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ITB: Major Offseason About To Pick Up Pace For Philadelphia Eagles · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

0:09
Speaker 1: Inside. The Birds is back. What's going on everybody? It's
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Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher and Adam Kaplan. We hope everybody enjoyed their Super.
0:19
Speaker 2: Bowl, and now that it's over, the true off season
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Speaker 2: for every single team has begun. Of course, you know,
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Speaker 2: the Patriots and Seahawks are going to figure out how
0:29
Speaker 2: hard it is to get back, which the Eagles just
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Speaker 2: experienced themselves. Adam, you're back from Santa Clara. You're out
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Speaker 2: there and or San Francisco, both media row and you
0:40
Speaker 2: came back to the Polar Ice Caps. Was that fun
0:42
Speaker 2: for you?
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Speaker 3: Oh? Man? Well, I you know, I don't go to
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Speaker 3: the game and let's have to work at which I don't.
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Speaker 3: I rather, you know, I don't like coming home on
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Speaker 3: Monday morning the rush chef of the game and like
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Speaker 3: washing him home. But yes, so no, the only issue
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Speaker 3: coming back Saturday is just figures. Twenty minutes before we landed,
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Speaker 3: the flight was great. That's when the guy happened took
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Speaker 3: place fifty mile an hour. Gus and I had not
1:03
Speaker 3: been on a plane. Okay, Look, if you fly, you
1:06
Speaker 3: know a lot or over the years, you're gonna eventually
1:09
Speaker 3: have turbulence. Yeah, turbulence usually doesn't bother me. But when
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Speaker 3: the plane was shaking, it was a little bit weird.
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Speaker 3: Was you didn't know what it was going to happen.
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Speaker 3: And my wife had to remind me how bad the
1:19
Speaker 3: weather was back here. So yeah, I had to defrost
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Speaker 3: the rest of the day.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a pancker by nature, but if you're
1:25
Speaker 2: on a plane and you start to see other people panic,
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Speaker 2: it's a weird feeling. You almost feel like, oh man.
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Speaker 1: Should I be should I be panicking? You start to
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Speaker 1: see people getting a little nervous. But yeah, turbulence is
1:35
Speaker 1: never fun, but you're right, it is a part of flying.
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Speaker 1: You have to deal with it.
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Speaker 2: Also, let's talk about this all right. So you get
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Speaker 2: back you you're out there talking to some people. You've
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Speaker 2: got some mintel, which is good.
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Speaker 1: We'll get into the podcast. The Eagles have a lot
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Speaker 1: of work to do. You know, we'll.
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Speaker 2: Continue to talk about offensive staff. But I did want
1:52
Speaker 2: to just inform everybody of how quickly this all happens. Now,
1:55
Speaker 2: you know, the Super Bowls over February seventeenth, which is
1:58
Speaker 2: next week, is when they start. Clubs can start designating
2:01
Speaker 2: the franchise or transition tag. A week after that. Forebuary
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Speaker 2: twenty third is when the combine will start. That'll go
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Speaker 2: to March second, and then March ninth, okay, which is
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Speaker 2: a month from today, is when the free agency madness begins.
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Speaker 2: So some people think a month as an eternity, But
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Speaker 2: in the NFL, when you think about all the decisions
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Speaker 2: you have to make, all the in house free agents,
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Speaker 2: all the out of out guys you may want. The
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Speaker 2: Eagles are still putting together, a coaching staff will get
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Speaker 2: into that, and there's a lot of you know, unknown
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Speaker 2: situations around players.
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Speaker 1: So a month goes by pretty quickly to make all
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Speaker 1: these decisions. It does.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little bit earlier this year free agency.
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Speaker 3: Remember they don't wait till the signing period. The agreement
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Speaker 3: start forty eight hours before that. So yeah, it's uh
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Speaker 3: kind it's kind of a different deal for the for
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Speaker 3: the NFL to do it a little bit this early.
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Speaker 3: They don't typically do that, but it always depends all,
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Speaker 3: you know, the calendar, when is the you know what
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Speaker 3: date do they want to start? And we've talked about
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Speaker 3: this before. Thank goodness, they don't do it at midnight anymore.
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Speaker 3: That was the absolute worst.
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Speaker 1: Oh god awful.
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Speaker 2: I still remember being up at like almost one in
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Speaker 2: the morning. This is like writing days like two thousand
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Speaker 2: and eight, I think when the Asante Samuel signing went
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Speaker 2: down for the Eagles and and it was burning the
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Speaker 2: candle at both ends that.
