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Hour 2: Lindsay Clancy trial · Curtis Sliwa & Larry Mendte In The Morning

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  Speaker 1: John Decker, WOR White House and Washington correspondent and host
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  Speaker 1: of the podcast, The White House Briefing Room with John Decker.
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  Speaker 1: You can find that in the iHeartRadio app, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: It really gets you started for the day. Everything coming
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  Speaker 1: out of Washington, he covers. But let's start, John. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for joining us again. Let's start with the Trump administration
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  Speaker 1: announcing what they said was the biggest oil deal of
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  Speaker 1: all time, which gives them access to 65 billion barrels
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  Speaker 1: of of oil reserves in Venezuela. I think his hope
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  Speaker 1: is that the oil prices will come down before people
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  Speaker 1: start making decisions about the midterms. But I would believe
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  Speaker 1: it would take a little bit longer than that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're right.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there are a lot of things that need
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  Speaker 3: to happen before we see gas prices come down as
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  Speaker 3: a result of this oil deal that the president announced
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  Speaker 3: first on social media over the weekend.
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  Speaker 4: These are oil patches, essentially.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not necessarily true that oil is going to
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  Speaker 3: start gushing out of these patches. So that's problem number one.
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  Speaker 3: Literally billions of dollars needs to be invested to extract
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  Speaker 3: that oil. And the oil itself is not going to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, essentially get to gas stations all across the
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  Speaker 3: country with the oil that the president's referring to. it
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  Speaker 3: would be used to replenish the strategic petroleum reserves, which
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  Speaker 3: have been depleted significantly by 40% since the beginning of
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  Speaker 3: this conflict with Iran. So that is really the goal here. And,
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  Speaker 3: of course, the president's hope of seeing gas prices, at
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  Speaker 3: least oil prices, come down were dashed because of now
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  Speaker 3: the resumption of the military conflict over the weekend. involving
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  Speaker 3: the United States and Iran.
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  Speaker 5: All right, John Decker, put your constitutional hat on to
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  Speaker 5: the United States Supreme Court, which back to back has
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  Speaker 5: dealt with the president's desire to complete his ballroom underneath
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  Speaker 5: the White House, the 90,000 square foot ballroom. There was
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  Speaker 5: an issue, a statement, now the full court ruled on it.
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  Speaker 5: I think people look at that and they say, John,
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  Speaker 5: sometimes it takes years for an issue to get to
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  Speaker 5: be reviewed by the United States Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 4: Why is this going so rapidly? How can it go
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  Speaker 4: so rapidly?
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  Speaker 3: It's going so rapidly because of emergency appeals that have
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  Speaker 3: been filed by the Trump administration. They have lost it,
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  Speaker 3: both the trial court and the appellate court level. They
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  Speaker 3: made an emergency appeal today.
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  Speaker 4: To the U.S.
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  Speaker 3: Supreme Court. And we were surprised yesterday with a decision
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  Speaker 3: that was rendered by all nine justices yesterday, five to
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  Speaker 3: four decision. And the majority ruled that the entity that
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  Speaker 3: was bringing this lawsuit in the first place did not
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  Speaker 3: have legal standing to bring this constitutional issue to the
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  Speaker 3: courts in the first place. What does that mean? It
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  Speaker 3: means that the entity that brought the lawsuit was not
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  Speaker 3: harmed in any way. And for that reason, the Supreme
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  Speaker 3: Court said, we're not going to essentially stop any kind
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  Speaker 3: of construction on that ballroom, which has been going on
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  Speaker 3: for months. It takes place 20 hours a day, seven
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  Speaker 3: days a week, and the work continues. Interestingly enough, writing
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  Speaker 3: a dissenting opinion was the Chief Justice of the U.S.
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  Speaker 3: Supreme Court. He joined the three liberal justices, in saying
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  Speaker 3: that he believes that the administration would ultimately lose because
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  Speaker 3: he believes that because Congress has not given approval to
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  Speaker 3: this project, the project should not move forward.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get back to Iran for a
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  Speaker 1: moment because I was surprised when Donald Trump yesterday said
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  Speaker 1: that he's not really sure if they're talking to the
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  Speaker 1: right people. He's not really sure of who is in
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  Speaker 1: charge right now. He said, I don't even think they
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  Speaker 1: know who's in charge in Iran. Can you comment on
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  Speaker 1: that and tell us, do we know who's in charge
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  Speaker 1: of Iran?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, there are three entities that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: have been dealing with this conflict. One is the mullahs,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the supreme leader always has essentially a seat
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  Speaker 3: at the table and making these very important decisions.
