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KILLER SMILE: SURGEON DAZZLES ON DATE APP BEFORE SHOOTING EX-WIFE & NEW HUBBY, RPT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a killer smile. Truer words
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Speaker 1: were never spoken. A surgeon dazzled. He beams this megawot
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Speaker 1: smile on the dating apps just before he travels nearly
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Speaker 1: four hundred miles to gun down his ex wife and
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Speaker 1: her new husband. According to police, I mean's he Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Michael McKee, the vascular sergeant, multiple malepractice
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Speaker 1: and claims against him. Something pushed him over the edge.
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Speaker 1: Both of the tepees or Dead Spencer and Manique.
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Speaker 2: Spencer had been shopped twice money once.
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Speaker 1: The children are orphans who probably will remember the murders
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Speaker 1: of their parents. I watched their wedding video over and
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Speaker 1: over and over preparing for tonight, and as I was
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Speaker 1: watching it looking for anything probative in the video, which
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Speaker 1: I found by the way, I wondered how many times
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Speaker 1: vascular surgeon, doctor Michael McKee went over and over and
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Speaker 1: over that wedding video. They were married and murdered in
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Speaker 1: the same home. Married and murdered in the same home.
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Speaker 1: This as the defendant, the vascular surgeon, awaiting an extradition
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Speaker 1: on multiple accounts that have just been handed down.
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Speaker 3: We uncover his dating apps.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't wait to get a hold of
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Speaker 1: his digital footprint.
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Speaker 3: Now think about it. This is, according to police.
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Speaker 1: He's on these dating apps, pouring out his soul about
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Speaker 1: how he wants to have children, how he loves hot yoga,
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Speaker 1: and then he's watching her. There he is with a
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Speaker 1: slew of lawsuits he's facing, including one guy with an
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Speaker 1: amputid a testicle, another of the catheter.
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Speaker 3: Shards stuck at his leg.
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Speaker 1: He's talking about on the dating apps, how he wants children,
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Speaker 1: how he wants to settle down. Yet he's all alone.
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Speaker 1: I wonder why, looking at her wedding video, how many
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Speaker 1: nights did he hunch over his computer screen watching Monique
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Speaker 1: Joyful in that wedding video, posting photos of her pregnant
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Speaker 1: in front of the Christmas tree, as he drones on
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Speaker 1: dating websites about how he wants children.
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Speaker 3: One day that.
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Speaker 1: Said, now we learn about a silence, sir, Come on,
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Speaker 1: I can't wait for the defense attorney bring it on
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Speaker 1: to tell me this was not premeditated. Do you know
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Speaker 1: how difficult it is to get your mitts on a silencer,
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Speaker 1: or as it is called in the business.
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Speaker 3: A suppressor listen.
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Speaker 4: Michael McKee indicted on four counts of aggravated murder in
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Speaker 4: the deaths of his ex wife, Monique Teppi and her
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Speaker 4: husband's The Indeamond spectifies that the firearm used by McKee
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Speaker 4: was equipped with a muffler or suppressor, commonly called a silencer.
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Speaker 4: McKee also faces an additional charge of aggravated burglary for
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Speaker 4: allegedly breaking into the Teppie home to commit the murders.
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Speaker 1: Joining us an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we are learning tonight That should run a chill
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Speaker 1: down your spine. Common knowledge, common belief is that suppressors
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Speaker 1: silencers are illegal. You can't get one maybe a mobster
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Speaker 1: or a dope lord.
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Speaker 3: That is not true. You can get them legally.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, just recently, a bill was passed.
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Speaker 3: In the middle of the night. In the middle of
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Speaker 3: the night.
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Speaker 1: Now nothing good happens after midnight. Why is a House
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Speaker 1: of Congress passing a bill in the middle of the night.
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Speaker 1: Does that sound sneaky? It does to me because what
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Speaker 1: they did was take away a two hundred dollars surcharge
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Speaker 1: on buying silencers, so now anybody can have them. Including
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Speaker 1: according to police, this brilliant vascular surgeon Michael McKee. Oh
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Speaker 1: excuse me, on the dating websites. He says, call me, Mike.
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Speaker 1: You know what, I'll just call you defendant. Straight out
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Speaker 1: to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, star of Hitting You,
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Speaker 1: podcast series Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. But for
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Speaker 1: my purposes death investigator, what can you tell me about
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Speaker 1: silencers as the vernacular for suppressors.
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Speaker 5: You know, Nancy, one of the fascinating things about suppressors
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Speaker 5: because contrary to what people think, they are not silencers.
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Speaker 5: You cannot knock down in totality a supersonic round that
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Speaker 5: means around that actually travels at the speed of sound
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Speaker 5: or higher. It does knock it down a few decipels.
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Speaker 5: Now here's the interesting thing. When you purchase a suppressor
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Speaker 5: and it's suppressing a sound, right, you have to be
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Speaker 5: registered with the ATF. So the ATF absolutely has record
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Speaker 5: this unless this is something that was either purchased on
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Speaker 5: the black market or something that he built, which people
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Speaker 5: can do these. But here's one of the big keys
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Speaker 5: with this, Nancy it's not only that he's on the
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Speaker 5: radar relative to the suppressor. You have to have a
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Speaker 5: specific weapon platform. That means the handgun. This thing was
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Speaker 5: attached to, Nancy. It's got an external threaded barrel. So
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Speaker 5: if you see someone that takes a suppressor, they have
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Speaker 5: to literally screw it or attach it on. And those
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Speaker 5: weapons are very specific. So from an investigative standpoint, we're
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Speaker 5: talking about connecting the dots here relative to not just
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Speaker 5: the suppressor, but also the pistol itself.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about the fact that suppressor silencer was
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Speaker 1: used in the murders of Monique and Spencer Teppe and
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Speaker 1: to Susan Hendricks, joining US investigative reporter, journalist and author
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Speaker 1: of a bestseller Down the Hill, My Descent into the
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Speaker 1: Double Murder and Delphi, Susan, many people didn't know about
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Speaker 1: the allegation a suppressor was used, which requires a lot
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Speaker 1: of forethought. Right, you've got to match it to your gun,
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Speaker 1: you got to set it up, you've got to get it.
