doing that, like that just gave us pure super confidence about anything because I knew real if pure rock. The audience said I loved it. So I was buzzing. I was buzzing just from that performance alone for like a couple of weeks after. And then inspired us to write a bit. Another three poems. Write performance pieces that I'm really happy with, so. Because I was kind of going through a bit. No, like, you know, yourself being a writer, sometimes you. You. You've got a few made pieces you for. For maybe four or five pos you really like. But after a while you started to get a bit sort of like boredom yourself. Even if other people haven't heard them, you still. You sort of gets a bit monotonous in your own brain when you're saying them. So now I've got another three or four ones that are really like that wrote in the last like six, seven months. And that's since that slam. So I was definitely inspired. Yeah.
• 3:52
  Speaker A: Amazing, man. That's good stuff.
• 3:55
  Speaker B: Good. Yeah.
• 3:55
  Speaker A: Yeah. It's. It's weird because you got. You've got to get that little. Because obviously when something's new, it's exciting, but it's difficult to remember. It's about. It's a bit. You get a bit. You can get a bit nervous because you're about over the place. You maybe don't know how it all works. And then there's that sort of sweet spot like, you know, I've been feeling that just now we've done some of the new songs. Is that the muscle memory is kicking in? Yeah, but it's not completely there. So I can't think about what I'm having for my dinner yet. So it's quite a good space to bend because you still got to memorize it. But you know, it's all there. But yeah. Then. Then eventually you learn it too well and you forget what it's what. Yeah, it gets boring after a while.
• 4:40
  Speaker B: It's like, you know, my seagull PO me like that was. That sort of made loads of people do that like seven years ago was right. But I've said that my many time myself like as I said it last week in Perth and it was quite. Because there was a guy on before me at the open mic in Perth, Howell Porter. He. He done a poem about getting Easter bake. So for a seagull. So for. I've got. I've got to do this poem after and dedicated to him. And it was actually. I hadn't performed it for ages now. It was quite fresh. It went. Did well and I was. Because I hadn't performed it for so long. I was actually enjoyed it and then. Yeah. So it was good. But it's just. But I know what you mean. Just. It's a bit of monotonous in your own head going over it.
• 5:17
  Speaker A: I don't even know why I would do if I. If I was there a spoken word. It's been a while since I've done one. I would probably just be doing the same set for seven years ago. I've not get. I've not actually tried to turn in and spoken for a while. You.
• 5:28
  Speaker B: You've got a thing as well. Like. Obviously not everyone's heard these poems. Yeah. So to them like everyone. That Perth thing last week. Like half the people. Like most. Most of the people there I never met before. So that's the first thing they've heard that seagull poem. Even though I've said it like a thousand times in my head. And like the people that come to the gigs, usually I've heard of it but it wasn't a Met gig so it was a total fresh audience. So yeah, it's good enough.
• 5:50
  Speaker A: But speaking of Perth. Speaking of Perth. Ran a marathon is in the house.
• 5:57
  Speaker B: Oh, she's up here.
• 5:59
  Speaker C: Can you hear me?
• 6:00
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
• 6:01
  Speaker C: Sorry I'm running late. I got held up at the football. Not me playing football. The real AD was playing football. So. Yeah. Sorry football. More stuff.
• 6:11
  Speaker A: That's okay. I. I believe that bad timekeeping is. Is fine. I think it's okay.
• 6:21
  Speaker B: Artistic license. Yeah. Like us like an artist. So we'll let her off.
• 6:26
  Speaker A: No, it's. It's controversial. You know it's controversial to say that bad. Bad timekeeping is okay. I know that it's contra. It's. People always go. But I don't like being early. You know, I'd rather be late than early.
• 6:38
  Speaker B: I. I like to be right on time. Eh.
• 6:40
  Speaker C: I'm usually an early bird. I am pretty punctual.
• 6:43
  Speaker B: Yeah but it's just. I don't know, it's because I've traveled a lot and like I've missed planes a few times and that. So now I like to really give myself four hours in advance, not when. I mean people. When going on planes can.
• 6:54
  Speaker A: Well, we're talking about poems actually that was a. That was one of my early poems called Mr. Punctual and it was me boasting about how on time I was. I can't remember exactly what it was. I am the greatest timekeeper, a rhyme speaker. He catches the bus earlier with a spare pair of sneakers. I don't know exactly how it went, but that. Yeah, well actually that was a question I want to ask what was his partners in rhyme? Dundee Fringe, the Mora. What is your. Can you remember your earliest dream? What was the first dream you came up with?
• 7:28
  Speaker B: Probably something daft of school. No, I was like, really? But that. I think I'm the earliest but I didn't even think of poems and just stupid rhymes I made up in primary school now and maybe first year but the actual first poem I rhyme, I wrote like when I started to write answered kind of thing about it, I might tell you. I went, it was like in a house party one night and it was. That Groover Madder song was on I feel good, I feel high. So I just kept making up my own words to that and that's how I got in arraignments already and then just started putting me a thought on it. But I can't actually mind the rhymes.
• 8:05
  Speaker C: I remember my first poem, I was in primary school, I think I was in primary seven and I was staying with my dad at the time and it was a poem about, oh, Daddy, won't you buy me a pair of Nike Air Max trainers. And it was in pure Scottish slang and my dad was Turkish so like he never spoke to me like that. And I remember I actually. My mum entered it in a poetry competition and I won but you had to pay all this money to see it being published in the book. And my mom was just like, oh nah, that's a bloody can, we're not buying that. So I never ever got to see it.
• 8:40
  Speaker A: I think I did a poem at school about an apple and it was. It wasn't my choice. I think we had to. I think we were told dear poem on a piece of fruit or a vegetable. And mine was called Mean Green Apple. I can't remember. I can't remember in it but I mean, I think it got published, you know, my first publishing gig maybe like In a. Maybe like in a school newsletter or something. It wasn't a paid gig. I mean, been published a few times. Never been paid for any of them either.
• 9:10
  Speaker B: No.
• 9:10
  Speaker A: Yeah, published poet, but I'm a published poet, I suppose. Mostly unemployed, underemployed poet. Call the musters in the house. All right, Lovely. Spending time on my way home from we Solar Fest. Enjoying the chat?
• 9:24
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 9:24
  Speaker C: John was. John the car with us on the way back?
• 9:28
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 9:29
  Speaker C: Mark was absolutely hanging. Mark, Other Mark. There's two Marks here. So who am I going to Mark Door On Monday, I slept for like.
• 9:41
  Speaker B: 20 minutes before I had to go. And mind you, thought the bottle of water was water and it was straight vodka before I got in. But like 10 minutes later I'd say I was no bar I could do with Maryland because it kicked in for the journey home and it felt like pleasantly drunk again, Ken. So it was all right.
• 9:55
  Speaker A: Wait, how much. How much straight vodka did you accidentally drink before you noticed?
• 10:00
  Speaker B: It was. I took it, like opened the lid and just. It was like parsed. So I just took out a gulp and it was a fucking el. Straight vodka, but it was a pure gulp. And I don't know if I went back for a better kind of mind.
• 10:13
  Speaker C: I was like getting ready in the morning. We were pulling the tent down and Mark just unzips his zips his tent and he's like, oh, it's actually really that time that we're having to pack up now.
• 10:24
  Speaker B: I could hear them for like 10, 15 minutes. Maybe the baby was all right. Hey, God. But all the way in the tent, like. Like an hour before, right? Because it came out, there was stragglers. I was just hit a bladder in and it came on pitched the rain. So that's the only reason I went with 10. It was like. It was already like half sex and we had to leave it like halfway or something. So I just laced there in the top of tent like basically as you do. But it was a great festival. It was really enjoyed.
• 10:49
  Speaker A: It was good. But the weather was great up until. Yeah, till the morning. Well, it was really about the time that I was allowed to start enjoying myself. It just started raining. That was about. I thought it was about three in the morning or something like that. And then it started raining and then it did rain for a while when everyone was leaving, it was raining and then. Then it. It got sunny again. So it was a bit more of a chat.
• 11:10
  Speaker C: So what's happening? Is there going to be another festival next year or did you save the hall?
• 11:15
  Speaker A: We Don't. We don't know. I mean we're, we're still in talks. We.
• 11:19
  Speaker B: The.
• 11:19
  Speaker A: I mean every year there's always going to be some complaints and it's up to me to try and address those complaints and hopefully we can, we can do it again next year.
• 11:29
  Speaker C: What was the complaints this year, Mark?
• 11:32
  Speaker A: It's not really some. I don't really want to go into that on a live stream to be honest. But yeah, but yeah, it happens. You've got to remember that we're in a. It's in a. It's in a place where people are used to peace and tranquility. So you know, you're always going to get some, some neighbors and then you've.
