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The Late Debate | 10 December · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, welcome the late dur Bay. Well, thanks for
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  Speaker 1: joining us on the Late Debate. I'm James Macpherson, with
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  Speaker 1: freyer Leitch and Caleb Bond coming up tonight. Illegal migrants
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  Speaker 1: would be immediately deported if they breached Australian values under
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  Speaker 1: a plan about to be unveiled by Opposition leader Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 1: But is it enough to keep one nation at bay?
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  Speaker 1: Queers for Palestine are about to get a big reality check.
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  Speaker 1: Iran and Egypt have been scheduled to play a pride
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  Speaker 1: match at next year's World Cup, but neither team is
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  Speaker 1: feeling particularly inclusive, and a new survey finds wealthy people
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  Speaker 1: are more likely to steal from self service checkouts than
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  Speaker 1: poorer people who wait to hear the justifications for taking
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  Speaker 1: grocery items without scanning them. They're pretty interesting and we'll
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  Speaker 1: detail them shortly. But first, boftens at Melbourne's Swinburne University.
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  Speaker 1: You have taken upon themselves to prove the old saying
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  Speaker 1: some ideas are so stupid only an academic could have
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  Speaker 1: come up with them. Swinburn's announced it will start issuing
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  Speaker 1: certificates to people not for graduating, but for dropping out.
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  Speaker 1: They say they want to remove the stigma suffered by
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  Speaker 1: university dropouts, and so from now on, if you drop out,
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  Speaker 1: you'll get an award. Non graduates will receive THEE and
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  Speaker 1: I quote Undergraduate Certificate of Higher Education Studies, a title
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  Speaker 1: so long it almost distracts from what the fact is
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  Speaker 1: that you didn't actually finish anything. You've got to wonder
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  Speaker 1: who's the vice chancellor at Swinburn these days? Is it
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  Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey. It's like you get an award, you get
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  Speaker 1: an award, you get an award. Honestly, you now get
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  Speaker 1: a degree for failing to complete a degree. Caleb, I
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  Speaker 1: remember when we used to call Australia the clever Country.
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  Speaker 1: I think those days are far far gone based on
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  Speaker 1: stuff like this.
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  Speaker 2: But I just don't see how it's going to work
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  Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form. Right, So we say
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  Speaker 2: because there part of their argument is that it means
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  Speaker 2: you'll be able to come back and pick your degree
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  Speaker 2: up later, so you don't have to go through the
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  Speaker 2: whole entrance processor again if you decide you want to
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  Speaker 2: do it again. Okay, but I mean surely you could
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  Speaker 2: do that without coming up with some you know, wanky
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  Speaker 2: name like Undergraduate Certificate of Higher Education Studies, which means nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what what does undergraduate Certificate of Higher Education studies?
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean? Could you imagine putting that on
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  Speaker 1: your resume when you go for a job, well, and
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  Speaker 1: they ask what it means exactly finish, that's going.
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  Speaker 2: To be the problem because if you put it on
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  Speaker 2: your CV, the potential boss is going to ask that,
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  Speaker 2: is going to go what what what is that? And
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  Speaker 2: then you'll say, oh, well I didn't finish, and so
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  Speaker 2: they gave me a certificate, just like you know the
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  Speaker 2: kiddies at school these days get the participation Award. I
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  Speaker 2: mean that's basically what it is, an extension of right.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone deserves recognition, no matter how well or how little
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  Speaker 2: they've actually done. Well.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny you mentioned that and putting it on your
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  Speaker 3: resume because this was actually one of the recommendations in
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  Speaker 3: the review into the University Accord, which was to incorporate
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  Speaker 3: a diploma qualification into all undergraduate degrees, so if people
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  Speaker 3: dropped out after completing one year of their three year degree,
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  Speaker 3: you would automatically get a diploma, which is just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: And if you've been in UNI, you've done first year UNI.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you learn absolutely nothing. A diploma if for
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  Speaker 3: one year of university study is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: And I think really.
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  Speaker 3: What this is all about is universities trying to justify
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  Speaker 3: themselves and trying to get around the fact that they
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  Speaker 3: have very high dropout rates. At Swimburne University in particular,
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  Speaker 3: after almost ten years, fifty percent of people still haven't graduated.
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  Speaker 4: And that is happening across the board.
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  Speaker 3: Because people are going to UNI, they're not getting value
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  Speaker 3: for money. They're going into degrees that they probably should have,
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  Speaker 3: they're picked, and they're leaving. They leave with all the
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  Speaker 3: debt and no qualifications. The answer is not to go, hey,
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  Speaker 3: that's okay because we can give you a diploma in nothing.
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  Speaker 3: The answer is to go, let's take a step back
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  Speaker 3: and ask why are so many young people being forced
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  Speaker 3: into degrees that are useless.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I agree with you that this is about marketing, right,
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  Speaker 1: So they're encouraging people, maybe a decade later, to come
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  Speaker 1: back and finish the degree. But they also did talk
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  Speaker 1: about removing the stigma of being a UNI dropout. I
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  Speaker 1: think being a UNI dropout for some people could be
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  Speaker 1: a badge of honor of them they realize, yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, this ain't going to get me a good
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  Speaker 1: out of the job. I'd be better off with real
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  Speaker 1: world experience rather than this theoretical.
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  Speaker 4: True in Silicon Valley.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, being a university dropout is a sure way
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  Speaker 3: to become a billion dollar start up.
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  Speaker 1: That's almost a prerequisite.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've got to be a weird nerd too.
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  Speaker 2: But it's something like a quarter of students University students
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  Speaker 2: drop out don't complete the degrees in this country. So
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  Speaker 2: that to me means there's twenty five percent of people
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  Speaker 2: going into UNI who just shouldn't have been there in
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  Speaker 2: the first place, but they're shoehorned into UNI because they're
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  Speaker 2: told at school these days that that is basically the
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  Speaker 2: only option, or if it's not the only option, it's
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  Speaker 2: certainly the right option.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you turn your nose up at the idea of
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  Speaker 2: doing a trade or going to TAYE for whatever. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's sort of an expectation that as a continuation of
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  Speaker 2: your schooling you must go off to universities. And clearly
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  Speaker 2: we are pushing through kids who don't want to be
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  Speaker 2: there and shouldn't be there and should instead be out
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  Speaker 2: either working or learning a trade, something practical.
