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Episode 35 SummerSlam 2023 Post Review · Podcast Championship Wrestling

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If you want to know where you're doing, first, you need to know
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where you've been. Eighty eight The Garden had the big Apple bumble. These
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old school legers, man, they kicked Summer Slam in the high years.
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You're talking gritty, let's talk ninety five. It's still city temperatures accelerate all
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new rights. Two thousand and thirteen had superstars tearing through tencil Town. Did
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you see him? Tonight? We make history and our city Odor City at
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SummerSlam. I in this this guy wants a match with me so he can't
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go viral. The family civil war, that's just for taking up a notch.
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This is tribal combat now. That means anything goes. It ain't all
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pistons and parties in the three one three, nothing comes free. About time
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to top all from cranked up and horse follows. I'm going to all those
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and it's going to be for the WWE Women Champion and ship. It is
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about the whole child, good court. Let's right, ladies and gentlemen,
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Welcome to the Least requested, least demanded, and the Least downloaded Wrestling Podcast
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bc W. This could be a long podcast, so strapping and shut up
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and don't be a little bit about it. This is a master question.
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Oh ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, churnle in all age. Just
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welcome to another episode of Podcast Championship Wrestling pc W. I am your host
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Wayne. You also may know mas Semi Dry Chicken and people. We have
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to wrap up the hottest pay per view of the summer Summer Slam. Over
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fifteen nine thousand, one hundred and ninety four people attended Summer Slam as a
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hell of a lot. But you know what, Yeah, two co hosts,
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so let's bring them on. Oh that was a hot one, Dray
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and welcome back. You you what a do pc W crew right on her
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third ghost Oil. Oh it's me, It's me. It's the d I
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L E. And it's Monday night. You know what that means. It
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means we're having a hurricane. It's right, a hurricane here on the East
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side. I think it just passed me like it's better. I'm in the
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eye of it. I can't tell. Uh, I don't know what the
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weather's like. Where trays had lovely funny warming that great. Yeah, tonight
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we'll be reviewing Summer Slam from this year. We did the Predictions episode.
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Now we're gonna do the post talk about all the fun things that happened in
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this four plus hour pay per view. Holy hell, four hours and ten
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minutes. It was a hell a long pay per view. I just watched
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Wrestle Many four the other day and that was a four a little over four
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hours. I don't think I've had a long It feels like it hasn't been
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a long summer slim in a while. Uh. But yeah, this weekend
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when I was playing SummerSlam, I decided to do something a little different and
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I decided to put it outside, have the fire pick going, and put
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it up on the projector screen. There's probably the best way I've gone about
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watching the pay per view. And I would say, like maybe like the
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worst version about or worst version of me watching the pay per view. It's
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probably like on a tablet. Uh. You know, I don't think it's
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saying worse than that watching on like but this is back before the network watching
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it on like streaming channels, you could find it before you got found and
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shut down. There are worse ways to watch a pay per view per view.
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That's how I usually end up watching it. This is one of the
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rare ones where I actually got to watch it at home live. I'm usually
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usually watching on my phone at work, so I got like, you know,
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silly employees bothering me, like, yeah, what would you say,
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it's probably I've been watching watching a second time. What would you say was
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your worst way of watching a pay per view? Oh, if anybody of
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a certain age, I can remember back in the days of old cable television
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turned into the scramble channel where you couldn't see shitt where you might get a
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full image from maybe a fraction of a second and maybe a little bit of
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audio, and that was that's how you watched quote unquote a pay per view.
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Yeah, yeah, that's how I used to watch old wc W pay
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per views. I think I watched Sting win his first title at the Great
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American Batch nineteen ninety that way, yep, literally just sitting by the TV
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trying to pick up whatever a little bit of sound I can, looking at
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a completely scrambled image. Yeah, that's always Wat's the Playboy channel, I
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remember the Playboy jail a spice channel, yep. Oh man, Yeah,
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that's probably the probably some of the worst ways we've had to go through watching
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them. I don't know if it was like it was, probably Wrestleman.
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I want to say, like twenty one or two money back in the day
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when you had to order it on your cable box. We ordered it a
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few hours ahead of time, but wasn't thinking We ordered it on the smaller
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TV upstairs, thinking that it would go to all the cable boxes and that
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was definitely not true. So we had to you know, it wasn't on
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the big screen TV that was downstairs, and we were like some of the
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bits. We all had to jam into this small ast room to watch WrestleMania.
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That was memorable multiple times. I think I've watched that, like Hooters
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back in the day, like the Ruthless Aggression EIRA, back when they used
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to have pay per views in bars. I don't they think they even did
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it. Oh yeah, yeah, I did that too, yea for like
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late Attitude era, maybe early Ruthless Aggression era. Yep. Going to Hooters,
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me and my homeboys. He used to always go up there every month.
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Cause probably one of the best wrestling big pay per view experiences I had
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was at a Hooters when uh, what was it? No Way Out?
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He said, one of the best experiences I had, I said, I
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bet it was. Yeah. I mean, setting aside the staff, which
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you know, hit and missed depending on what who did you go to.
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But at the time, the one, I mean, what we had was
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decent enough. Wasn't the best one in the area though, But anyway,
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like I said, one of the best experiences was I think it was No
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Way Out two thousand and four. I think it was whichever one it was
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where Eddie Guerrero won the championship off brock Lester. I saw that one at
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Hooters, and the entire restaurant was just lit for that whole match. And
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when fucking Eddie dropped Lessner and got up there and hit that frog splash,
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and a whole restaurant just counted one, two, three, and everybody just
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stood up and started celebrating. That was pretty dope, Eddie. I saw
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the streak diet at Hooters. Uh, you know, out of all places
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see the Undertaker's streak go, it was at Hooters. And I remember,
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like you know, there's definitely a lot of people. I'm sure other people
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have seen it when they're going to have seen it at wrestler bars and stuff,
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But like you've got other people there who aren't into wrestling, but as
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the pay per view progresses, you know, people get a little bit more
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drunk by then the night the main event comes, everybody who's there is into
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it. You know, because when we were watching, you know, brock
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Lessner you know, attempted kick out multiple times, you know, before ending
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the streak. Like when that streak ended, like everybody in the bar was
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quiet. I've also seen Shawn Michael's career and at Hooters and also Rick Flair's
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all at WrestleMania memorable moments, I guess, But yeah, I would say,
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like, you know, now that we can watch wrestling in like four
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K you know, nice HD quality. You know, you younger people take
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it for advantage sometimes, you know, we had to suffer. Pay per
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views were super expensive back then. Y'all don't know the struggle. Don't know
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the struggle before the app, before Peacock picked it up, you know.
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I you know, I was so happy when ww Network was coming as an
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app. I pre ordered that app. I was like, you're telling me
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I don't got to spend sixty five dollars a month, you like, I
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can pay ninety ninety nine, Like okay, you know, Oh that's how
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much it was, wasn't it. They beat us, right, you're like
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your throat given one prices Disney plus our Netflix, you know, Amazon Prime.
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You got to give it to WW as low key as us WW fans.
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Nine ninety nine was pretty fucking good for all this paper ship, all
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the back catalog to though. That's why I used to it was so much
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easier to navigate. Yeah, back on the net when it was the network,
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when it was online or whatever, because this peacock's still a fuck and
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mass trying to find something. If you're looking for like a specific specific thing,
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it could be really fucking hard to find. Yeah, like everything since
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seasons now they're not you know, our episodes. Yeah, I feel like
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the network used to be like, I want to see uh the you know
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what our year it was Jake the Snake or whatever, and you can if
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you tuck that in, you see every Matt every televised match that was available,
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you know. Very true. Oh man, just how how much pay
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per view format has just changed over the years, so much better. Fucking
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young kids have no idea, no idea, that's why you But back in
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the day, that's why I used to appreciate about wc W back in the
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day because every other month they would give you Clash of the Champions, which
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was a pay per view quality of it, except it was totally free on
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network television. Those were the motherfucking days. Those Clash of the Champions were
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great. Huh. So yeah, anyway, Summer Slam. Uh you know
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what, Drey, I'm gonna let you take the wheel of the post pay
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per view breakdown. This is your Is it going to be the captain the
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ship? Sir? Oh boy? Take over? Alright? Well, guess
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said baby. Summer Slam took place this past Saturday from Ford Field in Detroit,
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Michigan, and it appeared to have been a very successful event for WW
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based upon the numbers. They announced recently that that that Summer Slam smashed all
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their revenue records for a non WrestleMania event. It generated about eight point five
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million dollars at the gate, plus another seven million dollars in sponsorships from companies
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like C four, Rocking Mortgage, and Slim Jim and is also one of
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the three highest rated hilly broadcast on Peacock, while also breaking previous records in
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merchandise sales. So basically this thing was an absolute gold mine for the ww
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But I'll might give a damn about done of that ship. We're here to
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talk about the matches, so let's go ahead and hop into the first match
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that took place on the pay per view, which was Cody Code Rose.
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I'm sorry Cody on TV right now. But Logan Paul versus Ricochet, which
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kicked off the pay per view, which for me, it was a It
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was a good kickoff match. Obviously, Ricochet Logan Paul, they both are
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high flyers, are good performers in the ring, and they did a good
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job of getting the crowd hyped up, you know, starting off on a
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high note. I was a bit disappointed to see Logan Paul win, even
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though I kind of figured as much would happen, because you know, dude
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kind of needed a dub and he did a and he really hammed it up
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after he won, like pointing over to uh, Samantha Irwin, who you
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know, props to her for the acting job that she did, you know,
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looking genuinely disappointed that that she had to announce Logan Paul's victory like their's.
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They put out videos of her like as the match was ending, and
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she looked genuinely distraught and upset of having it to announce Logan Paul as the
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winner, like even having a little lip quiver. I was like, Okay,
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props to you, nice little acting job, because you can't be genuinely
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upset that Ricochet lost his match because it ain't like you ain't seeing that before.
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It's funny because it's true, right, So props to her. Yeah.
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But uh, like I said, overall, it was a decent match
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to kick off the show. So why would you think of a match?
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Uh? You know what, Like I kind of wanted to see these two
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guys do do a one on one match for a while. They've done a
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lot of high spots together in the Royal Rumble and Money in the Bank ladder
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matches. Uh, so it was really nice to see these two together just
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one on one. Uh. I think it was a great decision to have
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it kick off the the pay per view. It was you know, you
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got two high flyers, two guys who are gonna bring a lot of energy,
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and you know, like him or not, like I ord, I'm
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Logan Paul brings the energy, the prime energy he was. I looked like
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he was handing out to some people in the crowd. I don't you know
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the match aside? You know, there was no no real boxers or anything.
