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The Facebook Killer – Derek Medina · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In twenty thirteen, a Florida couple was arguing in their home.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't out of the ordinary, In fact, it was
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  Speaker 1: rather common for their relationship. However, things took a turn
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  Speaker 1: for the worse when one pulled out a gun and
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  Speaker 1: shot their partner dead. Then, for whatever reason, they decided
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  Speaker 1: to post pictures of their body on Facebook, and then
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  Speaker 1: they walked into the police station to turn themselves in.
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  Speaker 1: This is the cold story of Derek Medina and the
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  Speaker 1: murder of Jennifer Alfonso.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked
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  Speaker 2: and Grim.
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  Speaker 3: A true crime podcast. The following.
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  Speaker 1: Your audience.
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  Speaker 3: Rush happy end of the week.
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  Speaker 1: It is Friday, or if you're listening to this on
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  Speaker 1: the day it's posted, it's Friday, which means the weekend's
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  Speaker 1: just a few hours away.
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  Speaker 2: Or a lot of people might listen on the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: You know exactly we posted this. It's almost the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: If it's the weekend while you're listening, just celebrate that weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Take that extra little relaxing time you deserve it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you do, you know, working for ourselves, though I
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  Speaker 2: don't even really know what a weekend is anymore. I
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  Speaker 2: want to change that because like, my busy time is
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  Speaker 2: usually the weekend. Like SAT people are like, oh, have
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  Speaker 2: a good weekend, But that's usually when I'm like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: going hard here.
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  Speaker 1: If you're working on the weekend, you can still say
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  Speaker 1: have a good weekend. A weekend is like a period
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  Speaker 1: of time.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, but it's not necessarily a weekend where you know,
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  Speaker 2: you get to rest a break. Yeah, have your little
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  Speaker 2: break and all that jazz.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough, but you can still have a good weekend
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  Speaker 1: whether you're busy or working or not.
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  Speaker 2: Touche touche. But I'd like to have a weekend where
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  Speaker 2: it's actually resting.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you were going to be booking yourself a week
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  Speaker 1: off here soon. Maybe make sure that's going to be
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  Speaker 1: an effect and you're actually going to get it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that will happen. We'll see. Maybe we'll keep
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  Speaker 2: you updated.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably not gonna happen for a while, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm rooting for you.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just say that, Hey, it's as happen next week.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen in March. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Yeah, Well this is a concept we've covered
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  Speaker 1: on the show before where someone has done something and
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  Speaker 1: then posted explicit photos of a violent act onto social media,
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  Speaker 1: And in all honesty, I think in today's age, where
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  Speaker 1: social media is so ingrained into our society, we may
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  Speaker 1: see this happen more and more.
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  Speaker 3: Unfortunately.
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  Speaker 2: It's very odd though it is, but.
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  Speaker 1: I do have high hopes because I mean a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people are against AI for many reasons, and I
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  Speaker 1: totally get it, but I do have high hopes that
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  Speaker 1: AI may actually be able to block these things from
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  Speaker 1: being seen as soon as they're uploaded.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean AI can be used for so many things,
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  Speaker 2: and I sometimes think we're using it for the things
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  Speaker 2: we should.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I do think that we are just in the
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  Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg when it comes to AI.
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  Speaker 2: Very true, so very true. I just saw something online
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  Speaker 2: though about it like potentially being able to predict breast
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  Speaker 2: cancer or certain cancers and stuff, and I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that would be amazing. That could save a lot of lives.
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  Speaker 3: That would honestly, we should get into this though. Are
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  Speaker 3: you ready?
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready?
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So this is as I mentioned the story of Derek
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  Speaker 1: Medina and the murder of Jennifer Alfonso. This story has
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  Speaker 1: also been dubbed the face book Killer.
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  Speaker 2: The Facebook Killer.
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  Speaker 1: Now, in a little bit of a Google search, this
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  Speaker 1: is not the only quote unquote Facebook killer story, but
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  Speaker 1: this story has been given that title along with a
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  Speaker 1: few others. Now, Derek Medina came into the world back
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two, right in the heart of Florida.
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  Speaker 1: He finished up high school at Coral Gables in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and one. Now, if there's one thing you could
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  Speaker 1: say about Derek, it's that this guy couldn't really seem
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  Speaker 1: to pick a lane. He dabbled in just about everything.
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  Speaker 1: One of his proudest claims was that he was an
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  Speaker 1: undefeated amateur boxer, supposedly racking up twenty five wins with
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  Speaker 1: zero losses. Now, that's honestly a very impressive record, but
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  Speaker 1: that's also just according to him. Okay, Yeah, as far
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  Speaker 1: as I could find, there was no backup, nothing, no
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  Speaker 1: information to back up this claim.
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  Speaker 2: Really, Yes, okay, I mean, you can make up a
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  Speaker 2: lot of shit if you wanted to.
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  Speaker 3: You can.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I've been to space, was I've an astronaut.
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  Speaker 1: I have been to the International Space Station, stayed there
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  Speaker 1: for three days and it came back down right on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that must have been quite an adventure.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 1: It lasted only eight hours because it was a dream
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  Speaker 1: that I had the other night. But I digress. So
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  Speaker 1: now here's the thing though about Derek. He wasn't exactly
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  Speaker 1: shy about putting himself out there, and to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: that's like probably also his downfall.
