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Discovering Bitcoin with Pete Evans · Discovering Bitcoin

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Yeah, I see the world through an entirely different lens.
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It doesn't just give you confidence, but it gives you
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hope. Take like we're squandering our
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energy, our life force. So Bitcoin is changing that.
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For me. It's like it's healing energy.
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It gives you a kind of of a stand feeling right travel hole
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goes deep and deep and deep in the immortal works of the doors.
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The time to hesitate us through discovering.
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Pete Evans, How you going, man? Yeah, great, DJ.
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Thanks for having me. Good day, everyone.
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That's out there too. You are welcome and I'm pretty
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stoked to have you on. I must admit.
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There is, it's we're we're funny human beings.
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Like we kind of you see someone on the telly, right?
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And you're like, and then you see him in real life.
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And obviously we're talking over the Internet, so it's not quite
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real, but I am having a conversation with you and it's
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kind of like when you go, I guess, and see like a famous
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landmark on, you know, in real life, like you might see Big Ben
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or the Colosseum or something like that.
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And you kind of just go, this is really weird.
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Like I've had so many interactions with this entity,
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whatever it is. And then you know, you, you're,
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you're sort of chatting with with the person and you're like,
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oh, OK, that's really cool. I'm kind of that's cool.
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That's then I think just just acknowledge a little bit of
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gratitude and and thanks right off the Batman.
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Thank you. Thank you brother, means a lot
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to me and glad I'm an entity of some sort.
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An entity, A being. We're old as beings, right?
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Yeah, that's it, Trying to evolve.
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Higher no. It's weird because, you know, I
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used to watch MKL my my girlfriend at the time, now
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wife. And you know, it was kind of
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like our dirty little secret, you know, but it was a very
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compelling enjoying TV show. It's not so much anymore.
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But hey, let's just let be bygones be bygones.
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Let's get down to what we're actually here to talk about.
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How did you discover Bitcoin? Mate, what a great question.
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And yeah, like everybody probably very sceptical when I
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first heard about it and it didn't know anything about it
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obviously. And, and obviously when we're
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presented with something that we don't know about, a lot of the
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times we have this sort of this response which is probably a
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little bit based in fear, based in fear of, of what we don't
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understand and what we don't know.
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And so we just dismiss it. And I was one of those people,
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and it's a funny story, a dear friend of mine called Alex
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Fetsky, who's pretty popular in the Bitcoin community.
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We used to bump into each other at an organic store back in
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Bondi Beach going back 15 years, 14 years ago from now.
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And I always really enjoyed his energy.
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He was one of these very sharp sort of individuals that
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radiated a lot of energy. Yeah, whenever you, you saw him,
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he just had that, that persona, that, that character, that
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identity, that entity of just he, he, he, he's an individual
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that bangs his own drum and he bangs it quite loud, sourcing
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really, really beautiful produce.
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So a friend of ours had this organic store in Bondi Beach and
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we'd always bump into each other there.
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And, and over the years we formed friendship.
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And Alex came to be with quite a few different entrepreneurial
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ideas because I was in the restaurant space as a restaurant
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owner and a, and a chef at the time and writing cookbooks and,
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and being on television. And he was in the tech space and
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the entrepreneurial space, and he was always looking for the
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angle of what is missing and what can be added to the human
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experience to make life easier for those sort of the gaps that
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exist. And I believe, you know, like
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every entrepreneur that's out there, there are so many gaps.
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There are so many ideas that can help facilitate solutions on our
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journey of this technological evolution, whatever that may be.
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And, and so we bounced around quite a few ideas in the
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restaurant space, the online space, we got pretty close to a
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couple of them and it just didn't manifest for us.
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And I, I lost contact with him because I think he started
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travelling overseas and doing some other stuff.
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And I had a chance encounter with him at an airport in QLD
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for like 2 minutes, probably going back to 20/17/2018.
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And I'm like, Alex, what are you doing?
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He's like, I'm fully into Bitcoin.
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He goes, he goes trust me dude, trust me.
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Have a look, get into it. Like look, look into this
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technology and, and I dismissed it and, and I, I reckon if I had
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of, had longer than two minutes of that interaction, things
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would have changed for me. And it wasn't until early COVID,
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or maybe even just before COVID or something.
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And, and Alex invited me onto his podcast to talk about health
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and looking at what foods can help us along our journey of
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long term regenerative health. And subsequently, I invited him
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onto the podcast afterwards because we had this conversation
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about what he's been doing for the last couple of years and
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buildings Bitcoin ecosystem with his Amber app at the time.
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And, and so I invited him on and just to give people the
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background, I, I had a pod, I've got a podcast network called the
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Evolve Network. And I've at that time had done
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maybe 400 interviews on this podcast about long term
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regenerative health, everything to do with nutrition, doctors,
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scientists, professors, researchers, farmers, all the
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pillars of health, including psychedelic research, Emfs, all
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of it that encompasses how to be healthy or to remember what it
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means to be healthy and, and use those tools.
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And Alex was the first person that I interviewed outside of
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that health space on a topic called Bitcoin.
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And we spoke for about an hour and a half on that first
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Bitcoin. And he gave me quite an
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overview. And subsequently over the last
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five years, I've interviewed him about 20 * 3 or 4 or 5 or 6
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times per year just to keep educating myself and the people
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that choose to listen. And, and I was amazed because
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usually in those 400 interviews that I did prior, they were all
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just individual interviews. And I never went back really for
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a second or a third bite with these people.
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Occasionally I did two or three of the same people on sort of
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deeper aspects to their interest in the health space, whereas I
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found myself so hungry for what Alex could provide in the
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Bitcoin space. And, and it's so fascinating
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because I could probably do 100 or 200 podcasts with Alex if I
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really wanted to with with the knowledge that he has around
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Bitcoin. And over the last few years,
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I've interviewed people like Stefanine Amos, Mark Moss,
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Robert Breedlove, Natalie Brunel, Lily Douse, who MC the
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Bitcoin Vegas that I was invited to speak at this year, and
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others in the Bitcoin space, Brandon Quiddam and many, many
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others. And it's, it's, it's fascinating
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that I as this person that's a chef and has spoken about health
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for so long. My focus really over the last
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five years has been about Bitcoin.
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And, and I don't say that lightly.
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I, I say that as a very powerful statement that Bitcoin has
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definitely changed the way I see the world through a very, very,
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very different lens that I never thought that I would be looking
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through. And I'm so grateful for that
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experience and for the introduction and the education
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that I, I have had on this journey.
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And I, I still view myself as a Bitcoin novice, so to speak, and
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a Bitcoin beginner. I don't run a node.
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I don't mind. I don't really trade or transact
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in Bitcoin a lot. I have I've accepted it and
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I've, I've used it in very small amounts from peer-to-peer.
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So again, I, I would, I would call myself a novice as compared
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to some of the O GS in this space and the people that really
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embrace it. But I I embraced it through more
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of A at this point in time, more as a total student.
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Yeah, OK. And I love it.
