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"She Needs a Hearse": Mom Accused of Killing Daughter To “Protect Her” From Elon Musk · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: So at eight a m. On a quiet Thursday morning,
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this was March twenty six, a mother in the really
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quiet suburban town of Turtle, Wisconsin. She picks up her phone,
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but she doesn't dial nine to one.
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Speaker 2: One, which is the first massive red flag exactly.
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Speaker 1: She dialed the local non emergency line for the Rock
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County Communications Center and for thirteen just agonizingly long minutes,
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with this totally calm, detached demeanor. She sounded like someone
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arranging to have a broken appliance hauled away. You know, yeah,
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just completely flat, right, completely flat. Forty one year old
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Tyson Inski explains to a dispatcher that she had murdered
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her fourteen year old daughter, kurin the night before.
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Speaker 2: It's just it's a chilling detail that really sets the
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stage for everything we're looking at today.
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Speaker 1: It really does. And today our mission is to do
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a deep dive into the report from Yahoo Nears called
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the Delusion of Protection the Current Rain tragedy, and.
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Speaker 2: We really need to look at this not just as
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a true crime story, but as a critical look at
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the fragility of the human mind.
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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, definitely, because we are diving into a
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case where the human mind completely shatters. We're analyzing this
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horrific intersection of extreme neurochemical crisis, multigenerational family dynamics, and
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a delusion so deply tied to our modern digital culture
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that it weaponized a mother against her own child.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, the systemic failures here are just glaring.
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Speaker 1: They really are, so for everyone listening, We're going to
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break this down step by step. Okay, let's unpack this
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because the initial details of that phone call they challenge
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every single assumption we hold about human nature and while
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maternal instinct, really they do.
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Speaker 2: When we look at this, like I said, as a
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clinical study of severe psychological fracturing, the choice of the
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non emergency line is just a glaring indicator of where
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her brain was at.
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Speaker 1: Because it's not a panic response.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, it strips the entire event of the urgency we
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biologically associate with life and death scenarios. There are no
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sirens in the background of this call. There's no frantic
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screaming for help, nothing like that. No, there's just this bureaucratic,
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almost polite exchange of information regarding a fatality. It's profoundly disturbing, and.
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Speaker 1: The specific request she makes during those thirteen minutes are
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just baffling. I mean, she asks for an ambulance for herself, right,
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because she's detailing her own really severe self inflicted wounds.
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Speaker 2: Right, she'd injured herself pretty extensively.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then after asking for the ambulance for herself,
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she requests a hearse for her child.
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Speaker 2: Just explicitly asking for ahearse. Yes.
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Speaker 1: And the quote from the dispatch transcript, the one that
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I literally cannot get out of my head, is when
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she says to the dispatcher, she says, she's dead, honey,
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she needs a hearse. It's just horrifying, it is you
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hear a phrase like that, and like the sheer terror
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is actually in the lack of terror in her voice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. What's fascinating here is how we are observing the
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brain functioning as this pure, albeit totally malfunctioning survival.
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Speaker 1: Mechanism under the weight of a psychotic Breakum.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, Yeah, absolute psychotic break. The reality of her actions
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harming her own child is so entirely incompatible with a
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functioning human psyche that the brain it initiates a profound
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state of dissociation. It just cuts the core, it does.
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It severs the emotional processing center from the cognitive logistical
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processing center entirely.
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Speaker 1: So you're saying the brain intentionally builds a firewall, like
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the logic center realizes, Okay, a body needs to be
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moved and medical transport is required for my own injuries,
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but the emotional center is essentially just unplugged to prevent
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an immediate psychological collapse.
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Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it. Yeah, it's a
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complete bifurcation of reality. Wow, in a state of severe
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chemical and psychological psychosis like she was in, she can
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articulate the logistical facts because she has been neurologically severed
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for the emotional horror of those facts.
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Speaker 1: So the grease is just gone.
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Speaker 2: The grief, the panic, the realization of the atrocity, they're
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all locked away behind that firewall. She is communicating from
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a place of sheer, cold logistics.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this further because that clinical, detached tone
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on the phone stands in this jarring just horrific contrast
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to the physical reality officers found when they finally arrived
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at the house on East Gorton Street.
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Speaker 2: Right, the scene itself was a nightmare.
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Speaker 1: It was, and I really want to make sure we
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send her this on the victim current rain because her
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life is the one that was violently stolen here.