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Speaker 3: Night, no doubt.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so you were out in San Francisco,
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Speaker 2: Santa Clara area, Bay area.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that at the time.
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Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, you were there when the news came down
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Speaker 2: that Jeff Staltin announced on his own social media account
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Speaker 2: that he was done with coaching the Eagles offensive line.
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Speaker 2: He thanked Philadelphians, not exactly the organization. What was there
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Speaker 2: while you were out there? What was that reaction like
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Speaker 2: from people?
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Speaker 1: Were shocking?
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Speaker 3: Shocking and look you're there are a ton of retired players,
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Speaker 3: some current players are out there, but shocked just just
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Speaker 3: like because.
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Speaker 1: It's funny.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes depending on he with like big doms, a bigger
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Speaker 3: celebrity than Staltlin. Obviously the team, we know it is
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Speaker 3: more important. Who was more important with Stoutlin in terms
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Speaker 3: of on field. Yeah, but yeah, people were shocked, and
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Speaker 3: it's not just being there and uh in San Francisco
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Speaker 3: for four days, it's just talk around the league was shocking. Like,
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Speaker 3: it's just not what you were expecting. I mean, it's
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Speaker 3: not not you know that that was really especially the
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Speaker 3: week before. Everything we had heard was Okay, it sounds good,
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Speaker 3: like he's gonna come back in some capacity. Then we've
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Speaker 3: got the his he put his statement out, which would
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Speaker 3: say he's not coming back. It doesn't mean and I
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Speaker 3: know you'll have some information, but it was just definitely
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Speaker 3: it's been a it's I mean, you're talking about almost
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Speaker 3: the entire off not all of them, but a majority
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Speaker 3: of the offensive coaches won't be back. Yeah, hard to believe.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sweeping changes and as you said in the last
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Speaker 2: pot and we said we would double check on it
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Speaker 2: and get.
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Speaker 1: Into it more.
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Speaker 2: This was this was not a soft firing. This was
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Speaker 2: not the Eagles trying to make it so that Staltin
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Speaker 2: was not part of the organization going forward. This was
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Speaker 2: Staltlin's decision.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so what Oh yeah, he definitely a decision. I
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Speaker 3: mean that that was like he saw a statement and
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Speaker 3: he said he I'm still trying to figure out like
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Speaker 3: why then when he put it out, it's kind of
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Speaker 3: the timing was odd, Okay, I mean it's his decision.
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Speaker 3: Whatever he wants to do. He's still on our contract,
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Speaker 3: but just the wording of it was kind of I
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Speaker 3: just and why not a joint statement, But you know,
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Speaker 3: it's not like we know the guy, so it's you know,
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Speaker 3: I don't know what what his thinking was. Then he
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Speaker 3: just put their statement outs just uh, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: It's just a little different.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And they've been you know, on social media thanking
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Speaker 2: stay all the pictures. I mean, it has it has
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Speaker 2: all the makings of this is it. You know, he's
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Speaker 2: not couching coaching the offensive line. I spoke to a
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Speaker 2: couple of people, you know, back home just to have
6:02
Speaker 2: close ties to the organization, who know other people in
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Speaker 2: the organization have come through the organization. And from what
6:07
Speaker 2: I understand, the Eagles in Stoutland are going to work
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Speaker 2: on a settlement here and maybe it's already done, but
6:14
Speaker 2: they're going to have a settlement. So that because he
6:16
Speaker 2: is under contract technically with the Eagles, but he's not. Yeah,
6:20
Speaker 2: he's under contract, but the settlement would enable him to
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Speaker 2: not be a part of the staff this year and
6:27
Speaker 2: he's going to take some time to focus on his
6:30
Speaker 2: Stoutland University thing, which is you know, training and developing
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Speaker 2: offensive lineman. Obviously it won't be Eagles offensive lineman, but
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Speaker 2: we'll see what would happen then in twenty twenty seven,
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Speaker 2: getting back into coaching for probably another team, but it
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Speaker 2: doesn't sound like he'll be able to coach another team
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Speaker 2: in the NFL in twenty twenty six. That'll probably be
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Speaker 2: part of the settlement, is what I gather. And so
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Speaker 2: they're basically going their separate ways here.
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Speaker 3: I love to hear from him. Okay, that was his statement.