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  Speaker 3: Let's be honest.
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  Speaker 1: Now, as far as I can tell, there wasn't that
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  Speaker 1: boxing record, But whether it was actually knocking people out
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  Speaker 1: in the ring as he so claimed, or maybe it
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  Speaker 1: was shooting hoops or trying his hand at golf. Derek
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  Speaker 1: saw himself as a guy that was destined for greatness
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  Speaker 1: at something. Writing was just another one of those things,
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  Speaker 1: one of his many hobbies, and he went on to
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  Speaker 1: publish a bunch of self published books. Now what kind
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  Speaker 1: of books.
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  Speaker 3: Did he write.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's just let's just say that writing and editing
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  Speaker 1: and stuff it was not his strong suit.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: He seemed to think that the key to writing a
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  Speaker 1: best selling novel was apparently cramming as many words as
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  Speaker 1: he could onto the title of a book as he
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  Speaker 1: possibly could.
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  Speaker 2: Because of the title itself, means.
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  Speaker 3: Into the title of itself.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so this is the title of one of his
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  Speaker 1: books that he wrote quote, how a judgmental, unselfish attitude
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  Speaker 1: is destroying the world we live in because the world
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  Speaker 1: is vanishing beneath our eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Holy okay, I've never heard of anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: Then he also wrote quote humans who are gifted and
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  Speaker 1: can see the supernatural spirit ghost world we live in
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  Speaker 1: called ghost haunted adventures.
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  Speaker 2: Huh okay.
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  Speaker 1: Then there's also quote how I saved someone's life, on marriage,
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  Speaker 1: on family problems, true communication, attention, world, save yourself, and
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  Speaker 1: if the world ended today, how would you react to
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  Speaker 1: saving the world or helping the world or would it
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  Speaker 1: be all over for you?
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  Speaker 2: Is that one book?
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  Speaker 3: That was one book?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? Because for some reason I thought there was a
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  Speaker 2: numerous in there.
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  Speaker 3: Nope.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean I listed three books in totally Yes.
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  Speaker 2: But that last one, I'm like, that seems like that's
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  Speaker 2: too many topics.
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  Speaker 1: For one book that is a singular book title.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, but I also do have to say that I
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  Speaker 2: love Cake like the confidence because sometimes confidence is key
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  Speaker 2: to success, right, and he isn't lacking that. How he
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  Speaker 2: was like, I am going to be great at something
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, he's whatever. You said like that, I do
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 3: That is true.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, ignorance is bliss, as they say, and he
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  Speaker 1: was very ignorant to his lack of writing skills, but
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  Speaker 1: he was certainly confident that he was going to do
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  Speaker 1: it regardless.
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  Speaker 2: We'll do something and do something great. So I'm true
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  Speaker 2: right now, I almost feel like I'm rooting for him,
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  Speaker 2: which I'll be changing my mind.
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  Speaker 1: You most certainly will. But I mean, yeah, props to
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  Speaker 1: him for going out there and doing his best at
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  Speaker 1: some of these things. Hey, fly at it, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, he didn't do the greatest.
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  Speaker 3: Put it that way.
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  Speaker 1: But no matter what he was chasing, whether it was boxing, writing,
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, new obsessions popped into his head all the time,
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  Speaker 1: it all seemed to and it all seemed to boil
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  Speaker 1: down to one thing. He wanted to be famous. He
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  Speaker 1: even took a crack at acting, managing to land a
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  Speaker 1: few tiny like background roles on TV one where he
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  Speaker 1: even had like a one one word line.
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  Speaker 2: Oh really, and he probably thought that was just the
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  Speaker 2: best shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, he basically just was in enough to say
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  Speaker 1: he was technically on television. Okay, But for all his hobbies,
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  Speaker 1: his self published books, his dreams of stardom. Derek did
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  Speaker 1: eventually become famous, just not in the way he was hoping.
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  Speaker 1: Instead of landing in the spotlight for his quote unquote talents,
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  Speaker 1: Let's say he secured a place in history as a
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  Speaker 1: full blown grade a piece of shit murderer. So congrats, Derek,
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  Speaker 1: you made it. I just want to say that, But
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  Speaker 1: I am getting ahead of myself, so I digress.
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  Speaker 2: That is not making it. No, No, but I mean,
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  Speaker 2: like not in a good way.
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  Speaker 3: No, But he accomplished his goal technically.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, you could say that. Now.
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  Speaker 1: For a while, Derek tried his hand at a more
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  Speaker 1: regular job too. He worked as a property manager, though
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  Speaker 1: he couldn't seem to hold down a gig for long,
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  Speaker 1: in fact, much longer than a few months at best.
