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Mayan Astrology with Solomon Pakal · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What what's going to happen?
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  Speaker 3: I'll take.
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  Speaker 1: What help.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode. You just got me,
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  Speaker 4: We got the guest. We've got Solomon Pakal on today
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  Speaker 4: and uh very much looking forward to talking to this man.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to be talking about Mayan astrology, as you
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  Speaker 4: can tell because it's already in the title pressed play.
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  Speaker 4: So uh yeah, we're gonna talk about a little bit
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  Speaker 4: about my in astrology and uh quite interesting thing. He's
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  Speaker 4: going to promote that he's working on himself, that he's
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  Speaker 4: going to be putting out soon. So uh, let me
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  Speaker 4: shut up and we'll let Solomon introduce himself.
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  Speaker 2: To Solomon.
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  Speaker 4: Please let everybody know like where I guess where they
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  Speaker 4: can find you, and uh you know all your work
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  Speaker 4: that you want to promote.
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  Speaker 3: Please all right, my name is Solomon Pacall. You can
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  Speaker 3: find me, most notably on substack mystery codex with Solomon Pacall,
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  Speaker 3: where you can type in Solomon Pacall dot com. He'll
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  Speaker 3: take you to my substack and there I write on
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  Speaker 3: all the mysteries. I have a broad knowledge of the occult.
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  Speaker 3: I've been a practitioner for over twenty years now. I
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  Speaker 3: was born and raised in a tradition. I do biweekly
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  Speaker 3: Mayan astrology world reports. I kind of keep the astrology
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  Speaker 3: relevant to the times and like the really crazy times
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  Speaker 3: we're going through right now. And I'll go ahead and say,
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  Speaker 3: right now, using my astrology and just kind of a
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  Speaker 3: cult investigative tools, on Friday, November is it twenty first, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'll be launching a series on the occultism found in
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  Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein's temple on the island of Little Saint James.
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  Speaker 3: What a lot of people don't know is that, yes,
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  Speaker 3: he did occult rituals, and in fact, if there is
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  Speaker 3: something close to that Luminati word, this would probably be
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  Speaker 3: the close thing. Spoiler alert. It's much more complicated than that.
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  Speaker 3: But there, I really dissect all of the symbolism that
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  Speaker 3: we have found through drone footage on the ground, photographs
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  Speaker 3: inside the temple, outside the temple, things like the sun dial,
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  Speaker 3: the whole kind of composition of the island. The findings
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  Speaker 3: will shock you. They have implications beyond. It's not really
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  Speaker 3: anything the occult world has imagined thus far. All takes
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  Speaker 3: thus far on the island have been done by Christian
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  Speaker 3: conspiracy theorists that just want to slap a Satan label
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  Speaker 3: on it and call it a day, And it is
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  Speaker 3: much more complicated than that. And I think if you
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  Speaker 3: have a genuine interest in this, you want to see
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  Speaker 3: how complicated it gets, because this is I think it's
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  Speaker 3: one of the occult findings of the century. We'll see
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  Speaker 3: how it plays out. But yes, that will have to
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  Speaker 3: be for paid subscribers only due to the sensitive nature
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  Speaker 3: of the findings and just the subject matter in general.
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  Speaker 3: And that actually has some relevant ties to what we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about today with myn astrology and all of the
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  Speaker 3: meso American mysteries. Believe it or not, things that went
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  Speaker 3: on on that island have ties to the indigenous peoples
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  Speaker 3: of the Americas. So I think a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: will be interested, especially with the recent release of twenty
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  Speaker 3: thousand emails that have crazy details about them with key
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  Speaker 3: individuals around the world and key events from the last
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  Speaker 3: ten years. So I encourage every lane to go to
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  Speaker 3: Mystery Codex with all them call on substack.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you man.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, really look forward to when you saw putting
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  Speaker 4: out that work.
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  Speaker 2: For sure.
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  Speaker 4: It's even from the things you were telling me prior
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  Speaker 4: before starting the show. You've already piqued my interest. It
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  Speaker 4: definitely seems like a very well organized and deeply educated thing.
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  Speaker 4: They were trying to do that, Like they're not stupid,
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  Speaker 4: They're definitely.
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  Speaker 3: No, there was. It was very professional. What was going on?
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  Speaker 2: A professional better way to say it instead education?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, it's it's kind of an understatements until
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  Speaker 3: you look at the evidence and you dissect step by
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  Speaker 3: step of like, oh, this is uh the Saint, uh,
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  Speaker 3: the Saint the craft like the Saints, the Saints, your
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  Speaker 3: daddy's LB r P.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, LB, you know that is funny. I like that, dude,
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  Speaker 2: that's great.
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  Speaker 4: Uh So I guess, I mean I I kind of
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  Speaker 4: got a little bit. I mean obviously because of your background,
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  Speaker 4: but I guess it well, actually, if you don't mind starting,
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  Speaker 4: I guess like what got you into I guess the
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  Speaker 4: esoteric and what stuff have you? Kind of like, I
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  Speaker 4: guess like what experiences and studies do you have under
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  Speaker 4: your belt?
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  Speaker 3: I was born and I was born and raised in
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  Speaker 3: a witchcraft tradition because my mother is indigenous Maya, she
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  Speaker 3: comes from Guatemala, and my dad, he's an he's American,
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  Speaker 3: but he was always the Indiana Jones type. He was
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  Speaker 3: a former military man, former intel guy, and and him
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  Speaker 3: and my mom went on a bunch of crazy adventures.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing is is that my mother comes from
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  Speaker 3: a essentially an informal lineage of what is called brujas
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  Speaker 3: uh in Spanish. You know, it just means which, But
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  Speaker 3: like Breja and brew Hedia, as would be, the art
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  Speaker 3: is a real blanket term across Latin America, and it's
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  Speaker 3: much more nuanced and much more regional. So when I'm
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  Speaker 3: talking bruheti, I'm specifically talking about the region from where
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  Speaker 3: my family comes from. But like you know, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people did magic, like in those countries, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people do magic, and it's almost like you're.
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  Speaker 4: Open in those countries, like in South America. Then yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: It's you can. It's kind of like a yes and
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  Speaker 3: a no, as in like you are constantly being scrutinized
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  Speaker 3: by the Catholic Church and now like real hardcore Pentecostals.
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  Speaker 3: But so it's kind of like there's an identity crisis
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  Speaker 3: with Brewhetia. A lot of people don't like to talk
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  Speaker 3: about this. People want to talk about brew Hedia as
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  Speaker 3: like being complete empowerments and stuff, and it's really not
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  Speaker 3: that it's a lot of identity crisis because you will
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  Speaker 3: go you'll do a pretty controversial ritual out of crossroads,
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  Speaker 3: and then you will go back on Sunday, you'll go
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  Speaker 3: to church and you'll pray for forgiveness. And honestly, this
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  Speaker 3: is what a lot of drug cartels do as well,
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  Speaker 3: like they'll do things with certain folk saints. They'll do
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  Speaker 3: some things, or they'll do bad they'll execute people right,
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  Speaker 3: and then they'll go to church and they'll pray it off.
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  Speaker 3: And that kind of mentality is in Bruhidia as well.