• 11:50
  Speaker C: Got folk like Mark Richardson coming along.
• 11:53
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 11:54
  Speaker C: Doing a cyclist poem.
• 12:00
  Speaker A: No, Mark was definitely the least of the problems. He's not. His name's not been mentioned in the, in the committee's notes yet. But I mean every year it's always. It's kind of quite. Remember that 95 of Aaron loves it and the. Yeah, it brings a lot of, you know, brings a lot of business to the style wind and you know everybody's, you know, it's not like a, a very young crowd. You know it makes. People are kind of sort of sort of middle aged I would say, but almost like, you know, I mean 30s, 30 up I would say generally. So it's like everybody looks. Tidies up after themselves and behaves themselves but it's one of those ones where some people don't like the boom boom music. It's just stuff like that. But hopefully, hopefully, I mean we'll be doing. We'll be doing something next year anyway and hopefully it's back in the hole but it might just be a wee bit getting me a bit too big for the hole as well. Just we just be parking space and stuff like that. So it can be quite stressful just trying to get it, you know. I think the problem is because people are getting older. They are. They're more likely to have a van with a bed in it or something like that or they had a van and they're getting a big fancy camper van. And yes, parking space isn't ideal there but it was a really good time and it's Aaron's a beautiful place. I always feel home there. It's beautiful. Jim, that was your first time there, was it?
• 13:26
  Speaker C: Yeah. Absolutely brilliant. Absolutely. Love Darren would love to go back. I will go back.
• 13:32
  Speaker A: I will go back definitely. It's just somewhere I might, I might even Go back. It's September. It's the season as the special season for Aaron as well. Jim Morgan says my first rhyme was about muscle but accent but then some daft difficult one and stole it.
• 13:49
  Speaker B: Are you the toilet mark?
• 13:51
  Speaker A: Muscle bracket. It's a muscle relaxer now I just.
• 13:54
  Speaker B: Read that right my mind. I remember you saying that.
• 13:57
  Speaker A: The thing is that people always look for a hidden meaning. Like when I did it in Muscle Br. Get knocked it for it by saying Muscle Br.
• 14:04
  Speaker C: Did you steal his po, Mark?
• 14:05
  Speaker A: No, no, it's my poem. He's. He's at the wind up. But it's just that. It's just that he. It's what makes that the rhyme good is it rhymes in every accent.
• 14:16
  Speaker B: So muscle accent is a muscle accent.
• 14:20
  Speaker A: There you go.
• 14:22
  Speaker B: A muscle is a muscle tidier. I like it.
• 14:26
  Speaker A: It rhymes every accent. That's what makes it magic. There's not a hidden meaning, you know. That's why it says the best rhyme I've ever written. It's because it rhymes in every accent. We've got shelter mail in the house and what's up mother and father funkers. Hey, Mel shows in the gym in it shows the gym. I've got a. I've got a. I'm on the moon boot. I've got the. I'm on the moon crochet. I've got robo feet so I can. I've been told I'm not to go to the gym. No, that was. No, that, no that was going to the gym that much. But I did do January, February and a bit of March in the gym before I hurt myself.
• 15:04
  Speaker B: Oh, well, I didn't even go back.
• 15:09
  Speaker A: Certainly not. But I did get the way I hurt myself was because I ended up just hitting a forest gump mode where I was just running. I just kept on running and I overdid it, man. But it was the mind over Martin. I just went crazy. Well, run a marathon. Has run a marathon for him.
• 15:25
  Speaker B: Doesn't know.
• 15:26
  Speaker A: Is that, is that your job? Is that what you actually do? Am I right in saying.
• 15:29
  Speaker C: Yeah, I just go around. I just go around running everywhere. Like I'm going to be running to Dundee tomorrow for my gig.
• 15:37
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 15:37
  Speaker B: That's a sports coach here, is it sports therapy?
• 15:40
  Speaker C: Yeah, sports therapy, yeah, yeah.
• 15:42
  Speaker B: So, yeah, there you go. If you, if you get an injury, well, if it doesn't heal, go to her.
• 15:46
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Have you got any, any advice for me? So I've got a, a broken. A fractured metatarsal or something.
• 15:54
  Speaker C: Yeah, well, rest on it. Just now.
• 16:02
  Speaker A: You'Re just going to need your rest. So I've just been sitting in mask, getting fat and sassy.
• 16:07
  Speaker C: Get some heat on it. That'll help to promote. Promote the healing.
• 16:12
  Speaker B: Get a lighter under it, like some heat on it. Just a light.
• 16:15
  Speaker A: And cold. And cold.
• 16:20
  Speaker C: The cold is only for pain. The cold is only for an analgesic effect.
• 16:25
  Speaker A: Right.
• 16:25
  Speaker C: The heat will help to bring blood to the area and will help to promote recovery and promote the healing.
• 16:31
  Speaker A: Interesting. Okay. The pain. The pain's not been bad, you know, like I played the. But the last time I've probably went properly was the bars gig last week and because I was on my feet for most of the day, I. I had to take painkillers the next day. Strong painkillers.
• 16:47
  Speaker B: How did I go against it?
• 16:50
  Speaker A: I went well, man, it went well. I kind of complain. It was just. It was. But obviously I didn't take any painkillers because I was wanting to have a wee drink after I played. So that way I mix it, obviously. So I just. It was quite. I was quite sore, like doing the sound checking, hanging a bit, waiting. But yeah, no, the adrenaline kicked in and a couple of beers and I didn't feel a thing until the next day.
• 17:09
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 17:10
  Speaker A: So I've just been. So I have been behaving myself. I've not really done anything. I've been sitting about missing and the sunshine and all that. So it's been a bit shy, missing the last bit of the summer, but I haven't done it. It's next week. It's the big test, though. I'm going to play Equinox Festival and I'm supposed to be going to Ireland before it and I don't know.
• 17:28
  Speaker C: God, Mark, how are you going to get about? Get yourself a wee mobility scooter?
• 17:33
  Speaker A: I don't know. That is a question. Maybe I can go Ireland. I be gutted if I can. I need to do the gag. I need that. That's. I need to. Otherwise I'm just letting down everybody who's.
• 17:46
  Speaker C: You just need to accept the fact that if you go and do the gag and go and do all these things that your healing time is probably going to be longer than what it would be if you were only doing anything.
• 17:56
  Speaker A: Well, they said six to eight weeks and I went. Did you see 68 weeks. 68. 68. It's very accurate. 60. No, but no, I. Six, two eight. So as far as I'm aware, I've had. I've been on the. I've been in the moon Crocs. The robo foot for about beyond.
• 18:19
  Speaker B: Crutches as well.
• 18:20
  Speaker A: No, no, crutches were sweet. Hated them.
• 18:23
  Speaker B: The.
• 18:24
  Speaker A: The moon. The moon rockets. Oh, I need my moon Crocs. Just walking away.
• 18:31
  Speaker B: Avoid the minwalk.
• 18:33
  Speaker A: Doing the moonwalk. Avoiding the. The pavement. Yeah, I'm just avoiding the potholes.
• 18:43
  Speaker C: Moon bop. New tik tok sensation.
• 18:47
  Speaker A: A voicey bop. So get. Get Dundy Fringe. Yeah. Okay, let's talk about the Dundy Fringe. It says Joe E's poetry.
• 18:58
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:58
  Speaker C: Dundee Fringe. Zamora. Yes, Joel, we will see you there tomorrow.
• 19:02
  Speaker A: Tell us about the show. Hold on. I need to change the brightness. Got. I've got some kind of timer on my computer that's made it go red because it's for darkness. Hold on, let me change it. This is freaking. Hold on.
• 19:13
  Speaker C: So yeah, our show tomorrow is going to be basically like a tag team. So it's going to be imagine like a wrestling ring and me and Mark are on each corner and then we just like, we just meet in the middle.
• 19:28
  Speaker A: And.
• 19:31
  Speaker B: That'S lies. There's no violence. Well, look, maybe lyrical violence. Yeah. But like physical violence. So, yeah, partners in. Right? Tomorrow, 8:20pm But I was like, what? So I was speaking to someone the other night. I was trying to describe it and it says, talk to him. He was like like table tennis. It goes. Yeah, that's more what it's like. She does like back, forward, back fart. You know what I mean?
• 19:57
  Speaker C: Yeah. Well, it's like when we first performed together when we were supporting Loki Darren McGarvey and we were like, right, how are we going to do this? Like we're going to. We're both going to be on the stage. And I was like, well, we'll just tag team it. Like I'll go, you go. I'll go, you go. We were calling ourselves the Tapeworm then. Do you remember that, Mark?
