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Family's Fight for Truth in a Tainted Investigation · Surviving-ISH Podcast

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: 31-year-old Joshua Daniel Pacheco was murdered on October 19, 2016.
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: The murder was caught on a recorder, but the wrong man was arrested and served eight months in jail for a crime he didn't commit.
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: Here today is Jesse Riley, who is the voice of The Voiceless, and she is going to spend some time with us talking about Joshua's case.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: Jesse, we've talked 15-20 minutes before we hit record and we've already laughed and cried, So it's definitely going to be one of those episodes.
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: but I follow you on TikTok and I love TikTok.
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: It's such a cool place to go to to watch something funny and escape, but, like you said, it's also a place and a platform for people to give a voice to The Voiceless and to help keep those things and topics alive and fresh.
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: So thank you so much for being here today.
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: Will you tell us a little bit about you?
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: My name is Jesse.
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: I'm from Northern California and I'm between homeschooling my kids of seven years.
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: I work my brother's homicide case.
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: I do clean houses here and there.
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: I am thankful that I am allowed to stay home and homeschool and work my brother's homicide case.
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: I've just been the voice of The Voiceless for about.
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: It's actually going on five years now, like this December will be five years, josh has been gone.
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: It'll be seven years in October.
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a crazy true crime nightmare.
• 2:08
  Speaker 2: That's what I call it.
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, With the topics that I cover.
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: I watch a lot of documentaries and watching your TikToks, learning about you texting with you some and some of the information that you sent me.
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what my thought was is this is a true crime nightmare and she's living it.
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: It's what so many people watch for entertainment on television and you're the real life version of it.
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: I know it's hard to talk about it and rehash things but, like we were talking about before recording, we have to keep this fresh.
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: We have to find that justice.
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: I know that there may be things you can or cannot say because of open cases or whatever situation you're in, So I'm going to let you drive the car and you start wherever you want to start to tell us the story.
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: Like most people, Josh was human and he was not a perfect person and he did have his vices.
• 3:09
  Speaker 2: I ask everyone is shooting somebody eight times self-defense?
• 3:15
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: Especially, My brother was a good guy and he wasn't a mean person and he loved his family, He loved his kids.
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: He was just in a bad situation and he was trying to leave.
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: And when you're like I said, he wasn't a bad person but he was human And the relationship that he was in with his girlfriend at the time of his homicide it was toxic.
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: They were both toxic to each other And there was domestic violence on both sides.
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: But the thing was I used to go around with my brother and the only time he would get back to me is if I did it first.
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: We were kids and he has always been like that.
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: You have to be really in his space and I'm trying really hard to leave And Josh was leaving.
• 4:11
  Speaker 2: Josh left his girlfriend that he was with for a year and a half, So the house where he was murdered is the house that he had lived in for over a year And so he'd only been gone for maybe two or three weeks before this homicide happened.
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: That's the most dangerous time for somebody that's trying to get out of a toxic relationship is when they're trying to get out.
• 4:32
  Speaker 2: And Josh didn't make it.
• 4:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you?
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: hear that all the time with women and they call it an escape plan.
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: I had a doctor, Dr Hotty, who wrote a book called The Escape Plan, And she made that exact comment.
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: What you just said is so important that it's also a dangerous time for men too.
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that I'm following correctly The house where this happened.
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: He had already left, moved out, because he was living there with her right.
• 5:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, his stuff was still there.
• 5:04
  Speaker 2: Where he was found was his tool shed, and so he had stuff there still.
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: It had only been a couple of weeks.
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: But he was trying to keep his distance.
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: Have that separation, build that wall, the boundary.
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: And so there was a lot of chatter between everybody that she would call him, invite him over to the house, and sometimes he would take the bait.
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: So a little fun fact about all of this situation we didn't find out until later.
• 5:31
  Speaker 2: My brother's girlfriend was pregnant at the time of this homicide And so I think the reason for her telling him to come over and him actually going there was because even though they were toxic, he still thought that there was that love there, and so there was chatter that he was going over there And supposedly it was like sneaking around.
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: But Josh's girlfriend would tell the neighbors in the week or two before Josh's homicide, if you see Josh call the cops, but yet she was like turning right back around and saying, hey, josh, come over and do this.
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: So she was setting up a ruse.
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: She was setting up that backstory.
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: So if the neighbors saw Josh running around that he was prowling, but she was the one calling him over And there was actually a letter that was found in his truck that was used at Josh's girlfriend's ex-husband's trial And I have her testimony here And she in these court documents.
• 6:33
  Speaker 2: You can tell that there's a little bit of a narrative that she was setting him up And they didn't pick this up Like.
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: I can read this and tell you right now that it looks like somebody was setting somebody up just by the way she was talking.
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: So my brother was gone and he was either talked into going over to that house or went over there willingly.
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: It was 6 AM, so the first shots rang out at 5.45 in the morning.
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: But who does it be?
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: an E And someone's house at 5 in the morning And that's what it was.
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: That's what it was.
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: The narrative was The BNE gone wrong.
• 7:11
  Speaker 2: And then they had to come out the next day and say a 31-year-old man was shot and killed on Wednesday morning.
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: Was not a burglar, according to Tama County deputies that were called to that scene.
• 7:24
  Speaker 2: But the narrative was already out.
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: The BNE story was already out And they had already looked into Josh's records from 2003,.
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: But not the person.
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: Don't look into the records of the person that confessed to a homicide.
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: We're going to drag the dead guy through the ringer.
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: And so that narrative was put out really fast.
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: Then they had to change it.
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: Josh's girlfriend's ex-husband took the rap.
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: He raised his hand and was like I did this.
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: I shot him eight times because he just kept getting back up.
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: So he's the man that spent the eight months in prison from a man.
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, josh's girlfriend's ex-husband moved himself into the situation at Josh and his girlfriend's house after Josh left.
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: Instead of taking his daughter out of a horrible situation and removing himself and his daughter from that situation, he moves himself into a toxic situation And then all of this stuff happens and then he confesses to a homicide.
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: So he moved into the house.
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, within the week When.
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: Josh left Okay.