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Speaker 3: I'd love to hear what. I don't know. Just the
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Speaker 3: whole thing to me is very strange. We know he
7:12
Speaker 3: got he got the wrong game coordinating all that came
7:16
Speaker 3: in with it.
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Speaker 1: He lost that.
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Speaker 3: I believe it was in October. We were told. I
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Speaker 3: know it was out the Inquire put it out first,
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Speaker 3: but the timeframe somewhere in October.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what week.
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Speaker 3: But anyway, and what, really, I would have loved to
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Speaker 3: have known how Syrianne sits him down and says, okay,
7:32
Speaker 3: we're doing this, and you know what, what did he
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Speaker 3: tell him? Whatever? He had to have a reason him,
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Speaker 3: some sort of reason mm hmm of why. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 3: just uh, it's just bizarre to me. It's just uh,
7:45
Speaker 3: it's we know when we've done the sure this will
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Speaker 3: be year nine. There's been some bizarre things happening. Every
7:51
Speaker 3: team goes through the stuff where you go, what in
7:53
Speaker 3: the world this is one of them. This is one
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Speaker 3: of the all time, Like wow, okay.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't see that. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Mike Mick TRICOLMB wrote a really nice column for Philly Voice,
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Speaker 2: and he articulated something in the column that is so
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Speaker 2: true And what makes the situation so unique is that
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Speaker 2: I don't know how many other cities who have, you know, passionate,
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Speaker 2: rabid football fans can identify who their offensive line coach
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Speaker 2: is as much as Philadelphians can, and connect with their
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Speaker 2: offensive line coach as much as Philadelphians have with Stealin.
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Speaker 2: And I think it was very intentional that when Stealin
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Speaker 2: did his personal social media announcement, he really just talked
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Speaker 2: about Philadelphia fans and how much he loved coaching for
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Speaker 2: them and how much they drove him to be as
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Speaker 2: good of a coach as he was, and then coaches
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Speaker 2: players that way. I mean, it is you I can't
8:46
Speaker 2: imagine maybe like you know, if you lived in the
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Speaker 2: in the Patriot in Boston area for that early Brady run,
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Speaker 2: Like maybe they knew Dante Scarnekia a lot, and maybe
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Speaker 2: maybe he's one guy that can be picked out of
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Speaker 2: a lineup in Boston. But I mean, it's just so
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Speaker 2: oh unique and so rare and really cool from that regard.
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Speaker 2: But I said this, Adam, you're probably a way when
9:09
Speaker 2: I did my Super Bowl preview, you know, I do
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Speaker 2: the weekend.
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Speaker 1: Preview every week.
9:12
Speaker 2: I did one for Super Bowl, and I had a
9:14
Speaker 2: lot of time to think about it. And if you
9:16
Speaker 2: really look at the history of the NFL with guys
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Speaker 2: who are very successful for a long time in one place,
9:22
Speaker 2: there are countless stories of what you might say is
9:26
Speaker 2: like an ugly ending, a messy however you want to
9:29
Speaker 2: put it. I mean as recently as Belichick and Brady
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Speaker 2: and Robert Craft in New England, you can go through
9:35
Speaker 2: both Brett Farv and Aaron Rodgers did not leave Green
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Speaker 2: Bay on the best terms. Joe Montana did not leave
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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. They wanted to go to Steve Young.
9:43
Speaker 2: He was right that traded him. I mean, it is
9:46
Speaker 2: really hard when you have you're asking the same question
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Speaker 2: I am what led to this but you know, when
9:52
Speaker 2: you have done it one way for so long and succeeded,
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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden things don't go the right
9:59
Speaker 2: way and then maybe people want to switching up, that's
10:01
Speaker 2: when that's when egos can get involved, you know, like,
10:04
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying this happen. I'm just saying, like,
10:06
Speaker 2: this is the nature of the NFL. When you are
10:08
Speaker 2: that successful for that long and sometimes things come to
10:11
Speaker 2: a head hafter change. It gets a little ugly at
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Speaker 2: the end. But in my mind, I'll say this, I
10:17
Speaker 2: don't doubt that ten years from now, Stoutland and the
10:20
Speaker 2: Eagles organization will be on better terms. I even ran
10:24
Speaker 2: this around few people and they agree with me, like
10:25
Speaker 2: that time heals wounds and things will.
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Speaker 1: Will straighten himself out.
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Speaker 2: People tend to realize that, yes, looking back on it,
10:33
Speaker 2: some things needed to change, or we could have done
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Speaker 2: these things differently. All that that stuff will factor in.