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  Speaker 4: On behalf of Iran.
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  Speaker 3: Then you have the political leadership in Iran, individuals like
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  Speaker 3: the speaker of the Iranian parliament, And then you have
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  Speaker 3: the IRGC, the Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps. They too have
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  Speaker 3: a seat at the table. So that's the way that
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  Speaker 3: Iran is run. And essentially, you have to get an
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  Speaker 3: assent from all three of those types of individuals that
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  Speaker 3: I mentioned before anything is agreed to in Iran, especially
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  Speaker 3: something as important as ending the war or bringing a
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  Speaker 3: halt to the fighting between the United States and Iran.
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  Speaker 3: So that's who essentially has been running Iran.
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  Speaker 4: That's who the U.S.
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  Speaker 3: Has been dealing with for the most part. So, for instance, Larry,
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  Speaker 3: when way back on April the 11th, when Vice President J.D.
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  Speaker 4: Vance led a U.S.
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  Speaker 3: Delegation, they met with Iranian negotiators in Islamabad. They were
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  Speaker 3: simply meeting with the political leadership of Iran. And then
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  Speaker 3: they'd have to take what was proposed by the U.S.
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  Speaker 3: to those other two entities before getting assent. And obviously,
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  Speaker 3: all three bodies that I'm describing have not agreed in
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  Speaker 3: any way to ending this war or, for that matter,
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  Speaker 3: reopening the Strait of Hormuz.
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  Speaker 4: You mentioned Vice President J.D.
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  Speaker 6: Vance.
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  Speaker 5: He went to attempt to deal with Maine and the
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  Speaker 5: Republican Party there. He would not answer any questions about
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  Speaker 5: the economic war against Canada, the tariff war. He was
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  Speaker 5: in Michigan, wouldn't answer any questions about that. That's obviously
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  Speaker 5: a midterm issue in some of the border states. Do
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  Speaker 5: you see that being resolved? Because that certainly does hurt
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  Speaker 5: our border states because of their trade back and forth
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  Speaker 5: with Canada.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, you're right, Curtis.
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  Speaker 3: And it's one of those issues that could lead to
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  Speaker 3: the defeat of Susan Collins, who's a Republican running for office.
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  Speaker 3: another term in the U.S. Senate, and she is the
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  Speaker 3: only Republican running for re-election in a state won in
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  Speaker 3: 2024 by Kamala Harris. So she has some headwinds. And
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  Speaker 3: now there's another headwind, and that's this trade war or
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  Speaker 3: trade dispute between the United States and Canada. And there
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  Speaker 3: are other border states, as you mentioned, Curtis, that are
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  Speaker 3: dealing with this because of the enormous amount of trade
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  Speaker 3: between the United States and Canada involving places like Michigan
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  Speaker 3: and and Iowa. And interestingly enough, there are Senate races
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  Speaker 3: there as well. You asked me, will it get resolved?
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  Speaker 3: I think that Susan Collins and those other Republicans that
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  Speaker 3: are running in November certainly hope it gets resolved soon
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  Speaker 3: because it is making their life more difficult in terms
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  Speaker 3: of trying to win re-election, in her case, to the
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  Speaker 3: Senate and in some other cases to Congress for Republicans
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  Speaker 3: that represent districts that border Canada. And so we'll see
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  Speaker 3: what happens. You know, right now it doesn't look like
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  Speaker 3: there is any movement in terms of resolving that trade dispute.
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  Speaker 1: The Trump administration and several Republicans, by the way, are
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  Speaker 1: blasting Prime Minister Mark Carney. They're saying he didn't want
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  Speaker 1: a deal all along, that they had a deal. And
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  Speaker 1: at the last minute, he pulled out of it. He
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  Speaker 1: won election on this issue of being anti-Trump and anti-American.
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  Speaker 1: and his popularity has gone up since this tariff deal
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  Speaker 1: has happened. Exactly the opposite in our country, but in Canada, apparently.
