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- 0:12Speaker 1: the news from the Australian. From the Australian, Here's what's
- 0:23Speaker 1: on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. It's Monday, July fifteenth.
- 0:28Speaker 2: The said, take a look at what happened.
- 0:39Speaker 1: An unforgettable moment in American politics. A gunman shoots Donald
- 0:43Speaker 1: Trump and kills the spectator at a rally in Pennsylvania.
- 0:48Speaker 1: Trump's right ear was grazed by a bullet apparently fired
- 0:52Speaker 1: by a twenty year old man who had climbed on
- 0:54Speaker 1: top of a building, reportedly armed with a high powered
- 0:58Speaker 1: automatic weapon. Secret Service shot the man dead as attendees
- 1:03Speaker 1: rushed to help the spectator.
- 1:05Speaker 3: Who'd been shot dead.
- 1:06Speaker 1: Here, a witness in a blood drenched USA T shirt
- 1:10Speaker 1: speaks to CBS News.
- 1:12Speaker 2: I said, I'm an Emerging Department physician, Bobby help you.
- 1:16Speaker 2: The guy had spun around, was jammed between the benches.
- 1:19Speaker 2: We had a headshot. Here, there's lots of blood and
- 1:23Speaker 2: here brainmatter.
- 1:24Speaker 1: On Monday, Republicans gather to endorse Trump as their candidate
- 1:29Speaker 1: at the National Convention in Milwaukee, as global condemnation of
- 1:33Speaker 1: the attack is led by Joe Biden.
- 1:35Speaker 2: It's sick. It's sick.
- 1:38Speaker 4: It's one of the reason were to unite this country.
- 1:40Speaker 4: You cannot allow for this to be happening.
- 1:42Speaker 1: Week Live now at the Australian dot com dot au
- 1:45Speaker 1: we have video, graphics, explainers and analysis and in just
- 1:50Speaker 1: a moment I'm joined from the United States by our
- 1:52Speaker 1: foreign editor Greg Sheridan, who says Trump's courage under fire
- 1:57Speaker 1: changes everything. Shots ring out at a rally in Pennsylvania
- 2:14Speaker 1: where Donald Trump is speaking to supporters. Secret Service agents.
- 2:22Speaker 5: Pounced shoots down.
- 2:34Speaker 1: The former president and presidential candidate is whisked from the podium,
- 2:38Speaker 1: blood splashed across his face. He lifts his fist to
- 2:42Speaker 1: the crowd, bold and defiant. There would be assassin Twenty
- 2:51Speaker 1: year old Thomas Matthew Crooks laised dead on a rooftop
- 2:55Speaker 1: more than two hundred and fifty meters away. One rally
- 2:59Speaker 1: attendee killed, a couple more critically injured. I discussed that
- 3:04Speaker 1: stunning scene with The Australian's Foreign editor Greg Sheridan. He's
- 3:08Speaker 1: in the US ahead of the Republican National Convention happening
- 3:12Speaker 1: in Wisconsin this week. I'm sure you haven't spent much
- 3:18Speaker 1: time imagining what it would look like if Donald Trump
- 3:21Speaker 1: was ever in mortal danger. But he responded in a
- 3:26Speaker 1: very defiant and strong way, didn't he?
- 3:29Speaker 2: He certainly did, And I think that will be the
- 3:31Speaker 2: iconic out of all this. When Ronald Reagan was shot,
- 3:36Speaker 2: he famously said to Nancy Reagan, Honey, I forgot to duck.
- 3:41Speaker 2: You know, Roosevelt was my favorite president of all time,
- 3:44Speaker 2: Teddy Roosevelt, when I want to ask.
- 3:47Speaker 4: Is American who is destroyed for social and industrial justice?
- 3:51Speaker 2: He was shot while he was delivering a speech when
- 3:53Speaker 2: he was running as bull moose Independent after it left
- 3:56Speaker 2: the presidency, and the bullet lodged in his breastplace. There
- 4:00Speaker 2: was a book or something that prevented it from going
- 4:02Speaker 2: through and killing him, but it did cause him pretty
- 4:05Speaker 2: bad bleeding, and he told the audience he had been shot,
- 4:09Speaker 2: but that wasn't enough to stop a bull mouse and
- 4:11Speaker 2: even just speech, and then went to hospital.
- 4:16Speaker 6: Secret Service personnel neutralized the shooter, who has now deceased.
- 4:20Speaker 6: The Secret Service spokesperson goes on to say that one
- 4:22Speaker 6: spectator was killed, two spectators two spectators were critically injured
- 4:26Speaker 6: so badly hurt One.