• 20:19
  Speaker B: Yeah, we just spot of the moment because we just like I was supporting them would say I'd rather would jump up and just would they like it'd be to showcase both world. I mean but just. But we didn't really know how we'll go about it. I think it was just that night we decided like, oh, we were just.
• 20:38
  Speaker A: A good. It's a good way to do it. Like we did the. The album launch for the Scheme scheming Cipher because it was just like the. The format I was. It was my idea for the format of just doing like a song each and then that way you've got like maybe four or five rappers or doing a couple of songs each. Or maybe three, two or three. So songs each. But it's a format I've always liked over the years, because something quite good about doing your poem and then getting a chance to sit back and watch someone else smash it. You get to catch your breath and think about your first line for the audience as well. Absolutely.
• 21:17
  Speaker B: It's not too long as well, because like originally this time we were thinking we could. Then we do like I said to do a poem, a piece we could do, like just cut it in a 450 minutes. Like I would.
• 21:26
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 21:27
  Speaker B: 15 minutes I would do. Then we kind of thought, well, you're sitting about, you started to get.
• 21:31
  Speaker A: Sorry.
• 21:31
  Speaker B: After you. You started to feel a bit. Sorry. No, once you performed 15 minutes, like, I like to do the set, then sit down, like chill out. But if it's just a poem, it's all right. But 15 minutes and you sort of, sort of come doing off a high, you know what I mean?
• 21:44
  Speaker C: You're still riding adrenaline when you're just.
• 21:47
  Speaker B: Doing one eating 15 minutes and you've came right doing and you've got to get so sleep. But I think it's a good mojo. Yeah, sort of. But if I'm doing my own gig, likes I do it. One thing I did think I was a wee bit. I wasn't sure about doing a piece of former piece. Because sometimes I like when I'm doing my own gig, right. Say it's 20 minute gig. Right after like two or three poems, I feel it really going, the flow. Because you're like, first two warm up three. But then. But yeah, I thought. I think for two. One stage together, it works better just to pull them apiece.
• 22:15
  Speaker C: We were down at the studios last week rehearsing him. We were like, nah, that's. That's how. That's how it's gonna roll.
• 22:21
  Speaker B: Yeah. And like, I think. Ron, I'm not saying like right now, watching Rana's performance, Nassau inspires me to like, she. That was brilliant. She's really swimming. Like, yeah, I've got to do as good. Or like, no, I'll do each other. But we've just got to be up to scratch with each other, you know what I mean? So like we've got like the store and just.
• 22:41
  Speaker A: Is it just the two years in for the full show?
• 22:43
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:44
  Speaker A: Brilliant. What is the Dundee Fringe? Because is this. Is this relatively new? I mean, I think I had that last year.
• 22:51
  Speaker B: This is a fourth year. Fourth year. I think it's the first. First Time I've performed that I like. So I know like there's a. There's a monthly port a night in Dundee called Blather Fair. Like Alasi Taylor that I know she's like the Scott Screaver sort of. So she's involved with loads of stuff but the. The order, the people who do the sound and the light and that for her gig. Lots of people who organize the Dundee French over the last year or so. I've got to. I've got to know them. So I thought. I thought I was going to get away without. Without. I thought they would just get us on without having to like, like apply for. But we still had to go through the. The usual stuff. But yeah, so I think that it's on for. It's on from the tomorrow which is a 12th to the 22nd. So it's 10 days.
• 23:33
  Speaker C: 10 days, isn't it?
• 23:35
  Speaker B: Yeah, there's hundred. There's about 100 shows on like music.
• 23:38
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 23:40
  Speaker B: Comedy. Like there's loads of stuff. It's like people. These people who organize us, they're called like sweet venues and they, they do that. Have you Brighton Fringe? Have you not been there? They're involved with the Brighton Fringe as well and some other couple other. So yeah, it's the same people who are organized do the Dundee Fringe. Sweet venues. I don't know if you've heard of them. Sweet venues. And there.
• 24:02
  Speaker A: I don't, I don't. I don't recognize sweet venues. But I went. Didn't do. But it was Poets versus Rappers night.
• 24:09
  Speaker B: Yeah, I remember. I remember that's when the first. I think I was. We went of course kind of like got like met. You'd got in tower like your creative like stuff. And I might see in a video you did in Brighton in the street. Yeah, I mean that's right.
• 24:22
  Speaker A: Yeah. They've kind of threw me.
• 24:24
  Speaker B: Must have been like seven years ago.
• 24:28
  Speaker A: I went two years in a row. But I remember the kind of. Through what you're talking about doing the. Losing your mojo, doing two gigs in the same day. I was kind of hyping myself up for this poets versus rappers thing. I think there's stuff on. On YouTube and then they said, oh you're. We're going to do some street poetry, we're going to busk or something. And I wasn't really up for it but I ended up. Ended up being. Going quite well. But I was pure. The adrenaline was pure because I wasn't used to just doing poems in the street. But it went really well. And then I was like pure buzzing. And then it had five hours till the. The next show. So it kind of my energy that Brian's a great place. I really, I really enjoyed it. I don't know, it's quite expensive I think to live there. But yeah, it's been a lot of really. You know, I know, I know some creative people who just retired there. Well, not retired but they just had to get to London because you're only half an hour on the train for London.
• 25:26
  Speaker B: Really. Yeah, yeah, it's good.
• 25:28
  Speaker A: It's a good place. So the, the venue itself, what's that about? I don't recognize that. I'm not an identity expert.
• 25:37
  Speaker B: The killer center is like. It's a Dundee institution. Right. Originally I think it was a sweets factory. Like a megarani actually before, just before the war, the first World war. She was like. She worked in the sweet factory and where it stood I think there was another one, another area Dundee. But so originally. But in the 60s, 70s it became like a shopping center. Right. Like and. But you see like even like 20 years ago it was really run down shopping center. It was like am I still on? Yeah, she's disappeared. Yeah. All right. Okay.
• 26:07
  Speaker A: Yeah, you said like you were in a story so full screen for the story.
• 26:10
  Speaker B: Yeah, okay. So yeah, right, so this. The killer said that in Dundee like I think and I came a shopping center in the 70s. But like obviously like when, when I was like a teenager in the 90s, it sort of like I was really run down and it was like. It was like there was pet shops and so how does this smell like a pet. How to smell a pet shop for it was loads of like we just markets and I was cool. I was like there was a.
• 26:34
  Speaker C: As well Mark was there not.
• 26:35
  Speaker B: Yeah, not to Barcelona outside. But there was a. It was like an eastern block type sort of place. Like low ceiling sort of like we units say. But there was. We used to. There was like bong shops and like you got your old Bob Marley stuff. So we used to go there and get our skins and bongs when we were like 49. Then you got legal highs and all that kind of stuff. So that was what. How I remember it basically. But it was like it was a real like working, working class shopping center. And now offset. It's just in the last maybe about five years ago was basically just a few wee shops like an army where they sold like surplus army stuff. A couple of we like just really run down shops. But now there's only. There's no shops Left in it now but it's been too over for like the Dundee. I couldn't know exactly who took over but Catherine Rally, she's a manjar but she's has been turned into like an artistic hub and Dundee. So this. So many units used for artistic, just creative stuff and then they have like.
• 27:27
  Speaker C: Cool, isn't it?
• 27:27
  Speaker B: Yeah, it's cool. It's like.
• 27:29
  Speaker C: It's like a couple of gigs in there, Mark.
• 27:30
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's like you go back in time when you go in line the 70s when you go in there. It's sold shorts really but they do loads of like. But I think it's under threat that might of getting knocked down that's going to be getting redeveloped in the next few years. Loads of houses but hopefully they can keep some kind of like creative space there. But it's a Dundee institution. But how the bad people would say the Keeler center is full of minks. Not like. But it's got pure, it's got character like. Yeah, it's really cool. So it's used now for all the creative sort of stuff in Dundee. Like real grassroots stuff. So we'll get some pictures tomorrow in the end. Videos.
• 28:09
  Speaker A: Amazing. How did Partners in Rhymes start? Are you doing it? Do you just kind of do like a. Like one gig in Dundee and one gig in Perth? Do you have a sort of set up or you just go in with the flow?
• 28:22
  Speaker C: We've just been doing like quarterly gigs in Perth just now, haven't we? But we've got an up and coming one going to be coming up in Montrose. I think it's More Fidelity Records it's called.
• 28:36
  Speaker B: Yeah, you know, I'm the Ragging Bone man. He's organized it for us.
• 28:39
  Speaker A: Yeah, brilliant. Lou's amazing.