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  Speaker 1: And no surprise there with his what seemed to be
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  Speaker 1: like ADHD bouncing back and forth. Right now, At some point,
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  Speaker 1: Derek did cross paths with Jennifer Alfonso. Jennifer had her
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  Speaker 1: own challenges growing up. She attended South Dade High for
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  Speaker 1: a bit, but after having a baby girl as a teenager,
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  Speaker 1: she ended up leaving school. Later, she managed to go
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  Speaker 1: and earn her ged and by two thousand and nine
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  Speaker 1: was working as a waitress at a Denny's over on
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  Speaker 1: Bird Road near eighty seventh Avenue. That's where Derek came
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  Speaker 1: into the picture. He was a regular at the restaurant
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  Speaker 1: and the two hit it off. Derek was twenty six
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  Speaker 1: at the time and Jennifer was twenty one, and it
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  Speaker 1: didn't take long before the tour a officially a couple
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  Speaker 1: after just a few months of dating. They got married
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  Speaker 1: in January of twenty ten, just a couple months of
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  Speaker 1: dating and they were officially tying that nongl They knew, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: they knew now. At first, things looked pretty good. From
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  Speaker 1: the outside. Derek, Jennifer and Jennifer's young daughter Isabella.
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  Speaker 3: Played you know all. It was all just a big,
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  Speaker 3: happy family.
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  Speaker 1: It was a played out picture that we all see
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  Speaker 1: in our heads, a cinematic thing, you know, a happily
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  Speaker 1: ever after moment, and they made it all work. But
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes, the not so picture perfect was the reality.
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  Speaker 1: Their relationship was rocky. To put it mildly. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: there were fights, breakups, and Derek reportedly kicked Jennifer out
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  Speaker 1: of the house more than once. One of her coworkers
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  Speaker 1: even remembered her showing up to shifts with fresh bruises.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. They ended up getting a divorce in February of
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  Speaker 3: twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like two years.
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  Speaker 3: Two years later.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was hardly the end though. Just four
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  Speaker 1: months after the divorce, they were back together and remarried
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  Speaker 1: by April.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: By May, Jennifer had officially moved into Derek's two bedroom
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  Speaker 1: townhouse in Southwest sixty seventh Avenue, a place Derek had
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  Speaker 1: bought during their brief split up. Now at the time,
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer seemed hopeful about their fresh start. In a journal
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  Speaker 1: she was keeping, she wrote about moving in to what
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  Speaker 1: she described as a beautiful new home. But she didn't
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  Speaker 1: just write about the townhouse. She poured all kinds of
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  Speaker 1: feelings about her up center downs in the relationship with
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  Speaker 1: Derek into this journal.
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  Speaker 3: Now, she gave this journal.
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  Speaker 1: A pretty telling title, one that wasn't nearly as long
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  Speaker 1: as many of Derek's books. In fact, it's a pretty
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  Speaker 1: good title, The Mind of an Insane Woman. That's the
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  Speaker 1: time book.
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  Speaker 3: Just say.
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  Speaker 2: I shouldn't have laughed at that, but it was just
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  Speaker 2: that little dig at his book titles was good.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, I didn't even write that down. I just off
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  Speaker 1: the cop was like, I gotta get this over now.
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  Speaker 1: One passage summed up things pretty pretty clearly. In her journal,
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  Speaker 1: she wrote quote, when we love each other, it's great.
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  Speaker 1: But when we hate each other, we hate each other.
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  Speaker 1: In another entry, she admitted on her own struggles with jealousy,
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  Speaker 1: writing quote, I became uncontrollably jealous, like want to murder
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  Speaker 1: type of deal.
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  Speaker 2: Who Okay, Well, yeah, it definitely sounds like their relationship
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  Speaker 2: is a wee bit on the rocky side.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's almost like a magnet situation. When you
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  Speaker 1: get the poles correct on a magnet. You know they attract,
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  Speaker 1: but you flip those magnets around, all of a sudden
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  Speaker 1: they're pushing apart. And I think it's just these poles
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  Speaker 1: switching constantly and it's this push pull between the two
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  Speaker 1: of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I also feel like passionate relationships are kind
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  Speaker 2: of like that too, where it's like it's so good,
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  Speaker 2: but then it can be so low too, Like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, haven't you heard that about passionate relationships sometimes? Right? Definitely, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's kind of stressful though.
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  Speaker 1: I mean like the other day when you made me cookies,
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  Speaker 1: that was so good, but then when you made me
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  Speaker 1: walk the dogs out, I was like, oh, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to, so I get you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I made a batch of cookies and they didn't
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  Speaker 2: even really last the night, so they were delicious.
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  Speaker 1: Now, one thing Derek and Jennifer definitely had in common
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  Speaker 1: was their fascination with all things weird, ghosts, the supernatural,
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  Speaker 1: you name it. They'd even go ghost on ghost hunting
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  Speaker 1: trips together, chasing down spooky stories and unexplained bump in
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  Speaker 1: the night sort of situations. Jennifer wrote about some of
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  Speaker 1: this stuff in her journal too, including her belief in
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  Speaker 1: zombies and her anxiety about a possible zombie apocalypse. One day,
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  Speaker 1: and when they moved into their southern Miami townhouse, Jennifer
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  Speaker 1: became convinced that their place was haunted as well. Now,
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  Speaker 1: they actually set up cameras inside their home, hoping to
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  Speaker 1: catch some of this evidence of ghostly visitors and such,
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  Speaker 1: but those cameras would later play a key role in
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  Speaker 1: this story.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: According to Jennifer's brother David Alfonso, a lot of these
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  Speaker 1: interests were sparked or at least encouraged by Derek. David
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  Speaker 1: had a few others who knew Derek, and they saw
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  Speaker 1: him as a pretty pretty bizarre guy. He was always online,
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  Speaker 1: constantly posting to social media, often sharing stuff that left
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  Speaker 1: people kind of scratching their heads. Most people knew who
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  Speaker 1: he was, but at the very least they also knew
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  Speaker 1: he was an odd ball. But Derek, he wasn't just quirky.
