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Time Stood Still: Eleven Extraordinary UFO & Alien Encounters with Missing Time · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone. My name is Preston Dennett, and welcome to
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Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. Very excited
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Speaker 1: about today's episode. I've only done a few like it.
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Speaker 1: This episode is about missing time. It does include several
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Speaker 1: accounts of humanoids as well. I call this one Time
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Speaker 1: Stood Still eleven extraordinary UFO and alien encounters with missing time.
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Speaker 1: Missing time and amnesia is very commonly reported, especially with
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Speaker 1: very close encounters, and yet it remains poorly understood. Is
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Speaker 1: it the ets doing this? Do we bear some responsibility?
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Speaker 1: Hard to say for sure. There is differing opinions on this,
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Speaker 1: but hopefully these cases that I'm presenting to you today
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Speaker 1: will help bring some clarity to this question. So I've
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Speaker 1: got eleven cases for you today. Some are very early,
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Speaker 1: some are quite recent. They come from all over the world,
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Speaker 1: including Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Finland, Spain, and sixth from the
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Speaker 1: United States including Illinois, Maryland, New York, Utah, Washington, d C.
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Speaker 1: And one from an undisclosed location within the United States. Again,
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Speaker 1: cases of missing time have a lot to teach us.
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Speaker 1: The cases I've chosen for you today have some really
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Speaker 1: unique elements and of course multiple witnesses various forms of evidence,
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Speaker 1: such as electromagnetic disturbances, animal reactions, physiological effects, in one
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Speaker 1: case actually involving photographic evidence, which is quite unusual. So
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Speaker 1: let's just get started. First case I want to talk
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Speaker 1: about today, I call it was Like Time Stood Still.
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Speaker 1: This one occurred way back in nineteen twenty nine, in
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Speaker 1: the summer of nineteen twenty nine, in the very rural
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Speaker 1: area of Spring Valley, New York, and this case has
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Speaker 1: some really interesting elements to it. This case comes from
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Speaker 1: researcher Bud Hopkins, the author of at least four books,
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Speaker 1: including one called Missing Time. He wrote about this case
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Speaker 1: in an article called Probable Childhood Abduction. This was published
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Speaker 1: in the MUFON Journal. This case does rest on the
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Speaker 1: testimony of a single witness, an anonymous woman whom Bud
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Speaker 1: called Ellen Sutter. It took place in a rural Spring Valley,
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Speaker 1: New York, now a heavily populated suburban area with some
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Speaker 1: thirty three thousand people, but back in nineteen twenty nine,
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Speaker 1: at the time of Ellen's encounter, it had less than
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Speaker 1: four thousand residents. It was one overcast summer afternoon when Ellen,
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Speaker 1: then about nine years old, was playing outside her family's home.
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Speaker 1: Suddenly she saw a bright flash of light in the sky, and,
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Speaker 1: as Alan says, it was like the reflection of the
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Speaker 1: sun on a metallic object. It kind of blinded me
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Speaker 1: and I was startled, and I looked up. There was
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Speaker 1: the big oak tree outside our property, and above the
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Speaker 1: tree was something huge, shaped like a dirigible with many
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Speaker 1: many portholes in this peculiar light. Now she didn't notice
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Speaker 1: that the portholes had an unusual shape that she found
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Speaker 1: difficult to describe, but she does recall that the craft
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Speaker 1: was metallic, and Ellen now experienced a sense of strange
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Speaker 1: loneliness and eerie silence, what researchers call the oz effect.
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Speaker 1: As Ellen said, there wasn't another soul, not another noise.
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Speaker 1: It was like time stood still, almost as if you
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Speaker 1: were in the present, and yet you weren't. I can't
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Speaker 1: describe it. It was like the fields were there, the
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Speaker 1: tree was there, the house was there. I was there.
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Speaker 1: My mother was in the house, but she wasn't in
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Speaker 1: the same world I was in. I was rooted to
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Speaker 1: the spot. The next thing she knew, humanoids emerged from
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Speaker 1: the craft and started to float down towards her. As
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Speaker 1: Ellen says, all of a sudden, these peculiar things, A
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Speaker 1: few I don't recall how many came out of it
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Speaker 1: and seemed to be floating. This is why I never
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Speaker 1: told anyone, because, as I said, it sounds a dream.
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Speaker 1: These people I called in people, I don't know what
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Speaker 1: they were. They looked like a diving suit with a
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Speaker 1: head shape at the top and a very distorted, short
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Speaker 1: looking body. It was weird, very very weird. At the time,
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Speaker 1: I kept thinking, my gosh, they're on ropes or something,
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Speaker 1: you know, the way a child thinks. These people came
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Speaker 1: out of an opening below the window section, through something
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Speaker 1: like a trapdoor. They just seemed to walk around like
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Speaker 1: you and I would up in the air now. Per Ellen,
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Speaker 1: these beings were gray blue in color. They floated or
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Speaker 1: walked in the air, about thirty or forty feet off
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Speaker 1: the ground, she estimates, but she has no memory of
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Speaker 1: them coming any closer, but she does remember them leaving.
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Speaker 1: As she said, they eventually got back into the thing,
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Speaker 1: and it went off like you'd snap your fingers once
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Speaker 1: or twice, and it was gone, no smoke, no noise,
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Speaker 1: And I thought, oh, I'm losing my mind. It's a dream,
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Speaker 1: and yet over the years, it's something that's always been
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Speaker 1: with me. Many times the memory of it has come
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Speaker 1: back to me now. And Bud Hopkins asked her how
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Speaker 1: long she viewed the UFO and the beings. Ellen was
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Speaker 1: unable to say, and she says, I have no idea.
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Speaker 1: I do remember at the time that my mother scolded
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Speaker 1: me for having been gone so long, saying where have
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Speaker 1: you been, what have you been doing? Things like that.
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Speaker 1: So this does sound like missing time. And another curious feature,
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Speaker 1: but one which often turns up in missing time cases,
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Speaker 1: is that Ellen told nobody about what happened, as she says,
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Speaker 1: I thought no one would believe me, and I also
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Speaker 1: felt that it was something I couldn't reveal at the time.
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Speaker 1: It was almost like a secret that I should keep Now.
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Speaker 1: Although Ellen cannot say for sure she had missing time,
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Speaker 1: Bud does believe that she probably did. As Bud Hopkins says,
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Speaker 1: the presence of a time lapse is strongly implied, as
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Speaker 1: is the suggestion of an unconscious injunction not to tell
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Speaker 1: anyone about her experience, and it for the confirmation of
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Speaker 1: missing time and a probable onboard encounter is Ellen's post
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Speaker 1: encounter reactions, as she says, I was afraid for quite
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Speaker 1: a while afterwards, very much afraid for weeks afterwards. I
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Speaker 1: was afraid of being alone, of it happening again. I
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Speaker 1: wanted to have a feeling of safety. All the time
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Speaker 1: I didn't feel safe. Ellen also suddenly developed a phobia
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Speaker 1: of becoming ill, or going to the doctor or getting
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Speaker 1: sick from having seen the strange beings. This despite the
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Speaker 1: fact that she never remembered them coming any closer than
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Speaker 1: one hundred feet to her. And a third reaction was
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Speaker 1: dreaming about the encounter, as Ellen says, yes, I had
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Speaker 1: dreams about it many, many times, more or less being
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Speaker 1: chased by these things, whatever they were. Sometimes they were
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Speaker 1: on the ground and sometimes flying. It puzzled me and
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Speaker 1: upset me. And I'm not the kind of person who
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Speaker 1: dreamed very much. So after interviewing her, Bud Hopkins asked
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Speaker 1: if she would consider hypnosis, but she declined she was
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Speaker 1: afraid of it, but she was both shocked and relieved
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Speaker 1: to hear that many others had described this kind of encounter.
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Speaker 1: Ellen herself makes no judgments about what happened and called
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Speaker 1: it only quote a strange, peculiar experience, but after interviewing
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Speaker 1: her at length. Bud Hopkins is convinced that she is
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Speaker 1: telling the truth as she remembers it. As he says,
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Speaker 1: I have absolute confidence and veracity of Missus Sutter and
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Speaker 1: respect for the clarity of her recall, the most interesting
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Speaker 1: aspect of this classic apparent abduction is its date. It occurred,
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Speaker 1: most probably in nineteen twenty nine. Yes, Bud Hopkins says,
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Speaker 1: I think the most interesting aspect of this case is
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Speaker 1: that it occurred so early nineteen twenty nine, well before
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Speaker 1: the modern age of UFOs, well before there were any
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Speaker 1: reported on board UFO encounters or really accounts of graves.
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Speaker 1: And that does appear to be what this witness is describing.