10:38
Speaker 2: You know, Tom Cloughlin, he'll have done really bad terms
10:40
Speaker 2: for me. Yes, the Eagles coaching job right right, Like
10:44
Speaker 2: it's I don't want to say it's it's a it's
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Speaker 2: an I don't want to call it a definite like
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Speaker 2: nature definitive thing. But it is a nature of this
10:51
Speaker 2: business with high ego, high success, high stakes, high pressure,
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Speaker 2: for that to occasionally lead to some boiling over or
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Speaker 2: some disagree mints or or an ending the way we're
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Speaker 2: seeing it.
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Speaker 3: The great point about Coughlin, because yeah, he was fired.
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Speaker 3: He interviewed for the job twenty sixteen, not twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 3: Twenty sixteen they hired Peterson. Yeah, it's it's a that's
11:12
Speaker 3: a that's another show to talk about some of the
11:14
Speaker 3: crazy coaching situations for this team. But think about it, right,
11:19
Speaker 3: this is this is this is pretty interesting. So if
11:23
Speaker 3: you look at the most important coaches for the Eagles
11:26
Speaker 3: in the history of their franchise, from my assistance, two
11:29
Speaker 3: of them were on Sirianni's staff. Jim Johnson obviously the
11:34
Speaker 3: it's right up there, but it's the other two or
11:36
Speaker 3: Fangio and Stalin.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmkay.
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Speaker 3: That's to have two Hall of Fame coaches on your staff.
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Speaker 3: Not to take anything away from from Sirianni, but I mean,
11:46
Speaker 3: that's it's pretty amazing. Like that's you give how he
11:49
Speaker 3: credit too for that. Yeah, this is why they win.
11:52
Speaker 3: This is why after twenty twenty, which is an absolute disaster,
11:57
Speaker 3: they're able to turn this thing around quickly. I mean
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Speaker 3: having her stout obviously and bringing in Fangio in twenty
12:04
Speaker 3: four they want a super Bowl. It's and then Buck
12:06
Speaker 3: Carson was not Buck Carson Lateton.
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Speaker 1: His career came here.
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Speaker 3: He was great for the time he was here. But
12:12
Speaker 3: we're talking about guys who are that they won with,
12:16
Speaker 3: which they went far with and uh and the other
12:18
Speaker 3: part about this they're going to just the number one
12:20
Speaker 3: they're going to miss out is player development. I don't
12:23
Speaker 3: know of a coach they've had. You tell me, you've
12:25
Speaker 3: covered the team for a couple of decades, who's developed
12:28
Speaker 3: players better than this guy?
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Speaker 1: No.
12:30
Speaker 2: I mean I thought Jan Castillo was really good at
12:33
Speaker 2: it when he was up the white coach, but I
12:34
Speaker 2: feel like Jeff Saltlin took it to an entirely new level.
12:37
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if there's any any position
12:40
Speaker 2: that where you've developed guys who've never even played the
12:42
Speaker 2: sport before, like Jordan Malatta, right, or you take a
12:45
Speaker 2: guy who is and move his position all together, like
12:49
Speaker 2: Makai Beckton. Any flourish is there. Well with florish is
12:52
Speaker 2: is a relative term. But he played well enough to
12:54
Speaker 2: be a starter on a super Bowl team and then
12:57
Speaker 2: you know, get a decent deal in free agency.
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Speaker 1: But the point is, yeah, the.
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Speaker 2: Harmony, the way he made it all work. But they're
13:04
Speaker 2: to your point, to take it to another level. They
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Speaker 2: are changing. Their scheme is going to change. They're gonna
13:10
Speaker 2: do things differently. And even though I did make the
13:12
Speaker 2: point that the Shanahan slash McVeigh tree is known for
13:16
Speaker 2: having big offensive lines that aren't really great, but big
13:20
Speaker 2: enough to be able to run the ball.
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Speaker 1: I don't.
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Speaker 2: I don't see, and I'm very I'm curious to see
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Speaker 2: how this thing goes forward. I think Eagles have a
13:26
Speaker 2: long standing philosophy of building in the trenches and investing.