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  Speaker 1: There was a darker side to him too, one that
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  Speaker 1: showed up in Jennifer's journal. She wrote about both of
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  Speaker 1: their short tempers, but Derek's it could especially get nasty.
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  Speaker 1: One time, they were at a concert in West Palm Beach,
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  Speaker 1: the Mayhem Festival, which is apparently a metal music festival,
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  Speaker 1: and some guy accidentally spilt a beer on Jennifer. Most
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  Speaker 1: people would you brush it off, apologize or like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: watch yourself, whatever, right, maybe even curse a little bit
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  Speaker 1: and move on.
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  Speaker 3: But not Derek. In this situation, he pulled a gun
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  Speaker 3: on the guy.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh, I can't. He probably shouldn't even have that gun
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  Speaker 2: in there. No imagine their security, no kidding him, How
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  Speaker 2: the hell did he get it in?
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  Speaker 3: No idea, no.
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  Speaker 1: One around them, no one in the park. Your group
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  Speaker 1: of friends that went had any idea, idea that Derek
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  Speaker 1: even had this guy who was carrying at the time,
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  Speaker 1: So it completely shocked everyone.
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  Speaker 2: No shit.
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  Speaker 1: Now, luckily, no one got hurt and the situation didn't
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  Speaker 1: spiral out of control, but it was a clear sign
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  Speaker 1: Derek was always riding at that edge. Even with all
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  Speaker 1: the drama, it seemed like Derek and Jennifer did have
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  Speaker 1: love for each other, though they just couldn't keep things steady.
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  Speaker 1: The relationship swung back and forth between passion and pure chaos.
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer's friends were worried, and they had every right to be.
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  Speaker 1: They tell her straight up, quote, we think Derek's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: He might kill you one day, and I mean, Jennifer
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  Speaker 1: just kind of laughed it off.
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  Speaker 2: My goodness for a friend to be saying that, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you don't feel like that would come easy.
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  Speaker 3: No, definitely not.
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  Speaker 1: And so that friend most likely was was thinking on
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  Speaker 1: how to approach this accordingly right and clearly concerned for
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer's safety, but she never really thought anything of it.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: On the night of August seventh, twenty thirteen, Jennifer and
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  Speaker 1: Derek were supposed to have a date night, but Derek
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  Speaker 1: being Derek, he overslept and never bothered to wake up
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  Speaker 1: his wife or.
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  Speaker 3: His stepdaughter either.
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer was furious, and the next morning the argument kicked
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  Speaker 1: off almost as soon as they were both awake. In
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  Speaker 1: the middle of their fight, Jennifer messaged her friend on Facebook.
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  Speaker 1: She vented about Derek and how he was supposed to
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  Speaker 1: wake her up the night before and how pissed she was.
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  Speaker 1: She described the tension between them, the frustration, the resentment,
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  Speaker 1: but there was no mention of anything getting physical at
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: that point. After a little back and forth, her and
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: her friend tried. Her friend sorry, tried to calm her down,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: and Jennifer actually thanked them for helping her feel better.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: That calm, though, didn't last long.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Later on that.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Morning, the fight escalated further. Jennifer started throwing whatever was
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: nearby at Derek. I mean, nothing dangerous, just random stuff
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: like mascaratubes, some boxes and towels. Now you want to
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: say throwing things that someone isn't exactly Okay, let's be honest,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: let's be real. But these were hardly deadly weapons, right, so, yes,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: that is physical violence. Don't be doing that, but also
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: don't escalate beyond that either, and Derek, well, he wasn't
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: having it. Instead of walking away or cooling off, he
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: stormed into the bedroom, opened up the closet, and grabbed
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: his gun. Oh okay, he came back gun in hand,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: and things took a much darker turn. Now, what exactly
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: happened next depends a bit on who you ask and
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: what the I guess what side you are in the courtroom,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: let's put it that way, but the general version goes
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: something like this. Derek pointed the gun at Jennifer and
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: threatened to shoot her if she didn't cut it out
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: and stopped throwing things at him. Now, Jennifer stopped, and
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: she told him she was done, that she was leaving
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: for good. She was done period.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if your partner pulls a gun on you, yeah,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: you probably should be done. I totally get that.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I get that too.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: And she's like, I won't be here when you get
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: back home later. Now, after that, she had a downstairs
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: to the kitchen, probably gonna make breakfast for her ten
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: year old daughter, Isabella, who was still upstairs. Derek wasn't
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: done though, He put the gun away, but at around
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: ten am, the home surveillance camera caught parts of what
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: happened next. Derek went back into the bedroom, back to
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the closet and pulled the gun out again. Then, instead
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: of staying, you know, right there, he followed Jennifer downstairs
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: into the kitchen, gun in hand, ready to pick a
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: fight again. What happens next comes straight from Derek's own
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: statement to police. According to him, Jennifer grabbed a knife
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: to defend herself.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: That's a quote.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: So he comes down to the kitchen with a gun
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: pointed out her again and Jennifer grabs a knife to
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: defend herself, okay.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: He claimed.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: He managed to wrestle the knife away from her, and
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: that's when, according to Derek, she started hitting him in
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the chest and in the arm, punching him. And then
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Derek pulled the trigger.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: And her daughter is literally upstairs or wherever is in
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: the home.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: She's upstairs in the home. Yet.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: The only problem though, when Derek pulled that trigger, he
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: pulled the trigger more than once. He emptied the entire
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: magazine into Jennifer, eight shots in total, leaving Jennifer with
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: twenty one entry and exit wounds, and by his own admission,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: every single bullet hit its mark.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Holy I was not expecting that. Yeah, that is some
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: serious rage. Hey.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Minutes later, Derek stood over her body and snapped a photo.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: What the shit is that?
