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#708 - Justus Talks Adam22, Bizarre Beef, AZ Hip Hop Festival & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Let's get into the interview. Bootleg Cat Podcast. Special guest
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  Speaker 1: in here. Representing AZ, my dog, Justice from Respect the
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  Speaker 1: Underground Arizona Hip Hop Festival.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 1: He's here.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: In L.A. In L.A. So you're doing the Arizona Hip
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  Speaker 1: Hop Festival. What annual festival is this?
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  Speaker 2: So this is the 14th annual AZ Hip Hop Festival.
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  Speaker 2: Check it. Only because we didn't fuck with 12. We
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  Speaker 2: went straight to 13. But we did two in 2021.
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  Speaker 2: So it is the 14th.
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  Speaker 1: So it's actually the 14th.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I didn't want to put a 12.
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  Speaker 1: So what year was the first one? 2013.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, 2013.
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  Speaker 1: I think I went to two and three.
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  Speaker 2: Comerica Theater.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Comerica Theater and then the one that you had
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  Speaker 1: at Marquee and you had the outside stage.
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  Speaker 2: Or not Marquee, Monarch. Monarch, we shut. So year five,
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  Speaker 2: we parted ways with Live Nation and Comerica Theater.
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  Speaker 1: And it was like downtown.
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  Speaker 2: And we shut down the city block from first to second, Washington.
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  Speaker 1: The Comerica Theater one was a movie.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 1: It was fun.
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  Speaker 2: It was, other than the Live Nation dick in my
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  Speaker 2: ass pause. But God bless them. Wishing the best. They
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  Speaker 2: put me on. But it was just working with Live
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  Speaker 2: Nation was not. it was financially didn't ever make sense.
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  Speaker 1: So this year you're connecting with Adam 22 stir, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and in integrating no jumper into the festival. What is that?
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  Speaker 1: What is the idea behind that? Um, and just like, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Cause I feel like it, I mean, obviously he's going to,
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  Speaker 1: is he going to host? Is he doing live podcasts?
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  Speaker 1: Like what is the idea of like bringing Adam in?
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's actually why I'm in LA. I just
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  Speaker 2: left no jumper and, um, chopped it up with Josh
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  Speaker 2: and Adam. Shout out to them for being so easy
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  Speaker 2: to work with and kind. You threw me the ball
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  Speaker 2: for that. So thank you. I'm grateful for that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I know a lot of people don't
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  Speaker 1: like Adam and they have, some people have good reasons
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  Speaker 1: not to like him. Me and Adam are solid.
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  Speaker 2: So man, he's been nothing but, you know, pleasant to
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  Speaker 2: work with. Josh is solid. Adam's solid. Like what I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to do is just build that bridge between no
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  Speaker 2: jumper in the city because he's just come, they're just
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  Speaker 2: coming out to be at the festival. They're going to
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  Speaker 2: do some meet and greets or enjoy the talent. They're
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  Speaker 2: going to watch it, cover the event, maybe create some content,
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  Speaker 2: But really, we're just trying to build that organic bridge
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  Speaker 2: to No Jumper and what they do because there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of artists in the city that I think would
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  Speaker 2: thrive being seen on that platform. Right. Rum Nitty, for example.
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  Speaker 2: V the Ruler for example. For sure. Big Doobie, for example.
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  Speaker 2: Like the real spitters in the city.
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  Speaker 1: Doobie's dope, man.
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  Speaker 2: Doobie's fucking dope. Nitty is a fucking monster. He's an alien.
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  Speaker 2: So Odd Squad. You know, like there's the Young Wave,
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  Speaker 2: Sam X. Sam X is absolutely exceptional, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's, like, a cool little underground wave, too, with, like,
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  Speaker 1: DJ Goth and, like, some of those more, like, some
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  Speaker 1: of the, like, fucking loud, weird, young shit that, like.
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  Speaker 2: MTM1, Spooky.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. What's the dude's name who... There's some new dude
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  Speaker 1: who I fucking... Remember that dude who I reviewed on
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  Speaker 1: the show and he had a bunch of, like, day
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  Speaker 1: shift strippers in the video? But it was, like, he had, like,
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  Speaker 1: a crazy voice. Maybe that is him. What is it?
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  Speaker 2: MTM1.
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  Speaker 1: Dreadlocks?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on the festival. He's from Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on the festival. So he's got a really
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  Speaker 2: dope wave. He throws his own blood raves in the
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  Speaker 2: EDM world. And they do the blade with the- There's blood?
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  Speaker 2: It's fake blood, but yeah, they do blood raves. So
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  Speaker 2: he's in the underground scene for real, for real.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: And then he also does his rap shit where his
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  Speaker 2: imagery is fantastic. He's really dope at the visuals, and
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  Speaker 2: his music's dope. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like Phoenix has so many different
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  Speaker 1: like pockets of like the scene and like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it is, it's still, um, unscratched potential there,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel like because of like, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the meat, I feel like the media landscape has changed
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  Speaker 1: there where you've got like these like mini blogs popping
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  Speaker 1: up that are kind of starting to catch on like
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  Speaker 1: AZ way too active, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: Down in the desert, way too active value underground.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think even, um, The Cactus Club guy
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  Speaker 1: who's doing the hood vlogs and the YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 2: Valley Club. Valley Club. Yeah, core.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I think it's starting to, like, bubble. And
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  Speaker 1: I think it's helpful, too, that, like, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people just like to go to Phoenix to party. So
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  Speaker 1: now they're like, oh, it's nice out here. Oh, there's
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  Speaker 1: some artists out here.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're going to get money, too.