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And she said it was for protection.
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: but my brother pretty much stayed away.
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: There was only a few times that he went over there and one of the times was when he was murdered.
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: It is happening at 15, 20 till 6 in the morning.
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: Most people are, maybe some are up getting ready for work or school, but either way that's usually a quiet time.
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: So you're going to hear those gunshots.
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: So were neighbors, were their neighbors that witnessed anything before the gunshots, or did the gunshots happen?
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: And then were the neighbors, like she did, tell us that she's scared of this man.
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the only neighbor that saw anything was her cousin, her cousin.
• 9:11
  Speaker 2: So her cousin lived across the street from her house and then right next door to her was her aunt, and that is the retired under-sheriffs baby's mom, anyways.
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: So the cousin is the only one that saw anything, supposedly, and she said that it was only Corey and Josh in the yard.
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: And there was no yelling, there was no screaming.
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: Supposedly Josh Corey said get off the property.
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: Josh laughed And the next thing she heard was two gunshots, boom, and like fast, fast, and then another like maybe seven, six, seven shots in a quick burst after that, and then she was.
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: There was nobody else in the yard.
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: Nobody else saw anything except for her because she was out on her porch smoking supposedly.
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: But that's really convenient.
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: The only witness, the only eye witness to a homicide is her cousin, and so, yeah, josh's girlfriend's ex-husband.
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: His name is Corey Leffler.
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: He took the rap for this homicide and he was acquitted of homicide in 23 minutes.
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people out there that are like, since this person was acquitted of homicide, there's nothing else that we can do, especially one of the detectives.
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: His name is Charles Dada.
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: He just recently told me that, as a retired peace officer, he owes me fucking nothing, and those were his exact words, the effing part too.
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: But they're all connected, like all these detectives the aunt that lived next door, the cousin that lived across the street.
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: They're all connected in this Murdoch 2.0 little corruption web and the sense of immunity, impunity and the sense of invincibility that surrounds these people in Northern California is the reason why Josh's girlfriend, in this recording, before she unloads her weapon, is saying that her uncle runs the politics and that he'd get her off and it would be self-defense, and her ex-husband takes the rap.
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: His statements are inconsistent with Josh's homicide.
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: Usually when you're confessing to a homicide, willingly, your statements are going to match the person that you just homicided and there's not going to be any deviations because you were there and you know what happened And, like I said, the ex-husband said Josh just kept getting back up.
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: But Mark Super, the forensic pathologist, begged to differ.
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: Josh was shot multiple times, eight times to be exact But the first two did a lot of damage.
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: But the significant damage to the first and second shot was impact fracture of C6 and impact fracture of C7.
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: So Josh would have been paralyzed after the first and second shot and there was no need to shoot him seven, eight more times.
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: He had impact fracture of C6 and fracture of the C7, instant dropped And the whole self-defense claim by the ex-husband should have went out the window before it even got to trial.
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: Really, when, like I say, when you're confessing to a homicide that you willingly, that you're willingly confessing to, your statements are going to match And that should have been roadblock.
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: Go back to the drawing board.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe we should check out other people.
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, no gunpowder residue testing was done at all on anyone, not even Josh.
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: Were the cousin and the girlfriend and the ex-boyfriend?
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: were they all separated and questioned separately, or were they?
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: I do not know, okay.
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: So the only two people that were taken down to the station were the person that confessed and an unidentified female.
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: So nobody else was taken down to the station.
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: Leffler and a woman were transported to the sheriff's department in Red Bluff, where the two were interviewed by detectives.
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: So why isn't the cousin being taken?
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: There should have been three people going down to.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of things going on in this case that just don't make sense.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: There should have been three people that went down to and their names.
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you put their names?
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming, when they say unidentified, they're talking about the girlfriend.
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know why they put unidentified woman?
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: She was identified.
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: You all know exactly who she is.
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: And we still don't understand why they say unidentified woman.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: So Was she?
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: because I think at one point you said there is connections between the family that live next door and across the street to the police in this town.
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the sheriff's department.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, And so were any of the police that came to the scene.
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: did they know who She or they were immediately?
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: Of course her uncle is a retired undershare, but he was undershare for 37 years.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: He just recently was voted out of the board of supervisors on June 15th of last year but sat on the board of supervisors for 10 years.
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: Like I told you in an email, our Victims Witness Advocate, jeff, has told my mother and I to our faces that this person, dennis Garten, is part of the Goodle Boy regime And he laughed.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: He knew exactly.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: They all know.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: They all know and either they're with them or they're not going to go against them.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: Just by the way he said it, my mom and I were so just taken back, we were so gaslit that day and it hurt because I'm legitimately trying to bring evidence to the district attorney and the Victims Witness Advocate and that's what they're saying In the same breath.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: That same victim with Victims Witness Advocate was like can you even get gunpowder residue off of a rifle?
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: And the district attorney just if you could just tell he wanted to strangle that Victims Witness Advocate for saying that, because that is not something you say to a homicide victim's sister or mother Can you even get gunpowder residue off of a rifle?
