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- 0:00S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
- 0:06S1: and crew.
- 0:07S2: Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome what seems
- 0:11S2: impossible and live as you never imagined.
- 0:15S1: Delivering the truth daily.
- 0:17S3: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available.
- 0:21S3: And you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
- 0:25S3: that would make it worth it.
- 0:26S4: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
- 0:29S4: the life source, which is God.
- 0:32S5: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
- 0:36S5: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
- 0:39S5: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
- 0:44S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
- 0:48S1: and Crew.
- 0:50S3: Who doesn't love a good origin story?
- 0:53S4: Everyone loves a good origin story. You gotta tell the origin.
- 0:58S3: It start. Oh, boy. As mentioned a little while ago,
- 1:02S3: this is the 100th year of Moody Radio. We are
- 1:07S3: celebrating our 100th birthday this month.
- 1:11S4: That's pretty crazy.
- 1:12S3: Anyone else's mind?
- 1:14S5: Yes, totally. And God's faithfulness through that. But wow.
- 1:18S4: That's it is not easy to keep anything going for
- 1:22S4: 100 years. No. But no. And it's all God, it's not, uh,
- 1:25S4: it's not like, oh, we just, we had the best
- 1:28S4: station managers and we had the best VP of radio.
- 1:32S4: We have great people who work here. Yeah. But God's
- 1:35S4: faithfulness is the thing that sustains it all.
- 1:37S5: Gospel is unstoppable.
- 1:38S3: 100 years proclaiming the gospel. The first broadcast here on
- 1:43S3: Moody Radio, was a two hour program on July 28th, 1926. Unbelievable.
- 1:52S3: And you know, the cool thing about being a part
- 1:54S3: of something so historic, like Carl and crew is about
- 1:59S3: almost ten years old.
- 2:01S4: Yes. Uh, it would be.
- 2:03S3: It will.
- 2:03S4: Be actually, it would be this month that. No, this month,
- 2:07S4: next year that it's ten years old.
- 2:08S3: Yeah. So we have been a little chunk of that history.
- 2:13S3: Just a small little chunk. Yeah. And the cool thing
- 2:16S3: about something like Moody Radio is that the mission has
- 2:20S3: not changed. The voices have changed many times over. The
- 2:25S3: technology has improved. Yeah. You know, from those I want
- 2:29S3: to hear you're going to hear some clips. And all
- 2:32S3: throughout this month, we're going to be bringing in familiar
- 2:35S3: voices from the past. You're going to be hearing stories
- 2:39S3: this morning. You're going to be hearing from Phil Shapard,
- 2:41S3: who is kind of our resident historian here at Moody Radio,
- 2:45S3: a longtime radio guy. Oh, yeah. He co-authored a book
- 2:49S3: just out by Moody Publishers. This is Moody Radio 100
- 2:52S3: years Proclaiming the gospel. What. We've gotten to be a
- 2:56S3: little piece of that history and the gospel changes everything, right?
- 3:01S4: It really does. It really. And it's fun over. I mean,
- 3:03S4: so much has changed over the almost ten years that
- 3:06S4: we've all been here, uh, together at least. But the
- 3:11S4: gospel has been the thing that has never changed in
- 3:14S4: the midst of everything that we do and are doing.
- 3:16S3: And one of the, the awesome things about working for
- 3:20S3: Moody Radio is, you know, people who've listened for a
- 3:23S3: long time, they usually have a favorite personality, uh, over
- 3:28S3: the years, you know, you have people who will still
- 3:30S3: talk about, uh, Bob Murfin. Oh yes. Or Mark strand.
- 3:34S3: Or maybe you listened during the Chris Fabry days. He's
- 3:37S3: in afternoons now. But the thing that most that I
- 3:41S3: hear most often about Moody Radio is the impact that
- 3:45S3: it's had on people's walk with the Lord. It's never
- 3:49S3: about a person, even if people have a favorite personality,
- 3:53S3: which is totally fine. Yeah, it's always about what it's
- 3:56S3: meant to them over the years.
- 3:59S5: And their family.
- 3:59S3: And their family. People who grew up with Moody Radio
- 4:02S3: on in the background, maybe a grandmother who first introduced
- 4:05S3: him to him and introduced them to Moody Radio. So
- 4:08S3: I'd love to just do a quick a quick pop
- 4:10S3: up poll. And if you are new to us, hey,
- 4:14S3: that's great, we welcome you and we are glad that
- 4:16S3: you are here, even if it's just been this week
- 4:18S3: you just started. But I want to know how long
- 4:21S3: you have been listening to Moody Radio, or how long
- 4:24S3: Moody Radio has been a part of your family. Just
- 4:27S3: give me a quick text message. I would love to
- 4:29S3: know where you are listening from and how long you've
- 4:33S3: been listening, particularly if you've got some history with Moody Radio,
- 4:37S3: as I know many of you do. Quick text message
- 4:39S3: 805 557898 805 557898. Diana, how, how long does your
- 4:51S3: moody radio history. How far back does your moody radio
- 4:54S3: history extend.
- 4:55S5: My moody radio history started in the late 80s. I
- 4:59S5: was with another company, but I was helping with traffic
- 5:02S5: and news and sports via that company. So my involvement
- 5:06S5: did begin with Bob Murfin.
- 5:07S3: With Bob Murfin.
- 5:08S5: Yes. And then I joined mid mid 90s physically over
- 5:12S5: here with the Greg and Chris show.
- 5:14S3: So cool. And we're going to be hearing from Diana.
- 5:19S3: I mean she's, she's the longest running part of Moody
- 5:23S3: Radio from our team. So we're going to lean on
- 5:25S3: her a little bit. But we July is going to
- 5:27S3: be a very special month. It's going to cap with
- 5:29S3: a big birthday party at the end of July that
- 5:32S3: you're going to be able to be a part of
- 5:34S3: through radio. Of course, we. I would love to be
- 5:36S3: able to open up our studios and have everybody just
- 5:38S3: come in and have a big birthday party. I don't
- 5:41S3: know that that would be feasible, but we are going
- 5:43S3: to do our best and bring it to you on
- 5:44S3: radio with some with some voices from the past. Okay.
- 5:47S3: We've got listener in Tampa, Florida, who's been listening for
- 5:50S3: 17 years. Awesome. 17, 1756. Seven years, 14 years. The
- 5:57S3: couple listeners who. Six months. Yeah, 1.5 years. Has anyone
- 6:02S3: been listening for 20 or more years to Moody Radio?
- 6:05S3: Just send me a text. Oh, listening to the mid
- 6:08S3: since the mid 60s, listening from Oak Park.
- 6:10S4: That's awesome. That's 60 years.
- 6:12S3: That's a lot of years. 35 years listening to Moody Radio.
- 6:16S3: That's from 1240. Keep them coming. We'd love to hear
- 6:18S3: from you this morning. How long have you or your
- 6:21S3: family been listening to Moody radio 805 557898, 800 555, 78, 98.
- 6:31S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
- 6:35S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
- 6:39S1: Moody Radio.
- 6:40S3: So many of you listening to Moody Radio this morning
- 6:42S3: have been with us for a lot of years, which
- 6:45S3: is awesome. 8289 listening for 15 years. We've got a
- 6:48S3: listener in Chattanooga, a couple listeners from Chattanooga, MB w.
- 6:53S3: Listening for 40 years. Listening for four years 6509. Listening
- 6:59S3: in 1997. Started listening over ten years. Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
- 7:05S3: Been listening during service calls down by the station. I
- 7:07S3: would see the sign. I would see the moody radio sign.
- 7:11S5: Wonderful.
- 7:12S3: Awesome. So many of you texting in this morning. I'm
- 7:15S3: so glad that you are with us and that you
- 7:17S3: have stayed with us over so many years. Yeah. Personalities
- 7:21S3: have changed. The sound has changed quite a bit. But
- 7:25S3: boy oh boy, that commitment to the gospel 100 years
- 7:27S3: proclaiming the gospel. What did one of those early broadcasts,
- 7:32S3: what did it sound like? We've got a clip for you.