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Then, as if it was just another day, he went upstairs,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: told his stepdaughter not to come down stairs.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: He got dressed.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: She's probably already fucking terrified.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Probably.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: He walked to the front door, and before leaving, took
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: another last look at Jennifer's lifeless body laying in the
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: kitchen floor.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm just like left the home and left the home. Okay,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: holy shit.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Now, at exactly eleven eleven am, Derek posted to his
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Facebook page with the message that read, so this is
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: the following caption that accompanied that photo quote, I'm going
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to prison or death sentence for killing my wife. Love
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: you guys, miss you guys. Take care of Facebook people.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: You will see me in the news. My wife was
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: punching me and I'm not going to stand anymore with
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the abuse. So I did what I did. I hope
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: you understand me.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I don't really think anyone can fully understand that they
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: should have just left each other like no, no, I mean,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: it's so much easier than done.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: For sure, It's way easier said than done.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: But but he was done with it then just like leave.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I guess right, exactly, you don't have to kill someone.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, put it that way.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Empty, Uh, all the bullets and a gun kill someone
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: right when the kid is upstairs?
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Now.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: He even said she pulled the knife in defence. He
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: brought the gun to her first, he admits that.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so he yeah, he literally just like dug
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: himself a grave there.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: So, not only he wasn't trying to hide, he wasn't
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: trying to defend himself. He wasn't trying to get out
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: of a situation. He was following her and pursuing a
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: situation with a weapon in hand. That is the key
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: difference between someone in a toxic situation and can't get
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: out and him doing what he did.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Let's put it that way.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, she was clearly the one in the toxic situation.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: And also she must not have like, I don't I
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: bet anything. She didn't believe that he would actually pull
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: the trigger on her.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: No, and I do think that. I mean, hey, I'm
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: not saying she wasn't toxic either, because she very well
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: could have been. I mean, clearly she was throwing stuff
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: at him right like that in itself.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: That's not not totally innocent kind of thing.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Exactly, But it doesn't mean that any of this is okay,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: you know, like you can't fucking pull a gun on
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: someone and chase them, which is exactly what he did.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Not innocent, but not deserving whatsoever.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Now, as if this wasn't horrifying enough, though, this caption
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: that he put on Facebook. The photo following was her,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: her dead body sprawled on the floor, with the caption
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: rip Jennifer Alfonso.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: What is he thinking now?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: At the time, Derek worked as a front desk supervisor
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: at an apartment complex, and before turning himself in, he
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: actually called two of his coworkers to let them know
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't be coming in the reason, of course, you
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: know we as we know he told them because you know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: he just shot and killed his wife.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine getting that call? Yeah, I don't think
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I would believe.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: It, I know.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Shortly after, Derek and his father walked into South Miami
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Police station, where Derek turned himself into authorities.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Just like that, Just like that.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Officers of course rushed to the townhouse to the scene
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: where the murder took place, and there they found Jennifer's
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: body right where Derek had left her. And even worse,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: her ten year old daughter was still upstairs in the
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: home alone with her mother.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Murdered, and she didn't know she like stayed upstairs. I'm
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: imagining or who knows.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: I'm unaware. I couldn't really find much detail on the
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: daughter and her situation.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Oh that's so sad.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: During Derek's entar, detectives asked him about any injuries he
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: might have gotten during the so called fight with Jennifer.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: He talked about bruises, said his temple was in serious pain,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and even claimed he was worried she might have hit
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: him hard enough to cause life threatening damage. Cops weren't
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: buying it. No fair enough, especially when Derek claims his
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: twenty five and oh professional, Well, I guess amateur boxing.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Record, right, Okay, I forgot about that. She wouldn't have
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: stood his change against him?