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A lot of high spots, tons of ddts and her cornhas and high
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spots off of high places, you know, like this is where you're gonna
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get all your your high energy flips for the night and if you want,
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brawlers, were gonna get that laved. But this is where all the high
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flyers where all the energy. But I feel like with Ricochet losing this match,
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was there really any payoff at all? You know, having his girlfriend
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and involved at all, just because she's the re announcer, like what you
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know what I mean? Like, was the payoff worth it? Well,
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I see what you're saying. I think it was just kind of done just
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to put extra heat on Logan Paul, just to really help emphasides of just
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how much of a dick he really is. But given what happened, let
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me pose this question to you, would you do you want to see this
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feud continue past Summer Slam? Would you like to see, like, you
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know, this match continue and maybe we get a part two and Ricochet come
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out on top. Maybe you lead into a rubber match Part three? Just
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would you like to see this feud continue? Honestly? They could, Yeah,
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they could put on a different style match down the road if they wanna
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make this a you know, three match feud. I mean, we're getting
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a nice solid three match feud with Cody and Brock, which we'll talk about
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later. But to get another feud out there that's gonna last a couple of
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pay per views that really is no title involved. You want, you know
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it's gonna keep us interested? Then why not? It might elevate both these
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guys, you know, being able to have a feud because having a one
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off. I really just think it's you know, Logan Paul finally got a
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w I mean it's been I can't remember the last time he had one of
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his against them is I think? So it's much need for him. So
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either way, I'm fine with it either way. Yeah, cool, COOLi
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where are you at on this match? Which you think when little Logan Paul
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make it to Dallas before his brother's boxing match is the most intriguing part of
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the match, that's kind of a problem. Right? Uh? This was
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fine. It was actually good to see Logan Paul doing some basic wrestling moves
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like he's kind of learning how this works. Right, It's not all just
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big high spots with him. So I saw a little progression there that was
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good. Uh, it was probably a little long, I thought a little
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the right guy one. Logan really needed a pay per view win here.
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I enjoy I you know, I really enjoyed him taunting Samantha Irvin. You
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mentioned the lip quiver like so, and you asked, would you want to
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see this continue? Uh? If she's involved, maybe that might be kind
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of fun. Uh, you know, if they had another match and you
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know, Logan wins gets to take her on a date or something, you
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know, and you can kind of run that angle where they're at dinner and
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she hates it and you know, kind of similar to what you know,
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we've seen that angle before. I thought about that in a decent proposal type
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of thing. Yeah, like that, So that might be kind of fun.
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You know they say old wrestling in adage, right, you don't need
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to go over to get over. So hopefully that's the track for ricochet here,
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and we better see something out of him that we haven't seen new tonight
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on RAW. Uh. He's he's got to be able to capitalize on this
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somehow. You know, all the rings, all the in ring talent in
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the world, but his sports entertaining has left a little to be desired.
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I think. Uh so, if he's gonna level up, now's the time
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to do it with him. Yeah, Alan, total agreement with you.
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And speaking of seeing something, what the fuck is Seth Rawlins wearing tonight?
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Seth Rawns looks like a He looks like how Chris Jericho used to dress with
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all the glitter, Ye glasses, what's up with the glasses? Damn the
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gas? Look at them, astral boy, crocs. They are crocs.
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Oh my gosh, Seth unique outfits you know, every every shop of the
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store. I think I have always called Seth Rolls the drip god, but
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even I got to look at this one like bruh, come on men,
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Yeah yeah, but again I respect that man's bravery. One of you guys
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mentioned, uh Logan Paul handing out prime to people or something. There was
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a kid like right by the corner near where the where the ramp ended in
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the into the outside the ring area began, and Logan took a drink from
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him, I think, and then Cody hugged him and liked, is it
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does anybody know who that kid was? Is there a story there? I
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don't know if there's a story there. I haven't heard anything. It was
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a kid, just like, Yeah, did anybody see who it was that
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handed Logan Paul the brass knuckles they showed the guy. They never said who
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it was or anything. Yeah, it looks like a nobody. I mean,
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no way that I recognized. Yeah, I guess it wasn't worth acknowledge.
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And after the after they tried to make a big deal out of the
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last guy who showed up in that landed like a wet fart yep, Yeah,
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who are you? Nobody? They made it such a big deal in
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that match. It's so so anyways, like whoo who Prime Energy track?
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That isn't KRS one? Wait a minute, right, what was his name?
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Kate k r B or something? It's very similar to that. I
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don't know KGB k y bar And I'm like, that's not I don't know.
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I guess you have to be like under eighteen and live on social media
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to know who the hell that was. But yeah, you know, for
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being a nobody match they only had they had eight only eighteen minutes that's not
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bad. Ricochet was eighteen in match. Even like when he made event that
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Sawny show, I don't think he had eighteen minutes. I think they could
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have lost four or five and been just fine. Yeah, oh yeah,
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definitely, And honestly, after this really yeah, because after seeing how long
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that match, when I was like, oh, there's gonna be a long
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ass pay per view if they given these boys this much time to cook and
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it's the opening match. Yeah, they cut. They cut matches, and
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it's great that they gave everybody time, but sometimes not everything needs to be
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fucking no thirty minutes, you know, like sometimes sometimes sometimes six eight minutes
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or whatever. It's all you need, even if it's a pay per view
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match. I know we had on the card, but it's like a four
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hour pay per view, And like, I mean, I don't know if
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you guys see on social media with right now with the women's division, like
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there's forty one women on the roster, and you know, there was only
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a like five or six. There really wasn't a lot of women involved on
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the pay per view right now. The pay per view itself essentially it was
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only five. There were the three women evolved into well seven if you add
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in yeah technicality, yeah yeah, well yeah eight if you add in res
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interference in the in the World Championship match, uh, plus Balian Eo in
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the triple Threat match, and then the five women who actually wrestled matches.
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Yeah, you know, there was one hundred and fifty five minutes of non
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wrestling on this show. It's almost two hours. That's that's like forty forty
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five percent of the show. What that's like what promo footage and right promo
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didn't even exits. Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't like the the uh
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London show where we actually got a whole John Cena segment or anything like that.
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This was just matches and breaks. They cut matches to give it more
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flow, better flow or whatever, but but then they like let everything go
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on too long and waste a ship ton of time. It's like, you
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very easily could have squeezed Trish Becky in there, or or Ria Raquel in
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there. I mean maybe not both of them, but you could have easily
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stuck at least one of them in there. I think definitely depending on if
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they could actually if they actually were good to go, because I know the
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It's been a very much a contentious debate online about though uh Becky Trish match
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and the Rea Raquel match being cut from the pay per view. But it
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seems that I can't really nail down for certain if Riquel and Trish are legitimately
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injured or not. It seems like with Trisha don't I don't don't think it's
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the case for Raquel, But I think Trish is legitimately injured. As far
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as her nose is, I think she legitimately has a nose injury, yeah,
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because it's just the way it's bruised up, Like, I don't think
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that's makeup. I think that's a that's legit. Raquel might be up for
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debate. So if they cut it because Trish was legit injured and they pushed
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it back act just to get for more time to heal than you know,
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as much as we may all bemoaned the lack of women's matches, those are
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the breaks sometimes, you know. If injuries are a part of the sport,
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they're pretty much on hundred percent guaranteed and almost one hundred percent guaranteed to
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fuck up plans. If anybody's kipped up with the latest news regarding the women's
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tag division and Raquel. You know, I again I don't know if her
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knee injury is legitimate or not. But again, if it is, then
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you know, you just kind of gotta Those are the breaks. Everything I
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saw said that everyone is healthy, and it was purely just explain why the
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match isn't happening at Tummas Slam. Fairly story a lot from what I from
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what I was led to believe. Right, That's the thing is conflicting information.
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I kind of wish they would just like definitively say something like I know,
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Triple offered up an answer or a rebuttal to the complaints in the press
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conference post a Summer Slam, but again, like say something a bit more
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concrete and definitive, like if they're legit injured, okay, if it's not,
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and you just chose to cut them for you know, past, some
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reasons or whatever. I didn't say that, but I don't know. With
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this kind of you know, lack of definitive information either way, it's just
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leaving everything up for people to misinterpret things and you know, maybe rightly or
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wrongly be upset about situations. Well, I only had somewhere to let your
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voice be heard about it. All right, Well, but let's move on
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to the next match which took place on the pay per view, which was
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Cody Rose versus Rock Lessener and a the rubber match to I guess settle this
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feud once and for all, which surprisingly was just a regular match. I
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know, going into this, a lot of people speculated and thought there would
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have been some sort of stipulation or something added onto it just to kind of
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elevate things, but nope, it turned out to be a regular role match,
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which, for all intentsive purposes, probably should have caused Brock Lessener to
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win the match, given that at one point in this match, Cody Rhodes
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took steal steps right in front of the gay referee for Cody, right,
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I mean, regular ass match, but we just like, hey, ref
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watch this by steal steps to the shoulder, the refs are like shoot.
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But otherwise this match was just it was okay. I get that, Like,
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they tried to tell a story in the match, with you know,
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Rock just beating the living shit out of Cody and Cody refusing to stay down,
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but the way they told the story was just so goddamn boring. For
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that like the middle of that match just absolutely dragged. Basically, Brock fuck
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Cody up, toss him out the ring, referee starts at ten count.
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Cody comes back in. At the last minute, Rock grabs him German suplex.
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Cody falls out the ring again, referee starts another king count ten count.
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Cody comes back in at the last minute, Rock Germans' ass again,
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back out the ring, stay it out this time, and he comes back.
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And they literally did that for like ten minutes of the match was just
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that, and that would just oh, that really just dragged the whole fucking
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matchdown before they eventually got to the finish and you know, things kind of
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picked up a little bit, but not really enough to really save the overall
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match in my opinion. And Brock Lessler did a terrible job of selling those
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cross rows thto ships were executed quite terribly, but Cody Rose got to win.
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And afterwards and what was reported supposedly a genuine moment, not a not
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Kate, not kfabe at all, Rock Lessner acknowledged Cody Rhodes shook his hand
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and raised his arms in the ring, which again according to trip h was
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a pure genuine moment of just brock Lesser breaking Kape and giving Cody Rooses props,
30:45
which that moment in itself I thought was nice. You know, some
30:48
people tried to say that it was brock Lesser passing the torch, which that
30:51
really doesn't make any goddamn say this when you think about it. But brock
30:53
Lesser acknowledging Cody rhodse toughness and Cody having earned Brock's respect like that, that
31:00
was good. That was That was a good moment, something that you don't
31:03
really see too often in wrestling anymore, where guys can just compete, go
31:07
at it, and then you know, shake each other's hand afterwards. I
31:11
just wish to match before that moment would have been better, but uh,
31:17
well it is what it is. What do you think of it? Uh?
