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Episode 3. The Experience Machine & Billy the Butcher vs. The Mandalorian · High n' Dry Podcast

• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: Alright everybody, welcome to High and Dry.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Ryan Barron North, and with me today is former forklift operator, James Crosslin.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: How are you doing today, James?
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm doing good.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_02: Now nowadays I'm mostly a cannabis enthusiast and uh also web dev.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: Made the professional switch.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: Sure did.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: So on high and dry, James gets high and I get drunk and we talk about stuff.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_02: I've I've heard this.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: So James, let's jump right into it.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: What are you smoking today?
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so today I'm smoking a uh a lovely Kush dissolute from Rove cartridges.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: Rove.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_02: Please send me marijuana and I'll continue to push your products.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm not afraid to sell out.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: We've always been, I think we've always been about that here in High and Drive from the very first moment.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it truly I have no principles if you offer me money.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, um Oh, and what are you what are you drinking, Ryan?
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: So today I'll be enjoying the rest of the Captain Morgan Black.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't able to finish from last time.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: Still waiting on the free case from uh Captain Morgan.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see how that goes.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure it'll happen right away.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: Any any any second now.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm checking the mail.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh let's get right into it.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll be taking three shots of my Captain Morgan Black Spice Rum.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: James, you're gonna be taking three of your hits.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: Debs, how does it work on this one?
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_02: So so I've got my pen again.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_02: Uh the concentrate market out here.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_02: I I've not found anything that really suited me recently.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I'm doing so I'm doing uh uh concentrate pens right now.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: Let's do it.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds wonderful.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's have that.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do that first one right here.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: Let me pour this up.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that was a big that was a nice big hit.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_00: Every time I tell myself never again.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: And then I made a podcast about it.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um mine tastes like cotton candy almost.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so before we take that second one, sure.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we have a quick shout out.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: So going through our stats here, it seems that we have quite the loyal listeners in Virginia.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, do we?
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, we do.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_02: I Christianberg, right?
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: Christianberg, Black Bristol, uh Washington, Virginia.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: So, Virginia, if you're listening, um I mean most people listen to podcasts on their way to work, right?
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: Stop the car um and take a shot.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: Don't do that.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's illegal.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's not.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: He gets out of the car and takes his shot.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_02: Plus, we don't know what's legal in Virginia.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's I've heard it's pretty lawless.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're not telling him I told him specifically.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: So, Virginia, stop the car, get out from behind the wheel and take a shot.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_02: And then sit on the side of the road for a half hour to an hour.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's an hour per shot, if I remember correctly.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so you're gonna be late to work, but hey, you got called out.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: You got called out.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for listening to our podcast.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: For real, though.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: We appreciate you, Virginia.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh here's round two.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't have to be when you're driving, though, if you're at work.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_02: Some people listen to podcasts.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_02: Just take the bottle out of your desk drawer and just get that shot in there.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: However, you have to do it.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: All right, time for a third one, huh?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_02: All right, let's do it.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I can never tell if the third one's the hardest or the easiest.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_02: That's what she said.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: Here we go.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: Work it down, work it down.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: We get ripped.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_02: Just for future reference, this part where we get publicly high and drunk.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_02: This is for you, advertisers.
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  SPEAKER_02: Fill this time.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, do what you want to do here.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we'll uh we'll put on a little jangle.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we'll uh um I know uh Bronny's lawyers are looking to get at us after that humiliating defeat last week.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_02: He has two penis barbells.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_02: You guys are misrepresenting.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we we messed up.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, Brownie.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: We forgot that you had two.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: And it's linked to his nipple.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so uh after that, so before liquor touches bottom, we want to just remind our folks at home because we're probably not gonna I know I'm not gonna remember this at the end by the time we're done talking.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um remember to uh you know follow us, uh BuzzFeed.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_01: So it's high and dry podcast.buzzfeed.com to get to our normal website, but you can also find us on Spotify.