- 4:27Speaker 1: Of the most moving parts of the video of Trump
- 4:30Speaker 1: being shot, apparently in the ear on stage in the
- 4:33Speaker 1: rally was the actions of the Secret Service agent Greg
- 4:37Speaker 1: They rushed towards him and then they got him up
- 4:41Speaker 1: once they understood that the shooter had been neutralized, and
- 4:45Speaker 1: put their bodies around him and their heads around his
- 4:48Speaker 1: head to shield him from a bullet.
- 4:51Speaker 3: You know, we really saw the best of America there.
- 4:53Speaker 2: Didn't We absolutely you could see under there that they're
- 4:57Speaker 2: wearing best, thank god they are. But they fellanks around
- 5:02Speaker 2: the person they're protecting, so that the next bullet that
- 5:05Speaker 2: goes towards the person they're protecting them. And in fact,
- 5:09Speaker 2: this happened in Ronald Reagan chip.
- 5:11Speaker 3: A fu silat of shots fired a close range.
- 5:14Speaker 4: The President has hit, then thrown into his car by
- 5:16Speaker 4: an agent, a press secretary wounded in the head, a
- 5:19Speaker 4: secret serviceman, and a policeman wounded, a gunman captured.
- 5:24Speaker 2: One of the second agents rushed in front of the
- 5:27Speaker 2: president and was shot. And now he recovered, but he
- 5:30Speaker 2: was shot. He took a bullet for the president, and
- 5:33Speaker 2: if Reagan in another bullet, I would think that Reagan
- 5:36Speaker 2: would have been killed. So these folks. They rushed towards danger,
- 5:41Speaker 2: and they make a shield out of their own bodies.
- 5:44Speaker 3: Of course, the most famous presidential shootings are Abraham Lincoln
- 5:47Speaker 3: and John F. Kennedy. Those two presidents did not survive
- 5:51Speaker 3: their injuries.
- 5:52Speaker 1: But every moment of in Lincoln's case, the description of
- 5:56Speaker 1: that instance and in Kennedy's case, the video that we've
- 5:59Speaker 1: all seen a billion times is seed into our memories,
- 6:02Speaker 1: isn't it.
- 6:03Speaker 4: This is the latest information we have from Dallas. I
- 6:07Speaker 4: will repeat with the greatest regrets, two priests who are
- 6:11Speaker 4: with rether than Kennedy saying he has died of bullet wars.
- 6:16Speaker 2: That certainly is this is a and terrible situation. And
- 6:21Speaker 2: you know, we can't yet completely apportioned blame or anything.
- 6:25Speaker 2: But you know, people accuse Trump of in temperate language.
- 6:29Speaker 2: But I've been here in the United States this last
- 6:31Speaker 2: week or ten days, and every day the New York Times,
- 6:35Speaker 2: the liberal media are full of the idea that Trump
- 6:39Speaker 2: is the devil in Karnate, that he is an existential
- 6:42Speaker 2: threat to democracy, that a Maria cannot survive a Trump victory,
- 6:46Speaker 2: that this is the end of times and everything, and
- 6:49Speaker 2: you can just about imagine some idiot getting the idea
- 6:52Speaker 2: that well, wouldn't have been good if someone had assassinated
- 6:55Speaker 2: Hitler the four he took power, And the truth is
- 6:58Speaker 2: Trump's first term was a bit chaotic, but there was
- 7:01Speaker 2: nothing undemocratic about and he lost the election. The courts
- 7:06Speaker 2: overruled his objections to the election. Is perfectly entitled to
- 7:09Speaker 2: make legal objections to the way the vote was counted.
- 7:12Speaker 2: The courts ruled against him in all occasions, and no
- 7:16Speaker 2: injury was done to American democracy, Whereas I think the
- 7:20Speaker 2: Democrats now far outdone Trump in the way they've been
- 7:24Speaker 2: willing to rip up American institutions and destroy American norms.
- 7:29Speaker 2: You know, one of the view that these prosecutions of
- 7:32Speaker 2: Trump are a great, tesque, abusive process. They're intensely politicized prosecutions.
- 7:39Speaker 2: Now Trump engages in very intemperate rhetoric too, sure does.
- 7:43Speaker 2: But the comby our liberal left of American politics has
- 7:48Speaker 2: fostered an fear of hysteria and irrational alarmism about the
- 7:54Speaker 2: idea of what might happen if Trump wins the election.