- 7:35S3: Take a listen to this.
- 7:37S6: Good afternoon, radio friends. This is the Moody Bible Institute
- 7:41S6: of Chicago, the West Point of Christian Service radio station WMBI.
- 7:48S6: The station, which is dedicated wholly to the service of
- 7:51S6: our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. WMBI. Transmits by authority
- 7:58S6: of the Federal Radio Commission on a frequency of 180
- 8:01S6: Kilocycles and the program which is being brought to you
- 8:06S6: during this hour, is broadcast from the auditorium of the
- 8:11S6: Institute and is brought to you by your announcer. H
- 8:17S6: a Hermansen, assisted by Mrs. B a Lovelady. As we
- 8:24S6: did last week, we'll have to beg off honoring all
- 8:31S6: the requests that have come in for this period, because
- 8:35S6: last week was letter week at WMBI. Hundreds and hundreds
- 8:40S6: of letters came in and many of them with requests
- 8:43S6: for special numbers for special programs. And I have here
- 8:49S6: in my hands a handful of requests for this period,
- 8:52S6: which it will be impossible for us to honor. We
- 8:56S6: trust that you will forgive us if we do not
- 9:00S6: try to include them.
- 9:04S3: Love that the early crackly sounds requests for special numbers.
- 9:09S5: Were so excited to.
- 9:10S3: Have Christian radio programs. What a special thing.
- 9:13S4: It was letter week.
- 9:14S3: Yeah, to.
- 9:15S4: Be.
- 9:15S3: Able to bring a Christian Radio Moody Radio, one of
- 9:18S3: the oldest, longest running Christian radio stations. We have Phil
- 9:23S3: Shepherd with us as we celebrate 100 years of Moody
- 9:26S3: Radio coming up.
- 9:27S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 9:34S3: July 28th, 1926. It's a bright summer day. A singer
- 9:40S3: stepped to the microphone on a brand new radio studio
- 9:44S3: here at Moody Bible Institute. Listeners heard the first words
- 9:48S3: from the initial broadcast over the air. I want you
- 9:52S3: to know him. Bill Shepherd joining us right now. He
- 9:56S3: has spent many years, served over 30 years as national
- 9:59S3: operations manager of Moody Radio. He's a moody, a moody
- 10:03S3: audio archive expert for sure. The new release, his book,
- 10:07S3: This is Moody radio 100 Years of Proclaiming the gospel. Oh, Phil,
- 10:11S3: where do we even start? Give us a little bit
- 10:14S3: of a context for understanding what was the radio landscape
- 10:18S3: like back in the the 1920s when Moody Radio entered
- 10:23S3: the scene?
- 10:24S7: You know, it was very much like the wild, Wild West.
- 10:28S7: There were people taking frequencies or wavelengths, as they called
- 10:32S7: them back in those days. And people saw a lot
- 10:35S7: of opportunity to make money because commercial radio, even though
- 10:39S7: it had been experimental in the decade before on small operations,
- 10:44S7: it wasn't commercial until 1920. And there were a couple
- 10:48S7: of people at Moody Bible Institute, Coleman Crowell, for one,
- 10:53S7: who saw the opportunity to advance the gospel. And so
- 10:56S7: they were praying from 1923, they prayed for three years
- 11:01S7: for a radio station to raise, to be raised up. Uh,
- 11:06S7: in fact, uh, the business manager of the institute AF
- 11:09S7: Gaylord was convinced of the potential because of Coleman Crowell
- 11:14S7: and and his ideas. He was a recent graduate of
- 11:17S7: Yale University with electrical engineering degree. And he had the
- 11:20S7: smarts to make it happen.
- 11:22S3: Share a couple of highlights from those earliest broadcasts. Those
- 11:27S3: those first couple moments on air. We just heard a
- 11:30S3: little bit of of one of the early shows. It
- 11:33S3: sounds totally different than most people are used to listening.
- 11:36S3: If they've been listening here in the last decade or so.
- 11:39S3: But talk about those early broadcasts.
- 11:42S7: Well, they were very simple. And the fact is they
- 11:46S7: were pioneering. They had nobody to follow. In fact, in
- 11:50S7: the introduction to the new book, This is Moody Radio.
- 11:53S7: This is what Kevin and I wrote to the visionaries
- 11:56S7: who learned through trial and error the pioneering concepts that
- 12:01S7: created Moody Radio. Generation after generation of Christian workers dedicating
- 12:06S7: their gifts and talents, standing on the shoulders of those
- 12:10S7: who preceded them. It was a matter of following the
- 12:14S7: best practices that you could think of and. And then
- 12:19S7: a lot of trial and error. All of the early,
- 12:21S7: early pioneers said it was trial and error, and they
- 12:25S7: got feedback. People called, people wrote letters. In fact, a
- 12:29S7: letter week 1929, they received 5000 letters in one week.
- 12:35S7: So they got feedback. And because Christian radio was new,
- 12:39S7: they had never had anything like it. It was a
- 12:42S7: wonderful time in the life of the church. They had
- 12:46S7: a friend throughout the week that would encourage them when
- 12:50S7: they needed uplifting. They were encouraged by WMBI in Chicago.
- 12:55S3: Wow. What was the. What was Chicago's reaction? Was there
- 12:59S3: any early opposition to Moody Radio in this in this
- 13:03S3: new thing that had come or that was being broadcast
- 13:06S3: now from downtown Chicago?
- 13:08S7: Interesting that you had asked that, because the Chicago Tribune
- 13:11S7: on the following morning on the first page had not
- 13:15S7: a criticism, but listen to what Elmer Douglas said. He
- 13:19S7: said at 730 the dedicatory program of station WMBI the
- 13:24S7: Moody Bible Institute. The tone of this new station is
- 13:28S7: remarkably pure piano. Instrumental, vocal and voice tones seem to
- 13:34S7: be transmitted with the last degree of technical perfection. The
- 13:38S7: musical program was high class in every sense of the word.
- 13:43S7: Our first critic, and it was a good one. But
- 13:47S7: also that day we heard from WGN, which was the
- 13:51S7: tribunes radio station, and they said that we had to
- 13:55S7: go off the air because we were out of tolerance
- 13:58S7: on our broadcast signal. But Coleman Kroll, uh, evidently was
- 14:04S7: quite a precise man. And as I said earlier, electrical
- 14:08S7: engineering degree, uh, he basically told them that's impossible. We
- 14:14S7: are within specs, and we never heard back from WGN.
- 14:18S7: But interesting enough, there was a list of stations who
- 14:22S7: were acknowledged for their technical perfection. Ah, let's just say
- 14:27S7: their quality and WMBI was on that short list. And
- 14:31S7: oddly enough, WGN was not. So we have a the
- 14:35S7: empirical evidence that we were solid, clear, and we were
- 14:41S7: on the ball as it related to technical expertise, all
- 14:44S7: from the very beginning.
- 14:45S3: Phil Stafford, our guest this morning, is we are celebrating
- 14:48S3: this month 100 years of Moody Radio, 100 years proclaiming
- 14:52S3: the gospel. This is Moody Radio as the book just
- 14:55S3: out that Phil co-authored. You know, when the. What role
- 14:59S3: did music play in those early broadcasts? And talk a
- 15:02S3: little bit about what had to come together for those
- 15:06S3: sounds to be broadcast? I mean, Jonathan, our current engineer,
- 15:11S3: he presses a couple buttons and we can play any
- 15:15S3: number of songs with just the press of a button.
- 15:17S3: But that was not so back then, obviously. Explain a
- 15:20S3: little bit what that was like.
- 15:22S7: Well, there were no buttons to push back in those days.