• 5:12
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• 5:18
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• 5:22
  SPEAKER_01: And it's dry.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: High dry.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_02: High m dry with an N.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's a very important distinction.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: If you put an and in there, you're gonna find some other people, and that's not our website.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's not us.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: Not us at all.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: So let's get down to business.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we've done our bits, we've talked to Virginia, we've plugged ourselves, and we've taken drinks.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get down to our first segment on high and dry.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: For uh, if you live in Virginia, you know this already.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: Our first segment, we're gonna throw down something thought-provoking and we're gonna talk about it while the liquor settles.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: Our second segment, we have a versus match for you.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, if the promo has gotten out there appropriately, you know that tonight we're gonna be discussing Billy the Butcher from uh Amazon's show The Boys, and he's gonna be going up against The Mandalorian from Disney's The Mandalorian.
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  SPEAKER_02: Title character versus not title character.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's uh huge advantage.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: Huge advantage.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and uh you know eventually it's just gonna come down to which company pays more by the end of this recording.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Disney, such a massive corporation, they're probably Disney versus Amazon.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_02: Holy crap.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_02: Alexa's listening.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_02: Jeff Bezos will have shipped out, he will have sent a drone to shoot money at us before I don't know if Disney can get us there as fast.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's a tough call.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: So Disney versus Bezos, who runs Disney?
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: No, I can't even tell you.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: They're in the shadows.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway, that they're very publicly stated on their website, I'm sure.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_02: We just don't know things.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, any second now we're expecting a check from both of you.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: You have until we finish our first segment.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get it on.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, for today's thought-provoking thing that I'd like to bring, I would like to talk about the experience machine.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_01: Are you familiar?
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  SPEAKER_02: The experience machine.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um it makes me think that it's possibly like a pleasure device um that like creates experiences so that you don't have to experience them in the real world.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's what I think of.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, you're pretty close.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this one, um, this one was developed by Robert Nozick in his book Anarchy, State, and Utopia.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love anarchy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so the the question posed here, uh, or the concept that's being posed to you, is imagine that super neuroscientists, they've developed basically the matrix for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and all it does is simulate pleasurable experiences for the rest of your life.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's ultra-realistic, completely indistinguishable from reality.
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  SPEAKER_01: There are no adverse side effects, and specific pleasurable experiences will be programmed for you and be just put right into your own personal simulation.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, regarding you know, the pleasurable experience, uh-huh, it offers more than what is possible in several lifetimes.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that sounds awesome.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: The question is do we have any reason to not go in?
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_02: So, because this person is an anarchist, I believe the argument is gonna come down to whether our autonomy is being infringed upon.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do we choose to go into this machine?
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is your choice.
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  SPEAKER_01: My choice to go in.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's your choice to hop into this machine.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the question is, is there a reason not to go in?
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, uh, is there a reason not to go in?
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel that's uh each person's that is the basis of autonomy is is uh does each person does each person's opinion matter equally in the way they govern themselves?
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_02: And some people may choose to go in the machine.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: And some people we will then so you personally, yeah.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm asking uh former forklift operator.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um James.
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  SPEAKER_01: Are you would you go into the machine?
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's this so the the stipulation, it seems, is that it is the rest of your life.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: Your life will be spent inside of this machine.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um Do I only get this offer once?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like you can see how it goes for a minute.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so well then the so then if so if you're having that hesitation, what reason do you have not to go in?