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I love it. I mean, I've still read about
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Bitcoin probably an hour or more a day, especially the last year
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Bitcoin treasury companies, what Sailor is doing out there in the
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space and what metaplanets doing out there in the space and
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wrapping my trying to wrap my head around and and seeing in
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real time, but then projecting out into the future all the
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different possible tentacles that are being created from this
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one tool called Bitcoin. And it's so exciting.
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I think it's so exciting. It's like it's like, I still
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believe we're in our infancy. And I was recently on the
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podcast of this Fella's just like we were talking about my
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journey and he and, and I mentioned Bitcoin because I
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released a book, as you mentioned this year or you
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haven't mentioned, but I've, I've released a book about
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Bitcoin and ancestral diet and he goes, well, tell me about
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where do you think the price is going to be in years?
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And I'm like, may I that that's the lowest piece of the, the
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puzzle for me, even though it's obviously important.
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And, and during the course of that interview, I think he asked
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me three times, But what do you think it's going to end up being
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in the used time? I'm like, fuck, dude.
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Like I just told you, it's not the most important.
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And he's like, well, tell me what's important about Bitcoin.
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I'm like, I, I can't explain it to you in 10 minutes.
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I couldn't even explain it to you in an hour.
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Like maybe just start with reading Saffanin's book or some
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of these books that are out there on Bitcoin and watch some
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of these documentaries and start there.
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I mean, Saffron books would take you 40 hours, if not 100 hours
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to possibly read from all the different things.
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And even then you'll, you'll be at the starting point, but
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you'll have a wealth, a great foundation on which to build
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your knowledge base. Because I don't want to do any
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disservice by trying to explain to somebody what Bitcoin is in a
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10 minute grab. It's so difficult to explain
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what Bitcoin is. There's a there is a quote by a
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fella called Beauty on and he wrote an article, an essay a
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long time ago or a little a reasonably amount of time ago.
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It's just called Bitcoin is and that's enough.
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And that's always been my like, I mean, that's a very, I guess
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the philosophical definition of it.
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But the, the thing you've touched on when you're just just
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talking then about, about Bitcoin, first and foremost, I
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love the notion that you meet Swetzky, who we've had on the
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pod episode 100, I think it was in an organic food store, right?
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And and that's just beautiful because what I find is those
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connections sort of manifest over time.
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And when you incept Bitcoin into this, into it, wherever you can
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find a place for it, the Bitcoin puzzle fits in everything.
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And it's almost becomes like an Ikagi, you know, those
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overlapping Venn diagrams where it sits in the center.
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But all of these things sort of spiral around the outside of it
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and you can incept it. Like there's people that have
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incepted Bitcoin in their life and they're major developers,
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tech nerds. They love to get down deep down
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in the code. And then there's people that
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love to wax philosophical about it.
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And I'll count myself as one of those.
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And then there's like, you know, the think boys, but then there's
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like the health conscious people, the people that are just
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wanting to find ways to exist and sort of elevate themselves a
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little bit more, whether that's, you know, getting more sunshine,
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eating more healthily, whatever it is.
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And you can literally insert Bitcoin into that thought
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process and it will amplify the thing that you're doing.
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It's kind of wild, to be honest. I I agree completely.
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It is such a simple, simple yet complex yeah, it is tool and
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everybody comes at AI guess from a very different perspective.
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I went to Bitcoin Prague this year.
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I was invited to speak on a panel about censorship and and
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cancellation and, and the ways in which Bitcoin can offer a
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solution in those spaces. And it was fascinating because
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I, I stayed in this hotel in Prague and, and I was getting, I
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was going down getting a, a coffee in the morning before I
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went out to the, the thing. And I looked around the room and
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I saw a dude there and I'm like, you look like a bitcoiner.
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And I just sort of waved to him and he waved back.
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And then the next day did the same thing, saw him sitting
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there and I, I just walked over and I just said, Hey, I'm Pete,
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you know, who are you? He's like, I'm, I'm the Bitcoin
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mechanic. I'm like, yeah, OK, so, so yeah,
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but what's your name? And he's like, I'm just known as
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the mechanic dude. I'm like, sweet.
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And then that same day I went to I went to an after after party
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or something that was being hosted and I met a guy called
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Rockstar Developer, Uncle Rockstar, I think his name is.
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And, and he's got the whole anonymous sort of mask on and,
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and hiding his identity. I'm like, fuck, I, I'm meeting
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people that take this thing fucking very seriously about the
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whole privacy, the, the, the notion behind like I'm actually
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stepping out of not only one system, but actually many
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systems. And I ended up having breakfast
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with a couple of times with the Bitcoin mechanic during the, the
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course of my stay in the hotel, a lovely guys and he was with
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some of the crew from Ocean, the mining, mining, decentralized
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mining system. And just sitting there listening
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and asking those guys questions because mining, I've got not
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very little education about that space because I haven't
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interviewed miners before, but just sitting around sharing a
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coffee and and sharing some food and just listening to them got
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them talk about their side of the world.
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And and now I follow the Bitcoin mechanic and I'm watching what's
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going on with these the node. The.
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Node called the the conflict or whatever it is and I'm like wow
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like this is very serious to these people and and the the
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reason I'm saying that is I guess Bitcoin represents
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something very very very powerful and important to these
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people maybe more so than what I had been introduced to it
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through through my lenses. Even though very important that
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the people that are sort of protecting that ecosystem, if
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that's the right or the protocols of this, you know,
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this passion involved in what I'm seeing, you know, and they
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do not take it lightly and, and that sort of passion to protect
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something. And I, I, I have no comment on
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which is the right way forward because I'm, again, I'm a novice
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into this and a beginner and I would never put my own
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perspective forward because I don't have the, the background
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in it. But that gives me encouragement
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that Bitcoin is here for the long run.
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And there are very, very, very, very passionate people involved
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in the protection of it, no matter which lens you're looking
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through it. And yeah, I'm just stoked
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because it's such a different world for me to inhabit and be a
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part of in a very small way, but with with very open eyes and
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very open heart to witnessing how this one tool can influence
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not only individuals and communities, but I believe the
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whole world. And I, and I do think this is
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coming, whether people know it or not.
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Yeah, it, you know, I appreciate the humility of the fact that
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you're not willing to comment on something like the Node wars.
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And if you just catch it, if anyone knows Pete Evans, they'll
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they'll, they'll, and they've, they've, they've only read the
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headline, They'll think that you're just commenting on all of
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these wild things and having these opinions and and you just
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say things when that's clearly not the case.
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Because if you if you actually read behind the headlines, you
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actually engage with this person online that most of us interact
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with, you'll know that you actually quite think quite
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deeply about these things and will only ever pass a comment
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when you've actually got an informed opinion, right.
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And that speaks volumes. I think to, you know, you're not
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willing to comment on the node wars things, which means you've
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put the time and effort and doing the research and all the
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other things that you often, you know, get accused of being and
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it's just ludicrous and ridiculous.
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So there's that. The other point I wanted to just
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touch on is this notion of talking to the Bitcoin mechanic.
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And I don't know if that's the guy with the check engine light
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meme or grass fed, but the notion is that I was gonna, I
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was curious to know after those conversations, those
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interactions, particularly in Prague, have you found you
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adopting certain concepts that on the face of it are pretty
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disparate and seemingly disconnected from your world,
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your reality and how you interact with the the universe.