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Last time I checked, it fires bullets with gunpowder.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: Because that was not done.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: And there's a reason why it wasn't done because it would have proven that the ex-husband probably had trace amounts of gunpowder on his hands.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: But the girlfriend, she would have been tested here and on her hands It would have been very apparent who had fired that weapon that morning.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: And I have two people, one that doesn't know the other person, but they're both saying one has firsthand knowledge of Josh's girlfriend saying that she was the one with the weapon in her hand when the cop showed up.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: And then I have an eyewitness that was there that lived behind where the Josh's murder happened.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: And the whole time that they're bringing the supposed shooter to the car, there's three cops and the one cops bringing Corey back to the car, but there's another cop in front of the house screaming at somebody to drop the weapon.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Three different times they were like drop the weapon.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: And so their story and the family friend's story, joe.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: So Josh's girlfriend was the one with the gun in her hand when the cop showed up, but yet she wasn't handcuffed by from what the witness said that lived behind the scene.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: So behind the scene's witness saw the police walking the ex-boyfriend to the car.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: At the same time another police is saying drop the weapon, drop the weapon.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: So there had to be, but they didn't see who was holding the weapon.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: They just knew it had to be obviously not him.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: They had a spotlight on the front of the porch So they knew they could see who had the weapon.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: This eyewitness was from behind but she could see this way, looking like they were.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: The cops were facing her way, so she couldn't see who was on the porch, but she could see that the police had the whole the porch lit up and was yelling at somebody to drop the weapon.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Three times And then.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: So what happened with that statement Was it just swept under the rug.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and what she said.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I actually have a letter from her and she said if I would have been asked by the district attorney about this stuff, i would have said but she's, they didn't.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: They wanted me to say that Corey had the weapon And she's, i repeatedly told him, told the district attorney, that he didn't.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: The whole time that he was in the yard He did not have a weapon in his hand.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: She says it's insane.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: This lady's name is Elena And she said I was not called by the DA to testify, i was called by the defense.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I was never asked about all of this on the stand, so I never testified to this.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: But I would have if I, if somebody would have asked treasure trove of a letter, yeah, but she's.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: At no point Did Corey have a weapon.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: She was like it was one of the one of the people that were on the porch that morning, yeah, and she also said that it took.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: So I have this little another bomb shell.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: So I am all over the place.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: But we're following, we're good.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: It took the sheriff's department.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: So this happened, This homicide happened.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: The first shots ring out of 545 or 558.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: And the first 911 call came in at 6am from somebody in the neighborhood.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: The person that confessed to this homicide did not call until 6, 12.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: And then it took another 45 minutes for the sheriff's to arrive to that house.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: From the sheriff's department to Gerber, California is a 13 minute drive.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: So if you have code three, lights and sirens, you're going to be at that homicide scene in less than 13 minutes from the sheriff's department to Gerber, because it's a 13 minute drive on a Sunday.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: So it took them forever.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: It took them forever to get to the scene.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: And then it was like, yeah, 30 minutes It took for Ellie to get there And she says it took another 45 minutes for the emergency services to get there.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: And she's like, when they arrived they did nothing.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: They had no compassion for Josh And they were in no hurry.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: They were very disrespectful in their treatment of Josh.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: So she told me that they rolled him over, grabbed his shirt, lifted him up into a sitting position, cut his shirt and just let him fall back onto himself, back onto the ground, And so she had to.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Hey, you need to be more respectful towards the person that's laying on the ground, Josh.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: And he already passed at this time, or was there OK?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was pronounced on scene And it took them forever to get there.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Then when they get there, they don't let the district attorney investigators on scene for another 45 minutes.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: So the district attorney, when we got to trial and the first time he got a detective on the stand that was one of the things And he was not happy about the fact that his department was held off scene for 45 minutes after Josh was pronounced And he asked why.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: And that detective could not recall.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: That's all he could say was like I don't recall.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I don't recall, but in the 12 minutes it took Corey to call, there was covering up going on And then when the sheriff's got there to when the district attorney was able to come onto the scene, there was also some impediment going on too.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: And I do believe that my brother's body was out near the road, not near his tool shed, not near the house, because where his body is depicted is 25 feet away from the house.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: This is not a breaking and entering situation.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: No blood of Josh's was in that house whatsoever.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: He was shot outside in the back, then in the chest when he was on the ground paralyzed.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: This is not a B&E situation And that's what it was labeled as And that's the narrative that was put out to the public.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: But the B&E story goes out the window when that forensic pathologist is saying that he's paralyzed from the neck down And the investigators.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: This is insane.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: So I have documents that say that they stripped Josh naked on scene, which I could see the EMTs doing taking off his shirt, putting on the pads to see if they could try to revive him.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: But they stripped Josh naked And he went to the coroner's office with no clothes on, like the medical examiner even states in his autopsy report that there were no clothes to examine.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: So the forensic pathologist had none of Josh's clothes to examine.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Why Did he ever examine those clothes?
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Why were they taken off?
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: And Josh I do think Josh was shot at very close range, less than four feet and multiple times in the back at least three.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: So I've always said two, but there's actually three.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: There's three exit wounds to the front of him.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: And what the coroner said was he noted that there was no clothes to take off or examine.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: And in this report right here it says that we elected to remove the decedent's clothing on scene.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Who does that?
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Have you ever watched a crime scene show like First 48 or any of the actual, real homicide shows, like when have you ever seen homicide detectives or the coroner stripping somebody's clothes on scene, unless they are already taken off by the medical people that are there to try to revive them?
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Like you said, you can maybe understand if it's a T-shirt or something, cutting the shirt to get that chest exposure and to try to resuscitate or whatever.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: But so did they ever put the clothes in for and invest at what?
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Did it ever become evidence Or did they just disappear?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: So they were never shown at trial.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Those clothes were never brought up again And when we asked what happened to his clothes 30 days after a trial of an acquittal, they told us that they incinerated Josh's clothes because they were so bloody that we wouldn't have wanted them.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Basically, the way they said it was like we were doing you a favor And my mom was like don't do it, Jesse, Don't do it, Don't go full redhead on these people.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Here's another thing.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: So once a coroner as a detective, you cannot roll a body over, You cannot touch anything on the crime scene until the coroner gets there.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: So the coroner gets there And I'm going to read this to you because he says he noted that my brother was laying face down in the yard And they said Josh's clothes were so bloody that they incinerated them.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a minute.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: But I could note a person laying face down in the yard.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I saw when deputies were allowed medical into the area.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: They turned the body over and pronounced him on scene.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I stayed in the area for the next two hours assisting to secure the crime scene.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Then I left.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: What is a coroner doing leaving his scene?
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Why is a deputy coroner leaving his scene and then left the area while detectives arrived and began to process the evidence That you're a coroner.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: You're supposed to be helping them process that evidence.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Why are you leaving?
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Why is this person leaving?