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: Because the whole the idea is that if you have any reason not to go in, then hedonistic utilitarian utilitarianism is basically false, you know, and that pleasure is the only good when so apparently there's more to it in your head.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I I don't think that it negates hedonism.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: See, I think people I think hedonism gets a bad rap.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hedonism is about following pleasure, but a lot of people get pleasure from working.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people get pleasure from things that aren't just given pleasure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes they sometimes they get pleasure from giving pleasure and having an effect on the world.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you go into the machine, you stop having an effect on the world.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: And that and having an effect, having like meaning is part of pleasure.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, as far as um I mean uh anthropology and the evolution of societies, one of the theories or hypotheses um is that you know, culture in its early stages, you know, that we're still obviously kind of shaking off, is that we develop, you know, first a ruling class who then's anti-hedonism, uh you know, who is in that more, I guess, puritanical vein.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because if you you know just have the option to throw your life towards pleasure, a lot of people are going to do it to it, are going to do that, society isn't going to evolve and develop.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_02: Well, so I think it's I think this idea that so development and like progress are very subjective things.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: They're not uh they're not well defined, and it depends on whose perspective you're looking at progress with, on whether it's actual progress or not.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: So you could say that uh indigenous Americans uh probably did not see westward expansion as progress, they probably did not see it as a positive driving force for their civilization.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: And um those people who end up on top, uh, they tend to they tend to not want to share that.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's why the puritanical anti-hedonist mindset takes hold, is because if other people got to experience it, it wouldn't be a luxury anymore.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's not something that only you can have, it's not a display of power.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_02: I think that I don't think that we should base our idea of progress off of that.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um idea behind it is that it is something that will eventually be evolved off as well.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be great.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, if we could all be hedonists, you know.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so let's bring it back to why wouldn't you go into the machine?
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: You personally.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: So the reason I wouldn't go in is because I part of what brings me pleasure is having an effect on the world.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: If I go into the machine, I know I'm having no effect.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's a it's a it's a very selfish act.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_02: But uh but to me, it just uh if I knew that I did it, it wouldn't be fulfilling to me.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: What about you?
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: So uh I I agree honestly very much with you.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I I don't see, but here's the thing, I don't know why.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: I there is like you know, and I know that there's always someone who has it worse.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm well aware of that.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: But me just being having gone through my life, what I've gone through, and fought through what I fought through, it it's just like fucking why?
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: Why would I not just want to be done with it and go into this machine?
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: But for some reason, I can't get in the machine.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think that I think that it comes from a thing that both you and I have struggled with in the past, is like uh being genuinely proud of ourselves.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like I think because of our failures, you gain a sense of pride in overcoming them.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: And going into a pleasure machine means no more growth.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, there's there's no more growth, there's no more legacy, there's no more and there's nothing.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: But but I mean, but so but then you say like there's nothing real, but then you have to ask, well, what the fuck is real?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: And what why the hell does real matter to me?
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and when real has been just terrible.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean, I mean, I guess there are there are overcoming it is part of the pleasure of reality.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: I I think so.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think in my life personally, I've taken the most pleasure out of moments in which I have overcome something.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: And that's and I take it, I take those those moments I cherish far more than any you know, hedonistic pleasure.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: You can also that can also be hedonism.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: Enjoying the overcoming of it can be hedonism.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that hedon, hedonism gets kind of a bad rap because it's seeking pleasure, but sometimes pleasure comes from overcoming struggle.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's productive and it's pleasure seeking.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so then the next question, then we still before I get onto that one, and I'll probably forget, you know, I feel that third shot coming.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I guess so.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: I guess then we well, okay.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: So your definitive then one sentence answer why didn't you get in the machine?
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't get in the machine because if you listen to our last episode, um we we see you, Virginia.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: We Virginia knows.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_02: We talked about we talked about how people hate change.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that I try to actively avoid that because I feel like that's very toxic to be static.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, uh, yeah.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: And um, and I think that getting into the pleasure machine is a form of stasis.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_02: You're you're nothing is new anymore.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: You're you you are there until you die, and sure, you're getting pleasure, you're getting pleasure all the time.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: But can can it sim if it only gives pleasure, then where is the struggle that makes pleasure meaningful?
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: Can you have pleasure without suffering?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Can you even understand what happiness is if you've never been sad?
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: This was a question that was tackled in a show I really love called The Good Place.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought it was a wonderful ending to a series.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: And uh and the answer was give people a choice.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm for the pleasure machine.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_02: Let it exist.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Let it exist and let people do it if they want to.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: But that's your choice.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_02: You get to choose at any time.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, hop in the hop in the machine.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: That's autonomy, and even if it's for the rest of their life, because what if we what if we end up being immortals?
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: What if we can't, what if we keep what if we live and can't die?
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: We should have the option to die, to go to a place of what could be infinite pleasure or nothing.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, I agree.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I think, yeah, in the end, just comes down to if if a person wants to fucking do it, let them fucking do it.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um so so as far as the experience machine, is that what it's called?