13:31
Speaker 3: Change that No, but oh no, it's Hollie Will Now
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Speaker 3: that's that's ingrained. I mean, they're they're gonna always be
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Speaker 3: strong the lines that will never change. But it's from
13:41
Speaker 3: and we'll talk to Greco Sail about it this offseason
13:44
Speaker 3: some line coaches that we know. But schematically, because vertical
13:49
Speaker 3: SATs versus horizontal and all that stuff, there's a lot
13:52
Speaker 3: of changes here. It's how comforable these guys gonna be.
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Speaker 3: And then we obviously the hearts factor yep, in terms
13:59
Speaker 3: of of what and the yes, the scheme will change, Okay,
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Speaker 3: that's obvious. Philosophy is going to change lots. It's gonna
14:07
Speaker 3: start with the run game, though, which is that's the
14:09
Speaker 3: phlosphy that will change, will stay, but a lot on
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Speaker 3: how they approach it is going to change. But you
14:17
Speaker 3: also want to make hearts comfortable. Any offensive coordinator is
14:20
Speaker 3: going to say, okay, we want to keep these things
14:22
Speaker 3: you're comfortable with, but everything else is changing, right and
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Speaker 3: how many what percentage or phase do they keep? Who
14:28
Speaker 3: the hell knows. There's no way to know that. But
14:30
Speaker 3: it's going to be interesting, not only with all these
14:32
Speaker 3: coaching changes and offense it's gonna look different now now
14:36
Speaker 3: I know people will bring up d in the regular season. Okay,
14:39
Speaker 3: they wanted you said they were going to do this,
14:41
Speaker 3: but they're not. We don't control that. It's whatever. It's
14:45
Speaker 3: it's a combination of Okay, the new OC manion. It's
14:49
Speaker 3: clearly giving a lot of autonomy here. But that's that
14:52
Speaker 3: sounds great. But we know what Kellen Moore was able
14:55
Speaker 3: to do, wanted to do, and he wound up doing
14:58
Speaker 3: it not very much, we'll see, but the upside for
15:01
Speaker 3: this thing. It could be really, really fascinating.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it absolutely could be.
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Speaker 2: And they obviously you know they're changing things not only
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Speaker 2: by who they brought in, but from offensive coordinator and
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Speaker 2: of course pass game coordinator.
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Speaker 1: But immediately the day after the Stoutland.
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Speaker 2: Announcement came out, they hired Ryan mhaffey from the Packers,
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Speaker 2: who'd been an assistant with them. He is the tight
15:21
Speaker 2: ends coach slash run game coordinator. Interestingly, he's never coached
15:26
Speaker 2: tight ends before. I don't think that's as much of
15:27
Speaker 2: an issue, but he is the run game designer. So
15:32
Speaker 2: to me, you read the tea leaves right, you're bringing
15:34
Speaker 2: in someone from that you're comfortable with, who has coached
15:37
Speaker 2: under Matt Lafleur.
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Speaker 1: I believe he's only coached on it. I have to
15:40
Speaker 1: go back and check. But for the NFL, he's a
15:42
Speaker 1: Laflora guy. So if you're starting to put.
15:44
Speaker 2: Pieces together, you're probably and it makes sense gonna see
15:47
Speaker 2: Mannion be more laflourished than say Shannon Haanry mcveihish, I
15:52
Speaker 2: would think, just because that's where he comes from and
15:54
Speaker 2: was his direct coaching experiences from.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and understand, we've talked about this from nine years
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Speaker 3: the disciple like, now, of course there's there's coaching trees
16:03
Speaker 3: and all that, and yep, you don't ever run that.
16:06
Speaker 3: My point is you just don't run. It's the same
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Speaker 3: way you just don't I mean, and Mannion will take
16:11
Speaker 3: what you learned from McVeigh. And the floor was an
16:15
Speaker 3: off oc for McVeigh. But then of course he's got
16:17
Speaker 3: the Shadahan stuff. So it's fascinating. Nobody knows about how
16:20
Speaker 3: much percentage they're gonna run of each whatever it is,
16:23
Speaker 3: but it's if it's mostly McVeigh, great whatever. But as
16:28
Speaker 3: we said earlier recent shows, McVeigh changed something he did
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Speaker 3: some things with with thirteen personnel or like are you
16:35
Speaker 3: kidding tight ends? Where the hell does this come from?
16:38
Speaker 1: No fullback full back, he's not a light Yeah.