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: He said when I returned, I insisted, investigators and we elected to remove the decedent's clothing at the scene.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: So that's in his narrative that they removed his clothes on scene.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: And then I have the forensic pathologist.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: The first thing that we documented.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: We looked at all the things that were about the body.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: This particular decedent did not have any clothes, So we did not have any clothes to look out or remove.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: So the coroner's leaving the scene.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Josh is stripped naked.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: The medical examiner should have that's a massive piece of the puzzle is a homicide victim's clothing, And so this forensic pathologist didn't have any clothing of Josh's to go over.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of things.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: This investigation does not pass the smell test, with the Sheriff's Department holding the District Attorney investigators off scene for 45 minutes, The clothes, the moving of Josh's body.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: See, I have three people that say Josh's body was out near the road, nowhere near the house, or his tool shed, like I said earlier, And I do believe that Josh's body was moved closer to the house to make that B&E story more believable.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Because from the house to the street is 172 feet.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: That is not self-defense, That is not you are allowed to protect yourself.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: You are not allowed to protect your property.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: And 172 feet from the house that he supposedly tried to do a B&E on is a little bit of a stretch.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Thanks, josh, found with did.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Was there any weapons on him?
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Nope, okay, so they didn't even try to plant something on him to make it.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: No, So he was getting his tools for work that morning.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: There was a shovel and so they're okay.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: So there was a shovel and a pair of pliers in his left hand like this And the angle, the angles of the where, how he was shot.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I've had some people go over those angles with a corner And so the ex husband said Josh and him were 25 feet away from each other, looking at each other like we're looking at each other, And Josh took a few steps and quarry fire because he felt threatened.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: But those first and second shots that come in the back seem to be like Josh was bent bent over, face down, booty up, picking up something when those first two shots came into him.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: So he had, he had a.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: He had a shovel and a pair of pliers in his left hand And they did try to say that Josh had that was his weapon.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: But Josh was right handed, He had multiple things in one hand And if you're going to attack somebody that has a semi automatic rifle, are you going to use your non dominant hand with a pair of pliers in the same hand?
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I think Josh had that stuff in his hand when he was bent over picking up his tools for work that morning because there was a generator and a welder kind of caddy corner from where his body was found And there were friends that said that he was going over there to get tools for work that morning.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And my brother worked all the time.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Even if he wasn't working, he was always chopping wood, collecting walnuts.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: He was always doing something to make that money.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: He just didn't sit around.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: All of his friends said that he was going over there to get his tools And when he left he was not angry, He wasn't.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: He wasn't high on math.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: They tried to make him out to be this huge meth monster in court, Josh.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: They dragged his body through that courtroom pretty hard And then that forensic pathologist came in and blew every single story out of the water.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: He was a threat.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: No, he was paralyzed after the first shot.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: He was a meth monster.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Nope, He had no met.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: He had no binge meth use in his system.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: And then they were like he was breaking and entering.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: There was no forced entry on any of the doors or any of the windows And Josh had lived there for over a year.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Nobody had served him an eviction notice.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: He and we found out through trial that there was a chair, a gun case and a heater facing out towards the back window.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Somebody was waiting for him to come in that house but he didn't take the bait Like he.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: They had plans for him That their narrative was to get him in that house, to shoot him in the house and actually say that's exactly what happened, But shit went crazy.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And when you're doing hot rails of meth when you're supposed to be sleeping, that kind of changes your thought process and how you do things and gives you the liquid courage to do things you wouldn't necessarily do on a regular day.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: And that's Josh's drug dealers, Josh's girlfriend's drug dealer that told me that she was doing drugs before Josh was killed.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Not sleeping Cause that's what she says happened.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: She's I slept through this homicide and there's no way.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: There's no way you can sleep through hot rails and then your weapon that's registered to you go off 10 times eight feet from your house.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Can we talk about the recording?
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Is that something we can discuss?
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the recording.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: We all knew from the first day that Josh was murdered that he had, he had a recorder in his pocket and it's not this one, but it's like this.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: He had a recorder in his pocket and one of his good friends was like, hey, you need to ask the detectives about the recorder, because the last time I saw Josh he had a recorder in his pocket.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Because they he knew and I say they because Josh's girlfriend and the ex-husband had gone around for like maybe three to six weeks before, maybe even eight weeks, telling people what they were going to do And and they weren't quiet about it They were actually showing the weapon that was later used to murder Josh.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: But so Josh had that recorder on him because he wasn't allowed to have a phone.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: She wouldn't let him have a phone.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: We asked about that recorder the day that he was murdered and they were like, yeah, he had a recorder in his pocket And we asked multiple times throughout the whole process of the confessor going to jail, in the early stages of the trial And in one part of that trial we asked what is going on with that recording?
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Did you guys find anything?
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: And they were like, no, we went over that recorder and we did not find anything of value on it And we were like, okay, we believe that narrative for a long time.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: And so 30 days after Josh's ex-girlfriend's ex-husband was acquitted, we went down to get Josh's belongings And one of the things that we got back were that recorder.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: But what's interesting is they were given back to us.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go off track really fast.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: So they were given back to us in in a brown paper bag.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: But these are Josh's pockets, to his genes, right.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: So all of his stuff was in, like this cigarette pack, and they were all in a bolt in his pockets.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: And so when we went to go get those things, the court, like the person, came back from the back room and just dumped all of this stuff onto the counter, like she didn't hand it back to us and here, open this process, this and your own time.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: They should have done.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: They should have just handed it to us and let us walk away.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: But they just felt the need to like just dump everything onto the counter.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that dumped out from this pocket was Josh's recorder And I instantly picked it up, put it in my pocket and asked do you think they gave it to you accidentally?