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Speaker 1: Who needs a suppressor? Who needs a silencer? We learned
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Speaker 1: about it in this indictment. Tell me about the indictment.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Nancy, And that's an excellent point. He did plan
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Speaker 2: it out. According to this indictment, charged with four counts
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Speaker 2: of aggravated murder, and three counts of the aggravated murder
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Speaker 2: include exactly that having a silencer, and the fourth one
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Speaker 2: includes just Brandis shan or showing the firearm.
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Speaker 6: It appears he.
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Speaker 2: Planned more of what to do rather than the aftermath
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Speaker 2: of it.
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Speaker 1: We have gotten our mits on the indictment and that
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Speaker 1: is where many people learn that a muffler suppressor silencer
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Speaker 1: was used.
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Speaker 3: You know, I want to go back to Joe Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 1: How does a silencer work for a lay person? If
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Speaker 1: you could break that down, and would a silencer be
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Speaker 1: registered on nibben, the nib N, which is the National
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Speaker 1: Integrated Ballistics Information What could you explain how in lay
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Speaker 1: terms does a silencer work? Don't get technical? And would
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Speaker 1: there be a trace of it? Could it be listed
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Speaker 1: on nibbon?
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Speaker 5: Okay, let's take how this thing works in the first place.
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Speaker 5: It's if you if you think about a silencer as
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Speaker 5: like a can shaped like a can, cylindrical, and you
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Speaker 5: split it down the middle. It's got a series of
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Speaker 5: and there's different forms, but this is the basics. It's
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Speaker 5: got a series of little baffles or fins that are
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Speaker 5: in it. And so just imagine, if you will, that
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Speaker 5: as that round is traveling down that barrel, okay, the
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Speaker 5: sound of it cracking the sound barrier is actually being
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Speaker 5: caught in these little fins, and so when the thing
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Speaker 5: exits the end of the muzzle, you only have almost
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Speaker 5: it is audible, but it is not like if anyone
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Speaker 5: has ever been near a weapon, when it fires, it's
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Speaker 5: not going to sound like a car backfiring. You might
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Speaker 5: hear something that sounds just under the sound of a
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Speaker 5: slamming door. Perhaps of course that's depending upon the way
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Speaker 5: of the door. But as the thing travels down down range,
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Speaker 5: these little baffles inside the cylinder are catching that report,
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Speaker 5: if you will. Now back to nibbing. Nibbing is fascinating
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Speaker 5: because most of the time with nibb and what they're
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Speaker 5: doing is they're looking for questioned ballistic information. So if
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Speaker 5: someone shot at a scene, they're collecting the casings. Remember
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Speaker 5: back in Delphi where we had the casing that had
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Speaker 5: the striations on it, and also they're collecting the actual
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Speaker 5: projectile as well for the scratches on that surface. Now,
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Speaker 5: as far as nibbing, holding suppressor information, I'd probably say not. However,
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Speaker 5: that thing is managed by the ATF and all of
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Speaker 5: these suppressors have to go through our approval has to
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Speaker 5: go through the f APF.
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Speaker 1: Nancy, you know to Dan Murphy joining us, former NYPD
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Speaker 1: detective sergeant, conducted hundreds of interrogations and investigations.
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Speaker 3: Co host of a hit podcast, gold.
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Speaker 1: Shields, and author of workplace Safety, Dan, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. What goes through your mind, just off
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Speaker 1: the top of your head, when you go to a
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Speaker 1: crime scene or you arrest someone and you find on
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Speaker 1: their person a silencer.
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Speaker 6: That person is using it or intending to use it
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Speaker 6: for criminal activity. He wants to mask the sound of
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Speaker 6: the weapon being fired. Now, in this case, we know
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Speaker 6: from the history of the case that there was not
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Speaker 6: much in terms of weaponry heard by people outside. Weapons
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Speaker 6: are very very loud. Handguns are very loud, especially inside
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Speaker 6: and closed spaces. You're talking about one hundred and forty
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Speaker 6: decibels as possible, which is louder than the loudest rock
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Speaker 6: concert you've ever been to, so that sound would alert
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Speaker 6: people on the outside. The presence of a silencer indicates
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Speaker 6: somebody typically wants to use it. In a way that
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Speaker 6: no one would know he had used it. It would
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Speaker 6: not be alerting people outside or in the vicinity.
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Speaker 3: Crime stories. With Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Joining us now veteran trial lawyer, former felony prosecutor, now
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Speaker 1: civil and criminal defense.
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Speaker 3: Attorney, Darryl Cohen, Darryl, thank you for being with us. Darrel.
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Speaker 1: When you were a prosecutor, we would practically dance up
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Speaker 1: and down the halls with glee if we found a
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Speaker 1: silencer on a crime scene. There's nothing good about a silencer,
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Speaker 1: much less if it was in somebody's car and their backpack,
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Speaker 1: hidden in their trunk, or still attached to the weapon
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Speaker 1: at the crime scene. A silencer, there's nothing good about
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Speaker 1: a silencer. I mean, you see people driving around a
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Speaker 1: pickup trucks. They've got their gun proudly displayed on the
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Speaker 1: right behind them, right, But a silencer. Oh no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: you don't advertise that you're using a silence, or there's
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Speaker 1: nothing good about a silencer.
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Speaker 7: Nancy, As a prosecutor, I love silencers. That was an
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Speaker 7: additional witness that was saying the owner of this silencer, muffler, suppressor,
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Speaker 7: whatever you want to call it, is guilty. Thank you,
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Speaker 7: so much because I don't have to worry about giving
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Speaker 7: the it's rights. I don't have to worry about cross examination.
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Speaker 7: It is what it is, and it is a fabulous witness. Absolutely,
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Speaker 7: I loved. It didn't happen often, but when it did,
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Speaker 7: it was terrific.
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Speaker 1: You know, Daryl Cohen, the first time I had a
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Speaker 1: case with a silencer, it was a drug lord and
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Speaker 1: it was this beautiful posh high rise on Peachtree, right
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Speaker 1: on Peachtree, you know, in front of God and everybody.