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Speaker 3: McVay doesn't use the fullback right where Shure in the
16:42
Speaker 3: hand does right. But it's that's the beauty. I'm I'm
16:47
Speaker 3: very intrigued as most people are about what this could
16:49
Speaker 3: look like mm hmm and the upside, but it's your
16:53
Speaker 3: quarterback's got to be on board, feel comfortable with it,
16:55
Speaker 3: and they're very young. Oh. One thing I do want
16:58
Speaker 3: to add, a lot of people book with are very
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Speaker 3: encouraged with how young thegals are going to be with
17:02
Speaker 3: the coaching staff.
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Speaker 1: Really Yeah, very encouraged by that.
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Speaker 3: Okay, because new ideas young guys who have not been
17:12
Speaker 3: when you get when you have an older staff, they're
17:14
Speaker 3: they're generally not always, but they're generally less open to
17:18
Speaker 3: new things and changing. I'm not referring to Stout, I'm
17:20
Speaker 3: just saying overall any any coaches. It could be either
17:23
Speaker 3: side of the football, and when you have young guys,
17:27
Speaker 3: you you know, you like to see them growing and
17:29
Speaker 3: work together. On Jay Gruden's staff, whatever it was with
17:32
Speaker 3: the staff that had Kyle Shanahan McVeigh and all the
17:35
Speaker 3: young guys with Washington forget which I know those guys
17:39
Speaker 3: were on the same staff, but there were other young
17:41
Speaker 3: guys on it. I think Matt Lafloor might have been.
17:43
Speaker 3: I have to look it up. Was Matt Lafloor on
17:44
Speaker 3: that staff?
17:46
Speaker 1: On Wild I'm watching?
17:48
Speaker 3: He was, Yes, Yes, I mean it's crazy, it's just
17:52
Speaker 3: that's really cool like that.
17:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see.
17:55
Speaker 3: Now, I still believe that they have to get a
17:59
Speaker 3: senior offensive system. You really want to have an older guy,
18:02
Speaker 3: like Fansky told me when he brought in Kevin Rodgers,
18:05
Speaker 3: and Kevin then was thirty six or thirty seven when
18:10
Speaker 3: he became the Browns head coach, and he felt he
18:13
Speaker 3: needed that guy just to run stuff by. Just have
18:16
Speaker 3: a senior, older guy who's older than him. Put it
18:19
Speaker 3: that way, that he could run stuff by. It's good
18:21
Speaker 3: to be able to have an older guy, a little
18:24
Speaker 3: bit older, that you know and you trust and you
18:26
Speaker 3: could run stuff by.
18:28
Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely.
18:29
Speaker 2: By the way, when Lafleur was in Washington, he was
18:31
Speaker 2: on a staff under Mike Shanahan, right with Kyle Shanahan,
18:34
Speaker 2: Sean McVeigh, Mike McDaniel, and Raheem Morris.
18:38
Speaker 1: How about that?
18:39
Speaker 3: Wow, Raheem. But but also I know McVeigh also was
18:42
Speaker 3: under John I mean not John, yeah, brother.
18:46
Speaker 2: Yes, because because when Mike Shannon got fired, they hired
18:49
Speaker 2: Jay Gruden, and then Gruden Jay elevated McVeigh to his
18:55
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator.
18:56
Speaker 3: He did. And there's the kind of a running joke.
18:59
Speaker 3: It's it's it's everyone is looking for the next McVeigh
19:02
Speaker 3: because of Gruden, because Grudden propped him up by Jay.
19:05
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's it's never dull moment usually with
19:09
Speaker 3: the Eagles. For whoever reason, this one is fascinating.
19:11
Speaker 1: Yeah.
19:12
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So you made a great point that Eagles really
19:14
Speaker 2: do need to figure out their next O line coach
19:17
Speaker 2: and how they're going to continue to develop O line talent.
19:20
Speaker 1: Have to think that that's coming soon.
19:21
Speaker 2: And you know, I think we've alluded to the fact
19:23
Speaker 2: that we expect other changes on the offensive staff as well.
19:27
Speaker 1: That will be the next you know, week or two.
19:30
Speaker 1: You got to get this stuff pretty much done before
19:32
Speaker 1: the combine. Obviously, Well you.
19:34
Speaker 3: Think the only one, Gunter Brewer, was hired after the combine.
19:39
Speaker 3: I believe that one.
19:40
Speaker 1: Year is that because Mike grow was the offensive coordinator though.
19:44
Speaker 3: Well grow grow high, Grow brought him in, he found.
19:47
Speaker 2: Him right, but at least without him you had an
19:49
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator who was a wide receivers coach.