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's how, that's what I was thinking.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: So I like swooped it, put it in my pocket, and if they were like, hey, i need that back, i'd have been like, nope, sorry, i'm not doing that, or rest me.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: But they didn't, and so I put it in my pocket and I went over.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: So ABC defile there's a lot of stuff on this recorder and I didn't find anything either.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: So it literally sat in an outgoing mail slot on my kitchen wall for almost two years.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: And then one night I'm watching Zach Baggins and I was like I have an Olympus recorder.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I can probably let's.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I want to see if I can get that out and maybe catch some EVPs of Josh.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: And I was just going through all of these recordings and I got to that last file, which is defile, and there were only two recordings on that defile, and one was from 2013.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: And the other one was this date, right here.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: So when I pushed one button, i was actually going to delete those two files because I was like this is the easiest file to delete And I'm so glad I pushed one button and I pushed another button because the date showed up and that changed my life And it's been a nonstop Sherlock without a Watson for the last four years because I didn't even get to do an EVP session with that recorder.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Because I was like Holy crap, there's an act, there's a five minute and 58 second recording of the same date of Josh's homicide, and so that just started.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I got my sister's headphones that night, went to the store the next day, got an RC jack, plugged it into my soundbar.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Then from there of two months later I had a friend put it on the computer and then from there I downloaded Audacity and I've just been teaching myself how to use Audacity and just trying to clean up Josh's recording Any chance I get.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: This is what I'm doing.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: I'm either researching the corruption in Northern California or I'm working on my brother's homicide case or I'm working on that recording And I think I've done a pretty good job.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: That my second pinned video.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I sent that recording raw to a random TikToker and I did not tell her anything.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I did not tell her and I sent the whole entire five minute 48 second recording and for a long time I had always thought there was two shooters, because my brother says he's plural, he's saying the efforts and he's saying the N word, but it's plural And supposedly the narrative is there was nobody else in the yard except for Corey and Josh, remember?
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: So if Josh, if, why is Josh saying those things if there was only one other person in the yard?
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: So there's a reason why he's saying those words.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: It's plural, there's more than one and he also like so.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: The craziest thing I find that recording.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: It took me like a year and a half to try to like semi clean it up And I took it to the district attorney and they oh my gosh, these guys, i swear to God, these guys.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: For years not only did the district attorney, but the investigator was like there's absolutely nothing on that recorder of value whatsoever.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I find that recording and the date and then I start to realize that it's Josh's girlfriend That said she slept through her weapon go off 10 times and that's on this recording saying all this stuff before and as Josh is being shot.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: What they tell me is what I have is 25 minutes before Josh is shot, and I'm like you all just told me for years there was absolutely nothing on this recording or this recorder, and now that I found this, you're going to say it's 25 minutes before Josh is shot.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: I thought there was nothing on this recorder whatsoever Like, how do you know?
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: how do you know this is 25 minutes before Josh is shot?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: if there was absolutely nothing on it and you went over it.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: That's what you've been telling me for years.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: And then they switched it up and they were like, oh, this is whatever this is.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: it's 25 minutes before Josh is shot And I can prove it's the actual time, because Josh was paralyzed.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: The forensic pathologist said that he was paralyzed after the first shot.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: In this recording he says multiple times that he's paralyzed to a female that's supposed to be sleeping, calling his girlfriend out by name.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: She's supposed to be sleeping.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: So I know that this is the actual time of Josh's homicide because he's saying he's paralyzed multiple times, like he's.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: He Josh is just randomly going to say he's paralyzed 20 minutes before he shot and paralyzed.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Were you able to hear the gunshots on the recording?
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so thank you for redirecting me.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: So I've always thought there was more than one shooter.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Just by the simple fact that he's Josh is saying those words plural and the fact that I can hear light bulbs, i can hear sound and I can actually hear the differentials between if it's over here or if it's over here, and so I can hear there's two weapons going off.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: And so I sent that recording raw to somebody on TikTok and I did not tell anyone that I've always had a suspicion that there was two shooters.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: And when she came back and messaged me back she was like two shooters, there's two shooters, and like I've always thought that, but I've never said anything except to my family and my friends And they've all I thought I was absolutely batshit crazy for thinking that.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: But I can hear what's going on in that recording and it's not an echo.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: It's two different, two different weapons being fired at the same time.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: And so was on.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: on the autopsy Did the doctor say that it looked like it was two different bullets?
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, no, they didn't specify that it was one weapon, but that was the narrative.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: It was one gun, but in his autopsy report, like there are five wounds that are 0.7 centimeters.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: There are two wounds in his autopsy report that are 2.5 centimeter entrance wounds.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: So there's a consistent couple of handful that are 0.7 and then there's two that are 2.5 centimeters entrance.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I would love for a coroner to get this report and do an a second opinion, maybe look over his his autopsy photos and give me a second opinion, because what I'm getting from TikTok coroners is that Josh was not a threat.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: You cannot be a threat when you are bent down with your forehead facing the ground picking something up.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: There's no way that Josh was charging somebody if he was bent over getting the pliers and the shovel that were near on in his hand.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I was going to say to me it sounds like maybe he was gathering his tools.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: He got his things right, and then they come out.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: The other two come out, they're yelling and stuff.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: He sets the stuff down and he's, but at some point he had to stick his hand in his pocket and hit record.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: He could tell that okay, shit's about to get something's going on.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I want this on recording.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: And so maybe it was to the point where he was like okay, guys, i'm leaving, i'm done, he's been down to get his tools.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: And then that's when it starts.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: It's what I'm, of course, that's just what I'm picturing in my head, but wow.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, i honestly don't think that he so that recorder when you can turn it on, like you can push this little button up, and if you, if this little button is up, all it takes is one little push in your recording.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: So I think that button was up And so I don't think the first and second shot were recorded.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I think the aftermath of those first and second shots are recorded, because he's actually within the few seconds of that recording starting, he's already saying that he's paralyzed to one of his friends That's hey, get up.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: And he's like Jesus, i can't.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: He's telling his friend Jesus said he can't move from the neck down, he's paralyzed.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: And so I think the first and second shot were not recorded.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I think that whatever happened after that and he's on the ground, i think that is what.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: That is what happened.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I honestly don't think he, even he, i don't think he even saw it coming And I'll have to send you a picture that I just recently found again, that I've had for years, but there's a ladder, like in the in the news, like KRCR or whatever.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: It is over here in one of their pictures.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: I've had this picture for years and just saw it the other day, but there is a ladder in front of the house, like going up towards the roof, and when I saw that it I was like holy crap, because the sound, like the sound I hear multiple shots from two different weapons but and I could never understand like why it was so far off and like where it was.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: And then I saw that ladder and I'm like, oh my gosh, what if somebody was up on that roof, took those first two shots and Josh's girlfriend did the rest And I'll send you that picture And my buddy that is.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: That used to work in corrections.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I talked to her every single day and her sister was a coroner and all of her friends she has a few friends that are coroners And from what they tell me it would make sense how those bullets, if you're standing in front of somebody and you're coming at them, they're not going to course upward I mean they there's a good possibility they would, you know but to left, downward at 30 to 45 degrees, slightly back to front.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Number two, left to right, upward at 60 degrees and back to front at 20 to 30 degrees.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: And number three, up upward and left to he.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: These angles are insane 30 degrees, slightly front to back, downward, like straight front to back, downward, right to left, downward and slightly lateral to medial.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: You like, how are you shooting somebody if they're in front of you?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: How are like, the person that confessed is an eight feet tall.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: How is he downward angling Because Josh was on the ground?