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  Speaker 1: And get money.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of opportunity in Phoenix, for sure. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you have been a part. So I will always like,
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  Speaker 1: whenever people ask me about you, I always kind of
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  Speaker 1: describe you as like, if I describe you to people,
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  Speaker 1: I always will say you're kind of like the McKay
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  Speaker 1: Pfeiffer in eight mile of our city. Like you're throwing
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  Speaker 1: all the events. You're kind of like the.
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  Speaker 2: The, the, like, they're like, you know, that was proof, right? Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So you're kind of like the, you're an OG rapper.
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  Speaker 1: You used to be in a group called Cutthroat Logic.
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  Speaker 1: I saw you guys open up for Wu-Tang when I
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  Speaker 1: was a kid. But you've obviously, over the years, you've
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  Speaker 1: went solo. And what year did you launch Respect the Underground?
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  Speaker 2: 2012.
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  Speaker 1: So you're kind of like the guy, I always tell people,
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  Speaker 1: because is it fair to say that you have like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of pushback in the local rap scene because
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  Speaker 1: you will have like, people sell tickets to get on
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  Speaker 1: your show.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody, I hold everyone accountable.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the thing that is very, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: being someone who's lived in nine cities in Dunn Radio,
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  Speaker 1: it's a normal thing, right? And I always tell everybody, like,
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  Speaker 1: what justice does is like, it's like a necessary thing
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  Speaker 1: in a scene. Like, there is like the type of
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  Speaker 1: artist who needs to go and prove themselves at Arizona
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  Speaker 1: Hip Hop Fest or RTU showcase and they might suck
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  Speaker 1: but there's no other outlet for them to get on
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  Speaker 1: a stage and that stage might be somewhere on the
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  Speaker 1: north side because I remember you guys used to do
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  Speaker 1: showcases like Joe's.
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  Speaker 2: Grotto yeah Joe's Grotto 22nd Thunderbird.
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  Speaker 1: I remember that so it's like there's at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the day if there's like this this scene of
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  Speaker 1: artists who are unpolished and some of them might not
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  Speaker 1: have a future whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: But that so you have to give everyone an opportunity
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  Speaker 2: like you have two sides to the business you have
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  Speaker 2: the artist development side which is the Underground Academy. And
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  Speaker 2: that's where we teach them how to build a sustainable
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  Speaker 2: business model. And it's grown tremendously, right? But then you
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  Speaker 2: have the other side of the business where we celebrate
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  Speaker 2: our fucking hometown heroes, our nitties, our be the rulers,
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  Speaker 2: our doobies, everybody who deserves it. Markham's. Markham's. Markham's is headlining.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Record of the year. Phoenix
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  Speaker 2: is absolutely the record of the year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. I'm loving to see Markham's growth.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man. And he's been spazzing. for the last 10 years,
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  Speaker 2: just wrapping his ass off everywhere he went. He earned it.
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  Speaker 2: Him and Bryce worked their asses off to get where
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  Speaker 2: they are.
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  Speaker 1: 100%.
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  Speaker 2: So you have two sides to the coin, right? But
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  Speaker 2: everybody sells tickets. Like, we flood the block, bro. We
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  Speaker 2: get 150,000 tickets in the city, 10% show up, 15,000
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  Speaker 2: people at an all-local event with no national headliner. Where
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  Speaker 2: are they doing that anywhere else in the country?
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  Speaker 1: For sure. I mean, and that's the thing is, like,
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  Speaker 1: for you.
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  Speaker 1: So we have to be real about a couple of things. One,
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  Speaker 1: you're running a business. So it costs money to throw
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  Speaker 1: these events. You're not doing like you, you are like,
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  Speaker 1: you're a father. You know what I'm saying? You have
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  Speaker 1: kids who you got to feed.
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  Speaker 2: Like baby mamas, eight kids.
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  Speaker 1: God damn. Um, but so it's like, yeah, there's a
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  Speaker 1: business aspect to this where it's like for profit because
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  Speaker 1: everybody is doing what they're doing to make a living.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? So I don't, I don't
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  Speaker 1: understand the, like, I guess the, hell you get for
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  Speaker 1: that and it's like hey at the same time it
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  Speaker 1: is a necessary platform for like you said there's two
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  Speaker 1: sides of it but i do think like sometimes an
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  Speaker 1: artist needs to also realize all right i did joe's
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  Speaker 1: grotto in 2013 and i'm terrible so i see a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of like i i need to give up So if
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  Speaker 2: you knew how many artists I've worked with, we have
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  Speaker 2: a database with 10,000 artists registered.
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  Speaker 1: And most of them in Phoenix or Tucson?
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  Speaker 2: 80%.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so 80% of that's Arizona-based.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So over the years, so about 10,000 artists. Correct. And
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  Speaker 1: out of those, what percentage? A half a percent?
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  Speaker 2: I would say 1% to 2% are lifers. It's in them,
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  Speaker 2: not on them. Making music is who they are. They
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  Speaker 2: will always create art, fashion. perform, video. They're just creatives.
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  Speaker 2: That's who they are. And then you have your hobbyists
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  Speaker 2: who are always going to make music because it's fucking fun.
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  Speaker 2: It's like fantasy football.
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  Speaker 1: It's like my cousin Austin. I feel like my cousin
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  Speaker 1: Austin just put out new rap music and it's cool
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  Speaker 1: because he's my cousin, but it's also like it's his hobby.
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  Speaker 2: Skyrider. Shout out to my little brother Skyrider.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Northside's finest. But I feel like when him or like,
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  Speaker 1: I'll see some people who we've kind of, we know
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  Speaker 1: the same rappers, right? Where it's like, I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: this is fun, it's fun. So just do it. Like,
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  Speaker 1: some people are just.