31:21
This? Yeah again? You said? Okay, right? I thought
31:25
this was okay. Uh. This feud went like almost exactly beat for beat
31:30
the way I expected it too, from the moment Cody announced Brock as his
31:33
partner on Raw and Brock turned on him. Uh, it's just super formulaic
31:40
feud, super formulaic match, you know. Yeah, Brock and Cody basically
31:48
wrestled the same match, but just different sides of it, right, Brock
31:52
beats the shit out of a guy. He makes his comeback. Brock either
31:55
puts him away or loses. Cody gets his ass kicked, makes his comeback.
32:00
He either puts the guy away or and loses. They both have the
32:01
same match. We've seen this a million times, not necessarily against each other,
32:06
but we've We've seen Cody have this match, and we've seen Brock have
32:08
this match over and over and over. There seems to be so much love
32:14
for this match online and I just don't get it. And we mentioned the
32:19
DQ. Uh. Yeah, the handshake was nice, but didn't quite make
32:22
up for it. It was too little, too late for me at that
32:25
point. I think the Crossroads is a shitty finisher there, I said it.
32:31
Uh, it doesn't look good. I don't care how many in a
32:35
row he does. It's stupid and it doesn't. Yeah, it's one of
32:40
those moves where like it almost looks like it hurts Cody just as much as
32:45
it hurts the opponent. You know, it doesn't. It doesn't look impactful.
32:50
Yeah, I mean J Jre you said it was boring. You were
32:52
right, I agree with this was boring. Yeah, the one thought I
33:00
did have at the what the handshake afterwards is, Yeah, it was a
33:07
thing of you know, Brock showing Cody respect. Also kind of wondered because
33:12
for a moment I thought what I thought it was a k fade moment.
33:15
I wondered if they were doing that to kind of set up Brock being an
33:19
actual baby face the next time we see him whenever they Yeah, that's I
33:24
mean, he was alleged, allegedly he was supposedly like slapping hands and stuff
33:29
on the layout. I don't know that they showed that on television, but
33:32
I would read Alive for Port that said, like, you know, on
33:35
his way back down the ramp, people slapping hands and stuff. So yeah,
33:37
that that's a that's some good detective work if that, in fact is
33:43
what happens. Yeah, I wouldn't mind Brock coming back as a baby face.
33:45
He's done the heel monster thing long enough, and I think he's given
33:51
the rub to pretty much all the top guys in the w W who needed
33:55
from him. So, you know, if we're if we're getting towards the
33:59
twilight and we don't, we also don't know how much longer Rock is going
34:00
to continue to do this, So you know, if he goes back from
34:04
maybe one last run or two and where he's just a baby facing, can
34:08
you know, let the let the fans give him his love and give him
34:13
his flowers on his way out and you know, maybe do some tag teams
34:15
or what team ups or what have you. I'm cool with that. Yeah.
34:20
Well, he's one of those rare guys that you can turn him back
34:22
and forth and back and forth and back and forth, and you don't really
34:24
need much more a reason than oh, we need him to be a heel
34:29
in this field, or oh we need him to be a face in this
34:30
field. You know a lot of I think and there were I think the
34:35
crowd respects him enough to boo him if he's supposed to be booted, or
34:37
cheered for him if he's supposed to be cheered. You know, some you
34:42
know, sometimes they try to turn somebody, you know, they like you
34:45
know, they've tried to turn round to face. How did that work?
34:47
You know, not very well, Brock. You can flip him and flip
34:52
flip him and flip him and flip him and flip him, you know,
34:53
big show level, you know, back and forth and back and forth,
34:57
and it doesn't really matter. You know, he's believable as they either.
35:00
Yeah, definitely, he can be whatever they need him to be at whatever
35:06
moment. Oh, that's right, that's kind of what's helped him last as
35:09
long. But Wayne hopped in here. What'd you think of a match?
35:12
Yeah? But before I give you my thoughts real quick? Uh, you
35:15
know, I always wanted to talk about what's going on on RAW right now?
35:17
You want to pick four guys that really have nothing to do with each
35:22
other but are really good wrestlers. He just picked four random guys from this
35:27
roster and put him in the ring for Fatal four Away you got, Chad
35:30
Gable? Is this for anything? No, not that I know of.
35:35
I have been reading the subtitles Matt Riddle, Tamasa Champa and Ricochet Fatal four
35:42
A way, does this answer the question what is Ricochet doing? Just going
35:45
back to me in a goober? Is that? I don't because I mean,
35:49
like, there's are four guys who could put on a pretty damn good
35:52
match. I just I'm not watching. It's real mustache. Also, right,
35:59
I don't think it. I don't think but I mean he's in the
36:06
fucking doghouse by the way. Oh, exactly, and I'd hate to see
36:09
it, but he put himself there. He put himself there. Will you
36:14
would you show yourself to be unreliable? Why is the company going to invest
36:17
in you in any major way? Yeah? But uh yeah, I thought
36:22
he was poised for a fucking big year too. He was. Then he
36:27
got then he got suspended, started started showing his dick on the internet.
36:32
He seemed to have a good amount of momentum. You know, people wondered
36:36
if he could stand on his own out without a Randy Jordan, and he
36:39
got into that few with Seth Rollins, which you know worked out pretty well.
36:44
He came out on top in the fight pit match, seemed like he
36:47
was set maybe to become at least a solid mid carter and who knows who
36:52
where he could have gone from there, and then ship went left. So
37:00
I just want to hear my opinion on this match. Ye I know we
37:06
can trail off so much when we're watching Monday Night Raw while we're reviewing a
37:10
pay per view, But okay, is the story complete? Is this finally
37:15
a story that Cody Rhodes has been able to complete since his return back to
37:21
WWE. You know, his story for the heavyweight title, the w W
37:28
Championship is kind of floundering. But I think beating brock Lessner is going to
37:31
keep his head afloat in that main event scene still, so you know he's
37:36
he's hovering right underneath Roman the reins. I think if you would have lost
37:39
this this feud, uh, you know, where does Cody go from here?
37:44
But I think he needed this win for sure. And you know,
37:50
the match wasn't it wasn't glorious. You know, there's, like you said,
37:54
too many crossroads. I think I had kind of like three in a
37:59
row. Yeah, two Cody cutters. You know, we got two Kamara
38:02
locks. We haven't f five through a table. Supplus is all over the
38:07
place, you know. Uh, you know I I so I kind of
38:14
agree with the cross roads, but the continuously doing three of them makes it
38:19
seem because every time they do the three, somebody kicks out of them anyway
38:22
for the most part, and it makes it seem that it's so weak that
38:27
you constantly need to do three and you know people are still kicking out.
38:32
Uh. But no, it was nice scene brock Lesnar kind of letting somebody
38:39
like Cody get over and now like the old cowboy can just you know,
38:44
pass on through. I don't know whatever we have for Brock lessener in the
38:47
future. I don't know who's gonna feed with Ellie Knight at some point.
38:53
I think he'll get a rubb from Ellie Knight at some point. I mean
38:57
that's somebody who's never possible. Some different shows and they're both faces yeah yeah,
39:02
and Brock going with a face turn, like where's he go from here?
39:06
So get another take another crop. We know where Brock goes from here
39:12
home? Yeah. I think brockos to Minnesota or wherever the hell he lands
39:17
until the next time they need him for something or the Saudi's cut that check
39:21
for him to come over there and have some match with somebody. By the
39:25
way, I think this might be for a shot at gun through this floor
39:28
away because they showed him awkward TV at a weird angle. But uh yeah,
39:37
keeps Cody flow. I just don't know where he goes from here.
39:39
Maybe it looks like I guess they're just kick off for all whatever he's gonna
39:44
be doing. Maybe a program with Seth Rollins soon. Yeah, I mean
39:49
I think they're just gonna have him tread Watt. He might lose a match
39:52
or two here there, but he won't lose a feud. Uh. They're
39:54
just waiting to get him back to Roman somehow. I don't know if that's
39:58
gonna be. I gotta if it's not him winning the Rumble again, but
40:01
I don't know. I don't know how they do it, but they'll get
40:04
him back to Roman somehow, and up until then he's just treading water.
40:07
I think. Yeah, problem is with Roman being on SmackDown and Cody being
40:13
all raw, kind of the only way they can get him back there would
40:15
be for him after win the Rumble again, which, yeah, I know
40:22
that's pretty far ahead, but I would kind of like to see somebody else
40:25
get that. But at the same time, also don't know who on the
40:30
roster is in the position to get that. Because one thing that WW has
40:36
not really done a good job of in the last maybe year in some change,
40:42
they haven't really done a good job of elevating anybody new into the main
40:45
event scene. Pretty much as it stands right now, pretty much all the
40:51
main event all the people who were main event players last year and arguably maybe
40:58
even the year before, are still the same main event players, and those
41:00
people who have been in the mid car are still mid carters, Like nobody's
41:07
really elevated themselves. The only person you could really argue who's maybe elevated from
41:10
mid car to main event level is good Hunter, but he's currently the inter
41:15
Continental Champion. You might say that about Sammy. Yes, you could make
41:22
an argument for Sammy being made event level, but but to your point,
41:27
there are a fewing five between I would absolutely right, you can, you
41:30
can make that argument, but at the same time, we haven't seen him
41:32
go. We haven't seen him come back to that level since uh, since
41:37
his match with Roaming. He's become a tag champion and that their their tag
41:45
title run has been kind of mid and it seems like it's in limbo now
41:50
with k Kevin Owen's apparent injury. So maybe we'll see what Sammy's aint does
41:55
on his own as a singles competitor. Maybe he does step back into the
41:59
main event pictures. I mean, yeah there, Yeah, he's valid.
42:05
I don't know if anybody can see him winning the World Rumble next year,
42:08
but I think that still might be a bit of a stretch. But yeah,
42:14
anyway, that's a let's not get sidetracked too much with that that's still
42:19
a long ways off, and we got plenty of a lot that can happen
42:22
between now and then, for sure. So something that's probably more interesting than
42:29
talking about the world rumbling next year the MMA rules match Rod the Rouser versus
42:35
Shane Basler. Wait, do we get the Battle Royal? Oh, that's
42:38
right, the Battle Royal did happen. That's right, that's right, right,
42:42
let's skip right over that. Yeah. The La Knight Invitational, also
42:46
known as the SummerSlam Battle Royal. Yeah, saw everybody who ain't had ship
42:52
else to do, plus La Knight and aj Styles who were the only ones
42:57
who actually got televised introduction, and a Battle Royale which started and then it
43:05
was immediately interrupted by MVP, who announced that Omas is also gonna be a
43:10
part of this, and he came out there and did typical Omas things,
43:19
and by typical Amas things, I mean beat up a whole lot of people
43:22
and then failed to close the deal by getting eliminated, and from there,
43:29
everybody beat up on each other, came down to the final two people,
43:31
Shamus and La Night, with La Knight coming out on top exactly how pretty
43:37
much we all expected. So this happened. I can't really say that it's
43:45
anything noteworthy. This happened like nothing noteworthy happened from it, Like they didn't
43:53
even really use the Battle Royal to tell any of the subplots that have been
44:00
happening on the main shows. Hey, shout out the chat Gable, he
44:05
won the fatal four way. It looks like he's gonna get a titled match
44:07
against Glaser. That should be a really good match. But uh yeah,
44:12
Like I said, there were people in this match who have storylines going on
44:16
on the main shows, and none of them played out in this Battle Royal.