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: The experience machine.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: Fuck that machine.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_02: But also, whatever.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to give a machine, then I give a machine.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh James, final thoughts on the experience machine.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I think that's uh yeah, let's do it.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: Let's let's I think we should court order it.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: I think that uh I think that if anybody has any behavioral problems, they go in the pleasure machine.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I think our society will be great then, right, everybody?
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: All right, fantastic.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so that's the experience machine.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: Next up, we move into our verses match.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: And this one we have an exciting one.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: We have Billy the Butcher from Amazon Primes the Boys.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then we have The Mandalorian from Disney's The Mandalorian.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Promises to be a pretty decent fight.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I know Virginia's been waiting for this for a long while now.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: A whole week from Virginia.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: So before we start, um, we're gonna go ahead and do one more shot, one more.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, let me pour here.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: Let me pour.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: For those of you listening at home, this is when you're gonna go ahead and uh take another shot or stop the car.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: And if it's oh, also, we're recording this on November 4th.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: Congratulations, all those states that legalize marijuana in those states where it's legal, where it's the only place that where it's okay to smoke weed.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: If it's illegal where you are, then it is morally wrong for you to smoke marijuana.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: I hope you know that, and I'm disappointed in you.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: But those but those lucky states that got it legalized, toke it up, man, and joy.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: Have fun.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so here we go.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Round four.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: Tie and dry.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: Woo! And to that guy in Virginia.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: Or one of or just person.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: I did say man there, also.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, just person.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: Why say guide to everything?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we gotta knock that off.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and we're we'll be better, everybody.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sorry guys.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's about this show, but it's really about personal growth.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: Now let's talk about these two fictional people fucking each other up.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: All right, here we go.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: High and dry, episode three.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: Billy the Butcher versus the Mandalorian.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: We've uh at this point in these episodes, we've developed a way we're doing this.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Fight goes into three rounds.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: First round, no shoes, no shirts, no belts, and they step in the ring and punch it out.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Second round is the individuals in question now have all of their abilities at hand and then punch it out.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: And finally, the third round is a similar scenario, however, these two now have a cityscape in which to participate in their murder of each other, and they also get to bring a friend.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: So utilizing people's strategy and what have you, basically, in the third one, and whoever they would bring along for the fight.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, round one, Billy the butcher hops in the ring with the Mandalorian.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh, this is the big one.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: This is it, people.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: This is it.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I do also have to remind everyone at home um and everyone who's just tuning in, um, we are America's number one podcast um that contains myself and James.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: And as that being the case, this is the definitive experience on who would win in this fight.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: This shuts down all nerd fights.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: You no longer get to talk about it.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: All you got to do is send a link to this show, and the winner will be determined on that.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we don't want to hear any of your guff.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we don't want none of it.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: So here we go.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so the two guys are in the ring.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: You got Billy the butcher, you got the Mandalorian ready to punch it out.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: So basically, we got two dudes.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Carl just it's Carl Urban.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's Carl Urban and uh the Obron frombron from Game of Thrones.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we know how that works out.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um we do know how that works out.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: We do know how that works out.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: I mean so they kill each other.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: They nailed it.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, the only person that I've ever seen take out Carl Urban, though, is Vin Diesel.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: In Riddick.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_02: When he had the rat tail?
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, I forgot that was Carl Urban.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's so funny.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: He's in so many.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: He was Cupid in uh um the Jay and Simon Bob.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: Was that Jane?
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was one of those movies with you know that crew, the mall rat crew.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: He was Judge Dredd.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: He was in that Doom movie.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: He was was he Doom?
