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The Killdozer - Marvin Heemeyer · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: On June fourth, two thousand four, a man sealed himself
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  Speaker 1: inside a customized armored bulldozer, and then he drove it
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  Speaker 1: through the small mountain town of Granby, Colorado, leaving behind
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  Speaker 1: him a trail of destruction that would make headlines around
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  Speaker 1: the world. Over the course of more than two hours,
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  Speaker 1: he demolished businesses, government buildings, and homes alike, causing millions
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  Speaker 1: of dollars worth of damage while police struggled to find
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  Speaker 1: a way to stop him. But why well, it seems
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  Speaker 1: that he had been on the losing end of many
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  Speaker 1: disputes with the local government and other businesses, and over
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  Speaker 1: time he was convinced they were out to ruin his life.
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  Speaker 1: So ultimately he decided to take matters into his own
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  Speaker 1: hands and saw things his way. This is the story
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  Speaker 1: of Marvin he Mayr and his kill Dozer.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked
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  Speaker 1: cold a bit already. I gotta I gotta report.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta top it off.
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  Speaker 1: Top it off. I've got like a yetti cup that
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  Speaker 1: I drink coffee from on most days, but it is
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  Speaker 1: so inconvenient to drink that while recording an episode, So
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  Speaker 1: it is my refiller cup.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so it's just while recording an episode that it's inconvenient.
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  Speaker 1: Typically, Yeah, I mean there's other inconveniences about it, but
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  Speaker 1: ninety nine times out of one hundred, it is the
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  Speaker 1: convenience solution.
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  Speaker 2: Because yeah, I'm drinking tea right now, and if I'm
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  Speaker 2: making tea, I always just make it am I yetti
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  Speaker 2: because it's more you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but see, like I'm always doing the like the
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  Speaker 1: reading of the script right and look look at the
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  Speaker 1: bulkiness next to the microphones. True, so that like becomes
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  Speaker 1: something in the way in a bit of a hindrance.
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  Speaker 2: So very true.
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  Speaker 1: So this, like a smaller cup like this, just a
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  Speaker 1: regular coffee cup, is much better, I find, m M. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise I bump the mic.
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  Speaker 2: I have a new shirt on.
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  Speaker 1: You do have a new shirt on, because apparently there
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  Speaker 1: was chicken poop on your other one. I guess.
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  Speaker 2: We were recording a pre show and we were talking
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  Speaker 2: about how we got some new chickens and then and
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  Speaker 2: how cute they are. But like young chickens, they tend
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  Speaker 2: to poop a lot. Yes, they do, and I didn't
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  Speaker 2: realize that I apparently had some of that on my
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  Speaker 2: said shirt.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm glad you're not wearing your chicken shit
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  Speaker 1: shirt now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm wearing our merch.
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  Speaker 1: You are our five Wicked Year shirt.
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  Speaker 2: I love the shirt.
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  Speaker 1: That's actually pretty good design. I think that design is
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  Speaker 1: Was that abrupt enough? Did I segue it too much?
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  Speaker 1: Or did you see it coming?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see it coming good. Yes, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: because you kind of had that pause in there that
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  Speaker 2: kind of threw me off. I think there was a
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  Speaker 2: little pause before you transition.
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  Speaker 1: Well I didn't even transition, I just started it. I
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  Speaker 1: just did it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, maybe next time I'll go a little smoother
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  Speaker 1: on the transition. I'm glad I caught you off guard
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  Speaker 2: No, we should have like a celebratory dinner after that.
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  Speaker 1: I definitely had a few celebratory drinks because that stress
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  Speaker 1: was up there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, this episode today sounds very interesting though.
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  Speaker 1: It's a story I've been wanting to cover for a while.
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  Speaker 1: I honestly, I kind of just wanted to even research
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  Speaker 1: it just for my own curiosity sakes, not necessarily like
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  Speaker 1: even doing a case. I wanted to know more about it,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, it was time to dive in. It's a
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  Speaker 1: story where no one gets murdered. It is a wild
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  Speaker 1: ride though, to say the least. And I think you'll
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  Speaker 1: enjoy this one.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm ready, are you. Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's do it. So this story begins with Marvin
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  Speaker 1: John Hemayer, who was a small business owner living in
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  Speaker 1: the mountains of Colorado. He was born on October twenty eighth,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty one, in South Dakota, and Marvin spent much
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  Speaker 1: of his early adult life building the skills that would
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  Speaker 1: later define his career. Served in the United States Air
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  Speaker 1: Force before eventually finding work as a welder. Friends and
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  Speaker 1: family described him as intelligent, hard working, and exceptionally skilled
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  Speaker 1: when it came to machinery and fabrication. He was the
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  Speaker 1: type of person who could look at a mechanical problem
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  Speaker 1: and then disappear in his workshop and emerge with a
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  Speaker 1: solution that few others would have ever thought of. Now Eventually,
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  Speaker 1: Marvin settled into Colorado, where he opened a muffler repair
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  Speaker 1: business known as Mountain View Muffler. The shop operated in Granby,
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  Speaker 1: which is a small mountain town roughly eighty five miles
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  Speaker 1: northwest of Denver. Nestled between popular tourist destinations and surrounded
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  Speaker 1: by rugged scenery, Granby was the kind of place where
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  Speaker 1: many residents knew one another by name. With a population
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  Speaker 1: of only a few thousand people, local politics, business disputes,
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  Speaker 1: and community relations often became a deeply personal now by
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  Speaker 1: most accounts, Marvin managed to build himself a very successful business.