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  Speaker 2: Doing the shit for fun. Right?
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  Speaker 1: Have a blast. And then there's people who are like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I really want to... This is my everything. I need
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  Speaker 1: to figure out how to break through. And and that's
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  Speaker 1: why like even doing some of these music reviews i've
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  Speaker 1: been doing online like man.
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  Speaker 2: You're so you're so honest.
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  Speaker 1: But dude like for example like uh there's this dude
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  Speaker 1: from sunny slope named long shot do you know this
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  Speaker 1: guy i do so his music isn't very good in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion uh And he submits, he submit like four
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  Speaker 1: weeks in a row. And every single week I was just,
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  Speaker 1: I was just like, dog, dog, bruh. But like, I
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  Speaker 1: still see him DMing me and he's still, he's still like,
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  Speaker 1: he did, he took it on the chin, if that
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  Speaker 1: makes sense. And like, he's, I think he's a lifer.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: And that's, so some people are going to do this forever. Forever.
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  Speaker 2: Because they love it.
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  Speaker 1: And that's, and to me, sometimes we just have to
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  Speaker 1: kind of realize like, With like any local rap scene
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  Speaker 1: or any hip hop scene, like some people are doing
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  Speaker 1: this because they love it enough where it's like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: some people go to and play poker on the weekends
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  Speaker 1: with their homies. Some people say, I'm going to record
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  Speaker 1: a rap album this weekend. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: I think Respect the Underground has, I think it's been
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  Speaker 1: a net positive for Arizona hip-hop, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: it's important to say that because it's like, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like y'all get a lot of hell for shit that
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, dog, like, if.
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  Speaker 1: Like, nobody else is doing... Somebody should do a better
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  Speaker 2: I challenge anyone.
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  Speaker 2: So we built a sustainable business model.
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  Speaker 1: Right, which is important, but at the same time, everyone
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  Speaker 1: who's talking shit, do your own thing.
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  Speaker 2: And they can't. Not a lot of them.
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  Speaker 1: And shout out, DJ Pest has been doing a good job.
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  Speaker 2: Pest does a great job. Salute to Pest.
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  Speaker 1: Pest has been doing cool events.
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  Speaker 2: Jalopi Bungus, Jasan Abernathy. Just sold out his own headliner.
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  Speaker 2: He's on the festival, right?
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  Speaker 1: He's dope.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing artist. I gave him his first show.
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  Speaker 1: AZ way too active. You know, I want them to
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  Speaker 1: get another venue. Shout out to my guy Benji and Staz.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be nice if they could, because they had a
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  Speaker 1: little venue going. But those guys, I think they need
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  Speaker 1: to start doing some live events. But I think, like, again,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, dog, you've been doing it for so many years,
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  Speaker 1: showing up. And, you know, it is what it is. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you've had moments over the years that you
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  Speaker 1: don't necessarily like, that you might regret.
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  Speaker 2: In my career? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you're beefing with someone every two weeks
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  Speaker 1: on Facebook. Is that fair?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I get death threats daily.
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  Speaker 1: Are you always in a beef on Facebook?
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  Speaker 2: So I typically don't entertain it, right?
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  Speaker 1: It's Facebook. Bro, I don't even be following people no more.
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  Speaker 1: I just be like, damn.
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  Speaker 2: But when it's festival season, it's par for the course,
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  Speaker 2: and I like that shit with a heart. Because I'm
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  Speaker 2: 15 years in the game. Ain't nobody pull up yet.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, I got two sets of gloves in
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  Speaker 2: the car at all times. I'm at the gym every
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  Speaker 2: morning at 830. You want to pull up and catch it,
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  Speaker 2: we can pull up and catch it. I'll buy you
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  Speaker 2: a smoothie when we're done. Right. Like, there's nothing to it.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But the vilification, you know, comes from them not getting
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  Speaker 2: results from the delusional outcome that they expected. Right. Like,
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  Speaker 2: they think I'm this Cinderella story that I'm just going
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  Speaker 2: to fly them out to meet, you know, Birdman and
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  Speaker 2: get a deal with Cash Money because they sold out
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  Speaker 2: the festival and whatever like no that ain't that kind
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  Speaker 2: of party like I like this is to celebrate the
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  Speaker 2: culture and it's a community based event and it influxes
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: the economy and the ecosystem that we created right but
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: for the young artists like when people bad mouth the
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: brand or myself is like picture somebody gets a membership
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: at a gym and then they purchase a trainer and
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: they pay him a thousand dollars a week to get
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: training but they don't go to the gym they don't
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: follow the diet they don't follow the workouts and then
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: at the end of the six month span or whatever
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: they're mad at the trainer because he scammed them Because
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: they didn't get swole.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: But they did nothing that he taught them. That's the
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: equivalent of what we do.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: We shooting in the gym and these motherfuckers do not
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: lift weights. They don't eat healthy. They don't rehearse. They
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: don't practice. They show up. They take a selfie with
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: their girl and then they vilify me and I scammed them.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like, I do feel like that Arizona
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: has a, I mean, and I've lived in other places
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: with similar issues like Vegas and Tampa, but it has
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: like a, everybody seems to get motion or traction by
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: just going at each other.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: And then they see the local, uh, engagement on those
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: kinds of posts or just being like, just stirring shit up.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: And then it's like, it just is. It's like, hell,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: that's why I like shout out to Merck. Cause I
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: feel like Muffler has been going at his head for
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: like two or three years. And he's just like, he
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: does a really good job of like, flying above it,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: I guess, I would say.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Well, he is above it because he's earned it. But, like,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: with me, I enjoy engaging with it.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: Because you're petty as fuck.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: I'm petty. I am. And I'm working on that. Sort of.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: But it is what it is, man. Like, God bless him.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: I wish him the best. But can't nobody knock me
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: off my pivot. Do what I do better than me
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: and I will support you and help you. And even
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: give you some game or venues or resources or whatever
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: you need because it's not cheap.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: What year, like, How many years ago did you initially
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: first start rapping?