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was Yeah.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: God damn.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_02: Carl Urban's great, everybody.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he is great.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_02: His movies aren't always great, but he is almost always the best part of any movie he's in.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: Without a doubt.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: He's so he's so fucking funny.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: He's got a face that was like chiseled.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: Someone someone carved the man out of stone.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: His Jaw is just a hunk of ancient stone.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: No, and it's weird seeing him blonde as cupid.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's bizarre right now.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: But I bet you right now he's getting his ass kissed a lot with the boys and everything like that.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: Don't let it go to your head, Carl.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we know you're a big fan.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we know you're listening.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: You're in Virginia right now, waiting for the news, this episode to come out.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: Don't let it go to your head.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we love you as that underdog who gets that really good Judge Dredd movie and never gets a second one.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: Then gets killed by the diesel.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, we're completely off track.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um so Mandalorian, okay, so Carl Urban, his character, Billy the Butcher.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: From what I understand, from what I've seen, researched, yeah, CIA trained, military trained in combat.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the Mandalorian trained in a very nondescript, very general training.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: Very general training in a warlike tribe.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: And everyone will, I'm sure everyone's gonna bring up like he comes from a race of warriors who are all dead.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, yeah, they are all dead, and um, and also uh like wasn't it his story that he was like that he wasn't trained from birth, like he was picked up when he was like 12 or something.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: So he was an orphan.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: That story is so tired.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, but I don't I don't I'm not here to discuss the merits of that particular storytelling.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: So who you thinking is gonna take it hand just hand in hand?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: We got the CIA operative versus the orphan trained from 12 to be a bounty hunter.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, he always had like so the man's never been without his helmet, you know, he never fought him fight without a helmet.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: You can't have a helmet in the ring.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so he will be without it.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: So, well, that's something to bring up because as the Mandalorian show shows, that is D-Way, and he will be he'll be a little off with that.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he'll be off as because they always have weapons.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like he was he he was he was he was effective with his hands.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: There was a there was when he killed that mudhorn, when he stabbed that mudhorn in the neck, that was weird.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like he killed he like that was weird that he shoved the knife in the neck and then it like died like in a second.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, what the fuck kind of magic is this?
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: He must be really like there he must be really good with that knife.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: But he doesn't have a knife in the ring.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, he sure gets tossed around in a hand-to-hand.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he does, and he's prone to being knocked out or wounded just critically.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think uh I think I think Butcher would take the just hand-to-hand one.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I I'm trying really hard to look for evidence to the contrary.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you don't have to worry.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: I mean uh Mandalorian has a couple rounds to come back.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think this is just pretty clear.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: I think we're being very fair in that Mandalorian has gotten his whenever it comes down to hand to hand, he sure gets tossed around a lot.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_02: But Butcher is like trained to defend himself.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: And he does well against supers.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, in the first episode, he fights the invisible guy, and he does really well.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I say we just give round one.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: I think we're in agreement.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_02: Round one goes to Butcher.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: I have what's congratulations, Butcher.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: I know this is the one you were hoping for.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: Starting off strong.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, round one is over.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Billy the Butcher takes round one.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Round two.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: So round two is a similar concept, except now both of our combatants have their weapons.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: This one I feel might go straight to the Mandalorian.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so what's what's butcher gonna bring?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: So so we've seen that Butcher can shoot a moving target with a 50 caliber sniper rifle, uh, which is pretty good.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_02: That seems like a good use of of weapons.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: Let's see, what else did he manage to do?
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we've seen him use a handgun.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: He always hits.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: He always hits.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't come up a lot just because of who he's fighting.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_02: We that's true.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: He does shoot him a lot, though, and it does nothing.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: It does nothing.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: But if if it did something, I think he'd be good.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: But he had all those improvised explosive devices that he used against Black Noir, which is pretty they all fucking hit.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: They all hit.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: They all hit, and I think that I think that the soups in uh the boys are stronger than the Mandalorian.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: Without a doubt.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so I so I think the butcher does bring some pretty good uh stuff to the table.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: It also, we also have to take into account that the Mandalorian tends to fucking stumble into things that hurt him.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's part of his character that he fucking stumbles into everything.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: He really does.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but on the other hand, he has super space weapons.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, those weapons, they never seem to do so.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: We got a flamdoor.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: Billy can have a flamdoor.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: But we're taking him at his best.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: So we're taking his he's got his plasma gun, rifle, he's got pistol.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: He's got a thing where he shoots a bunch of little shit out of his wrist.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: And then they auto-hit on people.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: So, alright.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: I uh for a second there, I was like, are we about to just have a Billy across the board?