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: He says he's paralyzed multiple times before Josh's girlfriend unloads her weapons.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: You can hear her in sync with the weapon, but you can also hear Josh too, and he's unparalleled.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I would like for you to tell us a little bit about court.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I remember everything from that.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: It was only like a week and a half trial.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: It took, like I said, he spent eight months in jail and his like, when he first was in jail, they I think his bail was like a million dollars or something like that, and then within three months his bail went from a million to 200,000.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: And then he went.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: It went from murder one to unlawful use of a no, i forget what it was called, I forget.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: It's like homicide with an unlawful use of a firearm or something like that, and so it was just a shit show for real.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of things that we weren't allowed to be in, but when the trial did come, there was a lot of.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of people from their side and we only had two people testify and Josh is on Josh's side And there should have been more.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: There should have been the person There's my look.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I have a friend, a family friend.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: She's this is her statement and I know you've probably seen it, but she said so.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Anyone and everybody reading this post.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Christie was a jealous woman who swore if Josh cheated on her she would kill him.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: He couldn't go anywhere without her.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: If he did, she would get so mad.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: She literally threw a beer bottle at his head one day here at the house.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: He couldn't even go to his grandma's house on the next street, over from me.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: The day he was murdered, she told me when the cops got to the house she was standing outside in front of the house holding her gun.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know why she wasn't on trial for murder, because she said it over and over again She would kill him.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Then, before we knew it, he was dead on her property, killed by her gun She swore she would kill him with.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: When I went over there after Josh's body was removed, she stated that the cops pulled up and she was standing there holding her gun.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: She's supposed to be sleeping and she's telling she's glow, that's like a glow, that's like a, that's like a flex to me.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Like, why would you say that, even if if you were involved in a homicide and you didn't want anyone to know?
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: like, why would you say that to a family friend?
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: She, she was just boasting, like she was boasting on that recording.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Uncle Garten runs the politics, he'll get me off and it'll be self-defense.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Then she goes over and unloads her weapon into Josh because the sense of immunity and punitive and invincibility is so strong with these people that they literally can commit homicide and move out of state two weeks after a homicide.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: This is the kind of people that these they are.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Josh's girlfriend was allowed to leave state two weeks after Josh was murdered Permanently.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: She left state permanently after Josh's homicide And that was like two weeks.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Like he.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: He wasn't even gone two weeks and she was moving out of state And there's just a lot of things.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Like you, you don't talk about your uncle running the politics unless he actually runs the politics.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: There's a reason why she's saying that and there's a reason why her ex-husband got off in 23 minutes, cause it's all rigged.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: It's all rigged in their favor, because What do you mean?
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: 23 minutes.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: So the trial they both had closing statements, the defense and the district attorney And the jury went back to the jury box and it only took them 23 minutes to come back with a not guilty verdict, Even though the person that confessed to Josh's homicide like his statements, like that forensic pathologist testimony was huge, massive, Like this person goes to school for 15, 20 plus years.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: They know what they're talking about.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: And for him to say there was no need to shoot Josh eight more times or seven more times and that Josh would have been paralyzed, Like that says something.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: And why are the detectives not listening to a forensic pathologist?
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't they question the person that's confessing to this homicide a little more?
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Your statements don't match.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Either You're lying or you didn't do it.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: If you're lying, let's get to the bottom of it.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: And one of the detectives that worked Josh's homicide case is supposedly world renowned In California.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: It is an expert at analyzing.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: It's a voice stress test.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: He's like world renowned.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: He does classes on it.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: But did they think to give him a voice stress test to see if what he was saying about Josh getting back up was true or nothing was done?
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Why do you think he was okay with pleading guilty to something that he may or may not have done?