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  Speaker 3: And the thing is is that Bruhetia is kind of
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  Speaker 3: hailed for having high level practical magic, which it does,
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  Speaker 3: but I think Westerners kind of get their expectations maligned
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  Speaker 3: with that because a lot of them come from like
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  Speaker 3: Protestant Christian backgrounds, and they come from ceremonial backgrounds where
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  Speaker 3: they may be getting frustrated with like the tangible results
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  Speaker 3: of such workings, and then they're like, oh, well, these
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  Speaker 3: this folk magic, this is where it's at, and then
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  Speaker 3: they kind of get wrapped up into that, and then
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  Speaker 3: there's some ceremonial types that just kind of look down
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  Speaker 3: on folk magic and practical magic altogether. So either both
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  Speaker 3: takes are misinformed and the truth is somewhere in the middle,
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  Speaker 3: because Bruhetia is actually pulling from vast cosmologies, vast cosmologies
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  Speaker 3: that many Brujas, because of the scrutiny of the Catholic Church,
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  Speaker 3: they may not know the true origins of like some
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  Speaker 3: of the things that they do. It was just kind
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  Speaker 3: of handed down to them, and you will hear folk
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  Speaker 3: tales and stuff and like little jingles, like little rhymes
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  Speaker 3: and stuff that are passed down to family members, but
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  Speaker 3: they're coming from bigger places and those are most notably
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  Speaker 3: Catholic cosmology and even more most notably the meso American cosmologies,
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  Speaker 3: depending on where you're coming from, where the Brewhetia tradition
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  Speaker 3: is located, So in my case, it would be indigenous
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  Speaker 3: Maya cosmologies that influence those things. So part of my
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  Speaker 3: mission is actually kind of arguing for the sake of
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  Speaker 3: saying that you know, Mayan magic in particular, but meso
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  Speaker 3: American magic as a whole has more in common with
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  Speaker 3: like Cornelius Agrippa than it does kind of like I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, like the craft or something. You know, it's
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  Speaker 3: much more. It's extracting from higher levels. And most certainly
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  Speaker 3: the pre Columbian versions of these things were very like
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  Speaker 3: high level you would describe them more ceremonial magic than
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  Speaker 3: anything else, because they were happening in big, massive stone plazas,
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  Speaker 3: in city squares with tens of thousands of people. So
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  Speaker 3: it's like, that's not a jar spell, you know, I'm saying,
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  Speaker 3: that's not a simple candlespell. That's an entire theatrical production
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  Speaker 3: of ritual with people having key roles, embodying certain things
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  Speaker 3: with astronomical timing, with precise astronomical timing, with actual systems
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  Speaker 3: of mathematics that rival our own today. Uh, that takes systems.
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  Speaker 3: That's not this kind of like loosey, goosey, hippie dippy
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  Speaker 3: shamanic veneer with with dreadlocks and a you know, a
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  Speaker 3: bag of weed.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's it's.
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  Speaker 3: Much more sophisticated, and there's a time and place for
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  Speaker 3: those more like loosey goosey rituals. But like the stereotype
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  Speaker 3: really holds the perception back, it really holds the reality back.
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  Speaker 3: Even in modern day keeping the tradition of daykeeping. That's
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  Speaker 3: fine and watermelive. Things can be very very ceremonial. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: there's rituals that take up like several hours.
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  Speaker 4: So oh yeah, even when I did a basic ritual
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  Speaker 4: at my house, if I can, you know, consider like
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  Speaker 4: the beds and setting all up. I mean, you co're
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  Speaker 4: taking you a fuck an hour and a half anyway
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  Speaker 4: with the meditations and everything, you know, And that's just
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's just doing like the LB r P
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  Speaker 4: and the hexagram, you know what I'm saying, Like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so I grew up doing U. I grew
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  Speaker 3: up in this my you know. At one point, like
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  Speaker 3: I was too young to do it. My you know,
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  Speaker 3: parents kind of kept it away from me. But what
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  Speaker 3: really prompted it was someone came after my family. So
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  Speaker 3: then it was like kind of witchcraft had to be
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  Speaker 3: so commonplace to combat this that I got wind of
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  Speaker 3: it started doing magic from a young age. Now where
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  Speaker 3: I grew up. I was born in Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 3: My mother was born in Watemala and then moved here.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing is Washington, d C. Is very very
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  Speaker 3: especially in minority communities, It's a very magical place. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: it's really like the hot bed for magic between New
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  Speaker 3: York and Miami, Florida, specifically for like Hispanic and Afro
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  Speaker 3: Cuban communities. Now a lot of discip Okay, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 3: it's that's a hot bed, especially for Afro Cubans and
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  Speaker 3: so Afro Cuban traditions, and like Santa Ria and Ifa,
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  Speaker 3: they are not like Indigenous American. They have ties to
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  Speaker 3: it though, because like that's just the way history worked
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  Speaker 3: in the last five hundred years. But let's here's some
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  Speaker 3: on the ground knowledge. Essentially we have Botanica's and these
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  Speaker 3: more minority lies.
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  Speaker 2: That's you know, that's what I was going to bring
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  Speaker 2: up before that.
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  Speaker 4: Why another reason why I feel like, I guess like
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  Speaker 4: the Latin Latinos or of the Latin whatever, they seem
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  Speaker 4: me a little bit more open because like in certain
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  Speaker 4: areas on Long Island, like I used to when I
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  Speaker 4: lived in Long Island, I was just you know, practice
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  Speaker 4: heavily as a ceremonial magician. If I was to go
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  Speaker 4: into certain areas that was more of of of that
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  Speaker 4: type of people, all of a sudden, I'd find botanicals.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, now I can go find my herbs
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  Speaker 4: and some candles because they seemed a little bit more
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  Speaker 4: open to that stuff. But like, oh, we'll throw a
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  Speaker 4: couple of Christian Catholic statues in there and it looks okay,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, but like
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  Speaker 4: to me, it's just like they seemed a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more open to like all the RB and the candles
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  Speaker 4: to this and then all these little saints you'll pray
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  Speaker 4: you do to ask that.
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  Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, it's very I don't want to say
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  Speaker 3: it's so, I guess in some ways it's a bit
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  Speaker 3: more apologetic, but like there is an inherent apologies apologeticism
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  Speaker 3: for lack of better words, to all of the syncretized practices. Really, syncretism,
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  Speaker 3: period is a way to just survive while trying to
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  Speaker 3: keep a hold of your indigenous traditions, whether they be
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  Speaker 3: indigenous American or indigenous African and or even indigenous European too,
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  Speaker 3: using a folk stand to cover up some kind of
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  Speaker 3: European spirit that made its way over here. But syncretism
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  Speaker 3: is that the logistics behind it that I kind of
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  Speaker 3: want to teach everybody whenever I talk about this, of
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  Speaker 3: like why Santidia is relevant to at least the discussion
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  Speaker 3: of Diaspiric Maya people in the Americas and Diaspec Maya
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  Speaker 3: uh practitioners is because we would have to go to
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  Speaker 3: these botanicas for tools and ingredients and stuff. But the
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  Speaker 3: people that owned the shops were typically like Dominicans, Puerto Ricans,
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  Speaker 3: Cubans there were you know, have the Afro Cuban tradition.
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  Speaker 3: So the lingua franca of these botanicas was Santteria. It
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  Speaker 3: was not like it was I was the lingua franca
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  Speaker 3: and you would have things like something mark a Potanica.
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  Speaker 3: You can find all kinds of eclectics, syncretics stuff from
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  Speaker 3: Latin America. But seven and I this is not a overestimation.