- 15:25S7: If you wanted to have music, you had to have musicians,
- 15:29S7: you had to have singers. And one of the benefits
- 15:32S7: that Moody Radio WMBI in those years had was it
- 15:37S7: had the best Bible teachers because of the faculty of
- 15:40S7: the Moody Bible Institute, and it had lots of singers
- 15:44S7: and musicians because of the students that had brought their
- 15:48S7: talents to Moody. And what a perfect opportunity for them
- 15:52S7: to use it for the Lord. And their skills were
- 15:55S7: used to create music. And so in the very beginning,
- 15:58S7: Wendell Lovelace was the first program director, and he had
- 16:01S7: a secretary, and he said we were the staff. And
- 16:05S7: what he would do would coordinate with students to come in.
- 16:09S7: A student would receive a little pass with their name
- 16:11S7: on it, and the time they were to show up
- 16:13S7: at the studio. So there was order in what was
- 16:17S7: taking place there. And they were able to maintain not
- 16:20S7: only the Bible teaching, but also the music. And the
- 16:23S7: music from the very beginning was, uh, was honoring to God.
- 16:27S7: And I, I really think that even the fact is, uh,
- 16:31S7: WMBI came on the air on July 28th, 1926. It
- 16:35S7: was a Wednesday evening, but the studios had been built
- 16:39S7: a half year earlier in anticipation of receiving that license.
- 16:44S7: But it didn't come. It didn't come. And so in
- 16:48S7: anticipation of it coming, the institute leased time on WENR.
- 16:54S7: And from March 3rd, 1926, they broadcast a couple hours
- 16:59S7: a day from the new studios, but over a different
- 17:02S7: radio station. So when July 28th came, they were ready.
- 17:08S7: They had already perfected the schedule. So to some degree.
- 17:13S7: And they were they were up and going. It was
- 17:15S7: almost like they had an audition or I should say
- 17:18S7: a rehearsal for a half a year. So when they
- 17:20S7: went on the air, they had it down.
- 17:23S3: Phil, as you have been, this has been such a
- 17:26S3: labor of love for you. I know you are. You
- 17:28S3: have spent a lot of time putting together the stories
- 17:32S3: and assembling this book. Let's talk about the 100 years
- 17:35S3: of proclaiming the unstoppable gospel, because the gospel is where
- 17:39S3: it begins and where it ends. That has been the
- 17:42S3: thread throughout every history, every decade of of Moody Radio's history.
- 17:48S3: What has this meant to you personally, as you've gone
- 17:50S3: through and just seen the faithfulness of God over 100 years?
- 17:56S7: Well, you had asked earlier listeners, how long have you listened?
- 17:59S7: I didn't text him because I was listening here. I
- 18:03S7: have memories of the mid 60s. So what is that,
- 18:07S7: 60 years. So I've been listening for to years. My
- 18:10S7: mom would faithfully play WDLMAM960 in our 1961 Mercury. I
- 18:17S7: can still see the dashboard and the radio in the
- 18:20S7: middle there up top WDLM because w was right in
- 18:24S7: the middle of the dial. So the little needle was
- 18:26S7: always in the middle of the dial. And so my
- 18:29S7: earliest memories were listening to W D, l, m, and
- 18:32S7: then when I was in third grade, my Sunday school
- 18:34S7: class got to go out to the radio station and
- 18:37S7: Dean Sipple, the first station manager. He interviewed me, asked
- 18:42S7: me my name, so I. I was on the radio
- 18:46S7: in 1963, so it's meant a lot to me. And
- 18:51S7: when I started really following Christ, making it sincere, seriously
- 18:56S7: making him the Lord of my life in the early 80s.
- 19:00S7: W d l'm Moody radio was instrumental in helping me grow.
- 19:06S7: Many old time listeners would remember Doctor Robert, a cook,
- 19:10S7: the man who always said, you know, walk with the
- 19:12S7: king today and be a blessing. There were times I
- 19:15S7: would sit on the edge of my bed and listen
- 19:17S7: and pray. It just meant so much to me. And
- 19:20S7: that's why I'm so thrilled I get to be a
- 19:22S7: part of this. And I've been a part of it
- 19:25S7: now since 1981, when I started at WDM, the station
- 19:29S7: that I went to as a boy, I ended up
- 19:32S7: working there, and from there came to Chicago in 1983
- 19:35S7: as an announcer on WMBI.
- 19:37S3: Wow, Phil, what a joy to have you with us
- 19:40S3: this morning. You're going to be hearing more from Phil
- 19:43S3: and other voices as we march through this very special month.
- 19:47S3: We are celebrating the 100 year anniversary of Moody Radio.
- 19:51S3: I want you to text the word radio to 805 557898,
- 19:57S3: text radio to 805 557898.
- 20:04S1: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to
- 20:08S1: cast and crew.
- 20:10S3: Well, this whole week we have talked about what it
- 20:12S3: looks like to be dependent on God and a beautiful picture.
- 20:15S3: Hopefully you're starting to grasp that or have it at
- 20:18S3: the forefront of your mind. But what about how God
- 20:21S3: allows us to depend on one another? Sometimes depending on
- 20:25S3: God is one thing. Depending on other, people can feel
- 20:29S3: maybe a little more scary. I've got two guests with
- 20:32S3: me this morning. They co-authored a great book, Kevin Chandler
- 20:36S3: and Tommy Shelton. The book is called The Hospitality of Need.
- 20:41S3: How depending on one another helps us heal and grow together. Kevin,
- 20:45S3: I want to go to you first. Give us the
- 20:47S3: backstory of how this book came about.
- 20:52S8: Tommy and I have been friends for, gosh, most of
- 20:54S8: our lives a long time at this point. And, um,
- 20:58S8: I have a ministry called We Carry Kevin, where we
- 21:02S8: work with families with physical mobility related disabilities. And a
- 21:07S8: question that I get a lot is how do I
- 21:10S8: invite people into my needs? How do I ask people
- 21:14S8: to help with my needs because I'm in a wheelchair. And, uh,
- 21:19S8: and so just through a lot of prayer and discussion
- 21:23S8: decided that maybe the best way to answer that was
- 21:26S8: to give examples from my life, um, about how I've
- 21:30S8: done that sometimes well, and sometimes not so well, but
- 21:34S8: by the grace of God, that worked out. And, and
- 21:37S8: through that process, um, realized that there were some examples
- 21:41S8: that Jesus gave us in his time on earth. And
- 21:44S8: so Tommy and I had always wanted to write a
- 21:46S8: book together. And I asked him if he would come
- 21:49S8: in and be a part of that process and really
- 21:52S8: expound on what we see in Jesus's examples.
- 21:56S3: Yeah. Kevin Chandler. Uh, he co-authored the book with Tommy.
- 22:00S3: He also has a non-profit. He mentioned we carry Kevin
- 22:04S3: and he speaks worldwide about friendship and disability. Tommy, I
- 22:07S3: want to go to you the title of this book,
- 22:09S3: The Hospitality of Need. When we think about hospitality, usually
- 22:14S3: it's us thinking about how we can prepare for others,
- 22:18S3: whether it's welcoming people into our home hosting. But how
- 22:23S3: is need in and of itself, and even allowing others
- 22:26S3: to meet our needs? A form of hospitality. It kind
- 22:29S3: of turns it on its head a little bit.
- 22:31S9: Yeah. So in just my recent last few months, I
- 22:35S9: think I would if I was rewriting the book, I
- 22:38S9: think I'd call it. I don't got this. Um, my, my, uh,
- 22:43S9: in my personal life and in my home, my house, uh,
- 22:46S9: my family, we've just had a lot of real profound
- 22:50S9: needs that stacked up kind of back to back to
- 22:53S9: back house stuff with a big house, plumbing, flooding thing
- 22:57S9: and unfolding saga of mold and then cars breaking down
- 23:02S9: and all kinds of stuff. And, you know, and I'm
- 23:04S9: preaching from the pulpit every Sunday, and I ended up
- 23:07S9: basically having to confess all of this to my congregation,
- 23:10S9: that my family's in real rough shape, that we need help.
- 23:14S9: I was almost shamed by my church for letting things
- 23:18S9: go unspoken for so long. Wow. Like my church leapt
- 23:22S9: into action and they even raised some money on a
- 23:25S9: GoFundMe because my insurance didn't cover the damage to the
- 23:28S9: house at all. Not one dime. And they were almost angry.