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And bringing those in to maybe reframe or reshape or slightly
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alter a way that you could approach anything like the
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notion of proof of work, for instance, which is comes from
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mining. I think that is applicable to so
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many different things. It's proof of work that you.
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Spend the time and energy to write the book and get it
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published and promote it and do the things.
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There's proof of work in the meal that you create.
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You can't just like have a have a meal.
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I mean, you can pay for one. Sure, you can, you know, flag
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the way to down. But the notion is that you have
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to demonstrate proof of work in order to get a high quality
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output or, or something to that effect.
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The notion that you've have you found yourself adopting concepts
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that you've been exposed to in Bitcoin and bringing them into
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your day-to-day? Yeah, as mentioned, I've, I've
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just released a book called The Primal Code.
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So it's Bitcoin ancestral diets and Huddling Your Health.
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And I'm, I'm wearing the T-shirt huddling your health that I got
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made-up to. And in that I, I do my best to,
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to show the correlation or the parallels between huddling your
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health and huddling your coins base or huddling Bitcoin.
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And one of the chapters is, is about proof of work.
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You know, if you are interested in looking after your health,
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then obviously the proof of work, it can take on many
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different forms. As you mentioned, it can come in
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the form of where do I source the best quality meat and
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seafood. If if you're choosing to eat
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that, you know, who am I going to support?
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Am I going to get myself a chest freezer and actually buy from
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the farmer maybe half a cow or one A1 cow each year and have it
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broken up and have all the pieces in the freezer so that I
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have a year's supply or half a year's supply of the best
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quality meat that I can get my hands on?
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And then am I going to do the proof of work to actually, and
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this is where it's really interesting, depending on which
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geographical location and your education base in the role of
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cooking in your day-to-day life, whether you do it yourself or
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your partner does it for you or you do it combined or, or you're
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outsourcing that, like you said, going to restaurants and you
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know, proof of work. I think, I don't think you can
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get any more proof of work than cooking for yourself or having
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someone cook for you the most well sourced foods.
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What however, you can get them with whatever budget you are on.
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You know, everybody has a different, different budget in
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which they can source and spend their money on to access the
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best or geographical location, what they can get locally.
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And I, I invite people, if you're not a confident cook,
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that it is a beautiful, beautiful skill to learn.
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And the proof of work is being able to invest the time to learn
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this skill. If you don't already have this
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as one of your skills and going on this wonderful lifelong
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adventure of becoming more and more confident to the point
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where you're a MasterChef or a master home cook, where I mean,
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I'm, I'm 52 years of age now and I just had my, my lawnmower
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fixed. Yes, last night.
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And, and our lawnmower guy came over at 5:00 in the dark to fix
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our, our big lawnmower because we, we, we maintain 200 acres.
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Talking about proof of work of land care.
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We spend 10 hours a week on the lawnmowers here.
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And, but if you look at our property, we've invested a lot
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of time. Yeah, it does.
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We just, we, we look after it. Proof of work.
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But the lawn mower man dropped in three fish that he had just
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caught the day before out of Brunswick's heads in in his
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boat. And he knows that I and my wife
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love good quality food And what could be fresher than fish
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caught the day before off his boat.
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He was caught that day. But what a beautiful experience.
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And all day today and last night after he gave it, I'm like, what
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am I going to do with this fish? To put a smile onto my wife's
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face and equally a big smile on my face.
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And honour it too. Oh, and honour it.
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And I can't wait to show him the photos after this podcast.
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I'm cooking the fish, one of them, and I'm going to show him
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his proof of work to spend the time to go out there to catch
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the fish, to bring it back, put it on ice in the esky, deliver
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it to me. And the chain of the process of
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that chain reaction to a beautiful dinner.
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So yeah, proof of work can be learning a new skill such as
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cooking. Proof of work can be going out
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there understanding where to get the best produce from.
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Proof of work can be educating yourself on what may be the best
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foods for you to consume, for you to huddle your health so
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that you can see the fruits of your huddling of your Bitcoin
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over the coming decades. Yeah, there's no point fucking
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huddling it and becoming wealthy and then.
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Yeah. Exactly I'll of a of a disease
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or a chronic illness that is 100%.
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Preventable. You have to bring a sense of
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intentionality. I think one of the cool things
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that Bitcoin can do for people and, and let's catch it in the
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fact that is a neutral protocol that does literally just, it's
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just a triple entry Ledger and just tells you who has what.
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But there is this kind of thing where you interact with this,
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this, this network, this protocol, this thing.
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It's like, it's so weird, it's so metaphysical, but it, it
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elevates some sort of sense of intentionality.
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So you get awakened to this notion of huddling your health
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and you think, OK, well, how can I, how do I do that?
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Like what do I need to know in order to do that?
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And then it might wake you up to the notion of looking around you
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at that local landscape and saying, OK, well, cool.
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Like actually, wow, we do have fish off the coast that I can
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access reasonably well. Or there are dairy farms in the
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hinterland that I can go and see.
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And and it kind of awakens you to this notion of you.
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You start to bring far more intentionality to your life.
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And then that has carryover effects and it all begins.
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I mean, doesn't have to always begin with Bitcoin.
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There's plenty of people out there that do those things
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without knowing Bitcoin. Trust me, I know these people
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and I really wish they discover Bitcoin.
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But it's just this kind of very complementary thing.
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And you have to be intentional in the way that you interact
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with the network, that you huddle your, your private key,
27:01
make sure that you store it away safely in disparate locations.
27:04
If you're running Mobstick, all of these different things, which
27:07
can get overwhelming and seem really complicated on the
27:09
surface, but it's the same as trying to, I don't know, quietly
27:14
ask the person at the markets if they know anyone that has raw
27:18
milk in the area. And you gotta put yourself out
27:20
there and be like, you know, I'm looking for some black label
27:23
milk. Do you is, is there anyone?
27:25
And then sometimes they look at you a bit weird.
27:27
And then other times they're like, well, you know, maybe.
27:30
And you're like, sweet, there's a lead.
27:33
But it's that whole thing. And I guess even with the
27:35
privacy aspect of Bitcoin, it's, it's very similar.
27:38
But yeah, this intentionality, I guess is what brings it out.
27:41
And then it does become demonstrable when you do do the
27:46
deed, the proof of work, and you have it laid out in front of
27:49
you. You know, it's it's pretty
27:51
remarkable like so. So I guess it has been
27:54
complimentary in your own life. And I guess one of the questions
27:59
I do love to ask on this pod is quick break.
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thank you for your support. How has discovering Bitcoin
28:46
changed you? Well, I'm going to you know what
28:53
it's one of the benefits has been going through the the
29:01
crashes, to be honest with you. Yeah, yeah, the.
29:07
The the amount that I've learnt about myself from investing a
29:15
lot of, I mean everything. If we can available.
29:20
Well, let's put it this way. Enough that it the question is,
29:29
have I lost everything when it when it goes down?