44:22
I feel like that was just a missed opportunity, Like just get Knockamora
44:27
and Bronson read and it was Mussel Chopper, we're in this match, and
44:32
like they didn't do that, They didn't do nothing when like they were just
44:37
in it. So again, I think we've bemoaned the lack of steaks.
44:43
Right when we were previewing this, remember I remember thinking it might be kind
44:47
of funny if the winner gets a slim gym commercial and then behold and sure
44:53
enough another They're funny. Honestly, Sometimes if there's a you know, Bianca's
45:01
entrance from sponsored or whatever, I feel like sometimes if if we have I
45:07
think recently we've bemoaned lack of stakes and a lot of things lately. I
45:12
think like something like that, like a real world kind of thing, like
45:15
oh, you're gonna get this endorsement contract something like that on the line is
45:21
an easy way to make something that's just kind of a little more interesting,
45:25
right, Or this is for a fucking car, you know, like let's
45:30
have these two guys fight over a car or something. You know, Like
45:35
sure, I mean, you're not wrong, Like you're not wrong at all.
45:39
Like even if the stakes are seemingly petty or insignificant, seemingly just the
45:45
fact that it exists adds something to the match. Like they could have called
45:50
this a slim Jim Battle Royale for which the winner gets an endorsement deal with
45:54
Slim jab Sure, we probably would have all still been like, Okay,
45:59
they're nice about to do slim Gym commercials and maybe they could have had a
46:04
number of or maybe if they had planned this out in advance, they could
46:07
have recorded a couple of slim Gym commercials or like guys trying out for it
46:14
likes have funny with the Viking Raiders, you know, like right could run,
46:19
but they could have run a couple of likes. Slim Gym commercials would
46:22
random superstars beforehand, saying like, you know, hey, slim the guys
46:25
that the exects of slim Gym, or you know, given everybody a test
46:29
one seeing how things go, and then you get to the Battle Royale where
46:31
everybody fights to see who actually becomes it, and then the winner is obviously
46:36
La Night, and then you run that commercial afterwards with him and Bianca and
46:40
Yo. At least it flows and it makes sense. And even if it's
46:44
not the biggest you know, titles steaks on it, it's still some steaks
46:49
and something that matters it Perhaps to the wrestlers, it gives them a reason
46:52
to actually compete. Yeah, Like obviously for me the commercial was more.
47:00
I enjoyed the commercial more than I did this Battle Royal itself, especially with
47:06
the cutbacks to og Macho Man slim Gym commercials. That was a that was
47:12
a real nice touch of nostalgia and I'm glad that they included that in those
47:14
commercials as well, the way of bridging the gap from the olds and the
47:17
new. But uh uh, Wayne hop in here, what would you think
47:22
of a Battle Royal. Boo yeah, oh, it was so nice seeing
47:28
the macho man come back and did the slim Gym It. Come on,
47:30
man, every time you think of slim Gym, who do you think of?
47:34
You think of the macchuel man, Randy seven. Oh, you know
47:37
the cream The crowd always rises to the top, can you dig it?
47:43
Gotta remember the slim Gym commercials. This is my favorite. So it was
47:46
nice seeing like a newer, updated one finally. But it's always nice to
47:50
see, you know, boo yeah, to watch a man in those uh
47:54
yeah not they could even give him the winner of this Battle Royal like a
47:59
box of slim Gym a year's supply if slim Jim's nothing, h just momentum
48:06
in their own little their own little world, you know, no no title
48:09
shots, nothing. But it went to the right person, you know,
48:13
it went to I think we all predicted who was going to go to.
48:21
I did, like down to the fatal four, who they had left I
48:24
kind of I don't know, you can kind of predict that early on when
48:28
he gets down to the nitty gritty, but they had the last I think
48:31
it was that Shamus was the last guy came down to Shamus an La night.
48:36
Yeah, I want to chat able to be one in the final four.
48:39
Yeah, he can't make it, unfortunately, but you know, he
48:42
lasted pretty long. I mean, what's going on right now on Monday Night
48:47
Raw, He's it looks like his momentum is gonna be going pretty good,
48:51
you know, getting a title shot for the inner kind of title soon.
48:53
So but if that's slow, if that slow German becomes his new becomes his
49:00
finishing move, I'm here for it because that thing is fucking impressive every single
49:04
time. So yeah, I mean it's a little eleven minutes and fifty five
49:09
seconds if everybody collecting a paycheck now they threw everybody, who's everybody out there?
49:15
Uh, but it's you know, it sucks seeing a guy like aj
49:19
Styles had to do Battle Royals. You know, this matched me, had
49:22
a fucking feud. I mean, he's kind of a few with carrying Cross.
49:27
But that's enough. Nobody want to hear that. But that's just another
49:31
match, another feud that's going on. That's just kind of going nowhere,
49:36
treading water, you know, go back to their feud in the middle of
49:40
a Battle royal. But uh yeah, yeah, again, that's that that's
49:49
more to back to my point, that's probably the only subplot that actually did
49:52
play out during the Battle Royal was the AJ Styles carrying a cross thing,
49:57
because carrying cross got eliminated I think by a J Styles I think, and
50:00
then and then carry cross came back and got aj eliminated. So yeah,
50:07
that's the one thing that actually played out during the Battle Royal. But other
50:09
than that, yeah, nothing else. I mean, at least they did
50:15
that a little bit, but yeah, again, otherwise this was more or
50:17
less a forgettable thing. And for all you people, if you are sick
50:23
of hearing La Knights, yeah you're gonna be even more sick of it because
50:29
you best believe that thing's gonna be all over them slim Gym commercials moving forward,
50:34
Hey think I'm gonna do a review on a battle sponsored by slim Gym
50:37
and not bringing back the Yeah, we're gonna go from snap into a slim
50:44
Gym. Oh yeah, it's a snap into a slim Gym. Yeah.
50:47
And every time we mentioned the Macho Man, I'd like to remind everyone that
50:52
I met the Macho Man. It was the Macho King at the time.
50:55
Oh yeah, And MC queen Sherry Sherry not there fortunately, Oh no Sherry,
51:02
no Sherry, just just just the man, just man. Yeah.
51:10
Yeah. So the Battle Royal was forgettable. But was it as forgettable as
51:16
what followed, which was the MMA rules match between Ronda Rosley and Shana Basler.
51:23
I would argue that I will never forget how awful this piece of shit
51:27
was. Yep, because that's exactly what this thing was, fucking shit.
51:37
The the fact that they had to do it MMA rules match, you kind
51:42
of figured they were gonna do like a scripted MMA fight, but the problem
51:46
is you can't script MMA. It looked terrible when they tried to execute,
51:51
like these girls were These women were hitting each other, but you can tell
51:54
they weren't really hitting each other, like they're throwing MMA punches, but very
52:00
obviously holding back like oh, I'm gonna push you in your ribs, and
52:04
it's basically just loved happening the shit out of you. Like it all falls
52:07
apart when it's that, Like, I don't know if WW was fearful of
52:12
one of them actually getting hurt, but some sort of legalities or something that
52:15
prevents w W from actually putting on an actual MMA match. But I feel
52:22
like if they could have. They should have just been like, yo,
52:24
fuck it, go full UFC in there, y'all. Actually, we're not
52:29
gonna book a winner, y'all, just fucking fight and whoever wins wins.
52:34
But maybe they couldn't do that, or if you're gonna or if you can't
52:37
do that and you had to scripted, they damn sure could have committed a
52:42
little bit better. Y'all. Thet MMA fighters, you've been punched in the
52:45
face before. Legitimately, y'all get still on each other a couple of times
52:49
for real, rather than just this, or we're gonna grapple and I'm gonna
52:52
put it in this submission move and you're gonna break out of it. Then
52:55
I'm gonna put it in a submission move, and or I'm gonna take you
52:58
down. I'm just gonna love to have to shit out of your kidney,
53:00
And like, this thing was just an absolute fucking mess, you know,
53:07
And if it is, and the word is that supposedly this may be Ronda's
53:13
last This may have been Ronda's last match, and we won't see her at
53:17
least not in any matches. Who knows if she appears on rosson eight or
53:21
anything. Like that. But this has been possibly her last match. So
53:24
in addition to y'all's thoughts on this match itself, I want to ask you
53:29
all this question. If this is Ronda Rowsey's final match, what will be
53:35
her legacy in the w W E Let's start with you Wayne, Ronda Rowsey's
53:40
legacy. I mean, it's it's someone who came in what she she was
53:46
on. She didn't go to NXT. She was on the main roster right
53:50
away, and you know, she didn't go right to the title scene.
53:54
It was nice. They had her built up, they had her just you
53:57
know, it was just blowing through people through the roster and then until she
54:00
hits that wall where it just got a little bit harder dealing with the four
54:04
horsewomen, you know, and then she finally got to Charlotte. That was
54:07
like her peak, uh, you know, beating Nicky, Bella and Charlotte.
54:13
Then after that, Ronda Rousey seemed like after Becky, like after the
54:16
feud Becky, it seemed like she's kind of just doing what I was.
54:21
She had to do. The clock in colock out, you know, seemed
54:23
like she's not really into it as much as she used to be. And
54:28
you know, the hype of Ronda thinks just diminished. I mean this feud
54:31
in general. I think you know, back in twenty twenty, back when
54:37
Shana Basler was like peak n XT. You know, you told me then
54:40
like this Shanda Basler versus you know, at that time, whatever Ronda was
54:45
doing on the main roster, that was a better you know, idea to
54:51
kick around. And they just waited it so long for this and then this
54:55
feud and then to pull it so quickly to not even a decent storyline.