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  Speaker 5: It's good for.
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  Speaker 1: Society's government policy now, I mean Jason Claar, didn't he
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  Speaker 1: say any recently they wanted fifty five percent of Australian's
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  Speaker 1: by twenty fifty to have a university degree.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it is government policy because universities work on a
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  Speaker 3: demand driven systems. So basically the policy is in Australia,
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  Speaker 3: anyone who wants to go to university, if there's a
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  Speaker 3: uni out there willing to give them a place, then
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  Speaker 3: they get the funding from the government.
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  Speaker 4: But this is sheer greed from universities.
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  Speaker 3: Just this week, unsw announced they're opening a campus in Bangalore, India.
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  Speaker 3: They're the seventh Australian university to open or be approved
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  Speaker 3: to open Indian campuses.
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  Speaker 4: It's not even good enough for them.
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  Speaker 3: Just to get heaps of Australians who don't want their degrees,
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  Speaker 3: starving to go to India to flog these things.
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  Speaker 2: Now, oh fantastic. You know, we can thank Julia Gillard
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  Speaker 2: for a lot of this. She was the one as
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister who uncapped university enrollments and to some degree
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  Speaker 2: you could even go back to GoF Whitlam. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: when he instituted free university. But you know what everyone says,
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  Speaker 2: GoF Whitlam created free UNI in this country Before that,
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  Speaker 2: under Menzi's we had Commonwealth scholarships, which was the same thing,
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  Speaker 2: except it was given to people who actually deserved to
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  Speaker 2: be at UNI. That was the difference. It worked better now.
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned before about these young people at UNI who should, potentially,
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  Speaker 2: instead of being there, should be off getting a job
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  Speaker 2: or getting a trade, doing something practical. Of course, an
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  Speaker 2: apprenticeship is a great option because it means you are
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  Speaker 2: working and learning at the same time. And over in
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  Speaker 2: the UK, the opposition leader or can you even call
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  Speaker 2: her the opposition leader these days? You know, Nigel Farage
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  Speaker 2: is kind of the leader now, but Kenny Badenock, she's
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  Speaker 2: the leader of the Tories. She is talking about welfare
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  Speaker 2: and just how big the welfare state has grown too
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  Speaker 2: over there. Of course it's grown big here too. She
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  Speaker 2: wants to rip eighty seven billion quid out of welfare
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  Speaker 2: and she wants to begin with people of working age
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  Speaker 2: who are on the doll.
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  Speaker 6: There are more than six million people of working each
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  Speaker 6: who are cleaning benefits instead of working.
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  Speaker 1: We will review.
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  Speaker 6: Every circumstance in which benefits are currently paying more than
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  Speaker 6: work fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: And she's also taken a potshot at young people who
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  Speaker 2: just don't want to work.
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  Speaker 6: But today we are seeing a lot of people not
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  Speaker 6: taking jobs because they think that there's jobs are beneath them.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, this is not a new phenomenon, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad to see someone calling it out mainstream again.
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  Speaker 2: The Conservatives are almost not a mainstream party anymore, are they,
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  Speaker 2: because they've been usurped to by reform. But to see
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  Speaker 2: a mainstream political leader saying, you know, young people should
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  Speaker 2: be out doing jobs and we shouldn't have to I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is the subjects to it. We shouldn't have to
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  Speaker 2: be bringing migrants into any Western nation to fill jobs
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  Speaker 2: when we have young people in particular sitting around on
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  Speaker 2: welfare taking the doll when they could be out doing work.
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  Speaker 2: But they don't want to pick fruit in summer, and
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  Speaker 2: they don't want to work at macas, or they don't
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  Speaker 2: want to work at the local fish and chip trip.
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  Speaker 2: I can do better than that. They never took about
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  Speaker 2: the fact that inherent in that is a certain level
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  Speaker 2: of racism. I don't want to be a cleaner, you know,
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  Speaker 2: or we should only have Indian cleaners, should we? But
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  Speaker 2: that's the inherent racism in the way a lot of
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  Speaker 2: these young people are thinking, don't tell them, don't tell
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  Speaker 2: them they want. I had to deal with that because
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  Speaker 2: they think that's a migrant's job. Someone else should come
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  Speaker 2: and clean my toilets for me. Why would I go
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  Speaker 2: and clean the toilets. Well, if you're on the doll
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  Speaker 2: and there's a cleaning job going, surely it's better than nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing how the very presence of Nigel Farage
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  Speaker 1: has prompted the Conservative Party in the UK to be conservative,
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  Speaker 1: much like One Nation is doing for the Liberals here.
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  Speaker 1: The other interesting thing about what she said was she
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  Speaker 1: talked about the age of diagnosis, where we are now
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  Speaker 1: pathologizing behaviors that maybe a generation ago would have been
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  Speaker 1: considered normal, things like ADHD. I mean, if you haven't
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  Speaker 1: got an ADHD diagnosis these days, what's wrong with you?
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  Speaker 1: Or you know, you used to be sad, now you're depressed,
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  Speaker 1: used to be nervous, No, you're not nervous, you're anxious.
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  Speaker 1: And so many young people now are being diagnosed for
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  Speaker 1: things that would have been just you know, part of life.
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  Speaker 1: And now using that diagnosis firstly as an identity, so
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  Speaker 1: that becomes how they see themselves, and then as a
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  Speaker 1: reason not to work and not to be engaged in
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  Speaker 1: fur Tom employment, Well, I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean, I think one of the most simple reforms that
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  Speaker 3: they could make over in the UK and here in
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  Speaker 3: Australia as well, is that you do not get the
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  Speaker 3: doll if you can't work because of mental health issues.
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  Speaker 3: That just should not be a reason that you get welfare.