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  Speaker 1: Customers respected his work, and many people who knew him
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  Speaker 1: they remembered him as being generous both with his time
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  Speaker 1: and his expertise. Not only that, though, he also developed
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  Speaker 1: a reputation as a very talented welder and mechanic, someone
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  Speaker 1: very capable of building or repairing almost anything that was
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  Speaker 1: placed in front of him. At the same time, though,
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  Speaker 1: there was another side to Marvin's personality. People who knew
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  Speaker 1: him often described him as being rather stubborn. He was
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  Speaker 1: not someone who backed down easily from an argument, and
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  Speaker 1: he could become very deeply invested in disputes that he
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  Speaker 1: believed mattered. So if Marvin thought he was right, convincing
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  Speaker 1: him otherwise could prove to be rather difficult. Several people
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  Speaker 1: who crossed paths with him over the years would later
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  Speaker 1: recall him as being a man who was fiercely independent
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  Speaker 1: and often suspicious of authority, particularly when he felt he
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  Speaker 1: was being treated unfairly. Now, those traits were not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: unusual on their own mind you, plenty of successful business
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  Speaker 1: owners are rather stubborn or independent and unwilling to compromise easily,
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  Speaker 1: and for most of Marvin's life, those qualities appeared to
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  Speaker 1: actually help him rather than hurt him. In fact, it
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  Speaker 1: led him to make what seemed like a very smart
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  Speaker 1: business decision in the early nineteen nineties see at a
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  Speaker 1: government auction, he purchased approximately two acres of land near
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  Speaker 1: Granby for around forty two thousand dollars and that property
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  Speaker 1: provided a location for his muffler shop and an also
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  Speaker 1: offered room for future growth. Basically, it was an investment
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  Speaker 1: in both his business and his future alike, and it
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  Speaker 1: seemed like everything was working out well. Mountain View Muffler
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  Speaker 1: continued operating, Marvin had established himself within the community, and
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  Speaker 1: the property even seemed positioned to increase in value. Looking back,
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  Speaker 1: this period would represent a very high point of Marvin's
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  Speaker 1: life in Granby. He had a successful business, valuable property,
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  Speaker 1: and a reputation as a skilled tradesman. But as the
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  Speaker 1: decade progressed, that property would attract the attention of another
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  Speaker 1: local family with plans of their own, the Doschift family,
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  Speaker 1: and they wanted the land.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: They owned Mountain Park Concrete and were exploring plans for
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  Speaker 1: a concrete batch plant in the area, and Marvin's property
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  Speaker 1: occupied a very desirable location for those plans, and negotiations
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  Speaker 1: began between the two sides regarding the property's potential sale. Now,
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  Speaker 1: initially the discussions appeared promising, and according to later reportings,
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  Speaker 1: Marvin agreed to sell the property for approximately two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars, which would have been a very
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  Speaker 1: significant return on investment. In fact, I did the math
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  Speaker 1: in it's about a four hundred and fifty five point
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  Speaker 1: six percent return on investment. Wow, which is rather impressive.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome. Now.
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  Speaker 1: The deal, however, never closed. As negotiations progressed, it seems
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  Speaker 1: Marvin began to increase his asking price. Reports very slightly
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  Speaker 1: on the exact figure to discussed, but accounts consistently indicate
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  Speaker 1: that the price continued to rise, and at one point
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  Speaker 1: the amount reportedly reached approximately three hundred and seventy five
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and later accounts even suggest that Marvin had
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  Speaker 1: sought to seek a deal worth more than a million
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  Speaker 1: dollars to close. Now, whatever the exact figure was, the
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  Speaker 1: result was the same, and the negotiations collapsed, and so
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  Speaker 1: the dough Shifts walked away without the property. Well, Marvin
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  Speaker 1: retained ownership of the land, so.
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  Speaker 2: Was he getting a little bit greedy, or maybe he
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  Speaker 2: didn't actually want to get rid of this property.
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  Speaker 1: What could have been either of those or a mixture
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  Speaker 1: even But it seems to me like he might have
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  Speaker 1: been getting greedy. Okay, yes, okay, But maybe he had
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  Speaker 1: attachment to it. Maybe that's why he was increasing it.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he subconsciously was convincing himself to make them back
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  Speaker 1: out so he wouldn't sell it. It's hard to say, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it could.
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  Speaker 2: Have had great value to him, right, and as the
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  Speaker 2: deal gets closer, he realizes it's not what he wants
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  Speaker 2: to keep it for himself.
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  Speaker 1: That's true, It's a very high possibility that's the case.
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  Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, he inflated the price and the
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  Speaker 1: deal fell through. Now that failed sale would become one
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  Speaker 1: of the most disputed parts of this story. Years later,
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  Speaker 1: Supporters of Marvin often portrayed the conflict as a situation
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  Speaker 1: in which a powerful business interests targeted a small business
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  Speaker 1: owner who refused to sell, but critics pointed to the
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  Speaker 1: negotiations themselves and argued that the Doe Shifts had repeatedly
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  Speaker 1: attempted to purchase the property for far more than Marvin
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  Speaker 1: originally paid, only to see the asking price continue to climb.
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  Speaker 1: So you have the two sides of this coin here.
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  Speaker 1: At the time, however, neither side could have known the
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  Speaker 1: significance of this failed deal that it would eventually become
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  Speaker 1: and either way, after negotiations ended, the Doe Shifts shifted
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  Speaker 1: their focus towards an alternate solution. If they couldn't purchase
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  Speaker 1: Marvin's land, they would move forward with development plans around
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  Speaker 1: it instead. Now that decision marked the beginning of a
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  Speaker 1: conflict that would last years to come. That proposed project
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  Speaker 1: was still going towards the concrete batch plant and facilities
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  Speaker 1: like these they produce concrete used in construction projects throughout
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  Speaker 1: the region. While they are common industrial operations, the thing
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  Speaker 1: is they can generate significant truck traffic or dust and
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  Speaker 1: noise and other activity that neighboring property owners might oppose,
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  Speaker 1: and Marvin quickly became one of the most vocal opponents
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  Speaker 1: of this project. From his perspective, the concrete plant threatened
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  Speaker 1: both his business and the value of his property. He
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  Speaker 1: believed the increased industrial activity would make Mountain View Muffler
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  Speaker 1: much less attractive to customers, and it would negatively impact
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  Speaker 1: the surrounding area. So as plans for the project move forward.
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  Speaker 1: Marvin began objecting through public meetings, complaints, and other official channels. Now,
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  Speaker 1: because the project required approval from local governments, town officials,
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  Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff, they became involved those
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  Speaker 1: town officials, they were involved in it. All public hearings
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  Speaker 1: were held, arguments were presented by both supporters and opponents
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  Speaker 1: of the development, and this issue gradually evolved into one
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  Speaker 1: of the more contentious local debates that Granby had ever had.
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  Speaker 1: Marvin argued against the project, others argued from favor for it,
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  Speaker 1: and unlike Marvin's point of view, many local officials they
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  Speaker 1: saw the concrete plant as a legitimate business development that
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  Speaker 1: could benefit the area's economy. Supporters believed it would provide
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  Speaker 1: jobs and contribute to future growth, but Marvin he viewed
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  Speaker 1: the project almost entirely through the lens of how it
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  Speaker 1: would affect his own property and his own business, and
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  Speaker 1: eventually the town approved the development. For most property disputes,
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  Speaker 1: that would have been the end of the matter, but
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  Speaker 1: for Marvin it became the beginning of something much larger.
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  Speaker 1: The approval of the concrete plant represented more than a
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  Speaker 1: simple loss. It was one of the first major moments
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  Speaker 1: where Marvin felt local decision makers had ignored his concerns
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  Speaker 1: and sided against him. But no matter how he viewed it,
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  Speaker 1: the fact remained. Construction move forward, and the plant eventually
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  Speaker 1: became a reality.