• 28:43
  Speaker C: Something through there. Check out the poetry scene in Montrose.
• 28:48
  Speaker A: We played Montrose before. We had a good name. Off the top of my head I think it was something the Star Hotel. I might be wrong but it was like an all there punk thing that we played that. But yeah. Ls amazing. It's amazing that he's got Lou to do poetry I'd never seen him do.
• 29:03
  Speaker C: He was brilliant man, wasn't he?
• 29:06
  Speaker B: Yeah, he went well.
• 29:07
  Speaker C: He went down really well and he was totally like buzzing for it afterwards.
• 29:11
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Well obviously he's got like. He's used to performance so he was like. Even though it's his first thing with Porter, he's used to being up in front of people. So yeah, I mean he took that like a duck like water, you know. What I mean he was like really confident. Like you think he'd been doing it like. Well, he has been performing for know so long but just doing this music. He went. He was really. He's obviously got a performing. He's a performer right at the end of the day. So it was just. He stepped in there but he took to like a duck to water. But yeah, so yeah, he's a good guy. I've known him for a good few years actually. Probably through your gigs and it gigs in Dundee but not well but first time we swapped him really was at the Solar Fest day and then he came up with a gig after that so it was good but. But yeah he did.
• 29:52
  Speaker A: I've known him since about 2010 I think 2011. It used to be a band called Ghost of Progress. They were a two piece and then I don't know exactly what happened but he just said he was never playing, he just wanted. He made his own contraption. He made his own drum kit.
• 30:10
  Speaker C: That's the drummer. And made his own.
• 30:15
  Speaker A: Guitar. I can't remember exactly. I thought they both played guitar but I'm not sure how it worked. But yeah, he just. He just. I think he just went I'm done with bands and I. And I can understand. It's like her and Catch. You know what I mean? Being in a band it's hard to.
• 30:28
  Speaker C: Get everybody together all the time. And that's I suppose like how me and Mark have sort of come together. Like if Mark ever asks me to be at a gag or if I ever ask Mark to be a gig or like asking him to support me or any. Anything vice versa. Like I always know Mark is going to be there. Always know Mark is reliable and the same vice versa. You asked me to be at any of your gigs. Yeah.
• 30:57
  Speaker B: If I'm going to be somewhere like through hell and I will like unless I'm really, really like Noel or something or something like I'll be there. I didn't like letting. Once I say something I'll do something like yeah, you know, I mean you're.
• 31:12
  Speaker A: You never canceled, never cast a gig in about 17 year until last week or the week before. I had to cancel Soul Fest for Jackal Trades because it was just. It's a. I know the festival is very uneven and I thought I was all going to be all right for it and then I had. I walked to my mates and it was like there was an uneven pavement and I feel like I was. I get stabbed in the foot. It was sore so I just did the right. I did the right thing. But yeah, I think, I think, I think I've healed enough to do Equinox next week. And it's. I remember it being fairly flat. I may be wrong, actually. I don't think it's that flat. But I could just stick to the two. The main stage, there's a bar stage and the solar stage. So if I just stick to the A3 and avoid the. The techno and the drum and bass dungeons, then I should be all right.
• 32:03
  Speaker B: Music. I mean, you came on site, when you hear like music, you're a bit drunk or whatever and you start getting the foot top and then it could be a next minute you're up jumping bit and next, when you're in hospital, can go. It's hard to. It's hard to like. It's hard to sort of like suppress that once you start getting that frame of mind, you know what I mean? So, yeah, just be careful.
• 32:26
  Speaker A: Last year had an abscess at Equinox and this year I'm bringing the robo.
• 32:30
  Speaker B: Much luck here, mate. You're not much luck. No, I know.
• 32:33
  Speaker A: And it's a. It's a long. It's a long drive away actually. If anyone. I've got a couple of free tickets to give away for Equinox. If anybody fancies a trip to Lincolnshire next weekend, we've got. I think I've got two left. So I'm going to put a wee message into the patrons or give me a message if he's fancy it. And you know what? I've got as well because obviously it's. It's obviously social medias. I've been fired today because everything happened yesterday. But it's also September 11th and I'm thinking, I wonder what Facebook would have been like if the twin. The twin towers fail. While we were on Facebook and Twitter 2001. 2001, what was four years ago, September 11th.
• 33:17
  Speaker B: Is that the day that's just 9 11.
• 33:19
  Speaker A: It's 9 11. I don't want to really go into the news stuff because it's a breaking. It's still a breaking news story. I was like, I need to bite my lip. I need to bite my lip because there's no suspect, there's nothing. So then I was thinking, I have actually listened, actually bit my lip. Some point about a week or two ago, I bit my lip and you ever had this happen to you before? It just kind of swells up and then that means you bite it again.
• 33:49
  Speaker B: And you can't help choose.
• 33:53
  Speaker C: A really bad ulcer. Like right on the inside of your mouth. And you just keep catching it and keep catching it.
• 34:00
  Speaker A: You're stuck forever stuck. If you feels like I'm stuck forever, when am I. When I'm eating. I just need to pay attention.
• 34:07
  Speaker C: You'll be getting that. Well, you've been running around like Forest Gump. You'll have that Bubba lip.
• 34:18
  Speaker A: Yeah, boys. Getting there. Getting there. I just kept on running. I don't know. Everything there is to do about the shrimp business.
• 34:27
  Speaker C: I know. Do you know what? I watched Forest Gump. It's funny. We're talking about Forrest Gump. Watched it two weeks ago with the wee lad and I was like. I actually forgot how much of a storyline was in Forrest Gump. I just thought he was just running around. It was quite emotional. It was really emotional, actually. And he's got Elvis Presley there in his bedroom learning he taught him how to dance.
• 34:48
  Speaker A: Spoiler alert. But are we allowed to talk about Forrest Gump? Is enough time passed?
• 34:52
  Speaker C: I don't know. Right.
• 34:54
  Speaker A: Well, if you suddenly watched Forrest Gump then look away now because. No. Well, I mean, I think it's okay to talk before a scum. Is it?
• 35:04
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 35:04
  Speaker C: I don't know. Why, why, what happened?
• 35:07
  Speaker A: Why do you want me to spoil the ending? No, I'm not spoiling the ending. It's like people always try and tell me to watch the Matrix, but people should watch Forrest Gump. He had a very interesting life. And the modern day.
• 35:17
  Speaker C: Yeah, we can talk about the ending of Forest Gump now. Jesus. That was about 20 odd years ago that was out.
• 35:26
  Speaker A: It's the same as the Matrix and people try and give me spoiler alerts and I've never seen the Matrix and I don'. Want people to spoil it for me. So I just. Let's know. Let's no talk about classic films. I think that you should get. I think 30 years. 30 years you get before it's a spoiler. Is the Matrix 30 years old yet? Maybe I'll need to watch that.
• 35:44
  Speaker C: Must Matrix must be like, like that. Definitely. I don't know. Maybe about 25.
• 35:50
  Speaker A: 25. It's night. I've got four years to watch the Matrix. Then you can.
• 35:54
  Speaker C: You've got four years to watch it. What's holding you back, Mark?
• 35:57
  Speaker A: I've just, just, just been busy. It's been pretty busy for the last 24 years, you know, I mean, it's quite a busy life. What was. Good. I've got another question for you as well. What was. Yeah, so who was. Yeah, obviously we we jokingly said the. Or you call it Radio Slam. Oh no, jokingly, it's true. The best poet in the universe competition, which you won gold, you won silver. But who is actually the best port in the universe in your opinion?
• 36:32
  Speaker B: What performance put you decide? Well, I don't know. My favorite port to watch is John Cooper Clark. Yeah, just he's delivering like Iran actually supported him in Dundee, which is like. Yeah, yeah, it was like I was. Yeah, but he's my favorite. Like just a style and delivery a lot but pretty much it. I don't watch loads of like foreign. Like really? Yeah.
• 36:58
  Speaker C: My favorite poet is in the whole entire universe is as you, Mark Richardson. Really, hands down, you are my favorite.
• 37:09
  Speaker B: Really?
• 37:11
  Speaker A: And who's your favorite fellow?
• 37:14
  Speaker B: Well, after jcp, my favorite is Rana. Yeah.
• 37:17
  Speaker A: And then.
• 37:18
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 37:19
  Speaker A: What was it, what was it like supporting John Cooper Clark the legendary.
• 37:23
  Speaker C: That was brilliant. What? That's like the biggest crowd I think I've ever had. Yeah, definitely the biggest crowd I've ever had.
• 37:31
  Speaker B: She got like, she's prepared and she got supporter man like that. I was happy for it, but I was a wee bit jealous, like. But I'm over it now.