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Speaker 2: And understanding who she was, I think brings the devastating
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reality of this loss into focus for everyone listening.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so. Kurin was a fourteen year old freshman
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at Beloit Memorial High School and the community described her
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as this incredibly bright spirit, just a sweet, happy teenager.
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Speaker 2: She had her whole life ahead of her, she really did.
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Speaker 1: She was a deeply loved sister, a niece, just navigating
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her freshman year, you know. And officers walk into this
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completely normal suburban home to find her face down in
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a massive pool of blood.
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Speaker 2: On the floor of a four season four yeah, a.
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Speaker 1: Porch that had been converted into her bedroom. And the
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reporting details multiple stab wounds to the right side of
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her neck and her right wrist.
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Speaker 2: And this was inflicted with a pocket knife.
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Speaker 1: Right, a black pocket knife that they found nearby with
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an empty leather sheath. But the detail that completely stops
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you cold when you read the report is the absence
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of any defensive wounds whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: Which is very telling. Forensically, Yeah, she.
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Speaker 1: Was positioned with her feet toward the door, her arms
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just tucked under her head.
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Speaker 2: It paints a forensic picture of a victim who was
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entirely at rest. It was an attack of utter vulnerability.
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She was likely completely asleep.
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Speaker 1: But wait, I have to challenge the mechanics of this,
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because I imagine you listening right now are wondering the
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exact same thing I am. This was a multi generational.
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Speaker 2: Home, right Her grandfather lived there.
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Speaker 1: Yes, tys Oninski's father, so Kieran's grandfather. He owned the
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house and he lived there with them. He woke up
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the next morning, assuming Kuran was at school. He had
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no idea, completely oblivious to the carnage that had unfolded
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literally just down the hall. I struggle to accept that
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a fatal stabbing followed by a violent, bloody suicide attempt
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by the mother, you know where she's cutting her own
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neck and wrists happens in total silence.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to wrap your head around.
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Speaker 1: Are we really saying the grandfather didn't hear a struggle
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just because it doesn't look like a movie.
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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, I know it sounds counterintuitive, especially
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when we are so conditioned by television to associate violence
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with shattered glass and screaming in loud struggles.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, you expect noise.
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Speaker 2: But the grim forensic reality of an attack directed immediately
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at the vital structures of the neck, particularly on a
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sleeping victim, is that it compromises the airway instantaneously.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, so she physically couldn't.
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Speaker 2: Make a sound exactly If the trachia or the major
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vocal structures are severed, or if massive hypovlamic shock, which
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is severe blood loss sets in within seconds, the physiological
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ability to make noise is just eliminated.
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Speaker 1: That is terrifying.
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Speaker 2: The silence is a product of the sudden catastrophe trauma.
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There is no struggle because the body is immediately shut down.
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Speaker 1: That makes the reality of the crime so much darker
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than I even realized. But it also forces us to
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look at the environment itself. You know, multi generational homes
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are traditionally these incredible safety nuts.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, they're supposed to be protective.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are more adults in the house, more eyes
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on the child, more financial and emotional support. How does
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a crisis of this magnitude brew in a house with
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other adults without someone pulling the fire alarm.
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Speaker 2: It's a great question, and this raises an important point
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about the psychological blind spots we develop with the people
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we love most.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by blind spots.
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Speaker 2: Well, proximity does not always equal clarity. When you live
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with someone, you are exposed to their behavior every single day.
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If they begin a slow psychological descent, you know, withdrawing,
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speaking erratically, losing sleep, the changes are incremental.
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Speaker 1: So they don't notice the big shifts because it happens
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in tiny steps.
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Speaker 2: Right. A grandfather watching his daughter or struggle might rationalize
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it as, Oh, she's just dealing with stress, she's exhausted.
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It's just a difficult phase.
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Speaker 1: Because jumping to the conclusion that your daughter is experiencing
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a violent psychotic break is a psychological leap. Literally, no
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parent wants to make.
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Speaker 2: The human mind naturally protects itself from the worst case scenario.
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Families absorb and normalize erratic behavior to maintain the equilibrium
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of the household.
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Speaker 1: So they're almost enabling it without realizing it.
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Speaker 2: They inadvertently provide cover. Yes. By the time the internal
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pressure violently boils over into an event like this, the
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warning signs have been rationalized away for months. To the family,
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the explosion appears to happen in a vacuum.
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Speaker 1: Even though there were probably red flags everywhere exactly, So
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we have this impossibly tragic physical scene and a forensic
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explanation for the silence. But the question that investigators had
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to answer next was why why did this happen?