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Speaker 1: And given that she had this phobia of getting sick
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Speaker 1: and going to the doctor and had all kinds of
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Speaker 1: fears going on following her encounter, I do suspect she
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Speaker 1: was probably taken on board. I suspect that's the case
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Speaker 1: with the vast majority of incidents involving missing time, because
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Speaker 1: when people go under hypnosis, that's certainly what they almost
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Speaker 1: always discover. So yeah, an important case by any means. Now,
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Speaker 1: let's move to the next case, which I call stop
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Speaker 1: all atomic tests. This occurred on April twenty four, nineteen
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Speaker 1: fifty nine, in the coastal town of Piata, Brazil. This
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Speaker 1: is an amazing case. The witness is very credible and
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Speaker 1: he was able to obtain photographic evidence, which, as I
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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, is quite rare. This case was fairly widely
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Speaker 1: published in newspapers and in several UFO magazines such as
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Speaker 1: the Apro Bulletin, the SBEDV Bulletin, Flying Saucer Review, and more.
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Speaker 1: The witness is Helio Aguiar, a thirty two year old
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Speaker 1: store clerk. On April twenty four, nineteen fifty nine, Helio
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Speaker 1: borrowed a motorcycle which belonged to his friend, Captain leib Levivich.
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Speaker 1: He picked it up at the headquarters of the sixth
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Speaker 1: Military Region where Captain Leibovich worked, and then went to
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Speaker 1: visit his Afterwards. Helio was riding his motorcycle along Avenida
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Speaker 1: Octavio Mangabierra in Piatra, Brazil, which borders the ocean. As
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Speaker 1: he drove, he noticed a speck of an object over
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Speaker 1: the ocean, just a dark speck. Now, he wears glasses
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Speaker 1: and at first he assumed it must be something on
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Speaker 1: his glasses. But soon this dark speck grew larger and
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Speaker 1: it appeared to be moving closer, and soon he could
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Speaker 1: now see that it was actually a flatish disc shaped craft.
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Speaker 1: Without warning, Helio's motorcycle now failed and he came to
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Speaker 1: a stop, and the weird craft was now close enough
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Speaker 1: that he could see it was silver metallic. It had
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Speaker 1: a dome on top, what appeared to be portholes, a
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Speaker 1: flat bottom with four half spheres protruding from it, and
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Speaker 1: what looked to him almost like weird symbols on the bottom.
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Speaker 1: The craft proceeded to perform a variety of maneuvers, doing loops,
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Speaker 1: flipping upside down, hovering at a forty five degree angle,
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Speaker 1: and more. Now Helio had his camera ready, so he
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Speaker 1: quickly got it out and snapped a series of photographs,
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Speaker 1: and as he was taking the third photograph, he says
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Speaker 1: he began to feel a weird pressure in his head,
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Speaker 1: while at the same time he felt an urge to
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Speaker 1: write something down, almost as though he was being ordered
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Speaker 1: to do so. He felt like he was being hypnotized.
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Speaker 1: He continued to try and take a fourth photograph, but
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Speaker 1: instead he found himself losing consciousness. Some time past He's
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Speaker 1: not sure how long, but the next thing he knew.
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Speaker 1: He was waking up, draped over his motorcycle. He now
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Speaker 1: saw that he had a pencil in his right hand,
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Speaker 1: and in his left hand he was holding a piece
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Speaker 1: of paper that had previously been in his pocket, which
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Speaker 1: he had used to play tic tac toe with his nephews.
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Speaker 1: But now on the flip side of the paper he
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Speaker 1: saw a note written in his own handwriting in his
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Speaker 1: native language of Portuguese, which he had no memory of writing.
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Speaker 1: And the note read and I quote atomic experiences for
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Speaker 1: warfare should seize definitely. The balance of the universe is
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Speaker 1: at stake. We are watching and ready to interfere. Now
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Speaker 1: this statement has been variously translated in some of the publications.
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Speaker 1: Another version is put an absolute stop to all atomic
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Speaker 1: tests for warlike purposes. The balance of the universe is threatened,
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Speaker 1: we shall remain vigilant and ready to intervene. And a
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Speaker 1: third and final translation, atomic experience for warlike purposes shall
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Speaker 1: be definitely stopped. The equilibrium of the universe is threatened,
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Speaker 1: we will remain vigilant and ready to interfere. So all
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Speaker 1: three messages, while slightly paraphrased, have the same essential meaning.
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Speaker 1: Very much impressed by his encounter, but at the same
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Speaker 1: time still in doubt and wondering if he had imagined
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Speaker 1: the whole thing. Helio went directly to military headquarters to
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Speaker 1: see his friend Captain Leedvich. There they developed the photographs
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Speaker 1: he had taken, and to their amazement, the three photographs
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Speaker 1: Helio had taken showed the flying saucer he had seen,
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Speaker 1: and there was also a fourth photograph which showed the
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Speaker 1: flying saucer off in the distance, apparently leaving. This was
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Speaker 1: a photograph that Helio himself didn't even remember taking. Naturally,
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Speaker 1: these photographs were subjected to a thorough analysis. Analysis showed
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Speaker 1: that the angle of the sun and the shadows aligned
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Speaker 1: with the time and location where these photographs were taken.
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Speaker 1: There was no evidence of any strings or hoaxing of
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Speaker 1: any kind. The military also did an investigation into Helio
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Speaker 1: himself and his past, which showed that he was a
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Speaker 1: man of honesty and integrity, and in fact, Helio was
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Speaker 1: offered money for his photograph, which he steadfastly refused. The
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Speaker 1: note Helio had written was also subjected to handwriting analysis,
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Speaker 1: and it was shown to be his writing, although according
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Speaker 1: to the analysts it looked as though it was written
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Speaker 1: under some emotional stress. Now it was revealed that Helio
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Speaker 1: did have a prior interest and research into hypnosis, telepathy,
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Speaker 1: and other psychic subjects. Now, interestingly, the country of Brazil
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Speaker 1: had just obtained its first nuclear research reactor just two
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Speaker 1: years earlier in nineteen fifty seven, and was moving forward
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Speaker 1: quickly with its nuclear program when Helio had his encounter.
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Speaker 1: Such an astonishing case. Yes, it is a single witness case,
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Speaker 1: but we do have those photographs which were studied in
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Speaker 1: depth and apparently have found to be genuine, and he
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Speaker 1: is a very credible witness. What's most interesting to me
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Speaker 1: about that case is the message he presumably from the
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Speaker 1: ETS about the dangers of nuclear weaponry, because that is
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Speaker 1: the single most common message contactees will get hen you know,
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Speaker 1: don't be afraid, no harm will come to you. We
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Speaker 1: heard this message over and over again given to people
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Speaker 1: all over the world. I think people who are at
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Speaker 1: the lowest levels of society, so to speak to people
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Speaker 1: who are in very high positions. It's interesting this gentleman
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Speaker 1: did have access to a gentleman who was pretty highly
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Speaker 1: placed within the Brazilian military, so perhaps that's why he
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Speaker 1: was chosen hard to say for sure, but definitely a
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Speaker 1: credible witness. Now let's move to the next case, which
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Speaker 1: is really quite poignant. I call this one instead of fright,
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Speaker 1: there was sadness. This occurred in December of nineteen sixty
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Speaker 1: seven in an undisclosed location in the United States. All
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Speaker 1: we know is that it was a very rural area.
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Speaker 1: This is a multiple in this case and a really
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Speaker 1: interesting example of missing time. This case comes from pioneering
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Speaker 1: UFO researchers Coral and Jim Lorenzen and was published in
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Speaker 1: the September nineteen seventy sixth issue of the Apro Bulletin.