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Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, the co defendant in
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Speaker 1: that case went on to raid a room, a hotel
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Speaker 1: room with oj Simpson, Charlie the Tuna, Charles Rlik. It
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Speaker 1: was his place. We performed a search and there was
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Speaker 1: a silencer. I never had one in a case. I
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Speaker 1: knew it meant a drug lord. I knew it meant
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Speaker 1: somebody in the mom That's why who use a silencer?
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Speaker 3: And there it was.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it, and it spoke volumes, just as
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Speaker 1: you said, Now put on your defense attorney hat, Why
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Speaker 1: does this vascular surgeon have a silencer?
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Speaker 7: Why, Nancy, I would advise my client if he was
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Speaker 7: my client. KYDVMS keep your damn big mouth shut, because
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Speaker 7: there's no excuse to have a silencer. There's no reason
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Speaker 7: to have a silencer. There's no reasonable explanation to have
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Speaker 7: a silencer, unless, of course, you didn't want people to know,
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Speaker 7: or anyone outside of the immediate target area the crime
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Speaker 7: scene to know what's going on. So that's why as
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Speaker 7: a silencer, if he was my client, I would keep
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Speaker 7: his mouth shut, and I would try to dance around
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Speaker 7: and ignore the silencer. And when the direct evidence came out,
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Speaker 7: the direct questions to law enforcement, I would ask them
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Speaker 7: no questions, because in this case, less is well.
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Speaker 1: Darryl, I thought your first I thought your first move
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Speaker 1: would be to try to have it suppressed. Oh that
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Speaker 1: was an illegal search. Blah blah blah blah, fruit of
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Speaker 1: the poisonous tree, blah blah blah blah. Aren't you going
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Speaker 1: to try to get this thing thrown out so the
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Speaker 1: jury never finds out about it?
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Speaker 3: Of course it's an indictment.
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Speaker 7: But I'm making the assumption that Judge X, whoever is
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Speaker 7: presiding over the trial, is going to say, thank you
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Speaker 7: very much. I appreciate that motion is suppressed, but overruled.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Darryl Cohen in those crime scene photos,
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Speaker 1: the drug lord that had the high rise like five
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Speaker 1: hundred feet down from where Elton John had his high
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Speaker 1: rise on PHG Street.
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Speaker 3: In the crime scene photo, there.
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Speaker 1: Was a suppressor beside a giant deal doo. Okay, and
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Speaker 1: the defense stried really hard to that out, but oh,
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Speaker 1: I had to have it in evidence to show the suppressor, Okay.
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Speaker 1: So that said, the suppressor is going to come in
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Speaker 1: to evidence. And I don't care what you or any
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Speaker 1: other defense attorney tries to do, how many summersaults you
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Speaker 1: turn and cartwheels and.
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Speaker 3: Back bends, it's coming in.
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Speaker 1: She probably heard that muffled sound Joe Scott Morgan was
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Speaker 1: describing as he McKee, according to police, shoots her husband
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Speaker 1: in bed and then shoots her.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's coming into evidence. Listen.
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Speaker 8: Multiple weapons were taken from the property of McKee, and
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Speaker 8: there's a preliminary link from our niven to one of
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Speaker 8: the weapons that ties it to the homicide.
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Speaker 9: Local and Columbus police in and out of McKee's twelfth
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Speaker 9: floor Chicago apartment with boxes of potential evidence, lugging it
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Speaker 9: down to a Columbus PD crime lab. Then in the
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Speaker 9: underground garage residents receive a note authorities will be investigating
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Speaker 9: over several days and they shouldn't be concerned by the
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Speaker 9: officer posted outside McKee's door. Preliminary testing leads them to
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Speaker 9: believe one of those weapons is connected to the Tepees murders.
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Speaker 10: Did you find any other evidence in his home in
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Speaker 10: Lincoln Park?
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Speaker 8: What I can tell you is that we did search
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Speaker 8: his property and we have evidence, but I can't speak
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Speaker 8: to any specific evidents.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Joe Scott Morgan lightning around? First of all, can
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Speaker 1: a silencer?
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Would a silencer have any markings on it from the
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Speaker 1: bullet and vice versa.
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Speaker 5: Not necessarily, it would be benign at best. As a
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Speaker 5: matter of fact, silencers Actually, there's some studies that indicate
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Speaker 5: silencers increase the velocity of the round, if you can
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Speaker 5: imagine that. No, the key to this, Nancy is going
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Speaker 5: to be the internal barrel of this weapon, and Nancy,
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Speaker 5: whatever they found there, they took those weapons immediately. As
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Speaker 5: soon as they got them. They went to the lab
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Speaker 5: and they did preliminary ballistic testing on those weapons. And
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Speaker 5: if he's got multiple calibers and they find let's say,
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Speaker 5: nine millimeter shell, casings at the scene of the murder.
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Speaker 5: They're going to narrow it down to that one weapon,
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Speaker 5: take and fire, and they've got some kind of scientific
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Speaker 5: confirmation in their mind that they've got to match. Here.
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Speaker 3: Hey, let me follow.
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Speaker 1: Up on something that you said that I did not know.
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Speaker 1: You said that silencers in some studies are shown to increase.
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Speaker 3: The velocity the speed of the bullet. Did you say that, Yes,
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Speaker 3: I did, I sure did.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine this? Just keep this saying he gets
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Speaker 1: according to police. Of course, he's at a scent until
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Speaker 1: proven guilty under the law. He according to police, and
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Speaker 1: he's huge now. In fact, when I was doing an
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Speaker 1: online chat the other night when we were covering.
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Speaker 3: Tepee, people asked if he had.
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Speaker 1: Steroided up And I'm going to show them before and
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Speaker 1: after shots in just a moment.
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Speaker 3: But back to.
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Speaker 1: What you just said, Joe Scott, him standing foot of
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Speaker 1: the bed. This is already going to be a close
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Speaker 1: range shot, which is, you know, tears you up, tears
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Speaker 1: your body up. But with a silencer that increases the
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Speaker 1: velocity at close range.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's a possibility that it could. According to
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Speaker 5: the scientific studies that have been conducted, and a lot
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Speaker 5: of that has to do with the compression that's behind
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Speaker 5: is contained within that. Some people refer to them as cans.