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  Speaker 3: If you're obviously in an institution, that's another story. But
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  Speaker 3: the idea that you could have moderate anxiety or mild
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  Speaker 3: autism or dyslexia and then get welfare payments is ridiculous
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  Speaker 3: and it does create this culture of victimhood. Instead of
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  Speaker 3: asking how can I contribute, how can I lift myself up,
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  Speaker 3: it's what diagnosis can I get to get support from
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  Speaker 3: the state. And I think, to your point, Caleb, young
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  Speaker 3: people not wanting to take on these low wage jobs, well,
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  Speaker 3: if you.
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  Speaker 4: Cut immigration, suddenly.
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  Speaker 3: The wages in these low paid jobs would go right up.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's another reason you shouldn't be filling them
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  Speaker 3: with foreign workers, because our Westerners are too lazy. If
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  Speaker 3: we cut immigration, well, actually being a fruit picker would
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  Speaker 3: be very well paid and being in a low skilled
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  Speaker 3: role would be rewarding. There would be career progression. But
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  Speaker 3: that's the fundamental problem for young people. They've all been
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  Speaker 3: told do the right thing, go to university, get a degree,
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  Speaker 3: and on the other side, you'll have this amazing career.
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  Speaker 3: It just doesn't exist anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I've never understood still without fruit picking. I've never understood
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  Speaker 2: the aversion of Australians to doing fruit picking during the
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  Speaker 2: summer months, because I would have thought if you just
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  Speaker 2: got out of school and you whip together ten of
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  Speaker 2: your mates and you go, we're going to bag her
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  Speaker 2: off to Queensland or something for Christmas and New Year,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to pick fruit all day and drink
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  Speaker 2: beer all night. And normally you get accommodation out of
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  Speaker 2: these people. They put you up while you're there, You
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  Speaker 2: do the work, and then you can go and do
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  Speaker 2: whatever you want. You could backpack around the country. Doesn't
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  Speaker 2: that sound like a great deal for a young person.
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  Speaker 1: It would have twenty or thirty years ago. But I
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  Speaker 1: can't think of any teenager today who would think, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, I can't wait to finish school, go to
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  Speaker 1: North Queen's end and pick bananas. It's just not that's.
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  Speaker 2: Part of the problem.
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  Speaker 1: They want to go to Europe for six months, that's credit.
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  Speaker 2: But this is this is the problem. And perhaps part
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  Speaker 2: of it as well is Mum and dad need to
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  Speaker 2: give the kids a kick out the ass and say
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  Speaker 2: get out of home, go and get a job, go
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  Speaker 2: and do something. But instead they go, oh, look, little Johnny,
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  Speaker 2: we'll look.
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  Speaker 1: After you, we'll look after you.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to give them some self sufficiency a teach
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  Speaker 2: them that they actually have to get out there and
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  Speaker 2: do something.
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  Speaker 4: That's very true.
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  Speaker 3: Well over in Scotland some pretty dire data on where
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  Speaker 3: their young people are at. Forty percent of students in
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  Speaker 3: Scotland have special needs forty percent. This is double what
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  Speaker 3: it was just a decade ago in twenty fifteen, and
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  Speaker 3: double what it is over in England. And if you
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  Speaker 3: break down what are these special needs that they all have, well,
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  Speaker 3: two thirds of them have social, emotional and behavioral needs.
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  Speaker 3: They're so learning disabilities like dyslexia, autism, family issues and
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  Speaker 3: English as a second language. Also concerning, thirty seven percent
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  Speaker 3: of students in Scotland are chronically absent from school, which
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  Speaker 3: means they're missing over ten percent of.
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  Speaker 4: The school year.
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  Speaker 3: But you've got to ask, when forty percent of all
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  Speaker 3: kids in Scotland have special needs at school, what is
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  Speaker 3: going wrong? Something horrendous is happening, especially when it's not die,
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  Speaker 3: it's not serious lifelong issues, it's behavioral social How is
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  Speaker 3: that happening?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the first problem you've got if forty three percent
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  Speaker 1: of kids are special needs, your definition of special needs
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  Speaker 1: is far too broad.
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  Speaker 2: Well, well, soon it'll be over fifty percent. And then
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  Speaker 2: actually the ones that don't need any help, they will
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  Speaker 2: be the special needs because the other kids will become
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  Speaker 2: the normal.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the problem, right If everyone's special needs,
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  Speaker 1: no one special needs. And this is where you get
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  Speaker 1: a serious problem, because with so many kids who probably
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  Speaker 1: should not be special needs being defined as special needs,
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  Speaker 1: they get resources and money to try to help them,
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  Speaker 1: which is therefore diverted from kids with serious disabilities or
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  Speaker 1: severe learning impediments, and so it's a net loss to everybody.
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  Speaker 1: And this increase in the number of kids being defined
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  Speaker 1: as special needs comes at the same time that the
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  Speaker 1: government is demanding that special needs kids be mainstreamed in
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  Speaker 1: the schooling system, and so they're not getting the support
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  Speaker 1: that they need. While I don't know what do we
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  Speaker 1: call kids without special needs normal kids? Probably not meant
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  Speaker 1: to say that for the sake of the argument, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. They are being distracted and being
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  Speaker 1: ignored while teachers focus on these other kids, and so
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  Speaker 1: the whole system is in danger of collapse unless they
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  Speaker 1: do something.
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  Speaker 2: About There's a few significant problems. One is that the
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  Speaker 2: most common thing is these social emotional behavioral difficulties, which
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  Speaker 2: is your ADHDS and all this sort of stuff, which
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  Speaker 2: I think is probably over diagnosed these days. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of it is probably also related to the modern world
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  Speaker 2: in which we live.
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  Speaker 1: Just on that, I'll tell you how it's diagnosed. A
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  Speaker 1: kid will be misbehaving at school. The school will contact
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  Speaker 1: mom and dad and say could you go and get
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  Speaker 1: your child checked out for ADHD. And the school has
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  Speaker 1: a vested interest in this because if the child is diagnosed,
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  Speaker 1: the school can apply for extra funding to employ more
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  Speaker 1: teacher aides. So it's a win for the parents because
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  Speaker 1: they don't feel like they've got a naughty boy, they've
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  Speaker 1: got a child who's got a mental health condition. It's
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  Speaker 1: a win for the school because they get more funding
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  Speaker 1: and the number of diagnoses just continues to climb.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, then you've got the English as a second language problem.