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Speaker 1: The witnesses are two young men who insisted upon complete anonymity,
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Speaker 1: so I'll just call the primary witness Brent. He was
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Speaker 1: seventeen years old. Was one clear moonlight evening in December
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven that Brent and his friend were driving
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Speaker 1: their car playfully chasing their other friends, who were in
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Speaker 1: a separate car, through a rural area. As the hour
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Speaker 1: approached midnight, Brent and his friend realized that they were
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Speaker 1: getting low on gas and we're about an hour away
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Speaker 1: from home, so they decided to stop playing around and
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Speaker 1: take a shortcut down a gravel road and get home. Now,
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Speaker 1: the road they were on turned out to be a
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Speaker 1: dead end, and they were racing their car pretty fast,
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Speaker 1: about eighty to ninety miles per hour when they saw
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Speaker 1: this dead end, so they tried to slow down to
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Speaker 1: about forty miles per hour, but were unable to stop
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Speaker 1: in time, and they ended up hitting a ditch and
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Speaker 1: damaging the radiator to the point where the car could
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Speaker 1: not be operated. Thankfully, neither was injured, so they decided
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Speaker 1: to just continue walking in the hopes of finding a
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Speaker 1: telephone to call their parents and let them know they
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Speaker 1: were fine and that they needed a ride home. They
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Speaker 1: could see a home about three fourths of a mile away,
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Speaker 1: and upon reaching it, they knocked on the front door,
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Speaker 1: but nobody answered. They saw another home a half mile
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Speaker 1: beyond where they had left their car, so they turned
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Speaker 1: around headed in the other direction towards it, and it
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Speaker 1: was then that one of them saw a strange orange
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Speaker 1: light in the north sky and pointed it out to
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Speaker 1: the other one. So as they walked to the other house,
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Speaker 1: this orange light seemed to move closer, and by the
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Speaker 1: time they reached the second house, the orange light had
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Speaker 1: moved close enough to reveal a distinct saucer shape, So
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Speaker 1: the boys started talking about whether they were imagining this,
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Speaker 1: but they just approached the house and knocked on the
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Speaker 1: front door. The dogs that the property barked at them,
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Speaker 1: but again nobody came to their aid. So forgetting momentarily
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Speaker 1: about the saucer shaped light, they began to walk to
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Speaker 1: a third house located a half mile away from this one,
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Speaker 1: and as they started walking, they saw this object again,
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Speaker 1: which now appeared to be coming closer to them and
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Speaker 1: actually following them. Now this encouraged them to walk faster,
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Speaker 1: and by the time they were halfway to the third house,
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Speaker 1: they could see that this saucer was definitely following them
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Speaker 1: and was now only a few hundred yards behind them.
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Speaker 1: So this got them very afraid, and they began running
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Speaker 1: as fast as they could, and as Brent says, we
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Speaker 1: were both frightened, nearly out of our minds. We were
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Speaker 1: both at a dead run. But suddenly, and you must
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Speaker 1: understand that at the time, it seemed that we went
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Speaker 1: from the dead run and fight to standing still and
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Speaker 1: looking at the saucer at least two or three miles away,
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Speaker 1: leaving all this with no transition time and instead of fright,
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Speaker 1: there was a definite sadness that the saucer was leaving,
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Speaker 1: and looking back to the second house, the lights were
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Speaker 1: on and the dogs, which had been quiet before we
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Speaker 1: knocked at the door, were barking. So Brent and his
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Speaker 1: friend were absolutely shocked. One moment, they had been running
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Speaker 1: in sheer terror from this object that was coming towards them.
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Speaker 1: The next moment, they were sad and the object was
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Speaker 1: going away. Now, seeing that the lights were on in
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Speaker 1: the house they had just visited, they returned there, only
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Speaker 1: to discover that it was now four a m. They
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Speaker 1: were very surprised at this, as it had been midnight
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Speaker 1: when they started walking, and they had gone no more
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Speaker 1: than two and a half miles without stopping. As Brent says,
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Speaker 1: this would leave a two hour gap in our lives,
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Speaker 1: which would account for our obvious turnaround feelings towards the saucer.
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Speaker 1: We didn't try to tell anyone about the saucer, and
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Speaker 1: in a way, that in itself is strange, because we
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Speaker 1: didn't even consider it. Now Coral and Jim Lorenzen continue
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Speaker 1: to investigate this case, and they hoped to provide a
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Speaker 1: follow up of the case in a future issue of
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Speaker 1: the apro bulletin alas that never happened, and as in
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Speaker 1: most cases of missing time, what happened during the lost
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Speaker 1: hours remains a mystery. My heart goes out to those
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Speaker 1: two boys. It was clearly a very frightening experience for them.
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Speaker 1: I wonder about it. Was this a case of an
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Speaker 1: opportunistic on board encounter. Did the ETS know that the
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Speaker 1: boys would be out late at night? There's no real
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Speaker 1: way to tell for sure. I sure do wonder if
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Speaker 1: there was ever any follow up on this case. If
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Speaker 1: there was, it was never reported. But how amazing is
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Speaker 1: the emotional reaction here. We have two boys who are
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Speaker 1: pretty much in a state of complete panic and as
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Speaker 1: if us switch is flat, but suddenly they are feeling
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Speaker 1: this profound sadness. I have heard this before, and I
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Speaker 1: think it's a really interesting indication of something going on
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Speaker 1: here that we simply do not know. In other words,
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Speaker 1: these boys don't remember the whole encounter. It's a really
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Speaker 1: good example of missing time, and I'm sure would be
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Speaker 1: interesting to find out what the whole experience was. I
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Speaker 1: think the vast majority of cases of missing time go unexplored,
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Speaker 1: and probably the vast majority of them go unreported because
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Speaker 1: people can have missing time and not even know it.
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Speaker 1: So let's look at another example. I call this next
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Speaker 1: case the Vanishing Boy. This occurred in February of nineteen
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Speaker 1: sixty nine and Buenos Aires, Argentina. What's amazing about this
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Speaker 1: case is that this boy apparently was taken in full
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Speaker 1: view of two members of his family. It's a very
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Speaker 1: unusual case. This alarming and very unusual case was published
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Speaker 1: in La Chronica newspaper, and it occurred in February of
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine. The witnesses are a family of European
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Speaker 1: immigrants who at the time were living as housekeepers for
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Speaker 1: a building on Kye Pico in downtown Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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Speaker 1: The main witness, Ruben Walter Russen, was the eleven year
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Speaker 1: old grandson and he was getting ready to go downstairs
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Speaker 1: and join his aunt and grandmother on a brief shopping trip.
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Speaker 1: And they were all together in the hallway when suddenly,
22:40
Speaker 1: the aunt, Anna de Rasca, and the grandmother, Susanna Las
22:45
Speaker 1: were shocked to see Ruben becoming enveloped in this weird
22:50
Speaker 1: dark cloud. As it slowly and completely enveloped Reuben the
22:54
Speaker 1: boy disappeared and the cloud slowly dissipated. Ruben was nowhere
22:59
Speaker 1: to be found. Immediately, the aunt and grandmother frantically searched
23:03
Speaker 1: the house, but they could not find Reuben anywhere. They
23:08
Speaker 1: quickly alerted everybody, and soon the entire district was informed,
23:12
Speaker 1: and for the next two and a half hours, the
23:15
Speaker 1: building was searched from top to bottom. The surrounding area
23:19
Speaker 1: was searched, but there was no trace of eleven year
23:22
Speaker 1: old Reuben anywhere, nor had anybody reported seeing him. Then
23:27
Speaker 1: two and a half hours later, Reuben spontaneously reappeared in
23:31
Speaker 1: the corridor, exactly where he had been enveloped by the
23:35
Speaker 1: dark cloud and taken. No one saw him reappear, He
23:38
Speaker 1: was just there. He was lying on the floor beside
23:41
Speaker 1: the refrigerator. His skin was unnaturally warm, and on each
23:45
Speaker 1: cheek of his face there was a strange, pale red circle.
23:50
Speaker 1: Now Reuben himself was unable to explain what had happened
23:53
Speaker 1: to him, but he did have some memories. He said
23:57
Speaker 1: that he suddenly became disoriented and found him unable to move,
24:01
Speaker 1: and then he suddenly found himself lying on something that
24:04
Speaker 1: he described as soft and warm, kind of like a mattress,
24:08
Speaker 1: and he had the impression that he was inside a sphere.
24:12
Speaker 1: He saw bright lights around him. He sensed the presence
24:15
Speaker 1: of somebody standing near him, touching him with hot hands
24:19
Speaker 1: and saying ab bla ablah or talk talk Weirdly, the
24:24
Speaker 1: words were pronounced with an incorrect accent, he said. Next,
24:29
Speaker 1: Rubin felt some sort of ear piece being inserted into
24:32
Speaker 1: his ear, and finally he heard the voice of his
24:35
Speaker 1: grandmother calling him, and he woke up finding himself on
24:39
Speaker 1: the floor in their apartment, and he was unable to
24:43
Speaker 1: remember anything else for the family. Ruben was a highly intelligent,
24:48
Speaker 1: normal and bright kid, and was in fact at the
24:51
Speaker 1: top of his class in school. I can't say I've
24:54
Speaker 1: heard of another case quite like that. There are a
24:56
Speaker 1: number of cases of observed abductions. I did a whole
25:00
Speaker 1: episode on that called Caught in the Act. You can
25:03
Speaker 1: check that out, and if I had known about this case,
25:06
Speaker 1: I would have included it in that episode, because it
25:09
Speaker 1: does look like this young boy was in fact taken
25:13
Speaker 1: on board, although they didn't see a UFO from the outside.
25:17
Speaker 1: He's describing your typical onboard encounter where he's laid out
25:21
Speaker 1: on a table and apparently physically examined. Also some interesting
25:26
Speaker 1: physiological effects associated with this encounter. It's just a really
25:31
Speaker 1: unusual case. All right, Let's move to the next one.