55:01
And the payoff was you know, face makeup getting wushed around, lots and
55:07
lots of face makeup getting wushed around. You know, a couple hard kicks
55:13
to the head, but other than that, it's just all holds. And
55:16
it was very boring. Like I think, like the fight Fit match,
55:20
this would have been the one because it would have made it a little bit
55:22
more interesting. I mean this it was so it felt so boring, so
55:29
so boring. But you know, in twenty twenty, this idea, this
55:34
would have been a pretty good idea, This pretty good match, pretty good
55:37
few but it's three years too like, so, so how do you how
55:45
do you think Ronda will be remembered in w w E. How do you
55:49
think her herd w w E run will be remembered? I mean short,
55:55
does it mean? It doesn't seem like she's been there for a while,
55:59
but she had is I can't remember when she did debut. I mean she
56:04
did a lot with the time she was here, But I you know,
56:08
hall of Fame for sure? I mean, how are you not gonna put
56:12
round in with all the people she's put down? You know? But uh,
56:19
if this is okay done like done with pro wrestling, I think she
56:23
she has something for Hall of Fame worthy. I mean, look, they
56:28
put worse in the Hall of Fame. I mean, come on, real
56:30
worse guys so kicked up. I mean yeah, I get she'll she will
56:37
probably go in just off the strength of her name and the fact that,
56:43
yeah, she was a women's champion. But I guess the question would be,
56:47
does she really quote deserve to be in the Hall of Fame again?
56:53
It obviously yeah, just because of her name, But does the formans yeah
57:00
for what it was? Does does she really have a Hall of Fame career
57:07
in ww from a performance standpoint? Because the way I see it, I
57:13
think her legacy will be that of kind of underwhelming of it would really just
57:20
be if you could describe her WW career in one word, I think it'd
57:24
be underwhelming. Like she did come in with a whole lot of fanfare and
57:30
a whole lot of hype, and the Ronda Rousing name really carried a whole
57:34
lot of weight at that time. And you could excuse her lack of,
57:40
you know, ability in the ring in the beginning because she was making the
57:45
transition from MMA to WW to professional wrestling, so that was excusable in the
57:51
beginning. But it seems like she never put really put in the effort to
57:58
improve, and it's probably because she never had to because she was almost always
58:04
booked at the top of the division, always booked with the strongest wrestlers who
58:10
could perform, so she never really had to carry a match. She always
58:15
had her opponent who could more or less carry her through the match or could
58:21
sell their ass off to whatever she did to make rod to look great.
58:25
But I don't think she ever really put in the kind of work that she
58:31
should have to be a high caliber women's wrestler, not like the not like
58:40
on the level of those who actually are wrestlers, like if you were to,
58:47
if you had to rank the top women's wrestlers in the WW, I
58:53
think she would be probably at the As far as just ability, she would
58:58
almost certainly be at the BOMA just in the top tens list but no,
59:06
no way in it like a top five, but at top ten, hell
59:08
no. And if she's in the top ten, it's only on name.
59:13
Yeah, you could arguably probably come up with ten women in WW who are
59:17
better performers than her, easily, I would think. But it's like when
59:24
Derek Jeter was making the All Star team in his last couple of years,
59:28
he wasn't an All Star anymore. He was just Erica's. His name was
59:30
Derek Jeta. No, I gotta dig out the fucking Yankees any chance I
59:35
get, I wouldn't go. I wouldn't go. Say nothing about like,
59:37
oh, you're just gonna take that jab. Hey, I ain't mad at
59:43
it, but yeah, I mean I would. I would say for Ronda
59:46
would be under achiever. Yeah, basically echo with you guys have said her
59:52
first run was pretty good, but then once she wasn't an unstoppable monster anymore.
59:55
She was never able to pivot really and you know, you know in
1:00:01
the way that you know, the Undertaker was an unstoppable monster at one point
1:00:06
and then he wasn't, and but he continued on just fine. Uh,
1:00:09
same with with a brock Lesnoh. We just talked about you know, Ronda
1:00:14
was never able to turn that corner, you know, uh on once she
1:00:19
once any once, the mystique she had uh from being the baddest woman on
1:00:23
the planet or whatever, wore off. She was done. She she wasn't
1:00:28
versatile enough to make us care about her anymore. Really. I mean,
1:00:35
so I would say I would say her legacy is out of an underachiever.
1:00:39
As far as the match went, I did like that the referee try to
1:00:44
get him to touch gloves before and Ronda offered hers. Uh when she was
1:00:49
fighting at MMA, she never never, never did the glove of thing.
1:00:52
So that was kind of a cool little reversal of roles there a little bit,
1:00:58
but it was all downhill from there. The crowd hated it. You
1:01:02
know, what are they going to learn the pro wrestling crowds want wait for
1:01:07
it, pro wrestling, you can't. You can't work a shoot fight.
1:01:13
It just it never ever works. Uh. You know, if if Carlos
1:01:16
was here, I'm sure he could tell us all about the quote unquote boxing
1:01:20
match between Rowdy Roddy Piper and Missed a t I believe WrestleMania two. I
1:01:25
think that was. It was fucking awful, Like, you know, uh,
1:01:30
if they were going to do something like this, I don't know why
1:01:31
they didn't do a off premises thing kind of like, uh, what was
1:01:37
it? Uh Ken Shamrock and Owen Hart and the Lion's Den match or whatever,
1:01:42
like you can you can it would be if you can, you know,
1:01:45
work camera angles and edit the thing together, it might have been come
1:01:49
off a lot better because the crowd fucking hated it, Like this could have
1:01:52
this could have happened, you know, in an empty somewhere, you know,
1:01:58
like somewhere off premises quote unquote, so they couldn't have thrown, you
1:02:01
know, so they could have edited together and tried to make it look like
1:02:04
an actual fight. But it's just that it doesn't work, and and it's
1:02:08
an MMA rules match, right, but they're doing ten counts. They don't
1:02:13
do that in MMA fights, Like oh, there were three three matches.
1:02:17
I mean, I'm with with with these kind of problems, It's like,
1:02:22
what the fuck? Yeah, You're right. If anything could have benefited from
1:02:28
some actual like cinematic ending like what WW did during the pandemic with something like
1:02:36
like what they did with a style an undertaker, if anything could have benefited
1:02:38
from that, it would have been this match. Yeah, go stick him
1:02:42
in an octagon and some gym somewhere, you know, filming ahead of time.
1:02:46
You can play it off like it's happening live if you want, right,
1:02:52
and then just let that shit and they just play that shit in the
1:02:54
arena like, hey, it's gonna happen here. Hell, you're endeavor owns,
1:02:59
both of y'all. Yeah, exactly right, Lease out the fucking ufcagon
1:03:02
for the match. I will give I will give a little credit to Shana
1:03:07
and Ronda. I guess also because I think Shana gave her a good stiff
1:03:13
choke there at the end, because Randa fucking turned purple. Uh So I
1:03:17
think that might have been I think she may have been laying into that choke
1:03:21
there at the end. Uh And I guess you know, when when you
1:03:23
get two performers to trust each other, you could probably get away with that
1:03:25
kind of thing. But why can't get away with with with hitting each other?
1:03:30
With half strength punches, you know what I mean? Like right,
1:03:34
it was a mess. I hope, I hope Shana can level up from
1:03:37
this. I'm not gonna hold my breath though. Yeah. Yeah, that
1:03:43
was gonna be my next question. Do y'all think this is going to translate
1:03:46
to anything substantial for Shane and basilor moving forward? No, I she beat
1:03:53
Ronda, okay, so who else has left on that top peak before we
1:03:59
start taking her serious again? It's just I guess just putting Shana in that
1:04:04
top mid card section. So she's just gonna flounder there for a bit until
1:04:12
somebody worthy comes along that doesn't have a bell on them. I mean that's
1:04:15
the problem. I mean, she's not gonna beating Naby with the title anytime,
1:04:19
as soon as like who else is worthy that's around. This's not on
1:04:23
the injured process because it seems like every or every episode we have, it
1:04:28
seems like we're just adding more people to the roster. Like we we went
1:04:30
what like a couple of days before we're putting out another episode, it was
1:04:33
like three more injuries. We'll talk about that later, but jeezus, yeah,
1:04:41
yeah, I think this can possibly do something for Shana Basler. But
1:04:45
this alone won't do it, Like, this match alone is not gonna catafold
1:04:50
her to being a title contender or anything like this. But this can be
1:04:56
the start. Yeah. If they take this fact that Okay, she be
1:04:59
run Rousy, she and they say, like, you know, this is
1:05:02
the beginning of her becoming the Queen of Spades or whatever it is that she
1:05:08
whatever her moniker is, and she starts to get back to what she was
1:05:13
in the NXT and that that type of dominant person, then this can we
1:05:18
can possibly look back on this one day and say like, hey, it
1:05:21
started here for Shana. Yeah. I mean, she's certainly gonna have the
1:05:25
chance to capitalize. Whether she can or is to be seen, but I
1:05:30
think she'll definitely be afford to the opportunity. Yeah, yeah, hopefully they
1:05:35
hopefully they will give her the opportunity in booking to build upon this, because
1:05:41
you know, I think I think she can be a good performer in the
1:05:45
ring. I think she can, like but they just have to. I
1:05:48
think she's heading shoulders better than Ronda Rousy. Yeah, yeah, definitely without
1:05:54
question. And again that promo that she cut where she you know, kind
1:05:59
of port about you know, this was her passion and this is what she
1:06:02
does and all that stuff. There's something there to build on. It.
1:06:06
Just gotta give it the chance and you know, run with it, commit
1:06:11
to it or something. Don't just do a couple of meaningless matches and expect
1:06:17
the WW universe to carry it the rest of the way, because they've shown
1:06:23
time and time again if you don't give no reason to give a shit,
1:06:25
they're not going to give a shit. So that that part falls on WW.
1:06:30
But we've talked about this probably longer than actually Match Yourself lasted, so
1:06:33
we can move on. It was seven twenty five, but it felt like
1:06:39
about half an hour. I can't believe all the other times on the card
1:06:43
and they only had like seven minutes. I guess that's all they could do,
1:06:47
I mean, but it felt like way longer than I did. It
1:06:50
definitely did feel a lot longer. So yeah, you damned so it couldn't
1:06:56
have no twenty minute and it maybe fight from these like, ain't no way
1:06:58
in hell. Well, you know they part of the reason they started,
1:07:01
uh choreographing it in the first place is because you know, in the days
1:07:05
before MMA, it was born as ship Watching two guys trying to wrestle each
1:07:10
other. It took hours, you know what I mean, And it was
1:07:13
just two guys sitting in a headlock for you know, ninety minutes or whatever.
1:07:17
That's why they started scripting these six in the first place, like,
1:07:20
we don't want to see that. We want to see you like a fight
1:07:24
pit would have been such a batter idea. Anyway, that's enough about let's
1:07:27
let's uh let from this feud started again, all right. So after this,
1:07:35
we got what was, in my opinion, our first legitimately good match
1:07:43
of the night, which is kind of wild gets here, and we had
1:07:46
to go one, two, three, four matches before we got our our
1:07:53
first great match or really good match of the night, and that was the
1:07:58
Intercontinental Championship match between Gunter and Drew McIntyre, which I'm pretty sure when everybody
1:08:04
saw when this match was announced, everybody knew that we were gonna get,
1:08:10
uh, you know, for lack of better term, a slopper knocker.