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: He No, she shouldn't have. Yeah, theoretically she shouldn't have.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Jennifer was smaller, not as strong as Derek would have been,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and definitely would not have been a match for him
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: physically if he was a trained boxer. Now I have
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: found some other stuff regarding Derek and his fighting abilities. Reportedly,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: he walked into a martial arts studio at one time.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I believe it was a mixed martial arts studio claiming
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: to have you know, some like martial arts skills and
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: stuff and was like training for the day or something.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: And the guy heading the gym, I don't know if
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you want to call him a sense a trainer, whatever
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: he was, I'm not not exactly sure, but so we'll
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: just say the guy heading the gym, he went out
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: to give some pointers to Derek, like, you know, like
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: your techniques a little bit sloppy, you don't do this this.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Derek was pissed and challenged the guy to a fight.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: The guy kicked his ass and kicked him out of
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: the gym.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Wow, this just sounds like a complete idiot.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Hey, he really is. So I personally have very serious
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: doubt about his training as a boxer. I'm sure maybe
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: he's gone to a boxing gym, taking some boxing classes,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: even for a couple of years, but I don't imagine
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: it's very extensive, right, let's put it that way. Still, though,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that can come in handy in a fight, one, especially
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: against a smaller opponent like Jennifer or would have been.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: So this idea that she was some kind of serious
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: threat to him in a physical alter physical altercation did
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: not add up to police. And if he was so
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: concerned about his life, why didn't he call nine on
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: one right.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Away or go to the hospital or something exactly.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Now, when they asked him this, you know, why didn't
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: you call nine one one, his response was, quote, because
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I figured we had to solve it on our end, basically,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: in other words, no cops, no outside help, just him
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: handling like that.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: They had to handle, oh, like him and his wife.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, they had to solve it on their own.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And so him solving and is murdering her apparently. Gosh, yeah,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is just so much like other stories
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: you hear too.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: It's just brutal, it is, and it's so fucking sad
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: that people getting these situations with the toxic individual like.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: That, and it's there's no escape.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Now, Derek was arrested and charged with first degree murder,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and when it came time for his trial, things got
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a little weird. As if Derek wasn't weird enough, during
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: one of one of the hearings, he actually had to
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: be removed from the courtroom after multiple outbursts, and by
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: then he was sporting a full on Charles Manson look, long,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: scraggly haired wild beard, the whole thing, and at one
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: point he even got kicked. He got himself kicked out,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: like entirely when he started yelling his testimony at the judge,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: completely unprompted.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: The judge is just.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Like stop it, stop it, like shut up, I'm going
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: to remove you. Andy.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Derek didn't carry He just keeps fucking going.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Well, really disrespectful. Exactly is he trying to make it
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: seem like he has mental health or issues of sorts.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I think he definitely does have mental health issues of
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: sorts that way.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: In the way that you're not going to get, you know,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: convicted to the full extent.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Or he very well might have been. That might have
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: been a ploy he was trying to put into play.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: But he just made himself look like an idiot, let's
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: put that way. So the defense tried to paint Derek
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: as a victim in the situation, the poor battered husband
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: pushed to the edge by an abusive, violent wife. According
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: to them, Jennifer was the aggressor, both physically and emotionally.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: They claimed she would torment him, insult him, and even
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: mock him by calling him quote the woman in the relationship. Eventually,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: they said, Derek just snapped. Now, I'm not a lawyer,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: let's put it that way. I'm definitely not a lawyer.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: But when you shoot your spouse eight times then post
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: pictures their body on Facebook, that's not exactly the strongest
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: self defense claim I've ever heard.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, I guess they had to come up
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: with something too.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Che So it really was, though, those Facebook posts that
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: took this from a tragic domestic incident to something far
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: darker and far more public, because it was completely unnecessary
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to do something like that. Critics called it the ultimate
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: symptom of a society obsessed with social media fame, and
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: as we know, Derek very much so was pursuing that
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: that fame.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: He wanted his name to be known and.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Remembered exactly, so he did two posts to Facebook. I
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: believe I kind of like mixed it up a little
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: bit when I originally said it. I said he'd put
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the first post with the picture. Yeah, it was the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: first post where he did that big like I killed
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: my wife, Okay, and then it was a picture with
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: the rip.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, so like the first post didn't have a picture.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: No, so that's that's my mistake from earlier. The first
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: post didn't have a picture. Then he posted the picture
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: with the caption rip.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: It's still completely fucked up because loved ones and friends
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: and stuff are learning about this through that. Exactly, you're
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: opening your Facebook to that.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Well, and I don't know if I've actually wrote it
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: in the script. I don't think I did. The reason
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: why he claims he did post to oh, I do
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: have it here, it's like the next sentence. The reason
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: why he claimed he was posting those photos to Facebook
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: was his way of notifying Jennifer's family about her death.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: That's what he claimed it was. And I'm sure they
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: appreciated that thoughtful gesture.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: That's terrible, but asked.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: After posting, what was his next next step? Calling into
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: work was an interesting He called two co workers, two
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: coworkers to tell them, yeah, I killed my wife from
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: not coming into work.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: So he was I feel like he was enjoying these
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: reactions right one hundred percent. YEA.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Now, when he turned himself into authorities, he was accompanied
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: by his father as well, which means he went and
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: got another person roped into this story. He's enjoying the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: attention one hundred and ten percent.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: That is so messed up to be enjoying that sort
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: of attention.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I full heartedly agree with these critics calling
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: it the ultimate symptom of a society obsessed with social
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: media fame, because that's exactly what he was chasing. So
