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Incident Audio: Occupants in an Abandoned Building & Strategic Shift · B Shifter

• 0:57
  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to B-Shifter John Vance, josh Bloom and Grant Light here today we are listening to audio from the Las Vegas Fire Rescue Department and they are a blue card user.
• 1:11
  Speaker 2: They are all in on the blue card system and we get some great audio out of them.
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: Today we're going to take you to a vacant building fire.
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: This had been a building that had been a nuisance to the city.
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: They'd ran out on it several times with working fires, but this time around they had some people still inside that they had to deal with.
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: Josh, what do you know about this?
• 1:34
  Speaker 3: Like I said, john, they ran on this building a bunch of times in that area.
• 1:38
  Speaker 3: It was a homeless camp.
• 1:42
  Speaker 3: It had been boarded up but the homeless kept getting into there.
• 1:46
  Speaker 3: The fire department knew they were getting into there Many, many, many fires in the building.
• 1:51
  Speaker 3: Fire department had the first few.
• 1:54
  Speaker 3: Companies had some information about holes in the floor and some other challenges with the building, and so as we listen to this you'll hear some of those things come across in the communications too of the critical factors that they knew, really almost like a pre-plan.
• 2:10
  Speaker 3: And then they knew that it was a homeless camp so there is life safety risk there.
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: So as we listen to this we'll just kind of break it down and talk about the incident.
• 2:23
  Speaker 4: Zone one tact five.
• 2:24
  Speaker 4: Zone one tact five four battalion one, battalion two, engine four, engine 10,.
• 2:31
  Speaker 4: Engine two zero one.
• 2:31
  Speaker 4: Engine one, engine five.
• 2:32
  Speaker 4: Engine three rescue eight.
• 2:32
  Speaker 4: Truck one rescue two zero four.
• 2:34
  Speaker 4: Truck eight, rescue 10, ems one and air resource one.
• 2:39
  Speaker 4: H-level building fire on third and Charleston, the reporting vacant building that's on fire.
• 2:48
  Speaker 4: They see black smoke coming out of the windows and eads Again responding units on zone one, tact five zone one, tact five All incoming units from battalion one.
• 2:59
  Speaker 1: The advice there are holes in the floor on the second floor of this structure, on the southeast corner, second floor, I believe.
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: So use caution if you're on the second floor.
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: Dispatch battalion one, battalion one.
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: Dispatch battalion one.
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: The contact address is going to be 300 East Charleston.
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: This will be an offensive strategy.
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: Command is going to be located on the Charlie side of the structure.
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: Do you have a smoke of flame showing from medium-sized two-story abandonded commercial building?
• 3:34
  Speaker 1: Offensive strategy.
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: Again, command is located southeast corner of the structure.
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: Dispatch battalion one, Charleston command Offensive strategy Command engine four Engine four go ahead and pull lines for fire control to the second floor.
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: Looks like you'll be operating in that west side of the structure, Second floor.
• 3:54
  Speaker 4: Engine four copy.
• 3:55
  Speaker 4: See if we're going to do a transitional attack.
• 3:57
  Speaker 4: The second floor has open poles.
• 3:59
  Speaker 4: Let's knock it down before we commit any further.
• 4:04
  Speaker 4: That's the second floor right now.
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: I agree with engine four.
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: Try and use big water to get it knocked down from the exterior of the south side.
• 4:14
  Speaker 4: Command engine ten has arrived from the west, we're blocking the boulevard due to traffic Engine ten.
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: Why don't you connect to that hydrant on the west side of the building?
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: Give me a report on conditions if you guys got the fire from any openings on that west side.
• 4:34
  Speaker 4: Copy.
• 4:34
  Speaker 4: We'll gather our own waters to fly on the west side.
• 4:36
  Speaker 4: Give your report on the west side conditions.
• 4:37
  Speaker 4: Rescue ten is on scene behind engine ten.
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: Engine two on scene on the east side of the building Managed to watch level one Rescue ten command.
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: I want you to pair up with engine ten and assist engine ten with fire attack on the west side of the structure.
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: Copy.
• 4:54
  Speaker 4: Rescue, ten copies pairing up the engine, ten Command permission, four for the follow up.
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: Go ahead and report.
• 5:02
  Speaker 4: We're able to get eyes on two sides, which will be the Charlie and Delta side If you have a confirmed fire.
• 5:10
  Speaker 4: It looks like to be on the second floor, right in the L shape in the corner.