25:35
Speaker 1: I call this one twenty two missing hours. This occurred
25:40
Speaker 1: on August twenty first, nineteen seventy five, in the large
25:45
Speaker 1: city of Benedorme, Spain. This is a pretty crowded area.
25:49
Speaker 1: What's amazing about this case is that this gentleman was
25:53
Speaker 1: missing for almost a full day. This case is also
25:57
Speaker 1: very unusual. It was first published in November twenty four,
26:01
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, issue of the Spanish newspaper Seuer. I
26:06
Speaker 1: haven't seen it anywhere else. The main witness is Jose
26:09
Speaker 1: abad Avelos. He was a jeweler from the city of Benidorm,
26:14
Speaker 1: located in the Alicanti province of Spain. And it was
26:18
Speaker 1: around eleven pm on August twenty, nineteen seventy five, that
26:22
Speaker 1: Jose and his friends, all huge opera fans, were enjoying
26:27
Speaker 1: one of their routine weekly get togethers to talk about music.
26:31
Speaker 1: Was now around two am now August twenty first, that
26:35
Speaker 1: Jose and his friend, a very famous journalist by the
26:38
Speaker 1: name of Edel Muro Trio, were walking to Edelmuro's apartment
26:43
Speaker 1: to enjoy some sandwiches and coffee. After that, they took
26:47
Speaker 1: a walk to the beach. In about four point fifteen am,
26:51
Speaker 1: Jose left his friend's apartment and began to walk to
26:54
Speaker 1: his own home, which were the apartments at the Plemont
26:58
Speaker 1: Fiesta Building. Was now four thirty a m. And as
27:02
Speaker 1: he was walking home, he was shocked to see a
27:05
Speaker 1: strange light in the sky which was both ascending and
27:08
Speaker 1: then descending at a dizzying speed. He first wondered if
27:12
Speaker 1: it might be a helicopter or perhaps a small plane
27:15
Speaker 1: in distress, but he didn't think too much about it.
27:17
Speaker 1: He just continued walking along the Tomas or Tuna Avenue,
27:22
Speaker 1: and when he reached the Alakanti Valencia General Highway, he
27:25
Speaker 1: noticed a quote frightening darkness which he said seemed to
27:29
Speaker 1: almost descend over the city. So this concerned him and
27:33
Speaker 1: he picked up his pace and as he was crossing
27:36
Speaker 1: a small bridge, this is when he saw an enormous,
27:40
Speaker 1: brilliant light in front of him. Now, he later learned
27:43
Speaker 1: that around the same time he was seeing this brilliant,
27:46
Speaker 1: unexplained light, another group of people in a touring car
27:50
Speaker 1: were apparently blinded by an unexplained brilliant light, which caused
27:54
Speaker 1: them to have an accident. Their car plunged into the sea.
27:58
Speaker 1: This was just a short distance away. Reportedly, one of
28:01
Speaker 1: the occupants of the car drowned in the accident, so
28:05
Speaker 1: this may or may not be connected at any rate. Now,
28:08
Speaker 1: arriving home at his apartment at the plai Mont Fiesta building,
28:13
Speaker 1: he found his wife waiting for him, and she was
28:16
Speaker 1: incredibly worried and asked him where he had been all
28:19
Speaker 1: this time, and he explained that after he had been
28:21
Speaker 1: at work, he went to go meet his friends as
28:24
Speaker 1: he normally did so she seemed dubious, but he just
28:28
Speaker 1: went to sleep, and the next day, or what he
28:31
Speaker 1: thought was the next day, he arrived at his jewelry shop.
28:34
Speaker 1: This was around ten a m. And the clerk who
28:37
Speaker 1: works for him looked up in surprise and asked him
28:40
Speaker 1: where he was the previous day. Jose didn't understand why
28:44
Speaker 1: she would ask this question, as he had been at
28:47
Speaker 1: the shop as normal, or so he thought, so he
28:50
Speaker 1: just gave a kind of an ambiguous answer and shrugged
28:53
Speaker 1: it off. Now only later did he realize that the
28:57
Speaker 1: date was now August twenty second, he learned that after
29:01
Speaker 1: seeing the strange light, he had arrived home at two
29:04
Speaker 1: a m. On August twenty second, not four thirty or
29:07
Speaker 1: five a m. On August twenty first, as he assumed
29:11
Speaker 1: as he should have arrived. So he discovered that he
29:14
Speaker 1: was actually missing some twenty two hours of time that
29:18
Speaker 1: he could not account for. And that's where the matter
29:20
Speaker 1: sat for some time. But two years later he was
29:24
Speaker 1: driving from Alicanti to Benedorm when suddenly and spontaneously, the
29:29
Speaker 1: memory of this event came rushing back to him right
29:33
Speaker 1: out of the blue. And as Jose says in his
29:35
Speaker 1: own words and I quote, at that moment, I tried
29:39
Speaker 1: to speed up my memory. Then I recalled a sight
29:42
Speaker 1: that will never be erased from my memory. I wanted
29:45
Speaker 1: to interpret the dazzling, powerful light on the little bridge
29:49
Speaker 1: of the Alacanti General Highway as a huge derrick, from
29:53
Speaker 1: which were suspended some cables onto which were clinging some
29:56
Speaker 1: small men between one point five and one point six
29:59
Speaker 1: meet in height that's four feet eleven inches to five
30:03
Speaker 1: feet three inches, with a strong build, who were handling
30:06
Speaker 1: some tools. I remember that I greeted them and they
30:10
Speaker 1: did not answer me, and the silence that reigned overcame me.
30:15
Speaker 1: I felt a tingling over my body, and now my
30:18
Speaker 1: mind fogged up. So that was all he could remember.
30:22
Speaker 1: Just coming upon this light and seeing these strange men
30:25
Speaker 1: dangling from this sort of crane, is how he described it.
30:29
Speaker 1: A very strange case, such an unusual encounter, and as
30:33
Speaker 1: you'll see, there is a pattern here. The vast majority
30:36
Speaker 1: of these cases occur when people are perhaps outside. Quite
30:41
Speaker 1: a few do occur in people's bedrooms, but almost all
30:44
Speaker 1: of them occur at night. Not all of them, but
30:47
Speaker 1: what I would say, the vast majority. It's a truly
30:51
Speaker 1: astonishing case also in that he forgot about this whole
30:58
Speaker 1: incident for quite some time, or rather had spontaneous recall
31:02
Speaker 1: of what happened during at least some of this missing time,
31:06
Speaker 1: and was able to recall humanoids. So the vast majority
31:11
Speaker 1: of these cases I think, do have humanoids. But whether
31:13
Speaker 1: people remember it or not is another matter. So let's
31:19
Speaker 1: move to the next case. This one is also pretty unusual.
31:24
Speaker 1: It's got some humorous elements to it. I don't know
31:26
Speaker 1: if the witness would feel that way, but as you'll
31:29
Speaker 1: see when we cover the case, you'll see what I mean.
31:33
Speaker 1: I call this one a sense of lightness. This one
31:36
Speaker 1: occurred on September twenty, nineteen seventy nine, in Poplar Grove, Illinois,
31:42
Speaker 1: and this is another typical case of people driving on
31:45
Speaker 1: a highway late at night when they have their encounter. Yes,
31:49
Speaker 1: a single witness case, but a really extraordinary example and
31:54
Speaker 1: pretty typical in a lot of ways of missing time.
31:57
Speaker 1: This case comes from the j Allen heinez Center for
32:00
Speaker 1: UFO Studies q FOS and was investigated personally by j.
32:05
Speaker 1: Allen Heinek himself and researcher Alan Hendry. The witness is
32:10
Speaker 1: a young married mother. She is anonymous, so i'll call
32:13
Speaker 1: her Emily. On the pre dawn hours of September twenty,
32:17
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, Emily left her home in Poplar Grove,
32:21
Speaker 1: Illinois to travel to her job at a nursing home.
32:25
Speaker 1: This was a very rural route through cornfields and occasional homes.
32:30
Speaker 1: She hadn't driven very far when she saw an oval
32:33
Speaker 1: shaped blue light surrounded by a white haze, hovering stationary
32:38
Speaker 1: and low in the sky to the northwest. She watched
32:41
Speaker 1: it for about fifteen seconds when suddenly this glowing object
32:45
Speaker 1: swooped towards her very swiftly and in perfect silence, descending
32:50
Speaker 1: closer and closer in a curving pattern right towards her,
32:53
Speaker 1: and was soon right over her windshield. Immediately, the object
32:57
Speaker 1: flooded her car with light. Frightened, she pressed the accelerator
33:01
Speaker 1: to the floor in an attempt to escape from the object,
33:04
Speaker 1: but weirdly, the car refused to accelerate and her speed
33:08
Speaker 1: remained as steady forty miles per hour. At this point,
33:12
Speaker 1: Emily felt what she called quote a sense of lightness.