- 8:00Speaker 1: The one rational part of the fear about Donald Trump is,
- 8:03Speaker 1: of course, the January sixth disorder at the Capital. Greg
- 8:11Speaker 1: we saw their Trump speak to a crowd, members of
- 8:14Speaker 1: which crowd then subsequently went to the Capitol and stormed it.
- 8:19Speaker 3: Several people have gone to jail over their conduct on
- 8:21Speaker 3: that day.
- 8:23Speaker 1: If there was going to be sort of armed disorder
- 8:25Speaker 1: in this campaign, Americans might have thought it would come
- 8:29Speaker 1: from those kinds of people, from proud boys or Maga
- 8:32Speaker 1: Trump fans. It hasn't, as far as we know, come
- 8:39Speaker 1: from that side of politics. What does that say about
- 8:42Speaker 1: the atmosphere that we're in.
- 8:44Speaker 2: Well, January sixth was not only spaceful, and I thought
- 8:47Speaker 2: Trump sections on the day were at disgraceful. But even
- 8:50Speaker 2: here you've got to try to keep in touch with
- 8:53Speaker 2: the facts. Trump, in his speech, which was emotionally inciting,
- 8:59Speaker 2: actually say march peacefully. He did use the word peacefully.
- 9:05Speaker 2: I heard it, I reported it, I saw it. I
- 9:08Speaker 2: know that everyone here will soon be marching over to
- 9:10Speaker 2: the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices
- 9:16Speaker 2: heard today. So you can't just kind of say that
- 9:19Speaker 2: that didn't happen. The Capitol police were wildly understaffed. These
- 9:25Speaker 2: vandals who stormed into the Capitol buildings. That was grotesque,
- 9:31Speaker 2: thoroughly deserves to be condemned. It was not a civil war.
- 9:36Speaker 2: It was a demonstration which became violent, And of course
- 9:40Speaker 2: there were hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of demonstrations that
- 9:44Speaker 2: became violent over the next few months in the Black
- 9:49Speaker 2: Lives and defund the Police demonstrations. Now, none of those
- 9:54Speaker 2: rendered Joe Biden morally responsible for the people who lost
- 9:59Speaker 2: their lives. And there is just a grotesque double standard
- 10:04Speaker 2: in which the absolutely condemnable and horrible things that Trump
- 10:09Speaker 2: says are presented as though they were a statement at
- 10:13Speaker 2: Dolf Hitler, which they.
- 10:14Speaker 1: Weren't coming up what an attempted assassination means for gun
- 10:21Speaker 1: control in America and for the presidential race. Today is
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- 10:40Speaker 3: Back after the break.
- 10:55Speaker 1: Greg The reports that the shooter was using an AR
- 10:57Speaker 1: fifteen semi automatic weapon, which is the gun of choice
- 11:01Speaker 1: for mass shootings in the United States. Donald Trump has
- 11:05Speaker 1: said in recent months that mass shootings are not a
- 11:08Speaker 1: gun problem, that they're more of a mental health problem.
- 11:11Speaker 2: These people are mentally ill, and we have to study
- 11:15Speaker 2: that also, because you know it's them.
- 11:17Speaker 3: They pull the trigger.
- 11:18Speaker 4: The gun doesn't pull the trigger, They pull the trigger.
- 11:21Speaker 1: He's promised the National Rifle Association that if elected, no
- 11:24Speaker 1: one will lay a finger on their firearms. He's also
- 11:28Speaker 1: promised to undo some Biden gun restrictions if he's re elected.
- 11:32Speaker 4: If the Biden regime gets four more years, they are
- 11:34Speaker 4: coming for your guns, one hundred percent certain.
- 11:37Speaker 3: Crooked Joe has a forty year record.
- 11:39Speaker 4: Of trying to rip firearms out of the hands of
- 11:42Speaker 4: law abiding citizens. He's always wanted.
- 11:44Speaker 3: To do that.
- 11:46Speaker 1: Do you have the feeling, Greg that this very hot
- 11:49Speaker 1: issue of gun control in America, will the conversation be
- 11:52Speaker 1: touched by this incident or not?
- 11:55Speaker 2: No? I wouldn't think so, not at all. I think
- 11:57Speaker 2: overall the incident will probably would be very very helpful
- 12:01Speaker 2: to Trump electorally and politically. The iconic give intell but
- 12:06Speaker 2: Trump defiant taking a bullet for America. Sometimes people don't
- 12:11Speaker 2: even think of Trump really as a human being. But
- 12:13Speaker 2: the truth is, if this bullet had been a quarter
- 12:16Speaker 2: of an inch closer to him, he would now be dead,
- 12:20Speaker 2: and the sheer shock of that would render most people paralyzed.