• 5:16
  Speaker 4: On the second floor, the only entrance is over here to the east and it's a long, narrow hallway to get to where this fire is.
• 5:26
  Speaker 4: We're going to continue with the transitional attack.
• 5:29
  Speaker 4: Do the safety concerns?
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: Copy that engine four You're saying that the entrance is on the east.
• 5:35
  Speaker 1: So it's on the south east side where you're located.
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: Correct, the entrance to that compartment.
• 5:40
  Speaker 4: That's affirmative.
• 5:41
  Speaker 4: The entrance is on the second floor.
• 5:44
  Speaker 4: It's up those stairs but it's a long, narrow hallway to get to where this fire is.
• 5:48
  Speaker 4: I can use another crew to do a primary search of this first floor.
• 5:53
  Speaker 4: There's no en homelessness that can't be found in there.
• 5:58
  Speaker 1: Command copy Engine.
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: One command Engine one bye Engine, one command.
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: Once you come around to the Charlie side, this is engine four.
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: Complete a primary search on the first floor, charlie side, accessible compartments.
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: Copy primary search course four, charlie side.
• 6:14
  Speaker 4: Command truck one level one Truck, one command.
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: Go ahead and give us a roof report Position.
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: The best advantage Looks like it's probably going to be the northwest corner out of the smoke there.
• 6:26
  Speaker 4: Part one copy position best advantage roof.
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: Command inch 5, level 1 stage.
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: Inch 5, come up, you're going to be on deck.
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: Inch 5, come up, you're on deck.
• 6:35
  Speaker 3: So what we've listened to so far, battalion 1 got there first, which is not uncommon, so the chief gets there, gave a size up, but before they gave their size up you could hear they were still en route and the Battalion had known information about holes in the floor and described hey, we got holes in the floor and a second floor kind of said what corner of the building it is just as a pre-alert kind of.
• 6:57
  Speaker 3: So everybody responding in knows, though everybody who's on the first alarm had probably been the fires in that building before, but then went on, gave a size up, painted a pretty good picture of what was going on, and then the first engine got there and got their assignment from the strategic IC.
• 7:14
  Speaker 3: So it wasn't like the first engine pulled up and just did whatever they wanted.
• 7:17
  Speaker 3: The strategic IC was there in place, had done a size up, and then they were going to give out assignments, which just keeps it really clean, because in their system the Battalion does have a driver.
• 7:30
  Speaker 3: So as far as communicating and tracking and accountability, it's going to be real, clear and defined, and the incident commander still needs to communicate what the assignments are, so that everybody's playing on the same field, right.
• 7:42
  Speaker 3: So everybody understands the incident action plan.
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: So Engine 4 got an assignment it's their first do, so they had a good idea of what was going on how do you access the building and came back at one point the captain of Engine 4, and said a follow-up report to command and gave out some really good information on where's the fire, how are they going to access the fire.
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: Some needs of what they needed at that particular point described the L-shaped building, described that there were some stairs and goes into a center hallway but it's going to be a long stretch to get to where the fire is.
• 8:16
  Speaker 3: And then shortly after that, engine 10 pulls up.
• 8:19
  Speaker 3: Engine 10 got an assignment bring a water supply and do what they were going to do.
• 8:23
  Speaker 3: Rescue 10, which is an ambulance out of that station, pulls up and gets assigned just to work with Engine 10 so that they have one crew and in their system that they all just become one right, so that it goes from a four-person crew to maybe the six-person crew or five-person crew, depending on what the driver's doing.
• 8:44
  Speaker 3: Really, all the rest of the assignments we'd heard up to this point were working through to solve the fire problem and then the information comes from Engine 4 that we probably need to get a search of the first floor because it's a known homeless encampment and there was reports of people still inside the building.
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: So we heard them say holes on the second floor and in this case it was a concrete slab building on the first floor.
• 9:08
  Speaker 3: So there was not really a risk of holes and they'd been inside that building before and we are going to take risk right when we have belief that there's people inside the building.
• 9:18
  Speaker 3: So in this case they were working to put the fire out.
• 9:20
  Speaker 3: They were getting eyes on the roof from a ladder company.
• 9:23
  Speaker 3: They got another company to come up to support Engine 4 to try to start to get a search and really at that point had addressed all of the objectives, or the initial objectives and the initial critical fire ground factor.