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: I've been rapping since I was 10. So that was,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know. 1990.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: I was three.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: I'm 46.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm 39, so that's crazy. All right, so you've
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: been doing this for a very long time. Cutthroat Logic
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: ended up being a thing in the 90s, early 2000s. Yeah.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: What was like, because I do feel like you have
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of insight in terms of just like the
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: historical context of, AZ Hip Hop.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: I could run it back from the start. Right.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: So it's like, we've had so many legends, like, you know, Rockadalla,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: shout out to Mr. I-Rock, shout out to Survivalist, Boogie,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: MC Magic. Oak.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Merge McVay, Bionic Jive.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bionic Jive was on Interscope.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Associates.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Associates. Shout out to Mega Man.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Poke was signed to Artist Direct for 1.5. Yeah, Pokeface.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: That was the first million dollar deal out the city. No.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: And Poke will always be my OG. Poke put me
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: in a position to win. And when he signed his deal,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: he never switched up on Cutthroat.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Nah, Poke's the shit.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: But Cutthroat then came in and was just selling out.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Like our album released in 2004 had a thousand people
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: at it. Right. No radio support. No internet. We pounded
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: the pavement. There was only like six or seven opening acts.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like back then, there was like, I want
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: to say back then, it was what, Friday Night Flavors
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: was on? Like Squeak Boogie.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Squeak and Matlocks gave me my first interview on Friday
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Night Flavors the night before the release. It was January 23rd, 2004.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Crazy. Yeah, it was just like, it was kind of
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: like a dope era of hip hop because like you said,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: the Associates were doing their thing and then like, there
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: was all these dope Club Red shows happening and like, fucking...
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: What's bruh's name? The light-skinned bruh who threw all the
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: rap shows.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Ty Michael Carter.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: TMC Presents.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: TMC will always be... I remember his mom. Yeah, Adi.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: God rest her soul. That was Polk's manager.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: So TMC put.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Me on because we would do the street team to
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: pass out flyers, right? And I was probably like 17
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: or 18. It was the Roots in Common at Club Rio.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: And we had picked up Common from the airport, took
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: him to LA Fitness to play basketball.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Because this was when Common was just a fucking conscious rapper, right? Like,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: it wasn't really, nobody really equated it like, yo, this
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: dude's about to be a mega superstar. And Polk and
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Cash were on stage, and they called me out. They
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: were like, who wants to battle? And they pulled me
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: out of the crowd, and I battled some dude from
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Park South, a couple other cats, but the crowd went nuts.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: And then Ty was like, dog, Like, you guys need
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: to do this for real. Right. I was fucking 17.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: You know, so like it's moments like that. The concert
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: game is even different. The energy is not the same.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: People used to get dressed up to go to shows.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: That was like a thing.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Back in the day, that's how people were. I mean,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: people used to. I don't feel like people really be
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: dressing up to go to the club anymore.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Man, they don't dance either.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Bitches be wearing fucking bras and fucking.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Girls are naked. The girls are in their underwear and
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: dudes are wearing like overcoats in the summer.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: And fucking baggy sweats.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, bro.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: JNCO cut sweats.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. So for you, man, how would you kind
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: of describe, like, because I feel like, you know, Arizona
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: is like a place that is obviously, like you said,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of people go there to get money. A
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: lot of people got bitches there. A lot of people
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: like to party there. The hip-hop scene is definitely one
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: that is growing, but at the same time, I feel
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: like it's its own worst enemy. Yeah. Is there anything
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that you feel like the city needs to be better at?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Because you always will hear people say, well, you got to...
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And this is the thing that really pisses me off
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: about like, just artists in general. Not even... It's not
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: an Arizona-specific thing. But the amount of, like, the lack
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: of accountability people have for, like, why they're not bigger.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: It's always someone else's fault. It's like, well.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: There's no accountability. Well, if.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the radio in Phoenix was like the radio in LA.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: We'd get support. And it's like, that's incorrect. All the way.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Also the radio in LA is stricter than the radio
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: in Phoenix.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Dude. Jay steel is doing the best job. Any program
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: director has done in years. He gives beat locker three
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: hours every Sunday morning.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: It's like, it's like people just say dumb shit like that.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: And then at the same time, it's like, well, you know,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I've had, uh, people say like, you know, well, if, um,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I've had people walk up to me and be like, yo,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I need to come on your podcast. By the way,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: this is not a Phoenix specific.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Need.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: This happened at ComplexCon. Some dude literally was like, yo,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I need to get on that podcast. And I was like, oh,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: what's up, man? And I was like, well, shoot me
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: a DM. I'll check you out. He's like, you don't
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: know who I am? And I was like, obviously not, man. Well,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: let me give you my number. And I was like,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not giving my number to you, dog. Just DM me.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I'll check it out. You know what I'm saying?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: The art of communication is gone.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: It's that. And just people have like a real, like
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: they're very, very like entitled for like shit that like they,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: like you said, it's like, bro, there's so many artists
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: in AZ that are so talented. And for the most part,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: all of the artists I think are dope that I've,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: that I'm aware of have been on my show. I
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: think I've had like 43 or 44 different Arizona rappers
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: on the Blue Lakehead podcast here in LA.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Spazzing. And, Has Nitty been on the show yet?
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Who?
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Nitty?