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  Speaker 4: This is popular. Yeah, he is.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we're talking about like super popular, like an 80%
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  Speaker 3: approval rating right now for Mark Carney. And you're right, Larry,
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  Speaker 3: he did campaign on getting tough or remaining tough with
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  Speaker 3: the United States as it relates to trade negotiations. And
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  Speaker 3: he's following through in that promise. So, difficult to see how,
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's any concession made by Canada when, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he's popular in the positions that he's taken so far
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  Speaker 3: in this trade dispute. That also makes it difficult to
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  Speaker 3: get to the point where this trade dispute is resolved.
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  Speaker 5: Speaking of disputes, the president has jumped in both feet
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  Speaker 5: on the proliferation of the AI data filing centers throughout America,
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  Speaker 5: in blue states, red states, it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 5: And yesterday, I don't think he made any verbal statements,
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  Speaker 5: but he published on Truth Social simply that if you're
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  Speaker 5: opposed to these data centers, then I guess you want
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  Speaker 5: to end up being backwards and poor and not successful
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  Speaker 5: and rich. I do not think that is a successful strategy,
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  Speaker 5: because if he would listen to Governor Abbott, who's done
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  Speaker 5: a pirouette in some of the other red states, he'd
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  Speaker 5: realize there's a lot of anger in communities who just
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  Speaker 5: don't want them in their backyard, do not want them
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  Speaker 5: within proximity to their homes.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned Governor Abbott of Texas. A lot of Republicans,
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  Speaker 3: you know, have essentially done 180s on their position on
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  Speaker 3: these data centers, initially very much for them in their communities.
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  Speaker 3: in districts, simply because of the potential for economic prosperity,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the jobs that it would potentially create in
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  Speaker 3: their districts or in their communities. But now they realize
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  Speaker 3: it's not popular with their constituents. And that's the reason
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  Speaker 3: for the reversals that we've seen being made by a
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  Speaker 3: number of Republican politicians. So the president not only essentially
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  Speaker 3: listening to what Governor Abbott is saying, putting out that
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  Speaker 3: post on Truth Social. And this is another one of
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  Speaker 3: those issues in some communities, not all, but in some
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  Speaker 3: communities that could impact who controls the House after the
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  Speaker 3: November midterm elections.
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  Speaker 1: John Decker, WOR White House correspondent and Washington correspondent and
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  Speaker 1: host of the podcast, The White House Briefing Room with
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  Speaker 1: John Decker. John, as always, thanks a lot. Great to
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  Speaker 1: talk to you.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks, Larry. Thanks, Curtis.
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  Speaker 4: Have a great day. Talk to you soon.
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  Speaker 1: Well, over the weekend, NASA launched a telescope into space.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't just any telescope. This is much more powerful
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  Speaker 1: than the Hubble telescope. And by the way, the name
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  Speaker 1: of the telescope, is the Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope.
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  Speaker 1: So you might ask, who is Nancy Grace Roman? She
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  Speaker 1: was born in 1925, and she went on to work
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  Speaker 1: at NASA. She is called the mother of Hubble. She
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  Speaker 1: was the first female executive with NASA. She was the
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  Speaker 1: chief of astronomy, and she is the one that shepherded
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  Speaker 1: through the Hubble Telescope, which has given us a wealth
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  Speaker 1: of information. So they named this new telescope after her.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to go out in space, so it's not
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  Speaker 1: going to have the same restrictions as a telescope down here.
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  Speaker 1: And it's going to keep turning, and it's going to
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  Speaker 1: keep sending us information about other solar systems, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to get to this in a second, in dark matter.
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  Speaker 9: It's got 100 times the field of view of Hubble.
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  Speaker 9: It's like a wide-angle lens on the universe. And it's
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  Speaker 9: also got this panorama mode. It'll sweep the sky, so
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  Speaker 9: it covers the sky 1,000 times as fast as Hubble.
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  Speaker 1: That's the head of NASA, Sean Donegal-Goldman, who also talked
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  Speaker 1: about when we're going to finally start getting information back.
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  Speaker 9: We're going to start getting data just to calibrate the telescope,
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  Speaker 9: you know, within about a week of launch. But the
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  Speaker 9: real exciting part is going to come in about 90
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  Speaker 9: days after launch. That's when we'll have our first images
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  Speaker 9: that we'll release to the public.
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  Speaker 1: And Bill Nye, the science guy, is still around. And
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  Speaker 1: Bill Nye says this is what they really want to
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  Speaker 1: find out.