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  Speaker 3: Around seventy percent if not more, of the clientele that
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  Speaker 3: would come into these were people of Mexican and Central
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  Speaker 3: American descent, so i e. People of indigenous American descent,
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  Speaker 3: primarily that of meso America. So that's why we we
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  Speaker 3: have kind of like a vernacular when it comes to Santidia.
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  Speaker 3: And we got involved in Santhia too because it was
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  Speaker 3: so much I mean, it was just so prevalent and
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  Speaker 3: it provided kind of like a backbone of kind of
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  Speaker 3: practice with other people, and I allow for good cross training.
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  Speaker 3: So and when I say cross training, i'd like it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of informal. It's very cultural, but like you get
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  Speaker 3: together with people at parties and you do magic. That's
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  Speaker 3: like kind of the background that I come from, and
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  Speaker 3: it's very surprising to me. I think this is more
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  Speaker 3: of a commentary and the cultural divide in the United
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  Speaker 3: States because I know a lot of Western practitioners and
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  Speaker 3: they're some famous, right, and they live near these neighborhoods
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  Speaker 3: and they don't go there, but they are very interested
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  Speaker 3: in like real magic and getting results. And I'm not
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  Speaker 3: trying to chastise them because I understand, especially for my
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  Speaker 3: time in growing up in DC, a very multicultural city,
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  Speaker 3: but also I was in the military for ten years
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  Speaker 3: and a big part of my job boy was hearts
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  Speaker 3: and minds and cultural like cross cultural competency and crossing cultures,
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  Speaker 3: especially linguistically. It can be a very intimidating thing. I understand.
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  Speaker 3: If you don't know much Spanish and you know you're
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  Speaker 3: just learning, you're probably going to be saying stuff like
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  Speaker 3: a toddler and it might cause some snickers. And that
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  Speaker 3: is I've seen it with Spanish I've seen with Hindi,
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  Speaker 3: I've seen it with Swahili, So yeah, it can be
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  Speaker 3: a kind of a intimidating feeling. But you still have
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  Speaker 3: that going on in the United States, and I do
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  Speaker 3: think that's a barrier that needs to be broken, because
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  Speaker 3: it's not so much that I want to see like
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  Speaker 3: Hekata and Fay statues on botanicas, but I do want
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  Speaker 3: to see the cross cultural training between magical systems because
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  Speaker 3: what a lot of more I guess you could say
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  Speaker 3: Western systematized practices have I think folk magic needs and
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the high efficacy, like bite down on
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  Speaker 3: your mouthpiece, regutting results at all costs from real folk
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  Speaker 3: magic practitioners needs to be studied by Western people in
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  Speaker 3: a much more like communal fashion and like an organic fashion.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like a lot of people, really there's
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  Speaker 3: all kinds of these folk magic communities around the United States,
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  Speaker 3: not just in DC, Miami, in New York. But I
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  Speaker 3: find that a lot of people are learning their folk
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  Speaker 3: magic from just stuff on the Internet. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: you got to make do with what you can, but
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  Speaker 3: I think you should be kind of trying to find people,
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  Speaker 3: especially in the twenty first century, when we're so digital,
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  Speaker 3: we need to find people to practice with, even especially
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  Speaker 3: if they're different from us, so that we can cross
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  Speaker 3: train and have comparative analysis. That comparative analysis is what
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  Speaker 3: is going to enhance the occult, and it's going to
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  Speaker 3: raise the standard of the occult. I'll address this really
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  Speaker 3: quick because we were talking about it beforehand. But like
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  Speaker 3: people get so hung up on like Crowley and Manly
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  Speaker 3: p Hall and Blovotsky and all these people, and truth
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  Speaker 3: be told, I think when we talk about them, we
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  Speaker 3: should talk about surpassing them, because there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people that, like love Crawley today that are better practitioners
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  Speaker 3: than him. The standard of the occult needs to be raised,
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  Speaker 3: and we're not going to get that by consistently looking
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  Speaker 3: to the past and like getting all nostalgic about it
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  Speaker 3: and saying how like amazing these people were and nobody's
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  Speaker 3: going to top them, and you.
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  Speaker 4: Know what, you know, I think it's interesting if we
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  Speaker 4: were to look at who influenced them, you'd be like,
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  Speaker 4: you motherfuckers really didn't do much.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, because really, I forget the name.
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  Speaker 4: If you look at some of the nastic saints that
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  Speaker 4: he was in you know that he lists and that
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  Speaker 4: he you know, wasn't impressed by this ship that they
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  Speaker 4: put out was much more impressive than anything it is.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, like overall, uh, a lot of these
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  Speaker 3: people came from like privileged backgrounds. And I mean, here's
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  Speaker 3: the thing, just because you're right about the occult doesn't
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  Speaker 3: necessarily mean that you're a good practicing occultist. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: there are some authors that are like really about that
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  Speaker 3: life too, And you know, I think it's also kind
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  Speaker 3: of a hard thing to gauge as well, because like
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  Speaker 3: nobody hears hitting the numbers that like Jay Shetty or
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  Speaker 3: Joe Dispensa are. But at the same time, I think
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  Speaker 3: if you read between the lines, you all know that
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  Speaker 3: they're not really practitioners of their own like whatever the
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  Speaker 3: spiritual path may be, right, they wouldn't say a cultist,
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  Speaker 3: but it's all on the same purview. But I think,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: you know, there's just so much more things we can
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: learn from comparing and contrasting with better practice going forward.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: I think that's what we need to do, the explore
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: some of the esoteric.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: Even think some of the people that, like a lot
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: of people get hung up on their their visional what
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: they spoke about was also so narrow minded, but it
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: was just kind of on one area that like, there's
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: so much more to look at besides what those people
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: hung up on are known for.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean most notably so so like maso America. Right,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: like we were just talking, I believe the next frontier
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: for magic should be everything mayso American because it's an
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: entire world of magic that has yet to be explored.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Even South America has been just kind of culturally appropriated.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: And what I mean by that, it's not just like
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: being rude to the host culture. Cultural appropriation narrows the
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: view of the practice and causes these stereotypes when I
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: say South American magic people are just like, oh, jess
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: ayahuasca because it's like such a powerful thing, but there's
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: so much more beneath the surface. And I experienced this
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: with my own magic too. And the thing is that
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: you don't build ten thousand plus pyramids this is meso America.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: You don't build ten thousand plus pyramids with your own
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: revolutionary mathematical system that rivals what we have today and
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: conduct rituals with tens of thousands of people in city
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: plazas with precise astronomical precision. By like, that's not a
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: passive thing, and that actually that all those components combine
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: would suggest that it is one of the most powerful
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: occult systems or series of systems in the world. It's
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: just massive, like people don't understand the scale. Part of
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: this is also kind of like just like the the
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: history of popularity. So what I mean by that is
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: that when Cooley and the Occult Revival was coming up, right,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: what was happening at that time, archaeology was brand new.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: So the thing is is that archaeology was used to
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: be very unprofessional as a field, but the first place