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  Speaker 2: That is very interesting, Like I can see it being
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  Speaker 2: such a piss off, right, because he almost sold to
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  Speaker 2: them at quite a high value. Yeah, like would have
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  Speaker 2: gotten quite a bit from the cell of that, and
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  Speaker 2: it didn't work out, but they're still right there. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I can kind of understand. But also it
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  Speaker 2: does seem like it would be something that would benefit
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  Speaker 2: you know, the community.
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  Speaker 1: Oh for sure. And that's the thing with any sort
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  Speaker 1: of development like this, there's going to be ones that
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  Speaker 1: fall through and ones that go through, ones that are beneficial,
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  Speaker 1: ones that are not so beneficial, And someone is probably
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  Speaker 1: going to be pissed off no matter the project exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Neighbors are usually one of the first to get upset
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  Speaker 1: because it's right beside them, and rightfully so, but also
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  Speaker 1: rightfully so someone else has a right to the other land,
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  Speaker 1: the adjacent land.
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  Speaker 2: It's not you know, it's really just pissing off one person, right,
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  Speaker 2: but it's benefiting a lot of people in the community.
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  Speaker 2: So I can kind of see why it was definitely approved.
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  Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Now, if Marvin only sold his property,
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  Speaker 1: maybe he wouldn't have been pissed off in the long run,
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  Speaker 1: maybe he would have actually benefited from it. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: who knows. But as you mentioned, what if he didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to sell, that's okay too. But it's also okay
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  Speaker 1: for them to just build next door.
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  Speaker 2: I know it almost kind of it could be like
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  Speaker 2: a slight regret too, right, yeah, like, oh, well, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't do this deal, but they're they're here anyway, and
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  Speaker 2: now I'm stuck here, And yeah, it doesn't seem great
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  Speaker 2: for him, but it has a greater benefit.
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  Speaker 1: So now, while life in Granby continued as normal for
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  Speaker 1: most residents, Marvin's relationship with many of the people involved
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  Speaker 1: in the dispute had been permanently damaged, and unfortunately, the
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  Speaker 1: concrete plant would not be the last battle. If anything,
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  Speaker 1: it marked the point where a business dispute began evolving
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  Speaker 1: into something much more personal. So in the years that followed,
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  Speaker 1: Marvin found himself increasingly at odds with local officials over
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  Speaker 1: a series of regulatory and property issues. One of the
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  Speaker 1: more significant ones involved the sewage system serving his muffler shop.
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  Speaker 1: See Like other businesses in the area, Mountain View Muffler
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  Speaker 1: was expected to meet local sanitation requirements, but Marvin argued
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  Speaker 1: that connecting his property to the municipal sewer system had
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  Speaker 1: become a far more difficult thing after the surrounding development
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  Speaker 1: had changed in the area. Sure, maybe he was going
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  Speaker 1: to be doing it, but now with this concrete plant
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  Speaker 1: coming in, and now maybe it's blocking lines and he's
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  Speaker 1: got to go around it, and it's going to cost
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  Speaker 1: him more. All those sort of things, Right, So, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know the exact scenario and what his sewage systems
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  Speaker 1: are set up. Was maybe he was on a septic tank,
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  Speaker 1: for example, and the local government saying, okay, well you
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  Speaker 1: can't have a septic tank, you need to hook up
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  Speaker 1: to the actual municipal sewer system. Maybe he was planning
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  Speaker 1: on doing that, but now the plant could be blocking
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  Speaker 1: his lines. He's got to go all around the property.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to cost him four times as much. Why
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  Speaker 1: And he's just like, well, why don't I just stay
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  Speaker 1: on the septic That's probably the conversation, or at least
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  Speaker 1: similar to what.
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  Speaker 2: Had happened, And maybe he would have just kind of
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  Speaker 2: been like grand fathered in or it wouldn't have been
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  Speaker 2: a big deal. But with this new facility coming.
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  Speaker 1: It needs to be changed exactly. Yeah, So from his perspectives,
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  Speaker 1: town officials were now demanding compliance while ignoring the practical
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  Speaker 1: realities of the costs involved in actually achieving it, and
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  Speaker 1: the disagreement. It gradually escalated through inspections, notice hearings, and
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  Speaker 1: appeals all alike, and Marvin repeatedly challenged the town's position,
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  Speaker 1: arguing that he was being treated unfairly and that the
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  Speaker 1: requirements being imposed on him were unreasonable. Local officials, meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: maintained that the issue was much more straightforward. Businesses operating
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  Speaker 1: within town limits were expected to comply with health and
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  Speaker 1: sanitation regulations, and Mountain View Muffler was no exception. Period.
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  Speaker 2: That is hard because often like small businesses, you're it's tough,
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: like you're just making enough really for probably you know,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: to give yourself your own living yep. And then you
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: don't have all this extra money. I don't know how
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: much it costs or whatever, but to put into that.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: It's not like it's a big organization, right that has
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of extra mm hm. He probably just has
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: his bare minim that is his cost, like that he
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: needs to live and exactly, I don't know. I feel
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: so bad for small businesses. They get shipped on often.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm rambling here, but like, that's tough for him.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I do kind of feel his pain there a little.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: But regulations are regulations. They're there for a reason, and
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: you do have to comply. Yeah, it's again, there's two
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: sides to the coin.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: And Marvin he saw this as just another example too,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: of how people in positions of authority and power are
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: basically working directly against him. That's his perspective. Now, these
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: disputes over his septic or sewer or whatever it was.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: They eventually resulted in approximately two five hundred dollars in
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: fines and penalties towards Marvin, and financially speaking, the amount
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: it wasn't going to ruin him or anything, but the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: symbolism of it mattered a lot to him. By this point,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Marvin's frustration was no longer focused solely on the neighboring
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: concrete plant. The failed land negotiations, the zoning decisions, the
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: sewer dispute, and the growing list of legal setbacks were
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: beginning to blend altogether in his mind, and rather than
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: seeing them as separate conflicts with different causes, he increasingly
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: viewed them as evidence of a much larger pattern. And
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: one small detail from this period would later become famous
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: in this story because of what it revealed about Marvin's
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: state of mind. See when he submitted payment for those fines,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: he wrote a single word on the check as well
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: that just said quote cowards. To a lot of people.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: It was little more than insult directed at local government
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: officials to investigators. Looking back, though, it offered a glimpse
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: into how deeply personal the conflict had become. Marvin no
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: longer seemed to view the people on the other side
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: of these disputes as officials enforcing regulations or neighbors with
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: different interests. He viewed them as individuals who were intentionally
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: wronging him. Now. As the disputes continued, Marvin he kept
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: filing complaints, challenging decisions, and even pursued legal avenues whenever
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: he believed that he'd been treated unfairly, But unfortunately for him,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: those efforts rarely produced the results he wanted. Time and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: time again, rulings went against him, appeals failed, and projects
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: that he opposed moved forward despite his objections, and those
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: repeated defeats appeared to have had a profound effect on
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: how Marvin viewed the community around him. It seemed that
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: he became convinced that many of the influential people in
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Granby were connected through a network of business relationships, friendships,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: and political influence. Basically, in his mind, local officials, business owners, attorneys, judges,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and prominent families were all looking out for one another,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: while ordinary people had little chance of receiving fair treatment.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Now whether that belief reflected reality is still debated, but
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: there is little doubt that Marvin genuinely accepted it as fact.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Is this a relatively small town as well?