- 23:32S9: They were almost kind of put out that I let
- 23:35S9: any of those needs kind of stack up without asking
- 23:39S9: for help. And it really was interesting because the running
- 23:42S9: joke was, didn't you write a book about this?
- 23:45S10: And I said, I said, to be fair, I co-wrote it.
- 23:47S10: I did, I co-wrote the book.
- 23:49S9: But yeah, living it out, you know, the thought is
- 23:52S9: one thing. Even writing about the thought is another thing,
- 23:54S9: but living it out and is a completely different thing.
- 23:57S9: And I was so profoundly blessed by how eager my
- 24:02S9: congregation was to leap into action to, to serve me.
- 24:07S9: And it just struck me as how, how desirous we
- 24:11S9: are for it to be the other way around.
- 24:12S10: Yeah.
- 24:13S9: And it was like just proving the, the principles of
- 24:16S9: the book for me in real time that I really
- 24:19S9: want to be the one who meets needs. I really
- 24:21S9: don't want to be the one who has the need.
- 24:24S9: But it was such and continues to be such a blessing.
- 24:28S9: And I really kind of almost like want the same
- 24:32S9: blessing for other people like, you know, praise the Lord
- 24:36S9: when you have a need and you need to ask
- 24:39S9: for help because it is so it's so humbling, but
- 24:43S9: not there's no shame in it. It's all just humbling.
- 24:46S9: And you end up praising the Lord in receiving that help.
- 24:49S3: Wow. So much there. You know, you said, praise the
- 24:52S3: Lord for having to ask for help. I mean, Kevin,
- 24:57S3: I'm going to go back to you everything. I don't
- 25:00S3: know if it's just our pride or some of it
- 25:03S3: is culture. We don't want to admit that we have needs.
- 25:07S3: We fight against it. We want to project an image
- 25:12S3: that says, I can take care of this. Tell me
- 25:15S3: about your own experience of having to rely on other
- 25:18S3: people and the both the challenge, but also the beauty
- 25:22S3: of that. Give me your perspective.
- 25:25S8: My experience has been that, you know, there are times when,
- 25:29S8: because of my needs, I because of being in a wheelchair.
- 25:32S8: I need help with using the restroom and making food
- 25:36S8: and eating food and driving places and everything. Um, in
- 25:41S8: life that really involves moving around and, uh, so often
- 25:46S8: that I can be tempted to feel like I'm a burden.
- 25:49S8: And yet just as Tommy was pointing out, you know,
- 25:54S8: when we help someone, when I get to help someone,
- 25:58S8: I feel the joy of that. I feel the fulfillment
- 26:01S8: of that. And so I'm robbing others of that wonderful
- 26:09S8: feeling and experience. If I don't invite them into my
- 26:12S8: own needs, I'm providing an opportunity for people to feel
- 26:17S8: a sense of fulfillment or, or ownership or, you know, engagement. And,
- 26:24S8: and so that's, uh, my needs can be a tool to, um,
- 26:29S8: to really build people up and build, build others up.
- 26:34S8: And the other aspect of that is that as people
- 26:37S8: come into my need and help me with things, I
- 26:41S8: get to pay attention to their needs by proximity. We're
- 26:44S8: closer to each other and my needs are being taken
- 26:48S8: care of, so I don't have to worry about those.
- 26:49S8: I can I can turn my attention on them. And
- 26:53S8: through all of it, you know, oftentimes that leads to
- 26:57S8: deeper relationship and ultimately points both of us involved to
- 27:04S8: the Lord and our dependence on him.
- 27:07S3: Tommy, talk a little bit about your friendship with Kevin.
- 27:10S3: How did you two meet?
- 27:12S10: It's a fun story.
- 27:13S9: We met on a couple different layers. Kevin's mother ran
- 27:18S9: a crisis pregnancy support center, helped to run a crisis
- 27:21S9: pregnancy support center, and I volunteered. So I met the
- 27:25S9: whole Chandler family through that. I also was a DJ
- 27:29S9: on our local Christian radio station. So Kevin was a
- 27:33S9: fan of the show. The Chandlers were fans of the station.
- 27:37S9: So when I moved to Florida, we kind of stayed
- 27:39S9: in touch. And when he needed to visit, he and
- 27:42S9: my friend, uh, came down and stayed with me. So
- 27:46S9: there's even some hospitality that goes into us reuniting as friends.
- 27:49S9: And then we just stayed in touch on a much
- 27:52S9: deeper level, talking about different subjects, scripture, movies, the church.
- 27:57S9: And then, you know, maybe we should write a book
- 27:59S9: together someday. So we did.
- 28:02S3: That's awesome. Kevin, what's the difference between asking for help
- 28:06S3: and inviting people into your need? Is there a key
- 28:10S3: difference there?
- 28:12S8: Yeah. You know, there is a key difference. I think
- 28:15S8: it's subtle, but it's important as a lot of big
- 28:20S8: things in life are. And I think it's all about
- 28:23S8: our posture. When you are asking for help, it's kind
- 28:27S8: of a it can be, I should say, a transactional,
- 28:32S8: you know, I'm here. You're there. Yeah. Sort of thing. Hierarchy.
- 28:36S8: You could even say, uh, and yet inviting someone into
- 28:40S8: your knee, that's just a term that we came up
- 28:43S8: with to try and find that balance of more of
- 28:47S8: a shoulder to shoulder approach instead of me saying, hey, Tommy,
- 28:51S8: I need to use the restroom. Can you take me
- 28:54S8: to the restroom? The posture is more of, hey, I
- 28:57S8: need to use the restroom. Could we do this together?
- 29:00S8: And it becomes a yeah. Again, a shoulder to shoulder
- 29:03S8: project that we get to step into together because I
- 29:07S8: think a visual might be that our need is a
- 29:11S8: house that Tommy and I, for example, can walk into together.
- 29:16S3: Yeah.
- 29:16S8: To fellowship rather than I am the need or I
- 29:20S8: am the burden. It's like it's a third party that
- 29:23S8: we get to come into together.
- 29:25S3: That's a great picture, Tommy. What do you hope that
- 29:28S3: readers are challenged or encouraged by in this book? Because,
- 29:32S3: I mean, in the course of a lifetime, you you
- 29:34S3: never know when you're going to be in the position
- 29:37S3: to be the one who has the needs. Uh, you
- 29:40S3: said earlier most people would much rather be the one
- 29:43S3: who can meet the need than the one who has
- 29:45S3: the need. But what do you hope challenges readers who
- 29:48S3: who pick up this book?
- 29:50S9: I am excited that we are able to push against
- 29:54S9: what I think is a kind of a myth of
- 29:58S9: sanctified self-sufficiency. And I'm a preacher. You know, you know,
- 30:02S9: by calling and by trade. So I tend to look
- 30:05S9: at things through the lens of, you know, what is
- 30:07S9: the church preaching? What is it teaching? And I think,
- 30:10S9: and I don't think we did this on purpose, and
- 30:12S9: I don't know if it's America or what a lot
- 30:15S9: of the teaching that I hear coming from the church is.
- 30:18S9: One of this is how you can be more self-sufficient.
- 30:21S9: You know, you get out of debt, you become a
- 30:23S9: better employee. You become a better husband? You become a
- 30:26S9: better father. You become a better neighbor. And I think
- 30:29S9: it's all about this is how you don't have to
- 30:32S9: need other people. And I see that as running rather
- 30:36S9: antithetical to especially the the whole of Scripture, but especially
- 30:40S9: in the new covenant call that we have as the
- 30:44S9: church is, no, we're not called to be self-sufficient. We're
- 30:47S9: called to be actually interdependent. You know, we're all dependent
- 30:52S9: on Jesus. So it really is a myth that we
- 30:56S9: could be independent because none of us can be living
- 30:59S9: with Christ without him helping us. I mean to say
- 31:02S9: the absolute least of what Jesus has done. So I
- 31:05S9: guess I just want to recapture that. It's okay to
- 31:09S9: have needs, but but literally, it's almost like a call
- 31:12S9: to inventory your own life. And what are all the
- 31:16S9: opportunities for fellowship and interdependence that I am keeping from
- 31:21S9: the rest of my family and the rest of my
- 31:24S9: church family. Like, what are the ways that I am?