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: that they went for fascination reasons and because it's easier
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: to get to was Egypt because it's easier to dig
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: in the desert, then it's the jungle. So a lot
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: of the occult revival romanticization of ancient cultures specifically comes
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: from Egyptology. So it causes this fetishization of Egypt and
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: sometimes makes it out to be something that it's not.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: And why that is inherently unhealthy is because it basically
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: focuses us to look at Egypt from a nineteen twenties
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: like perspective from these occultists when there's a whole bigger
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: world out there. And I'm not trying to knock Egypt,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: because Egypt is amazed has one of the original writing
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: systems in the world, the original writing systems being Egyptian
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: higher glyphs, Chinese Hansei, Mesopotamian Quneiform, and Maya hieroglyphics. So
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: I'm not knocking Egypt, but simply the over focusing on
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Egypt has allowed us to make stereotypes that are completely
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: unrealistic about Egypt and Egypt's potential in magic. So yeah,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: the next hotbed, I like, the next untapped resource is
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: meso America, and I would also argue the actual Maso
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: people of meso American descent are an untapped resource. I'll
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: give you an example right now, the best pound for
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: pound fighters in the world, like the we look at
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: all the men's divisions in the UFC, the majority of
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: them are like a considerable amount of them are going
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: to come from the caucus regions of Central Asia bordering Europe.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: So like Habibnrmagamanov, uh morob Vallas, really Ilios Koria, these
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: guys really grew up with a native wrestling pategree that
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: makes them some of the best fighters in the world.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: The thing is is that they're really only starting in
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: the last few years to kind of come up on
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: the scene. Why is that they just never really had
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: the platform, Like they were too busy fighting across the
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: ocean and these like very like nomad circuits because they
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: couldn't get to an American audience and many of them
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: have language barriers. They're not as marketable as like other
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: as other fighters that like have paink care and have
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: slick striking styles. But they were probably the best fighters
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: in the world for a while by talent alone. And
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: that's what we're dealing with the people of meso America.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about the people right here in the diasporas too.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: They are within the US borders. These people have like
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: if if magic was a sport. They have natural magical
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: athleticism that is off the charts. They're kind of like
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Kenyans with like running long distances or something. It's just
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: like it's in their DNA, so it is no, it
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: really is intuitive abilities, somaturgic abilities. Well, you know, it's
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: just really naturally good.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: At you know what's interesting and uh I can't even
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: remember where we were going with this, but me, like
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: somebody used to be able to show a while ago
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: with talking about, you know, even the difference in like
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: melatonin in the pineal gland and technically if you were
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: to probably you know, have more brown people, that would
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: actually be a little bit more prime for your pineal gland. Actually,
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: melotonin in the peal gland have like a you know,
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: a connection and I.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Don't know it's me Yeah, melotona or melanin.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, the melanins are yeah.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, melons tanning TANGI.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well that the color of the skin actually does
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: reflect like, uh, to actively certain stuff with your paneal gland. Actually,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: and that's all I'm saying from white and black and
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: that you know, maybe that that would u that would
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: have some sort of proneness to what you're saying, being
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: more apt to magical or being open.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and let me just let me just specify, I'm
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: not like some kind of like uh magical uh like
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: which blood uh supremacist. Here. A lot of the contents
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: that I actually talk about on my subset where I
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: post on social media is that esotericism, the occult and
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: most notably science like dispels the idea of racial supremacy,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: and like I advocate for a form of a perennial
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: style magic. And it doesn't mean I collect a codge
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: podch but like I have a group here in my
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: locale where we get together and we do rituals when
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: we come from vastly different backgrounds, grimmore traditions, cabalistic traditions,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: ATR traditions, obviously Meso American, and we can all find
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: a perennial truth and perennial kind of operating system when
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: we do specific rituals. It doesn't mean we're mixing this
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: and that, but it does mean that one of those
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: systems is taking the lead, and we will take liberties
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: where they are necessary in order to expand the ritual.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: And it works because like all of this esoteric stuff
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: is about the fundamentals of reality, so that means every
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: culture had access to the fundamentals of reality. I'm simply
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: saying that the people themselves have a natural, like spiritual
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: athleticism that would aid them in certain things. And now
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: the thing is is that that's untapped right now, right
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: because I think the prevailing kind of force right now
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: is I think everything's metaphysical, but there does seem to
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: be like this kind of default of magic isn't real
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: in the world, right, And that wasn't the case at
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: one point, but I think this default it kind of
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: keeps people in that like manifesting culture that then that's
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: the highest they're ever going to go. But that is
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: kind of like what's ruling the metaphysical weight divisions if
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: it was a sport, if you will right now. And
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: a lot of that though, is based upon position and
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: life economic position, societal position, not necessarily raw talent.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: No, well, there's a there was a lot of people
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: that I've come across that I've covered that a lot
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: of them just happen to have like either rich parents
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: or had like ended up coming across a patron that
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: ended up allowing them to even be able to do
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: what they did. So, I mean we'll even say that
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: some of these people, Yeah, some of these people that
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: their parents were rich and making them go to like
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: fucking university at fourteen, they may never have done what
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: they did if that shit didn't happen.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I hate to say it.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's even kind of the case because look,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: it's still an advantage and a strength. I'm not downplaying that,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: because if you have the money to pay for the lessons,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: you're going to be there, like right now, the best
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: grapplers in the world in BJJ, they are typically like
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: like Gordon Ryan. He's basically a rich boy who was
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: like he quit high school and was allowed to train
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: with the best Brazilian jiu jitsu trainer of all time
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: on his parents' dime, and then he became the greatest grappler.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: He didn't grow up from hard knocks, you know what
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, from the hard, mean streets of Brazil or something.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: He grew up in New York like upstate, and he
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: was like very privileged. So that is a strength as well.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to downplay that.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: It's just something I've even noticed these people that I
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: cover or it's like, you know, I'll be I'll be
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: you know, recording it. It's just like all this person,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: this person's father died so they came into money, and
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: then this person died and they came into the money
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: that way, and you know, it's like it's just like
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: you seem to have the best of luck to be
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: able to just like not worry about money and just
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: go and learn and be a wizard, like what the fuck?