1:08:13
We were gonna get a banger. We were gonna get these guys beating the
1:08:15
living crap out of each other, and that's pretty much exactly what we got
1:08:19
in the match. Big, like I was like big meaty men slapping meat.
1:08:26
That's what they did. They traded chops, blows, power bombs,
1:08:29
They threw everything they had at each other and ultimately, in the end,
1:08:34
much to at least not to my surprise at all, uh Gunter came out
1:08:41
on top, remaining Intercontinental Champion and at least something that was up. I
1:08:50
canna say, this is uh a bit more of a career, bit creative,
1:08:55
more creative of a finish And since that it's been alone, was the
1:08:58
last time we saw somebody and actually like a big guy like that get racked
1:09:01
on the top rope and that be the thing that becomes his downfall. Like
1:09:08
it's been a while since we've seen, you know, an old trope like
1:09:12
that actually lead to somebody losing a match. Usually it's just they use that
1:09:16
something like that. It's you know, as a way to turn the tables
1:09:19
or they do it to the heel for you know, comedic effectors on like
1:09:23
something like that. But Drew actually going for a move and go to a
1:09:26
countering it, causing him to Drew to rack himself and then gets are going
1:09:31
in for the finishing combo, which is another thing that I appreciate about Guntzer,
1:09:35
he doesn't his finishing. His finisher is probably like the power bomb,
1:09:41
but he never does just the power bomb. He got always hits you with
1:09:45
like a whole combo or shit before he hits you with the power bomb,
1:09:47
like he did with Drew, like Drew racked himself. Got came off the
1:09:53
top rope with a splash, then went from that to a well, I
1:09:56
think it was a clothesline, and then fucking picked him up with power bombing
1:10:00
him like Golzer is like he when he could put you down, he makes
1:10:02
sure your ass state of fuck now. And it's like different stuff too.
1:10:06
Yeah, the five moves of doom that like Brett and John Cena used to
1:10:12
do a couple other Poguan always in the same like four sequence. Gunter always
1:10:15
does it deferently depending on who he's fighting. Yeah, right right, he
1:10:19
finds a different combination to finish you off. Whether I'm just slap to living
1:10:24
shit out of you, then pop bomb. We're all gonna drop kick you
1:10:27
into this turnbuckle and pull you out and closeline you would in power bomb or
1:10:31
ambo hit you with a splash, or I'm just gonna beat your ankle into
1:10:34
oblivion and then put you in an ankle lock or something. Yeah, it's
1:10:40
again. It's another reason why Gozer is one of the best on the roster
1:10:44
right now, and eight months in the year he's I'm just saying it early.
1:10:48
Right now, he is my MVP in twenty twenty three so far.
1:10:55
But uh, Doyle, what do you think of the match? Uh?
1:11:00
Yeah, it was good. It was really good. But it wasn't great.
1:11:02
Uh maybe I just expected too much. I don't know. You know,
1:11:06
it was as advertised, you know, big, big meeting men,
1:11:11
slap and meat. But it's kind of like we've seen this before, and
1:11:14
we've seen it done a little better before. Uh. You know, I'm
1:11:16
still a fan of it, don't get me wrong, But it just wasn't
1:11:19
anything birth shattering. Uh you know, it was just it was just it
1:11:26
was really good. You know. It's the kind of thing you show to
1:11:28
somebody that doesn't like wrestling, you know, when you say, look,
1:11:30
okay, you know it's very cool. Well watch this, like these guys
1:11:34
are gonna both look like somebody kicked the shit out of them at the end,
1:11:39
And sure enough, that's what happened. I'm looking forward to this last
1:11:43
month of my calculations when I said September eighth, I think gun Thar should
1:11:49
break the record. I'm hoping they get Hungy talk Man involved somehow. I
1:11:56
would love to see him, uh, either getting ready to celebrate the guns
1:12:01
is lost and then it doesn't have you know, kind of like the Miami
1:12:04
Dolphins. Uh, whenever the last team loses, they uh pop champagne or
1:12:10
whatever. It would be fun to see see Hockey tong Man ready to celebrate
1:12:16
guns are losing and then he doesn't or something should be GLS final opponent,
1:12:23
yeah, or something like something ridiculous. It was like three days were breaking
1:12:26
a record a hockey song man. So they're like, oh, hell no,
1:12:29
he said he's seventy old, so just beast is fuck out of him?
1:12:33
Yeah, like exactly, or like I don't know, Honky tong Man
1:12:40
goes to present him with a guitar or something, and of course they get
1:12:43
smash over his own head. I don't know. Uh, you know,
1:12:45
you do not respect the ring something, you know. But yeah, I
1:12:51
mean this is this is good. But it was really good. But it
1:12:55
wasn't great, uh, but given the rest of the card, it was
1:12:59
definitely one of the best things on the card, that that much is true,
1:13:02
that that is definitely true. Wayne, what'd you think of the match?
1:13:05
Finally we're getting some momentum in the pay per view. It was dragging.
1:13:11
We had the ups and the downs of this. You know, it
1:13:14
started pretty strong in the very beginning, growing up, growing up. We
1:13:16
had the you know La Knight win, the Battle Broiler, we had you
1:13:19
know, Cody Rhodes finished his feud, and then you know, we get
1:13:24
hit hard with the waves of boredom, with the Shana Basley Ronda Rousy match,
1:13:29
just waves roading away, you know, just my love for this pay
1:13:34
per view. It was just it was starting to have a law and then
1:13:38
finally it picks up. You know guth right there in the middle of the
1:13:42
card where he needs to be, you know, our our intercommental champion,
1:13:45
who definitely is going to be breaking the hockey tonk Man's record for sure.
1:13:49
I mean, seventy years old, he could probably still put on a match
1:13:54
or at least be involved in some way, shape or form, right,
1:13:57
you know, I think he want want to an easy check just president him
1:14:01
with this newer, way better looking Intercontinental title. I don't know, uh,
1:14:09
you know, we didn't suspect Drew d you know, stop Gunter anytime
1:14:15
soon. It seems like nobody has the formula to be Gunter. If you
1:14:21
look on the car now, I still can't see who else we get through
1:14:25
at him. That's gonna you know, we're having Chad Gable. But other
1:14:30
than that, like right now, I can't find anybody who who has the
1:14:34
right formula, the right charisma, you know, and the worthiness of the
1:14:40
intercontinental title. So I mean I can see him rolling it right into winning
1:14:46
the heavyweight title, never losing the intercontinental title, and just relinquish rites the
1:14:55
top, right, isn't Yeah, at this point this best you're very real
1:15:00
possibility. They just really not at all. Yeah, if they want to
1:15:03
build up, if they really want going to to be just this dominant ass
1:15:08
guy, and they really want to keep that going, because yeah, you're
1:15:11
right, there really aren't so many people on the roster right now who look
1:15:15
like legitimate rights two gooms. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like after
1:15:18
he breaks the record, he could say like, Okay, look I've done
1:15:21
all I can with this thing. Now it's time to go after the big
1:15:25
prize. And then he goes and wins it, you know, and He's
1:15:28
like, I don't need this Intercontinental Tide all anymore. I'm now the world
1:15:30
champion of Yeah, and then yeah, he just relinquishes it like y'all had
1:15:35
is Now that would be kind of fucked up to the icy built given how
1:15:40
much he built it up. And then once he wins the bigger prize,
1:15:42
he's just kind of like, fuck this belt now. That's like it would
1:15:45
kind of squander a lot of the work that he put in to build up
1:15:49
the belt. So I don't know if I would really want to see that,
1:15:54
at least not from him. What I mean, like after WrestleMania six,
1:15:59
the Warrior lank question right right right, like throwing the garbage right like
1:16:04
it needs to be a managerial thing, Like okay, like you know,
1:16:09
Adam looking his name page on that page here anyway, Pierce Pierce. Yeah,
1:16:15
Adam Pierce comes out and says, all right, go to you can't
1:16:18
have both titles, so I'm gonna need you to relinquish the Inner Continental and
1:16:23
then you know, go to grudgeingly does it or what have you? Yeah,
1:16:29
and then you can have a super fun I see title tournament right for
1:16:33
like three weeks, But what does it Drew go from here though. You
1:16:38
know, great question, what's that? That's a great question. Yeah,
1:16:43
where's he go? You know, we kind of knew this was going to
1:16:46
happen, but now you can't even you can't win the world title, you
1:16:51
can't win the w W title, you can't win a Cornhill title. I
1:17:00
think he kind of needs to turn. He'll probably because ain't much room for
1:17:04
him on on the baby face front a raw because that's pretty much monopolized by
1:17:10
Seth and Cody, so they really ain't much space for him to be and
1:17:15
Sammy Sustain and Kevin Olans whatever he returns from injury, so they ain't much
1:17:17
space for him to be a top baby face there. Those baby faces kind
1:17:21
of need some top heels to feud with other than the judgment day. So
1:17:29
yeah, he'll turn for Drew McIntire kind of makes some sense right about now.
1:17:33
I mean, he needs to do something because his act is kind of
1:17:36
stale at this point. He needs to change something up that too. He
1:17:41
needs to go back to being the Scottish psychopath, right right, Yeah,
1:17:46
that's the hell that we need. So yep, I don't know how they're
1:17:50
gonna make the flip aside from him just doing the them doing the basic lazy
1:17:57
booking of him just showing up and beating shut out of some face. Yeah,
1:18:01
which again to me is would be kind of lazy. But I mean,
1:18:06
you gotta get him a heal somehow. That's what heels do though,
1:18:13
Yeah, that is what heels do. But I don't know. I kind
1:18:15
of wish, I kind of hope they would put some thought into it and
1:18:18
maybe come up with something a bit more natural and organic as opposed to him
1:18:24
just like sitting backstage and picking random baby face you whooping your ass tonight?