- 31:26S9: Like Kevin already said, what are the ways that I'm
- 31:28S9: robbing other people of an opportunity to step in and
- 31:32S9: meet need together?
- 31:33S3: The book is called The Hospitality of Need. How depending
- 31:36S3: on one another helps us heal and grow together. Text
- 31:40S3: grow to (800) 555-7898. I know you've been encouraged and challenged
- 31:46S3: by this conversation. Just text grow to 805 557898.
- 31:52S1: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.
- 31:55S5: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
- 31:59S5: to stay in your past. And I want you to
- 32:01S5: know and believe that today.
- 32:02S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
- 32:04S3: Love that conversation with Kevin and Tommy. He's. I think
- 32:09S3: it challenges. I don't know, it was it was challenging
- 32:12S3: to me. Anyone else find it challenging?
- 32:14S5: Oh, absolutely.
- 32:15S3: Hit right to.
- 32:16S5: The.
- 32:16S3: Heart. We are just so slow to ask for help,
- 32:19S3: you know. And I remember when my son was little.
- 32:23S3: He was. He's only. He's 13 now, but he has
- 32:26S3: almost caught me in height. Guys, this is.
- 32:29S4: It's grown fast.
- 32:30S3: And it's you know, that's always a big milestone for boys.
- 32:33S4: Yes. When they outgrow an adult family.
- 32:36S3: You outgrow an adult. And I mean, he had he
- 32:40S3: knew it was going to take longer. Many of his
- 32:42S3: friends are past their moms, but their moms are also
- 32:45S3: five four. And I'm like, when your mom's almost 511,
- 32:48S3: then you it's going to take some.
- 32:50S4: Years for.
- 32:50S3: You. So he's like, he's, he's between five eight and
- 32:54S3: five nine now. So he's like, almost, he's, he's I to,
- 32:58S3: I almost passed me, which, oh, what's a mom to do?
- 33:04S3: But I remember he started getting, he was one of
- 33:07S3: those kids that got frequent nosebleeds where anyone anyone nosebleeds.
- 33:12S4: No I'm.
- 33:12S3: Not. Oh my goodness. And so he would he would
- 33:15S3: wake up sometimes remember the first time that he had
- 33:19S3: a bloody nose in the middle of the night? He
- 33:20S3: was maybe you still in a crib. So he was
- 33:23S3: anywhere between a year and 18 months. And you know,
- 33:28S3: the first time you have no idea what's going on.
- 33:30S3: You're just like, they wake up and there's just blood
- 33:32S3: and it's it's a mess. Oh, man. But they started
- 33:36S3: to become, you know, fairly frequent. Sometimes it's humidity, sometimes
- 33:39S3: it's the air is too dry or, you know, any
- 33:42S3: number of things. If he gets hit with a basketball
- 33:45S3: in the nose, like hoo boy. But anyway, so one
- 33:48S3: night in particular, this was a couple years he'd already
- 33:52S3: been dealing it with with it for a couple of years.
- 33:54S3: He was probably around five. So I wake up one
- 33:57S3: morning and I see there's like little droplets of blood,
- 34:02S3: like a little trail. And I'm like, hey, buddy, are
- 34:06S3: you are you good? And he was like, I, I
- 34:08S3: had a bloody nose in the middle of the night.
- 34:10S3: And I said, well, well, why didn't you wake me up?
- 34:13S3: He's like, no, I know, I know you haven't been
- 34:16S3: sleeping great. I didn't want to wake you up. I
- 34:18S3: just dealt with it myself. Oh, and okay. Was this
- 34:22S3: an emergency? Absolutely not. But there was something in my
- 34:25S3: mama heart that broke a little bit to hear him say,
- 34:28S3: I didn't want to bother you. I didn't want to
- 34:31S3: wake you up, so I just tried to deal with
- 34:34S3: it myself.
- 34:35S4: Because for your perspective, you're like, you would never be
- 34:38S4: a burden. You can wake me up.
- 34:40S5: Anytime.
- 34:41S3: Anytime, day or night. And you know what I think
- 34:45S3: about that little story and how often we when it
- 34:48S3: comes to our relationship with God, we kind of take
- 34:51S3: the same approach. Like, have you ever heard somebody go, ah,
- 34:55S3: I mean, God's got so many other things to worry about.
- 34:57S3: I don't want to bother him with this little concern.
- 35:00S3: You know, he's trying to run the whole universe, don't
- 35:02S3: you know? And even if we don't say that, we
- 35:05S3: kind of have this, like, I'll go to God with, like,
- 35:07S3: the big stuff, right?
- 35:08S4: This isn't big enough to take to God. I'll just
- 35:10S4: handle it myself.
- 35:11S3: Like, do we do we have that same approach where
- 35:14S3: we're like, I, I got this one. I mean, I've,
- 35:17S3: it's not like a life or death thing. I can
- 35:20S3: handle it. When it comes to dependence on God, do
- 35:23S3: we realize how much God talks about his desire to
- 35:29S3: help us?
- 35:31S4: 100%. He desires it.
- 35:33S3: He really, really wants to hear from us and not
- 35:37S3: in a like, perfunctory sort of way, but like, I
- 35:41S3: want to read to you Psalm 121. I lift up
- 35:45S3: my eyes to the hills. From where does my help come?
- 35:50S3: My help comes from the Lord, who made heaven and earth.
- 35:53S3: He will not let your foot be moved. He who
- 35:56S3: keeps you will not slumber. You're not waking him up
- 35:59S3: in the middle of the night, by the way. Behold,
- 36:01S3: he who keeps Israel will neither slumber nor sleep. The
- 36:05S3: Lord is your keeper. The Lord is your shade on
- 36:08S3: your right hand. The sun shall not strike you by day,
- 36:12S3: nor the moon by night. The Lord will keep you
- 36:15S3: from all evil. He will keep your life. The Lord
- 36:18S3: will keep your going out and your coming in from
- 36:21S3: this time forth and forevermore. My favorite part of that's
- 36:24S3: the whole all of Psalm 121. But my favorite part
- 36:27S3: is those first two verses. I lift up my eyes
- 36:31S3: to the hills. From where does my help come? My
- 36:34S3: help comes from the Lord who made heaven and earth.
- 36:38S3: The qualifications for him to help you. Oh yeah. He
- 36:41S3: made heaven and earth. So whatever you got going on today.
- 36:45S4: He can handle it.
- 36:45S3: You're bringing it to someone who made heaven and earth.
- 36:48S3: For goodness sake.
- 36:49S5: Nothing's too big.
- 36:50S3: Nothing's too big for him. And so, you know, I
- 36:54S3: want to link this because I want to open phone
- 36:56S3: lines here. And Carl often talks about how when we
- 36:59S3: share our testimony, an important part of sharing it is
- 37:03S3: how is he helping you today? So it's, it's awesome
- 37:07S3: to share about the point of transformation, the moment of salvation.
- 37:11S3: Maybe he dragged you out of something way back in
- 37:14S3: 1976 and you've been walking with him. How is he
- 37:17S3: helping you to this day? And that's kind of pairing
- 37:21S3: this with acts 26, when Paul is standing before King
- 37:24S3: Agrippa and he tells his whole testimony and his conversion
- 37:27S3: story and the kind of guy he used to be.
- 37:30S3: But then in verse 22, he says, to this day
- 37:34S3: I have had the help that comes from God. And
- 37:37S3: so I stand here testifying both to small and great.
- 37:42S3: So I want to open the phone lines. I want
- 37:44S3: to know, how is God helping you to this very day?
- 37:49S3: That's simple. What is it that he's helping you with?
- 37:53S3: What are you going through? That you have the help
- 37:55S3: of the Lord? You know you're not alone in it.