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Damn yeah, And I mean like there's a lot
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: of that was very popish, you know. But oh I
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: was talking about other people too.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: I think, like Robert somebody else that I covered was
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: just like damn, like everybody died around you.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: And I might have been Tayko Prah, I can't remember.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: And I was like, you just.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Conveniently you became rich and you're able to fuck off
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: and became who you became.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but uh so, but that's why I do and
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: should we again to my in astrology, like, because I
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: know your audience must be familiar with some kind of astrology.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and I do want to specify some differences
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: because I believe that my astrology can offer a cult
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: of sin esoteric practitioners of all varieties and added dimension
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: to whatever they're doing, you know, even if you're practicing
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: something else. Because look, it's twenty twenty five. We live
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: in a globalized society. You would be kind of foolish to,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: you know, do one tradition and say I'm going to
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: do this absolutely forever and not look at anything else.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: I think that's very kind of silly in today's world.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: But mine astrology offers very distinct advantages. But let's go
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: over what it is. So like, if regular astrology is
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: the study of how the movements and positions of celestial bodies,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: the sun, moon, planets, and stars, they're beliefs to influence
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: life on Earth, we can say that that its core
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: astrology views the cosmosis, a living system where human beings, nature,
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: and the numinous are all interconnected. Right, So we're looking
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: at the stars, look at celestial x a lot of
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: external stuff. Whereas mayan astrology may be better labeled something
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: like mayan geostrology, mayan taluric astrology I've heard as a
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: described or human centric astrology, human centric strology, I guess
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: you could say. And it's the study in the practice
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: of sacred timing of terrestrial and human centric correspondences. This
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: is most notably human gestation itself, because the sacred calendar
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: is two hundred six days roughly human just like nine months, right,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: So these are believed to components like this are believed
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: to influence life on Earth. So thus mayan astrology slash
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: geostrology uses mythological snapshots in time to align to human
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: life with cosmic rhythm rather than the positions of stars.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Now there was that as well. It's a bit more
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: unknown and obscure, but there is evidence that they had
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: implemented their own kind of planetary model of astrology, and
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: they did have their own zodiac as far as constellations,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: because sometimes you'll hear this the soul Keen calendar and
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: the day science or the Nahwales described as the zodiac,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: but really the constellations. The Maya had their own constellations
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: that they didn't completely match the Western ones. So for example,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Orian was not a hunter, it was a man with
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: a turtle shell. So you can't just easily kind of
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: like convert the astrologies, but you can use them in conjunction.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say in conjunction, but you could
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: swap systems if one system isn't favoring you at a
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: specific time, because like right now, the moon is waning
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: right and though all magic kind of filters through the moon,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: if you knew Mayan astrological timing for magic, then you
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: could take advantage of one of the day signs on
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: a specific day of the week and kind of jump
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: system jump ship to that system. If you need a
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: result or you need some kind of favor going forward.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: And if it's like because we have seven days of
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: the week, right, there's kind of like twenty days of
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: a Mayan month, so to speak, and all of those
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: twenty day signs are as different as like the planetary
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: corresponses of the days. So I like to say it
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: like Western reads your map of the sky at birth,
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Mayan reads your personal mythology from conception to birth, and
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: mythology would correspond to meso American mythology, most notably Maya mythology.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: There's many maso American civilizations, not just the Maya, not
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: just the Aztec. There was plenty. There's the Zappa tech,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: there was the Porta Feca, there was the Misteko, there
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: was the Toll Techs. There's all kinds. So but a
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: lot of them shared significant components of certain mythology tales.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: And I'll just say like that emphasis Western, even Vedic
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: is a bit more celestial focus, Mayan is a bit
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: more terrestrial focus. But both interpret cycles and alignments as
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: symbolic patterns that can reveal insights into your personality, into
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: your quote unquote destiny, timing, and of collective shifts. That's
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: what I do on my sub stack bi weekly because
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: there's a certain cycle that repeats roughly every two weeks
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: and it predicts societal events and societal changes, societal psychological phenomena.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: But both or all these systems of astrology, despite how
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: they're going about it, they provide guides to meaning via
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: cosmic rhythms for self understanding, decision making, and spiritual growth.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: I never knew that about the minds that they do
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: it from conception to birth, So what are they when
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: the baby's born, where they just go back nine months?
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there are ways to track that, and there's different levels.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: There's different layers of my in astrology. So like I
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: offer astrological chart readings through my website miyan Mystery school
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: dot com. If you guys are interested. I book out
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: pretty quickly though, because like it's a pretty arduous task
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: doing someone's chart. There's a couple of different ways to
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: do your chart. Actually most people don't know that. But
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: the way that I prioritize it, I did just go
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: by the birth date, and the birth dates if you're
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: born at nights or in the morning, does affect things.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: But from there there's so many different components that you
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: can go really deep into someone's chart, spiritual kind of
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: destiny and psychology.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Sorry I was muted.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Uh I did have somebody mentioned before. I mean you
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: kind of it's too far back to go into. And
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: they asked the question about I think like numbers in
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: the calendar something like that kind of went into the calendar.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, well this is interesting. So we use a
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: base ten counting system in the modern day, right, one,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: two through four to ten and then to one hundred thousand.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: It's easier to track numbers that way, right, So the
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Maya used a base twenty counting system and they think
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: they got that from counting fingers and toes. And what
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: that allowed them to do was kind of base their
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: whole cosmology off of variations of twenty. This is why
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: numerology is into universal but it all like various kinds
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: of numerology can work. So maso American numerology is very
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: different than Western. My favorite example is the number thirteen.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: The number thirteen is the most holy of numbers quote
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: unquote wholy of numbers in maso America because they were
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: said to be like thirteen levels of the sky, i e.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: The heavens but that is not so like when I've
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: seen some like tarot decks try to approach thirteen and
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: ascribe it to the death card, but trying to do
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: it with maso American stuff, and I think that's just
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: a really bad correspondence more or less because thirteen just
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: has completely different connotations in maso America than it does
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: the Western canon. You know, there's like Fridays that thirteen
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: it's the death card, right Like, there's a lot of
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: like negative associations. And while there's a lot of extreme
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: associations with the number thirteen, they are they're most certainly
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: not like death, you know, they are just a different
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: kind and we have different correspondences for the concept of
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: death in meso America. But that base twenty counting system
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: is very important because it tells us a lot about
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: their mathematics. That they were able to literally calculate millions
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: of years into the past. That's an evidence as part
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: of the Dressen codecs, and you don't have to have
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: some kind of alien technology to count million quite literally
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: millions of years into the past. They were able to
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: do this with very primitive technologies. But it was arduous
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: work and honestly this is even if you ask an anthropologist,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: they may say this in a YouTube video or over
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: a couple of drinks, but they do believe that the
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Maya and maso America was in touch with something else.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: But they don't believe it was anything like aliens. It
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: must have been something more along the lines of like
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: their first reaction is to say psychedelics, but the thing
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: is something to put them in an altered state that
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: allows them to perceive various kind of like echelons of calculation,
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: and then that's how they were able to do it.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: And plus just good old fashioned hard work like like
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: kind of like stick and string horizon based astronomy is
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: how they did a lot of these things. And it's
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: hard for us to wrap our heads around that. Like
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of people on the mind day look at
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: this stuff and they're like, man, how could they do that?