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: I was thinking maybe this one would turn into a tie, but with that, with that wrist thing that you just brought up, I don't think Billy can top that.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think he can either.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: I think that uh I think that I think that he has an insane advantage, but I think Billy would put up a great fight.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: A great fight.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: I think that it would be a laudable fight between a human and a space armor man.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I wouldn't want to fight Billy, that's for goddamn sure.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: But I do think that round two is going to the Mandalorian.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: Agreed?
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I agree.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, so there it is.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: Round two goes to the Mandalorian, which brings us into round three.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: So this is the full city.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: Anything goes, they have they are now able to use their tactics, which I think now is gonna be really helpful for Billy.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then they get to bring a friend.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: So first we have to figure out who are they gonna bring.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I've thought a lot about it.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: I have too.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm I'm glad you did too, because I don't think it's who everyone thinks it is.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: No, you would you like to go first?
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: Uh go for it.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_02: You take this one.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, so alright.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: So I think with especially with the Mandalorian, everyone's saying Baby Yoda.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: The entire show is about him not bringing Baby Yoda.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: He wind up bringing the uh the what's the name of the lady that he meets?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: The strong lady.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: The strong lady.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't remember, but she was really effective in the field until the final episode.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: When they just didn't hit they all turned into stormtroopers.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there was that other strong lady.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember second strong lady?
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um from like episode four or something.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: She was the she was the woman who was in.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: I actually really like her.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think she's great.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, she was the uh she was in Deadpool.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's who I'm talking about.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's who you're talking about.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's who I'm talking about.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: She she becomes his main sidekick.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, that's right.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: She's she's with him until the the bitter end.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's her name.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh uh Gina Carran Carano.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: Carano?
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Carano?
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's Gina Carano.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but she plays as the the sidekick.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: She's pretty cool.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, I'd say he'd bring her.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: She's she's she in the episodes I saw her in, she is really effective in the field.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she no, she's effective, she's strong, and she uh carries a big gun.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um so she does have that, and that's why because everyone's gonna say baby Yoda.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: Baby Yoda's a little too erratic, and also a baby.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: He wouldn't bring him.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: He wouldn't bring Baby Yoda.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: He also couldn't uh you couldn't predict what Baby Yoda's gonna do.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: Baby Yoda might be knocked out or eating a frog or some shit.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: But uh so I think the same thing assumption and no, you're wrong applies to Butcher.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone's gonna say Huey.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: No, he should bring Starlight.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: But he well, so but he wouldn't bring Starlight um because he doesn't like Starlight.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: And and he wouldn't bring Huey because his entire thing is about not bringing Huey.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: Even though he should, that's like part of the whole character arc.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the boys on Amazon Prime, check it out.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't think he likes Starlight.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't think it I don't think to Butcher, I don't think it matters what he likes to do.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good yeah.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: Butcher's gonna do what it takes to get the job done.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's not gonna, it's not gonna matter what he likes.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because what he's what he didn't know he brought every yeah, anyone he needed, they came.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but but honestly, so I think he would bring either Starlight or Frenchie.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because Frenchie's I was I was thinking Frenchie.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: Frenchie is a huge asset.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: Huge! Like the dude's a fucking genius at at knocking out like he remember what was what did he put in was it like pheromones or something?
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: Was did he grind up like he did pheromones for the one he did the uh the the power, yeah.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: The the then he did the power negating uh RPG for Stormfront.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: That didn't go super well.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, but not because of Frenchie, just because you know they beat him to the punch.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they should be prepared more often.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: Frenchie is not super prepared.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_02: So Starlight is is way more prepared.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: So well, so Butcher would use Starlight just as a weapon.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he'd use her as a weapon, a very effective weapon.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_02: But Starlight might uh have a conscience about it, which uh a lot of a lot of Butcher's story is about him trying to use other people and other people then not doing what what he wants them to.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: But they do in the end.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_02: They don't always, though.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: They don't, but Butcher's goals are always realized.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um maybe that's what he wants.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't think his goals are always realized.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't so so yeah, a big warning, everyone.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: We got spoilers here.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: Cover your ears.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know why you haven't watched the show yet, but cover your ears.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so he spends everything trying to get his wife back, and she gets fucked up.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_02: She dies.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: And uh and then he's stuck with a kid he didn't want.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, the him and the kid go several ways.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: The uh remember the CIA handler, the retired one, she takes the boy.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so like um so I don't know.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: So what was it's either Starlight or Frenchie?