33:16
Speaker 1: She says, it was almost as if she and the
33:18
Speaker 1: car were floating a few inches off the road. Then suddenly,
33:24
Speaker 1: as if a switch had been flipped, Emily found herself
33:27
Speaker 1: about six miles further down the road, with no conscious
33:31
Speaker 1: recollection of how she got there. There was a parked
33:34
Speaker 1: police car nearby, so she stopped her car, got out,
33:37
Speaker 1: and ran to the police car for help. Now, meanwhile,
33:41
Speaker 1: her husband was at home listening to a police scanner,
33:45
Speaker 1: and this is when he overheard a report of a
33:48
Speaker 1: hysterical woman who was ranting to a police officer at
33:52
Speaker 1: the intersections of Beaverton and Poplar Grove Roads. She was
33:56
Speaker 1: raving about a strange light in the sky, he chuckled
34:00
Speaker 1: to himself until he suddenly realized that this ranting woman
34:04
Speaker 1: was actually his wife. Not long after the incident, Emily
34:09
Speaker 1: visited her family doctor, and as he was examining her
34:13
Speaker 1: eyes with a light probe, Emily had a sudden, terrifying
34:16
Speaker 1: impression of glowing eyes staring down at her. In response,
34:21
Speaker 1: she involuntarily reached out and knocked the probe straight out
34:24
Speaker 1: of the doctor's hands. She could not offer any explanation
34:29
Speaker 1: as to why the doctor's probe had frightened her so badly.
34:32
Speaker 1: Now after the encounter, she did take authorities to the
34:35
Speaker 1: location of the incident to show them where she had
34:38
Speaker 1: seen this strange light appear. And at that moment, as
34:42
Speaker 1: she was showing the officers, a plane flying by reflected
34:46
Speaker 1: the sunlight, making a bright flash in the sky. This
34:50
Speaker 1: caused her to become briefly hysterical with fear. It scared
34:53
Speaker 1: her really badly, and again Emily could not explain her reaction.
34:58
Speaker 1: Researcher Alan Hendry did in interview her doctor, who said
35:01
Speaker 1: that he had known Emily for ten years and that
35:04
Speaker 1: she had a good marriage, a stable marriage, and had
35:07
Speaker 1: no history of panic attacks or anxiety as in most
35:11
Speaker 1: cases again of missing time. What happened during this period
35:15
Speaker 1: of time that Emily was unable to account for remains
35:18
Speaker 1: a mystery. What's interesting to me about that case is
35:22
Speaker 1: that this lady said that she felt almost as if
35:26
Speaker 1: she in her car were floating off the ground. To me,
35:29
Speaker 1: that's a huge red flag that she was probably taken
35:32
Speaker 1: along with her car into the craft, because there are
35:35
Speaker 1: certainly a lot of examples of that. Also interesting is
35:40
Speaker 1: that she was found in a completely separate location. How
35:43
Speaker 1: does that happen? I mean, probably she was set back
35:46
Speaker 1: down again. I don't think that she sort of just
35:52
Speaker 1: lost consciousness and continued driving, because she would have ended
35:56
Speaker 1: up on the side of the road, probably in an accident.
36:00
Speaker 1: Another interesting thing were the after effects, where she felt
36:04
Speaker 1: sort of a panic attack as she was being physically
36:07
Speaker 1: examined by her doctor. This is a reaction that does
36:11
Speaker 1: happen to a number of contactees, and it's another way
36:14
Speaker 1: that they sort of have flashbacks or memories of the
36:19
Speaker 1: onboard experience. Again, hypnosis is a very effective method, in
36:24
Speaker 1: my humble opinion, if done correctly, to recover amnesia and
36:29
Speaker 1: missing time, but she declined to do it in this case.
36:33
Speaker 1: All right, let's move to the next case. This one
36:37
Speaker 1: got quite an uproar in the country where it occurred
36:40
Speaker 1: at the time. I call this one seven hours of
36:44
Speaker 1: missing time. This occurred on July thirty first, nineteen eighty one,
36:49
Speaker 1: on Lake Pileinen in Finland. Seven hours. That's quite a
36:54
Speaker 1: bit of missing time. Usually missing time runs anywhere from
36:58
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty minutes to an hour or two, but
37:02
Speaker 1: not unusual to have four or five or even seven
37:05
Speaker 1: hours of missing time beyond that, that's quite rare. This
37:09
Speaker 1: is a multiple witness case, which adds to its credibilities certainly. Also,
37:14
Speaker 1: the witnesses had some undeniable physical effects following their encounter.
37:19
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's got some really interesting aspects to it.
37:23
Speaker 1: This case was investigated by Finnish researchers Juhani kiro Lanin
37:29
Speaker 1: and Pekka tera Korpi. They are the authors of a
37:32
Speaker 1: Finnish language book titled Ufo Mystery Again. This case involves
37:37
Speaker 1: two witnesses, both friends, both anonymous men, aged thirty five
37:42
Speaker 1: years old. On July thirty first, nineteen eighty the two
37:47
Speaker 1: friends were on a holiday and we're sailing their boat
37:49
Speaker 1: on Lake Pilinin. This is a big lake with oney
37:54
Speaker 1: one hundred miles of shoreline. It's in fact Finland's fourth
37:58
Speaker 1: largest lake. Around eight forty pm, the men were heading
38:02
Speaker 1: south along the remote and rural forted coastline known as
38:07
Speaker 1: Rara Nimi Cape, heading towards the town of Liska. Without warning,
38:12
Speaker 1: an unusual, dark, almost cloudlike spherical object appeared overhead. They said.
38:19
Speaker 1: This object had one large light and was surrounded by
38:22
Speaker 1: a group of much smaller lights. Now no sooner had
38:25
Speaker 1: the men sighted this strange object. When it began to
38:28
Speaker 1: approach them. Alarmed, they stopped the boat. The large light
38:32
Speaker 1: then left the sphere and approached their boat. Then a
38:37
Speaker 1: black object left the spherical object and flew to the
38:40
Speaker 1: stern of the boat, close enough for them to get
38:43
Speaker 1: a good look at it. They said it looked like
38:45
Speaker 1: a black craft with two lights surrounded by fog. Now
38:49
Speaker 1: one of the men now found his body completely immobilized,
38:53
Speaker 1: though he was still able to speak to his friend.
38:56
Speaker 1: Then what seemed like moments later, the black craft and
38:59
Speaker 1: the light disappeared. The men were briefly disoriented and were
39:04
Speaker 1: now puzzled to find themselves sitting in different positions on
39:07
Speaker 1: the boat than they had been seconds earlier. They quickly
39:11
Speaker 1: checked their watches and were absolutely shocked to see that
39:15
Speaker 1: the time was now four to ten a m. So
39:18
Speaker 1: about seven hours had passed in what seemed like seconds, inexplicably,
39:23
Speaker 1: despite the fact that seven hours were unaccounted for, and
39:27
Speaker 1: the fact that there was a strong current and wins
39:30
Speaker 1: the boat was still in the same exact location now.
39:34
Speaker 1: In the days following this incident, both men experienced unusual
39:38
Speaker 1: symptoms such as shaking hands, a poor sense of balance,
39:43
Speaker 1: and nightmares. These symptoms continued to persist for over a week,
39:48
Speaker 1: and realizing that they had just experienced a missing time
39:52
Speaker 1: UFO encounter, they did their research and contacted the finish researchers,
39:57
Speaker 1: Johanni kyro Lanin and Pecca Teracorpi. After interviewing the witnesses,
40:03
Speaker 1: the researchers decided to try regressive hypnosis to recover the
40:08
Speaker 1: seven lost hours. However, their attempt failed, as did a
40:12
Speaker 1: second attempt. The witnesses were not able to recover anything.
40:17
Speaker 1: They never did learn what transpired during those seven missing hours.
40:23
Speaker 1: These missing time cases raised so many questions where was
40:26
Speaker 1: the witness's boat when these guys were taken on board
40:31
Speaker 1: or presumably taken on board. Was their boat taken with them?
40:36
Speaker 1: What happened during these seven missing hours? Interesting that the
40:41
Speaker 1: hypnosis did not work with these two. That is not unusual.