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  Speaker 10: What we're looking for with this thing... among other things,
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  Speaker 10: is dark matter, dark energy. And this seems to be,
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  Speaker 10: or rather it is, a force in the cosmos that
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  Speaker 10: is just not understood. And so this is really nominally
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  Speaker 10: a very, very exciting time if we can learn more
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  Speaker 10: about this.
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  Speaker 5: First of all, I hate Bill Nye, the science guy.
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  Speaker 5: I had to watch him with my three sons. I
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  Speaker 5: hated every second of it. By the way, you said
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  Speaker 5: Nancy Grace. Nobody is going to think of that woman
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  Speaker 5: you were talking about. They're going to think of Court
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  Speaker 5: TV Nancy Grace. How stupid could NASA be?
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  Speaker 4: Well, that was her name. What do you mean how
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  Speaker 4: stupid could it be? Because you're going to think it's
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  Speaker 4: Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to say, well, we're going to change
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  Speaker 1: the name of her. Her full name is Nancy Grace Roman.
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  Speaker 11: Just take Grace out, Nancy Roman, then you would never
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  Speaker 11: have any confusion.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't want to take Grace out, so why don't
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  Speaker 1: we go by what she has.
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  Speaker 4: Who cares if they don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Who it is?
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  Speaker 12: Nancy G.
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  Speaker 3: Roman.
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  Speaker 4: Man, you guys worry about the weirdest things.
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  Speaker 5: Why don't we just go back to Galileo's original telescope
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  Speaker 5: and land some men and women on the moon? My God,
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  Speaker 5: since 69, we haven't been landing people on the moon.
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  Speaker 4: What is so difficult about this?
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  Speaker 12: Give him some Nutella, get him to the moon.
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  Speaker 1: Note to self, don't talk technology with Curtis ever again.
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  Speaker 4: All right, got it.
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  Speaker 5: You sure Nutella is not sponsoring this telescope?
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  Speaker 4: I'm positive they're not. I'm positive they're not. I'm positive
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  Speaker 4: that was just an accident.
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  Speaker 5: The first image is you see that Nutella jar floating
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  Speaker 5: around in space.
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  Speaker 1: I think of the 97 conspiracies you've talked about on
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  Speaker 1: this show, I think that was the first one.
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  Speaker 10: I do.
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  Speaker 4: I believe that was the first conspiracy. Let's get some talkbacks.
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  Speaker 1: What is the difference?
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  Speaker 3: Guilty?
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  Speaker 1: Innocent, guilty by reason of insanity, guilty because she's a murderer.
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  Speaker 4: Who's going to take care of this woman forever? We are.
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  Speaker 4: So for that reason alone, they need to put her down.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's not going to happen. They don't have
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  Speaker 1: the death penalty in Massachusetts, but I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she should breathe another breath. I'm furious
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  Speaker 1: over this case.
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  Speaker 13: We live in sick, sad times when the likes of
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  Speaker 13: Luigi Mangione and Lindsay Clancy have fan clubs that are
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  Speaker 13: rooting for them to the core. It's really sick. Sick
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  Speaker 13: and getting sicker. But Lindsay Clancy reminds me of the
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  Speaker 13: whole Lizzie Borden story. So maybe she's the new Lindsay Borden.
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  Speaker 13: Shows you that there's always been sick people in this world.
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  Speaker 4: Lindsey Borden. What was that? New Bedford, Fall River, Massachusetts?
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  Speaker 4: Very good. Yes, it was in the 1800s. I spent
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  Speaker 4: a lot of time there. That's where I learned about
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  Speaker 4: the Cape Verdeans.
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  Speaker 7: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: And I learned about Lindsey Borden.
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  Speaker 5: But really, you have to go that far.
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  Speaker 10: Back, pal?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I love what he said about the people following. He
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  Speaker 1: can't believe that there's people supporting Luigi Mangione. He can't
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  Speaker 1: believe there's people... following lindsey grace as well i mean.
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  Speaker 4: It is you mean lindsey clancy.
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  Speaker 14: Now you got you got nancy grace in my head
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  Speaker 14: now i'm thinking to myself oh my god it's in
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  Speaker 14: my head now but when you have uh when you
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  Speaker 14: have people supporting people like that it explains our elections
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  Speaker 14: doesn't it there's people like that.
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  Speaker 15: Out there wow it's gonna take a while to get
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  Speaker 15: the oil out of venezuela So we shouldn't do it.