• 9:36
  Speaker 3: So to get that next company moving forward, he puts Engine 5 on deck to really reinforce and support those other companies so that they could get an assignment.
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: But first and foremost in our system on deck is the Rapid Intervention Team.
• 9:50
  Speaker 5: So they were right there in place because there were crews operating inside the building in IDLH the Captain of Engine 4, it was obvious that it was his first in company's area because the chief gave him an assignment and he corrected him and said hey, we know there's a lot of floors and holes in this part of the floor area.
• 10:09
  Speaker 5: How about if we hit it from the outside with some big water and then transition in?
• 10:13
  Speaker 5: And so I think that when the chief agreed so it was good that chief took his advice because he's taking the advice of a first in company officer that makes this building a lot and said, yeah, that's a good idea.
• 10:23
  Speaker 5: So I thought that was pretty heads up to kind of give a suggestion that we may want to hit this from the outside with some big water before we transition and go inside.
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure you get this, josh, especially when we're into newer departments, people really get wrapped up around the axle on the chief arriving first, and it's really a functionality thing.
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, we don't have to do special Sims as long as people are following the strategic decision making model like they did here.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: The chief even though that's his function, he knows what the first arriving companies are going to do.
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: Why is it that occasionally we get these folks who are really concerned about our simulations typically don't have the chief arriving first, but you hear a good blue card department like this where it happens flawlessly and they're used to doing it.
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah well, I mean really, that's one of the reasons why, whether you're in a position when you're getting certified, where you never ride in a fire truck, or if you're in a position where you are the company officer, you're always riding a fire truck.
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: When you're blue card certified, you ride as or you're evaluated and you go through the positions as that mobile IC pulling up in the fire apparatus doing a size up, follow report, assigning a couple of companies before the strategic IC gets there.
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: And on the flip side of that, the chiefs and captains or whoever's riding in the cars sit in the strategic evaluation position but they're also sitting in you're back on the apparatus and making decisions.
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: So they're going through and doing size ups and given follow up reports and doing all those other pieces.
• 12:00
  Speaker 3: It shouldn't be a surprise.
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: I know in a lot of big systems oftentimes you get two or three companies there before the chief gets there.
• 12:09
  Speaker 3: But I don't know how valid that is either, because we've had a ton of audio from three county departments, the city of Las Vegas and many others where the chief did arrive first.
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: So regardless, I mean if you're using the system, it doesn't matter when the chief arrives, because if they arrive first they're going to give their size up.
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: They're just not going to give out really an incident action plan at that point.
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: They're going to plug in the incident action plan by giving assignments to the companies as they go level one and in this case we get it.
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: Sometimes, oh, you're slowing companies down because they're level one and I can assure you engine fours wheels and engine 10s wheels and rescue 10s wheels and probably the engine fives wheels probably never stopped turning.
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: They were at their last tactical location where they could pick up a water supplier coming another way.
• 13:04
  Speaker 3: They said level one and they got an assignment.
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: So it's not really slowing down anything.
• 13:11
  Speaker 3: Level one is really hey, I'm ready for you to give me an assignment and I can do anything from bring a water supply to come in a different street, a different angle, a different approach.
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, I mean I think it's just a training thing, right, that you can go through and you know some places.
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: Well, we don't want our chief taking command, we want those companies doing the size up and everything.
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: And then we're still going to transfer command.
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: And if you're doing that and the chief's already there, then you're just wasting time.
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: Then you're going to have a command transfer.
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: So you won't talk about tying up radio traffic when you could totally alleviate that radio traffic.
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: This is, I think, just another example of if you're using the system and you understand the eight functions of command and the whole process.
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter one way or another.
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: Come here.
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: Any other schools or other states?
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: Inja 201,.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: Come in, inja 201,.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: Bye, inja 201,.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: I want you to position on the alpha side where those glass doors are and make entry to the alpha side.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: Probably going to have you go to the second floor, get a primary of the uninvolved areas.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: Just advise once you have a hose line to that entry vestibule there.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: Advise once you're in position and then we'll make a decision on where you guys are going to go from there.
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: Command from Inja 10, status change.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: Go in Inja 10.
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: Command.
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: We are connecting our hydrant.
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: Right now I'm going to use an additional unit.
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: Inja 5 is right next to us.
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: I have fire showing from small windows on this west border.
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: We're also gaining portable entry to the first floor.