29:32
Yeah, because I was that convinced in when I discovered
29:39
Bitcoin and understanding why this makes so much sense on so
29:47
many levels, like so many levels in that first year of discovery,
29:51
I was like, got it. This speaks to me in a way that
29:58
looking after my your health and getting out of potentially as
30:03
much as you can pharmaceutical, medical industrial complex.
30:09
This just this spoke to me the same way.
30:12
And you know, people often say, you know, I remember Alex, he
30:18
goes, you know, I wouldn't put the bet the farm on it, but, you
30:21
know, put in what you're willing to play with or willing to lose.
30:28
Yeah, I bet the farm, right. Very good.
30:35
And then it went down whatever it was 70% to, you know, that
30:39
big crash in 2021 or whatever it was.
30:43
And it was like, OK, here we go. Yeah, what have I done?
30:51
And it wasn't, it wasn't so much what have I done?
30:54
It was just like, OK, let's test your conviction.
30:58
It made me hungrier to learn more about Bitcoin.
31:04
Wow, yeah. So it taught me and it's
31:08
fascinating the the level of calmness that going through
31:16
these couple of cycles. And I know other people that
31:19
have been in this game for a longer time have been through
31:23
quite a few of these cycles. But what it it has taught me so
31:28
much about not overreacting, it's taken away fear because
31:37
what it has taught me is conviction in the trust of
31:44
myself and the decisions that I've made and full
31:46
responsibility and accountability for making those
31:50
decisions. Betting the farmers, they would
31:52
say on this, this technology or or this, this opportunity and
32:01
this invitation to go on this lifelong journey because I do
32:06
see Bitcoin as a lifelong journey, which if you had have
32:09
asked me seven years ago or eight years ago, would I ever go
32:12
on a lifelong journey on on a tech technology?
32:16
As you said, you know, it's just three things that it offers
32:19
basically. You know, I would have thought
32:22
you were crazy, but but I'm, I've been so grateful for the
32:27
ups and downs of it. I'm more grateful with the downs
32:30
because it has again, just bought such a a beautiful
32:36
calmness to my reality. And you know, that can't be
32:43
underestimated because it's palpable.
32:45
I feel it. I feel it every day.
32:48
And even today where it's dropped whatever, I'm just like
32:51
sweet. Some people were picking picking
32:53
up some cheaper Bitcoin, like how fucking cool is that?
32:58
That on sale? That that it's on sale and
33:01
perhaps it'll it dip again. I'm prepared for it to go to 0.
33:06
I'll, I'll, I'm happy to bet it all on on this hill, you know,
33:12
as they say, I'll buy. I'll.
33:14
Buy all of it all the way down to 0.
33:16
So if people start want to want to sell, just FYI, if you do
33:19
want to sell, tank the price. No worries.
33:22
I mean I'll try, I'll find some dry powder and I'll buy it all.
33:25
I'll buy it all, send it to 0. Yeah, yeah.
33:28
So, so that's, that's one thing that it's taught me is, is a
33:31
greater sense of calm and trust and conviction into this.
33:36
And it's not like because the only thing I'm not evangelical
33:41
about it and I'm not fanatical about it, but as far as all the
33:46
options in wealth management and creation go, I have not found a
33:55
better opportunity. And, and it's not really an
34:00
opportunity that that's sort of a weak word to use a better
34:05
solution. And I guess I've been over the
34:09
last 15 years, very, very deeply curious about what are the
34:15
solutions for human beings. As I mentioned, you know,
34:18
dietary health, all the different pillars to long term
34:21
regenerative health, consciousness expansion,
34:25
psychedelics, these are tools that are available for human
34:29
beings to tap into to create a such a a wondrous experience for
34:39
our individual and collective journeys.
34:42
And, and Bitcoin just seems to be the solution at this
34:47
particular point in time for one of those key aspects, which is
34:55
holding onto your hard earned time and energy that you have
35:01
spent to earn a dollar, so to speak, or earn a sat.
35:06
And it's yeah, I was on Instagram today and I saw a
35:14
Wellness influencer and, and they were talking about XRP and
35:18
crypto currencies. And I don't want to pass a
35:24
judgement. I was just observing.
35:27
I was like, wow, like, is this your journey to go through this
35:31
to eventually get to understand what Bitcoin is?
35:36
And I, I've got so many people I know that like, have you read
35:41
the Bitcoin standard yet that are in the health and freedom
35:45
truth movements? Apparently, whatever that is,
35:48
Because I say, if you, if you understand what Bitcoin
35:52
represents and, and the potential solutions that it's
35:54
offering, I, I said you, you can probably stop yelling at the
36:01
agendas that you think have control of you and other people.
36:07
I believe Bitcoin solves 99.99% of the things that you're
36:11
yelling out at and, and perpetuating the US against them
36:19
mentality because it is just a, an idea, because you ask people,
36:24
well, who, who are they that you're fighting against?
36:28
Who are they? Well, you know, it's, it's,
36:30
it's, it's the big banks, it's the, it's the government's, it's
36:33
this, it's that, right. But who are they?
36:38
Yeah. And how much actual influence do
36:40
they have on your day-to-day life?
36:42
Like and. If you expose yourself, sorry to
36:46
interrupt, but if you expose yourself to that energy, you
36:51
will feel it and then you will be looking for somebody to
36:54
blame. But you can, as you said with
36:56
Bitcoin, it's given you that sense of calm and scentedness.
37:01
You can kind of just have that in your back pocket and then
37:04
just go about your day and just be like, cool.
37:06
And I've got the solution. It's like, it's like Bitcoin
37:09
isn't a starvation. You know, it doesn't, it
37:11
doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't help.
37:13
The individual has to still act and, and, and work to resolve
37:18
the, the inner contradictions, you know, and, and the way that
37:22
they are in the world. You know, it doesn't, it doesn't
37:25
erase the feelings of fear and greed and, and, and stupid
37:29
mistakes and things like that. It kind of, it sounds tried, but
37:33
I've, I've written about this, but I mean, and this isn't a
37:36
original thought at all, but like it is a mirror effectively.
37:39
And it reflects the choices that you make day-to-day back to you
37:43
without any distortion. The mirror's not cracked and it
37:48
kind of shows you who you are by how you you act within that
37:52
reflection, I suppose. And so when you come along and
37:56
like, well, like, why are you engaging with this stuff?
37:58
You know, like, I get it totally.
38:00
Like it's annoying and it's evil in some instances.
38:05
But there is a solution. And you know what you could do?
38:08
You know, what be you, you would really be good at is taking all
38:11
that knowledge and that energy that you're directing to this
38:14
negative thing and passing it through the Bitcoin filter and
38:18
coming out the other side with, with, with far more conviction
38:21
and, and calm equanimity in order to really actually solve
38:27
this thing that you're, that you think you're trying to solve.
38:31
I suppose, you know, because by disrupting that though, Pete,
38:35
you disrupt the business model and there is kind of a business
38:38
model in there to, to, to, to, you know, perpetuate outrage and
38:44
you always got to go back to the incentives.