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  Speaker 15: Everything takes time. That's the stupidest reason I ever heard
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  Speaker 15: not to do something, because it's going to take time.
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  Speaker 1: I understand that. I get that. Everybody gets that. We're
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  Speaker 1: just talking about the effect on the midterm elections.
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  Speaker 4: But you're right.
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  Speaker 1: It's a long-term benefit. It's not going to help the
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  Speaker 1: Republicans win in the short term.
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  Speaker 6: I'm the same age as that other guy that works
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  Speaker 6: with Larry and I haven't stopped smoking pot since I
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  Speaker 6: was 13 years old. The only break I took was
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  Speaker 6: when my kids were very young and my wife didn't
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  Speaker 6: want it around. But once I could get away, I
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  Speaker 6: haven't stopped smoking.
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  Speaker 8: Ever, ever.
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  Speaker 4: Telling you. Maybe that's why he forgot your name.
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  Speaker 12: The other guy with Larry.
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  Speaker 4: That's a good one. He's smoking so much pot. That's
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  Speaker 4: a good one.
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  Speaker 12: I think there's other reasons.
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  Speaker 5: But again, it was a survey done that most pot
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  Speaker 5: users are 55 plus. Not millennials and Gen Zers, as
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  Speaker 5: we would have thought. But right now, let's get our
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  Speaker 5: news at 730.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on.
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  Speaker 16: You actually thought that younger people were smoking more than.
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  Speaker 5: Older people?
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  Speaker 4: You're talking to me?
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  Speaker 12: Either one of you. I'm just shocked that you guys
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  Speaker 12: thought that.
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  Speaker 16: I mean, maybe it's because I keep up with the
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  Speaker 16: news more than a lot of people do.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe it's because you smoke pot every night. Maybe that's
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  Speaker 4: the reason.
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  Speaker 12: Actually, I have to tell you, I've never tried this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I've never tried this stuff.
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  Speaker 7: Really?
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  Speaker 4: Really, I haven't. But, you know, know plenty of people
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  Speaker 4: who have. Well, Curtis has some. What time are we done?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 5: Better than Percocet. Better than taking those Percocets, you become
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  Speaker 5: an addict.
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  Speaker 16: There is rain in the forecast later today. That'll give
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  Speaker 16: you a headache, possibly. Could be heavy, so the city's
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  Speaker 16: activated the storm emergency plan. Make sure that if you
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  Speaker 16: are in an area that's likely to flood, like a
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  Speaker 16: basement apartment, you have a plan to move to higher
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  Speaker 16: ground if the water does rise. And while the ride-in
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  Speaker 16: should be okay, give yourself some extra time on the
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  Speaker 16: ride home. An internal investigation is underway in yesterday's deadly
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  Speaker 16: standoff in Times Square. Police shooting and killing a knife-wielding
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  Speaker 16: woman who stabbed at least one person and threatened to
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  Speaker 16: attack the others.
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  Speaker 8: Cops say that the attacker had a documented mental health
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  Speaker 8: 2018 and 2019. All of this chaos unfolding here in
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  Speaker 8: Times Square where thousands of tourists come to each and
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  Speaker 8: that a suspect was shot and killed.
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• 19:06
  Speaker 17: is launching a new mapping feature allowing the public to
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  Speaker 16: John Galliano is apologizing for anti-Semitic remarks and any pain
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• 19:27
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• 19:35
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  Speaker 5: Notice every day it's either a person with a major
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: depressive disorder, bipolar, schizophrenia, psychotic disorders who commits a violent crime.
• 19:45
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  Speaker 2: You notice there's a pattern here in New York City.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Every day there's a major crime situation involving somebody either
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: who has major depressive disorder, they're bipolar, they have schizophrenia,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: they have psychotic disorders, people being pushed in the tracks, stabbed, beaten.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: And now the gateway to the world. was the focus
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: of a woman who clearly has some mental impairments. She
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: happened to be walking right in front of the old
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: Red Lobster location that Natalie, we had gone to for
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: the final, all the shrimp you could eat before they closed.