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: To make sure we don't have any fire on the first floor Check out the Inja 10.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: I'll assign Inja 5 to you.
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: I'll need an additional unit when you have one available.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: Copy.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: We're going to be thin for a little bit, so just work with what you've got.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: You've got Inja 10 yourself.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: Excuse me, rescue 10 and Inja 5.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: Command truck 8, level 1.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: Truck 8, come up on deck please.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, 2-0 C Truck 8 copies on deck.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Is that alpha side?
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Chief Truck 8, come up on deck on the Charlie side, the alpha side, all units from command.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: The alpha side of the structure is going to be the Charleston side.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: The Charlie side is the south side of the structure.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: Alpha side is Charleston, charlie side is the south side.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: The Dian2 command.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: The Dian2 command.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Can you turn out and head to the Charlie side of the structure?
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: It might make you Charlie division.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: We're going to see where we get in a sec, but I want you turned out in position to take a division if necessary.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Can you turn out Charlie side?
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: That's going to be the north side of the structure.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: No, charlie side is the south side.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: So where engine 4 is, that's the Charlie side, the south side.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Charlie division.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Dispatch Charleston command.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Can you respond?
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Metro for traffic control on Casino Center and Charleston, please.
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: Copy that, sir.
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: Metro traffic control.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: How many units do you have?
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: Two units please.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: Command from engine 201.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Dispatch copy Charleston command.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Last unit go for command.
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: Command from engine 201.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: There's no real good access on the alpha side.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: The only access is where engine 10 is on this alpha delta corner.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: I copy that.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Give me a minute, go ahead and pull back, I'll show you guys on deck.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Give me a minute to figure out where we're supposed to put you.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: Command truck 1 with the roof report Go ahead truck 1.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: Command truck 1, we've got normal load up.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: Top Wall seems to be intact.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: That's a pretty heavy snagging and bent through the south side of the roof.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: Fresh rice mocha come out of the east North side or Charleston side looks a little bit more stable.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: We could get topside and get sounding if we need to go ahead until we get crews in there with water on the fire.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: I don't want to have you guys vertically ventilate yet, so why don't we just keep you guys in position, and if it gets away from us we'll have you positioned to set up a master stream?
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Keep an eye on the sagging conditions so that we can report them to interior crews as necessary.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: You copy that.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Go ahead copy as we continue to listen to this.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: There's a lot going on and they got the fire kind of isolated in a certain portion of the building.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: So we heard some assignments come out from Command assigning companies to search parts of the building that were isolated from where the fire is.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Command ends up using Engine 5 to deploy with another company to assist with fire control, and then another company arrives, goes level one and he makes them on deck.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: So they're using on deck, which first and foremost is RIT, but they're using them in place to make sure that they have a bench deep enough, if you will, to deep deployment in that specific area to keep pace with the event.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: And then they still had a single company assigned as RIT.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: That that's what their whole assignment was going to be, just to stand by where the most work was happening.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: So really they reinforced, I guess, so you could say in a way, the whole on deck thing.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: And in this case they're operating in a building that they know's got holes on it.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: They are taking some risk to make sure that people are out of the building.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: So it definitely doesn't hurt anything to do that, especially when you're as deep as they are in resource where we are now, we still aren't through all of their resources.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: There's still companies that are responding to the incident.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: So the strategic ISE was probably on the threshold of being beyond Hispanic control.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: So we heard him make Engine 10.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Basically you're going to take that west side, but they were operating outside the building so they were setting up.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: You could hear he was kind of forecasting in his mind.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: You could hear a few things that's like oh, as soon as we got it all clear of this, we're going defensive.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: And in the end of this we do hear that they don't believe anybody's in here and that they end up going defensive and the people who were in there self-evacuated.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Basically hey, oh shit, the building's on fire, I need to leave.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: So they put somebody there to start to build and organize on the outside of the building what that attack position was going to look like.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: And then the second battalion arrived.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: So when the second battalion arrived, very clear on a go ahead and get turned out.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I'm going to put you on the Charlie side to try to figure out what's going on which was on the opposite side of where command was and they had companies operating on that other side of the building where Engine 4, the first new company, actually pulled up, which is closest to the fire, which would make sense to put a tactical boss there, and I believe there was three or four companies operating there.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: So in our system, when we get three or more companies operating in any geographic area, we put and reinforce command by putting that tactical boss in place to take care of accountability and, as we always say, kind of feel it, taste it, touch it, not literally, but they're just a little bit closer to it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: And in this case, high risk incident, you're risking quite a bit again because of the known life hazard.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: And they wanted to get all clear as quickly as they could and knew that they were going to be transitioning and going defensive and they were really setting up for that, which you can hear the IC when 201 comes on and says no real great access on the Alpha side, they just says hey, go ahead and pull back, go on deck, and I'm going to rethink this and get a better plan together of how we're going to attack the fire.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: So really that's where we're at to this point.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: One of the things the IC needed to tie up there was a little bit of a loose end on the geographic location of everything.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: There was confusion what is Charlie, what is West?