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We interviewed him. He didn't rap. He needs to rap.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: He needs to come back and rap.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: But again, it's like there's not another national platform. Obviously,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I'm from Phoenix.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: You're fucking global, bro.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I'm a complex media powerless guy. I just got nominated
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: for a BT Award. I'm doing, in my opinion, what
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I would do with anybody. And that's if I see
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: someone that's dope, I want to try to help bring
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: them exposure. I invite them on the show. If they
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: happen to be from Phoenix, even better because I'm from Phoenix.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: But it's never good enough.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: It's never good enough. It's never good enough. Put it
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: like this, man. No matter what we do, it's never
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: going to be good enough. Right. And if the festival
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: was free or a nonprofit, no one would come.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Facts.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Because people don't attend free shit. You make a concert free,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I used to do it to test it out. No
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: one would show up. Open mic free, nobody shows up.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: But charge $ 100 at the door and then give people
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: free tickets, we sell out. The psychology is asinine. But
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: to go back to your question, what does Arizona need
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: to do? Arizona needs to understand the business of music.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: It is a music business.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: It's a music business. It is not the Music Salvation Army.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: This is not a charity. This is not a non-profit organization.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: This is a for-profit capitalization business. And if the state
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: and the city as a whole supported each other by
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: purchasing music from local artists, downloading it, sharing it, being
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: more just proficient in what's going on in the city,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: then we would see, if we had an economy like Houston,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: for example, Atlanta, they have their own ecosystem. You can
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: make a million dollars coming out the trunk in both
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: those markets independently because those markets support their own.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's the other thing. It's on
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the artist to build a buzz.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: You got to build a buzz. You have to invest
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: in yourself.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: You got to invest in yourself. The internet has removed
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: all gatekeepers. So whatever... Gatekeeping that you think exists in
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: the music industry?
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: It does not exist. Everyone is a DM away.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: If you make enough noise, you have to generate that energy.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like any of the artists in AZ that
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: got motion, they all got motion from their phone.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Understanding the business and then getting to a bag to
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: create that motion and not being scared to put that
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: bag on you to win. for sure me and caleb
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: used to joke my first you know too short concert
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: be like 10 bands on too short to win right
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: like you know now it's it's 100 bands on az
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: to win every time i throw a festival 200 bands
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: in 2019 right nobody's putting 200 racks up for an
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: all-local hip-hop concert right ever in life it's insane but
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: i'm not exactly.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Well uh there was like this little pocket of uh
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: AZ Hip Hop, where we had a bunch of guys
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: getting signed. It was the Hot Rod.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: 2008.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the Man.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Of the Squad.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Willie, Hot Rod.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: C-Thug. Rico. C-Thug. Signed with Universal.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Juice signed with Game.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Juice signed with Game. Rod signed with 50.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: What do you think? Why do you think none of
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: those things worked out? And obviously, all of those are
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: separate situations and separate answers, I'm sure.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: We could place Bame on the Curse of Arizona.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Because I joke the Curse of AZ is a real thing.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Like, how does Michael.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: If you think one of those guys.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: When Michael Jackson dies today, will the album come out? True.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: That's like, you can't write that shit.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Listen, I wouldn't say Hot Rod's like an Arizona guy,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: but he was claiming Arizona.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: He was an Arizona guy, but if you look.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: He was in Man Up Squad.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: If you look at his story, 50 rocked with him,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: and he fucked up a couple times, and 50 wrote
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: it out until, like, even gave him his own label
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: with Gino.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Well, he had a... A song with Mary.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Produced by Dr.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Dre. And it was a joint. The B-Eazy record was
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: a joint.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: But I don't know what A & R okayed that
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: fucking verse. Right. But that was one of the worst
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: verses I've ever... Nacho cheese?
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a rough verse.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: It was so bad, I remember it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was rough.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: And I was like, yo, who greenlit this fucking verse? Like,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: this is terrible.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: But the beat and the hook was crazy.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, it was Mary J. Blige and a Dr.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Dre fucking beat. Like, get the fuck out of here.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like Juice had some dope shit and
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: then Judge ended up signing with Stoudemire.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Amari Stoudemire. And he had Hell Yeah, which got picked
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: up by.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Which label was it?
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, Shadiq. It's the... The.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Producer, Salaam Remy's... There it is. Salaam Remy's label.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: That record was dope. Shout out to Jags.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: We still rock that record at Jags. Hell yeah. I've
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: done judges ad libs for that live because I know
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: it word for word.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Great record.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Easy to remember, but smacker. Man, it's just, unfortunately, the
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: bag is not behind the records and allocated appropriately. is
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: my opinion. I think the budgets get put into the
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: wrong avenues to push these records. And the organic fan
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: bases aren't built up and then grown and scaled out regionally.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Some people call you a bully. Do you think you're
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: a bully?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Not at all. I don't want no problems. What's the problem?
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: But don't tease me with a good time. Well, you
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: have like....
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Besides the situation you and I just talked about off camera,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: a while ago you had like... You've made it hard
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: for people to.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: To throw shows in Phoenix at times.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, no. I wouldn't say that.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: But I support everything. Right. I'll even send people my
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: dates so they work around them. But why would I
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: make it hard for people to throw shows? Why would
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I do that? I don't know. I would never stop
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: somebody from doing something that's beneficial to the city unless
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: they have an ulterior motive and they own some slimeball shit.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: If you're a slimeball and you're out here and you're
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: fucking just manipulating the fuck out of my city and
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: you're on some fuck shit, And, you know, you want
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: to get slit and run your mouth, and you might
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: get slit on.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: But I'm not going to slide on you on no
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: gangster shit. I'm just going to approach you in public
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: and lean on you, and we'll have a conversation, man-to-man.