40:46
Speaker 1: Sometimes people are simply not able to recover what happened
40:50
Speaker 1: during their missing time. Remember Travis Walton was missing for
40:54
Speaker 1: five days and he tried several times to do hypnosis
40:58
Speaker 1: and just couldn't get past the memory block. So I
41:02
Speaker 1: don't know something is happening during these missing hours. Now
41:06
Speaker 1: let's move to the next case. This one is so
41:10
Speaker 1: interesting to me because people will often say, no, it's
41:14
Speaker 1: all right if I'm taken on board. I just wish
41:16
Speaker 1: the eighties would come to the front door, knock on
41:18
Speaker 1: the door and ask well. In this case, there was
41:22
Speaker 1: an aspect to this where the UFOs did knock, and
41:26
Speaker 1: in fact I called this case when UFOs knock. This
41:30
Speaker 1: one occurred one evening in February of nineteen eighty three
41:35
Speaker 1: in Grande Meer, Quebec, Canada, and some very very unusual
41:40
Speaker 1: aspects to this particular case. This case comes from French
41:44
Speaker 1: journalist Michel Ploutier and it first appeared in the February four,
41:48
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three issue of the French newspaper The Novelliste,
41:53
Speaker 1: in an article titled she didn't believe in flying saucers,
41:57
Speaker 1: but then she saw one. It was about ten fifteen
42:00
Speaker 1: pm one evening in early February nineteen eighty three that
42:05
Speaker 1: Simon Laverne went to bed in her home on Twelfth
42:08
Speaker 1: Street in the village of Grand Mere, Quebec, Canada. About
42:13
Speaker 1: two hours after falling asleep, she was awakened by a strong,
42:17
Speaker 1: hard knocking sound of unknown origin, which appeared to be
42:21
Speaker 1: coming from her home. The first time it happened, she
42:24
Speaker 1: just ignored it, but then it happened again. She felt
42:27
Speaker 1: no fear, only astonishment, and said to herself, my god,
42:31
Speaker 1: what's going on. So she got up, and, thinking the
42:34
Speaker 1: refrigerator might be responsible for the unexplained knocking noises, she
42:39
Speaker 1: went into the kitchen, but the refrigerator was fine. A
42:43
Speaker 1: quick inspection of the living room in the basement also
42:46
Speaker 1: showed nothing unusual. In fact, the entire house was completely silent.
42:51
Speaker 1: So she went back to bed, and five minutes later
42:54
Speaker 1: she heard that penetrating knocking sound again, and it now
42:59
Speaker 1: sounded to her like these knocking sounds were coming from
43:02
Speaker 1: the kitchen table. She was very puzzled and slightly worried
43:06
Speaker 1: and frightened. She got up, went to the kitchen and
43:09
Speaker 1: inspected a table, but again nothing was out of place.
43:12
Speaker 1: She decided to go to the sink and get a
43:14
Speaker 1: glass of water, and as she did so, she leaned
43:17
Speaker 1: forward and looked out the kitchen window and gasped with
43:21
Speaker 1: astonishment because clearly visible was a flying saucer sparkling with light.
43:28
Speaker 1: She said, the object was egg shaped, enormous, and in
43:31
Speaker 1: the center it had an array of almost jewel like
43:34
Speaker 1: green lights which were blinking on and off, as if
43:38
Speaker 1: rotating around any lips. She saw a sparkling white globe
43:42
Speaker 1: just beneath these lights, and two other glowing white orbs,
43:46
Speaker 1: one at each end of this object, and she exclaimed
43:49
Speaker 1: to herself, my goodness, what's going on. At this point,
43:54
Speaker 1: something even stranger happened. She became so riveted to the spot,
43:59
Speaker 1: just staring at the craft, that she completely lost track
44:03
Speaker 1: of time. She just leaned against the window looking, and
44:06
Speaker 1: in fact it was about one hour later, now around
44:09
Speaker 1: one thirty am, that she suddenly came to her senses
44:13
Speaker 1: and she began to scream, saying, damn it, this doesn't
44:17
Speaker 1: make sense, I don't believe it. This doesn't make sense. Now.
44:22
Speaker 1: At this point, she again heard two very strong knocks
44:25
Speaker 1: that now appeared to be coming from the faucet on
44:27
Speaker 1: the heating oil reserve tank outside the building. Now trembling
44:32
Speaker 1: with emotion, Simone watched the object for another half hour,
44:37
Speaker 1: when it started to spin slowly and then took off,
44:40
Speaker 1: becoming dimmer and disappearing into the distance. Now interviewing Simone,
44:46
Speaker 1: journalist Michel Clutier was struck by how entranced Simone was
44:51
Speaker 1: by the encounter, and, as he writes, although completely unable
44:56
Speaker 1: to explain what happened to her in rational terms, Miss
44:59
Speaker 1: c Simonne Lavergne seems peacefully invaded by a sort of intoxication,
45:05
Speaker 1: as if under the effect of contact with some external source.
45:09
Speaker 1: In a declaration which was emotionally moving due to its
45:13
Speaker 1: great simplicity, she told us, if they really are people
45:18
Speaker 1: from elsewhere who come to see us, I have a
45:20
Speaker 1: question to ask them. If their answer is positive, I
45:24
Speaker 1: shall have a personal revelation to make you. An interesting
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Speaker 1: aftermath is that Simone's son, Jean Laverne, who was a
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Speaker 1: professional musician, was very much impressed by this sighting so impressed,
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Speaker 1: in fact, that he became an active UFO researcher, investigating
45:42
Speaker 1: dozens of cases, filming UFOs, forming his own UFO group,
45:47
Speaker 1: and eventually hosting his own radio program and appearing on TV,
45:52
Speaker 1: and was in fact awarded the first pre Pauline Mongraine
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Speaker 1: Award for the Advancement of Euphology in Quebec. How interesting
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Speaker 1: is that it's almost like the UFO is making these
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Speaker 1: knocking noises to get this witness's attention, get her to
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Speaker 1: look outside the missing time aspect. And this one isn't
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Speaker 1: perfectly clear, but when someone says that they lost track
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Speaker 1: of time and weren't sure how long this encounter lasted,
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Speaker 1: that's a huge red flag. And apparently she was sitting
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Speaker 1: and standing in front of her kitchen window for an hour.
46:28
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to believe that you're just standing
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Speaker 1: there staring, doing nothing, so perhaps that's when she was taken.
46:36
Speaker 1: Very interesting to me is that her son was so
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Speaker 1: impressed by his mom's encounter that he himself became deeply
46:44
Speaker 1: involved in UFO research, forming his own UFO group, being
46:51
Speaker 1: heavily involved in UFO research to the point that he
46:55
Speaker 1: started his own podcast, went on TV and so forth.
47:00
Speaker 1: So there's this interesting after effects to a lot of
47:03
Speaker 1: these encounters where people themselves helped move forward the field
47:08
Speaker 1: of UFO research. Now let's move to the next case.
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Speaker 1: This one has a really interesting takeaway I think as
47:16
Speaker 1: to why there is missing time. I call this one
47:20
Speaker 1: they want to forget. This occurred on August fourteen, nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighty three, in Baltimore, Maryland. It's a double witness case
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Speaker 1: a mother and a daughter who had a very close
47:32
Speaker 1: up encounter with a UFO which apparently followed them home.
47:36
Speaker 1: This next case comes from April consultant Alfred Joseph Graziano
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Speaker 1: and was published in the January nineteen eighty four issue
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Speaker 1: of the Apro Bulletin. There are two witnesses, Pauline Drogellis
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Speaker 1: and her twenty three year old daughter, Cindy. Was around
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Speaker 1: ten pm on August fourteen, nineteen eighty three. They had
47:57
Speaker 1: just started a road trip from Bath, pennsylvani and were
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Speaker 1: returning to their home near Baltimore, Maryland. They did have
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Speaker 1: to make a twenty minute side trip to drop off
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Speaker 1: a passenger, but they knew that the entire journey should
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Speaker 1: take them about four hours to complete. They were traveling
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Speaker 1: southbound on Interstate six ninety five and were about one
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Speaker 1: mile from home, and this is when they both noticed
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Speaker 1: an odd looking light in the sky. Because of its
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Speaker 1: unusual appearance, they slowed down the car to observe it
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Speaker 1: more clearly, and they could now see that it was,
48:31
Speaker 1: in fact a round object, and it certainly did not
48:34
Speaker 1: appear to be a normal aircraft. They did notice another
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Speaker 1: strange detail as another car approached them and passed, the
48:41
Speaker 1: object moved away as if to avoid being spotted by
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Speaker 1: the other car. After the other car was gone, the
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Speaker 1: object returned, so they turned onto their street and lost
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Speaker 1: sight of the object briefly. But when they arrived home
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Speaker 1: and stopped in the driveway, they said quote, something made
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Speaker 1: them look up up and there, of course was this object,
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Speaker 1: now hovering over the trees next to their house. Very nervous,
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Speaker 1: they ran to their front porch and started banging on
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Speaker 1: the front door and digging frantically in their purses to
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Speaker 1: find their house keys. And the objects started to move
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Speaker 1: closer and hover stationary in a gap between the trees,
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Speaker 1: no more than sixty feet above the ground, and they
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Speaker 1: could now clearly see that this was a craft round
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Speaker 1: with the dome on top what looked to be slat
49:29
Speaker 1: like windows around the dome. They estimated that this object
49:32
Speaker 1: was thirty feet wide. They could see lights at either
49:35
Speaker 1: end of it, and we was close enough that they
49:37
Speaker 1: could hear a very quiet, quote whistling sound. So finally
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Speaker 1: Pauline's son opened the front door and they rushed inside.