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Speaker 5: Contained within that can that is pressing it down range
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Speaker 5: towards your target area. Here's the thing, and I can't
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Speaker 5: get past this, Nancy. He did this because his kids
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Speaker 5: were in the house. That's why he did it. He
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Speaker 5: didn't want to alert them into this.
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Speaker 1: I don't know Joe Scott that he did it to
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Speaker 1: protect the children. If he had any feeling towards the children,
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Speaker 1: he would not have murdered their mother and their father.
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Speaker 1: I think it was so witnesses, like you see how
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Speaker 1: the houses are close together there. Let's see a shot
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Speaker 1: of the neighborhood. There's tall, they're almost like row houses.
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Speaker 1: If he had not had a presser, then I think
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Speaker 1: the next door neighbors would have heard it ringing out
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Speaker 1: at three am. Oh, this video is from our friends
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Speaker 1: at WSYX. Another thing to Dan Murphy and then I'm
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Speaker 1: going to go to Karen start our strength to figure
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Speaker 1: out why he kept all this as a memento. But Dan,
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Speaker 1: we all know that bullets can be traced back to
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Speaker 1: the particular gun.
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Speaker 3: It's like a fingerprint.
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Speaker 1: Each gun has its own markings inside the barrel.
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Speaker 3: How does that happen.
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Speaker 1: That happens because when the gun is manufactured, the metal
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Speaker 1: cools and their little jippy's and droppies in there, and
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Speaker 1: as the bullet hurdles down the barrel at high velocity,
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Speaker 1: it gets striation markings skins on it, and it's called
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Speaker 1: striation markings. That bullet and that gun have a one
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Speaker 1: hundred percent ballistics match. No other gun can leave those
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Speaker 1: particular markings. Scratches striations on a bullet, No other gun
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Speaker 1: like nobody else has your fingerprint, No other gun can
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Speaker 1: do that. But what people don't know is that casings can.
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Speaker 3: Be traced back to a gun as well.
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Speaker 6: How it has to do with the marking made when
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Speaker 6: the bullet is hit, the round itself is struck and
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Speaker 6: that causes the explosion inside the round. So the firing
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Speaker 6: pin leaves a mark that is traceable back to a weapon.
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Speaker 6: It is unique.
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Speaker 3: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Scott.
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Speaker 1: What does that firing pin marking look like on the case.
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Speaker 1: Just tell everyone that's not familiar with ballistics, what is
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Speaker 1: the casing, what is the bullet? And what marking would
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Speaker 1: that firing pin leave on a casing.
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Speaker 5: Okay, So at the base of a case, and you
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Speaker 5: probably can't see this real clearly, there's actually a primer cap.
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Speaker 5: It's a little concentric area right here. Just imagine a
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Speaker 5: bullseye target. Yeah, that's a great image right there, guys.
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Speaker 5: So if you see that little silver area right there,
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Speaker 5: that pen strike that Dan's talking about, that pin strike
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Speaker 5: is unique to that pin as well. Okay, So when
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Speaker 5: that pen is actually milled, as you were referring to it,
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Speaker 5: it strikes that and it's going to leave a very
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Speaker 5: specific marking behind. There's a couple other areas that we
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Speaker 5: look for, if there's any way you can put that
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Speaker 5: image back up. If you see the kind of rim
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Speaker 5: that's around the outer perimeter of that silver bullseye when
21:44
Speaker 5: this run. This is a semi automatic weapon. So when
21:46
Speaker 5: this thing is actually grabbed by the ejector inside of
21:51
Speaker 5: that bullet, inside of the housing, it grabs it and
21:55
Speaker 5: that's an extractor, and then there's an ejector, so it
21:59
Speaker 5: grabs it and that eject that grabbing motion makes an
22:03
Speaker 5: impression on that surface, and the ejector as it's cast out,
22:07
Speaker 5: makes another specific marking. So's there's about three different areas
22:12
Speaker 5: just with the case and alone. I'm glad that Dan
22:14
Speaker 5: brought up the pin strike because most people forget about that,
22:18
Speaker 5: and that's key here. So you've got three points of
22:20
Speaker 5: contact and we're not even talking. We're not even talking
22:23
Speaker 5: about the projectile that they would have recovered either from
22:26
Speaker 5: the bodies or in the adjacent area if it passed
22:28
Speaker 5: through the body.
22:30
Speaker 1: All that planning and all that plotting, driving through the night.
22:36
Speaker 3: According to what we have learned.
22:38
Speaker 1: He had reserved a bed back at the hospital like
22:41
Speaker 1: he was going to sleep there sneaks out travels nearly
22:45
Speaker 1: four hundred miles carrying a gun and a suppressor. He
22:50
Speaker 1: didn't know the case things are directly linked back to
22:58
Speaker 1: the gun.
22:58
Speaker 8: On December thirtieth, twin between five at approximately ten oh
23:01
Speaker 8: four am, Columbus Police patrol officers were dispatched to the
23:05
Speaker 8: fourteen hundred block of North Forth Street on a well
23:08
Speaker 8: being checked. Officers arrived at scene and located the two
23:11
Speaker 8: adult victims suffering from appearing gunshot wounds. We now know
23:15
Speaker 8: that they were identified as mister Spencer Teppe and missus
23:20
Speaker 8: Monique Teppy. Their two small children were also found in
23:23
Speaker 8: the resident physically unharmed. This was a targeted attack. This
23:29
Speaker 8: was a domestic violence related attack. As we know McKee
23:33
Speaker 8: is the ex husband of Monique Teppy. We can say
23:37
Speaker 8: that we have the suspect's vehicle on neighborhood video surveillance,
23:41
Speaker 8: arriving just before the murders and leaving shortly after. Detectives
23:45
Speaker 8: were able to link this vehicle to McKee. The vehicle
23:49
Speaker 8: was located and Rockford, Illinois, and evidence was found that
23:52
Speaker 8: showed McKee in possession of the vehicle before and after.