• 37:39
  Speaker A: That's good. It sounds like you're over. It sounds like. I don't think it's completely over it, but sounds like, yeah.
• 37:48
  Speaker B: I'll never be over like.
• 37:55
  Speaker A: Cooper Clark Eden Festival. No, no, I didn't support him. He supported me. I had to go on and do a poetry say after him. Absolutely worst guy. Well, not the. What? Yeah, one of the worst gigs I've ever played. I mean it's still good to be on a bill with John Cooper Clark. So I think I said to the guy, the organizer, I think. I'm not sure I feel like Stephen Watt may have been involved or it was the.
• 38:19
  Speaker B: I met Stephen Watton, you know Catherine's C. Smith. Yeah, Flourish. I met Stephen. What there because. Yeah, well, I didn't. Because he found that he didn't know he was in the crowd and when the names got read out he goes, oh, is my Richardson here? And he turned and goes, oh, no. I kind of leave him on up after my Richter. I didn't even know I knew they knew me because I knew he's quite well established ever so wasn't knew who it was or not. I was just like lastly, I've not.
• 38:51
  Speaker A: Seen him for a while but he's a really nice guy. He's like. Yeah, it's been. He's always been involved since I can remember.
• 39:01
  Speaker B: That to like he Shared a couple other things about us. He's really. He's one of these guys. He just supports, like, he's. Everyone is like. And like, yeah, does stuff for other ports.
• 39:14
  Speaker A: It's quite. He's quite locked into, you know, like, books and magazines and bursaries and. Yeah, he's in the scene and he shares it. He all shares it on the, you know, on the spoken word page, I think it's called the Scottish poetry and spoken word that used to be Glasgow bank in Scotland. And yeah, just like. So when he sees an opportunity, just offers it to everybody. So, yeah. Shouts to Stephen, good guy. But, yeah, I think I feel like he was something today, maybe. I think he's just maybe friends with Rabbi Stav, and I'm not sure, but I said, when do you want to go on? And I said, well, as late as you can, thinking, you know, I want to be on before John Cooper Clark or something. Oh, I was after him. I died. I totally died. Because obviously everybody went in to watch John Cooper Clark. Everybody's having John Cooper Clark. People don't realize it. Don't watch him on the tail. I go and watch him live when he's getting on a bit now. Go and watch him live. You just laugh all the way through. He's a complete comedian.
• 40:12
  Speaker C: Yeah, he's some character. He's got some presence about him.
• 40:16
  Speaker A: And then everybody's obviously, of course, these are people that don't watch poetry, but they're there for John Cooper Clark. And then all of a sudden, I go on. I couldn't. I couldn't quieten them. They were all just talking and I just couldn't. It was a bit of a disaster. But I got to meet him, though, and that was. I got him to. I've not. I've not got it to hand, but I did get him to say, you call that radio? That's a great name for a podcast. That's actually. Yeah, I've got we. I've got we.
• 40:47
  Speaker B: I think I've seen that. Yeah.
• 40:49
  Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, I used it quite a lot in the. The early days because I think. I think that was when the podcast just started.
• 40:55
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 40:55
  Speaker A: Shout Out Strong Cooper Clark. Is there anyone else, Rana, that you. That you like or you're in. You take inspiration from, apart from art and apart for JCC or is there anyone maybe coming up that I'm a wee bit out the lip with the. What's happening?
• 41:08
  Speaker B: Especially got a mutual friend, too. Chris Malice. He's really good.
• 41:13
  Speaker C: Oh, he's brilliant. Yeah, she. She Inspires me Not seen her perform for since before COVID.
• 41:26
  Speaker B: Loads of people in the Glasgow scene alike. Yeah I found one of her. A couple of her books just I was in my mum's. I bought her books like about 2018 at some. Some gig to her books and I was sending my mom and dad's at that time for a wee bit and then it was just in there last week I was looking through my old books and I found these two books of Catherine's end. I was reading them in. I was just speaking online the other week. Kind of a winner next like Owen might giggles and it was tell her I found their books nothing like it because I had read them before but I was so long going that's the type of properly like got into them though really good so I was quite inspired about. I like reading about Glazo so my dad's like glass regions so I like to like connections to Glasgow so I love the reading like about Glasgow and that as well.
• 42:12
  Speaker C: You know who else I actually love doing spoken words? The Shelter. Mel.
• 42:16
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 42:19
  Speaker C: Just. She is just brilliant.
• 42:25
  Speaker A: She just said my ass is killing me from that rowing machine. Mark, you should take up robotics. I will maybe she could maybe teach me some. I was going to say the robot dance but it's popping and locking or something. I'm sorry if I get it wrong. I'm not. I'm not totally up here. Didn't says plus plus plus for victory. Not a definitely. Hopefully we'll see Mary Victoria I've not seen it for a while and the movie spoiler Jim morning on I'm gonna read it anyway. Okay. It's fine movie spoiler. In the Sixth Sense it's revealed that Bruce Willis's character is actually Kaiser Suzy. So that's not a real spoiler. Don't worry about it.
• 43:02
  Speaker B: Jim Monahan. One of his poems I like he speaks about black hero and one of his poems or reggae band. I can't remember the name of the poem. It's about his birthday maybe But I love the line about black the hero because it was like right in a roots reggae when it was a teenager like got around that. You know I hadn't heard many people into them like back then but I just always remember that lightning he's calling a bit black. So Jim, if you're still listening.
• 43:27
  Speaker C: And let's not forget Beth like Beth came through to one of our gigs in Perth and oh my God, you'd obviously seen him at the finals at the Scottish Champions on stage. Is just amazing. Yeah it's just completely different.
• 43:45
  Speaker B: You, like, it just changes this.
• 43:47
  Speaker A: Like, the joker.
• 43:49
  Speaker C: That's who he reminded me of. Like, he's, like, up there and then he's just like. And then I'm working, like. Like, this is brilliant. You're just like mesmerized. Watching him was.
• 43:59
  Speaker A: It was. Was Biff the. Was that the correct decision?
• 44:03
  Speaker C: He's the world champion. Yeah.
• 44:06
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 44:07
  Speaker C: World champion.
• 44:08
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 44:08
  Speaker C: Brought it home to Scotland.
• 44:11
  Speaker B: I'm really glad he won the slam because obviously I didn't win it, but, like, if. Because I met before I went in with him and that. Because I've met him a few times, some pals I'm not with. But, yeah, it was really good. He. He's like. He went to. I think leading up to that slam, he went to every open mic, basically, in Scotland. He put so much effort in there, like, and they're like practicing that. And he appeared everywhere I met. Seen him in Dundee, seen him in Perth. Seen him loads of places. And he just like, really. If anyone deserved to win it, he did. Yeah. And he just. Yeah, that was brilliant. There was other. Really. There was other good ports there as well. Like. Yeah, like that. But I just. I'm not being biased because he is fifth submit, but I just feel he deserved to win it, like. And so it's hard for him.
• 44:55
  Speaker A: Jim Morgan saying that. Thanks. Mark has called that summer last week at the end of the cursed album launch. So that's. That's the poem you're talking about. Jim's got. Jim's doing a thing next weekend. The. I think. I think it's a Firefly festival in mine. I think it's mine. I think it's called mine. Am I pronouncing it right? But it's a really nice wee bit. I've been there before. It's kind of near Dumfries, Galloway borders, I think with Bess, who are great as well. So that'll be good. And I love doing gigs with you too, miss. Coming up to Paris's Shelter.
• 45:30
  Speaker C: We'll get a workout together.
• 45:33
  Speaker B: Yeah. Come up in November. November 29th with Next partners and Rhymegag. So you should come with that.
• 45:40
  Speaker C: November 28th.
• 45:42
  Speaker B: Yeah. Anyone. Jim Monahan, your belt and will come as well if you want there. But it's just. It's just to jump on the open mic. Just whatever. If you'd get like 10 minutes if you're. And use it up for it. So like maybe 10. What you could. Whatever. If you want to do. We could maybe squeeze it to. I don't know, 12, 13 minutes or something.
• 46:00
  Speaker A: But and I think in general enough for any portrait. 15. 15? Yeah, after 15, I'm not really. Unless you've got a band behind you. I just think just change it.