49:45
Speaker 1: By this point, Pauline was frantic with fear. Weirdly, her
49:49
Speaker 1: daughter Cindy was completely calm, not the least bit excited
49:53
Speaker 1: or frightened. But the biggest shock was yet to come,
49:57
Speaker 1: because now looking at the clock, they saw it was
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Speaker 1: four to ten a m. This journey, which should have
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Speaker 1: taken no more than four hours, had taken almost six hours.
50:08
Speaker 1: Deducting the time of the side trips and twice stopping
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Speaker 1: for gas, they were still missing at least an hour
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Speaker 1: of time, and there were a few other odd things.
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Speaker 1: Both women were surprised by the unusually high consumption of gas,
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Speaker 1: which seemed far more excessive than it should have been
50:25
Speaker 1: given the length of the trip. The other is an
50:28
Speaker 1: interesting physiological effect, as the investigator Joseph Graziano writes, and
50:35
Speaker 1: I quote, one interesting fact has emerged in subsequent conversations
50:41
Speaker 1: the witnesses said they both seemed to sleep much better
50:43
Speaker 1: now than before the UFO en counter. They say that
50:47
Speaker 1: the slight cases of insomnia that they both had before
50:51
Speaker 1: are now completely gone, and they go to sleep with
50:54
Speaker 1: absolutely no trouble at all now. When it was discovered
50:57
Speaker 1: that the ladies had missing time and might not remember
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Speaker 1: everything that had occurred during their trip, their reaction was
51:05
Speaker 1: not as positive as the researcher Joseph Graziano writes, based
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Speaker 1: on the credibility and lack of UFO knowledge of the witnesses,
51:15
Speaker 1: I feel certain that they did indeed have a close
51:18
Speaker 1: encounter with a UFO that night, and carefully reviewing the
51:22
Speaker 1: distances and time involved in their trip that evening, it
51:25
Speaker 1: also appears that there is still approximately one hour of
51:29
Speaker 1: time not accounted for. The witnesses say that they are
51:33
Speaker 1: not even thinking about what could have happened to this hour,
51:36
Speaker 1: and in fact, they say they want to try and
51:39
Speaker 1: forget the experience completely. In many ways, that is a
51:43
Speaker 1: very typical encounter. People driving on a highway late at
51:47
Speaker 1: night see a UFO. It begins to follow them, follows
51:51
Speaker 1: them all the way home. They rush inside. What's amazing
51:55
Speaker 1: to me is that this missing time was apparently seamless,
51:59
Speaker 1: so if they hadn't looked at the clock, they probably
52:01
Speaker 1: would not have known they even had missing time. Also
52:06
Speaker 1: interesting to me is that they both were cured, apparently
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Speaker 1: of insomnia, because usually we see the opposite effect, people
52:14
Speaker 1: become anxious and have insomnia following the encounter. Not sure
52:19
Speaker 1: what's going on there, but the fact that both witnesses
52:22
Speaker 1: said that they wanted to forget the encounter, to me,
52:26
Speaker 1: that speaks towards why some people do have amnesia in
52:30
Speaker 1: missing time because they don't want to remember. I don't
52:33
Speaker 1: think the ets intend to harm or scare people, and
52:40
Speaker 1: in fact, I've noticed a pattern that's very prominent. When
52:43
Speaker 1: someone has a lot of fear when they're taken on board,
52:47
Speaker 1: almost certainly they will have missing time. And those that
52:50
Speaker 1: react more commonly are much more prone to remember the
52:54
Speaker 1: events that take place. So I think that's another insight
52:59
Speaker 1: into the nature of my time and why it occurs. Now,
53:03
Speaker 1: let's move to the next case, which I call we
53:06
Speaker 1: didn't see anybody. This one occurred one evening in January
53:11
Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty eight, and of all places, Washington, DC.
53:16
Speaker 1: It's hard to think of a less likely place for
53:18
Speaker 1: a UFO encounter because, let's face it, that's a pretty
53:21
Speaker 1: urbanized area, and this case did take place in a
53:25
Speaker 1: heavily populated suburban area. It's a multiple witness case. What
53:31
Speaker 1: I like about this case has a very unusual screen memory.
53:36
Speaker 1: All these cases are unusual, and this next case certainly is.
53:39
Speaker 1: It comes from researcher Bud Hopkins and was published in
53:42
Speaker 1: the September October nineteen ninety issue of the International UFO Journal,
53:47
Speaker 1: published by the Center of UFO Studies. The two witnesses
53:51
Speaker 1: are Kerrie and Ann. Those are pseudonyms, both college students
53:56
Speaker 1: at the American University at Washington, d C. One evening
54:00
Speaker 1: in January nineteen eighty eight, they had attended a party
54:04
Speaker 1: in the suburbs, and around two a m. They decided
54:07
Speaker 1: to head home. Now either horror, they soon came upon
54:10
Speaker 1: a six car accident, a massive pile up in the
54:14
Speaker 1: middle of an intersection. All the vehicles were badly smashed
54:18
Speaker 1: and tumbled together. But the odd part was there was
54:21
Speaker 1: not a single person there. Not only that, there were
54:25
Speaker 1: no police, no ambulances, no paramedics, no traffic of any kind,
54:30
Speaker 1: and everything was eerily quiet. Everything about the situation seemed off.
54:35
Speaker 1: They both recalled slowing down slightly and then driving away
54:38
Speaker 1: without stopping. This also seemed strange to them and would
54:42
Speaker 1: not have been their normal reaction. As one of the witnesses,
54:45
Speaker 1: Carrie said, someone might have been hurt, but we truly
54:49
Speaker 1: didn't see anybody in any of the cars, and the
54:53
Speaker 1: other witness said the whole scene seemed almost dreamlike. Now,
54:57
Speaker 1: Carrie had experienced unusual missing time encounters and UFO dreams
55:02
Speaker 1: as a young kid, and after experiencing this weird incident
55:06
Speaker 1: with the traffic accident, she wondered if it might be
55:09
Speaker 1: a screen memory, and she decided to contact Bud Hopkins,
55:13
Speaker 1: but eventually had both women placed under regressive hypnosis to
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Speaker 1: see if this would provide any clarity. Now, under hypnosis,
55:22
Speaker 1: Carrie did recall coming upon this sixth vehicle wreck. She
55:26
Speaker 1: recalled slowing down the car, and now she recalled stopping
55:30
Speaker 1: the car. This time she recalled several UFO occupants actually
55:34
Speaker 1: approaching the car. She was removed from the car while
55:38
Speaker 1: her friend Anne seemed to fall into a trance and
55:41
Speaker 1: just stare straight ahead. Once outside the car, Carrie could
55:45
Speaker 1: now see that what she had thought was a six
55:48
Speaker 1: car pile up. Now she saw a landed UFO and
55:52
Speaker 1: she was immediately taken on board, As Bud Hopkins says,
55:56
Speaker 1: after a typical examination, she was returned and told what
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Speaker 1: she saw she will remember as a sixth vehicle accident.
56:05
Speaker 1: She got back into the car next to a still
56:07
Speaker 1: staring Anne started the motor and drove off as her
56:11
Speaker 1: friend's normal animation returned. Now, Anne was also placed under
56:16
Speaker 1: hypnosis separately, and she too recalled coming upon the car accident.
56:21
Speaker 1: Anne also coming to a stop, and this is when
56:24
Speaker 1: she seemed to pass out. The next thing she recalled
56:28
Speaker 1: was looking back at this car accident through the rear
56:31
Speaker 1: view mirror. So essentially their recall did match, though Carrie
56:36
Speaker 1: recalled many more details. Now Bud Hopkins points this case
56:40
Speaker 1: out as an example of a screen memory, but unlike
56:43
Speaker 1: most cases which seemed to involve a single witness, both
56:47
Speaker 1: witnesses experienced the same exact screen memory. As Bud writes,
56:53
Speaker 1: this Washington case establishes a major new corollary. Identical screen memories,
56:58
Speaker 1: plausible or outrageous, can be imposed with equal ease upon
57:03
Speaker 1: non abductee witnesses to the same encounter. Now, Bud does
57:07
Speaker 1: state his belief that these screen memories are a way
57:10
Speaker 1: for the ETS to sort of cover their tracks, and
57:13
Speaker 1: in his article he points out other examples of how
57:16
Speaker 1: ets use what he calls deceptive methods. This is the
57:20
Speaker 1: theme of his article, which he titled Abduction and Deception.