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• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the podcast. Who would you put in the Mount Rushmore
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: of Phoenix hip hop? Oh.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's such a loaded question.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Four guys.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: No, it's five.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, give me your five.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: It's five. MC Magic, Without Fail.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Greatest Mexicano artist to ever come out of Arizona. Next
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: to him is I Rock, Without Fail.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Rockadala, for sure.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: The two OGs that paved the way.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: And without those two.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Those are the two pillars.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Bridging the black and brown. They worked together. Magic gave
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Rock's record to the radio.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Yep, I remember that.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: They supported each other. And because of Rock, I have
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: a song with Magic.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: No, they're the two pillars. They are the foundation.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Without question. I mean, salute. And then you have, you know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: it's a toss up because you got.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I think after those two, it gets.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: It gets sticky.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: It gets sticky.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: It gets really sticky because I want to throw you
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: in there because what you've done globally.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I would take my. I'm talking about rappers. I
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: think if you just talk about.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Are we talking about just rappers?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: If we're talking about.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: We're not talking about hip hop in general.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're talking about just... I'm just talking about rappers.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Just rappers? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because if we're talking about
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: overall hip-hop, yes, I would even put myself in there.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: So you also have it into eras, right? Because the
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: OG era and the current era, the futuristic era.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I think you've got to put futuristic.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: You have to put that. You have to put futuristic.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I think he's the other guy.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: But you also have to put Polka Face.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I like Polka Face.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Because Polk established lyrical elite penmanship. Mm-hmm. from the west but.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: So is your five spot uh your five spots gonna
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: get sticky here because there's some some directions you could go.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: There's so many directions i mean you got rom with
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: what he's done battle he's the number one one of
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the best battle rappers in the world according to joe
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: budden best rapper in the battle rapper in the.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Universe so so he's in the discussion.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: But what has he done impactfully like are we talking
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: about community impact because what magic iRock, and Poke have
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: done with Beat Locker, Marmara, and just Magic, period. Like,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: they've tremendous impact. Willie, the impact on the community is, lyrically,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: he is incredible. Like, Hood Dreamer's one of the greatest
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: fucking songs of all time. It came out before B.O.B.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: even popped. Yeah, I told him, I was like, man,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: that If that record had came out.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: A year early.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. If that record had came out a year later
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: with a bag behind it, he would have been a
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: rock star. He would have gone diamond. Because it's an
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: amazing record. But are we just talking MC skill level?
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm just meaning.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Just overall. I think you.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Nailed the first two for sure. I mean, Polka Face
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: is in that combo.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: He did Beat Locker. He's had Beat Locker for 10 years.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Without Beat Locker, where artists getting their records played on
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: FM radio, they're not happening. So... I mean, you got
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: V the Ruler and what he's done.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Shout out to V.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't know if he's Mount Rushmore, but he's definitely
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: one of the most consistent and talented. I mean, I
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: was a rapper, and what we did as Cutthroat Logic
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: was monumental.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Well, I think your Justice run has been more impactful, though, right?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Very much more. I mean, what we did as Cutthroat
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: was very similar, because we hosted the shows and sold
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: them out, but I was still the brains behind that.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Right, right, for sure.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I was the machine that made it work. So I'm
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: not gonna put myself on it ever, but, uh, it would,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: it would be, yeah, man, it's, it's, it's both.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Who are we missing?
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Magic. Um, futuristic.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I think those are the four then. I think I
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: like the futuristic, futuristic, magic.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I rock.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: That's a, I mean, that's a good futuristic.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: And then, and then, um, I, you got to give
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: it to rum for what he's done. That's a good
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: five because that's a, yeah. He's just, no one, he's
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: got over 50 million fucking views.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I think that's a great five.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Like, the guy flies out once every two months and
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: it's off with his head.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Nah, it's a good, I think that's a strong five.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody, there'll be a hard argument against
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: those five. And like, yeah, I think Zach is the, like, Zach,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: you gotta like, dude.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Dude, what he did independently.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Whatever people want to say. And then he was throwing
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: those shows at Club Red.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, fuck that. What he did on Jimmy Fallon with
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: That pop band, that song that went.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: It was on Fallon, yeah.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: That was like a top five Billboard chart, plus with
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Nerd and Compton.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: And how he went viral with Jacob Owens.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Get the fuck out of here.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: He was incredible. So December 12th is the festival. It's
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: one day?
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Just one day, yeah. We do one day.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Tickets are on sale?
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. But buy them from your local artists. All the
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: artists that are performing on the festival keep 100% of
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: their tickets.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: How many tickets do you anticipate? I know you have
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: a lot out in the streets.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: We'll do 5,000 to 7,000 people in circulation throughout the day.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: We did like 3,000 in summer. We did like 3,000
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: in spring. Last winter, last December, we did about 4,000.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: But that was with the new venue, only three stages.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: This one, we got six stages. We got the Mexicano
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: section with the lowriders and the tattoo artists and the
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: piñatas and the Spanish bands with the Mexicano hip-hop. And
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: then you got the legends inside. And then you got
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: the young wave outside. And then you got like the
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: underground academy, like the development stages. But we might even
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: be bringing out Kenny Dobbs and dropping a basketball court.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: That'll be fire. Three on three. Celebrity tournament. Dunk contest.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Three point. You know, we get this sponsorship check to clear.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and send it his way
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: and incorporate. We got a basketball logo with no jumper.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: We might as well have Kenny out.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Might as well. Have him out there doing some fucking shit.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Kenny's a legend.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: He is. He's one of the best dunkers in the world.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Arguably the best, you know. But that's a The festival
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: is to influx the economy and spread awareness so people
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: can celebrate each other's and support each other's businesses, from
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the streetwear to the food to the cannabis. Shout out
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: to True Med, Drip, Project Packs, all the cannabis sponsors
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: that are coming into play. But we give away like
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: 5,000 pre-rolls every festival. That's a lot of money. Go
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: to a festival and get some free gas and let
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: me know where they do that at. Nowhere. There you go, man.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: We do it here.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Well, appreciate you for pulling up, Justice. Appreciate you having me.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Follow my guy. Is Justice RTU?