38:47
Yeah, yeah, under I, I agree 100% but yeah, so stoked to
38:54
discover Bitcoin and again, look very much looking forward to
38:59
learning more about it. And it's fascinating, you know,
39:02
and I mentioned Bitcoin treasury companies, you know, watching
39:05
Sailor speak and the different people in the space and everyone
39:13
seems to have their little nation and it's so fascinating
39:16
watching the ecosystem grow in. And I know some people don't
39:23
like what's happening in certain aspects, like we mentioned
39:27
before with the node wars and stuff like that.
39:30
Some people don't like Bitcoin treasury companies from what I I
39:34
follow a lot of people on the X and different platforms in the
39:38
Bitcoin space just to see everyone's perspective, you
39:41
know, and the Bitcoin lending companies that are out there,
39:47
you know, made dear friends with Maurizio, who has leaden of of
39:53
and, and I see other people are like they shouldn't exist.
39:58
And I'm like, really they're just finding a, a solution for
40:02
certain people that may need that for that figure that, and
40:05
that's what I see so beautifully in this space is it just seems
40:10
to be more and more. Like what like we were talking
40:15
about at the start with Alex and these concepts or these ideas
40:19
where entrepreneurs can see a gap in the marketplace or a
40:23
solution that they've probably needed in the past.
40:26
And like, why doesn't this exist?
40:28
And, and for me, like Lenin has helped me on my journey.
40:33
I'm not recommending them because it, it's a personal
40:38
choice that I made and I lose a little bit of accountability of
40:41
responsibility over my own coins.
40:43
But doing that, but I didn't want to sell my coins in the 1st
40:46
place, you know, but I needed to survive certain fluctuations
40:52
that I have created for my own thing.
40:54
And I'm like, and I asked Svensky like, does anyone lend
40:58
on Bitcoin? He's like, and I said, do you
41:00
trust anyone? And he goes, yeah, he goes, it's
41:03
probably not the best thing to do, Pete, you know, hold your
41:07
hold your keys, hold your coins type thing.
41:09
He goes. But if you if you're really
41:11
pressed and this is what you want to experience or go on this
41:16
adventure, he goes maybe have a chat with Mauricio from Lenin.
41:20
And I've interviewed Mauricio twice on the platform and I'm
41:23
like, yeah, this seems to work for me and it's helped me
41:28
through a few hurdles for myself and and we become mates.
41:32
So it was a Bitcoin Vegas, really.
41:34
We had dinner a couple of times. I'm like, and I said to her, I
41:37
said, I said, Maria, I don't have that many friends, like
41:43
good friends that I hang out with.
41:45
I said, I would like to hang out with you, dude.
41:50
Are you from Venezuela And you've got a Bitcoin lending
41:53
company. But apart from all that, you're,
41:57
I resonate with your person personality, dude, like, like,
42:04
and it's just so interesting that the different people that
42:07
you meet and, and I'm not encouraging people to, to use
42:11
letters. I would never invite or
42:12
encourage anyone to do this because I know everybody has
42:15
their own journey. But I guess where I'm getting at
42:19
is the seed that is Bitcoin has is growing into not a tree with
42:26
branches, It's actually growing into a fucking forest, a very
42:29
biodiverse forest with the people that can complete
42:36
appreciate the beauty that is growing from this seed and every
42:43
sort of facet that is emerging from this.
42:48
This is my perspective and take it or leave it.
42:53
It's just growing at such a into this beautiful.
43:01
Don't want to use the analogy of the forest, but I'll.
43:02
Use it. It's fine that.
43:05
I love it. Whereas some, some people look
43:07
at the tree and you know, that's not beautiful, but other people
43:10
look at that tree that's been built and they go, isn't that
43:12
beautiful? You know, and that could
43:14
actually serve my journey in this ecosystem because I never
43:21
like to put all my eggs into one basket except certain things.
43:25
And Bitcoin is the basket. But I but I just see so many
43:28
things emerging from this. And I've said this to, to people
43:32
that I know, like the people in the Bitcoin space have a perhaps
43:40
a very different vision of the future that they can create not
43:44
only for themselves, but for, I think the population or
43:50
solutions for the population. And I'm, I'm even when I was in
43:55
Bitcoin Vegas and Prague, I see these, these little territories
43:58
opening up, whether it be in Honduras or El Salvador and
44:02
different parts of the world that are creating new tax
44:04
systems, new new Visa or, or I guess residency options for
44:14
people. And I think we're, it's such in
44:18
our infancy that the people in the Bitcoin space just have
44:21
these, these wildly beautiful visions for the future because
44:26
they seem to have studied history in very deep detail.
44:32
And they're like, fuck that. I want to create this for the
44:38
future of humanity and the Ogs in this space and the people
44:43
that have gone full Bitcoin, they are going to be some of the
44:48
wealthiest people in on the face of the planet and no longer will
44:55
I believe these other billionaires and and agenda
45:02
driven people, the Bill Gates's of the world.
45:05
What we're going to I believe is getting created now the Bitcoin
45:11
billionaires, perhaps trillionaires of the world in
45:14
the coming future that will shape the solutions for a better
45:20
humanity. And again, I do not say that
45:23
lightly, but that's, that's what I can see, which is why I'm so
45:27
invested in the Bitcoin and not XRP and no other altcoin or
45:32
whatever you coins you want to call them.
45:36
Because the beauty of Bitcoin is the people that are behind it, I
45:40
believe or not behind it, but in into.
45:43
And I've had these. Yeah.
45:46
And and that that is just, and I don't use the word hope because
45:52
I, I, I don't hope that we have a better world.
45:55
I already live in a beautiful world and I create my own
45:58
reality. But yeah, well.
46:01
There's a lot of integrity, yeah.
46:04
And so when you have these people of high integrity that
46:08
generally tend to not suffer fools that do are willing to
46:13
roll up their sleeves and do the work that's required to build
46:17
whatever it is. If it's a Bitcoin beach and
46:19
Elzante or a circular economy in Canada or what, whatever the
46:23
case may be, it's like it gives, it's, it's, it's like a
46:28
permissionless system that gives you permission to just go and do
46:31
something and you're just gonna do it, you know, and, and it
46:34
really resonates with those sorts of people that are like,
46:36
I'm just going to go and do, I'm going to do it.
46:38
I'll figure it out. I don't know how I'm going to
46:41
get from A to B, but I'm going to figure it out.
46:43
And what's really cool is that I have this firm foundation from
46:48
from which to stand on. And if it all goes tits up,
46:52
well, I'll keep a little bit in the side and I won't be
46:55
destitute. Do you know what I mean?
46:57
But I'm going to give it a go. I'm going to actually have a, a
47:00
try. And there's that notion coupled
47:05
with the authenticity that I tend to, to, to, to find quite a
47:09
lot amongst Bitcoiners. There's a real genuineness about
47:12
them, but also that level of integrity that, you know, that
47:19
that they're not. I mean, I say that I can think
47:24
of something, I can think of some example, but you know what
47:27
I mean? Like, generally, on the whole,
47:29
they're good people and they want to do good things.
47:32
And that's not blowing our own horns.