• 21:02
  Speaker 12: Couldn't get a bigger, more populated area.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: So she had two knives. And a husband and a
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: wife are getting out of the subway station there, and
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: she stabs the man. Luckily, he survives that. She continues
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: to go north. She sees a woman about 32 years old,
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: stabs her. Unfortunately, she passes away. And then she gets
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: cornered by the NYPD right outside of the substation, the
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: very famous substation on 43rd, right between 7th and Broadway.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: And that's when they tell her in a four-minute conversation
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: back and forth, drop the knives. They hit her with
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: two tasers. Apparently, it did not have an impact. She
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: then charges them saying, I'm not dropping anything. I would
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: rather kill you both. And they fire shots that take
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: her life.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: But again, we've seen this over and over and over.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: And there'll be some out there who question why the
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: use of lethal force by the police.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Well, guess what? They're the ones responding. They're the ones there.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: They can't wait for a mental health unit or backup
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: or somebody maybe who has other materials that maybe could
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: have restrained her. They had to deal with this situation
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: on the spot, and they made the right decision.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: It's unfortunate.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: They say now this woman, Ms. Cisneros, that she had
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: two encounters, mental health history, 2018, 2019. That's a long
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: time ago. What's been happening in the interim? Because I
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: don't think she got better all of a sudden and
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: then all of a sudden this happened. So I think
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: we're going to find out much more in the coming
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: days about what, if any, help she was getting and
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: what were her demons that drove her to do this.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: But the problem is this is the same story all
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: the time. All the time.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: We hear this constantly. And yes, a couple of things.
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  Speaker 4: First of all.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: You were exactly right. What do you expect police to do?
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: But there's going to be people out there that say,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: why did you have to shoot her? Why did you
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: have to kill her? Because they don't want to die.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: It's self-defense at that point. Once she charges them, they
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: have no choice but to shoot her. You know, it
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: was the same exact thing that happened when those two
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: police officers... responded to a young adult that had mental
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: health issues that was threatening their own family.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: You remember this?
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: And they went in and at a certain point he
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: had a knife and he was coming at them and
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: they shot. Now, luckily they didn't kill him. They just
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: wounded him. But of course, what else were they going
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: to do? They were attacked at that point. You have
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: to stop assuming every single time that.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: The police are wrong.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Most police shootings are The vast majority are justified. But
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: because there's been a couple that didn't line up the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: way they should have and because a couple of people
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: shot at somebody when they shouldn't have. You decide every
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: single time the police use a gun, there's something the matter.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: There must be something off. There must be something wrong.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: There must be something more they can do. Many times,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: that is exactly what they're trained to do.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: What I would go back, though, and look is at
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: the tasers.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: I've seen situations where they've tasered a suspect that they
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: had surrounded, and it seems to enrage the suspect who
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: then lunges at them. That was clearly the case in
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: the case of this woman who lunged at them with
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: the knives out after they had told her to drop
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: the knives. I wonder if the tasers that they use
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: are powerful enough to knock a person down. I've certainly
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: seen tasers, when used appropriately, can knock down a guy
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: who's 6'8, 320 pounds. I'm just wondering if they're powerful enough.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe, maybe that is the problem, but most of the
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: time that they work. There are a few people, there's
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: a few exceptions of people that can't work. A lot
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: of times when they're pumped up on adrenaline, they can
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: keep moving forward. I think the bigger thing is the
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: fact that they had to shoot her. They had no
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: other choice. And you're right, I just can't believe there's
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: anybody out there saying, why would they have to shoot
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: this woman? Because there's just so many people out there
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that immediately say, it's anti-police. It's, oh, the police did
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the wrong thing. Oh, every time there's a police shooting, it's,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: oh my God, look, they did the wrong thing. No,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: just go ahead. There's video of this and there's a
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: lot of descriptions of it. Just go ahead constantly and
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: look back at what she said and how she lunged
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: at them. And then please, please say, well, these police
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: officers may have been heroes because she already stabbed two
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: people killing one and she would have stabbed more.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: You know, there are like three situations I run across
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: on a regular basis because I deal with the emotionally
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: disturbed all the time with the guardian angels. A, a
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: person who thinks people are putting implants in their head.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: And we say, well, clearly they're mentally impaired. Others who
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: think that there are harmful laser beams being guided at them.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: And then probably the one that triggers many violent actions
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: is People, if they do survive these situations, if they
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: are the people who are attacking indiscriminately, they'll claim that
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: they were commanded by hallucinations. They heard a voice that
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: commanded them to do something. And now we have to see,
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: was she on medication? Was she receiving treatment? Where was
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: she living? There's a whole background here that we have
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: to delve into because when I first started the Guardian
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: Angels in 1979, it was all gangs. The gangs were
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: the problem. Now, in almost every other case, it's an
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: emotionally disturbed person. Look, we were talking yesterday about that
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: woman was pushed into their tracks, an emotionally disturbed person.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: Another guy pushed into the tracks, an emotionally disturbed person.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: They live in the subways. They live in the streets.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: They roam about. At any moment, they could be triggered off.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: Do we even know who they are? Do we even
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: follow up on them or we just wait for this
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: explosion to take place? And then we start looking back
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: at their trace history and say, well, this should have
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: been done. This should have been done. I would say,
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: at least for right now, You just got to look
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: at that taser gun. Is it powerful enough to stop somebody?