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  Speaker 2: So sixty one thousand students are classified in Scotland as
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  Speaker 2: special needs because English is not their first language. Now
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  Speaker 2: that's not typically what I would have called special needs.
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  Speaker 2: You think of a special needs kid, you think of
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  Speaker 2: a kid who's got a cognitive disability generally, or a
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  Speaker 2: behavioral problem, not someone who's come from another country. But
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  Speaker 2: they are now deemed to be special needs in Scotland.
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  Speaker 2: And if that means you've got to give extra resources
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  Speaker 2: to these kids who presumably have either come from another
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  Speaker 2: country and don't know English, or are being raised in
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  Speaker 2: homes where they do not speak English and are not
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  Speaker 2: learning English at home because their parents don't speak English,
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  Speaker 2: then you've got to broad a cultural problem we need
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  Speaker 2: to deal with here that's not just a normal special
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  Speaker 2: needs thing. And the point about mainstream schools is an
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  Speaker 2: important one because I think it was two thousand and
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  Speaker 2: four in Scotland they decided that it was you know,
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  Speaker 2: they wanted to get all the kids into mainstream schools.
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  Speaker 2: But they admit, with all of this new data that
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  Speaker 2: only a fifth of mainstream schools actually have the resources
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  Speaker 2: to deal with special needs children. So you're disadvantaging these
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  Speaker 2: kids by putting them into mainstream schools with everyone else.
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  Speaker 2: And then you're disadvantaging all the other kids because these
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  Speaker 2: kids need more at time, and on and on it goes.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with saying that some kids should be
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  Speaker 2: in special schools, but you can't have forty percent of
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  Speaker 2: children in special schools. We need to be real about
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: what special needs actually are.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, let's talk about the woke for a moment,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: because their obsession with dividing humans into oppressors and the
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: oppressed is about to hit a high water mark at
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: next year's Soccer World Cup. Progressives in Seattle were giddy
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: to find out that the United States would be hosting
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: the World Cup because they saw a platform where they
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: could promote LGBTQ rights on a global scale, But their
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: glitter soon turned to gloom when by the way before
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: I mentioned that they were so excited about the US
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: hosting the World Cup and the game being played in Seattle,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: but even more excited when they realized the game coincided
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: with their Gay and Lesbian Festival, which is held annually,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: so their idea was, we will make that World Cup
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: game in to a Pride match. Now. The glitter soon
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: turned to gloom when the FIFA organization drew the names
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: out of a hat as to who would play in
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: the Pride match, and the countries drawn were Iran and Egypt,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: which means queers for Palestine are about to get a
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: very quick lesson on how the Middle East view them.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: In Iran, obviously, homosexuality is punishable by death, and the
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Iranian Soccer Federation described the idea of playing in a
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: pride matches quote an irrational move, which translated, I think
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: means there's no way in hell. In Egypt, homosexuality is
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: not actually illegal, but it's often prosecuted under vague debauchery laws.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: The Egyptian Soccer Federation described the idea of playing in
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: a pride match as quote, a terrible clash with cultural, social,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: and religious value. So this sets up something that's probably
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: more interesting than the game itself. What are they going
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: to do to resolve this? Because if the teams refuse
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: to play well, then they are homophobic, But if the
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: organizers demand that the teams play well, then there islamophobic.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: So how this plays out? I think will be far
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: more interesting than what actually happens on the pitch.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, I have never been in favor of these
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: themed rounds, especially the Pride Round. I just think why
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: and what is so interesting is when it's Christians that
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: refuse to play in the Pride Round or refuse to
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: wear the Pride jersey. Or if it was a Christian
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: country that said, actually we don't want to play in
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: the Pride Round. Could you imagine the outrage it would
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: be everywhere backwards homophobic Christians, How dare they?
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: But when it's Egypt.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: And Iran and it's certainly not Christian, then really there's
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: pretty much silence. I mean, I was surprised that this
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: story hasn't been discussed much at all, and I think
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: it's because the Left realizes they're stuck between a rock
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: and a hard place.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: On this one. Best if we just hush, harsh and
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: ignore at all.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: No, No, but they can't ignore it. They have to
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: be principled about this. I mean, just like they were
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: with the manly players who didn't want to wear the
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Pride jersey. I mean they went after all those Islander
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: boys and said no, no, no, because just because you're
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Christian doesn't mean that you can't wear the Pride jersey
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: and so they should have played exactly the same standard here.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Now we know that won't happen. Ala Haneen Zurika who
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: plays in the AFL W for Greater Western Sydney Muslim
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Woman and she has sat out of Pride round for
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: a few consecutive years. She didn't play this year, but
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: that's because she was off pregnant, I think, but the
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: two years prior to that, after consulting her team and
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the AFL and the Inclusion Division at the AFL, they
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: deemed that she would not play in the Pride round
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and that was all supported.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: But again wasn't going to support and she was actually praised, yes, yes,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: standing up for her culture and being correct correct.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: But of course what we need to remember here is
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: that these things go both ways. And I'm not a
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: particular fan of Brian round or whatever. But when the
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: World Cup was played in Qatar in twenty twenty two,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: and Qatar is a country where being gay is illegal,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: the captains of England, the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: and Wales decided that they would wear arm bands wen'
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: even Rainbow but armed bands to show some solidarity with
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: gay people in a country where what their sexuality is illegal,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and they were told by FIFA they couldn't do it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: It was banned because of course you're in a country
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: where it's illegal to be gay, and so you've got
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: to respect the law. They also banned the sale of
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: beer in the stadiums for the World Cup in Qatar,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: so when it's over there, we play by their rules.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: So if you want to come and play in Western countries,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: you have to play by our rules as well. Funnily enough,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: now let's talk about immigration, and we know that the
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Liberal Party the Coalition is busily working away on its
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: migration policy. They've got it zero out of the way,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: so this is the next big one that they have
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: to deal with. And the Sydney Morning Herald had a
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: little birdy tell it today what some of these plans
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: are from Susan Lee and the Coalition now in a nutshell.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: What their plan is is to get rid of people
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: who are here on temporary visas who don't belong in Australia.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: They've overstayed their welcome, will deport them and they are
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: here in huge numbers now The way all of this
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: works is that you come over on a temporary visa,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and then when your temporary visa is running out and