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: the prosecution, on the other hand, had a much simpler theory.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Derek's ego couldn't handle losing. When Jennifer threatened to leave him,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: it was too much for him to take. He reacted
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: the way fighters do by trying to win at all costs.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: And I don't exactly think i'd call Derek much of
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: a fighter, more of just an aggressor.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: So, once he quote unquote one he had, he had,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: he had what he had wanted right to make sure
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: that the whole world knew, and that's what he pursued.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Just like, I'm just sitting here and I can't stop
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: just thinking that he's a complete selfish asshole. The fact
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: that he did this, posted it to Facebook, that there's
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: like the little girl upstairs, It's just I don't know, well,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: he is he is only thinking about himself and like
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: just the people that he is also, well, he's murdered
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: one and then just hurting just so many other people.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: He's impacting so many people.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And speaking of Jennifer's daughter, like Isabelle, when she
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: was like, because she's you know, interviewed with this whole
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: court process, right when she's asked if there's anyone she
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: was scared of. Want what her answer was him, quote,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the only person I was afraid of was Derek because
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: he was mean to mommy.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Oh no, this is like a little ten year old girl.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. After six hours of deliberation, the jury found Derek
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: guilty of second degree murder.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, I kind of wondered because I thought first degree.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: He didn't go about, you know, really planning it thoroughly.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: It seemed like it was kind of a little bit
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: in the heat of the moment as well.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: But three months later, at the sentencing, Derek made it
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: clear he wasn't going down quietly. He stood up, addressed
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the courtroom and he ranted and rambled, threatening to quote
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: get his lawyers involved.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: For what.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Sentence he started.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Calling out, I mean this it was a weird like
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: rant that he made in the courtroom, he started calling
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: out the President of the United States, babbling about how
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: a movie that came out before his trial somehow made
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: this whole thing unfair, and for the record, the movie
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: had absolutely nothing to do with his case. He announced
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: that he was going to sue the court.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, checks out.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all these things that he's going on about confused
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: so many people.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: It had nothing to do with the case.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Like he's just talking about how Barack Obama and people
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: are so corrupt and he's got to do something about it.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: What the Okay, I agree with you.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I think he's trying to make himself look a certain
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: way to the courtroom, to the jury, to the public, or.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Just prolong his like moment in spot the Spotlight potentially
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: right by, like I don't know, having this big today
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and people listen to the shit that I have to say.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And I think he's just searching for notoriety. He's trying
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: to get people to talk about his story. I mean,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: we're doing it right now. But I think he's trying
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to be all like very Marilyn Manson esque, you know,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: like he was this crazy guy and like, oh my god,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: massive Headliners. No Derek you're just a fucking loser, and
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: it baffles us how you can be such a douche canoe.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's nothing like that makes him. I
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: mean sometimes the serial killers do get like that attention.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: They've killed like numerous people and they go about it
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: so many in so many different ways and stuff. But
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: he is literally just an abuser. Yeah, and he took
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: like his wife's life. I don't know, that is just
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: there's nothing really there to talk about it. Like, he's
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: just a complete idiot.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Now he was sentenced to life in prison, with the
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: possibility of parole after twenty five years. He appealed, of course,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: but his conviction was upheld. Once all of this hit
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: the public, people quickly discovered Derek's whole side career as
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: a self published author.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: And as the Internet does what the Internet does.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Do Seriously, they're not becoming popular, are they?
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Nope?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Nope, tru Okay, the internet went and they did Internet things,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: because before long, Amazon was flooded with sarcastic reviews of
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: his books. Some of the highlights include great book, the
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: author really sticks to his guns, Oh fantastic book, gave
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: my marriage a shot in the arm, Oh boy, I
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: had my doubts about reading this, but I finally decided
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: to pull the trigger.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, yeah, the internet really did go and
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: do a thing.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: There, Yes they did. Now his books have bad, terrible reviews.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Apparently they are just absolutely horrendous, with Barnes and Noble
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: having him like super low, like like it was in
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: like the tens of thousands on the bottom list of
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: like best sellers. It's like when you're like number one
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: best seller. Yeah, this was like thirteen thousand best sellers
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: like bottom.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Ye. You probably just have to read the Tide to
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: like place it that way.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Probably, right, Even if you look at the books, it
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: looks like an elementary school project.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: So even in prison, Derek, he became exactly what he
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: always wanted famous, just not for the reasons he hoped.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, Like, are you saying like the inmates had
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: attention on him?
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying because the reviews on Amazon and the
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: mockery the story that we're telling right now.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Because sometimes like people when they go into prison and
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: if they have you know, abuse, like a woman or
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: a child, they don't do very good in there. That's
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: what I kind of was thinking. You meant, I have.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: No idea how he's doing behind bars, and I hope
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: that he is, let's say, feeling some retribution. That's how
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: I hope he's doing behind bars. And yeah, that's the
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: story of the Facebook Killer.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: And he's still there.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: He's still there.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: When did he get sentenced? Sorry, because I'm just curious
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: how long he's going to be in there, because that's
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: so again I hate when they're just of an age
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: where they'll get back out and and he'll probably use
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: his time in there to carry on his you know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: wanting to be famous and stuff.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't think he will.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I believe he was sentenced in twenty sixteen, of February
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, so he's got.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Some time, he does. He's been in there nine years though,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: that's crazy. Yeah, doesn't feel like twenty sixteen was nine
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: years ago.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, thanks for just giving me that slap in
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the face of reality.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Appreciate that one there anytime. It's my job.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: So what was his like title again? Facebook?