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Speaker 2: And the motive she gives is where the case takes
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a very strange turn.
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Speaker 1: Yes, when they asked Tysoninski for a motive, the rationale
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she provided shifts this story from a devastating local tragedy
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into something just deeply bizarre. It pulls in the massive,
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distorted influence of modern digital culture.
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Speaker 2: The architecture of her delusion is really the core of
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this entire.
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Speaker 1: Investigation, right because on that non emergency call and then
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repeatedly later in the hospital, she stated very clearly that
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she killed her daughter to protect her from somebody else. Period.
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Speaker 2: That was her exact quote, and.
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Speaker 1: The specific ultimate threat she named was Elon Musk, which
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is just it's stunning, It makes no sense. Investigators tore
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into our background and found zero personal connection, zero communication,
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absolutely nothing linking a forty one year old mother in Turtle,
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Wisconsin to a global tech billionaire.
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Speaker 2: But the total absence of a real world connection is
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actually the defining characteristic of this type of psychotic fixation.
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Speaker 1: Wait, really, the less connection, the more.
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Speaker 2: Common it is in severe delusions. Yes, and it wasn't
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just a fleeting thought.
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Speaker 1: For no, it wasn't. While she was hospitalized for her
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own severe neck and chest wounds, she enthusiastically asked a
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deputy like she was excited if her name was quote
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like all over the news.
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Speaker 2: Yet the vanity in that moment is so misplaced.
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Speaker 1: And the report specifically notes her palpable disappointment when they
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told her it wasn't on the news. To understand how
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someone bridges the gap from seeing a public figure on
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a screen to believing they are an imminent physical threat
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to their sleeping child, I just keep coming back to
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how we treat extreme fame today.
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Speaker 2: How do you mean?
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Speaker 1: Well, think about antiquity, right? Humanity projected all their unexplainable fears,
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their paranoia, and their need for a grand narrating onto
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the Greek gods Zeus, Apollo, Hades.
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Speaker 2: Write these massive, untouchable figures exactly.
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Speaker 1: They were omnipresent but unreachable, And today our screens are
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are Mount Olympus. These celebrities are everywhere, but we don't
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actually know them.
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Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture of psychiatric evolution.
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You've hit on a exactly how delusions adapt to the
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cultural zeitgeist.
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Speaker 1: They change with the times they do.
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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is we are looking at a severe
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celebrity delusion heavily laced with paranoia. Decades ago, a mind
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in the midst of a psychotic break might develop a
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fixation on a local news anchor or a community politician, like.
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Speaker 1: Believing the radio host is talking directly to.
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Speaker 2: Them, exactly believing secret messages were being broadcast through the radio.
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The paranoia was constrained by the physical limits of local.
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Speaker 1: Media, but today algorithmic saturation ensures that certain figures are inescapable.
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You can't log onto the Internet without seeing Elon Musk's
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face or name.
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Speaker 2: We exist in an ecosystem where mega celebrities and controversial
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billionaires are woven into the daily fabric of our digital
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and physical conversations. They are highly visible.
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Speaker 1: Avatars, so they just become targets for unstable minds.
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Speaker 2: Precisely for a mind experiencing a catastrophic breakdown in reality testing,
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a universally recognizable figure becomes an empty vessel. The brain
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takes all of its free floating localized anxiety, its internal terror,
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and its need to make sense for a chemical crisis,
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and it just pours that terror into the most prominent
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figure available.
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Speaker 1: So Elon Musk wasn't targeted because of his actual actions
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or anything he did. He was drafted into her psychological
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collapse simply because he takes up so much real estate
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in the collective consciousness.
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Speaker 2: He became the antagonist in her internal mythology, and her
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question to the deputy asking if she was on the
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news that reviews the agonizing depth of that mythology. Oh so,
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in her altered reality, she hadn't committed a murder. She
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had performed a grand heroic act of defiance against a
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global titan. She was protecting her daughter from the ultimate villain.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, so she expected the world to recognize her sacrifice.
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Speaker 2: Yes, the disappointment she felt isn't just vanity. It's the
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jarring friction of her delusional reality scraping against actual reality.
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She expects a parade and instead she's in a hospital bed,
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in police custody.
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Speaker 1: But a delusion even when this grand doesn't usually operate
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in a vacuum, right, I mean, people hold bizarre, unfounded
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beliefs without weaponizing them all the time.
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Speaker 2: That's a crucial distinction.