1:18:30
All right now, I'm a heel. I don't know again, but that's
1:18:34
just a thought. Any other final thoughts on this? Uh? I see
1:18:41
title match. I'm enjoying, like now the week to week opening the entrance
1:18:47
for for Gunter, just because how much filled is in it with the ring
1:18:54
general like this, and just the way the announcer the you know, announces
1:19:00
Gunter's name and all of imperium. It's like, finally, entrance musics or
1:19:06
entrances in general are getting cool again. Yeah. I think I saw a
1:19:11
brief interview would go to at some of it where somebody asks him about how
1:19:15
Samantha Irwin introduces him, and he said he likes it. Yeah, and
1:19:19
he said he likes the way she puts that extra little emphasis and the way
1:19:23
she pronounced. He said that, you know, it adds a little something
1:19:25
extra to the presentation. So he's a fan of how of how she introduces
1:19:29
him. Yeah, I mean, you think how many of these modern day
1:19:33
entrances that we have, like Seth Rollins, Cody Rhodes, You know that
1:19:36
the fans and Shinsky and Knockamore that love to sing to the music, right
1:19:42
love that shit. Well, Imperium isn't one of those kind of songs,
1:19:46
but just the way they have their own unique way, just like the New
1:19:51
Day, I felt like also had that kind of magic. They had their
1:19:56
own unique way that make their entrance special. It is always singing along to
1:20:00
their music. It has unique So yeah, and and that kind of is
1:20:06
that's kind of what helps make That's what makes Samantha Irwin as great as she
1:20:12
is because she has a way of She doesn't do it with every single wrestler,
1:20:16
but some of the ones that she does do with with she just puts
1:20:19
a little something extra make their make it unique for each one. Of them,
1:20:24
like whether she does the Kaiser or she does the Chelsea Green. Like
1:20:29
Chelsea Green, she just puts a little something extra on or something unique and
1:20:34
some little twist on some people's names. Keeps her as employed because I mean,
1:20:40
how many other ring announcers, you know, besides what Lilian Garcia,
1:20:45
nobody did it. Nobody did it like she does. Nobody does what Samantha
1:20:49
Irwin does. Yeah, everybody else just pretty much announced names and just were
1:20:54
really good at it. But as far as making right, as far as
1:20:59
make people unique and making certain people stand out from others, no, Samantha
1:21:04
Wins. She stays. I think she's pretty much stands alone in that,
1:21:08
ye, and that's why to me she's the second best after the think all
1:21:14
right, all right, but uh oh looks like Anna Row. We got
1:21:19
Becky Lynch and the ring cutting a promo which their matches uh next week,
1:21:27
her and Trish, Yeah I believe so. Yeah, it's in Winnipeg fish
1:21:30
its hometown. Yeah right, which seems like an odd choice given that Trish
1:21:36
is supposed to be the hell But they're gonna have this match in Canada,
1:21:40
which means Trish is going to absolutely get cheered yep, yep for sure.
1:21:48
Yeah. I'm just kind of watching this just to see if anything develops from
1:21:53
this or if this is just gonna be Becky in the ring cutting a promo.
1:21:58
I think she's cutting a promo. I would like to uh. I
1:22:04
was saying her hair looks nice. She's not wearing a goofy out outfit though
1:22:12
this week. Yeah, she's pretty serious. Damn man, that's the one
1:22:18
that's wearing the goofy outfits. She's got that like side of the head in
1:22:26
vein popping out like he's gonna kill something, have those different types of moves.
1:22:30
You know, she wears different outfits when she's you know, he being
1:22:32
very heeless and cheeky's she's wearing those goofy outfits, those goofy glasses and shit.
1:22:38
You know she's the man. You know, she's serious and she's pissed
1:22:42
off. You know, this is leather jacket Becky. You know, like
1:22:47
somebody interrupt, start talking shit, we got dueling leather jackets. Yeah right,
1:23:00
the leather budget was through the fucking roof. Okay, Dre, she
1:23:09
is kind of cute. I'm telling you, mate, y'all gonna gotta see
1:23:13
the light. So what's the next last free got left? All right?
1:23:20
Next match after the World Heavyweight Championship, well after the Aircontal Championship match,
1:23:26
was the World Heavyweight Championship match between Seth Rollins and Finn Balor. I gotta
1:23:34
say this little rivalry. I didn't when this feud started. I really didn't
1:23:40
have much hope for it. I just kind of figured they were just feeding
1:23:44
Finn to Seth is just a guy. But as this feud went on,
1:23:48
I'll give it to Finn Balor. He did a good job of making himself
1:23:53
credible as somebody who could legitimately win the title, so much so that I
1:23:59
actually he picked him to win. I thought Finn was actually gonna come out
1:24:02
on top in this match. He did not, all right, he didn't
1:24:10
come out on So what I had was put money on it. I was
1:24:14
searching because tenn was like plus two fifty or something like that. I said
1:24:18
a fun one hundred bucks on just for ships and gegs. Glad I didn't.
1:24:23
Yeah, yeah, Like, honestly, I'm actually surprised that Seth won
1:24:28
this match given what we heard about Seth and like the nagging injuries and such
1:24:32
beforehand, and the things that have been going on with the Judgment Day storyline
1:24:38
and a tension between Finn Balor and Damian Priest, Like I was almost certain
1:24:43
that they were all that was gonna come to ahead in this match and result
1:24:47
in Seth Rollins losing the title. But he managed to come out on top
1:24:54
and uh be the opportunists that we all know him to be. And the
1:25:00
match yourself overall was a good match. It actually was a good match.
1:25:04
I think this match was better than the match we got before between uh oh
1:25:10
shit, fucking Shane Basil coming out look like they do it all right,
1:25:13
but uh look this shiners. I don't know if that's legit or not,
1:25:18
but they got her. I'll beat up, ye said. She got a
1:25:23
little lip to her as well. Almost she's selling that or that's just well.
1:25:29
Becky commented on it, just like you look at rough, I think
1:25:31
that's a legit black guy manas amazingly it looks even more fucked up. Oh
1:25:40
yeah, that's legit. That that's that's a legit puffiness and swelling guy.
1:25:45
Maybe they hit each other a little harder than we thought. All Right,
1:25:49
I'm gonna come back to the match in the Medicus. I'm kind of genuinely
1:25:51
interested in seeing what Shanda Basiler is gonna say and where this little trio it's
1:25:57
unlikely trio of wrestlers in the ring, and where this is gonna go?
1:26:03
Uh oh real quick? Uh? Did you guys see what Seth Rollins was
1:26:09
wearing when he came out for that for that match? He had long ass
1:26:14
robe or whatever? The fun because I was maybe it's because like how how
1:26:17
much I was drinking into this pay per view. He looked like like one
1:26:23
of those big dragons he was seating parades he I did. He was like
1:26:28
fluffy as shit. Did he have like this long jacket? Looks funny as
1:26:30
hell? But you know that's Seth Rollins. You know he only wears these
1:26:35
outfits, you know, most of these outfits. Like once the next payer
1:26:40
of view, it's something else. I don't know what he does with them
1:26:42
all. Well, he apparently saves them because he had the same vest he
1:26:46
wore a Summer Slam was it seven years ago? Yeah? When he beat
1:26:51
or when Finn beat him rather oh very clever. I will admit I was
1:26:59
partially distracted during some of the match just because I saw uh with sets outfit
1:27:05
ye and I saw the shoes that he matched off, like, Yo,
1:27:08
what the fuck kind of shoes of those? Where the hell are they?
1:27:11
So miss For some of the match, I was online googling, like t
1:27:15
y R tired, who the fuck are the shoes? And I looked him
1:27:16
up and ship apparently some pretty decent shoes. Hell up over priced though,
1:27:21
but it is what it is. Apparently I didn't see those exact shoes that
1:27:26
he wore, so I don't know if he got them joints custom made or
1:27:28
if they were a limited run or something like that. But either way,
1:27:31
the drip God continued because Yeah, aside that, that rod was definitely kind
1:27:38
of wild and over the top and a bit unexpected, like sometimes he couldn't
1:27:44
he tends to do things to like troll. Well he did. He did
1:27:46
do the things to kind of troll it. Whoever his oppony was because he
1:27:50
had the vest that he wore yeah when when he last faced fan, So
1:27:58
yeah he did do that, which is still Yeah, that road was that
1:28:04
was. That was a lot. But anyway, back to the match yourself,
1:28:08
Like I said, I thought this was a good match. I thought
1:28:10
it was actually better than the Gunzer Drew McIntire match that we had beforehand,
1:28:17
which is kind of what you want to see in a paper for you You
1:28:19
kind of want to see things just gradually elevate and go up. So,
1:28:26
like I said, these are two top tier performers. We all know,
1:28:30
we know, we know what they're capable of in the ring, and their
1:28:31
first match was kind of a letdown. Honestly, we kind of thought we
1:28:36
were going to get a better match the first time around. Like what we
1:28:41
got this time it is kind of what we thought we were going to get
1:28:43
the first time around. But looking at it in retrospect, I guess you
1:28:46
can kind of see what they were doing. You know, they held back
1:28:48
a little bit the first time around to kind of leave some meat on the
1:28:51
bone for Summer Slam. So this time around they both really brought it and
1:28:58
including a good amount of ringing psychology and a good number of callbacks to their
1:29:02
previous matches with you know, the buckle bombs and uh Seth turning the table
1:29:09
no Finn turning into tables on Seth and throwing him into the guard rail in
1:29:15
the same way that Seth did him previously, which resulted in his injury.
1:29:18
So they definitely put some thought into this match, and it showed, and
1:29:23
like I said, I thought it was a good match. The I almost
1:29:28
wish that Judgment Day hadn't interfered in it because the match was going so good.