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: it's not going to be renewed, you apply for asylum,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: and then, of course it takes them forever to assess
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: whether or not you are a legitimate asylum seeker. Most recently,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of these cases have been coming from India,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: China and Vietnam. When the government finally decides that you
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: are not an asylum seeker, you then lodge an appeal
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and that then just continues to drag on and on
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: and on, and you get extra time to stay in
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Australia and keep working and having families or whatever the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: hell the hell it is you're doing, and then you say, well,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I've got kids now you can't get rid of me,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: and then they let them stay. There are currently one
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: hundred and one thousand people who are living here after
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: their visa has expired or sorry, I should say, after
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: the offer of asylum has been rejected. Sixty two thousand
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: of them are currently appealing that ruling, and thirty nine
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: thousand are just in the country illegally. I mean they've
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: been told to go and they're just say no, we
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: are sticking around. So Lee in the coalition say we
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: should deport them, which is great. I think that's great,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: we should be doing it. But why this little bit
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: of immigration policy specifically, Well, the Sydney Morning Herald reports
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: in Piece of Conscious that focusing on unlawful citizens could
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: spark criticism that Lee was appealing to the US President
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's contentious deportation agenda. But they are keen to
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: deliver a tough policy to take on Hanson Pauline, of course,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: and believe that focusing on unlawful non citizens will be
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: more palatable than talk of mass migration that might alienate
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: diaspora communities. So yeah, it's great that we would deport
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: people who aren't meant to be here, who are staying
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: in this country illegally. But if that's going to become
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: the replacement for talking about the much bigger issue, which
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: is mass migration, then I suspect this is going to
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: be a bit of a debi Dhana.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: This tells me two things. Firstly, their heart is not
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: in it whatever policy they present. If the target of
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the policy is not improving the country but fending off
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: one nation, then how would you believe whatever they say
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: on getting tough on immigration or illegals. And the second
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: thing it tells me if that's true the Sydney Morning
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: held report is that they don't trust their own ability
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: to communicate with the Australian people. They don't trust themselves
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: to be able to communicate the need to cut migration
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: in a substantial way without giving the impression that somehow
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: they're anti Indian or anti this group or that group.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: They need to back themselves in a little bit more.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Oh well, I.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Do think we can take them seriously on this issue.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: I know immigration was very high under Turnbull and Morrison,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: but don't forget Abbot did stop the boat. How it
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: also says so long.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Ago, can't take the Liberals seriously because once upon a
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: time Tony Abbott did something.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it shows that I think the Liberal Party
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: knows that borders and MiG well maybe not migration anymore,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: but certainly border security has always been a strength for them.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: They've done well.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: If they don't put a number on reducing immigration, would
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: you take them seriously because the reports are they don't
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: want to put a number on it. How can you
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: take them seriously that we need to cut migration, but
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: we don't want to say by how much. How do
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: you take that?
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: P Well, I think it does show that they are,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: to your point, worried about how you then sell that,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: because as soon as you put a number on it.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: This was one of the questions that tripped up Peter Dutton.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Are you talking about permanent migration or are you talking
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: about net overseas migration? Are you talking about temporary visas?
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: It's a complex area of policy, so I think from
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: a political perspective, it's smart don't put a number on it,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: but say you'll go tough and focus on the illegal element,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: because that's the low hanging fruit that ever, let me
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: push back.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: What area of policy is not complicated and complex? Everything
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: is complicated. John o'dunniam is a great speaker. Paul scar
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not so convinced, but they've got to trust themselves
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: to be able to communicate it. Politics is the art
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: of taking the complex, making it simple and selling it
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: to the Australian thing.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: YEA have a tangible thing. A number is a tangible
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: thing that it's a benchmark. It's a standard by which
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: people can judge you. It's very hard to judge on
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: wishy washy ideas, we'll cut things.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: The liberal point, if you don't have a number, you
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: can't be judge.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: But they also have to win elections.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: And if they're going to focus on something, instead of
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: focusing on cutting immigration numbers as a whole, the best
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: thing for them to focus on is it deporting one
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: hundred thousand people, because everyone, whether a new migrant or not,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: can get behind that. You shouldn't have people who were
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: illegal in the country.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I've got to push back one more time forra You
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: said they've got to win elections, and I hear this
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: from conservatives, right, but we have to win the election.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Well you know what, if you win the election but
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: with a watered down policy agenda which really just makes
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: you labor light, isn't that the criticism that has been
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: so prominent of the conservatives that's led to the rise
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: of one nation. I think I would rather liberals lose
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: an election but stand for the right thing, and if
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: you have to argue it over a number of labor terms,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: argue your point and win a mandate, rather than try
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to sneak into office by not promising anything too conservative
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and then feeling like you've got permission to just be
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: labor light.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I hear you, but you also have to acknowledge the
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: reality that in metropolitan seats that the Liberal Party need
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: to win to ever win government again. The percentage of
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: people who were born in foreign countries who are migrants
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: is very high, and a lot of them simply will
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: never vote for a party that says no to mass immigration.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: And so you come to the problem of like, would
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: you rather eternal labor governments or would you rather actually
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: win and then once you're in change things up.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I think even migrants will vote to conservative once labor
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: policies really start to buy.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: And migrants do famously like pulling up the ladder from
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: underneath it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: But not in Australia. That hasn't happened in all the polling.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Migrants support high migration. Think about if you're in Australia,
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: you want your family to come join you. You want
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: those family reunion visas, you want the same opportunities you've
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: had to be extended to your compatriots back home. I
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: wish you were right, but I don't think so. But
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: look on that theme of migration, it's gripping everywhere Australia,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Europe and Donald Trump has had some words for European leaders.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: Have a listen.