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Justice underscore RTU. At AZ Hip Hop Fest. Matty Ice
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: is a bitch. Bizarre is a bitch.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, we didn't talk about the Bizarre thing.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I do want to talk about this. So Bizarre from D12.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Been on the show a couple times.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Fat fuck.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I want to say he might have said something on
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: one of our shows. So he has a couple songs
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: about a show in Phoenix.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: He's got two diss records against us. Show in Phoenix 1.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: So who's dissing you on those songs? Oh yeah. He's
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: talking about bag of tricks, cat Felix and me. Okay.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: So what happened with you and bizarre and why is
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: it fuck bizarre?
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: The best is that he came out with a 12
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: minute YouTube video three months ago, explaining it in like 60%
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: of his cap. Okay. Like he super exaggerates the whole situation.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: He says he almost died in Phoenix. He almost got killed. Okay.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: He didn't almost get killed. Not really. Maybe, but whatever. Um, Man,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: he got fried, bailed out the back door without performing.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: At a concert?
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: That you booked him at?
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Phoenix.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Phoenix. Phoenix the house cat is a dope artist. Bag
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: of tricks cat. Bag of tricks cat. Well, who's the
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: house cat? That's the EDM guy.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Bag of tricks cat.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Felix is bag of tricks cat because his grandmother sang
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: the theme song for Felix the Cat.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, I'm thinking there's a guy named
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Felix the House Cat that's an EDM guy.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Whole nother ballgame.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Whole nother ballgame. Okay, so Felix books him.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: For a show. So we do a song. We have
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: a song. Felix and I have a song with Bizarre
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: called Never Sober. There's a video. You can go look
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: it up. We did the record with him, and then
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: he flew out to Detroit and did another record with
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: him and Swift D and Knieva in Detroit. Got it.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And they shot him some videos. So we were working
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: with D12 loosely.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Felix was. I wasn't. I'm just supporting my man. Right.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: That's my dog. That's my brother. So he wants to
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: bring him out for his album, A Lease Party. And
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, why? We've already brought him twice. It kind
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: of sucks. Right. He doesn't sell any tickets.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: But he loves working with D12. It's like his shit.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right, bet. Run it. So he
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: flies him out. We bring him. We roll the red
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: carpet out for him, treat him with respect. Get to
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: the show. We hand him a care package from True Med.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Shout out to True Med and Drip, our sponsor for
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: the festival. Give him some gas. I'm like, look, take
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: it easy. You get fried right now, you're not going
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: to be able to function.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Like, this is really good. Little I know he's popping
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: perks the whole time. So night runs along and they
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: start pressing Felix to go on. Now, Grant, what you
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: got to keep in mind is this is Felix's album
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: release party. But in the room next door, we have
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: the Little Wayne Challenge because we're bringing out Little Wayne
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: to Comerica. OK, so this is a probably there's probably six, seven,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: eight hundred people in these clubs just jumping up and down.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: It's cracking.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: And he just wants to go on. And I'm like, bro,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: you're not going on. It's 10 o'clock. Like smoke your weed. Chill. Right.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: We're good. They press Felix. Felix don't buckle. They bail
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: out the back door without performing.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: I look at Felix. I'm like, look, dog. We're good.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Let's finish this night out. We'll get our money back.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Don't trip. On principle, Right. We had to go get
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: the bread back because I'm not going to let a
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: bunch of motherfuckers from Detroit come to my city and
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: punk us. Right. Without getting the bread back or else
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: that's a bad look for the city. So I just
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: called him. We went to Denny's. I'm like, look, bro.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I blew him up. I'm like, look, bro, we're going
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: to get some needed Denny's. You're going to bang my
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: cash at what you owe us. We'll let you keep
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: the flights in the hotel. but I want my money
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: back for your performance. I want it now by the
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: time I'm done eating. Or if I get done eating
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: and it's not in my account, we're going to come
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: to that hotel and I'm going to take it from you.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I said I wasn't threatening. I promised him. I'm like,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: this is not a threat. This is a promise. I'm coming. Dude,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: the hotels were in our name. Like, we booked them.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: So, like, it wasn't hard to get into the room.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm going to need my key.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I went to the front, had the homie go grab
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: the key, went to the door. Popped it. He screamed
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: like a bitch.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Got in.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: He dropped into the fetal position. Screamed like a girl.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Please help. They're going to kill me. And I just
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: took the money off the dresser. I counted out what
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: he owed us. I gave him a swift kick to
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the ribs. I threw the rest of it on top
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: of him. And I'm like, there you go. All you
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: had to do was rap, bro. And we walked out.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: As we walk out, security and the hotel staff is
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: coming down the hall. And I got a couple of
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: the homies with me. I'm like, yo, get, get, go
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: take the stairs. I'm going to handle this. I walk
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: right up to her, and she starts flexing on me.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Security lady.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: No, it was the GM of the hotel.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: It was an older black woman, and I just spoke
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: to her with respect. I said, ma'am, I apologize, but
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: you have a gentleman in your hotel room right now
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: that is intoxicated and on drugs. I'm afraid he's going
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: to damage your room. I need you to remove him.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: The rooms are in my name, and I gave her
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Felix's name. I'm like, I need you to get him
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: out because I'm afraid he's going to damage your property,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: and I don't want to have to pay for that.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: And he was in breach of contract, so I had
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: to collect some funds. Funds are collected. We're going to
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: go ahead and head out. And she goes, boy, SWAT
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: is on their way. We have called 911. You need
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: to go. And I'm just like, bet. I'm out. So, like,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: in this, by the grace of God, bro, like, as
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: we dip out the hotel, Felix is still in the lobby.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: But as we dip out the hotel, we get into
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: the cars, and I swear to God, makes a SWAT. Like,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: 12 SWAT cars. SWAT. Fucking boom, boom, boom. They're hopping out. Like,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: they called SWAT. And we're sitting in the car just
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: like watching. And I'm just like, we need to go.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: So we did. And that was it.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: And so from that, Bizarre made two songs?