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: And he did a good job at backtracking because no one called out initially accountability location is going to be engine four on the Alpha side or wherever they were.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: But he finally designated what the Alpha side and the Charlie side was.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: So a good lesson for ICs is you're going down that road and if things aren't going right you have the option to say I'm going to designate it right now Alpha side's Charleston and then the West side's going to be Charlie.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: So everybody gets a good idea now where Alpha and Charlie is.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he pulled that together pretty well and he said it a couple of times because it was obvious people were getting confused as to what was where, because you had people on the West side, you had engine four on a different side, you had a lot of companies working on different areas of the building and trying to keep that coordinated is really important.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: Command rescue.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: Four is on scene staging.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Rescue four.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I'm going to make you fire medical Rescue four.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Tyler Engine four Command.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Engine four Mike.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Engine four Command.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Can you get a counterport?
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Engine four, rescue tool four, are on the Charlie side In front of engine four doing a transitional attack to the second floor.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: We're throwing a ladder to knock out some wood to get some better water in there.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: We are having an effect.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: I've heard the other reports.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Let us knock this wood out, do a little more transitional water and then I think we can make a push to the second floor from the Charlie side.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Command copy engine four and you've got rescue 204 assisting with you on Charlie side.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: That's affirmative.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: You have engine one who's getting a primary of the first floor.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Copy.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I'm going to assign the tie in two to supervise the Charlie side.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: So you'll be important to the tie in two from here on, the tie in two Command.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Copy that track If you're in a security unit.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I'm to Charlie because I believe it's engine four, engine one and who else?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: It's going to be, like you said, engine four, engine one and rescue 204 is assisting engine four.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: So you're going to have engine four, engine one and rescue 204.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: When you confirm with engine four that we're good to transition interior, let me know.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: As for now we'll continue with transition for water exterior offensive.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Command engine four priority traffic.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, engine four.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Engine one sent two victims to the outside.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: They're on the Charlie side.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: I need EMS to meet them.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Command copy Rescue four.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Can you come around to the Charlie side?
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: We've got two victims on the Charlie side.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Amar's phone copy yeah, traffic as well.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Dispatch.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Can you respond?
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: One additional city rescue one AMR.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: You need to please.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Dispatch copy One city, one AMR.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Command from West Division.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Command.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Can I get engine 201 from on deck so they can assist with a primary of the first floor on the West side?
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I copy engine 10,.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: You're requesting that engine 201 be assigned to your division.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Is that correct?
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: That's affirmative.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Copy Engine 201,.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: You copy that.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Can you report West Division engine 10?
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: Engine 201 copies West Division engine 10.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: EMS 1, command.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: EMS 1, bye.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: We've got two additional transport units in route.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Let me know if you have any additional needs.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Right now I've only got Rescue 4 available for you.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: If you need another rescue, we can pull one of the crew's assistance to a fire attack.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Copy command.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Be advised, I'm with both patients right now.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: They're both stable, have all incoming transport units.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Respond to the Charlie's side.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: We can have staging there and set up a drive-through Command truck run with the status change.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Carrella truck run.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Command.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: We've got fire starting to use the way to the center of the structure multiple spots.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: We believe it's where the interior hallway in the bathroom is.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: We've got active flames, multiple spots, center of the structure starting to push through Command copy.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Let's see the fire coming through the roof more toward the east side of the structure.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: We'll work on getting you guys a water supply so you can attack it with your burial.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Dispatch Charles, command Charles, thank you man.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Dispatch Charles, command.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Go ahead and strike a second alarm.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Put the units in attack channel on the notes.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I'll get them right, I'm ready.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Copy sir Second alarm.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Go ahead truck eight.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: I've got my interior positioner apparatus on the what's going to end up being the Bravo Charlie corner we may be able to set up and when this comes through maybe we'll hit that from our advantage.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Try to copy that Good idea.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you, charlie Division.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Command Command.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Traffic for Charlie Division?