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: I love Europe. They're destroying Europe, then they better do something.
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: Give them just some free advice. I'm I'm focused here,
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: but I give them free advice. They better be careful
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: because immigration and energy are going to destroy Europe.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: He also then went on to roast probably his least
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: favorite local government official in the world.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Look at your mayor of London.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: He's a disaster.
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: He's a disaster. He's got a totally different ideology of
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: what he's supposed to have.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I reckon he just hasn't met Clover Moore yet. Once
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: he does, he get out out to the list. But
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: it was interesting that the countries he did praise were Hungry,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: who's paying a million euros a day to keep their
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: borders shut, and Poland, who've also done a pretty good
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: job at managing immigration. But tough words there for the Europeans.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean he said that European leaders are
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: weak partly because they were enamored with political correctness, and
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: it's pretty hard to argue. I mean, Europe is far
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: more reconcerned with feelings and facts and with seeming rather
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: than doing, and as you mentioned immigration, where he raises
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the concern and this becomes not just an ideological thing,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: but it becomes a matter of security that NATO countries
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: will be predominantly non European if they continue the way
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: they are going by the end of twenty forty twenty fifty,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: and that then becomes an issue for the United States.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Do they still have things in common with their allies?
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I guess mark Stein was the one who posed this
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: question years ago. He asked, can Europe still be Europe
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: but with different people? And I think the answer is
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: plainly no. And then the question becomes do we care?
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Well, we should care? Do a lot of people care?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe not? But that is turning, that tired is turning
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: when you look across Europe. It is because of what
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: has happened with migration largely and also crime issues. That
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: the Farages Nigel Farages of the world, that the builders
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: of the world, that the AfD party in Germany has
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: been rising because people can now see plainly in front
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: of them, even though it may be a little bit late,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: what has been perpetrated upon their countries. And of course,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: no one these days, you know, putting aside colonial past.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: No one these days would go into Africa or India
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: or China and say, well, we need a few more
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: white people in this joint, would you? I mean, we
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: just wouldn't dream of doing it, but it is expected
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: that it happens across the rest of the Western world.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: You can have all your debates about values and whatever,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: and of course people who contribute to a country fantastic,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: But if you fundamentally change the face of a country,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: it does become a different place. That's the reality.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: So do you think the race matters then of people
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: or do you think that after multiple generations people can
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: assimilate and then it doesn't matter if people are of
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: a mixed heritage or pure European.
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they can.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at Girmish Singh, who is now the
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: leader of the Nationals in New South Wales right, who
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: has obviously an Indian name and looks like an Indian man,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: but he hates the idea that people call him an
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Indian Australian. He says, I'm not Indian, I am Australian,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: and so yes, it is true that he will always
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: carry that as a racial thing. But the problem is
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: if you do it in such a way that it
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: is controlled and you bring in people who are of
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: like mind, it can work. But when you see what
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: has happened in Europe, and what has happened in the US,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: and some degree has happened in Australia, where you just
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: bring floods of people in from other countries who have
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: no idea about what your standards and your culture and
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: whatever is and just let them go, Okay, you're here,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: now go. I mean as if problems do not occur.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's the rate that is the most
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: important thing, because if you bring people in in such
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: a trickle that they have to assimilate and integrate into
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: the host countries values and way of life, they will.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: But if it that such a magnitude that.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: We've seen, you can quite easily get around still speaking
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: whatever language you spoke before.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Now, the issue is not just the numbers of migrants
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: who come into a country, but the attitude of the
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: host country's government, whether they want people to assimilate or
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: whether they say no, no, no, we don't want you to assimilate.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: We wouldn't ask that you just come here and perpetuate
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: your own culture in our country. That's that's a big factor.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Well, that is the ideology of multiculturalism, and that's why
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: countries that preach multiculturalism cannot have a successful migration program.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Which I think is what Donald Trump is trying to
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: address JD Evans as well in Europe. Now, I went
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to my local grocery store today bought some groceries. I'm
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: proud to say I didn't steal any of them. I
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: paid for all of them, unlike of Americans.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: And in four people say that they have knowingly stolen
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: an item from self checkout. Over time, and just a
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: couple of years ago, that number was fifteen percent.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Sorry, twenty five percent of Americans who say they've stolen groceries.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Forty percent of Americans earning more than one hundred thousand
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: dollars said they had stolen groceries, which is interesting because
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: people earning thirty grand or less only seventeen percent of
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: those people said they had stolen. So the old thing
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: about poverty leads to more theft not necessarily true in
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: terms of stealing groceries. What made me curious was the
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: justifications people gave in a survey for putting items in
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: the bag without properly scanning them. Twenty nine percent said
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: stores are large and profitable, therefore taking the odd grocery
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: without first scanning it was acceptable. Thirty five percent of
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: people said, well, you know what, if you're self scanning groceries,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: it's like unpaid labor, and so you're entitled to a
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: little bit of compensation so they can get a treat
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: that cannot suit them. I didn't scan, that's just compo.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Forty seven percent of people said rising prices. The other
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: one though, that didn't come up from the survey. But
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I wonder if some people think this, because it has
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: occurred to me when you're in a hurry, you're scanning
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the groceries yourselves, and the thing stops working or it
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: just doesn't work. Maybe I'm well, I tried to scan it,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: did my best. It's their fault if it didn't work.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I can understand why people would be tempted to do that.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I do have a level of sympathy for the idea, actually,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: because I just hate those self service things. I hate
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: the jobs they've taken away from other people. So you know,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: what do you think was going to happen? Oh, fifth's
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: gone up. Oh no, we couldn't have predicted that. But
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: the reason I suspect that people who earn more more
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: likely to steal at the self service checkout, is that
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: low earning people sol to the earth. People are generally
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: quite honest, and people who earn more money generally are
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: doing so because they've had to, you know, be a
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: bit snaky and do things to get up the ladder.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I don't say that to be negative. Many of them