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Two songs and has done videos and tells everyone about
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: that story whenever he deals with anybody from Arizona. He's like, oh, yeah,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: I don't fuck with Arizona.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he said that to us. Like, I
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: guess he wasn't an Arizona fan. What year was this then?
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is like, dude, this is Master P era.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: So this is like. When I signed a deal with
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: No Limits. So I'm talking, like, this is 2016. Okay.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: This is 10 years ago. And this video just came
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: out three months ago.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Has he reached out at all? Have you reached out?
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Olive branched it?
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Why would I do that?
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Like, hey, man, if you're going to
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: tell the story, tell it accurately.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Like, tell the truth. Yeah. Like, he says that he
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: gave us the money freely in the lobby, which is incorrect.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: We popped his hotel door.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: To get the money.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: And he dropped like a little girl and screamed.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: And I took the money.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: So his... What he's saying is... Hey, I gave him
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the money in the lobby, and then I still got
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: roughed up.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: He insinuates. He doesn't tell anybody that he got roughed up.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: He says that we were there to kill him.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Would Bizarre be able to come to Phoenix on tour
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: and be okay right now?
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was 10 years ago, so I don't
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: know if it's like a pull-up, but maybe just for fun. Okay.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I might pull up and go make him uncomfortable.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Just like buy a ticket to the show?
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: No.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: He's a nice guy.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I go through the back.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's like a nice more sober guy.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: So this is the thing is he says in the
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: video everything cool till it's not. Like we really liked Bizarre.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed working with him. I introduced him to Odd Squad.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: He's a super chill guy. Yeah.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: He was a blast to work with until he bailed
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: out the back.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: And on principle we had to stand on business.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: You gotta do good business.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: We had to stand on business.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Also putting the artist who's paying you into a shitty
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: position because if They look bad if the person.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: No one noticed Bizarre wasn't there to do his two verses. Right. Like,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: he didn't cost his ticket money. Right, right, right.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: People were there to see Felix.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Correct. It was the principle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: So, God bless him. Wish him the best. Would I
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: flex on him? If we were in a restaurant and
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: I seen him and he started mean mugging and he
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: wanted smoke, then yeah, we'd run it. Okay. But if
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: he just gave me a nod and like... He'd probably
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: do it moving.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Because he's still terrified, which I don't understand. There wasn't really...
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: It wasn't... It wasn't anything worthy of, like, what he
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: claims it was.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Is there anybody besides the two fuckers you got off?
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Any other fuckers you.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Want to get off? Oh, fuck Sincerely Collins. He a bitch, too.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: He not in the city no more.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: He left?
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I heard he got ran up on and had
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: to leave.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: You know, I used to work with Collins.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I know you did. I was in his video on
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: the South Side, and you called me the Obama of
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Arizona hip-hop to Jadakiss.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that was at the Made for This shit.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Yep, with Jadakiss. It was amazing.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Honey Badger.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: On fucking Seathug's block, on Rico's block.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Why do you guys have beef?
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about that, but rumor has
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: it some guy in a ski mask caught him in
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: a parking lot going into a radio interview, and now
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: he lives in Oklahoma, and he'll never be back.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Dang. I haven't talked to Collins. I think that we're
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: in like a place where we could talk again.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: But why would you?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know, because we have a history.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if all you share is the past, what's
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: the point?
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: It's fair. But I'm saying like, if Collins called me tomorrow,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I'd pick the phone up and we would have a
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: very overdue conversation.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe he will because of this interview, but he's
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: a bitch and if I see him, it's up.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my whole issue with Collins, I guess it was
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: just really just like I just felt like we poured,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I poured a lot into him, you know.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: You gave that man everything and when it came time
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: to bear the fruits of your labor, I just poured
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: a lot into him. He poured it sincerely.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I poured a lot into him.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Oh man, I watched what you did with his career.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: You took him from sleeping on couches to the number
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: one record in the city in radio rotation and deals
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: on the table.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, he is a talented kid.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: One of the most amazing songwriters I've ever met.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: He's incredible.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: He's still a fucking weirdo.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean, but yeah.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Hopefully his chakras are aligned.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I think eventually we'll, uh, I mean, if I saw
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: him today, I'd give him a hug and talk.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: To him, you know? Yeah, I wouldn't. I'd run it. Fair. No,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: he owes me a fade.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, you are Mr. Run the Fade.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Taking all fades.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Taking all fades. T-A-F.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: C-T-L-T-A-F.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: All right, well, go follow Justice. Go to the Arizona
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Hip Hop Festival December 12th. Adam 22 will be there.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. No jumper in the building. May have some record
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: labels in the building scouting. You know, we got some
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: cool situations with that. And I'm just, you know, we
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: just want to, Build the community brick by brick and
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: do something positive for the city so we can have
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: something to celebrate.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: There it is, man. Appreciate you pulling up, Justice.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you.
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