23:56
Speaker 1: The homicide is building its case against vascular surgeon doctor McKee.
24:06
Speaker 3: How long did he stalk her?
24:09
Speaker 1: She was terrified because he had threatened her life on
24:11
Speaker 1: multiple occasions.
24:13
Speaker 3: When they were married.
24:14
Speaker 1: He brewed and bubbled and simmed and stewed for nearly
24:18
Speaker 1: ten years. The dating app his profile trying hot yoga.
24:26
Speaker 1: Less flexible than I recall, Well, you're flexible enough to
24:29
Speaker 1: break into a basement window, according to police planning trip
24:33
Speaker 1: itineraries using global entry, hopped on an electric motorcycle.
24:39
Speaker 3: Okay, but before.
24:41
Speaker 1: I go to his dating apps where he's positively beaming
24:46
Speaker 1: a million dollars smile, I want to finish up about
24:51
Speaker 1: the ballistics yes, there's more, and a good prosecutor will
24:55
Speaker 1: delve into every.
24:55
Speaker 3: Single thing these bullets can prove.
25:00
Speaker 1: Dan Murphy joining US former NYPD detective Sergeant Star ob
25:05
Speaker 1: Hit podcast gold Shields and author Dan. Don't you just
25:10
Speaker 1: love when a defendant, a suspect is so attached to
25:16
Speaker 1: something about the crime sing that they keep it. It
25:19
Speaker 1: could be I've seen a lot of cases where the
25:22
Speaker 1: killer kept the victim's jewelry, not necessarily to hawcket to
25:28
Speaker 1: get money from it, to pawn it, because it so
25:33
Speaker 1: intimately identifies with the victim, or a driver's license, or
25:37
Speaker 1: a pair of underwear.
25:39
Speaker 3: It could be anything. Have you ever seen that?
25:42
Speaker 1: And I love it because it's so probative, like how
25:45
Speaker 1: would her underwear end up in your sock drawer you
25:49
Speaker 1: don't even know her.
25:50
Speaker 6: I've absolutely seen it, Nancy, many times, and it is
25:53
Speaker 6: really a moment where you just you want to high
25:55
Speaker 6: five yourself, but at your look that this person was
25:58
Speaker 6: so attached to this whatever it presented, whether it's a
26:01
Speaker 6: success in their mind or the fulfillment of.
26:05
Speaker 1: Okay, wait wait wait damn please please please please look
26:07
Speaker 1: at your screen. I know you can't recognize him, but
26:10
Speaker 1: I would know that face anywhere. That's BTK buying, torture killed.
26:14
Speaker 1: That's one of the photos where he dressed up including makeup,
26:19
Speaker 1: a face, and a wig and tied himself up and
26:23
Speaker 1: then took a picture of himself. Right, But talk about
26:26
Speaker 1: keeping mementos. I'm sorry, I just had to direct your
26:29
Speaker 1: attention to that photo.
26:30
Speaker 3: Continue.
26:31
Speaker 6: No, I've never had anyone as bad as him with that,
26:33
Speaker 6: But I have had people hold on to identification. That
26:36
Speaker 6: whole kidnapping crew and murder crew we caught in California
26:39
Speaker 6: that held the identification of every person they ever kidnapped
26:43
Speaker 6: and tortured. So when we rescued.
26:46
Speaker 1: Victims, we oh wait, wait, wait what every person?
26:49
Speaker 3: They kept a memento of every person? Oh, I would
26:53
Speaker 3: have a field.
26:53
Speaker 1: They just lay each driver's license out on the jury rail,
26:58
Speaker 1: just let them sit there and you know, like drink
27:02
Speaker 1: it in for the jury. But why do you think,
27:06
Speaker 1: I'm going to go back to Karen Stark? But why
27:08
Speaker 1: do you think, as a seasoned detective with NYPD, why
27:12
Speaker 1: do they keep them their damning evidence?
27:17
Speaker 6: This guy thinks he's so smart that he's not going
27:19
Speaker 6: to get caught, so he's not worried about evidence. In court,
27:22
Speaker 6: and sometimes very smart people do very stupid things. But
27:26
Speaker 6: in this case, I have a feeling he just liked
27:28
Speaker 6: the gun and he figured I got away with this.
27:30
Speaker 6: Nobody's going to link me to her. We've been divorced
27:32
Speaker 6: for years. He thought he had outsmarted everyone, and he
27:36
Speaker 6: liked that one and it represented triumph over her with me.
27:42
Speaker 1: Is Dan Murphy, former NYPD detective sergeant, conducted hundreds of
27:48
Speaker 1: homicide investigations, author and co host of hit podcast gold Shields. Dan,
27:53
Speaker 1: I want to take what you said and go back
27:55
Speaker 1: to Karen Stark. Karen, I want to talk about this
27:58
Speaker 1: murder weaponl law enforcement had not gotten that gun match,
28:06
Speaker 1: that showcasing match, and there's going to be a bullet match.
28:09
Speaker 1: A bullet found either in the bodies lodge and a
28:12
Speaker 1: mattress lodge, somewhere.
28:13
Speaker 3: In that room, maybe in the wall, maybe under the bed.
28:16
Speaker 3: They've got a bullet, all right, But they used.
28:19
Speaker 1: The casing first to make the match, probably because the
28:22
Speaker 1: bullet was still being fished out of the bodies at
28:26
Speaker 1: the morgue. If we didn't have that match, we may
28:31
Speaker 1: not have very much. But now we've got a ballistics match. Now,
28:37
Speaker 1: why did he keep the gun. Do you think he
28:40
Speaker 1: puts so much love and care into procuring the silencer,
28:47
Speaker 1: matching it with the gun. I wonder if they're going
28:50
Speaker 1: to end up here and start finding him on video
28:53
Speaker 1: at some gun shop or find his order online getting
28:57
Speaker 1: a silencer that will marry to a nine millimeter that
29:03
Speaker 1: he put so much thought in care into that, but
29:05
Speaker 1: it became like his little pet I don't have the
29:08
Speaker 1: right words, you do. And holding it, caressing it, looking
29:14
Speaker 1: at it reminded him of that moment, so he could
29:17
Speaker 1: relive the moment he towered over his ex wife in
29:22
Speaker 1: her bedroom with her new husband, and he could relive
29:25
Speaker 1: the moment he saw the terror on her face as
29:30
Speaker 1: he killed her husband and then turned the gun on her.