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: are my friends. But still you've got to learn to
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: be adaptable in some situation, shall we say. And so
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: perhaps it becomes easy to say, well, if you're ripping
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: someone off, it's just because that's what I'm doing.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Or you could argue that wealthier people are more honest
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: than they admitted to stealing, whereas people already Well, we're
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: going to take a break. When we come back, we
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: look at what's making news tomorrow, including a shocking story
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: from far North Queensland. Seventy percent of teacher ades so
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: they've been assaulted by students. That and more in just
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: a moment, welcome back to the program. Let's take a
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: look at what's making headlines tomorrow, so you hear them here. First,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Caleb has the front page of Tomorrow's Australian and.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Would you believe it it's just the gift that keeps
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: on giving. The gravy plane family flies three laps of
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: the earth on taxpayers within rules. Trade Minister Don Farrell
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: has you taxpayer funds to fly his wife and other
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: family members a distance almost halfway to the moon, while
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Greens fire brand Sarah Hanson Young has furied her lobbyist
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: husband to and from Canberra on seventy eight publicly funded airfares,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: intensifying pressure on Anthony Albanezi to reform parliamentarian's entitlements. It
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: can be revealed that Senator farre All, one of Labour's
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: most respected and feared power brokers, the godfather they call him,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: has flown his wife Nimphah, and potentially other family members
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: a collective three point seven times around the earth under
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: family reunion benefits since Labour one government in twenty twenty two,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: at a cost of ninety thousand and fifty eight dollars
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: and fifteen cents. Ah just gets better and better and better.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, the issue here clearly is the rules,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: because look what they have done is outside of the
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: spirit of what you would like to think they would do.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: But you know, politicians with their snouts in the Trough,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: who is terribly surprised. But the reality is it would
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: seem that this most of this has been done within
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: the rules. Fix the bloody rules.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Well, Anika Wells today was interviewed and she said, and
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I quote, my job is to follow the rules, and
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I have followed the rules. I'd say she followed the
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: rules very very well.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Remember when Joe Biden was interviewed a few years ago
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: during the presidential campaign and he said, I'm just following
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: the rules man. Well, that's that's Anika Wells defense.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: So Anthony Albanezi in addressing these and these these revelations
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: have been going on now for what three four days.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: It's just one thing after another, and he just keeps
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: referring to the rule book. Well, what everyone's done is
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: within the rules. That's a little bit beside the point.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: His other line is what about Susan Lee. She went
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: to the Gold Coast and bought an apartment. So Anthony
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Albanezi refuses to address the fact that no matter this
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: is within the rules. No one, I don't think is
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: disputing that. It's not what Australians would expect. And it's
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: a terrible look at a time when we're being told
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: to tighten our belch.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: And he seems to be forgetting the fact that he
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: controls the rule book. So if you think the rules
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: are that out of step with mindern Australia, but ah,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: they're just following the rules.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Maybe just change the rules. It's really not that hard.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Also, the ben oquist Sarah Hanson Young's husband lobbyist going
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: to Canberra to meet up with his wife. I would
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: have thought as a lobbyist he does work in Canberra
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: and so he should be able to afford his own
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: flights to go up to do I don't know whether
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: he was doing work while he went to visit his
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: wife in Canberra, but he is a.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Lobbyist, so it's a little convenient.
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Come on second story on the front of the Elves tomorrow.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Scattergun welfare, pay and spray welfare is rapidly being steered
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: away from means tested cash benefits towards universal schemes accessible
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: to almost any Australian. New research shows, resulting in poor
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: households receiving less of an advantage and major stre and
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: being put on federal and state budgets As Labour considers
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: more widespread spending measures through Anthony Alberanesi's legacy project of
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: childcare for All in dis Mediicare, and until recently energy rebates.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: The shifting universality over cash benefits is only expected to grow,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: reducing the overall advantage for low income households. Jim Chalmers
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: said this week that means testing had not been a
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: focus of our deliberations, but you have to wait and
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: see how the numbers stack up when we release them.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: What a bizarre thing to say, what just means test everything.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I don't get why we are giving out money to
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: people who don't need.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: It, but this is the absurdity, right ndis not means
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: tested free universal childcare, the cap of income caps like
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: four hundred grand a year or something for household income.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I mean this stuff we are just this is middle
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: class welfare paradise. But the article gives some specific numbers
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: about how this has increased. Since two two thousand, the
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: number of universal payments being given out has increased from
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: one point four percent of GDP to three point seven percent,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: while the percentage that our means tested has fallen from
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: five point three percent, has fallen from seven point eight
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: percent to five point three percent. So you've seen the
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: increase in universal payments, decrease in means testing.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Why are we giving out middle class welfare.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: The stupidity of this was demonstrated on the social media
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: account of Labor Senator Charlotte Walker, the youngest senator. She's
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: twenty one, and she was rejoicing on social media that
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: her HEX bill had been slashed by twenty percent. Well,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: she's earning what two hundred and thirty thousand dollars a
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: year as a federal senator. Over the next six years,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: she'll pocket well over a million dollars, but her HEX
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: debt gets slashed by twenty percent. Taxpayers pay for it,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: and her wage as well. He's doing very nicely. Not
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: knocking her, but it's a good example of people who
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: really don't need welfare getting a fit chuck.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: My hextet got slashed by twenty percent and it felt unethical.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I was like, ato, I don't want this. This is
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: just absurd. If you've got the degree, you should pay
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: for it. In the Townsville Bulletin tomorrow, the headline is
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: school helpers bashed. More than seventy percent of North Queensland
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: teacher aids and school support staff have been assaulted in
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: the classroom this year. The shocking statistics have been laid
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: there in a survey from the United Workers Union. The
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: reveals frontline support workers are bearing the brunt of a
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: surge in physical and verbal aggression from students, with North
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Queensland figures much higher than the state average.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: Seventy percent is a lot. I mean, how does that
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: even happen.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Look, you've got obviously youth crime problems in Queensland, we
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: know that, and that you imagine is linked to other
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: behavioral issues that kids have things out great at home
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: or whatever it might be, and those that are going
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: to school that clearly extends into school. I mean, again,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: we keep asking this question, why does anyone want to
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Why would anyone want to be a teacher these days?