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: The Facebook Killer?
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, the Facebook Killer?
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I know you're talking about like the title
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: of the book Boks, which honesty. Like, no, I can't
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: get over some of these book titles like where are
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: they here? How I Saved Someone's life, on Marriage, on
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: family Problems, True Communication, Attention, World, save yourself? And if
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the world ended today, how would you react to saving
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the world or helping the world or would it be
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: all over for you? I could barely do that in
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: one breath.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Is there any comma? Is there anything?
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Or it's just like I mean, yeah, there's some commas
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: in there.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, but still that is unreal. People wouldn't even have
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: because you know how they they assist. The people have systems,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: like bookstores have systems. They probably wouldn't even fit the
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: fucking title into the system of you know, where you
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: put a title of a book.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Could you imagine going into a bookstore and requesting said title.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I think the person would think that you were, I
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: don't know, a little bit.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Cuckoo or something.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I think so now, to be fair, I do believe
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: that these books. I don't know if there's hard copies
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: of the books. I think they're all in digital form.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: M okay, but even still, could you imagine like recommending
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: this book to a friend, Oh, you should check this out.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Here's a notebook that I wrote down the title of
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: the book and it covers the next four pages.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, here's still hoping that. Honestly, his time away
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: is spent reflecting really on what the fuck he does
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: he's done, And I also just feel so bad for
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: that kid, Like her daughter just lost her mom. Yeah,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: that's not okay. That like that is not okay to
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: have an issue with someone like that and your relationship
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: is so fucked up, and then you take her life
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: and no regards for the fact that she's a mom, Like,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: oh man, that makes me angry.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Well, he clearly had no regards for anyone because he's
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: so drawn into getting the attention himself. Look at how
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: many people he threw the murdered image in front of,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: like her lifeless body body. He threw it on a
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: public media forum where there's children foundly with your grandparents.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I just had the thought, like I wonder if he
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: had thought about that, because would you kill someone and
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: then later just have that idea or is it something
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: that you would have been, like, had thought about previously.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think he would have thought about it prior
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: to I think he just posted so often and was.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Just like about his day and stuff that it just
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: kind of felt natural.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, he's just like, oh this is post worthy?
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Why just fucking twisted to even think if that someone's
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: going to say this is postworthy. But I do think
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: that that's what goes on in his head because he
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: was so much like, I'm going to post things about
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: my day or stuff that I do, and I'm going
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: to get famous. You know, Like there's kids out there
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: who are like, oh, I'm going to do YouTube and
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: become YouTube famous, right, and they post the cool things
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: about their summer and their day. And I think that's
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: just what it was for him. He's just posting, you know,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: a big thing that happened to him. I can get
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: YouTube famous off this. Yeah, look at the Logan policy
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: situation back in the day when he was off in
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: the Japanese forest and posted a video on YouTube when
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: he found someone who committed suicide.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: But that actually did well for him, didn't it in
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: the end in the long run.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it did.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: No, No, it didn't help him in any way.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: No, Okay, I don't think it did.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I know I remember that. That's just like disgusting. I
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: actually just came across something. It was like today or
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: yesterday about just people. You know, it's kind of a
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: known fact that a lot of times people who post
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: a lot about how great their life is or their
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: relationship is that they're doing that and they're kind of
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: like overcompensating. Oh yeah, right, and in reality it isn't great.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's some instances where there they do actually
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: have a good relationship or whatever. But yeah, social media
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: is just I don't know, I used to like social
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: media a lot more than I do now because I
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: so want It's just not real.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: It's really not. For the majority of it.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: It's not real, and it honestly kind of just makes
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: you feel like shit most of the time.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: True, which, in all honesty is one of the big
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: reasons that our podcast is the way that it is
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: because we try and keep our stuff as real as
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: we can. We don't really edit stuff out. I mean
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: there's minor edits here and there once in a while,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: but I mean, majority of it it's just us shooting
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: the ship, talking about a story, having a drink, and
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: being us keeping you know, the reality to our posts.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which I mean, yeah, it's getting more and more.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: This world is just not like that anymore.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: No, so if you want to see more of it,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: stick around form.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Wow, what a pitch at the end that wasn't even plun.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: More social media is in the description of this podcast.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: In case you're lacking in those.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: But yeah, thank you for being here, Derek. You suck
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: and we'll talk to you next episode.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we're about to go and record.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Our Patreon exclusive.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, if you want to be a patron,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: now would be time because you get at the end
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: of the month elusive.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Episode exactly, and there's a whole library you can go
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: back and listen to a whole wack load more too,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: whole wackload. It's a whole whack load. You gotta get
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: the quack in there, the wack load, a whole wack load.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: So if you're not gonna go and tune into that
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: one until next time, stay wicked.