29:35
Speaker 3: Why else keep it.
29:36
Speaker 11: Karen, Well, Nancy, you absolutely hit it on the head.
29:42
Speaker 11: This is somebody. First of all, he's a narcissist, so
29:45
Speaker 11: he's not thinking about what if I get caught. He's
29:48
Speaker 11: never going to get caught in his mind. But here
29:51
Speaker 11: it is. He was able to, after all these years
29:55
Speaker 11: building up resentment, threatening her, he was able to keep
29:59
Speaker 11: the symbol that he was successful in getting back at
30:03
Speaker 11: her and killing her, and he could relive it he
30:06
Speaker 11: could see. And if you think about it, this is
30:09
Speaker 11: also a very organized killer. He's not somebody who went
30:13
Speaker 11: in there, didn't know what he was doing and all
30:15
Speaker 11: of a sudden decided, well maybe I'll kill them. He
30:18
Speaker 11: planned the whole thing out, the gun, the silencer, it
30:22
Speaker 11: all shows that this man was meticulous, narcissistic, knew exactly
30:27
Speaker 11: what he was doing, and enjoyed looking at the success
30:31
Speaker 11: his win over this couple.
30:34
Speaker 1: Okay, Karen starrk this is not a pretty picture I'm
30:38
Speaker 1: about to conjure up in your mind. But according to
30:42
Speaker 1: many forensic studies, killers keep mementos for sexual reasons. They
30:49
Speaker 1: will keep a woman's underwear, even her driver's license, her jewelry,
30:54
Speaker 1: even this suppressor, and this gun, which is forever connected
30:59
Speaker 1: to in extra linked to the murders for sex fantasies.
31:06
Speaker 1: I don't get you masturbate with a gun.
31:10
Speaker 11: Well, Nancy, let's think about how a gun is off
31:12
Speaker 11: and used, symbolized right.
31:15
Speaker 3: As being I guess I do. Yeah.
31:19
Speaker 11: And all of the men that you mentioned, all the
31:23
Speaker 11: killers that you mentioned, they used their tokens for sexual gratification.
31:28
Speaker 11: They got off on them. They could look at it
31:31
Speaker 11: over and over again and masturbate to it, just as
31:34
Speaker 11: you said. And I have no doubt because he kept
31:39
Speaker 11: it and held on to it, didn't care if he
31:41
Speaker 11: get caught that he used it the same way. After all,
31:44
Speaker 11: he thought about her for years. He didn't really have
31:47
Speaker 11: another relationship or involvement.
31:50
Speaker 3: She moved on.
31:51
Speaker 11: She was his possession, and now he could look at
31:54
Speaker 11: it and get off on the fact that he had her.
31:58
Speaker 11: He kept her, he killed And here's the proof.
32:04
Speaker 1: Manee and her husband are shot dead. How long did
32:08
Speaker 1: those bodies lie? They're going cold in pools of blood
32:11
Speaker 1: with their children sitting there with mommy and daddy dead
32:16
Speaker 1: for babies in the next room.
32:18
Speaker 3: They're all on one floor.
32:19
Speaker 1: They were screaming their heads off, wailing by their parents
32:23
Speaker 1: dead bodies.
32:26
Speaker 12: In a dating profile on Bumble, McKee refers to himself
32:28
Speaker 12: as Mike, claims to be thirty two, and in the
32:31
Speaker 12: about me section writes lucky to have work I find
32:34
Speaker 12: meaningful and increased free time for new things. Currently trying
32:38
Speaker 12: hot yoga, way less flexible than I recall planning trip
32:41
Speaker 12: b itineraries to finally make use of global entry, and
32:45
Speaker 12: hopped on an electric motorcycle. Haven't died yet he also
32:48
Speaker 12: says he wants children someday.
32:51
Speaker 1: Okay, joining us an all star panel makes sense now
32:53
Speaker 1: of this guy's dating apps straight out to Susan Hendrick's
32:57
Speaker 1: investigative reporter and author.
32:59
Speaker 3: Soon tell me about the dating app.
33:02
Speaker 1: This one is on bumble, but I imagine where there's one,
33:07
Speaker 1: there a million, Like roaches, c one, there's a hundred
33:10
Speaker 1: of them hiding behind the wall. Guarantee he's on another
33:14
Speaker 1: one I haven't uncovered yet. Tell me about his dating app.
33:17
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that all lines I believe with who he
33:20
Speaker 2: pretended to be and who he really was. At first
33:23
Speaker 2: I did a double take, thinking is that the same guy?
33:25
Speaker 2: He looks completely different, all of these hobbies I'd like
33:29
Speaker 2: to travel, kind of trying to lure women into this
33:32
Speaker 2: a facade on who he was. But he looks very
33:36
Speaker 2: different to me. And I bet if Monique saw this,
33:38
Speaker 2: she would think that's not the person I'm that I'm married,
33:42
Speaker 2: And she did tell her close friends and relatives that
33:45
Speaker 2: she was afraid of them. But there he is on
33:46
Speaker 2: the dating app. I like to travel, like you said, Nancy,
33:49
Speaker 2: hot yoga, it's all bs.
33:52
Speaker 1: The last thing I want to think about is comparing
33:56
Speaker 1: that whole king frame of his alleged lumbering down the
34:02
Speaker 1: alley behind Manique and Spencer's home with him and a
34:06
Speaker 1: pair of those little shorts that guys wear and hot
34:11
Speaker 1: yo gay. I don't even want to think about that now.
34:15
Speaker 1: In the dating profile, it paints McKee as a.
34:19
Speaker 3: Young thirty two year old surgeon.