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Speaker 1: Yes, to understand how this specific delusion accelerated into an
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unprovoked fatal attack, we have to look at the exact
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neurochemical state of her brain that night, because it wasn't
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just a psychological issue, it was heavily chemical.
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Speaker 2: We absolutely have to move from the abstract psychology to
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the hard biological evidence.
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Speaker 1: Here, and the toxicology reports from the hospital are just
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a terrifying map of a chemical catastrophe. The screening revealed
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three distinct substances in Oninsky's system.
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Speaker 2: A really dangerous combination.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. She had benzodiazepines, which are depressants typically used for anxiety.
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She had amphetamines, which are powerful central nervous system stimulants,
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and she had THHC cannabis.
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Speaker 2: That combination is a pharmacological nightmare for anyone, but particularly
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for someone with underlying psychiatric vulnerability.
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Speaker 1: It's like pouring gasoline on a fire. And the source
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material connects this chemical state to a very specific chilling
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concept in criminology, which is called altruistic philicide. Altruistic philicide,
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it's the phenomenon where a parent kills a child under
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the deeply held delusional belief that they are actually sparing
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the child from a fate worse than death. Yes, the
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report explicitly draws parallels to historical cases like Andrea Yates,
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and for anyone listening who remembers that case from the
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early two thousands, it's just heartbreaking.
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Speaker 2: The Yates case is the tragic gold standard for understanding
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altruistic philicide. In both instances, you see the hallmark patterns
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severe isolation, a slow deterioration of untreated mental illness, and
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a profound distortion of the maternal instinct.
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Speaker 1: The drive to protect gets completely flipped.
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Speaker 2: The parental drive to protect is hijacked by a psychotic narrative,
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leading to the horrific logic that death is a safer
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alternative to whatever the delusion is conjured up. In Yates's case,
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it was damnation. In Ninsky's case, it was Elon Musk.
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Speaker 1: I want to push back on the concept of culpability here, though,
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because this is where the science and the law violently collide.
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Speaker 2: It's a very messy intersection.
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Speaker 1: If a person's brain is effectively hijacked by a volatile
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cocktail of stimulants, depressants, and psychoactives acting upon a pre
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existing vulnerability. Where is the line between a chemical accident
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and intentional homicide? Is she actually responsible if her brain
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is broken?
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Speaker 2: To navigate that, we really need to break down the
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terrifying synergy of those three specific drugs and how they
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completely dismantle the brain's fail safe.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's do it, walk me through it.
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Speaker 2: Let's start with the amphetamines as central nervous system stimulants.
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They fled the brain with dopamine and nora pinaphren Beyond
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just providing energy, excessive dopamine radically hypercharges the brain's pattern recognition.
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Speaker 1: Software, meaning the brain starts connecting dots that aren't there exactly.
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Speaker 2: It creates profound meaning out of entirely random stimuli. This
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is the biological engine of paranoia. A glance from a stranger,
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a glitch on a television screen, a random news headline.
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The amphetamines force the brain to perceive these as connected
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menacing events directed specifically at the user.
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Speaker 1: So the stimulant is aggressively building the conspiracy theory. It's
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the engine. But what happens when you introduce the THHC
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into that hypervigilant environment?
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Speaker 2: Cannabis especially the modern strains with very high THHC concentrations,
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heavily alters spatial and temporal perception.
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Speaker 1: It changes how you experience time and space.
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Speaker 2: Right, But more importantly for this case, it carries well
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documented risks of inducing or severely exacerbating psychosis, hallucinations, and
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paranoid ideation in vulnerable individuals.
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Speaker 1: So the amphetamines are building the false connections and the
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THHC is warping reality.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so now you have a brain aggressively connecting false
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dots and the THHC distorts the very lens through which
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that reality is being perceived.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so the brain is wired, it's paranoid, and it's hallucinating.
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But then there are the benzodiazepines. Those are downers, don't
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They act as a chemical brake pedal and calm the
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whole system down. I mean, that's what they're prescribed for.
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Speaker 2: That is the fatal misconception right there. Benzodiazepines depress the
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central nervous system by enhancing the neurotransmitter GABA. While this
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does lower physical anxiety, it also profoundly depresses the frontal lobe.
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Speaker 1: Remind me what the frontal lobe does.
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Speaker 2: It's the region of the brain responsible for executive function,
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impulse control, and rational decision making. It's the part of
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the brain that says, hey, this is a bad idea.