• 46:15
  Speaker B: One thing, one thing. Not this, right. This part of the Names gig tomorrow, that's just me and Ryan. This is like a special we're doing but usually so how our usual gigs work. Like in Perth. I'm going, I need to find a new venue in Dundee because I do like that. But I'm just looking for a space. But for a start, we don't. We don't. We decided not to do them every month because we're kind of bored with the hassle. Organized and sharing. It gets too much work, it's too stressful. So I can't be bothered coming into like once a month. So we thought maybe four or five times a year is like Amber led. It gives you a fresh time to write new stuff or people don't hear the same poem so much. So we think like four every three months is fine and it's three months is nothing. And as you get to the exercises, three of the months goes like that. So what we do. So me and Ryan, I'll usually one hour, we'll take a half each and we like open up and do maybe like 10 minutes, three or four poems we'll do at the start and then we'll. We'll get maybe three or four performers up for like in between five and ten minutes each. Yeah. And then the second half. Ryan, I'll do it. Or vice versa. And then another four. So we don't have like just open mic. Open mic, Open mic. It's like you actually get to do like a set. You could do like a 10 minute set. So we're trying not to have too many people there. But then if other people turn up, we do try to squeeze everyone in as well.
• 47:28
  Speaker C: Everybody gets. Can get us a space. We make sure everybody can get a space.
• 47:33
  Speaker A: Joe, Social poetry says you didn't get a better night out in Perth.
• 47:38
  Speaker C: And Joe, oh, he's. He's new on the scene as well. He's brilliant. He's another poet.
• 47:44
  Speaker B: Yeah. I first met John Dundee maybe about, I don't know, two years ago and seen him and I like his stuff in the end. I like a few poems I liked. He was like really done done and like just for just the last six months. Right. He's really, really. He was good to start up. He's really improved his time and delivery and that and like. Yeah, so he's.
• 48:03
  Speaker A: It's all about the timing. So if. If I was to do a spoken word set just now, I'd probably just do the same poems. I did pre lock doing another.
• 48:12
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 48:13
  Speaker A: And I've not done it since. It's probably a couple years before that. But I would be able to memorize the words because it's so ingrained in my brain. I'd probably memorize it, but it would be shite because it's. It's all about the pause in it. It's the pause and knowing when he pause and then when people are laughing. Just let them laugh or let.
• 48:32
  Speaker C: Yeah, yeah.
• 48:34
  Speaker B: That's a learning experience.
• 48:36
  Speaker A: You just go into automated mode. Because I think I have maybe did that to fill in some time while someone. A band was getting set up or something. And I noticed that I can do the words, but I just go too fast, just rattle through it.
• 48:48
  Speaker C: And when I look back at like old videos of when I just started performing and that. That was like. Yeah, they were just. I wasn't stopping. I wasn't pausing for the crowd because you're just. You're trying to remember them. You don't want to forget. You've got loads of things going on your. Your mind and you're just like, do your poem and get it done.
• 49:07
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 49:07
  Speaker C: But then you watch those videos back and then as you start getting more comfortable, like on the mic and in front of people, like, you relax in here. And it becomes a bit more of a performance. I suppose it's just a.
• 49:21
  Speaker A: Just recital on speed. A methamphetamine recital, which is where the kid turning. So if you were to go back to your. So what you're saying, you watch yourself, your younger self doing the poems, what advice would you give to both of you? What advice would you give to your younger self? So maybe someone else is watching the shows, maybe starting their journey or maybe they're starting to write poems and stuff like that. Maybe at the beginning of. What advice would you give to your younger self for writing and performing?
• 49:51
  Speaker C: I think like, yeah, just like take your time when you're on stage. But again, it's just all that like the adrenaline that's running for your body, your dry mouth, like, you. You actually. You have to actually just go up and experience it and I think learn from it yourself. I don't think anybody can tell you, like, this is what you have to do, if that makes sense.
• 50:18
  Speaker B: Yeah. Because it's like, even. Even though.
• 50:21
  Speaker A: Just do it, do it. Just go and do it.
• 50:24
  Speaker C: That's what we say. Like when people come to like partners on rhyme and they. They're nervous about getting up, we just like just get up and just do it.
• 50:33
  Speaker B: Like you've got to support everyone.
• 50:36
  Speaker C: They're gonna be like so kind and you know, nobody's gonna be bike like booing you or any of that sort of stuff. Just get up and just say your stuff. And that is just taking that first step was just doing it.
• 50:49
  Speaker B: But even sometimes now I still get like a certain place times like I'm totally confident as anything right before you go up. And then just like a few minutes before you go up, your heart rate just starts increasingly again. But as soon as you got up and as soon as you got up, now it disappears. For me it's just initially before the gob. Sometimes it just happens there. But as soon as the goblins start before like first word, it's just that nervousness goes there. But it was like when we were.
• 51:17
  Speaker C: Rehearsing down at the studios Marquee. I was like, we've just done like basically an hour of doing poems and I've barely even needed a drink of water. And we went to Cathy Bow Bow. There was a poetry afternoon on and we were on the open mic and I literally had three poems to do. And by the second poem like my. I couldn't even move my tongue in my mouth. It was that dry. I had to just go for my third poem and I was like struggling even speak because just like the nerves are just drained all. I was like, I wonder if you can get something that you can put in your mouth before a performance to like produce loads of saliva.
• 51:57
  Speaker A: Beer, water.
• 52:04
  Speaker B: I used like when I first started performing. Right. I used to. Before I. When I first started performing, I used to like down whiskeys and. And drunk. Not. Not like loans just for a Dutch courage. Yeah, but not too much. I was like drunk just so it was more than just a feel. I need something to do this every time I would. I need two pipes or three pipes fork. It performed but it was just a. Then I thought, no, I don't know. Like, I'm actually better without this because you get the pure dry mouth off the beer. You get that anyway. But it's worse with alcohol. So I'm. Yeah, I just. No, no, no trend make now. I just like to not occasionally hear a pint or two that. But us. I just like to perform sober now. Totally.
• 52:45
  Speaker C: And like the first time I met Mark, he brought a. Bought a bottle of Buck Fast to the gig and then Our last Richardson.
• 52:52
  Speaker A: By the way. This is Richardson, not me. I.
• 52:57
  Speaker C: Brought a bottle of Buck fast. And then our last. Not the last one, the one before that. The two of us are sitting drinking green tea.
• 53:04
  Speaker B: Okay. Now we're like what the couple of funnies during green tea. Also the green tea fog. It's like really. It's good for your hydrate you. You know what I mean?
• 53:17
  Speaker C: Yeah, it's good for the vocal cords. Opens them up.
• 53:20
  Speaker B: Yeah. So green tea all the way.
• 53:23
  Speaker C: All the way.
• 53:24
  Speaker A: Well, it was actually I was sharing some tips with or our keyboard player. My mail's lost her voice. So shouts to Mima. But the magic water. Because obviously I lost my voice. I had a throat operation and everything. I could have talked for a month. And the magic water is. What you want is hot. Boiling hot water. Get your. I've actually. I'm actually having a cooled in but get boiled water, boil the water, put some honey in it, a slice of lemon, some fresh ginger, some cinnamon, a cinnamon stick or two. That's why I call it magic water. Because I can't be bothered saying it.
• 54:07
  Speaker B: Before the gig.
• 54:08
  Speaker A: Well, no, no, obviously not. Not always of course because.
• 54:14
  Speaker B: Did you know problems here. Like we're doing so many gigs. You had to like your vocal cords.
• 54:18
  Speaker A: Like actually it was. And it happened so gradual that everyone just because I had a deep voice maybe. So I said here man, you should maybe go to the hospital about that. But I did the win. I was told it was a vocal polyp but it just got worse and worse and worse. And then one day I knew it was bad because somebody said good night last night. And I think it was audio ship and I had. I hadn't done anything before apart from set up the stage. So I was like. I wasn't smoking, I wasn't drinking. So it was kind of running joke on the. By the Sunday of the festival I would always lose my voice. And it was like, oh, I had a good weekend.
• 54:52
  Speaker B: But then I realized I've been a puzzle when you. When you're like that senior. Yeah.
• 54:58
  Speaker A: But yeah, it turned out it was actually. It was a medical thing. It was a vocal pull up and then to get it removed. But yeah, the magic water saved. If you're ever in that situation, where's your voice? It would make my voice 30, 40 better. If you've one or two after that it starts drying your throat. But one or two there. But obviously what you should actually do is rest and not go into her. Which I was just doing the tour. I was going to London and just drinking magic water and then. So I wouldn't recommend that you should rest your voice but if you have to do the gig and there's no way around it, then the cinnamon sticks, the honey, the lemon and the fresh ginger. But obviously I'm not famous enough that there's people backstage that are going into fetch me some fresh ginger.
• 55:44
  Speaker B: Unfortunately, no. But I know just here.
• 55:47
  Speaker C: No, I won't be getting it for me.
• 55:49
  Speaker A: Yeah. One beer before I like one beer before I go on stage and one beer on stage.