19:52
Speaker 3: Yes, it's true, but they still need a receivers coach
19:54
Speaker 3: so he doesn't have to worry about that stuff.
19:55
Speaker 1: So true, But yeah, it.
19:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got uh yeah, I mean again, almost not
20:03
Speaker 3: all of them, but I mean it's majority of the
20:05
Speaker 3: coaches aren't aren't back for whether share and wanted did
20:09
Speaker 3: didn't want them back, wanted whatever the case may be.
20:11
Speaker 3: And obviously Many has got to bring in his own guys,
20:13
Speaker 3: which he is and I'm looking forward to this, but
20:16
Speaker 3: it's you just don't know. The guy's never called plays.
20:19
Speaker 3: This is only thirty year coaching. There's there's a lot
20:21
Speaker 3: to be desired here. But Washington's doing the same thing
20:23
Speaker 3: with David blau Sop from Manning the least coached a
20:26
Speaker 3: position for one year where Blow has not been. Heeds
20:29
Speaker 3: never run a room on his own, right.
20:31
Speaker 2: That's gonna be a little fascinating throughout the course of
20:34
Speaker 2: next season kind of look at how how Blow and
20:37
Speaker 2: Mannion are doing considering their lack of coaching experience and
20:40
Speaker 2: how they're promoted to that position and how they do.
20:43
Speaker 2: I mean, both head coaches are putting a lot of
20:44
Speaker 2: faith in these two inexperienced guys, but they're aren't doing
20:47
Speaker 2: it because they really saw something. So it'll be interesting
20:50
Speaker 2: to see how that works. Plus the Giants, who did they.
20:53
Speaker 1: Have Did they hire their offensive coordinator yet? I don't
20:55
Speaker 1: even remember?
20:57
Speaker 3: H yes, Uh, they hired Mike Matt Naggie.
21:04
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, And so that'll be also interesting too
21:07
Speaker 2: write because you know he interviewed for the Eagles job,
21:10
Speaker 2: and he would have been the opposite. He would have
21:12
Speaker 2: been like the experienced veteran play caller re tread head coach.
21:17
Speaker 2: So it'll it's gonna just be a fun comparison.
21:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely anything else. Let's talk about the offensive line itself.
21:25
Speaker 2: Where you are out in the Bay Area, do you
21:27
Speaker 2: hear anything on the status of any guys where there's
21:29
Speaker 2: Lane Land and anything like that.
21:31
Speaker 3: I know the Dickerson stuff's out there, It's definitely true.
21:35
Speaker 3: There's a couple of different reports. I this is my
21:40
Speaker 3: feeling on it. It's very rare for a guy of
21:43
Speaker 3: his statue to retire twenty seven. It's just not I mean,
21:47
Speaker 3: it just rarely happens. That's why it would be surprised
21:49
Speaker 3: to me. But what I've known, what you've known, what
21:52
Speaker 3: many people know, is landin with so many surgeries, you know,
21:59
Speaker 3: and and it's really hard. It's just really hard. You
22:03
Speaker 3: don't you don't know about ANYONEU till you walk in
22:05
Speaker 3: the shoes. You don't know what they're dealing with. The pain.
22:09
Speaker 3: It's you feel for this guy, the fact that he's
22:11
Speaker 3: thinking about it is lucky. We wish him well, man.
22:14
Speaker 3: It's uh it's kind of scary, man. It's it's Greg Greg.
22:17
Speaker 3: It was before the story broke that got out there.
22:20
Speaker 3: Cosell was taping Who's doing our We were doing the
22:22
Speaker 3: show with Mike Gill and Greg said he wanted he
22:24
Speaker 3: worried about him, but when he retired, he had he
22:27
Speaker 3: didn't know this was going to happen because Greg watched him,
22:29
Speaker 3: and you know, we talked about during the season that
22:32
Speaker 3: landon when the however you are, the more pressure you
22:35
Speaker 3: put on your joints, and with with so many knee surgeries,
22:39
Speaker 3: and he had the ankle, I believe he might have
22:42
Speaker 3: had the tight rope was a tight rope and call yeah,
22:45
Speaker 3: which is the the surgery du jour for the ankle
22:49
Speaker 3: to get the guy back sooner to get players the
22:51
Speaker 3: tool had it. But anyway, it's scary, man. I I
22:54
Speaker 3: feel for the guy that and then you got the
22:56
Speaker 3: land situation. Then you add that with Lane and with
23:01
Speaker 3: Lane Johnson and Lane Dickerson, then the stout he's not
23:04
Speaker 3: coaching here anymore.