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Speaker 1: Oh wow. So the benzos don't stop the crazy thoughts,
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They just remove the barrier to acting on them.
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Speaker 2: They dismantled the psychological safety net entirely. We all have
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fleeting irrational thoughts, but our intact frontal lobes filter them out.
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We don't act on them.
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Speaker 1: But her filter was gone.
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Speaker 2: In this chemical state, the amphetamines are slamming the accelerator
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on paranoid pattern recognition, the THC is warping the environment
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like a funhouse mirror, and the benzodiazepines have completely disconnected
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the brakes.
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Speaker 1: It creates the perfect storm.
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Speaker 2: It really does. Yes, the delusion that a tech billionaire
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is coming for her daughter feels as physically real to
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her as gravity, and because her impulse controls obliterated by
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the benzos, the horrific logic of altruistic philicide becomes an actionable,
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immediate plan.
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Speaker 1: That detailed breakdown of the neurochemistry makes the impending legal
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battle so much more complex than just a sensational headline,
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Because how do you prosecute a chemical storm.
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Speaker 2: It's incredibly difficult, and that brings us to where this
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tragedy currently stands in the justice system.
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Speaker 1: Right. So, as of May twenty twenty six, Tayie Saninski
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is being held on a one million dollar cash bond.
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She has entered a plea of not guilty, and trial
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preparations are slated for the summer of twenty twenty six
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for first degree intentional homicide.
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Speaker 2: And we should note that in the state of Wisconsin,
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that charge carries a mandatory life sentence.
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Speaker 1: The stakes are absolute a life sentence, and the legal
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strategies we are seeing take shape highlight the immense difficulty
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of prosecuting crimes rooted in complex psychosis.
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Speaker 2: Because you have to prove intense exactly.
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Speaker 1: Her public defender, Matt Landa, he made a very specific
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argument during the early hearings to manage bail and honestly
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probably public perception too.
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Speaker 2: I was his angle.
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Speaker 1: He argued that the risk was entirely quote localized to
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Oninski and kren localize.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Essentially, he's telling the court that she poses no broader
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threat to society at large because the violence was contained
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within this specific delusional framework about her daughter, like she's
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not going to go out and harm a random person
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on the street.
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Speaker 2: It's a strategic move to secure a lower bond, certainly,
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but it also lays the groundwork for a diminished capacity
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or an insanity defense.
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Speaker 1: How does that help an insanity defense?
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Speaker 2: He is establishing early on that her actions were not
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driven by general malice or propensity for criminal violence. They
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were driven by a highly specific, localized break from reality.
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He's saying the crime and the delusion are inextricably linked.
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Speaker 1: But the prosecution is not letting that narrative s stand right.
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They countered by focusing on the physical mechanics of the
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crime itself. They argue that the unprovoked, horrific nature of
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killing a sleeping child demands maximum security.
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Speaker 2: Which is a very strong argument for the state.
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Speaker 1: You can see the battle lines for the trial clearly forming.
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The defense will undoubtedly lean heavily on the toxicology reports,
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those bizarre statements to dispatch about the hearse and her
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history of mental health. Struggles to argue that she could
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not form the necessary intent or men's rehea for first
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degree intentional homicide.
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Speaker 2: Well, the prosecution will point directly to the premeditation.
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Speaker 1: Right because she did plan it.
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Speaker 2: They will highlight that she waited until nightfall, she procured
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a specific weapon, taking the knife out of the sheath,
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she executed the attack with lethal precision, targeting vital areas,
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and she possessed that cognitive clarity to call a non
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emergency line and arrange logistics.
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Speaker 1: She knew enough not to call nine to one one exactly.
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Speaker 2: The prosecution will argue that her cognitive awareness of the
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physical act supersedes the delusional motive behind it. She knew
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she was ending a life, even if a reason for
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doing so was delusional.
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Speaker 1: Just imagine you were sitting on that jury. You're going
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to have toxicologists and forensic psychologists taking the stand attempting
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to translate the absolute madness of dopamine flooding and Gabba
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receptor depression into stark, binary legal terms.
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Speaker 2: And the legal system is not built for nuance.
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Speaker 1: It's not the justice system demands a verdict of guilty
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or not guilty, sane or insane, But the human mind
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in crisis operates entirely in chaotic shades of gray.
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Speaker 2: The burden on the expert witnesses is going to be monumental.
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They have to explain to lay people on a jury.
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How a mother can methodically plan a fatal act while
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being entirely divorced from reality.