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: Maybe.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I think what we have to look at is the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruling, O'Connor versus Donaldson in 1975, that said
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: you can't take the dangerously mentally ill off the streets
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: against their will because obviously you should.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Now, I understand the ruling. I get it.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: There was atrocities in some of the places that these
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: people were taken to. I understand that completely. but now
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: things have changed and people are dying and people are
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: getting killed at a regular basis on the street by
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the mentally ill and the mentally ill end up killing,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: you know, getting shot themselves, basically killing themselves through their actions.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: So we need someone, we need somebody out there to
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: challenge this and come up with a new way of
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: challenging it so it can make its way up to
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: the Supreme court. And finally, We can help the people
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: that are mentally ill on the streets by taking them
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: off the streets, even against their own will, and certainly
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the ones that are dangerous like this woman. When we
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: come back, well, it's Natalie Migliore time, and she's going
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: to talk with people about the thing that everybody is
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: talking about. And there's a couple of sides to this issue.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: The Nancy Clancy trial, the woman.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: That killed her. You mean Lindsay Clancy.
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: You're on this Nancy Grace thing for that telescope.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: I told you it was the worst name you could
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: have ever possibly given.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: To that telescope. You know what?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I was so trying to get the last name right,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I screwed up the first name. I was like, okay,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: don't say Nancy Grace again. The Lindsay Clancy trial, by
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the way, that's the woman that killed her own children.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Natalie Migliore coming up next.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: Now, it's 710WOR Speed on the Street with Natalie Migliore.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Natalie Migliore, I know you were down in the streets
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: soliciting comments on the Lindsay Clancy trial and deliberation of
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: the jury. What were the peeps saying out there?
• 29:35
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so today is day four of deliberations in the
• 29:38
  Speaker 11: Lindsay Clancy trial as jurors decided whether the former labor
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: and delivery nurse is criminally responsible for killing her three
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: children in their Massachusetts home before attempting to take her
• 29:49
  Speaker 11: own life a very serious issue and trial her attorney
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: Kevin Reddington says he never expected the case to get
• 29:58
  Speaker 11: this kind of attention and but it has worldwide actually
• 30:02
  Speaker 11: based on what I'm hearing in the streets. So are
• 30:05
  Speaker 11: people following the case?
• 30:07
  Speaker 12: I mean, I know what it is, but haven't been
• 30:09
  Speaker 12: following it.
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I've heard about it, but we're from New Zealand
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: and it's all over our news and all over social media.
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: On like social media?
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: Mostly on social media. And also like, I think I've
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: actively searched on it like one time. So mostly on
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: the internet.
• 30:23
  Speaker 18: I was actually watching it on Court TV, the live track.
• 30:27
  Speaker 12: Yeah, we had a dedicated watcher. watch the trial.
• 30:32
  Speaker 11: So speculation is swirling after the public had access to
• 30:35
  Speaker 11: several weeks worth of testimony and 300 exhibits to review,
• 30:40
  Speaker 11: including testimony from Clancy's ex-husband, who now lives in New
• 30:44
  Speaker 11: York City with his new wife, Patrick Clancy. Some say
• 30:48
  Speaker 11: Patrick did it. That's a lot of speculation on social media.
• 30:52
  Speaker 12: I know Larry and I have had it out.
• 30:56
  Speaker 11: But Lindsay has never disputed that she killed their children,
• 31:00
  Speaker 11: with her defense arguing she was in psychosis.
• 31:05
  Speaker 12: Bailey, who watched the trial, is invested.
• 31:08
  Speaker 18: I feel sorry for her, but I think most people
• 31:11
  Speaker 18: that murder people have mental problems, number one. But the method...