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, only a few thousand people. I think it's like
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: around the time, it was like twenty two or twenty
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: five hundred people or something like that. Like it's under
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: three thousand.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: So honestly, that does surprise me a little, because, you know,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: to find him and stuff, like, they really aren't back
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: and down here at all. No, not at all, So
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: it's a little surprising. I guess that they're being so
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: harsh to a small business. But but I guess he
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: does seem like he's being pretty difficult to deal with
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Again, two sides to the coin, and that this story
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: is very difficult and it's as famous as it is
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: for that very reason because a lot of people sympathize
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: with Marvin, and a lot of people are saying, well, okay, sure,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: but you can't do this shit, like we get it,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: but you just can't do this shit.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: But it does sound like they're not necessarily really working
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: with him either.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Now, the problem was that every setback seemed to reinforce
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: this worldview that he had. Each loss became further proof
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: that the system was operating exactly as he believed it was.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Over time, that way of thinking left very little room
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: for any sort of compromise. And if every disagreement was
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: evidence of corruption and every defeat confirmed the existence of enemies,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: then meaningful resolution became almost impossible. Yet still, many of
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the people Marvin Blaine saw the situation very differently the
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Doscheff family. They maintained that they had repeatedly attempted to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: purchase his property for prices far above what he originally paid.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Town officials generally viewed the sewer dispute as a matter
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: of code compliance rather than personal hostility. From their perspective,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Marvin was a difficult and increasingly combative businessman who refused
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: to accept outcomes that he disliked. By the early two thousands,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Marvin had already spent years fighting battles that he believed
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: he should have won, and he believed that many of
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: these setbacks in his life they were not accidents, they
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: were not simple disagreements. He believed that they were evidenced
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: that he was being deliberately targeted by people who held
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: power and influence within the community, and those beliefs deepened
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: and his language began changing as well. Investigators would later
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: find recorded messages where Marvin discussed his grievances and reasoning
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: behind his eventual actions. Throughout those recordings, he frequently referenced
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: God and dis described events in his life as part
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: of a larger plan. At various points, he suggested that
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: people he believed had wronged him had effectively given him
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: permission to act through their own behavior. In one recording,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: he stated, quote you have given me license through your
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: example to do what I need to do end quote,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: and in another he expressed the belief that God had
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: prepared him for the task ahead now in two thousand
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: and three, Marvin purchased a Kamatsu D three fifty five,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: a bulldozer. Under normal circumstances, it was a very very
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: powerful piece of heavy construction equipment. It was weighing approximately
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: forty nine tons and it was powered by a four
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: hundred and ten horsepower engine. It is no joke of
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: a machine machines like this. They're designed to move earth,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: clear land and push through obstacles during major construction projects
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: without any sort of resistan. Basically, with absolute ease. It
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: just re escapes the land. However, Marvin had something very
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: different in mind. Over the next eighteen months, he worked
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: largely in secret, transforming this behemoth of a bulldozer into
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: one of the most unusual, improvised armored vehicles ever built
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: by a private citizen. The project drew heavily on the
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: skills that he had spent decades developing as a welder, fabricator,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: and mechanic. Much of the work took place inside a
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: building where the machine remained hidden from public view, and
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: in the end, the bulldozer's most striking feature was its armor.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: See Marvin constructed large protective panels consisting of steel plates
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: with concrete sandwiched between them. The resulting structure covered much
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: of the machine and enclosed the operator's compartment inside with
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: a heavily fortified shield. He effectively turned this bulldozer into
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: a Seville million bulletproof tank.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Diamn. Yeah, but it's almost comical because he's probably spending
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: more than what he needed to get the sewer or
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: whatever done.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Right, Oh, definitely, definitely. Now this is he put money
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: into it, so.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: He had the money to do the sewer thing, but
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: he just was refusing.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah pretty much. Okay, well, like I even told you
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: that fine was certainly not going to break him or
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: whatever whatever. Right, Yeah, he paid the fines and just
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: wrote cowards on the check and then was secretly building this.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he is definitely being being stubborn here.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Oh that is a very light way of describing him. Now,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: because the armor on this thing eliminated any direct view
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: outside of the machine, because he, like I said, literally
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: enclosed the cab of this thing with steel and concrete.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Marvin installed camera systems that transmitted images to monitors inside
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the cab, so he was his view for driving was
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: via cameras.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: The cameras themselves were then protected behind transparent shields and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: air nozzles. Compressed air nozzles were reportedly installed to help
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: keep dust and debris from obscuring his view. He also
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: equipped the interior with ventilation systems, cooling equipment, food, water,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: and other supplies, intending to allow him to remain inside
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: for very extended periods or an extended period. But not
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: only was this thing well equipped for defense, it was
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: also armed too. Investigators would later find several firearms mounted
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: inside the bulldozer, including a fifty caliber rifle, a Ruger
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Mini fourteen chambered in two twenty three, and an fn
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: FNC rifle. Firing ports were also built into the armour,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: which allowed the weapons to be discharged while Marvin rem
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: protected inside the cab.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Holy flying shit, this guy meant some serious business.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: And to top it off, he would also carry personal
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: side arms, including a three point fifty seven magnum revolver
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and a nine millimeter pistol. Now, what made the project
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: particularly significant was the degree of planning that was involved.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: This was not something assembled over a few weekends in
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: a burst of anger. No, Marvin spent roughly a year
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: and a half designing, modifying, testing, and refining this machine
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: to fit his vision. Every major challenge presented by the armor,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you know, visibility, ventilation, mobility, communication, and defense. They had
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: all been considered, addressed, and then applied now. At the
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: same time, Marvin began quietly putting other parts of his
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: life in order to According to several accounts, he sold properties,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: he transfer assets, He reduced his personal ties to the community.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: For example, in March of two thousand and three, he
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: reportedly deeded his house to a friend and began spending
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: more time living at his shop, which suggested that he
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: was planning for a future in which he would no
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: longer need any of these things that he had spent
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: years building. Right, he was just preparing for it to
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: all not be his anymore. Meanwhile, outside the workshop, life
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: in Granby continued as normal. Most residents had no idea
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: what Marvin was constructing. Local officials continued working, businesses continued operating,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and disputes that at once dominated Marvin's attention had largely
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: faded into the background for everyone except Marvin himself, and
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: by the spring of two thousand and four, the work
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: was essentially finished. The years of arguments, the lawsuits and hearings,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: the fines and resentment had produced something far more dangerous
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: than another appeal or another complaint, and in the afternoon