34:21
Speaker 1: Lie and it's full of details aimed at women to
34:28
Speaker 1: interest them six' to. Two maybe he is beaming in
34:35
Speaker 1: the photographs showing off his ten suggesting a real outdoorsman
34:42
Speaker 1: wearing a lilac sweater over a white button down posing
34:48
Speaker 1: for some reason with the kid's lunchbox which shows the
34:52
Speaker 1: Name mike and a. DINOSAUR i guess that's because He's
34:56
Speaker 1: michael and asks people to call Him. Mike meaningful were
35:02
Speaker 1: increased free time for new things i.
35:04
Speaker 3: E you, hot, yoga less?
35:08
Speaker 1: Flexible, well you know, what according to what we're, learning
35:12
Speaker 1: he climbed in the half window of a basement at ground,
35:16
Speaker 1: level suggests foreign, travel global. Entry you don't do have
35:21
Speaker 1: global entry to go From georgia To florida and likes
35:25
Speaker 1: to ride a. Motorcycle does he actually think that's? Macho you,
35:28
Speaker 1: Know Susan hendricks do you know what police call motorcycle
35:35
Speaker 1: drivers future organ. Donors so a lot of women may
35:41
Speaker 1: not find that dashing and. Exciting he goes on and
35:44
Speaker 1: says a pro of dating him as, Quote.
35:47
Speaker 3: I've perfected the chocolate chip. Cookie what is he? Doing Karen?
35:54
Speaker 1: Stark help me, NOW i promise YOU i saw THAT
35:59
Speaker 1: i would be attracted to the chocolate chip cookie Part Karen.
36:01
Speaker 1: Stark he lists, art, design, basketball, football skiing, location said As,
36:08
Speaker 1: la that's not where he.
36:10
Speaker 3: Was it's two truth and a.
36:13
Speaker 1: Lie i've cycled too from that's what he, Said pacific
36:17
Speaker 1: to The, atlantic went eight full seconds on rodeo and
36:21
Speaker 1: drink water When i'm. Thirsty, okay help me, Out Kieren.
36:25
Speaker 1: Stark all of this is a big. Lie can you
36:27
Speaker 1: imagine the unsuspected women that may have signed up to
36:31
Speaker 1: meet this, guy an alleged double.
36:33
Speaker 11: Killer i'm telling, You, nancy if you interview a lot
36:38
Speaker 11: of women who go on dating, apps they have to
36:40
Speaker 11: be very careful and they know it just because of
36:43
Speaker 11: guys like. Him you would, think if you read, this
36:46
Speaker 11: maybe he's a lonely man and he's really looking for
36:49
Speaker 11: companionship and building up his. Ego but the truth is
36:54
Speaker 11: that is not who he. Is he's a man who
36:56
Speaker 11: has wanted revenge for. Years he doesn't want to start new.
37:00
Speaker 11: Life he wants to get revenge on the ex. Wife
37:04
Speaker 11: and this is all about building him, up but has
37:07
Speaker 11: nothing to do with being lonely or ranting another. Person
37:11
Speaker 11: and you could see it from all the lives he.
37:13
Speaker 11: Created this isn't. Him this is his image of.
37:17
Speaker 1: Him in his dating, app he talks about how he wants,
37:21
Speaker 1: children but he's. Alone he's running from multiple, lawsuits including
37:27
Speaker 1: one guy who had to have his testicle, amputated another
37:30
Speaker 1: guy claiming he had a part of a cather stuck
37:34
Speaker 1: in his less chard stuck in his leg out after.
37:38
Speaker 1: Surgery so he's, alone running from, lawsuits running from process,
37:45
Speaker 1: servers and he watches this over and over.
37:51
Speaker 2: Look from day, ONE i knew you were something.
37:54
Speaker 10: SPECIAL i had quite a journey to get to, you
37:57
Speaker 10: countless bad bumble, dates, relationships and waterfalls of, tears but
38:04
Speaker 10: it was worth every cringing second because.
38:06
Speaker 6: It led me to.
38:07
Speaker 10: You throughout all of, THIS i knew That god was
38:12
Speaker 10: guiding me to my person and that WHEN i met
38:16
Speaker 10: him it would be the most magical thing. Ever and,
38:21
Speaker 10: boy is that an. UNDERSTATEMENT i finally found my, lobster
38:26
Speaker 10: and it honestly couldn't be a person.
38:29
Speaker 6: With a more beautiful.
38:30
Speaker 10: HEART i will love you forever And i'm so lucky
38:33
Speaker 10: to be Missus.
38:34
Speaker 1: Teppy how many Times Darryl cohen will his digital footprint
38:40
Speaker 1: show me you're the Ved on trial?
38:41
Speaker 3: Lawyer if he looked at? That even WHAT i get
38:47
Speaker 3: to play it in front of the.
38:48
Speaker 7: Jury that's all we, Need, Nancy that's all a prosecutor. Needs,
38:52
Speaker 7: actually less is more in this, case one time only
38:56
Speaker 7: oto they got. It the, jury if it goes that,
39:00
Speaker 7: far will have, it and the jury will have everything
39:04
Speaker 7: else and piece by. Piece and you.
39:07
Speaker 1: Know, What, darryl if a portion of the wedding video is,
39:11
Speaker 1: played then the jury has a right to look at
39:14
Speaker 1: the whole, thing because you can't selectively take bits and, pieces,
39:18
Speaker 1: Right so that gives me an evidentiary basis to put
39:21
Speaker 1: in the whole wedding.
39:22
Speaker 7: Video and what are we going to? See a motive or?
39:26
Speaker 7: Murder a motive to destroy his ex, wife to destroy
39:32
Speaker 7: her husband and at the same time destroying their.
39:36
Speaker 13: Kids Dear, MOMO i feel so lucky to be up
39:44
Speaker 13: here with you. Today you've grown to become my best.
39:46
Speaker 13: Friend and together we're surrounded by friends and family who
39:51
Speaker 13: are fortunate to be able to say the.
39:52
Speaker 3: Same we're so.
39:54
Speaker 13: Lucky our support system is, immense and you Embracing larry
39:59
Speaker 13: AND i group of friends in my loud family like
40:03
Speaker 13: you have means the. WORLD i vow to support, you
40:06
Speaker 13: to believe in, you and to encourage. YOU i vow
40:10
Speaker 13: to provide for. YOU i vowed to never stop loving
40:13
Speaker 13: you and to always keep working on. Us and, LASTLY
40:17
Speaker 13: i vowed to do my best to always keep making
40:20
Speaker 13: you laugh because your smile is my favorite. THING i love.