47:34
It's just, it's one of the remarkable things I like having
47:37
on this pod is, is like just meeting literally desperate,
47:39
disparate people, just people all around the world who all
47:43
just are coalescing around this thing.
47:45
And they're generally speaking, incredibly nice people to just
47:50
have a yak with. And that's a cool thing. 100%,
47:53
You know, Yeah. What do you wish more people
47:56
knew about Bitcoin? What do I wish?
48:07
I wish they understood the the concept or the notion of who or
48:15
what Satoshi was and represents. I think that's that is the the
48:22
ultimate. I don't even know the word that
48:31
I'm looking for, but it's the when I explained to people that
48:37
Bitcoin doesn't have ACEO, it doesn't have an office, it
48:39
doesn't have a marketing team, it doesn't have the traditional
48:45
top tier down business model, so to speak.
48:52
And that the personal whoever Satoshi invented it and fucked
48:59
off disappeared. I, I, I, I find that just such
49:06
a, an alluring story because in in today's world, like, it's
49:18
just such an anomaly. It's a glitch in the matrix,
49:21
like I think it's been. I think that story alone is the
49:26
biggest glitch in today's Matrix.
49:29
It's like you. Just.
49:30
Switched off the ego entirely, you know what I mean?
49:33
Like like. Well, I think it's just perfect.
49:36
Like it's, it's, it's again, I mean that they people talk about
49:42
Bitcoin being perfect code or perfect mathematics or the
49:46
genius perfect invention so far that has ever been invented.
49:53
But underneath that store, that story, I think is just genius
49:57
and perfect. I don't think Bitcoin possibly
50:00
could have been as erotic or romantic without the Satoshi
50:08
story and the vanishment of that identity from that ecosystem and
50:14
from that that from the Bitcoin identity.
50:18
Like it's, it's, yeah, it's, it got me like that's, that's the,
50:27
that's the part that I'm like, fuck, like you couldn't write a
50:32
better script. I'm pretty sure they're going to
50:35
make, I think I was reading recently that they get there's
50:38
actually a film in the works about the disappearance, the
50:41
kind of the whole notion of of Satoshi disappearing, that
50:43
they've made documentaries on HBO and elsewhere.
50:46
But I'm pretty sure it's Casey Affleck is behind it.
50:51
But yeah, there that that is a very underrated aspect of of
50:55
Bitcoin too, to create an engineer protocol that serves
51:00
all of humanity for the best. Mine some in the vicinity of I
51:05
think 1,000,000 coins. And then just like, I don't
51:08
know, disappear, like literally disappear in whatever, you know,
51:14
notion that could, could mean, you know, and and literally
51:18
never hear from again and just kind of like walk away.
51:22
And it's not even like their real name.
51:25
It is a remarkable and underrated aspect.
51:27
I think you're right, yeah. And I would love that the
51:33
identity or identities never come out again.
51:38
That would be the ultimate story, the ultimate glitch.
51:42
Yeah, I mean, even Harry Selden from Foundation put his name
51:45
towards Psycho History. If anyone's a nerd, I just
51:50
watched the TV show. I I just read all the I spent
51:54
the last four years reading as many Azimov books as I could in
51:59
in full. I've just got into the June that
52:03
I did the Azimov. I think I read 200 of these
52:06
stories because I'm I'm find it and again, the the late stage
52:14
science fiction attraction for me is something that I never
52:23
thought I'd be reading at this age of my life.
52:26
And from from the June to the ASM of an hour, I'm reading Dan
52:31
Simmons Hyperion novels, which I think are fucking brilliant.
52:36
And I think Alex might have put me on to these.
52:43
The I've lived long enough to know when I'm going down a path
52:48
that may not make sense to me at this particular point in time
52:53
when I first start on a path of this.
52:55
And the science fiction books have been that for the last five
52:58
years. Like I read them every fucking
53:00
day. Like it might just be 10 minutes
53:03
or it could be an hour. There's something in these books
53:07
for me at this particular point in time that are resonating
53:11
very, very deeply. And perhaps it's that a lot of
53:14
this work was done back in the 30s, forties, 50s, sixties, 70s
53:18
and 80s of the 1900s that are so relevant now to where we're at
53:25
with AI and the robotic that are coming out at the moment.
53:30
But deeper, deeper into these novels that I find so attractive
53:36
is the potential of these tools, right?
53:42
Because they are just tools. They're just human inventions
53:46
that we can either abuse or misuse or use to help us along
53:52
the journey or just completely not use them as well.
53:55
You know, that is a choice that many will will come to make as
54:00
well. But I love the Asimov had such a
54:04
wonderful way of of talking about robotics and AI robotics
54:09
in particular as this tool. And very few of these books
54:13
really talked about the destructive nature or the
54:16
nefarious nature of what robotics may become or out of
54:22
AI, but more so the wondrous tools that humanity can use in
54:29
so many different ways and shapes and forms for us to have
54:37
a more wondrous adventure in life.
54:41
And, and I love in all of these books, they have the people that
54:45
shun them and they have periods of time where they completely
54:49
shun these technologies because they've grown to a point where
54:53
whatever has happened. But I just love the mystery of
54:57
it all. And I'm so grateful that I'm
54:59
present at this particular point in time.
55:02
And I guess I'm looking back through some of these wonderful
55:06
creative minds from again, 100 years ago, 80 years ago, 60
55:10
years ago, that we're predicting the ways in which we will be
55:14
using these tools or not using these tools.
55:18
And yeah, I'm captivated by it. And, and I, I, I view myself not
55:23
only as a student, but just the, an observer of the present
55:27
moment, but with a vision for the future, but with a big
55:31
question mark over all the potentialities that can come
55:36
from the present day choices that we make each and every day
55:40
going to the future as well. So yeah, I'm I'm my my goal and
55:46
intention in this and Bitcoin serves as one of the tools for
55:49
me is I have chosen and my intention is to be around for as
55:54
long as I possibly can in this human earth suit this identity
56:00
called Pete Evans, so that I can witness and observe and Co
56:04
create for the coming decades and however long that may be.
56:11
As again, I'm I'm 52. I feel like I'm not even halfway
56:15
into my adventure and and I I'm just so enthralled by everything
56:23
that's happening without it destabilizing me and becoming
56:30
ungrounded with with the so-called pace of the
56:34
technological revolution as well.
56:36
Because it's just like everything is perfect, always
56:38
has been. It always will be because we're
56:40
creating it that it's just the choice of how we inter interact
56:47
or respond or react or ignore or hideaway from it or embrace
56:54
these technologies. And everyone with their own free
56:58
will will make their own choices.
57:00
And yeah, I'm, I'm just stoked to be around at this point in
57:03
time. And, and I want to be here for
57:06
as long as I can because this show that is playing out on the
57:11
individual level and the collective level is, is the best
57:15
drama, comedy, horror, love story, like the science fiction
57:22
books. It's, it is science fiction as
57:25
well. I get it's, it's
57:26
all-encompassing and yeah, it's a beautiful story and we can tap
57:31
into it and we can also manifest into it and Co create.
57:35
Easily. So you got to have that.