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Speaker 1: It feels like a paradox.
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Speaker 2: The law struggles immensely to accommodate the paradox of altruistic silicide,
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the idea that an act of ultimate destruction was committed
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out of a distorted sense of ultimate protection. It just
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doesn't fit neatly into criminal statutes.
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Speaker 1: While the legal system wrestles with the nuances of neurochemistry.
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The source report levels a very sharp critique at how
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the media has handled the case.
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Speaker 2: So far, which is a really important meta conversation to
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have here.
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Speaker 1: Definitely, there is a profound risk that the sensationalism of
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the Elon must angle is completely overshadowing the actual human tragedy.
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Speaker 2: The global news cycle is a machine that runs on engagement,
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and a name like Musk provides infinite fuel for that machine.
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Speaker 1: It speaks volumes about our true crime obsessed culture, doesn't it.
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We consume these stories as entertainment, skimming the headlines about
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a billionaire named in a murder case, and we just
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forget that at the center of this is a sudden
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eruption of violence. In a quiet, multi generational home.
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Speaker 2: A family was destroyed.
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Speaker 1: And the report notes there were no prior public abuse reports. Nothing.
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It's a terrifying reminder that the walls meant to protect
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us can sometimes silently trap us in a crisis we
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don't even understand until it's too late.
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Speaker 2: When a highly localized, intimate family tragedy collides with the
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relentless machinery of digital media, the victim is almost always marginalized.
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Speaker 1: They become a footnote in their own murder exactly.
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Speaker 2: Our focus is pulled toward the bizarre motive and the
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famous name, rather than the systemic failures that allowed a
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vulnerable individual to reach a breaking point without any intervention.
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Speaker 1: As the legal gears grind slowly over the coming months,
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we have to consciously pull our focus away from the sensationalism.
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We have to center this back on the life that
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was lost.
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Speaker 2: Kieran's memory deserves that focus. We owe her that we do.
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Speaker 1: Kurran Rain was fourteen years old. She was a bright spirit.
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She leaves behind a devastated brother, a grieving grandfather who
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has to wake up every single day in that home
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where it happened, and an entire community in the bloyd
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area that is just forever altered.
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Speaker 2: The ripple effects of this are massive.
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Speaker 1: The GoFundMe established for her funeral expenses really captures the raw,
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collective grief of a community trying desperately to make sense
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of the senseless. Her life had immense value, entirely independent
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of the bizarre illusion that ended it.
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Speaker 2: The fatal overlap of untreated mental illness, complex substance abuse,
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and digital age delusions is a stark cautionary tale. But
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it must not become her only legacy.
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Speaker 1: No, it shouldn't. And you know the reason we do
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a deep dive into material this heavy, why we ask
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you to sit with this discomfort, is because it demands
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a change in our perspective.
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Speaker 2: It forces us to look in the mirror.
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Speaker 1: It proves that severe mental health crises do not always
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manifest as loud, cinematic breakdowns in the street. They can
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brew quietly down the hall. They can hide behind a
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locked bedroom door or a mother's rationalized exhaustion.
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Speaker 2: We can't ignore the quiet signs anymore.
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Speaker 1: This case is a demand for all of us to
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be hypervigilant. It is a call for routine mental health screenings,
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for demanding easier access to psychiatric care and for aggressively
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destigmatizing mental health support within our own families.
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Speaker 2: We cannot rely on the assumption that an absence of
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screaming equals an absence of crisis silence can be just
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as deadly.
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Speaker 1: We started this conversation talking about the comfort of a
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clean diagnosis. We want the world to be binary, like
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a broken bone on an X ray. It's broken or
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it's not.
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Speaker 2: But the mind isn't like that.
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Speaker 1: But the human mind in crisis leaves no clean lines.
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It leaves us with a terrifying, murky complexity that forces
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us to look closer, to ask harder questions of the
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people we love, and to intervene before a hidden fracture
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becomes a fatal break.
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Speaker 2: This tragedy leaves us with a final vital question to consider,
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long after we finish analyzing the facts today.
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Speaker 1: What's that?
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Speaker 2: Well, we've explored how a hyper connected, media saturated world
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can inadvertently supply the towering villains for a mind descending
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into paranoia. Right, yeah, If our digital ecosystem provides the
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raw material for these lethal delusions, what responsibility do we
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bear as a society to protect the most mentally vulnerable
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among us from the very same digital landscape we all
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participate in and profit from every single day.
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Speaker 1: That is something to really think about.