• 55:54
  Speaker B: I always like to have water on stage. Like bring a bottle or a glass of water between forms. I was like to hear sip in between poems.
• 56:03
  Speaker A: Yeah, well I need to. I've definitely like. I have. I have two bottles of water because it's. Yeah. Hydrate and have beer. But I did do a couple of gigs sober this year when I just said the non alcoholic beer but I still had the non alcoholic beer and the water on stage because I'm just used to the. The taste I suppose of beer. But yeah, yeah. So I've got a couple of comments then before we wrap up. I've got. Is Mark Thomas still doing stuff in Dundee?
• 56:29
  Speaker B: Mark Thompson? Yeah, Mark Thompson. He was. He performed the.
• 56:34
  Speaker A: Blair Thomas. Mark Thompson.
• 56:36
  Speaker B: Sorry, yeah, I know who you have. I've spoke to Jim Hand about Mark before Mar. He performed it. Mega get through his wish. Mind, mind the guy with a flat card.
• 56:45
  Speaker C: Yeah, he was brilliant.
• 56:46
  Speaker B: Yeah, he's brilliant.
• 56:47
  Speaker C: He was supposed to come to Perth as well, wasn't he?
• 56:49
  Speaker B: Yeah, but he never came. But I seen him. I seen him at a thing. I seen him at Steven Magner's gigging for. He lives outside of Dundee now. I think he lives in Kerrymuir but he comes to Dundee now with gambit. He doesn't really. I've not seen him do much in Dundee. Partly last year at BL he performed there but he does sings in Kerry Muir and more than Angus I think that way. Sorry.
• 57:08
  Speaker C: As Kelly Moore near Montro.
• 57:11
  Speaker B: Yeah. Well, no, no, really, but not too far but. But Mark Thompson, he's like. He does. He's like established. He does stuff like workshops in the jail now. I think he. He makes a living out being a poor. He did. I'm not sure if he still does but he's like. That was his job. He was like. So he's one of these lucky ones that managed to make living or I think he used to be a poster back in the day but then he's like. He's ages with Gary Robertson So heaven. Gary Ross used to do stuff together, but they were like Gary Ross and stuff. They had a. They had like a tag team. It was like. No, kind of like me and you're right, it was called tribal tongue. So it was called there. But. But I don't know. Yes, but Mark, you'd still. Definitely. He's still active, like, but not as much in Dundee that I've seen him before. Maybe.
• 57:53
  Speaker A: How's Gary doing?
• 57:56
  Speaker B: No, I don't. I don't really speak to Gary that much. Yeah, just as something. I don't know, he's a bit funny with me. You thought I was stepping on his toes, Ken. But yeah, I'm not going to that anyway.
• 58:09
  Speaker A: But what about battle rap? What about battle rap? To sort it.
• 58:14
  Speaker B: I wouldn't even like. It's just sort of like. I just. I wouldn't like speak about it earlier.
• 58:20
  Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's no, west. No, that guy. That guy claims mountains. Where. Where Hangover 1. The SCS said. Yeah. The subject to battle rap. On the subject. We just battle each other.
• 58:38
  Speaker C: We've done slams, we've done poetry slams.
• 58:41
  Speaker A: But I mean like actually slagging each other, like for. Obviously not a serious slagging, but could you both take a slag? And do you think.
• 58:47
  Speaker B: Could you go, I don't know.
• 58:50
  Speaker C: We wrote a poem about each other, didn't we?
• 58:52
  Speaker B: But it pissed me off at stride. I don't know, I'd like. Maybe. I don't know, like. I just know that I just like them. I've never thought about then other people have asked me. It's not for me. I think I'd get good. They were thinking stuff. We're thinking, what is that? What the kid. Because I don't know, maybe you have a set. Maybe you've got a sense of, say, being a poor Ken. It might cut deep and I don't know. Yeah, but I've never. No, I don't think I've never thought about doing our like aspire to do that.
• 59:21
  Speaker C: No, we've done a poem about each other, but it wasn't anything mean.
• 59:27
  Speaker B: It was not.
• 59:27
  Speaker C: It was all.
• 59:29
  Speaker B: That was just funny. But I do. I know like Kamehameha, he does all that. I couldn't see himself doing that.
• 59:38
  Speaker A: Cam is probably one of the best battle rappers in Scotland, man. He's incredible. And it's quite hard. It's quite hard to be beat because he finds all the slaggings he gets funny. I mean, I don't know if he does actually deep down, but it Gives the impression that he doesn't give a. And he finds it funny and they're the hardest people to battle. As for God. We've got to get a poem. Do you want to give us a poem before we go? Because that's epi. Stand up late. A PMU as turned up late and so can we do a poem? Scott Master once says I'll catch you tomorrow. Get your autographs. Mel wants me to shout out the Panopticon. Sorry. Sweet Master Suit Master. I said Scott Master. It's Master. Catch you tomorrow. I'll get your autographs. Shelter Mail has a gig tomorrow. A comedy. A stand up comedy gig from Shelter Mail.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker C: Yes.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker A: So that'll be good at the Panopticon. Which it was just where Mark played at the Scottish finals. And the only thing I know of of Karimure is Tasty's gingerbread.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker B: I don't know. Hang me. The guy that wrote Peter Pans for K. Peter Panda. And was he. I can't mind his name. I just went in my head. But.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker A: Can we get a poem?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker A: Jim can judge it. Jim. Jim, if you're watching you can give them. No, it's non competitive. Non competitive poetry. But he's up for it. So basically this is to remind everyone that the gig is tomorrow night and it's part of the Dundee Fringe. If you're listening to this in the audio podcast and it's probably Saturday so this happened yesterday and you missed it. What were you doing? What were you thinking? But you can catch them again on November 28th and we're just going to. For maybe people that aren't new to the poetry scene. Let's look. Ready?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker B: I don't like. I don't like sitting there and I like the. Because I'm quite.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker A: I like it when you stand up. I know it means you but you mean business.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker B: Do you mind if I go first? No. Right, yeah. I'm going to give you a break. Look, there's my. I'm a cyclist. There's my bike. Right.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker A: So.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker B: But I went there poem with the cyclist. This is inspired by a psycho cyclist, right. Who was on a shared footpath and cycle path. He just about to run loads of people over. He's clad in like your head to toe. About 10 other people. A proper psychopath. And they've done a survey with drivers. I done a drive with drivers about how they hit cyclists. So this poem is just put together. It's called. Originally I was going to call it all cyclists or cunts but I thought that's A bit hard so I've called it on your bike Anyway forget your highway code. We are lords upon these roads too abreast we travel. Blocking arctic loads doesn't use a cycle path because he's a fucking psychopath. Behind him there's a tailback for a mile and a half. Only these professional types think they have the right to block the main road when there's a cycle lane and cycling. Is he such a liker a prick cuz he's got a micro dick cunt goes eat his way to get an army's wick. It didn't even drive. But just to see these types thrive Never on their end hunting parts of 45, 17 abreast. Mate, you've never sat a test on the Kearney road. You're long but a pest. You see them in Milan, I've saw them on the autobahn. Spain, Belgium, Greece and the Isle of fucking Man. You are Ken. The sorts of palona ligra shorts. A weekend with the chaps. Exclusive ski resorts. I'm going to talk a stance blockade the Tour de France. Ban cyclists for every road. Give the Morris a chance Geese the working classes snob in the cosy Highland pub. Cut their teeth doing the bulletin club. Now then I get us wrong because I've got a mountain bike and I'll ride on the road anytime I like. But the difference between you and me is obvious to see because Emma Sunkon, you're a con times three. If I'm on the shared path I'll let pedestrians pass but when it comes to you mate you just knock them on their arse. Bairns and trams, mums and great grands Naebody is safe here like in a clad gang smar man smug this upper class thug a condescending look etched her podies mug pure dead root wi a bad attitude. This ego friendly travel does mere herdman good. They mayn't cause a road rich. And I'll bet my fucking wage that the number one culprit well he's a bloke of middle age meets with a club nine o' clock at the hub the quarter past ten he's left a trail of blood. Three dogs dead split a baby's head knocked an old man right off a cliff edge. We an arrogant sneer he'll no steer clear all on his bite to install sheer fear to terrorize the masses. Everyone he passes pair of like a red briefs and wraparound glasses Like a pirate in Venice. You're long but a menace causing pure havoc on the way to play tennis wi a wheel and a spoke running our folk memories of sheer terror and mind you evoke a stinger. Should be deployed to send you to the void all the day with me though, mate, as for all these people you've annoyed. Dang it.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes. Amazing. Brilliant stuff.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker C: Brilliant, Mark.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker B: Thank you, thank you. Yeah, that's one of my latest ones that I'm really like love performing those. So it's a new one for the next few while. So. So it's all good. But yeah, thank you. So next up, Piranha.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker C: So this poem is at Mark's. Mark McGee's request, the period poem. It's not actually the period, it's the week before the period. But yeah. So it's called week three, then. He be fucking with me if I'm on week three. Do you hear me? You better not come near me because I will make you teary. I'm so snappy, I'll snap you so crabby, I'll crack ya, smack ya, pull out a knife and fucking hack your attack. I can't help it. This chemical imbalance. Have you ever felt it? And trust us females to be the ones that were dealt it. Aye, and look at your face, it looks melted. I'm sorry, I didn't mean that. I'm not mean. Na. That's not me that. Can you please see that I'm welling up, the cheeks are swelling that I canna hud it back. Fuck. I'm greeting for nae reason while I'm in season close to committing a treason. The tears are streaming with no fucking meaning Needing some semen with some screaming While I'm wheeling and dealing with my feelings needing healing, I'm heeding what a relief this release. I'm glad I didn't breach the peace and neighbor default the police. But if somebody doesn't get me some chocolate, they're going to end up deceased. Thank you.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker A: Amazing. Amazing. Oh, that'll get you back on the screen here. So it's. There's an example, right, Jim, what's the.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker C: Scores on the Doors?