• 31:16
  Speaker 18: I'm looking at you in the eye right now. And
• 31:19
  Speaker 18: she was looking at her kids the same way I am,
• 31:23
  Speaker 18: but she wrapped a thing around. She was able to
• 31:27
  Speaker 18: complete three strangulations while looking into her children's face. I
• 31:32
  Speaker 18: don't think that psychosis, given all the evidence, the organization,
• 31:37
  Speaker 18: the planning, she knew the weapon, the calls. You know,
• 31:41
  Speaker 18: I listened to the child.
• 31:43
  Speaker 11: Now, people are closely monitoring what's happening online. for different
• 31:47
  Speaker 11: reasons too.
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: I work in healthcare, so this is something that really
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: interests me. And postpartum depression or depression for women with
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: growing up children, it's very common. And then I kind
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: of know someone, not really personally, but somebody who worked
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: also in healthcare. Something that you would never, never thought
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: that would happen to her. But she did also had
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: the same situation where she ended her life and also
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: her infant's life. It was like a total shocker for
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: everyone who knows about it.
• 32:19
  Speaker 11: So it's sort of a reality for people, especially this
• 32:22
  Speaker 11: healthcare worker who knew someone who was in his circle,
• 32:26
  Speaker 11: who sort of carried out the same act, okay? And
• 32:30
  Speaker 11: this case has become less about whodunit in a way
• 32:33
  Speaker 11: and more about what's being done regarding maternal mental health.
• 32:38
  Speaker 11: It has me asking people if they think we're doing
• 32:41
  Speaker 11: enough for postpartum mothers.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Well, I think if this happens, we aren't doing enough.
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: I think in terms of accessibility to mental health services,
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: it's not really that extensive yet because apparently we're hearing
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: cases that are happening all over the state.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: So I think we can do better on this. I
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: don't think in any case we're doing enough for mental
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: health issues.
• 33:02
  Speaker 12: So that's sort of where it is. People are, the
• 33:05
  Speaker 12: people who are paying attention to it are very, really
• 33:09
  Speaker 12: paying attention to it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: Larry and Curtis, Natalie, you know that I've been pretty
• 33:13
  Speaker 11: much into it, but I've fallen onto the conspiracy theory
• 33:17
  Speaker 11: side of Instagram.
• 33:19
  Speaker 12: So I get a lot of.
• 33:20
  Speaker 11: Different sort of information with people claiming, people claiming, you know,
• 33:26
  Speaker 11: that they're not necessarily on Patrick Clancy's side. He wasn't,
• 33:31
  Speaker 11: his testimony is sort of out of whack with other
• 33:33
  Speaker 11: testimony that's been given. But I know, Larry, you feel
• 33:37
  Speaker 11: passionately that this is going to be a guilty verdict
• 33:40
  Speaker 11: in terms of Lindsay Clancy and that she did it.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to be a guilty verdict,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: but I hope it is. I mean, if the world
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: is fair, those three little children deserve some type of
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: justice for what happened to them from their own mother. Look,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: as far as her husband goes, yeah, I don't think
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: he's a good human being. I don't think, I think
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: they had a bad marriage. I think he was probably
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: seeing somebody else. I get all of that. But I
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: don't think he did it. I think it's pretty obvious
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: who did it. Right.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: Well, she's admitted it. Her defense counsel has admitted it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: But why did this guy get married four months after?
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Just because he's a despicable human being,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: he's not a murderer.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? She is.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: She is a murderer. She's admitted to it. And now
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: she's trying to get away with it by saying, no,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I had postpartum depression.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: I don't care.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: But four days?
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: I don't care. Killed three.
• 34:38
  Speaker 12: Four days of deliberation. Don't you find that surprising?
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: I do. I do.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: And I think what they're, you know, it's some of them.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I hope most of them are life in prison without parole.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: And there's obviously one or two there. And I hope
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: it's only one or two. I don't know what's going
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: on there that are saying, no, no, no. You know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: it's postmortem depression. Let's do this. And going with a
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: lesser charge. So obviously the both sides aren't giving in.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: Well, as we wrap up, just know there is a
• 35:08
  Speaker 11: National Maternal Mental Health Hotline that can be reached at 1-833-TLC-MAMA, M-A-M-A,
• 35:14
  Speaker 11: just so people know.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Natalie Migliore is going to be back tomorrow at 7.50,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Trump Data Centers, after the 8 o'clock news.