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: It's so advanced. It must have been aliens. But the
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: thing is is that primitive peoples didn't have Instagram to
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: distract them. People didn't have TikTok and you know what's
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: going on with the Kardashians to distract them. They were
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: really much more invested into their natural environments. So you
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: know they were able to do these things. But the
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: base twenty counting system is also relevant to like a
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: lot of people. Here's a bad stereotype about anything mayant
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: for some reason. And look, if you've got a real
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: interest in Egypt and Greece, I don't knock you, like
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: go ahead, like but you're say your state side, Like
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: you're in America, right, you're living in the United States, Canada, whatever,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: you have a real interest in those things across the way,
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: more power to you. But the thing is is that
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: meso America is like factually just more relevant to practitioners
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: and decided the hemisphere for two reasons. First of all,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: there's Maso Americans in the continents of the United States,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: and that's something that like a lot of people don't
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: care to realize. That's why a lot of these immigration problems.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: There are actually people that are here legally by documents
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: that like predates the nineteen hundreds because they were always here.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: They're like maso Americans have been in the borders of Arizona,
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: New Mexico since before they were states, before they were
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: belonging to the United States. So when there is this
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: kind of push to push these migrants they're not even migrants,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: they're just like natives out It is based upon race science,
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: it is based upon discrimination. It's not based upon man.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: These people moved from Mexico when New Mexico was a state. No,
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: they were always there like that goes into Colorado and Oklahoma.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: I mean even here where I live as far as
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: up in Ohio by Lake Erie. The base counting, the
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: base twenty counting system was something that the Adeena people had.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: They had the same basic cosmology structure as pre classic
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Maya and the Olmec, which was based upon underworld, middle world,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: upper world cosmology, specifically focusing on the Great Rift of
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: the Milky Way, and they had mound structures that would
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: align to that. And that's a very big part of
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: specifically pre classic maso American belief systems is using the
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Milky Way as like a magical component. So maso America
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: is very relevant to quite literally the land that people
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: practice on. But they're practicing with systems that aren't like
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: naturally conducive. And I don't want to say that you
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: can't make them work. You can, because at some point
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: you're going to be cracking into the more universal rennial barrier. Right,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: you start saying both's name enough times even at like
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: any place in the world, and you will kind of
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: like knock on the door. But Maso America had its
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: own directional system, had its own elements, system, had its
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: own mythology that is much more relevant to the actual
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: land and the soil and the crops of here. So
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: it's a very untapped resource of power that people are
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: ignoring really just because of a lack of information.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: One thing I didn't want to ask you earlier.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: It's a little bit off kind of like what you're
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: saying now, a little bit off topic.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: But you know, there's been.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Times where I've seen I can't remember who it was,
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: I've seen it done multiple times, right, I think it's
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's like
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: the Mike Max medicine will where I've seen that like
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: reused by occultists, I think even on books. And you
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: know that this is my opinion. I even think that
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: maybe some secret societies, I think it was Freemason for
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: mea freemasonry. It could be wrong, where it's just some
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: of the things that it seems like that they use
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: almost could be maybe influenced by the Native Americans. Do
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: you think that have you ever seen that kind of
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: like with the I guess the Mayans, or like maybe
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: like some of their occult symbolism you see kind of
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: being reused by other orders or other people.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. There's actually a famous Mason named I forget his
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: first name, Lean was his He was an early archaeologist.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: As I said, archaeologist. Archaeology was very unprofessional in its
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: early days. But and I have a kind of sympathy
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: for this guy.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: It was when they was one of the first expeditions
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: to Chichinita and excavations of Chichinita. He was a French Freemason.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: So there's like a famous book of French Freemasonry called
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: like Esoteric Freemasonry. It's a really good book. I think
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Luellin published it. But uh, he was very French Masonic
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: and respects to them because they're actually pretty practical. But
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: he was excavating chich Itza and he had a dream
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: where he was visited by an ancient Maya queen and
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: her son, and the son's name was Prince Chuck Mule.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: And the dream. The thing was is that in the
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: dream there was a lot of Atlantis talk, which was
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: clearly influenced from his Masonic you know training. Now he
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: would wake up and go about the expedition. They would
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: uncover this artifact of like this man in like a
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: strange contorted position, but with an offering bowl in the middle.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: You may have even seen. It's a very common trope
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: within maso American architecture. And they call it a chalk moule.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: But this came from Le bon Jean naming it a
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: chalk moule. It's not a real Maya name, but it's
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: influenced by Freemasonry. So he took a lot of elements
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: from that and like entered it into his free Masonic lodge.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Then you have a lot of just general Masons that
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: kind of like took bits and pieces of maso America
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: and put it into Masonic styled stuff. And you would
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: have that back and forth with jose Er Guayas kind
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: of did this too with his system. And jose guay
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Is is pretty notorious with a lot of Maya people
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: because he very clearly made up his own kind of
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: like Mayan calendar, and he wrote a book called The
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Mayan Factor, and he did not explicitly explicitly say this
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: is not indigenous Maya. So for for decades people I
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: mean still people believe that it's like legitimately Maya, but
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: it's not. It's kind of like a thoth taro, but
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: not as not as influential because he he ends up
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: putting a lot I Chang, a lot of Taoism, yin
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Yang stuff into there, and it just doesn't I will
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: say that I don't think the system works because it's
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: so out of sync from the regular Sulkian calendar and
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: it's trying to just square too many circles no pun intended,
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: because of like you know, Mason stuff. But I will
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: say that I have a little bit of uh sympathy
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: for Aguayas because this was, you know, during the nineteen
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: sixties seventies where he got his start. Archaeology, especially maso
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: archaeology was so new at the time, and he, I mean,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: he was like in a way like earnestly searching. It's
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: just he kind of like let himself go with certain theories.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: You would have a lot of my elders kind of
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: call him out. But at the same time as my
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: elders were culturally appropriating themselves that like they specifically, there
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: were certain elements that they would kind of sell out
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: on more or less. So there hasn't been a lot,
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: right that has been done with representing the maso American
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: people and pantheons.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's what you're trying to do.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: That is what I'm trying to do. But it's like,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: I think the efforts, the general effort has gotten better
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: because we have cameras, we have social to where people
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: feel a bit more lodged of sharing, but there's still
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: a lot of cultural appropriation in the way, even with
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: a lot of famous names, and that's just the way
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: it is, like they don't want to talk about it,
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: but just is and there's these are people that have
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: like numbers, big followings and stuff, but it's not it's
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: not really accurate. Some of it is, but not all
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: of it. And then it's like a big cultural appropriation
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: piece is uh, it makes us way through what's called
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: kurandurandrismo brehetia a lot of myand mystery stuff. It brushes
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: shoulders a lot. But during twenty twelve especially, but before then,
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: kind of like more tourists would come to the Yucatan Peninsula,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: do these kind of retreats with some kind of my
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: elders called demascals. Was just like a sweat lodge, but
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: they were import Vedic chakras. Now, the problem here is that,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: first of all, it's not just cultural appropriation of two
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: cultures of like Veda cultures and maso American cultures, and
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: like incorporating chakras into rituals that are calling Maya gods
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: and various saints and stuff like that, it just becomes
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: a mess. Besides just becoming a mess, meso America has
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: two distinct systems of energy bodies, Like we have one
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: system that's thirteen energy bodies, another that's twenty, and these
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: are exclusively meso American, like authentically. So it's like, why
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: are we culturally appropriate? Why are we using the seven
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: chakra American chakra system. It's because people with money know
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: what it is and they'll get all into it and
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: then they'll bring their yoga mats and stuff. So yeah,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of cleanup that needs to happen, because again,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: the worst, the worst thing that happens with this is
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: that covers up real Mayan magic. I am happy to
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: see more Mayan astrology get pushed forward because it is
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: the most well preserved out of all the Mayas, of
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: all the Maya magic systems, because the day Keeper Association
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: has kept it alive and they're very strong Gooing and
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: in Guatemala. But there's many more systems to maso America.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: There's you know, and I could chalk them up several ways.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Academia chalks them up into five. As a practitioner, I
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: chalk them up to like ten. But they don't necessarily
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: have to follow that format. It's just that's kind of
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: my articulation as a practitioner, but also as a researcher
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: and a historian. That's why it's like I so I've
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: earned the title I guess you could say as a brujo.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: But the thing is, I prefer the term occultist because
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: there's an added stewardship with that term, Like I do
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: research this stuff, but I do practice it as well,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: and that balance is something that I think the community
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: as a whole need. So there's many more systems that
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: should be kind of like on the rise. Like Belize
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: has done a great job maintaining the more deific system
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: of magic. There are certain traditions I would I would
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: argue my family has had a better run at maintaining
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: the cosmological structure system, meaning that there's like places you
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: can journey to so in a shamanic way, and then
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: there's shamanic like straight up shamanic models to go off of.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: But there's more than simply the time magic. Just the
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: time magic is most well preserved. And you can actually
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: find good books on my astrology, like I recommend Bruce
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Schofields How to Practice my Astrology, Kenneth Johnson's My An
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Astrology Book. These are amazing books. But as far as
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: like a Mayan magic book, I can't really recommend one
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: right now, because there's there are some that are out there.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: They don't explicitly say they're magic, but they have some
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: magic in them or you can take magic cues from them,
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: but a lot of them have they're riddled with a
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: lot of kind of like culturally appropriated in accuracies. And
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: that was to like twenty twelve, like let's put this
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: stuff in there so it sells well.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: Was there anything else like what honestly with mind astrology,
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: I really don't know much about that stuff. So is
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: there anything else that you would like to kind of
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: like touch on or even mentioned it, but that stuff
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: that maybe you try to do differently.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Or well, I think, well, like why does it matter?