• 1:06:54
  Speaker A: It's Jim, it's. It's non competitive.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker C: What's the scores of the doors?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker A: Shelter. Mel tells us scores in the Doors because she's saying, classic runner Hayden says, you're so real. EP says I'm saying now. And on you go. Rana says jose, nice. See the other side. And tens all around says, mel's just a draw. These are both winners. These are both winners. And on your poem, Mark, epic like that, said I'm a Cyclist, but old school etiquette.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker B: But.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker A: But yeah, those guys and the bastards don't. Won't dip the lights. So it's a cycling. I mean, I'm a cyclist as well, but Me too.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker A: Obviously I can't. I can't robo. I can't robot.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker B: Yeah, you better know going about.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker A: I'm also bad for driving for six to eight weeks, but that's fine because I don't have a motor and I can't. And I can't drive a license.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker C: So you get a mobility scooter.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker A: Does that mean that I just can. 68 weeks, he said. So like, does that mean in two weeks time I could just get in a motor? The doctor said it's fine, but you dry.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker B: I don't think you drove.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker A: I don't. Well, I mean I have. I'm not licensed but you know, I'm from Ayrshire, so I have the shot. I've driven in industrial estates. I've driven. I used to have a moped when I lived in Cyprus, in Corfu too. I love that. But yeah, I had a shot at motorbike once, but it felt too, too fast. It felt like, how can anyone.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker B: I mean, you told me the story. You told us a funny story. You got lost in. Cor, that was a brilliant story. I met. Was it Cyprus?
• 1:08:43
  Speaker A: Cyprus. I. Day one of Cyprus. I was, I was, I was. I don't. I'm going to give myself. I wouldn't say quit. I was. I just left school and went to Cyprus. And then day one, I. We went out with a couple of people, couple of Scottish people, a couple English people. We. I don't even know their names. I still don't know their names. I can't remember who they are. They didn't know me. I didn't know them. And then I just went away for a walk to try and find a bit for a joint somewhere and then ended up talking to 2El. Woke up next to a swimming pool and they were like, we're off now because they were gonna bust back to Wales. Well, I bus back to the plane to go to Wales and I was just walking about going. I don't know the name of the company I work for, the hotel. I've never been there. There was no gps, there was no social media. I'd literally had no idea what I was doing. So I just walked about. No sun cream, I drank some tap water. That didn't end well. So it was a disaster. And then eventually they drove. After about a day I had A pound on me. I got. There's a great couple kept on feeding me toasties so. Shouts to the Greek. The Greek Tavern. I can remember the name of that place. And then I just wandered around aimlessly. The Polo station couldn't help. They said your friends will come and help you. And my friends. You don't even know my name. They don't even remember that they met me. And eventually they found me. They drove by me on a motorbike and picked me up. And then it the following day. Guess what that day was. That's why I told the story because I just. You just reminded me the next day, day two or day three, 9 11. I was in. I was in the pub myself watching it with getting it translated from Greek people. I was going what is going on? Is this a. Is this a film? What's going on? So I may be aged. My people always want to know my age but you could do some math there.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker B: Yeah but I can't mind when you told me that story I was somewhere recently. Maybe it was on a podcast, I don't know kind of talking a bit I think when I got lost in Thailand and Cambodia I didn't get lost. I lost I had any money. But that's another story for another time anyway.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker A: But yeah, you had a lot of adventures getting bitten based things and some turned up at my door and we had the last line around this poem and missed. Missed Mark. Sorry.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker B: You could watch it but watch it brighter.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker A: That's the beauty of it. She call that radio. You can watch everything back if you're. If you're on YouTube hit like and subscribe. If you're listening to the audio podcast on Apple and Spotify go back and listen to another episode. I think the previous episodes should be on the me talking to Wuang legend bronze Nazareth and be making extraordinaire Apollo.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker B: You had a few like big names on here. Well apart from me Ran.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker A: You are bigger. You bigger.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker B: You had. You had sleeper mods on. Did you? Jason. Did you?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah we had Jason on. I don't know if he's still. I don't know if he still likes me but yeah, yeah he's been on the show. Yeah I've just not been able to do these live streams because I was living in a house with no Internet. Well I had Internet but not good enough to live stream. But I'm. I'm. I'm in a tr. I'm having quite a transient summer. I'm in the middle of moving house so I'm. I'M in there looking for. If anyone's got a. If anyone's writing a flat, give me a shout because I'm moving somewhere again in October. But yeah, I just thought I would do as many shows as I could this week while I've got decent Internet tomorrow. In fact, on that note, tomorrow I'm doing another live stream tomorrow we'll get Colin Hunter. The King of the Rats is the name of his new album and we're doing it at 4 o' clock because I think we're all going to go in the cools to watch God the Duncan drumming again with Stephen Young's band with support from the folk drama who are pals. They're brilliant as well. So. So get to me tomorrow night. I think it's about 7 or 8. So we need to give Colin enough time to travel from the shire, the Airshire Shire. And we're going to talk about his new album, the King of the rats. 4 o' clock tomorrow, live right here and one last shout out. We'll go go through each of you, any you like. The Dundee Fringe tomorrow. Anything else to plug? Mark, this is your last chance to.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker B: Round after we rest. After that November sometime I'll be about it. But Partners in rhyme is 20, was it 28 November 28 November? Yeah, Friday 20 November, but I've got none of my own gigs coming up till then so yeah, just I'm going to be in holiday soon that, so I've not been seen for a few weeks so. Yeah, but that's all we've got to plug. Yeah, cool.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker A: Be careful on holiday, don't get lost, don't get bit by a snake.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker B: We'll see.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker C: Yes.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker B: What have you got to plug?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker C: Yeah, so I've got a couple of singles coming out, one with Jam Harvey, we've just finished doing one so that's going to be coming out soon and I've just finished doing an EP with Andy Mack so that will be coming out soon as well. So yeah, apart from Tomorrow, Dundee Fringe, 8:20 and then partners in rhyme at Cafe Baobab on 28th November and we will be in Montrose 12th December as well. So yeah, a few things coming up but follow our page Partners in Rhyme on Instagram ran a marathon spoken word artist on Facebook, Mark Richardson on Facebook and the poet Mark Richardson on Instagram. So yeah, you'll be able to follow all our shows and performances if you follow us.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker A: So yeah, okay, Nice one. Thank you very much. Always a pleasure, Mark Richard, thank you.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker C: So much Mark.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker A: Thank you to everyone.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker B: Who'S tuning in and we will be just listening. Mark McGee is a legend. He's supports everyone he's promoted people for like years and years. Like he does so much for everyone. So big up to Mark.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker C: Yeah appreciate you Mark.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker A: Mark, thank you so much. Thank you. I'll hopefully catch your hopefully catch us in Perth. Thank you Rana. Thank you Mark and shelter well is asking why does he maybe still not like you long story it's a bit the Palestine flag though but yeah we'll see we'll see you tomorrow on your call that radio if you want to support the show then now's a good time to do so. Patreon.com forward/call that radio Join the men's crew. We're giving away free tickets to Equinox Festival this week, week and much more or you can become a member on YouTube and I'll see you tomorrow at 4 o'. Clock. Thank you to Mark Richardson ran a marathon Give them a follow and I'll see you soon. Bye.