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: of June fourth, two thousand and four, Marvin climbed inside
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: the cap of his custom armored Kamatsu D three point
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: fifty five A. Then, once he was inside, a heavy
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: section of the steel plated armor was lowered into place,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: sealing him inside the machine. There were no practical exits
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: at this point, the design assumed that there would be
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: no need for one. Food and water had been placed inside.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Monitors displayed the images externally on the cameras and screens inside.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Weapons were positioned behind the firing ports built into the armor.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Everything Marvin needed was already there and in place, and
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: shortly after two pm the waiting ended in an eruption
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: of unstoppable steel. The bulldozer then crashed through the wall
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: of his shop building where it had been concealed and
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: had immerged urged into daylight for the first time. Anyone
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: who saw it immediately recognized that something was terribly wrong.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Although it was clearly still a bulldozer, the machine's appearance
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: had been dramatically altered by the massive armor plating that
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: was covering it. The vehicle looked less like construction equipment
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: and more like an improvised military vehicle, and as the
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: machine began moving, emergency dispatchers started receiving calls. Initial reports
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: were very confused and fragmented. Witnesses described a bulldozer causing
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: damage and driving through property, but few people understood what
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: they were actually seeing, and responding officers initially had little
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: reason to believe they were dealing with a heavily armoured
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: vehicle operated by someone carrying out a very planned attack. Now,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Marvin's first destination was none other than Mountain Park concrete,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: and that choice was heartily surprising. I mean, the concrete
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: plant had become one of the central symbols of everything
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Marvin believed had gone wrong, So if the attack was
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: intended to settle old scores, the concrete plant was the
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: logical place to begin. Slowly, the machine made its way
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: over to the plant, and when the bulldozer arrived, it
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: immediately began causing extensive damage. Buildings were struck as he
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: ran the machine straight into them, knocking down structures, crushing equipment.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Various concrete structures that had taken years to construct were
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: damaged and leveled. Within minutes. Workers fled the area as
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: the machine advanced, and the sheer size of the bulldozer,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: combined with the armor surrounding it, made it obvious that
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: ordinary obstacles were not going to be stopping it.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, he just meant business.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: He did. Now. Among the people present at this concrete
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: plant was Cody Doshoff, whose family had been involved in
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: the long running disputes with Marvin and owned the Concrete Planet. Now,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: face with the destruction of his business, Cody attempted something
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: that few people would have considered under the circumstances. He
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: decided to fight fire with fire. So, using a large
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: nine to eighty front end loader, he tried to interfere
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: with the bulldozer's progress. Now, these loader machines are also
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: no joke. They are big machines that are made for
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: big projects, and in fact, I've driven loaders this size personally.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: They are very capable of moving a lot of heavy loads.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: And with the two metal titans going head to head
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: for a moment, the bulldozer seemed to have met its match,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: but the imbalance quickly became apparent. The armored Comatsu had
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: been designed specifically to push through barriers and withstand punishment.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: While the loader was more designed for lifting, but not
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: loads as heavy as this bulldozer, it was just no
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: match for it. So as the bulldozer advanced, Cody eventually
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: found himself forced to retreat, and then the situation became
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: even more serious when shots began to ring out. It
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: seems that Marvin began firing one of his weapons from
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: inside the bulldozer through the firing ports that he had
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: built in its armor. The shots rang out as the
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: bullets were aimed at the concrete plant and even towards
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Cody himself in the loader. As reports spread through Granby,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: local authorities began realizing they were dealing with something unprecedented.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: This was not a work place accident. This was not
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: a simple protest. This was a specifically altered and heavily
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: armored bulldozer that was moving through town under the control
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: of a man who had spent years preparing for this
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: very moment of chaos.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Am I alone in thinking that all I could picture
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: was like two transformers just going at it. For some reason,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: that was the only thing going through my mind.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's not what I pictured. I picture Marvin
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: inside the cab of this thing, just like CCR blarin,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: you know, and just being like just having the time
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: of his life, loving this, you know.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: But he is the fact that he's like shooting at
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: people and stuff, like, he's putting people at huge risk.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Here is which is a very big part of this
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: controversy because a lot of people they kind of put
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Marvin on a bit of a pedestal after all this
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: because they they understand what he went for and what
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: he was fighting against. Yeah, but then on the other side,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, he was genuinely putting people at risk.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: He was shooting guns, he was people's workplaces, running things over,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: like people could have died.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was almost prepared to kill people exactly. It
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: you know, the fact that whatever he built here had
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: guns and stuff, like I think, you know, he was
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: almost expecting he was ready for that exactly.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: So while you might sympathize with what he went through,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the problem also arises when you see what he did
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: in turn, because that is also unacceptable.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: This is just so unhinged.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I feel like unhinged is a good word.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: People you know kind of daydream about, like God, I
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: just want to go buldles this or whatever, Right, yeah,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: your daydream like someone pisses you off. But the fact
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: that he's actually doing it and he's going to the
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: next level too of like shooting at people and stuff,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: it's definitely yeah, unhinged.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's probably got himself like like he's probably rocking there.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: He's got food and there's probably got like a fucking
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: blooney sandwich he's just munching on as he's rolling through
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: a building, like say, stick probably like frick I seriously
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I picture CCR playing just like Barnier, Yeah, Barron out like, yeah,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: that's the fortunate Son's definitely playing in the cap of
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: this thing.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Well guaranteed he thought of that. Yeah, probably thought a
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: frickin everything. So now police officers arrived at the scene
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: and they discovered I mean everything, but they also discovered
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: something troubling. The firearms had little to no effect on
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: the vehicle itself. They began firing returning fire at Marvin,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: but nothing was happening. The armor Marvin had spent months
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: constructing was doing exactly what it was designed to. Bullets
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: struck the exterior and that was it sparked, but no
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: more so. Officers had no immediate way of disabling this machine,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: and by now Marvin had finished with his target at
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: the concrete plant and was headed towards the center of town.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: The route Marvin was taking suggested that it was heading
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: towards specific locations that he had been planning or selected
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: long before the bulldozer even emerged from his workshop. Basically,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: he knew exactly where he was going next. While police
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: officers and emergency personnel scrambled to respond, Marvin continued moving
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: through town towards buildings connected to the disputes and grievances
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: that had occupied much of his life. By now, local
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: authorities had largely abandoned the idea of stopping the machine
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: through conventional means, and officers had few options available that
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: they could reliably try to disable this eighty plus pound
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: armored vehicle moving through the po populated area. Instead, much
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: of their efforts shifted towards protecting the civilians. Officers rushed