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: You know? Like I think these a lot of these
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: questions can be applied to esotericism and the occult in general.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: But I will argue that there is an added necessity
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: for the indigenous peoples of the Americas and their magic
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: to be brought to the forefront. If we look at
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: fourteen ninety two, the planet was basically cut in half,
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: and then after fourteen ninety two, we kind of had
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: the two hemispheres of the earthly brain geographically speaking, kind
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: of connecting, and these two vastly different cosmologies or various cosmologies,
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: right because we're also Tungking Asia and Africa coming together.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: I think a lot has to be reconciled between all
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: these cosmologies. But let's just talk basics, like some basic
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: needs that need to be met by the human race.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Modern seekers are longing for some kind of ancient truth
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: that organized religion fails to nourish, and they are continuously
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: failing to nourish. As a veteran of the War on Terror,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: I can tell you right now there's no point in
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: nuking each other for the interests of any of the
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: three major religions over there, Like, are we really going
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: to are people from all kinds of traditions and all
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: kinds of like ethnicities and cultures supposed to like conscribe
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: their kids to be drafted into an army to go
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: fight for a conflict for the return of some kind
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: of messiah that is not representative of them. And it's
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: just not true, Like you know, it's like no religion
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: is worth killing in the name of any god for,
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: and no religion is most certainly it's not not worth
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: nuking the planet for, because that's what we could do.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: That's what a religious conflict like has been risking doing
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: now for a long time, and it will increase the risk.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: We need to preserve this planet because I'm not even
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: coming from a hippie dippy point of view with this.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: I'm coming from like a more an atheistic scientist's point
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: of view with this. We're not getting off this planet.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: And even if we were to get off this planet,
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: it's not going to be the common person that can
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: afford it. What I get off this planet. We need
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: to preserve this planet. Neil de Grassy Tyson likes to
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: say it's like as a critique to like Elon Musk's
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: like terraforming of Mars for a fraction of the price,
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: you could just clean up the Earth, like you would
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: bankrupt the planet like ten times over to try and
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: ter reform Mars. We need to preserve this place, like
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: this place is actually hospitable to us, and not even
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: the whole planet's a hospitable to us, like the vast
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: majority of the universe. Brian Cox is another great astrophysicist.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: He asked a question like what was that.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: I've heard that name before.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a famous astrophysicist from Britain, And he was
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: asked like, what is the worst place in the universe
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: for humans? And he was like everywhere, Like because even
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: the planet, if you go a little bit above Everest,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: you can't survive there. If you go a little bit
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: deeper in the water, you can't survive there. There's like
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: really only thin strips of the planet that are actually
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: hospitable to us. And we need to start not just maintain,
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: We're going to need to start rebuilding this so that
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: we have more longevity period. From a purely like materialistic standpoint,
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: like it just makes sense. So there's plenty of obstacles
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: in the way of like environmental improvement and like the
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: ending of warfare. Right, I'm not delusional. We're always going
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: to have wars and conflicts, but we don't need one
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: for religious conflict, like it is the least necessary conflict
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: that we need. And rising fundamentalism and extremism threatened like
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: social equality threatens the earth, threatens global peace. And a
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: lot of this fundamentalism is motivated by religious narratives or
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: racial narratives that are they like to say they're based
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: in religion something like that. And most notably why my
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: in astrology is important, to why esotericism and authentic spirituality
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: is important, is that we are humanity. We're at a
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: very critical crossroads right now. I don't think that's an understatement,
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: and I don't even as a historian, especially like even
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: this week with what has been released. You know, there
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: have been like very outspoken, like levels of corruption through
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: human history, like even in US history, like Grant's presidency.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: But what makes this kind of corruption unprecedented is that
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: there's just no fucking excuse for it. Part of my
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: language like, like, there's no excuse for ignorance in the market,
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: like for basic ignorance. You know, I'm saying it's like
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: there should be no racial superiority now because the Human
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Genome Project and various other projects have like dispelled this.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Like Jesse Owens won the Olympics in Berlin prior to
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: World War two, you know, like he beat Hitler. You know,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: before World War two he beat the Uberminch. You know,
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: like all of this, we're fighting over fiction, you know
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. It's like I can understand fighting over food.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: I can understand fighting over it like tangible things, but
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: there's no reason why we need to be fighting for
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: some kind of superiority narrative or some kind of religious
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: narrative which is based upon whether and I'm not saying
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: religion is absolutely faked, but it is largely conjecture and
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: subjective experience, and we do not need to be killing
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: each other over it. And that's where authentic spirituality can
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: come into play, is that we need to fight these
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: kinds of things, especially with the rise of a I'm
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: not anti AI, but the thing is that kind of
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: like with nukes, right, you don't just want them launching
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: every day, like you don't want it untethered, and we're
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: going to have to navigate this new frontier with LLLMS
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: evolving into AI. It's just kind of like a new
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: frontier that is uncertain, am I. Geostrology, if you will,
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: offers a way to align with the natural currents of
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: reality that are going on and flowing with cosmic rhythm
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: more or less into a more fulfilling life, and that
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: means accepting the hard truths as well. Like it doesn't
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: mean everything is going to be peaceful and you're gonna
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: win every single time, but you'll learn how to navigate
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: your losses better. I mean, and that like real esotericism
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: is not it goes beyond manifestation. Manifestation is just all
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: like this positive vibes and delusion. It's not unlike what
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: conventional religion tries to feed people to just keep people
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: on the bus and keep people paying. Real esotericism and
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: aclosism is very uncomfortable, and you're going to come up
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: against a lot uglies of life there, and things like
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: my astrology can help you navigate those things like many
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: other systems.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: Well said, I get that from a practitioner's point of view.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: For what you're saying for sure. Nice, Uh oh, is
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: there anything else you wanted to mention before? It's almost
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: an hour now, sometimes we only go like an hour
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: and a half. I try to keep it at that. Now,
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: was there anything else you wanted to say? And maybe
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: wrap it up here?