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Why would you want to be a teacher's aid If
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: that's what you've got to put up with.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: That We don't have the rest of the article to
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: be able to answer the question as to why the
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: assaults in North Queensland are so much higher than the
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: rest of the state. That would be an interesting question
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: to ask. And the other issue is that schools increasingly
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: don't want to suspend or expel students, particularly in the
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: public system, so you end up with behavior that should
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: not be tolerated becoming the norm. Let's go the front
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: page of the Adelaide Advertiser, if for no other reason
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: than just to read you one particular headline that we
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: absolutely loved before we came on air. There's a photograph
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: there of the English cricketers who are doing terribly in
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the ashes. They're down two nil and a five Test
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: match series. Instead of practicing, they're at Noosa rubbing sunscreen
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: on each other and the headline there reads rub a
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: dub duds, which full credit to the sub editor, that's
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: a really nice headline. The other article on the front
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: page of the Advertiser Marley hits ambulance record fifty thousand
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: ramp hours. The premier's election pledge to fix ambulance ramping
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: is now a distant memory, with the state on track
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: to record fifty thousand hours this year. In twenty twenty one,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: the last full year of the former Marshall government, it
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: was twenty eight thousand, one hundred and fifty two hours.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: So this was a major promise of the Labor State
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: government to fix the ramping issue. It's almost twice as
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: bad as it ever was, who's the premier, James, it's
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the labor premier. Yeah, what's his name, Taylor? You should
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: cover for your co host program. He always because you know,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I always muck up his name, so I'm avoiding saying it.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: And then you pointed.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Out Peter Maladawskis. I always say Ramanet the Portland footballer.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway to get around it. But yes, he said
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: me fix.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Ramping And well they haven't. On the front of the
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Mercury down Intazzi tomorrow it says sit stay await. The
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: state government attempt to ban greyhound racing has been delayed
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: after the Legislative Council referred to bill to a committee
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: for further consideration. Greyhound Racing Legislation Amendments Phasing Out Reform
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Bill was passed by the state's lower house last week,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: but the ledge Co vote late on Wednesday means the
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: bill will not face a final vote until March next
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: year at the earliest, and I hope that means it
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: never gets through because of the treacherous Liberal government down
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: there that decided, in order to save itself it would
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: do a deal with the Greens to get rid of
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: greyhound racing. When the Libs are doing deals with the Greens.
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: You know, something's dirty.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Indeed, Now, I don't know what sort of day you've had,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: but no matter how bad your day was, it can't
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: be as bad as a person driving home along the
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: freeway who was hit from behind by an aeroplane. That's
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: coming up next will show you Welcome back to the program.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: President Trump obviously has to fly a lot as the
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: leader of the Free World, and it's never a boring
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: flight frail.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: No, not at all.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: But imagine being this person, President of the US, Leader
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: of the Free world, mid press conference center. You're just
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: exiting the toilet.
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: Are You're gonna have to take it easy with that thing?
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: You know if it's a government plane, But I'd like
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: to take care of it. Hello, somebody's in there, Come
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: on out.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: I love his momentary, Like, why is this wall moving?
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Hello?
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: It does?
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: You know, sometimes when you're on a flat and you've
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: gone to the toilet and the air hostess or whatever
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: the PC term is these days, is standing outside the
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: door and you sort of fling the door open and
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: then you hit them in the back of the head
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: and you've got I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it's you know,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: It could have been a lot worse. I mean, Donald
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Trump could have been knocked over.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: It could have been interesting. But don't you think if
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: you were in that toilet and you can hear the
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: voice of the president outside, wouldn't you just sit there
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: for like five minutes, ten minutes however till it lands.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Well, exactly have you seen the length of a Donald
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Trump press conference? He was probably already sitting on there
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: for three hours, risking hamorrhoids at that point.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I tell you what, I don't care who the next
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: president is, it will not be as entertaining as the
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Trump presidency. Now, I've been driving a car and had
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: people run up the back of me, but it's never
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: been as bad as what one woman driving home around
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: five point thirty pm on a highway in Florida had
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: happened to her. Look at this. A plane tries to
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: make an emergency landing on the highway ends up running
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: straight into the back of her vehicle. She was taken
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: to hospital. She'll be okay. Both people in the aircraft
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: were perfectly fine. But I reckon, that's one lady who,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: for the first time in her life, we thanking the Lord.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: She never bought a convertible.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Wow, that like, well, I mean, you don't expect to
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: see that coming, do you. Can you imagine driving along
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: and you look in.
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: The rear view is that?
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Is that a plane and a bang?
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: By the time you're brain caught up with you, Oh, I.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Just can't get over that they're fine in the car
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: and they were fine in the plane when that could
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: have been so much worse. Maybe it was the perfect
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: crash landing in that cash She was.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Driving a Toyota camera. I reckon any day you walk
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: away from a camera, that's.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: A good Oh, come on.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Toyota's renowned for making reliable, solid vehicles. You know, imagine
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: if it had been a Toyota high Lux, the plane
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: would have come off ber far worse.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know what your preference is when it comes
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: to chocolates, but if you were going to the shops
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: looking for a tin of quality Streets this Christmas, you
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: are out of luck because Nessle has discontinued the range.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Now I'm totally quite popular over in pommy Land, but
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: here in Australia, I think people, if you're going for
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: that kind of thing, tend to go for a box
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: of roses as opposed to Quality Street, but Nesle says
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: it's off the shelf. They're not coming back. Is anyone crying?
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: I've got to be honest.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: I had never heard of Quality Streets chocolates until just then.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: But I'm sad.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: You know, i'd heard of Quality Street, but not since
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: my grandmother passed away. There you go. That's all we've
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: got time for tonight. Thanks so much for your company
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: stick around. Coming up in just a moment is to
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: read a Penny show. Good Night,