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: That's permanent.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Charlie Division, we've got flames through the roof about halfway down the long side of the structure.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: We're going to continue to operate offensively on the exterior of the structure.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have truck eight set up for master stream operation, since we probably don't want to put crews inside on the second floor right now.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Copy that information only.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: We do have a primary search, all clear on Division one.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: We're being told by engine point of those holes in the middle of the roof where existing holes just now got fire showing.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: So do you want to try to make a push down that hallway real quick?
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: We can, or we'll just wait for the truck to go into operation, based on the holes in the floor and the visibility conditions.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Let's get some water on it before we send anybody in.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Break West Division command.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Break West Division, west Division.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Can you have one of your engineers pump truck one, so that we can get water on the fire on the roof?
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Command from West Division before they accomplish that truck, one has water supply.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Copy Charlie division.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have truck one flow water.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Just be advised I don't think they'll hit you with their stream, but they are gonna be operating a master stream to the west side of the structure.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: Truck one standby.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: I've got a crew inside getting me a primary standby.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Before we do mass stream with the draw, the command fire.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Dispatch sir second alarm units when you're ready.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I see him on the MCT.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I'll have my aid track those units.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Copy that, sir, and I put aside zone one, tack eight for those second alarm units.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Manor's good.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: These are one little one, rescue 301 command and want you to report to EMS one there on the Charlie side of the structure.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Assist with fire, medical.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Stop the fire.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Medicals EMS one last unit repeat 301 copies.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Truck one from West Division.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: You ready for water now?
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: I have all crews outside of the West Division.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Truck one's ready.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Send it Charlie.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Division command.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Command.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: We got truck one.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Things are flowing, just be aware we do still out cruise over here on the ground.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Charlie sign Copy.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: We got fired through through the roof pretty heavy on the second floor.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Now we're gonna go ahead and change to it.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Defense of strategy.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: So I make sure all your crews are exterior on.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Only they can operate in the clap zone.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: But I don't want any crews interior.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Now we copy that all crews are part exterior the building.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: We're just taking second floor windows.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Or again a different posture.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Merchant traffic emergency traffic.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Alliance from command.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: We're gonna switch to a defensive strategy.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Alliance from command.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: We're gonna switch to a defensive strategy.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Dispatch on the emergency alert tons, please.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Dispatch an alliance from command.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: We're gonna be operating in a defensive strategy.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: West division.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Can you confirm all your cruiser outside the ideal age please?
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: As we continue to listen to this.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: You know they, they had a pretty good idea that there were people inside the building.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: And then we end up here and you know the report come from engine four with priority traffic, two patients on the outside that they needed EMS and their system they have EMS supervisors.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: So the MS supervisor was coordinating that and getting the ambulances, making sure that that whole piece was taken care of, which is Really it's support for the IC.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: So the IC doesn't have to, you know, worry about that as much.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: He's got somebody taking care of managing that.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: And as we heard it from the very beginning, I think everybody who was going to this incident knew where it was gonna end up defensive, and I think that's why we heard some of the things that we heard right.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: So, engine 10, can you prepare to supply this trucks for a water supply?
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: And it was already taken care of because Everybody that was there knew where it was going.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: But, like we've seen so many times, you know, in Cobb County we got, we got an incident right where command was ready to make a strategic shift and the tactical boss was like, hey, hold on for a second, I think we can get it.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: And so until they got an all clear of the building, or at least survivable searchable space, you know they stayed offensive.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: So Throughout this they had companies putting water on the fire from the most Advantages place that they could without being at risk, while companies were still trying to get a search of the building.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: And and then when you know the two people were out and they had a pretty good confirmation that nobody else was in the building, you know they transitioned to you know more exterior water.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: We heard at the end there, truck one, just hold off on your water.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: For second, I got a company that's completing a search on the first floor.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: So you know that was that was just good communications.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: And then eventually they just transitioned this thing to 100% defensive because it was worth Absolutely nothing to risk Anybody's, any anybody's life to go inside of it, because everybody was was pretty much so out and accounted for they.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: They'd gotten all Clearers of the spaces.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: So command communicated with Charlie.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: What was going on?