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: ahead of the bulldozer's path, and luckily they were able to.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: I mean that is a drawback of this bulldozer. It's slow,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: but they did so to go warn people in businesses,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: clearing buildings, closing roads, and evacuating anyone who might find
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: themselves in this machine's path. Now, one of Marvin's next
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: major targets was Granby's town Hall complex. Over the years,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: town officials had played a role in many of the
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: disputes that fueled his anger, including zoning or permits and
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: regulatory enforcement, and as the bulldozer was driven by revenge
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: fueled by Marvin, it crashed into the structure with overwhelming force.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Walls buckled under its impact. Offices were destroyed, sections of
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: the building collapsed as the machine pushed through areas of
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: that held town employees only moments earlier. Now connected to
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: the town Hall was the grond Public Library, and earlier
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: in the day, children had been present inside the building
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: for activities and programs alike, but thanks to the emergency
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: warnings and evacuation efforts, they had thankfully already been cleared,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: but the building itself was heavily damaged. That pattern would
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: repeat itself through much of the afternoon again and again.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Officers and emergency personnel managed to evacuate buildings right before
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Marvin arrived and reigned destruction and chaos, and in many cases,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: the difference between an empty structure and a fatal disaster
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: came down to timing. As the bulldozer continued through town,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: it struck one of the offices at Sky High News.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: For Marvin, the newspaper represented another long standing source of frustration.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: The publication had covered many of the disputes involving him
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: over the years, and publisher Patrick Bower had become one
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: of the most visible local voices discussing these conflicts. When
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: the bulldozer approached the building, employees inside were forced to
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: flee as quick as possible, and then moments later the
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: structure was struck by the bulldozer as the others before it,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: and Patrick himself narrowly escaped the building in time. Had
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: circumstances been only slightly different, he may have actually ended
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: up trapped inside as the building collapsed around him. And
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: still the destruction it didn't end there. In fact, it
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: extended beyond just government buildings and businesses. The home associated
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: with former Granby Mayor L. R. Dick Thompson was also targeted.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Now the former mayor he had actually died several years
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: before the attack. However, his widow, Thelma Thompson, continued to
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: live at this residence at approximately eighty two years old.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: She had no involvement in many of the disputes that
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: had fueled Marvin's anger, yet the house was still targeted
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: and destroyed. Meanwhile, law law enforcement continued searching for ways
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: to try and stop this machine. Officers fired hundreds of
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: rounds at the bulldozer through the attack. Tactical teams responded.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Various attempts were made to slow or interfere with its progress,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: but none proved efficient. The armour surrounding the vehicle just
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: absorbed the punishment time and time again, while Marvin continued
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: moving from one target on to the next. At several
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: points during the rampage, he also fired his weapons from
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: inside the bulldozer. Investigators later documented shots fired at multiple
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: stages of the attack, including rounds directed at infrastructure and
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: propane storage tanks, and one of the most concerning incidents
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: involved the Independent Gas facility, where Marvin used his fifty
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: caliber rifle to fire at large propane tanks. The potential
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: consequences worried authorities immediately nearby Homes, businesses, and residential areas
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: sat within range of any possible explosion, and reported later
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: noted that a senior housing complex was located close enough
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: to be endangered if the tanks had ruptured or ignited.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Holy Okay, Yeah, this is starting to go a little
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: bit too far. This is just savage at this.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Point, it's starting to go a bit far. It's beyond far.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: It's definitely beyond far. But yeah, like he just isn't
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: there's I'm thinking about the consequences, or he is and
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: he just doesn't give a shit.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I think he just doesn't give a shit, Like.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Damn, because yeah, he's putting a lot of people, like
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: innocent people in extreme danger.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Yes. Now, fortunately the feared explosion never occurred, Whether because
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: of the design of the tanks, the angle of the shots,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: or simply luck, the facility avoided the kind of catastrophic
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: event many officers feared was about to unfold. Now, by
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: this point, the rampage had been underway for well over
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: an hour. Buildings lay in ruin behind this bulldozer utility
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: infrat Structures had been damaged, vehicles had been crushed, Millions
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: of dollars in destruction had already been inflicted on a
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: town of only a few thousand residents. Yet, despite this,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: chaos ensued, and Marvin's path eventually led him towards Gambles,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: a local hardware store owned by Casey Ferrell. What neither
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Marvin nor anyone else knew at this time was that
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: the attack, though, was approaching its final moments. After more
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: than two hours of destruction, The machine that had proven
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: nearly impossible to stop was about to encounter the one
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: obstacle it couldn't overcome. As Marvin had done throughout the afternoon,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: he drove the armored dozer directly into the hardware store structure,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: tearing through walls and collapsing portions of the building. The
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: destruction initially appeared no different from what had already occurred
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: elsewhere across town. Then the enormous weight of the bulldozer
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: began working against him. The modified Kamatsu Waide substantially more
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: than the machine that had rolled off the factory floor
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: years earlier, because in addition to the bulldozer's original weight,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Marvin had added layers of steel and concrete armor, plus weapons, cameras,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: cooling systems, all the supplies inside the cab as well,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: and the result of the vehicle was weighing well over
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: sixty tons, and as he was driving the machine through
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the building, the floor beneath them gave way, and the
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: bulldozer drove into the basement below and became lodged within
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: the collapsed structure. For the first time all afternoon, Marvin's
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: advance stopped. Investigators later reported that the engine continued running
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: as he attempted to free the machine, with the engine
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: revving and straining as Marvin tried to force it back
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: onto stable ground. He had spent years preparing for resistance
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: from police, local government, and poliople, people that he had
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: blamed all his problems on. What he had not fully
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: prepared for was becoming trapped by the very destruction that
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: he was creating, and soon it was very clear to
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: everyone that the machine was in fact stuck and it
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: was not going anywhere. Law enforcement officers recognized the opportunity
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: of this vehicle being stuck immediately, and officers established positions
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: around the building and waited. Even then, though the danger
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: had not passed, the tracks were still spinning. The engine
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: of this thing. It continued to strain as Marvin tried
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: to get it out, and then suddenly everything stopped. The
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: engine went quiet, and the machine no longer moved, and
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: for the first time in more than two hours, there
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: were silence. Officers waited, minutes passed, with no movement from
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: inside the bulldozer, No gunfire came from the firing ports,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: no attempt was made to restart the engine, and the
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: longer the silence continued, the more uncertain the situation became.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Was Marvin injured? Was the machine, you know, suffering a
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: catastrophic mechanical failure? Was he conserving fuel? Was he waiting
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: for officers to approach? Was he going to fire? Nobody knew.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Because of that uncertainty, authorities proceeded very cautiously. The bulldozer
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: remained an enormous armed fortress, and there was no reason
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: to assume the danger had passed. Tactical personnel maintained positions
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: around the building while commanders considered how to approach a
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: machine specifically designed to resist law enforcement. Eventually, the decision