40:24
Speaker 1: YOU i Mean Darryl, cohen you, said put that up
40:28
Speaker 1: his motive while he's putting on, BUMBLE i want, Children
40:32
Speaker 1: and he's sitting alone eating HIS tv, dinner hunched over
40:34
Speaker 1: one of those.
40:35
Speaker 3: Trays can you even imagine?
40:37
Speaker 1: That and he sees this That Spencer teppie on his wedding,
40:42
Speaker 1: Day spencer And manique murder in the same home in
40:46
Speaker 1: which they were, married and that wedding video which was
40:49
Speaker 1: online shows you various parts of their home that he
40:54
Speaker 1: could figure out from.
40:57
Speaker 3: This he could figure out the layout of the.
40:59
Speaker 1: Home, darryl what about When monique said she was saying
41:03
Speaker 1: that she Compared spencer to countless bad bumble. Dates bumble,
41:10
Speaker 1: really And i've got his bumble.
41:11
Speaker 3: Profile wrong.
41:13
Speaker 1: Relationships, GEE i wonder who she's talking.
41:15
Speaker 3: About wonderfuls of.
41:17
Speaker 1: Tears it was worth every cringing second because it led
41:22
Speaker 1: me to. You so has he McKee figured out that
41:26
Speaker 1: he's the cringe and he's got to look At, spencer
41:29
Speaker 1: who now has quote his Woman.
41:32
Speaker 7: NANCY i don't think there's any question he figured that out.
41:35
Speaker 7: Easily and if he hadn't figured it, out it really wouldn't.
41:38
Speaker 7: Matter he saw the video of her, wedding not to,
41:42
Speaker 7: him but to the person who followed him after their contentious,
41:47
Speaker 7: divorce after their horrible, marriage but none of it was his.
41:51
Speaker 7: Fault all of it was, hers and he had an
41:55
Speaker 7: obsession with. Her and IF i can't have, you no
41:58
Speaker 7: one else. Will AND i promise you, That and not
42:02
Speaker 7: only will no one else have, you But i'm going
42:05
Speaker 7: to get take care of destroy this other person WHO
42:10
Speaker 7: i have seen in the. Video, oh we have so.
42:13
Speaker 7: Much as a defense, LAWYER i wouldn't touch him with
42:17
Speaker 7: a thousand foot. Pole he's. Nuclear he is absolutely the.
42:21
Speaker 7: Worst but the good thing is Hey Dave, MATT i
42:25
Speaker 7: want to follow up on What Darryl cohen trial lawyer is,
42:29
Speaker 7: saying speaking of.
42:31
Speaker 1: IF i can't have, you no one. Will that whole,
42:34
Speaker 1: mentality isn't it? True Dave Matt Crime stories investigative reporter
42:38
Speaker 1: that in various missives written missives from McKee To, manique
42:45
Speaker 1: and this is after their, divorce after they, separate he
42:49
Speaker 1: refers to her as his.
42:50
Speaker 14: Wife he continued to do, That, nancy to continue to
42:54
Speaker 14: put his arms out there and say you're. Mine, yeah
42:57
Speaker 14: we're divorced and you're moving, on but you are. MIND
43:00
Speaker 14: i could not believe that he was still pushing that
43:04
Speaker 14: in everything that he. Had you put that in, Writing,
43:06
Speaker 14: nancy and you're stamping. It it's different than just saying
43:10
Speaker 14: it out. Loud he, wrote you're you're my.
43:13
Speaker 3: Wife after the.
43:16
Speaker 1: Breakup hey, GUYS i got to show you one more.
43:17
Speaker 1: Thing the video we pulled after the live CHAT i
43:22
Speaker 1: was doing the other night during our program someone named
43:28
Speaker 1: at R O t t r U.
43:31
Speaker 3: Ai notice. This notice the pull to the.
43:36
Speaker 1: Right, Okay And we've seen a lot of very distinctive,
43:42
Speaker 1: gates And i've used them in prosecution's best example in
43:46
Speaker 1: a bank robbery where a guy was slew, footed but
43:50
Speaker 1: he the viewer was right and noticed it.
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Speaker 3: First see a pull to the, right pull to the,
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Speaker 3: right pull to the. Right that's going to come in as.
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Speaker 1: Evidence and you know another THING i, Noticed Susan, Hendrix,
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Speaker 1: oh that video is from our friends AT. Wbns this
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Speaker 1: guy McKee no. Idiot he started being on the front
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Speaker 1: page of the paper in the first grade for winning
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Speaker 1: an academic, honor then a presentation to The secretary Of.
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Speaker 1: State then he went on to play varsity. Football he
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Speaker 1: was in the top, five not five, percent but the
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Speaker 1: top five in his. CLASS i, mean this guy is super, smart.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely AND i spoke to a guy who played football
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Speaker 2: with him in high school and talked to him on the.
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Speaker 2: Phone he didn't want to be, named but he said
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Speaker 2: that McKee's adoptive parents he was, adopted were very. Nice
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Speaker 2: he was to himself though very. Quiet doesn't remember him
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Speaker 2: dating at, all kind of to, himself of. Course they were.
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Speaker 2: Shocked but, smart highly. Intelligent he did say that several,
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Speaker 2: times but really kind of a a. Loner it stood out.
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Speaker 1: To, Me, well he's making headlines. Again as we go
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Speaker 1: to air. Tonight he is en route back to home.
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Speaker 1: Turf the extradition process is happening to answer up on
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Speaker 1: multiple felony. Charges the case is still being built by
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Speaker 1: both the state and the. Defense if you know or
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Speaker 1: think you know, anything please dial six one four, six
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Speaker 1: four five two two two eight six one four six
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Speaker 1: four five two two two Eight McKee.
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Speaker 3: Innocent until proven.
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Speaker 1: Guilty Nancy gray signing, off goodbye, friend