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: We gotta we so we know that Mandalorian is taking his partner, um, whose name at the moment escapes us.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_02: We should have been looking that up this whole time.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so high right now.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: I can't even these things happen.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um so we know that he's taking her.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Who is Billy the Butcher taking?
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Does he trust Frenchie?
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that's one of the main themes of it, is that they will eventually Kara Dune is the name of the Mandalorian's partner.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: Kara Dune.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so there we go.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: We got that figured out.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: So he knows he's going up against honestly, at the end of the day, he's going up against two guys with guns.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, two people with guns.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, two people with guns.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: But they also got like jet, they have future guns.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: They got good guns, but their future guns are the equivalent of a superpower.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's a superpower.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: It may not be it doesn't it doesn't make sense.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: I've never seen anything in the Star Wars universe outside of like milit like uh vehicle mounted weaponry that is really not comparable to a 50 caliber caliber sniper rifle.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: His plasma cannon disintegrates people.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: That is true.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: So well, he treated like a superpower then, so he knows he's going against soup.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: So Billy would bring Starlight?
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think Billy would bring it up.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: Or would he bring um Frenchie's uh partner, Frenchie, the uh what's her name?
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: They call her, I think she's called the woman.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh why would he bring her?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Because she him the the two, especially by the end of the the next season, the two of them were closer.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, as close as you can be as well.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you're talking about Kimiko.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's her name, Kimiko, yeah.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: I remember in like season one and two, she was just like the woman or something like that.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, her name's Kimiko.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Kimiko.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: And uh she uh she's also the voice of Kipo on Kipo in the Age of Wonder Beast.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, what a great show when I'm high.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: If you if you love to get high, watch Kipo.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: What a crazy fucking show.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_02: So who's he bringing?
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: Who's he bringing?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: He's bringing Starlight.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: Starlight?
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: I think he's bringing Starlight because Frenchie would like cons he would construct like a net thrower.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: Which would work against the Mandalorian.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, if you if you place a brick behind the Mandalorian, he's gonna trip over it.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they could just do the thing where uh Frenchie gets on all fours behind the Mandalorian and Billy just pushes him.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well No, that's that's that's you know, that's exaggeration, but everyone does it.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think he would need the fact that Starlight could take a direct hit from that plasma thing.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and possibly be a little bit.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well then so how would this play out?
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: So you have the Mandalorian and Car Dune are just gonna roll in.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: Not once have I seen them use a fucking tactic.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: Well, okay, so they did in the Imperial Walker episode, they got it to walk into one.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's just because well, I again I can't comment on the story.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: I I was about to say that's just because they were ripping off a samurai movie.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_02: Uh or a western, yeah, which are which are it interrelated very closely.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: That is true.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: Westerns were ripped off from samurai movies.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but uh like the one where they take on that walker, I've seen that western.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's when the bag the bandits got an elephant.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: That's the same strategy.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's the same strategy when there's a wild west elephant fight.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: We've seen it a thousand times.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_02: Remember the John Wayne film where he goes against the elephants?
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: We've seen it a thousand times.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: John Wayne versus the Persian Empire.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: I remember that now.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so well, how would it be so but Billy uses tactics every time he gets out of bed?