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: was made to begin to approach and breach the vehicle.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: The task proved extraordinarily difficult. The same armor that had
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: frustrated officers throughout the rampage now frustrated investigators as they
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: were trying to determine what had happened inside, and the
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: layers of steel and concrete protected the compartment where Marvin sat.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Cutting equipment was soon brought in crews worked methodically through
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: the night, attempting to create an opening large enough to
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: access the cab. Hour after hour had passed, the darkness
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: settled over Granby. Workers continued cutting through the machine while
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: officers maintained security around it. It would take roughly twelve
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: hours before authorities were finally able to reach the interior.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Jeez, what a day of work for them, Hey, no kidding.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: And when investigators eventually gained access to the cab compartment,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: they discovered Marvin was dead. A three point fifty five
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: magnum revolver was found beside him, and investigators determined that
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: he had died from a self inflicted gunshot wound. The
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: man who had spent years building the killdozer and more
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: than two hours driving it through Granby had ended his
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: own life inside the armored machine that he created. The
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: only fatality of the entire attack was the man responsible
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: for it. Investigators also found the extraordinary level of preparation
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: that had gone into the project. They found that the
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: cab had contained food, water, weapons, communication equipment, monitors connected
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: to external cameras, and various systems designed to keep Marvin
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: alive in operational inside the sealed vehicle. And investigators quickly
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: realized that the bulldozer had not been assembled impulsively or
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: in a moment of rage. It was the product of
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: months of planning carried out by a man with considerable
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: technical skills and an unwavering commitment to his objective. As
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: the immediate crisis came to an end, crews through out
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Gramby began assessing the damage, and the final numbers were staggering.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: For a community of only a few thousand residents, thirteen
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: buildings had been damaged or destroyed, numerous vehicles had been crushed,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: utility infrastructure was damaged, and the financial losses were eventually
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: estimated at roughly seven million dollars. And remember this is
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: two thousand and then four.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, that is a lot, especially for like a
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: little community. All of their probably you know, necessity stores
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: or grocery stores or hardware store are just gone.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, imagine what this would do to like, like
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I said, infrastructures, power plumbing, all this sort of stuff too, right,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Damn even roads like that machine would have fucked up
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: roads because it's got great big treads, like those steel
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: treads like a tank.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Does almost Holy shit.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: In the aftermath of the attack, though, investigators faced a
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: challenge that went beyond documenting damaged buildings and calculating their
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: repair cost. The physical destruction was easy to see across Granby.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Damaged structures stood as visible reminders of what had happened
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: on that fateful day, but businesses had also been disrupted.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Municipal buildings required extensive repairs, and residents were left trying
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: to understand how a local businessman had transformed years of
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: frustration into one of the most unusual act of destruction
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: in modern American history. Understanding why Marvin did all this, though,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: prove far more complicated. But fortunately for investigators, it wasn't
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: as complicated as it could have been because Marvin had
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: left behind extensive recordings explaining his thoughts, motivations, and his grievances.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: There were hours of audio tapes that were recovered following
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: the attack, providing a detailed look into how he viewed
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: the events that shaped the final years of his life.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Throughout the recordings, Marvin discussed the concrete plant disputes, the
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: sewer conflict, legal setbacks, local officials, business owners, and other
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: individuals he believed had wronged him.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: It's almost like a diary of sorts say essentially yes diary,
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: and many of the same names and locations had appeared
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: in the that had appeared sorry in those recordings. They
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: also appeared among the buildings that were targeted during that rampage.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: The tape revealed a man who had spent years constructing
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: a narrative that connected nearly every major setback in his life.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Rather than viewing all these disputes, you know, the concrete plant,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: the sewer one, and all these various legal defeats as
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: separate events, Marvin saw them as a large pattern, a
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: connected pattern. He believed powerful people in the community were
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: working together against him, and that every loss he suffered
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: confirmed that belief. Investigators also recovered lists that contained names, businesses,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: and locations connecting to many of the grievances discussed in
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Marvin's recordings, and when compared to the route taken by
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: the bulldozer, well it matched pretty closely. For law enforcement
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: officials involved in the response, the evidence painted a very
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: clear picture of a very premeditated attack that had the
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: potential to become far deadlier than it ultimately was now.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Over time, Marvin developed a surprising number of supporters after this.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Some people focused on the years of disputes that preceded
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: the attack, and concluded that he had been treated unfairly
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: by local governments and business interests. They pointed to the
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: concrete plant conflict, the sewer disputes, and the repeated legal
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: defeats as all being examples of a small business owner
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: being overwhelmed by a larger and more powerful force, And
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: as the Internet grew, that interpretation spread far beyond just Colorado. Websites, videos,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: social media posts, and online discussions and even podcasts alike
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: gradually transformed Marvin into a folk hero in certain circles,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: and the Bulldozer itself became part of that legend. The
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: machine's ability to withstand gunfire, resist police intervention, and continue
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: operating for more than two hours helped create the image
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: of Marvin as a lone individual standing against authority, a
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: David vers Goliath situation, if you will. Annual references to
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Kildozer Day began appearing online, and countless retellings portrayed the
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: attack as a story of resistance against government outreach. What
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: many of those retellings omit, however, were some of the
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: details documented by investigators. The home, for example, destroyed during
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: the attack, belonged to a widow of a former mayor
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: who had died years earlier. She had nothing to do
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: with this. The library had been occupied by children who
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: had to be evacuated shortly before the bulldozer arrived. Multiple
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: buildings required emergency evacuations to avoid potential loss of life,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: and investigators concluded that gunfire had been directed both that
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: civilians and law enforcement personnel. The propane tanks even were
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: targeted during the attack, and they sat near residential areas
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: and even senior housing. Those facts became central to the
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: argument made by critics of the folk hero narrative. To them,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: the story was not about a man standing up to corruption.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: It was about a man who became consumed by years
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: of resentment, convinced himself that he was carrying out righteous mission,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: and ultimately attacked his own community. Even now, years later,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: the debate still remains largely active. Part of the reason
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: is that Marvin does not fit neatly into a simple category.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: He was not a lifelong criminal. He was a skilled welder.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: He was a veteran, a small business owner, and by
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: many accounts, a generous friend. Even people who strongly condemn
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: his actions often acknowledge his intelligence and his remarkable mechanical ability. Today,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: the Bulldozer itself actually no longer exists, though after the
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: investigation was concluded, officials dismantled and scrapped the machine rather
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: than allowing it to become a permanent attraction or memorial.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: They even ensured that they spread out the remains of
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: the Bulldozer in various scrap yards to prevent people from
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: identifying it and recovering pieces as mementos. The buildings that