23:05
Speaker 1: Mm hm.
23:06
Speaker 3: That's heavy, man. It's it's it's hard to know which.
23:10
Speaker 3: I don't know Dickerson. I don't know what he's thinking.
23:12
Speaker 3: But the fact that for all this stuff out there
23:15
Speaker 3: that we just talked about, it's a pretty significant situation.
23:19
Speaker 3: And our thought thought was coming into this a couple
23:22
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, that they're gonna have to dress the
23:24
Speaker 3: offensive line in pretty significant way. Lane's replacement a really
23:28
Speaker 3: good swing guard center because they don't know about Kendall yet.
23:33
Speaker 3: They just don't know. And now it's not only that,
23:36
Speaker 3: I mean, even if Dickerson's playing with his injury history,
23:41
Speaker 3: and I give the guy credit the fact that he
23:43
Speaker 3: just he plays, I mean just to be able to play,
23:48
Speaker 3: just suit up and play just about every week. Yeah,
23:51
Speaker 3: remember in the minus because he hit the trim right
23:54
Speaker 3: right for the season.
23:55
Speaker 1: Yeah.
23:56
Speaker 2: Two, he had two surgeries in the since the Super
23:58
Speaker 2: Bowl before the start.
23:59
Speaker 1: Of this Yeah.
24:00
Speaker 3: One one run right hugging up to the season on
24:02
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24:06
Speaker 3: jargons from what I understand, feeling pretty good. M He's
24:10
Speaker 3: got to play better. We know that. But to have
24:13
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24:17
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Speaker 3: Their spot practicing him. It's uh, it's a tough deal, man.
28:04
Speaker 3: It's the Super Bowl hangover part. There's never one thing
28:08
Speaker 3: over it. But and we didn't know this, you know.
28:12
Speaker 3: The only thing is we knew know SMI was gonna
28:14
Speaker 3: have surgery. He had to because he toursed trisaps, right,
28:17
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28:20
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28:22
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28:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Uh, anything else we got to hit
28:29
Speaker 2: here before we I think that's pretty much. Listen, it's
28:31
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of changes to this offense. I mean,
28:33
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28:36
Speaker 1: We'll get to that.
28:37
Speaker 3: We'll get to another show. But we'll also once the
28:40
Speaker 3: coaching staff is finalized, we'll have breakdowns on each way
28:42
Speaker 3: of intelling all of them. So we we uh half
28:44
Speaker 3: you guys really interesting. Yeah, we'll talk about another show.
28:47
Speaker 3: But uh, he is he's three or four years older
28:50
Speaker 3: than his boss. Manion. But overall, yeah, it with change
28:55
Speaker 3: comes opportunity and sometimes excitement. Who knows, We'll see how
28:59
Speaker 3: they play in the regular season. We'll get there when
29:01
Speaker 3: we get there. But I'm interested to see what this
29:04
Speaker 3: thing looks like.
29:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm glad you said that the whole
29:07
Speaker 2: change comes because we'll ended on this. I think that
29:10
Speaker 2: it was a shock to the solar plexus for the
29:12
Speaker 2: whole Della or Valley, the way the stylin thing went down.
29:15
Speaker 2: But I also heard this sentiment and I agree with it,
29:17
Speaker 2: is that you can't want.
29:20
Speaker 1: Change and then be upset when change happens.
29:23
Speaker 2: You can be upset with how it happens or what
29:25
Speaker 2: led to it, but the bottom line is this scheme
29:29
Speaker 2: is going to look different, and it was time for
29:31
Speaker 2: the people who were familiar with it and know it
29:34
Speaker 2: to coach it and run it. So that part. I
29:37
Speaker 2: don't think you can be disappointed about or criticize the
29:41
Speaker 2: organization for you know, the messiness fine, but the actual
29:47
Speaker 2: bringing in of new coaches.
29:48
Speaker 1: We're going to do new things.
29:49
Speaker 2: That's what everybody, including you and I, I mean, we
29:52
Speaker 2: screamed it from the mountaintop. So this was the worst
29:54
Speaker 2: scheme in the NFL offensively and I'm not even sure
29:58
Speaker 2: it was close.
29:59
Speaker 1: And now you're getting radical change that it needed. So
30:02
Speaker 1: what happens from here we'll find out. Yeah, great with
30:07
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