- 12:26Speaker 2: So Trump often seems like he's full of bluster and
- 12:29Speaker 2: where's the substance? But Trump was in possession of he
- 12:32Speaker 2: knew what he was doing, and he wanted to make
- 12:36Speaker 2: a gesture of defiance. I think this would be tremendously
- 12:41Speaker 2: beneficial to politically. Now, my own view of gun control
- 12:45Speaker 2: is the Americans of bananas on gun control. But you know,
- 12:50Speaker 2: you might say the Democrats are in favorite gun control,
- 12:52Speaker 2: the Republicans aren't, but the Democrats never make a serious
- 12:54Speaker 2: effort at it. You know, Urbata was president for eight
- 12:58Speaker 2: years and for a number of those years he controlled
- 13:00Speaker 2: the Senate and the House of Representatives, and nothing of
- 13:04Speaker 2: any consequence happened on gun control.
- 13:08Speaker 1: So how do we think this will change the calculus,
- 13:10Speaker 1: if at all, for the Democrats? Greg We now have
- 13:13Speaker 1: Trump in a moment of mortal danger, presenting himself bravely
- 13:18Speaker 1: a contrast to Joe Biden's image of frailty and confusion.
- 13:23Speaker 1: Does this make it more urgent for the Democrats to
- 13:26Speaker 1: persuade Joe Biden to step aside?
- 13:29Speaker 2: I think it does, Claire. So look, I only give
- 13:33Speaker 2: away a recorded quote here which will come to haunt
- 13:35Speaker 2: me of what I'm suggesting doesn't take place. But I
- 13:38Speaker 2: find it very hard to see how Joe Biden can
- 13:40Speaker 2: continue in a long run as a Democratic candidate. The
- 13:45Speaker 2: American system is very powerful, and it kind of runs
- 13:48Speaker 2: itself to some extent, but you do need a presidential leadership,
- 13:51Speaker 2: and Audrow Wilson famously in about nineteen nineteen had a
- 13:56Speaker 2: stroke and at another two years of its term to
- 13:59Speaker 2: run and his white friend things while he was more
- 14:02Speaker 2: or less incapacitated. America can do that, but it's not
- 14:06Speaker 2: the right way to run, and if you do do that,
- 14:10Speaker 2: you don't furnt up the sick reelection. I just don't
- 14:14Speaker 2: see how Biden can possibly continue on as the Democratic candidate,
- 14:19Speaker 2: although you know, we live in an age of infinite impossibilities.
- 14:25Speaker 2: The other thing is, I don't know if the New
- 14:28Speaker 2: York Times and CNN and we'll be able to talk
- 14:32Speaker 2: about Trump in exactly the same way as they have
- 14:34Speaker 2: been doing the last couple of years, when we could
- 14:38Speaker 2: go through a litany of things. Hillary Clinton paid for Dossia,
- 14:42Speaker 2: which was completely alleging collusion between Russian intelligence agencies and Trump,
- 14:48Speaker 2: absolute hoax, complete belooning Hunt. Biden's laptop turned up before
- 14:53Speaker 2: the last election, full of incriminating evidence about him, including
- 14:57Speaker 2: a lot of evidence of criminal activity and very embarrassing
- 15:01Speaker 2: stuff about his dad. Biden and his son both denied
- 15:05Speaker 2: that the tape was real, and the Biden campaign got
- 15:08Speaker 2: fifty one former intelligence chiefs to say it looked like
- 15:11Speaker 2: Russian disinformation, which turned out to be completely untrue. It
- 15:15Speaker 2: was one hundred percent of authentic laptop of Hunter Biden.
- 15:20Speaker 2: So those fifty one intelligence chiefs just trashed the reputation
- 15:24Speaker 2: of the which they had been involved in leading. And
- 15:28Speaker 2: then now Biden is asking the whole of the world
- 15:34Speaker 2: not to believe what it saw with its own eyes
- 15:37Speaker 2: in the debate when I'm.
- 15:40Speaker 4: In a fix the Texas, for example, we had one
- 15:43Speaker 4: thousand tillionaires in an.
- 15:44Speaker 2: Antic and in fact, I think the Democrats have been
- 15:48Speaker 2: much better serve to have little mini primary and select
- 15:53Speaker 2: one of their good state governors and a red hot
- 15:56Speaker 2: new vice president, something like that.
- 16:02Speaker 1: Greg Sheridan is The Australian's Foreign editor. We'll have live
- 16:07Speaker 1: updates from the Republican National Convention and all the other
- 16:11Speaker 1: flashpoints in American politics as today unfolds. Live at the
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