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: That truck report of the roof report of you know, one plus one equals two.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Right, everybody knew where it was going.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: But truck one gives a pretty good report.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: The roof sagging, there's holes in the roof, got fire through the roof.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: This is where we believe it's coming from.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Engine four had talked to Charlie at some point there and had reported to Charlie, hey, that the fire is coming through where we had cut holes in this roof before.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: So that that was.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: That was really good.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: When it comes to coordination, you know nobody was just doing what they wanted to do.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Everybody was under the same incident action plan.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: I think truck one at one point said you want us to go On on the other side and try to open it up there?
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: And command told them no, I don't want, we're no vertical ventilation till we get water on the fire.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: So they were, they were coordinating.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: You know all their efforts and everybody's operating on the same page.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Everybody understood what the strategy is and what we know today is the city.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: You know, the city there worked with the fire prevention Bureau and that building today is Is just a dirt lot because they got rid of the risk.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: So the fire department was going to that building quite a bit.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: There was a big risk involved with it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: They were there.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: We're gonna go inside which we're gonna go inside when we have victims like that and the best thing the city could do is get rid of the risk.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: So the city worked with the fire prevention Bureau and you know, now it's the vacant building, is just a vacant lot.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a win for everybody.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Really, the fire department did a good job and in the end they were able to, I think, justify hey, we've been here all these times and we keep taking this risk and we don't think we can keep taking the risk really, because the buildings looks like Swiss cheese.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: You're gonna eventually fall on a hole.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: The buildings deteriorating over time.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: Every run they make, every fire they make is deteriorating.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: I think it's pretty smart move.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: The city probably realized that it's a lot safer if it just isn't there anymore For the firemen, for the homeless people, for everybody right.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: I think it was really good heads up because they got out earlier on, they got an all-clear in one area of the building and Then they came back and they got the two people out of the other area the building and they, they, they kept.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: You know, they understood this was a large building.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: Just because there's a one clear, all clear on one end, it doesn't mean it's an all clear through the whole building.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: So they seemed like they really did a good job, kind of the fireman did a good job of understanding the building and understanding when they were in relation to the other area.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: That got the all clear and kept looking and got those people out or insisted them getting coming out.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: I thought that was really good.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: The the other thing was you know, firemen, like you said, or firemen, they see what's coming.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: The chief called and said hey, be prepared to put give water to the lighter truck and said that's already done.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: I mean they saw what was coming and they'll have to be told to do every little thing right.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: You're still a thinking fireman and you're like, okay, I can see what's coming here, let's just get a water supply to them.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: So when we make that decisions made, it's gonna happen a whole lot faster.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: You know, a lot of people are like, oh, blue card, everything's mother, may I?
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: And those guys looked ahead so forecasted what was gonna be happening and they moved the line over there.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: And when the chief called for it, it's already done, chief.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's, that's the way we should operate.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: We can, we can see what's going on.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: We're smart people well that this fire obviously was going to need a lot of resources.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: They called a second alarm and that was set up on another tactical channel and dispatch was trying to give a rundown on the units coming and the IC didn't feel that was necessary because he had it right in front of them.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: So when the battalion, the IC, called for the second alarm, they said, right on this, right, right when they requested it, just give me a second alarm assignment and send it to my MCT and which is their mobile data terminal or their computer in their car or CAD or whatever you want to call it, and said put them on a separate tax channel and just send it all to my, my computer, because it's gonna be right in front of them.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: You know they got an aid.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: The aid can just write down here's all the units are in the second alarm and and what channel it's on right.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Because in that case the incident commander and the aid they're they're running the fire right there focuses on the people in the ideal age environment.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: And you know dispatch, you know getting the second alarm transmitted and being able just to send it to the computer.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Well, there's your rundown right there they didn't need to hear it over over the radio Of who the units were and when dispatch did come back and even say hey, here's the rundown of your second alarm.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: You know the incident commander just said just send it to my data computer or my MCT and Let me know what tax channel they're on right.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: So it's just another good example of the of all those, all those principles that we teach in the system, right?
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's probably 40 principles that we that come out of this, this audio that we just listened to, and it's it's why we do what we do when we're in the sim lab, so that when you're at the ideal age and the incident, you have a better chance of it sounding like this.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to this be shifter.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: We want to thank LV FR for the audio and another great example of how blue card operates in their department.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: If you have audio that you would like to share with us, that information is located in the show notes so you can get it to us.
• 35:31
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• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Thanks to Grant, thanks for coming by.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Thanks, josh, and we'll see you next time on be shifter.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: You.