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: were destroyed during the rampage have largely been rebuilt, replaced,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: businesses recovered, and the town moved forward. Yet the story
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: never disappeared. For some, Marvin remains a symbol of resistance
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: against authority, and if I'm honest, I kind of get it.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: In a world where many people feel increasingly powerless against governments,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: giant corporations, and institutions larger than themselves, it is not
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: difficult to understand why parts of this story continue to
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: resonate with people. Unfortunately, the story doesn't end with that, though.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Whatever frustrations Marvin felt, and whether those grievances were justified
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: or not, his response ultimately inflicted real harm on an
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: entire community. While nobody other than Marvin lost their life
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: that day. Businesses were destroyed, livelihoods were damaged, and countless
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: people were left carrying the psychological and financial consequences for
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: years to come afterwards. And people could have but luckily
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: did not, lose their life. Over time, he let his
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: resentment consume nearly everything. And while some may admire his defiance,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: what happened on June fourth, two thousand and four was
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: not an act of heroism. It was an act of revenge,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: and it transformed a quiet Colorado town into the site
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: of one of the most extraordinary criminal incidents in modern
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: American history. More than two decades later, the story of
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Marvin he Mayer and the Kill Dozer continues to provoke arguments,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: inspire documentaries, and raise difficult questions about justice, revenge, and
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: the line between standing up for yourself and declaring war
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: on your own community. And that's the story of Marvin
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Hemeyer and the Kill Dozer.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: You honestly sum that up so well, yeah, because it's
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: totally is understandable, you can kind of get it in
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: a sense, right, But then he just went way too far,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: too far, It was too far. But how he was,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: you know, brought there or got there is understandable.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: He was a little guy and he kept getting spat
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: on and kicked and all this sort of stuff. Now
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was never he was never at
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: the center or fault for some of that. I'm sure
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: he could have been if he sold the property for
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: you know, almost five hundred percent return on him interest.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Honestly, just saying, just been what happened.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: But he may not have wanted to sell the property,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: and it was his to do with what he wanted. However,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: the neighboring property was someone else's and there's to do
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: with what they wanted. So, I mean, I get it.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: He was a little guy and he was overshadowed and
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: he didn't like it. It sucks, But that doesn't mean
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you can do something like this.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: No, he really went like I Thankfully no one died,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: which is except for him, which is a freaking miracle really,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Like the officers did a really good job with that.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Hey, for sure. And I think the only saving grace
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: is the fact that bulldozers are slow. Yeah, so officers
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: were able to stay ahead.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So he just made his problem a lot of
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: other people's problem. Who a could have been innocent and
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: now you know, also struggling themselves or small business owners
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: because small towns are full of small business owners yep.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: And then so he just like kind of fucked up
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: their life too, exactly. And I'm assuming his plan all
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: along was just to kind of end his life.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know unless there was something in
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: that recording that I couldn't find in my research or
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: wasn't made public where he declared that. But I didn't
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: see that in any of my research. So as far
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: as I'm aware, we don't know. But likely I'll say.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: That, Oh my gosh, I don't know. This one gives
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: me a lot of mixed emotions, rightfully, So it's almost
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: comical too, right, which is not okay.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: I know, rightfully, so because it is a when you
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: say it in a short sentence, it's kind of comical.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: A dude got pissed off with local government officials, so
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: he built himself basically a tank and went and plowed
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: down their buildings. That's kind of funny when you say
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: it like that.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you do an elevator pitch of this case,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: most people their reaction would be to last.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, you could do like a comedy movie. Like I
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: picture like a two thousand and six comedy movie about this,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: you know, like like a super bad kind of situation
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: or something where it's like laughs and funny and all
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But it's the reality is this
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: was a scary situation. Yeah, people could have lost their lives.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Someone did lose their lives. I mean, I'm pretty sure
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: he planned it. This could have gone so many better ways.
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  Speaker 2: I totally get it. It would have been kind of
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  Speaker 2: cool for them to keep to kept this machine, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but I get it. They don't want to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: make him come across like as a hero, or glorify
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  Speaker 2: what he's done because it's wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, or even like memorialize a bad thing. Yes, say
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  Speaker 1: you know, like the destruction that happened. Oh, here's a
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  Speaker 1: piece of what had caused you all such harm and
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  Speaker 1: destruction and chaos, like it represents something negative. You know.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people. Yeah, they would want to
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  Speaker 2: see that or a picture with it, or a piece
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  Speaker 2: of it or something. And I honestly think this and
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  Speaker 2: say this often, but small businesses, they have people's expectations
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  Speaker 2: in them.
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  Speaker 1: Is through the through the world, Oh, it is through
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  Speaker 1: the roof, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the roof. Sorry, And they don't even necessarily have
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  Speaker 2: those kind of expectations for a place like Walmart or whatever. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but with small businesses, they have this huge expectation. And
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  Speaker 2: these people who are small business owners are working so
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  Speaker 2: frickin' hard, and you know, they're always trying to please everyone,
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  Speaker 2: and they do get shit on often. So that's why
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  Speaker 2: this is also just relatable and makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look at it this way. How many times it's
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  Speaker 1: a joke, Like it's literally memes on McDonald's getting orders
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  Speaker 1: wrong in the ice cream machine always being broken down.
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  Speaker 1: Yet people always go back to McDonald's. But you'll hear
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  Speaker 1: time and time again on a small business with a
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  Speaker 1: small restaurant, or they messed up my order, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going back there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they messed up one thing, and yet you're just
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  Speaker 2: done with them, Like you don't give them a second chance.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Or I didn't like the way the manager spoke
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  Speaker 1: with me. You actually got to speak with the owner
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  Speaker 1: who was like talking to you and like defending their
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  Speaker 1: their entire livelihood.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't give them second chances. But yeah, like
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  Speaker 2: we you know, McDonald's can literally mess up your order
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  Speaker 2: almost every time, and still you're just going through the
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  Speaker 2: drive through and it's convenient and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But I know, don't be wrong, I'm not talking shit
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  Speaker 1: about McDonald's means it's not good food for you. But
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  Speaker 1: I definitely go there far too often myself. I digress
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  Speaker 1: the little guy. I always get shitped on. And that's
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  Speaker 1: how Marvin felt. He was just cast aside.
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  Speaker 2: He was the little guy and he was done.
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  Speaker 1: He was done, but he victimized other people in the process, potentially.
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  Speaker 2: Other little guys, which is not good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this was an interesting one to cover. Like
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  Speaker 1: I said, it was on my list for a while.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad I got to do that research. You guys
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed this story. We're glad you're here along the way
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  Speaker 1: big ones. It's it's us and you. We work with
• 1:02:32
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  Speaker 1: No one tells us what to do. But hey, you're
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna leave it at that. Thank you for
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  Speaker 3: Oh oh
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