- 37:57S3: How is God helping you to this day? Freedom Friday ish.
- 38:01S3: I mean, tomorrow's a holiday. So we're going to do
- 38:03S3: a little Freedom Friday on a Thursday. How is God
- 38:06S3: helping you to this day? 805 557898. (800) 555-7898.
- 38:14S1: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.
- 38:18S1: This is Carl and Crew on Moody Radio.
- 38:21S3: How is God helping you today? You know, I used
- 38:25S3: to serve in a ministry, an incredible mom's ministry with
- 38:28S3: a great friend of mine, and her name is Mandy.
- 38:31S3: And one of the things, you know, you have friendships
- 38:33S3: with people and you start to learn the things that
- 38:35S3: they say often. And one of the things that I
- 38:37S3: always remember her saying, whether it was a parenting challenge
- 38:42S3: or something we were dealing with in ministry, there were
- 38:45S3: challenges there. And she would always say, the Lord is
- 38:47S3: helping us ally. The Lord is helping us. And she
- 38:50S3: would say that all the time. And it was so true.
- 38:53S3: No matter what we were facing, the Lord is helping us.
- 38:57S3: Psalm 121 is kind of where we're camped out. I
- 39:00S3: lift up my eyes to the hills. From where does
- 39:02S3: my help come? My help comes from the Lord who
- 39:05S3: made heaven and earth. Sometimes we're slow to look to
- 39:09S3: the hills where our help comes from. God wants to
- 39:13S3: help us. So I'm asking you, how is God helping
- 39:16S3: you to this very day? 805 557898. Such an important
- 39:21S3: part of your testimony to share with people. Tony. First
- 39:24S3: time caller from Marion, Indiana. How has God helping you
- 39:28S3: to this day?
- 39:30S9: Well, uh.
- 39:34S11: I've been married 31 years and God has shown me priorities.
- 39:43S11: I almost lost my wife on Sunday. And she just
- 39:50S11: showed me that no matter what his status. And he'll
- 39:54S11: get us through.
- 39:55S3: Yeah.
- 39:57S11: Uh, everything checked out normal. Everything's good. Praise God. And
- 40:01S11: they have no idea. They they they told us it
- 40:04S11: was really crazy. You know, people take melatonin for sleep
- 40:07S11: and they think it's okay. And they said that that's
- 40:09S11: the only thing they can think of. It threw her
- 40:11S11: into a low heart, you know, they threw her heart
- 40:14S11: arrhythmia off and, uh, depressed her, you know, made sure
- 40:19S11: things didn't react the way they should have. And she
- 40:21S11: went out. But, you know.
- 40:23S3: Tony, is she back home now? Tony.
- 40:25S11: Yeah. She got, she got, she came home. They let
- 40:27S11: her home come home Tuesday evening.
- 40:28S3: Awesome.
- 40:29S11: Tony. She says she feels normal. She's a little tired,
- 40:32S11: but our faith is in the Lord. And he'll get
- 40:34S11: us through.
- 40:35S3: Awesome. Tony, thank you so much. First time caller, 31
- 40:39S3: years of marriage and you're seeing God help you to
- 40:41S3: this very day. Praise God that your wife is back
- 40:44S3: home and doing well. Avon calling in this morning from Lorain, Ohio.
- 40:49S3: How is God helping you to this very day?
- 40:53S12: The amazing thing about the Lord in my life, um,
- 40:56S12: he is helping me in every way. Um, the sanctification
- 40:59S12: process is amazing because it, it starts when I wake
- 41:03S12: up in the morning from everything from my attitudes to
- 41:06S12: the strength to get up and, and continue and to
- 41:09S12: trust that I'm going to make it through the day. Um,
- 41:11S12: with all the trials that come, so I. The Lord
- 41:15S12: helps me in absolutely every single way. My transportation, my business,
- 41:20S12: my bills, everything. My attitude and just. The Lord is
- 41:24S12: helping me in the sanctification process in every single area.
- 41:29S12: And that's what's amazing to me. Yeah, that's what's the
- 41:31S12: most amazing thing is my attitude, the way I think,
- 41:34S12: the way I look at things and just, I don't know,
- 41:36S12: it's just amazing. It's life changing.
- 41:39S3: Dan, thank you so much from Lorain, Ohio. Let's go
- 41:42S3: to Christina from Daytona Beach, Florida. How is God helping
- 41:45S3: you to this very day?
- 41:48S13: Good morning Allie and Carl and crew team. God has
- 41:52S13: truly proven himself so faithful to me over these last
- 41:55S13: few years, especially. I'm a blind woman. I've been blind
- 41:59S13: for nine years now. Um, to the to the credit
- 42:04S13: of my daddy, who went to the service when he
- 42:06S13: was 14 to take care of his own family. He
- 42:08S13: raised us to be very self-sufficient. And sometimes it has
- 42:12S13: been to my detriment because I love to. I love
- 42:15S13: to do everything by myself, but I'm learning. Every day
- 42:19S13: I pray and I ask God sometimes for the simplest things.
- 42:23S13: I said, Lord, please help me with this. By the
- 42:25S13: power of the Holy Spirit and I'm able to live independently,
- 42:29S13: cook for myself, do all types of things, but I
- 42:32S13: definitely give the praise and the glory to my Lord
- 42:34S13: and Savior, Jesus Christ.
- 42:36S3: Christina, thank you so much from Daytona Beach, Florida. Appreciate
- 42:40S3: your call, sister. As you're listening this morning, I want
- 42:43S3: to ask you, how is God helping you to this
- 42:47S3: very day? Because yes, we tell the story of how
- 42:50S3: God called us out of darkness and into light, but
- 42:53S3: it's that's not the only part of our story that's
- 42:56S3: worth sharing. We want to tell people what is what
- 42:59S3: does your faith matter today? How is he helping you.
- 43:04S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
- 43:07S1: Carl and crew.
- 43:09S3: Well, we have a treat for you this morning. We
- 43:12S3: have a special guest and we are going to get
- 43:14S3: to the reason for the interview. He's written a book
- 43:17S3: called Abiding Dependence Living Moment by Moment in the Love
- 43:21S3: of God. But his background, he's a banjoist, guitar guitarist,
- 43:26S3: rather a vocalist, a songwriter. His music has been featured widely.
- 43:31S3: His playing has been featured on albums by Dolly Parton,
- 43:34S3: Vince Gill, Reba McEntire, Alan Jackson, maybe you know some
- 43:37S3: of those names. Also Fernando Ortega. So I said, Ron,
- 43:40S3: can you get us started this morning with just a
- 43:43S3: little bit of a banjo riff? Can you give us
- 43:46S3: a little something? Because this is not an instrument that
- 43:48S3: we always get to hear very often. So give us something, Ron. Well,
- 44:00S3: if that doesn't make you feel like 4th of July. Ron,
- 44:03S3: thank you so much for being with us this morning.
- 44:06S14: Oh, thanks for having me, Ali.
- 44:08S3: Give me a little bit of your backstory. How long
- 44:10S3: have you been a musician?
- 44:13S14: Oh, I was 11 when I got my first guitar and.
- 44:17S14: But I was just sort of strumming, strumming, playing cowboy
- 44:20S14: songs and, uh, and, but then I heard bluegrass when
- 44:24S14: I was 12. And so dad got me a banjo and, uh,
- 44:27S14: he says, uh, I got you a banjo when you
- 44:30S14: were 13, and you didn't come out of your room
- 44:32S14: till you were 21. And it was kind of true,
- 44:36S14: kind of true. But by the time I was 16,
- 44:38S14: I had a car and I was working for my
- 44:40S14: dad's music store and, but I was mobile and I
- 44:43S14: went to festivals and jams and, and I was just absolutely,
- 44:47S14: as they say here in the South, I was eat
- 44:50S14: up with it.
- 44:51S3: When did you become a follower of Christ? Which did
- 44:54S3: you fall in love with first? Did you fall in
- 44:57S3: love with music first and then fell in love with
- 44:59S3: Jesus or the other way around?