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: Now I'll just say that like going forward, I guess
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: I'll tie this a little bit more into the Epstein stuff.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: You can't spoil anything because but it will be an
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: ongoing series. I really encourage anybody that's interested in the
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: occult to look at up to get into it because
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: every step of the way we're going to have to
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: really address some things to make sure we're getting this
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: as right as possible. We're not going to demystify absolutely everything,
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: but I guarantee you what you think they are doing
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: there is probably elements of truth, but it's not exactly
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: what it is. So for instance, like, okay, so let's
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: do this, what was Epstein doing on the island with
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: these children? Right that he was trafficking a lot of
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: people want to say it's like it's satan, right, And
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you this much that it's not that simple.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: But what you could describe it as in like public
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: vernacular words would probably be described as satanic behavior, but
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: it is not satanism as in like not even in
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: like the ai theistic argument, Like it's most certainly not
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: atheistic satanism. Atheistic satanism in this discussion is absolutely like
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: in negative numbers, it's like completely irrelevant. But it's not
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: even theistic satanism. So it's like it is much more
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: multi layered than that. It's much more complex than that.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: But what we will have to dispel is kind of
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: some preconceived notions about what Satanism is in order to
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: get on the same page. And I'm so surprised at
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: like how many people just aren't aware of the history
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: of like where the majority of that lore, where the
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: majority of the sensationalism comes from, where the majority of
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: like Christian mythos actually comes from, is not. And their
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: ideas of saying don't come from the Bible, they don't
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: come from the Torah. They come from pop culture references,
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: to to be quite honest, or like older pop culture,
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: like middle age pop culture, and is what we would
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: call culture. And these things need to be dispelled because
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: it's going to give us a better look into how
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: powerful their magic was. I'll say this much more to like,
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: what they were putting together on that island was highly professional.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: What they were putting together was certainly eclectic, but it
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: was all well informed. And I do want to roughle
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: on any feathers, but like what they were putting together
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: based upon the evidence is at a higher level of
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: sophistication than what we see in even good examples of
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: eclectic witchcraft. It's higher level than what we have seen
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: like Thelemic organizations put together in their rituals, and is
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: higher level than what the Golden Dawn put together and
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: their rituals say it a lot. It is and there
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: are some grand implications here, one of which is that
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: these are the most rich and powerful people and actually
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: scientifically informed. They're not just superstitious. A fun fact about
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: Epstein and the island. He hosted many scientific conferences there,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: the cutting edge science to bleed into like quantum physics,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: like to really push the envelope. And he was very
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: good friends with Stephen Hawking, had him on the island,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: gave him a private submarine tour because he had never
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: been in the water before. So these guys weren't superstitious
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: and just falling into the kind of the passion play
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: of magic. They really believed in something real and tangible.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: So what's the implication of that? Though for the normal
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: person like this, this stuff works like it if they
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: are willing to believe it, right, if they are willing
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: to invest that kind of infrastructure, money and risk the
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: kind of risk it takes to do this shadowy stuff.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: It works enough to like try doing. And it doesn't
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: mean like doing the nefarious stuff. It means it's worth
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: trying to explore. It's worth trying to explore systems of
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: magic that work, that have efficacy. There's a lot of
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: grand implications here, and I will say that In twenty
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: nineteen was the first footage released by a gentleman named
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: rush D Shackleford an alias. But this individual purchased a
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: drone hit it to the Virgin Islands to drone footage
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: of the whole island surface. But there was another independent
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: media source called O'Keefe Media Group that had released footage
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: and photos from inside the temple. What's inside the temple?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: And I'll be going over like the generalities the construction
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: of the temple and the other symbology on the island.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: But there is a single singular image icon inside the temple,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: of which the implications are are massive because and I
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: think the reason why one reason, well, I can't even
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: from a Western perspective, I can't believe nobody has really
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: talked about this. But I believe the take that I'm
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: going to present is very exclusive because I am a
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: practitioner of the indigenous peoples of the Americas, most notably
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: the Maya. Because there are some things that can only
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: be articulated from historical events that have transpired in meso America,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: and it ties various events and organizations together in a
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: symbolic fashion of how we as a cultist talk through symbols,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: the implications of which I believe are Earth's shaking.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: So I even think, like these family crests and ship
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: you know, stuff like that, they're saying a lot in
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: those symbols.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: People understand family crests, dynasty crests.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, stuff like that a lot.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: It says a lot. Now, specifically, if you know the
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: historical context and where certain events are happening, the implications
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: rise and magnitude.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Ye what you mean by that?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: That's awesome, man, I am really looking forward to doing
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: that and maybe, like I said, maybe after you put
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: out a few episodes, you can come audit like drop
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: some stuff to promote, you know, what you're doing over
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: the interesting.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I believe it's very important work. I think
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: it's I think it's important work, not just for the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: sake of some kind of disclosure. I think it really
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: has the potential to set the record straight on a
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: lot of occult practices because we have to dispel certain
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: perceptions of things in order to get the information right.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: And a lot of even practitioners don't know some of
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: these basic things of the history. They just kind of
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: blanket over certain things. Like they do know that, like
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: there's more to life than just Jesus and Satan, but
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: they're about one or two layers deep, and we're gonna
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: have to unfold some layers in order to get to
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: the meat of this one.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: No, No, I get that too.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: Like even as a you know, as an occult is
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: you know, when I first thought in my show, you know,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: there was a lot of things I would have liked
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: to got into it, maybe even covered at first, but
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: and like I would have had to like do so
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: much backstory to even like get people to even see
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: where you're coming from because of how I guess certain
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: things have been widely misconceived, you know, by the public.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, hear what you're saying with that stuff. Yeah, well,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: thank you very much, man. I mean that was interesting.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: Shit.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: Again, like I don't know anything about that stuff, so
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: Mayan and all that stuff I do know, And like
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: I was saying to you prior, a lot of occultists
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: seem to be very interested in going down there for
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: some reason or have got.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: Interested, and I think for good reason. And let me
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: again say this, like brought up that stats. There's about
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty to one hundred and forty pyramids
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: in Egypt, and we're not going to find anything more
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: than that. Even if there's something underneath Giza, it's still
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: not going to be anything substantial to like what we'll
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: find in maso America, just because there's literally a lost
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: city discovered every at least six months in meso America,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: like a brand new city with many pyramids. There are
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: as of ten years ago, even before LDAR became more commonplace,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: there was around ten thousand pyramids within meso America. That's
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: a lot more than Egypt, Greece, Rome, and Pagan Europe
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: combined and the Near East as far as like monolithic
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: magical temples. There's a lot of power there to be had,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of energy to be directed from there,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: and it's native to us, and it has to be
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: the next frontier of magic. And part of that comes
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: from every magical system needs to be approached with respect
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: and like the right kind of cultural context, because it's
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: like if you approach your firearm without the appropriate cultural
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: or without the appropriate the appropriate like customs and courtesies,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: you're not going to have a good shot. And that's
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: the same kind of way I see a lot of
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: occult things and mechanisms. So it is the next frontier,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: and things like the astrology are most certainly of the
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: most importance because timing. Look at how importance timing and
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: geography is to any kind of a cultism that you
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: go through. That's something that's the astrology and geostrology. It
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: blends both kind of like time based calculations and magical
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: timing with magical geography.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: As soon as you get into planetary magic, you be
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: paying attention to that ship.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: Yes, you know there's a there is a school specifically
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: of or a system of Mayann planetary magic too, which
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: I'm uncovering because from everything we're digging up in our
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: tracing back in our family, like that's where my family
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: may have come from, is the planetary tradition. So we
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: have different planetary names for the seven traditional planets, and
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: their features are what they're what they kind of translate
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: to being called. So there's a lot to go through,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: there's a lot to uncover, and I do think that
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: it's the next great contributor to esotericism as a whole
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: going forward.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: Well, thank you, Uh yeah, you want to plug your
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: stuff again, Actually let people know what they can.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: You can find me on substack mystery Codex with Solomon
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: Pacall or go to Solomon Pacall dot com. That is
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: the subsequ will take you straight there. Epstein is for
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: paid subscribers only due to the sensitive nature. You can
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: find me on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and sub stack. Those
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: are going to be my platforms Solomon Pacaul on all
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: of those.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: Thank you very much, sir, and uh yeah again, like
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: I said, if you don't mind, maybe in the future
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: you come back and talk a little bit more about
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: that Epstein stuff.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Everybody in the chat, thank you. That's what's up.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: I appreciate everybody there, and I appreciate all the comments,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: and uh yeah, until the next one.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Everybody be well.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Later, close your eyes, look into the darkness, find the
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: blazing star, focus on and it become the eclipse. Don't
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: fear that the show will be dead in death, very show.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 4: Baby girl.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: I don