57:39
You've got to cultivate cognition such that you can pull
57:42
the threads of the infinite potentials so that you can
57:45
exactly do effectively what you want to do.
57:48
If you again, going back to the, the beach on Alzante, like you
57:51
can just push reality. If you sit with it for long
57:54
enough, focus your attention on it long enough, direct enough
57:58
energy to it, you find that starts to bend and warp and, and
58:02
move to your will. And you can do that.
58:05
Like I, I did it quite recently. In fact, the AI tool thing I
58:13
think is an interesting thing because if you just interacted
58:17
with it from a, from a mainstream news headline, you
58:20
would think that, you know, in 10 to 15 years time, we're going
58:24
to have, we're going to produce some $300,000 amnesty bins and
58:28
we're going to dump our computers in them because some
58:31
idiot used the tool incorrectly. And now we all can't have nice
58:35
things. You know, like it's, it's kind
58:37
of this, this, the, the, the, there's too much fear peddled
58:42
and buy obviously the mainstream.
58:44
And that's kind of their shtick. That's how they, that's how they
58:46
generate their money. I know this 'cause I used to
58:48
work in the industry and it was fucking draining.
58:52
But the, the, the notion that once you, once you sort of
58:57
switch that off and, and actually go out and interact
58:59
with the world. And as you were talking about
59:00
with the forest metaphor before all these different, the seed
59:04
was planted, it's growing into a forest.
59:07
And now there's Bitcoin is walking through that ecosystem
59:09
and they're choosing their own adventure.
59:11
They're, they're choosing to interact with particular parts
59:15
of the forest. And the forest is incredibly
59:16
diverse. It has rivers and creeks running
59:19
through it. It has trees and vines and all
59:21
these different things, flowers and so on and so forth.
59:24
And as long as you're able, willing and able to, to interact
59:28
with it, you can choose your own adventure.
59:30
You can set up a lending company, you can set up, you
59:33
know, a, a treasury company. You can set up like a retreat,
59:38
you know, with the with the evolved sanctuary if you want
59:40
to. I mean, there's all these
59:41
different things that you can do.
59:44
And it's not to say that it just comes back off the back of
59:47
Bitcoin, but it does. It's kind of this beautiful
59:49
fulcrum. It's kind of this really great
59:51
lever to to amplify those things that you want to do and if you
59:57
want to pull from the infinite potentials.
1:00:00
You know, to use a dispenser term, you, you do need to, you
1:00:05
can do it a lot easier, I guess, because it affords you
1:00:08
optionality and bandwidth and therefore time and energy to
1:00:11
allocate some of your scarce resources per day to thinking,
1:00:16
how do I want to be in the world?
1:00:18
How do I want to carry myself through this, through this,
1:00:22
through the day? How do I want to respond rather
1:00:25
than react? And that for me personally, like
1:00:29
having Bitcoin in the back pocket has opened up that
1:00:32
consciously because I've been able to allocate those resources
1:00:36
from a purely innately curious person or as already it just
1:00:39
sort of cranks that to 11. And you just got to go out and
1:00:43
use that tool and, and, and, and use it in a way that is most
1:00:47
beneficial to you, your family, your community, so on and so
1:00:50
forth. And I think, yeah, I think
1:00:53
you're 100% correct. There's just a, a, an enormous
1:00:56
amount of like, it is just remarkable.
1:01:01
Like there's this Ramdas quote when he was talking to his guru
1:01:05
named Karoli Baba. And you're Ramdas, or I guess he
1:01:09
was Richard Alpert at the time. But he's looking around at like
1:01:12
the, the streets in, in, in, in India, and he's just this chaos.
1:01:16
And there's just this stuff everywhere.
1:01:17
And sometimes it's looks awful and sometimes it looks
1:01:20
beautiful. And his guru was like, it's all
1:01:22
perfect. Look at it.
1:01:24
It's all perfect. And he's like, I guess Richard
1:01:27
is trying to, you know, process this.
1:01:28
Like, what do you mean it's perfect?
1:01:29
Like there's shit over there and there's people bathing over
1:01:32
there and pissing and doing all these things.
1:01:34
And then he's like, but it's just, it is that's his.
1:01:38
It's perfect. And it took him such a long
1:01:41
time. And it takes like, it's still
1:01:42
taking me a long time. But like, that is a beautiful
1:01:45
metaphor. And I think you're absolutely
1:01:46
right. We've got front row seats to
1:01:48
like a grand show and it's just like, cool, man.
1:01:54
I, I, I resonate deeply with Rumdous's teacher and mentor.
1:01:59
You know, I, I, anyone that's listened to my podcast before
1:02:03
that I've been a guest. I'm like, everything is perfect
1:02:07
and always will be, always has been.
1:02:09
And I but, but, but, but how, how can you say that?
1:02:13
I'm like, because it is, because it couldn't be any other way.
1:02:17
And it depends on the perception that you have, like you said,
1:02:21
chaos. Like I watched RFK Junior today,
1:02:25
who's a dear friend of mine and we wrote, I did a book with
1:02:29
Children's Health defence earlier this year called Healthy
1:02:31
Food for Healthy Kids that he helped get connect for me to, to
1:02:37
be able to do it. And I've got a book coming out
1:02:38
in a couple of months called the Maha Cookbook.
1:02:41
And yeah, and he, he helped facilitate that for me as well.
1:02:46
And there was today him, Trump, doctor Oz group of people
1:02:55
talking about the links between autism, MMR, vaccines, Tylenol
1:03:03
of all things. And when I started this this
1:03:09
journey 15 years ago, talking about long term regenerative
1:03:12
health and releasing cookbooks, I met so many of these parents,
1:03:15
these these wonderful, beautiful families that had had children
1:03:20
that in all, all accounts they said were happy and healthy
1:03:24
children and they were vaccine injured.
1:03:28
And the mainstream media and people would make them feel
1:03:33
potentially like crazy. And here we are today in 2025,
1:03:38
watching the president of the United States saying we need to
1:03:43
spread out the vaccines because there's 80 different ingredients
1:03:47
and there's too much surprise the kids for certain kids.
1:03:51
And like, again, this is absolutely perfect.
1:03:54
What is happening today. And, and it's just, yeah, when
1:04:00
COVID happened, I mean, I was outspoken for that because there
1:04:05
were certain boundaries that were being potentially crossed
1:04:07
for my reality. And I was like, I'm not having
1:04:10
any of that. I'm, I'm not having any of that,
1:04:14
right? And but I also was in that state
1:04:19
of this is absolutely perfect, this process.
1:04:23
But I, I have full trust that this is happening for a
1:04:27
potential outcome, whatever that may be.
1:04:30
And we, and perhaps today was the start of that needle being
1:04:36
moved in that area of exposure and discovery of pharmaceutical
1:04:44
industries, vaccine manufacturers, that they aren't
1:04:48
all safe and effective, right? And I'm not anti vax in one way
1:04:52
shape or another. I'm just like, I've met so many
1:04:56
fricking parents that that the children were like one way and
1:05:02
then they had the MMR or whatever it might be.
1:05:05
And then the next day they had completely different children
1:05:07
and their whole lives changed into this really, really
1:05:12
challenging adventure that they had to go on.