57:24
Speaker 1: He also stresses the need to study these accounts scientifically
57:28
Speaker 1: and objectively. And yet conversely, this article is filled with
57:33
Speaker 1: his personal opinions regarding the actions of the UFO occupants.
57:38
Speaker 1: But he does say this, and I quote, we know
57:42
Speaker 1: that they do not seem to be either deliberately hurting
57:44
Speaker 1: us or deliberately helping us. They seem to be neither
57:48
Speaker 1: malevolent nor benign. Now my personal opinion, I don't fully
57:53
Speaker 1: agree with this, because I can add that in my
57:55
Speaker 1: own research, there are quite literally hundreds of cases of
57:58
Speaker 1: ETS deliberately healing people and helping people. So I am
58:02
Speaker 1: a bit surprised to hear him writing this, especially as
58:05
Speaker 1: he himself told me to my face that there are
58:08
Speaker 1: many cases of healings. But to his credit in the article,
58:12
Speaker 1: he also writes, in my fifteen years of abduction research,
58:16
Speaker 1: I have not encountered a shred of evidence that suggests
58:20
Speaker 1: the UFO occupants are innately evil. Again, it is up
58:25
Speaker 1: to each of us to examine the evidence and the
58:27
Speaker 1: facts for ourselves and reach our own conclusions. There you go,
58:32
Speaker 1: another typical case involving missing time. Really interesting to me
58:38
Speaker 1: that both women had the same screen memory, because, as
58:42
Speaker 1: Bud Hopkins says, we rarely see this, so this could
58:45
Speaker 1: be an indication that the ETS are putting this forth.
58:51
Speaker 1: Bud Hopkins, in the article he wrote about this case,
58:53
Speaker 1: takes a pretty dim view of some of the ets' actions.
58:58
Speaker 1: I don't fully agree with everything he says, but again,
59:02
Speaker 1: I'm just presenting the data as we know it. It's
59:05
Speaker 1: up to all of us to determine how we feel
59:08
Speaker 1: about what's going on here. But I found that one
59:11
Speaker 1: a pretty compelling case. Here's a number of cases where
59:14
Speaker 1: one person seems to be the target and the other
59:17
Speaker 1: is put to sleep or put into a state of
59:20
Speaker 1: trance perhaps, and we do see that in this case,
59:24
Speaker 1: but certainly a really excellent example of this whole missing
59:29
Speaker 1: time phenomena. And the lady did go under hypnosis, and
59:33
Speaker 1: of course she did recall being taken on board. Now
59:38
Speaker 1: let's move to the last and final case in this collection,
59:41
Speaker 1: which I call what the hell happened? This occurred one
59:46
Speaker 1: evening in June of twenty thirteen in the small town
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Speaker 1: of Canab, Utah. It's a single witness case. His wife
59:54
Speaker 1: didn't wake up, unfortunately, But this case I wanted to
59:59
Speaker 1: include a because the gentleman described, I think, very vividly
1:00:04
Speaker 1: and in great detail, what it's like to have a
1:00:07
Speaker 1: bedroom visitation, involving gray ets and experiencing missing time with
1:00:13
Speaker 1: vague memories of being taken on board. This final case
1:00:17
Speaker 1: is quite brief, but I think an important case. It
1:00:20
Speaker 1: is an anonymous report from Mufan with the first hand
1:00:24
Speaker 1: eyewitness testimony. I have given the main witness the pseudonym Wyat.
1:00:29
Speaker 1: At the time of his encounter, he worked as a
1:00:31
Speaker 1: manager at the kannab Custom Meets Company. One evening in
1:00:36
Speaker 1: June twenty thirteen, he and his wife had gone to
1:00:39
Speaker 1: bed as normal in their home in Kannab, Utah at
1:00:43
Speaker 1: three Zho five pm. He had awakened to go to
1:00:46
Speaker 1: the bathroom, and returning to bed and starting to fall asleep,
1:00:50
Speaker 1: he had the sudden realization that somebody else was in
1:00:54
Speaker 1: his bedroom. Now he was wondering for a second if
1:00:57
Speaker 1: he was dreaming when he lifted up his head and
1:01:00
Speaker 1: he could now see two or three quote small people
1:01:04
Speaker 1: standing at the foot of the bed and one right
1:01:06
Speaker 1: next to him looking at him and his Wyat says,
1:01:10
Speaker 1: they had control of my mind. I was not afraid.
1:01:13
Speaker 1: I felt like I had experienced this before. I at
1:01:16
Speaker 1: first wondered how they got into the house, and when
1:01:19
Speaker 1: I wondered that they communicated telepathically that opening doors was nothing,
1:01:25
Speaker 1: and almost simultaneously I was elevated and going with them.
1:01:30
Speaker 1: I could not cry out and wondered why my wife
1:01:33
Speaker 1: was sleeping through all of this. She is a light sleeper.
1:01:36
Speaker 1: Then it occurred to me that they were doing everything
1:01:39
Speaker 1: telepathically anyway, and not making a sound. This is where
1:01:43
Speaker 1: my memory stops. I don't know if I physically went
1:01:46
Speaker 1: on a ship with them or not. I do remember
1:01:49
Speaker 1: the wind on my face and being put back into bed.
1:01:53
Speaker 1: I looked at the clock and was four twenty two.
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Speaker 1: I went to sleep. End of story. So you can
1:02:00
Speaker 1: see that why it was missing about one hour and
1:02:02
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, and he was never able to recall what
1:02:05
Speaker 1: happened during this missing time. However, the experience did prompt
1:02:10
Speaker 1: another memory of something similar happening some sixteen years earlier.
1:02:14
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety seven, he was driving a truck for
1:02:18
Speaker 1: knab Meets down a remote Utah road at night when
1:02:23
Speaker 1: he came upon a bright light in the road, and
1:02:25
Speaker 1: he couldn't remember anything other than this, but as why,
1:02:28
Speaker 1: it says, I got home an hour later than normal,
1:02:33
Speaker 1: and I wondered what the hell had happened. I remember
1:02:36
Speaker 1: just a glimpse like being lifted up and such, and
1:02:40
Speaker 1: once again wind in my face. Following this incident, he
1:02:44
Speaker 1: did notice a strange red blemish on the back of
1:02:47
Speaker 1: his hand that hadn't been there prior to this encounter,
1:02:51
Speaker 1: and years later it's still there and remains tender to
1:02:54
Speaker 1: the touch. And while these are the only two accounts
1:02:57
Speaker 1: of missing time that he can consciously RecA he says,
1:03:01
Speaker 1: and I quote, I feel like this has happened several
1:03:04
Speaker 1: times since nineteen ninety seven. Again, in most respects, I
1:03:09
Speaker 1: think that is a typical case of a bedroom visitation
1:03:12
Speaker 1: gray ets missing time. There is physiological effects, of course.
1:03:18
Speaker 1: Interesting to me is that this event sparked earlier memories
1:03:23
Speaker 1: of other missing time encounters, and that he feels that
1:03:27
Speaker 1: this has happened to him on numerous occasions, which is
1:03:31
Speaker 1: certainly the pattern we see with most contactees. It's very
1:03:35
Speaker 1: rarely a one off. But there you go. Eleven cases
1:03:40
Speaker 1: involving missing time amnesia associated with a UFO en counter.
1:03:45
Speaker 1: Still lots of questions surrounding exactly why this happens, who's
1:03:50
Speaker 1: responsible for it? I think, honestly, this is my opinion,
1:03:56
Speaker 1: that's a bit of a two way street. I think
1:03:58
Speaker 1: we ourselves are respectble for remembering what happens to us.
1:04:03
Speaker 1: But when someone chooses not to remember, I think the
1:04:05
Speaker 1: ETS will facilitate that, because again, it's not their intention
1:04:09
Speaker 1: to leave anyone traumatized or scared or anything like this.
1:04:14
Speaker 1: And often we see that in some cases involving missing time,
1:04:18
Speaker 1: the ETS will tell people things like you will remember
1:04:22
Speaker 1: when it's time, or actually the memory will come back
1:04:26
Speaker 1: spontaneously in the days, weeks, months, or even years following
1:04:31
Speaker 1: the encounter, so it's not like the memories are being erased.
1:04:36
Speaker 1: They're there within the person's mind. So there you go.
1:04:40
Speaker 1: I hope you've enjoyed this episode. Eleven cases that I'm
1:04:45
Speaker 1: guessing you haven't heard before. Love finding those obscure cases,
1:04:49
Speaker 1: So thank you, guys. I truly appreciate you watching, and
1:04:52
Speaker 1: until next time, keep asking those hard questions, keep searching
1:04:56
Speaker 1: for the truth most important of all, keep having fun
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Speaker 1: UFOs and the Paranormal sign it Off.