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: And then because to me which granted my mind don't work in that homicidal kind of way.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: So to me I feel like if it'd be one thing if I had to do 24 hours for taking the fall for a buddy month over something minor like I could see something like that maybe, but eight months looking at longer, depending what the verdict is even though you have all the right people on your side saying we got you, we got you, why do you think there wasn't that breaking moment or that person that he said okay, i just have to tell somebody the truth.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, i honestly think that this was all rigged from the beginning, like even the town that this is.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: The town that this is in the county is 69,000 people, but the county where this happened is less than a thousand And the county, the little town where this took, the court took places less than 14,000.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Everybody knows everybody And if an undershare of his worked for 37 years in that town, he knows everybody, even the grandsons.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: It doesn't take much to pay off a jury.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: It doesn't take much to pay off the judges It doesn't take.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: And, like I said earlier, either you're with them or you don't dare go against them.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: So either way they're going to get their way.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: And I think it was easier for a male to confess to this homicide, because shooting somebody eight times is excessive.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: And if a female would have confessed to this homicide, i don't think the same outcome like even if you have a bot, like a what is it Not bias jury, yeah, bias jury, and they're all together There could be that one, that is, you just shot somebody eight times like you're raging female.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I think the whole The BNE story the man trying to protect his house thing is more of a believable story than a female and a girlfriend, ex-husband, or like a quarrel that ended in somebody being shot eight times.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: I think the male version, protecting his house, because that was one of the things that they said over and over again that he was protecting his property, his house.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: When you look up that house and the person that owns that house, or the person that confessed, has never owned that property a day in his life, But yet he was depicted as the homeowner in every news article.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: He was like he was the homeowner.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: He wasn't.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: He'd only lived there for two, three weeks.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: So, like the whole narrative, let's boast this and let's bring Josh down to the dirt and keep him there.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I honestly think that the male version of protecting someone's house is more believable When you say so.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, And I think too that we live in a world where people now believe when women say that they are being abused And that's great that we're getting that place where women can speak up.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: It pisses me off when women are lying about it, because that takes away from the ones that heavily went through it.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: What I mean is saying that is we cannot believe.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: There are people that say you can't rape men.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: That's not true.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: There are people that say men cannot be abused.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: That is not true.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: So I don't.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like the truth.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: the destructive relationship that was there.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: I feel like a part of that just plays that factor into that narrative that, even though it's the truth, it's so far fetched.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: We as a society can't believe it because this would never happen to a man.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: A man that does not get be A man does not get abused.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: A man does not go through this shit.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: It's either him doing it to her or it didn't happen.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: And, like I said, josh was trying to get out.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: That's the most dangerous time for anybody to get out of a situation is when you're like set mind made up over and done with.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: And she was high on meth.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: She was also pregnant, maybe three, four weeks pregnant, so she had those pregnancy hormones and he was leaving her.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: And I just read that the family friend said if she thought Josh cheated on her or if he was leaving her, she was going to kill him.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: And she said that multiple times to a friend and I don't know why that family friend did not tell us.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: That's what gets me is like nobody fucking said anything.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: And it was the people, like the family friend close to him, that saw him every single day.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, because I live in, i live about 30 minutes from him And so like I would see him all the time but I wouldn't see him every single day like her.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: And so she was firsthand knowledge, knowing that Josh's girlfriend was saying all the stuff and then he ends up dead.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: And then they played off as a being e gone wrong.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, i was just defending my house.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Like how do you shoot somebody three, two, three times in the back and five times in the chest, like once twice.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: That is self defense.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: What happened with Josh is overkill over unaliving to the fullest, and whoever shot Josh intended to kill him Like they.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: They made sure he wasn't going to get back up and they made sure that he wasn't going to say what actually happened.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: But what do?
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: you think.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: So we hear about these domestic violent situations and these murders with married people and there is an insurance policy.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: What was there?
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: What was there for her to gain from this?
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Was it just this?
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Is it just that you can think of it?
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: It's just that whole power trip.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I can get away with it.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I will get the last word kind of thing.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, i think so.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: I don't think so because there was.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: they were only together for a year and there was no insurance policies, they didn't share anything.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: They weren't married.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: I just think she lost her shit.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: I think they were planning to kill him in the house.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: There was evidence of lying in wait that was brought up at trial, but it went away real fast.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: It went away real fast, but there was some chatter at trial about lying in wait, because multiple people heard not only the confessor but Josh's girlfriend say that they wanted to do this to him.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: They were showing people the weapon that was later used And there was evidence that somebody was waiting for him to come into that house.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you can speak on this, so don't if you don't feel comfortable with it.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Was the baby Josh's that she was pregnant with?
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: We don't know.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: We don't know.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: She parades this child around like a trophy to everyone that will listen to her.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: But, if she's so innocent, had nothing to do with Josh's homicide And she actually named this child Josh's Joshua Daniel Bacheco.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: She named this child Cole, joshua Daniel Bacheco, and she's so innocent and had nothing to do with my brother's homicide And she loved Josh so much to the point she's naming this child after him.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Why hasn't she reached out to us?
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Like I'm not a hostile person, like I've never wanted to cause harm to her, i want her to wear her seatbelt and eat healthy, because she's got a six by nine cell waiting for her.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: But just for the simple fact that she has this child, names it after Josh and then has this child has nothing to do with Josh's side of the family And it's not like we're all drug addicts and alcoholics, like we're a good family, we're broken, but we've never been to prison, we don't do drugs like this child would be safe.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: We have never even established paternity.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: My mom is just not there yet.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: She's still in her grieving process and she's stuck.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: She's stuck there.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: That's one of the things I try to get her to do is we need to get established paternity on that child.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: It's so easy to say, and not because of the comment you just made.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I just mean that from an outsider, it's so easy to say this is how I would handle it and this is what I would do, and because I know that, even when you were talking about, you haven't done a paternity test Immediately, i thought that would have been one of the first things I would do, but then, because you have the angel devil on your shoulders that go back and forth with that own conversation, and I was like but would it, though?
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: and how do you go about that?
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: And then what happens?
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: And then do you fight for custody?
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: So I immediately got into this rabbit hole, and so it was a reminder to me of we always had that thought of oh, i would do this.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: People tell me all the time when they hear about my story.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: They're like why dares want to break inside my house?
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Because the minute they do, this is going to happen to them, and I'm like you don't know that.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: You don't know that.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: And I think at one point you said Josh's children.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: He has multiple right.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, are they all with?
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: her.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: No, okay, no.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: So my brother and his baby's mom were together from 16 to 28, 29.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: And so they have two kids together.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Little Feather is 22.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: And his youngest son, jj, just turned 18 on the 13th of April, and he just got accepted to San Francisco University.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: So he will be going to San Francisco University in the fall.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Josh would be very proud.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: He would be amazed.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: I'm so excited.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: But yeah, josh has two older boys, 22 and now 18.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Obviously you're not stopping.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: And I love and admire that for it.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I love and admire that.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: What?
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Obviously, we know what you would like to happen.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Do you feel that you're getting there, do you feel that this is going to happen, or how?
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: do you stay.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: I want to make sure I ask this respectfully, because I would never mean it.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: How do you stay focused?
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: How do you not feel like I'm fighting a battle I've already lost?