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: He he is a fucking failure, and Huey saves him a lot, and Huey's not there.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: But also, Starlight's got superpowers.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, honestly, I think at that point it just becomes a fight between Starlight and the two people with guns.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and Billy's got a 50 cal, which he's really good with.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's Billy.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's Starlight is superpowered.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: As soon as he's gonna he's bring he's gonna bring Starlight.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: And if he brought Frenchie, even if you brought it up, I think I think if he brought Frenchie, they might still win.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_02: It it is true that the Mandalorian gets his shit kicked in frequently.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_02: Constantly.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: Constantly.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: They swap wounds for character development.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_02: So the world is literally beating him down.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I mean, I say that would turn into like so if you brought Frenchie, I think it would turn into like Billy and Frenchie win 90 times out of a hundred, you know.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: So even if he brought Frenchie, but we're saying he's gonna bring Starlight because why the fuck wouldn't he?
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's gonna, and at that point they're gonna win 99 times out of a hundred.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Starlight is a superhero, and the Mandalorian is a man with armor and uh armor and future weapons.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, see, and I'd like to bring this up, and I think it's about time someone said it.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: Boba Fett.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: All he did was fall to his death.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's all we ever saw.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but he was uh he was mysterious.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: So but I think helmets are helmets, helmets and mystery are fun.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: They're just helmet enthusiasts.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: Also, I'm thinking that uh Mandalorian, why there's no more Mandalorians, is a genetic disposition to get your shit kicked in.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: You're eventually gonna fall over something.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna look like a stooge.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I did feel like the Mandalorian was a stooge a a few times.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_02: More than once.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: He gets like the way they would show him being tossed around by things made me just be like, wow, I'm really is this am I supposed to be taking this seriously?
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: I enjoy the show.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_02: I actually enjoy the show.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so like nine episodes out of ten, he's getting just hucked around.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: He's getting he's getting thrown around so often.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: And someone saves him, but then all of a sudden, in that mercenary episode where it's the three mercenaries going up against the Mandalorian, uh-huh, they tried to make us feel like he's some god of combat when all they've done before that is show us no, he is not.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they you know it's it's hard to have a good opinion of him because I do not think the writers at The Mandalorian have a great opinion of him.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think I I think that that's what it is.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: The writers hate the Mandalorian.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know why.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_02: You can you know your guy can be cannot get he gets literally thrown like 30 feet in every episode.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: No, you can give your character things to overcome without just kicking his ass physically.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's possible without him flying comically every time it's so comic.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's hilarious.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's kind they comically throw him through the air, and it's hard to when I'm laughing at him, it's hard to be like this guy's so bit.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: He's such a klutz.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's so funny.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think we've learned so Mandalorians are extinct, going on extinction because one fell into a reactor.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's a genetic disorder.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: One tripped under a bus.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's an ideological problem, is what it is.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: They just they they final destination themselves to death.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so round three goes to Billy the Butcher.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: So round one, Billy the Butcher.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: Round two, the Mandalorian.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: And round three goes to Billy the Butcher, giving Billy our two to three win.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: Billy the Butcher takes it home.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: So congratulations, Billy, for those of you at home listening.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_02: Way to go, Bill.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: We'll send you your uh your award in the mail.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you'll get that anytime.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: Just keep checking the mail.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: Just keep checking your box.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: I've tried to get in contact with Carl Urban several times, and he won't return any of my calls.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to get a hold of.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's he's counting all that Judge Dredd money.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: Man, I'm so happy for him.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so happy he landed the boys this wildly popular.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: Finally, like he's like finally getting his due.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, he's been he's always he's been popular.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: He has a lot of fans.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: But he has like that underground, dedicated fan base.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: But this is hugely popular.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_02: Congratulations, sir.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: So good for you, Carl Urban.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: He seems like a great guy.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so uh big shout out to Carl Urban.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: Big shout out to uh Virginia.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thank you guys for listening, Carl.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: If that's you, we see you, buddy.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_02: You can just call me back.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: You can call us back.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to listen to the podcast, but I really appreciate it.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_02: I know they're talking about me.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh well, there it is, folks.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, that's our high and dry.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Ryan Barron North.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: That was James Crosslin.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we'll see you next week where uh we haven't decided what we're gonna do yet.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: James, final thoughts.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I can't wait to think about what we're gonna do next.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: All right, everybody.
• 42:08
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• 42:12
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• 42:13
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