- 45:01S14: Well, my mom, uh, had a history of like inner childhood,
- 45:06S14: horrible abuse. And she was on her third marriage, uh,
- 45:12S14: with my dad. And but then I was born in 64,
- 45:17S14: and in 66, she got saved.
- 45:19S3: Mhm.
- 45:20S14: So the, the, my two I had two older brothers
- 45:23S14: and I grew up with a different mother.
- 45:25S3: Wow.
- 45:26S14: Like she, she remarkably transformed because she found out she
- 45:29S14: had a father who loved her and, and, and she,
- 45:34S14: she was just taken up with church and Bible study and,
- 45:37S14: and she loved me really well. So by the time
- 45:40S14: I was six, I went forward in church. Wow. And, uh,
- 45:43S14: you know, I accepted Christ, whatever that means to a
- 45:45S14: six year old. But mom, mom got me the Family
- 45:49S14: Bible Library by Thomas Nelson. And I read a Bible,
- 45:52S14: the Bible stories, and she bought me a Bible, which
- 45:54S14: I still have. I was, I was six and, uh, and, but,
- 45:58S14: you know, really to me, I, and I was also
- 46:01S14: as I got eight, nine I was also reading Greek
- 46:03S14: myths and stuff. So God was a little bit Zeus like,
- 46:07S14: because I was reading a lot of Old Testament stuff
- 46:10S14: and it was a little bit like Zeus and less
- 46:12S14: like Jesus. And, uh, so it was, I was about
- 46:15S14: 17 and I was in a really legalistic church for
- 46:19S14: about nine months, which is a gestational period. And, uh, and,
- 46:24S14: and I felt terrible every, every Sunday when I went
- 46:26S14: home instead of feeling full of power. And, and, uh,
- 46:30S14: I had a conversation with a great friend of mine
- 46:33S14: named Eric Uglum that, uh, he said at one point
- 46:35S14: I was pouring all this out to him and he said, Ron,
- 46:39S14: we're not saved by what we do or don't do.
- 46:41S14: We're saved by trusting God. And I went home and
- 46:45S14: I read Galatians, which I'd read many times before, and
- 46:49S14: all the light bulbs went on. Wow. And so I,
- 46:52S14: I think, I think really that's the point at which
- 46:56S14: I understood, began to understand who God is and what
- 47:00S14: he wants. And that. So that was really that's what
- 47:04S14: I mark as the real beginning of my journey with God.
- 47:08S14: So I was 17, so it was really post. I was,
- 47:10S14: I was playing music and, and having fun with that,
- 47:13S14: but I, I've always had this thread of reading the Bible.
- 47:18S3: I love it. Ron, thank you so much for sharing
- 47:20S3: that with us. Ron block our guest. Let's talk about
- 47:23S3: abiding dependence now at the age of 17, you reading Galatians,
- 47:28S3: the lights go on and you start to see that
- 47:30S3: it's not about me trying to earn or work my
- 47:34S3: way into this salvation thing, that it's by grace through
- 47:37S3: faith alone. When did you start to understand what it
- 47:41S3: looked like to really walk in daily dependence on God?
- 47:45S15: Well, I had.
- 47:46S14: Uh, you know, back then I had a, a preacher
- 47:50S14: that was he was teaching, you know, you're when you,
- 47:54S14: you're saved to and you go to heaven when you
- 47:56S14: die and you're forgiven. And, but and then he was
- 47:59S14: also he taught Matthew six that if you seek God
- 48:04S14: and seek Him in his, his kingdom and his righteousness,
- 48:07S14: then food, shelter, clothing all this will be given to
- 48:09S14: you as well, right? So God takes care of our
- 48:12S14: needs as we trust him to do that. And so
- 48:15S14: I was a kid that wanted to play music. And
- 48:18S14: so I went, oh, if I seek God, he'll take
- 48:21S14: care of my needs so I don't have to worry
- 48:23S14: about the future. And, and the things that people in
- 48:27S14: my family were saying, how are you going to own
- 48:29S14: a home or raise a family and all that? So
- 48:31S14: I had this dual track of trusting God for, you know,
- 48:36S14: my sustenance and taking care of my needs and also
- 48:40S14: going to heaven when I die. But I did not
- 48:42S14: at all understand who I was in Christ. And so
- 48:46S14: I was just a separate, independent me with maybe a
- 48:50S14: little bit of God in me, Christ in me. And
- 48:53S14: then and then there's this great big I that was
- 48:56S14: trying to live my life like independent me rather than
- 49:00S14: Christ indwelt dependent me. And I didn't find that until
- 49:03S14: the mid 90s. Or let me say it, begin to
- 49:06S14: find that. Yeah. Find out who I am until the
- 49:08S14: mid in the mid 90s.
- 49:10S3: Yeah.
- 49:10S14: And it changed my life. It changed how I responded.
- 49:13S14: It changed everything. And of course you grow in that
- 49:17S14: and you learn to get quicker at abiding and returning
- 49:21S14: to recognizing your. In Christ is seated above all principality,
- 49:27S14: power and might and dominion and every name that is named.
- 49:30S14: And you're also indwelt by Christ who has the, the power, uh,
- 49:35S14: the love and the self control inside of you that
- 49:38S14: we've been given.
- 49:39S3: The book is called Abiding Dependence Living Moment by Moment
- 49:42S3: in the Love of God. It's a 40 day devotional,
- 49:45S3: 40 day meditation that goes deep into the beauty and
- 49:49S3: richness of the gospel. What are some of the mistaken
- 49:52S3: ideas about God and our relationship with him that you
- 49:56S3: sought to dispel in this devotional.
- 49:59S14: That, you know the biggest thing I encountered both in
- 50:03S14: myself and in other believers is the idea, the false
- 50:08S14: idea that you you were saved to go to heaven
- 50:12S14: when you die, and now you're down here and you
- 50:15S14: pray to God up there to do things and help you.
- 50:19S14: The reality is you were you died in Christ. Actually,
- 50:25S14: not not just positionally, but you actually the old you
- 50:29S14: is dead. Yeah. And it doesn't seem dead because you
- 50:32S14: still have stuff in your psychology and your soul that
- 50:35S14: you have to deal with, and God wants you to
- 50:38S14: deal with that with him. But you are dead. The,
- 50:42S14: the old you that was, that was the the old
- 50:45S14: you that the Adam life you is dead. And now
- 50:49S14: you are a Christ life you and and that Christ
- 50:54S14: life you is activated by faith, by believing the word
- 50:58S14: of God. What it says about you, and then stepping
- 51:02S14: out and acting as though it were true. And now
- 51:05S14: you're going to in doing this, you're going to it's
- 51:08S14: a learning curve. You're going to fail, you're going to
- 51:10S14: get up, you're going to fail, you're going to get up,
- 51:12S14: you're going to fail. And as you go along, you're
- 51:15S14: going to find a much steadier walk as you go along.
- 51:18S14: And you just keep getting up and you accept forgiveness
- 51:22S14: of God, and then you keep walking in who you
- 51:25S14: really are. You always return. If you sin, you always
- 51:29S14: return straight back to who you are and you go,
- 51:32S14: that is not who I am. I am one spirit
- 51:34S14: with the Lord. I'm holy. I'm dearly loved. Uh. Sin
- 51:38S14: is not my nature. Yeah, my, my nature is righteousness.
- 51:43S14: My nature is goodness and love to other people. So
- 51:46S14: that's the biggest thing is this, this idea that has
- 51:50S14: been propagated in through a lot of church teaching is
- 51:53S14: this idea of God is separate and holy, and he's
- 51:57S14: apart from us, and he's up there somewhere. And then
- 52:02S14: we have maybe a little bit of a deposit of
- 52:04S14: life in us that kind of helps us maybe overcome
- 52:08S14: some stuff. It's like the powerful life of the Godhead
- 52:11S14: in Christ. All the fullness of the Godhead lives in
- 52:14S14: bodily form. Yeah. And you are filled full in him.