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, i just feel like, like I say, i feel like I'm fighting to climb Everest right now.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: That's what it feels like.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: It feels like Everest and it's a mountain of really good stuff, of really good evidence And I just like I said earlier, just like the Murdoch Paul Snapchat video, there's no denying that Alex Murdoch was on that recorder And it only took one person, paul's friend, to say yes, that's Alex Murdoch on that Snapchat.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: So if that person Paul's little friends can say, yes, that's Alex on that recorder, somebody that can hear Josh's recording is going to be like that's Josh's girlfriend on that recorder, like she is supposed.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: She painted herself into a really tight corner when she said she slept through this homicide, when I know she didn't.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: She's on that recording before, during, after Josh's shot in sync with the weapon.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: At times She's not sleeping And so that's what keeps me going.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Before I found Josh's recording, i was.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: I had to believe the narrative.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: I was really fucked up about it, like I was in a really bad spot If Rock Bottom had a basement, i was there.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: And so I feel like that would be a really good country song.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Rock Bottom had a basement.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: And since I found this recording, i found what I need to be doing, which is vindicating Josh.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: He wasn't there causing trouble.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: He wasn't there to do a, b and E.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: He was shot in the back.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: He wasn't a threat.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: And so what keeps me going is all of this, like my brother's recording does not lie, unlike them and the narrative that was put out to the public.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: So that's what keeps me going is I have the excuse, my language, i have the truth, i will set it.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: I have the truth and time on my side, and that's all that matters.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: And that's what's going to keep me going is because I literally have the smoking gun that any detective would lose their fucking mind over, if just somebody took the time to to go over it.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Send it to the FBI.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: They don't want to send it to the FBI.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Josh's girlfriend, his uncle or her uncle, graduated from the FBI Academy here in California.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: He's a blue night.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: He has this whole persona of him just being such a good guy, but in reality he's a ship bag Murdoch 2.0 that has gotten away with sex trafficking with, with child pornography, rings Like.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: The list goes on and on, and there's so many little Alex Murdochs all over the United States in these tiny ass little counties that think that they can get away with this, and it's just.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: I fight because this needs to stop.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: It needs to stop Like you are not above the law.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: There are protocols to a homicide investigation And I'm going to put to Hamer County on the map for all the wrong reasons They have done, messed up, and now they have a redheaded problem on their hands.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: They're done And I just can, even on the days where I'm like, when I listen to certain people and they're like nothing's going to ever come of this.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what there is, because even if I can't have a trial by jury, i'm going to have a trial by community and everybody's going to know And they're going to make their own mind up about what they hear and what they don't hear and what the investigation is brought to the table and what it has.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: And for the most part, there's a reason why there's 11,000 followers on Josh's Tiktok, because this is out of control.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: And it's not just Hamer County, it's not just a little tiny part of South Carolina, it's everywhere, clarence Thomas, it's everywhere.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: It's so corrupt We need the most gigantic enema because there's we've got corruption in the bowels of this belly that need to be flushed, and it's just.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: I just keep fighting because Josh would do the same for me and I want to do the same for other people, especially men, because that abuse against men does not.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: It does happen and it doesn't talk.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Nobody talks about it.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: They don't want to talk about it because then they're not a man.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: And, like in Josh's situation, i wish he would have said something, because if he would have just told me but he knows how I am and I would have called the cops You know what I mean If somebody would have told me somebody's threatening my brother, i would have been like let's get some stuff done, but that wouldn't have mattered because of who, the connections that they are.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: But he knows that I would have been in that business and it probably would have been a good situation.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: But I keep going every single day because I know that recording does not lie, like that Snapchat video of Paul Murdock.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: I did not mean to interrupt you, but absolutely But you were so close to deleting that I was so close to not being right here, and I'm asking that question about how do you not feel like you're fighting a battle that you've already lost And I'm so glad you gave the answer that you did, because I don't feel like you are.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: I would be doing the exact same thing that you're doing.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad that your nieces or your nephews have you and that your mom has you and that Josh has you And I just I'm sending you all the love.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much, i appreciate it.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: I don't like to end on negative notes, because I don't want anyone to ever log off and feel defeated or feel down.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: So will you take a second, and this is my way of checking in on you two?
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: There's a madness to the or.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: Method to the madness Method to the madness.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: What do you do to escape this and self-care?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, i think before all of this was a really dangerous time for me.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: So this, what I do now is actually it sounds a little weird, but this is what I do.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: This is what I do.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: It's therapeutic, yes, and my stress level is always at a 10.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: Like I'm a redhead.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: Everything is just always right here, and I think that not doing this would drive me crazy.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Not putting the time and effort into making sure that things are justified and rectified This is what keeps me going.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: It's not rest, it's not the ganja, it's not the beers on the weekends.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: It's like legitimately.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Like this is home And my nephew has a picture of the little mermaid married with her finger up, and I'm like that's the perfect analogy for this because, no matter if I like it or not, i'm legitimately married to this investigation.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Like I won't date.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not ever gonna marry anybody.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Like my kids are all I need, my sister is all I need And I am invested in this investigation And it does calm me down.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: There are times where my sister does not like that recording whatsoever.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: I'll be in the.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: I'll listen to it in the car When I.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: If I'm in the car by myself, i will listen to it over and over and over and over again, and because I'm like that's exactly what this is.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: There's no denying what's happening, it's not just jumbled noises Like this is what really keeps me going And, besides taking long showers and hanging out with my family and my dogs, this is therapeutic, because what I was doing before was so not self-destructing, just destructive, and the venom that was being spewed at all the wrong people.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: And now it's just so fine-tuned And I take comfort and actually giggle because I'm like we got you.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: We, josh got you And I have his testimony from beyond the grave.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: We got you.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: There is no.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: If she would have said I was awake but I wasn't in the yard, or I was in the yard but I didn't do anything, if she would have said any of those things, it would be harder for me to explain our situation, but she painted herself into a really tight corner when she said she slept through this.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: That's what keeps me going, that this is therapeutic to me, like writing in, like my massive murder books.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: I have three of these And it's called a murder book.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Detectives use them And I go and I collect evidence Like I.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: I talk to people that I shouldn't be talking to.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Just Sherlock without a Watson, all the time, cause my mind's always going.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: It never stops, even when I don't want it to keep going.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: It just keeps going.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: This is what keeps me going, this is my therapeutic.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not kidding Like this.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: My brother's homicide is the main goal.
• 1:08:25
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• 1:08:27
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• 1:08:55
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• 1:09:20
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• 1:09:21
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• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: I'm done hurting.