1:05:14
And this five years ago or six years ago, pre COVID to talk
1:05:23
about vaccines, you, you wouldn't even be able to have a
1:05:26
platform. In 2025, you were the president
1:05:30
of the United States. Whatever you think of him and
1:05:33
Bobby Kennedy Junior, whatever you think of him, they're
1:05:35
talking about it. And and Trump said today he
1:05:40
goes, this is the most important thing that I want my
1:05:44
administration to be known for, to find out what is causing the
1:05:52
chronic childhood illness. I'm not really a hugely
1:05:57
emotional person, but I was driving to the surf, watching
1:05:59
the live thing, but tears in my eyes.
1:06:02
And then listening to some of the parents that he got out
1:06:04
talking about their vaccine injured children.
1:06:06
Tears in my eyes because I know this is such a pivotal moment
1:06:10
and such an emotional thing for so many people.
1:06:13
And I text Bobby afterwards. I said, mate, like so proud of
1:06:17
you, brother, I love you. Like, fuck, you brought tears to
1:06:19
my eyes today. And, and he responded, but it's
1:06:23
awesome. Sometimes we don't know the,
1:06:27
the, the reason that things happen at particular points in
1:06:32
time. We don't know what the reason
1:06:34
why things are happening now as well.
1:06:37
But I I like to sit in trust and acceptance, have my personal
1:06:46
boundaries as well, and identify what they are and take the
1:06:54
actions where I need to. And yeah, I'm not sure how I'm
1:07:02
going with this, but each and every one of us has a part to
1:07:05
play in this show, in this reality.
1:07:10
And some will be out there, the fighters and the, and the people
1:07:14
that are like the Kennedys and the Trump's and the sailors and
1:07:19
the spetskies and yourself that are actually, you find you're
1:07:24
the thing that you're passionate about and you're very talented
1:07:28
at doing what you do. And this is your creative
1:07:31
expression. And we can have many.
1:07:34
It doesn't just have to be 111 facet or one outlet of that
1:07:38
creative expression. I think this is this is the, the
1:07:41
what I like to invite people. We can wear so many fucking hats
1:07:44
in our reality. We do not need to be defined by
1:07:47
one action or one thing or one career or 11 label.
1:07:53
And we all have a part to play in this, this beautiful game of
1:08:00
life. And I know I'll go back to it.
1:08:04
I know the Bitcoiners are going to be so influential in the
1:08:08
potentiality of the beauty of the human species and what and,
1:08:16
and to envision what is possible to create systems and
1:08:21
environments and communities that I believe will be free of
1:08:26
this corruption and greed and manipulation that has existed
1:08:31
for some would say centuries, some would say millennia.
1:08:35
But I feel like with with this, we're cracking the code, so to
1:08:39
speak right now. Again, the glitch in the matrix,
1:08:42
it's it's happened. It's happened, yes, and I'm just
1:08:47
so excited to see what's going to happen from this point
1:08:50
forward. There's a term in evolutionary
1:08:54
biology called punctuated equilibrium, and it's when a
1:08:58
species sort of adapts in an evolutionary sense to a thing
1:09:03
and it just happens. It's already happened.
1:09:04
By the time you observe it, it's already happened.
1:09:07
It's gone. It's gone way past it.
1:09:10
And then it's just a matter of trying to catch up and put the
1:09:12
threads of the puzzle pieces together.
1:09:14
But I mean, ultimately we're kind of carving that that path.
1:09:19
And some are rivers and some are creeks, some are tributaries,
1:09:22
but we're all going to the same place and we're all trying to
1:09:25
make a positive contribution along that journey.
1:09:29
However we're carving that path. And it's a choice too, because I
1:09:34
think you're going to have a completely different reality to
1:09:38
if you're a person that watches and exposes yourself to the
1:09:41
energy of a current affair, then you are.
1:09:44
If you expose yourself to the energy of a Ramdas, for
1:09:47
instance, or a Ramdas lecture or something like that.
1:09:50
And you're gonna you're that's gonna shape your reality in ways
1:09:53
that you probably aren't even aware, particularly if you are
1:09:55
of of the lean of 7:00. I better TuneIn.
1:10:00
And you know, you're gonna you're gonna be exposed to a
1:10:02
whole lot of a lot of things and you're going to think that
1:10:05
there's problems in the world and maybe there'll be something
1:10:07
on the on the TV, you know, this evening where, you know, Trump
1:10:11
said that Tylenol causes autism. And it's like, well, he didn't
1:10:15
say that. And even you before, when you
1:10:17
even mentioned the word Trump and Robert Kennedy as it, you
1:10:21
still had to be like, I sort of couch it in clarifying like,
1:10:24
well, you know, and whatever you think about it, because it's I
1:10:27
hate that we have to always take that diverse it like that detour
1:10:31
just to sort of get back to the point.
1:10:34
Like because it's framed through the filter of Trump or framed
1:10:37
through the filter of these people that were quote UN quote,
1:10:39
not supposed to like we have to waste our time saying, oh, and
1:10:45
just I'm look, it doesn't matter.
1:10:47
You know what you think. And, and, and I'm not
1:10:49
necessarily the greatest fan. Like that is such a waste of
1:10:52
time because ultimately #1 He didn't say that that thing that
1:10:55
you're reporting on and leading with in the headline and #2
1:10:59
like, who cares? Like they're all politicians and
1:11:02
they're all, you know, like from that form when when they're
1:11:06
formless, like inhabits that form of a politician.
1:11:09
They're horrible people, but they also are just human beings
1:11:12
on the planet trying to serve and be of service.
1:11:15
And I think that's, that's the the bill and end all.
1:11:18
I could go on and I could rant for for the rest of the
1:11:21
afternoon. I won't.
1:11:24
I got one last question before we bring this in the land, Pete.
1:11:27
Awesome that I'm cooking fish. What does Bitcoin mean to you?
1:11:33
Bitcoin is what does it mean to me?
1:11:35
Well, I think we've covered that in so many different ways, to be
1:11:42
honest with you. What does it mean to me mean?
1:11:50
What does it mean to me? Wow, that's an interesting
1:11:54
question. How about this no comment?
1:12:06
No, I was going to say no comment.
1:12:07
Extrapolate everything we've just talked about over the last
1:12:10
hour or so, and that is what means to you.
1:12:12
How about we'll reframe it? If you could articulate Bitcoin
1:12:17
in one word, what would that be? I, I did 2-2 words and which
1:12:27
we've we've touched on and you, you touched on so beautiful
1:12:31
infinite potential. Bitcoin to me, represents
1:12:36
infinite potential. That is one of the best ways to
1:12:42
end the podcast. Pete, thank you for spending
1:12:45
some scarce time, finite energy telling us the tale of how you
1:12:47
discovered Bitcoin. It's been a pleasure and honour.
1:12:51
Right, I've loved this. Thank you so much and anything
1:12:54
that resonates. Happy days everything but
1:12:56
doesn't. Happy days as well.
1:12:58
Love you all. Thank you for having me and DJ.
1:13:01
You're a legend brother. Thank you.