- 52:19S14: That's what it says. So all the fullness of the
- 52:22S14: Godhead lives in Christ in bodily form. And for one,
- 52:25S14: we're in him. And. And we're in that fullness of
- 52:28S14: the Godhead seated in heavenly places right now. And all
- 52:33S14: the fullness of the Godhead is in Christ in bodily
- 52:36S14: form in us. So the fullness of the Godhead lives
- 52:39S14: in each side, inside each one of us. And it's
- 52:42S14: hard for us to believe that because we look in
- 52:44S14: the mirror and we go, oh, I did this and
- 52:47S14: I did that. And we define ourselves by our past actions.
- 52:52S3: And not by our present. You know, think about Romans six.
- 52:55S3: That's what's coming to mind as you were talking. Romans 611.
- 52:58S3: Really the whole chapter. But verse 11, in the same way,
- 53:01S3: count yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in
- 53:04S3: Christ Jesus. So even if I don't feel, I feel
- 53:08S3: like this war within me, that that our spiritual reality
- 53:12S3: is that we are dead to sin and alive in Christ. Right?
- 53:15S15: Yep.
- 53:16S14: Absolutely.
- 53:17S3: Ron, thank you so much. You've painted the picture beautifully
- 53:19S3: for us. Abiding dependence, living moment by moment in the
- 53:23S3: love of God. Ron Block, our guest this morning. Just
- 53:25S3: text Ron RON to 800 555 7898. Text Ron to
- 53:32S3: 805 557898.
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- 53:40S1: Super di is in the crew. It's Carl and crew
- 53:44S1: on Moody Radio.
- 53:45S16: Well, it is Thursday. It is just past 630 central time.
- 53:51S16: And that means it's time.
- 53:52S3: For make it a metaphor. This is our opportunity to
- 53:55S3: hear from Young Thunder. We give him a story. Jonathan
- 53:58S3: has a knack for finding the spiritual application for just
- 54:02S3: about everything, so we give him a story. His challenge
- 54:06S3: to make it a metaphor.
- 54:08S1: For finding nuggets of truth in everyday life.
- 54:11S17: It's a metaphor. It's just a metaphor, dude.
- 54:13S18: That's a metaphor.
- 54:15S17: It's a metaphor. I know it's a metaphor.
- 54:17S1: It's time for make it a metaphor with young thunder.
- 54:22S3: So I was out with my family, my husband, my
- 54:25S3: two kids, and we were walking back to our car
- 54:28S3: through a pretty busy parking lot, and all of a
- 54:32S3: sudden I hear a voice that sounded a little bit frantic. No.
- 54:38S3: Come back. And I and I look, and just as
- 54:42S3: I turned my head, I see this little boy, probably
- 54:47S3: no older than two, maybe three years old, and his
- 54:51S3: mom is standing behind at the trunk of the car.
- 54:55S3: She had backed into this space. She's at the back
- 54:57S3: of the car, was loading some things in the toddler
- 55:02S3: as toddlers are want to do it. So as she's
- 55:07S3: trying to load up the car, he takes off past her,
- 55:11S3: around the car, and I look and in a split second,
- 55:15S3: he is on the move. So I hear the panic
- 55:20S3: in her voice. I quickly see this toddler. And so
- 55:24S3: I did what any mom would do in that situation.
- 55:27S3: I was wearing probably 3.5in heels, but my instinct I
- 55:32S3: got down in full catcher stance like I play for
- 55:35S3: the Cubs or something. I extended my arms as wide
- 55:39S3: as I could possibly get them. I'm standing between her
- 55:42S3: car and another car. I stand with my arms spread
- 55:46S3: as he bolts. I'm totally now blocking his path. He
- 55:49S3: has no option but to run directly into me. I
- 55:52S3: grab him with both arms and scoop them up and his.
- 55:58S3: Another woman who was with the mom, I'm guessing maybe
- 56:01S3: an aunt or a grandma. She was standing right next
- 56:05S3: to me, but she had a cane, so she. Her
- 56:07S3: mobility was limited and she just looks at me and
- 56:10S3: she goes, great reflexes. And so in a split second,
- 56:16S3: I was able to be the catcher and keep this
- 56:20S3: little toddler from running, which was directly behind me, which
- 56:23S3: was all of the moving cars. And it was one
- 56:27S3: of those mom moments where she had we both had
- 56:31S3: the same thought in mind. We knew that this was
- 56:34S3: in a second. And I've been on the other side
- 56:36S3: of this, too. You need a little bit of help, Jonathan.
- 56:40S3: Make it a metaphor.
- 56:41S4: Oh man, I love this story, I love that. Okay,
- 56:44S4: let's just we're gonna walk it through. Okay? So we
- 56:47S4: can find the metaphor. Yes. As we go. So, uh,
- 56:51S4: you know what I think about? I think about the
- 56:53S4: fact that. And I'm gonna pair you with the other
- 56:56S4: mom because you're both moms. So you had to care
- 56:59S4: for this child. Uh, that that I think is is
- 57:04S4: conjoined because you understand it. You you've been there. You've
- 57:07S4: been in those moments, you're a loving mom who cares
- 57:09S4: for her children. And it reminds me of the love
- 57:13S4: of the father.
- 57:14S3: Mhm.
- 57:15S4: We run away more than we'd like to admit. We
- 57:20S4: take off down the road like a little toddler. Uh,
- 57:23S4: who who doesn't know the dangers that are ahead of him?
- 57:26S4: Even sometimes we we think his parents. How do they
- 57:29S4: not know how dangerous this is? But we don't. We don't.
- 57:34S4: In the spiritual metaphor, we're the toddler running off down
- 57:37S4: the street and we're about to run into danger. I
- 57:42S4: think about Romans 838 and 39 where Paul says this,
- 57:48S4: for I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angels,
- 57:50S4: nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
- 57:53S4: nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation,
- 57:55S4: will be able to separate us from the love of
- 57:57S4: God in Christ Jesus. This is the thing I thought
- 57:59S4: of the love that the father has for us. And
- 58:05S4: that's why I'm conjoining you and this other mother. Because, yes,
- 58:08S4: that mother had the love to say, no, you're running
- 58:11S4: into danger. Come back. And you had the love for
- 58:13S4: this child to be able to stop and catch him
- 58:16S4: and stop him from running into danger and keeping him safe.
- 58:21S4: The father loves us the very same way. His love
- 58:24S4: for us is infinite. It doesn't matter how many times
- 58:28S4: we run off into danger. If we are his, he
- 58:33S4: keeps us. He never stops loving us. He never stops.
- 58:36S4: He never says, man, I caught you last time. Figure
- 58:39S4: this one out on your own. We get hurts and
- 58:42S4: scrapes and things from our running away sometimes. Yet he's
- 58:46S4: always there to pick us up. He's always there to
- 58:48S4: get in the catcher's stance and say, I'm stopping you
- 58:51S4: from doing this because I'm running. I'm running to you.
- 58:54S4: This time. I'm catching you. I'm coming back. I'm getting you.
- 58:58S4: Because sometimes we don't come back to him on our own.
- 59:01S4: He has to get us. He has to come and
- 59:03S4: get us. I just think about the infinite love of
- 59:05S4: the father and and think about that today. I think
- 59:08S4: one of our greatest things is understanding really how deeply
- 59:12S4: the father loves us, because that deepens our relationship with him.
- 59:19S4: Think about how many times you've run off and how
- 59:23S4: many times he shouted after you, even though you've continued
- 59:26S4: to run. And then sometimes he jumps in front of
- 59:29S4: you and gets into that catcher stance and says, I
- 59:32S4: know you're running. I've still got you. And he pulls
- 59:35S4: you back in. It's the infinite love of the father
- 59:37S4: and it's a beautiful thing.
- 59:39S3: Make it a metaphor. He's done it again, folks. He's
- 59:43S3: done it again.
- 59:44S19: We're getting closer sometimes. Very well.
- 59:47S3: Love that spiritual application. Sweet, sweet story.