1:29:31
I kind of just wanted to clean finish, but you know, obviously
1:29:34
weren't going to get that right or at the very least, I wish they
1:29:41
I kind of wish they would have maybe just left it to Damien and not
1:29:45
brought out domin Ria because you know, don really didn't do shit, but
1:29:50
get stole on. Ria did her typical you know, jump up and distract
1:29:58
the referee thing. You know, I guess you know, this justment that
1:30:00
you gotta get him all on the show some one way or the other,
1:30:02
especially if he is not going to have a match. So it is what
1:30:06
it is. But the finish itself was probably where the the story really is
1:30:15
at is in the finish, at least moving forward in terms of Damien and
1:30:19
Finn bickering back and forth over what to do, and then Damien seemingly just
1:30:26
throwing the briefcase and the rank seemingly out of frustration. I don't know if
1:30:30
he did out of frustration or he did it begrudgingly they're going to distract the
1:30:33
ref and Finn thinking he's gonna seize the opportunity only to get stomped out on
1:30:38
it and lose. And that looked at Damien gave him afterwards. Who that's
1:30:45
gonna be one that's gonna be a meme for a while, and that's gonna
1:30:47
be an image that we are going to repeatedly see regardless of what direction this
1:30:54
feud goes or these whole storyline goals going forward, because that looked that Damian
1:30:59
gave him him was a You can interpret that any number of ways. I
1:31:04
think it remains to be seeing what he was actually thinking, because I kind
1:31:10
of took it as him looking at him as you ain't it You're you're not
1:31:15
the guy to lead us, because that kind of even though they don't really
1:31:21
you know, they don't really act like they have a dedicated leader, like
1:31:26
sometimes rare Plea acts like she's the leader. Sometimes Damien seems to take the
1:31:30
forefront, and sometimes Finn steps to the forefront of the leader. It kind
1:31:34
of based on how they were later. Yeah, yeah, almost never the
1:31:39
leader. Even though he he did an MVP at a group right now,
1:31:42
he'd go I said it and man putting in at work. But the way
1:31:48
they were booked, they've more or less been booked as if Finn Balor was
1:31:53
the alpha of the group, like he was the top guy, because I
1:31:55
was, he's the one in the championship pitcher. But that looked at that
1:31:59
Damian Priest gave him was like you aside from a disappointment, it was also
1:32:03
like that. I kind of read into it, like I said, that
1:32:08
look of you ain't it you you ain't You didn't live up to weight,
1:32:14
And I think that might result in Damien maybe taking Finn out. We shall
1:32:20
see, but uh wait, what are your thoughts on the match? We'll
1:32:24
talk about two guys who are going to keep the momentum of this fucking pay
1:32:28
per view going, you know, having to follow Gunther and Drew McIntire having
1:32:32
to follow that match. I mean, these are two guys who are gonna
1:32:36
do it, Finn and Seth. Like you said it was, it was
1:32:40
a really solid match, back and forth all the way up until judgment day
1:32:45
had involved like they never lets you have it do that, then they let
1:32:51
you get a little taste of it that hey, this might be a clean
1:32:56
match and a good fucking one, but nope, they have to have Even
1:33:00
with all the help of the Judgment Day, Finnbaler still wasn't able to pull
1:33:03
it off. You know. Now he definitely looks like the weak link in
1:33:08
the in the group, right, I mean, this guy couldn't put away
1:33:12
seth Rollins. He couldn't bring back the world title to the Judgment Day,
1:33:15
you know, Like you know, Damien has a briefcase. He Dominic has
1:33:19
the North American Day, he has his momentum going forward, and Ria having
1:33:25
the women's title. But what does Finn have? He has fucking nothing now,
1:33:30
So I think you know, we saw Edge got kicked out of the
1:33:33
Judgment Day. When is it time to release Finn Balor and let him go
1:33:39
face, let him do do something else, because I don't know what his
1:33:44
what his direction is going to be after this. Maybe him and Grayson Yeah,
1:33:51
yeah, they're currently Finn Balor's backstage talking to Damian Priest And is that
1:33:58
Grayson Waller? No, Jason Dunham, Yeah, isn't that the guy that
1:34:05
was rumored a while back to possibly be joining Yeah, here's the other Irish
1:34:09
guy like Finn is like his mentor. Yeah, Finn was talking to one
1:34:14
backstage a couple of times, and then they just kind of dropped it for
1:34:16
a month. But now he's back. I don't know, Yeah, I
1:34:21
see, you know, Finn getting booted out. Maybe his next feud is
1:34:27
with the Seeds are being planned for him and Damien Priest, so that could
1:34:31
be a feud we could see here coming up. But as for Seth Rollins,
1:34:39
you know, now he can move on from this feud seven years.
1:34:44
It's nice to watch both of these matches. If you just want to watch
1:34:46
the matches, go back and watch it back to back. I mean,
1:34:50
it is a nice little story, massive fucking gap, you know, seven
1:34:55
years, uh, leading all up to this, But I do love when
1:35:00
Seth Rollans be's. You know, he's a little cheeky with his fucking outfits.
1:35:03
He always has his unique way of doing that. But you know,
1:35:11
it just sucked that with all of that cheating and having help from your stable
1:35:17
and you still weren't able to pull off the world heavyweight title. Uh it's
1:35:25
crazy, crazy, right you think Seth Roleans definitely would have lost. This
1:35:29
is the judgment tak him out. But no, yeah, all that all
1:35:38
that cheating and still losing is never a good sign for a Heel. No.
1:35:45
Yeah, I mean I thought it was a good enough match, but
1:35:47
nothing special. Uh yeah, tough tough spot being slotted after gun through and
1:35:54
drew. But I mean it was kind of a kind of a lack of
1:36:00
great matches on this card, so I mean it kind of didn't really matter
1:36:03
where it slotted in. I guess one of the rare matches on the card
1:36:09
that like felt like it was the right length of time. It was a
1:36:12
little over eighteen minutes, right, didn't seem didn't seem too short. I
1:36:17
guess the judgment day is just gonna overshadow every match they are involved in until
1:36:24
that either the briefcase goes away or the stable breaks up or something. It's
1:36:30
just like it is kind of just getting a little tired some Yeah. Something
1:36:33
I think Wayne said just like just leave him, you know, like saying
1:36:38
that, you know, even for things to just go do the stay in
1:36:41
the back. I got this myself kind of thing. You know. It
1:36:45
is kind of annoying just seeing them constantly interfere, but I guess that's what
1:36:48
Heel stables do. Yeah, I mean it was it was good. I
1:36:55
think that some of the promos actually were better than the match itself though that
1:37:00
Finn cut that one promo where it was just him staring into the camera and
1:37:05
they kind of like played with the lighting and stuff a little bit. That
1:37:08
was a great promo. The two of them. They were in like a
1:37:11
locker room, I think, right, and they were kind they went face
1:37:15
to face. That was a great promo. Seth kind of dropped his little
1:37:18
arn'tight weird stick and kind of went back to like, I'm being fucking serious
1:37:23
here. So it was a good food just I mean, I think he
1:37:28
expects so much from the two of them that, you know, it's real
1:37:30
hard for them to give you what you're expecting, you know, So I
1:37:35
think I think they definitely uh fell under the weight of expectation a little bit.
1:37:42
But yeah, yeah, I could see that big. You know,
1:37:45
with guys of this caliber, you could almost expect like a WrestleMania level match
1:37:48
from them every single time. It's just not gonna happen, right, They
1:37:53
can't do that because if they give you that every single time, then you
1:37:56
know, what's there's nowhere to go. Yeah, there's nowhere to go if
1:38:00
you do that every single time. So yeah, like I said, I
1:38:01
think that's kind of what I alluded to with, you know, their first
1:38:04
matching in this one. You know, they left meat on the bone in
1:38:08
order to continue moving forward, And now I don't know if we're gonna get
1:38:13
I don't think we need to see this a third time, right, Yeah,
1:38:15
exactly what I'm saying. No, I don't know if we're gonna get
1:38:17
a third one, highly doubt that. I think I think things are gonna
1:38:21
turn inward. And they with the Judgment Day moving forward, especially with how
1:38:27
this promo just went with them backstage on Raw with Priests and Balord basically being
1:38:33
in each other's face with a whole lot of tension, and then Ria Ripley
1:38:36
jumped in to try to break it up and talk to them and tell them,
1:38:41
you know, we need to get back on the same page so we
1:38:42
can continue to dominate Monday Night Raw and all that stuff, and they kind
1:38:47
of said like, yeah, yeah, we're cool whatever, But nah,
1:38:53
everything everything she said to them with kind of in one ear and out the
1:38:56
other, like there's definitely still tension there. And now they ventured to the
1:39:00
X factor of whoever the hell that guy is J d Irishman. Yeah,
1:39:08
j D. I'll just call him that for now until I see him enough
1:39:11
times to remember his name. No, JD mcdonnaugh or something like that.
1:39:15
Yeah, So yeah, it seems like he's gonna be I don't know if
1:39:19
he's gonna be manipulating, getting inside Finn Balor's head to cause Finn to do
1:39:25
something, or if he's going to be like a little instigator and just pitting
1:39:29
the two against each other until they eventually hit a breaking point. And then
1:39:32
maybe he sees that opportunity to take a leadership role himself, which would seem
1:39:39
kind of weird that the new guy suddenly comes in and becomes a leader of
1:39:42
already established faction. But I don't know. Anyway, we'll see where it
1:39:45
goes from there. It's a it's a new element, So maybe they're taking
1:39:50
some pages from the boot line and learning how to do some long form storytelling
1:39:55
by introducing new elements and new wrinkles here and there in order to keep bit
1:40:00
interesting. But uh, any final thoughts on the World Heweight Championship match.
1:40:04
No, I do like the Mike's hard lemonade add that they do after this
1:40:11
though, Do you guys remember what they did? Oh? It did it
1:40:21
involve Bianca Alpha Academy And they yeah, oh yeah yeah in a box like
1:40:30
a sound box, and they closed it and I was just like, oh
1:40:32
yeah, yeah, I'd be freaking the fuck out, But yeah, I
1:40:39
thought that was funny. You know, WW wrestlers doing ads mid show.
1:40:45
Yeah, a live commercial mid show. That's how you bring that money.
1:40:50
You Speaking of Bianca's entrance, Bianca's entrance was a commercial. It's just like
1:40:58
Jesus Christ really with the C for yeah, yeah, gotta pay them bills
1:41:05
somehow. The referees have ads on their their T shirts or their their shirts
1:41:13
take Triple A has the referees haven't haven't advertisement on them? They might.
1:41:21
Yeah. So that leads us right into what was our next match, which
1:41:26
was the w W Women's Championship Triple Threat batch featuring Oscar versus Bianca bel Lair
1:41:31
versus Charlotte Flair. And this match honestly kind of disappointed me. This match
1:41:43
was underwhelming. I expected this match to be better than what it was.
1:41:47
It was because, one, we know all three of these women can compete.
1:41:51
We know they all can go in the ring, So it's not a
1:41:54
It's not for lack of talent. I think just some of the expectations.
1:41:59
I think it's fell below my expectations. I think some of the work was
1:42:02
a bit slow and a little bit not as smooth as it could have been.
1:42:09
That it wasn't there was a lack of polished to some of the moves
1:42:12
that were and some of the execution, and it all just kind of dragged
1:42:18
the crowd. Damn schul didn't seem into it, which is kind of weird
1:42:21
because ain't, at least in my opinion, didn't feel like enough had happened
1:42:28
on this pay per view too have like you know, really sucked the energy
1:42:30
out of the crowd, at least from not from my perspective. I don't
1:42:33
know if this is a product of just how long the pay per view had
1:42:38
gone up until this point, if anything, I think that may have been
1:42:42
contributed. Some of it was just the pacing of the show overall, because
1:42:46
this is the next to last match of the night and we're already I think
1:42:49
by the time this match happened, well over three hours in Yeah, all
1:42:55
the downtime I think didn't right. Yeah, so I think the crowd was
1:43:00
just starting to get like legitimately tired at this point, like people might have
1:43:04
been looking at the watch, it's like, motherfuck is eleven o'clock? What
1:43:08
the hell? Oh dude, I totally forgot to like how late the pay
1:43:13
per view was running because it was it was running so late, like we
1:43:16
were accustomed pay per views being over at like maybe eleven. We got spoiled
1:43:25
with the afternoon guys, the last couple of ones. Yeah, maybe that
1:43:29
maybe that was part of the factor too. Yeah, yeah, you know,
1:43:34
this match was twenty minutes long, and uh, you know, I
1:43:39
did like the long ramp in the arena. I always like when they have
1:43:43
the opportunity to do like better entrances with the long ramp, having music play
1:43:47
out more. But you know, it comes with a price. Entrances take
1:43:51
forever. I mean, we'll talk about it, but the main event,
1:43:56
the entrances took forever for so yeah, like I said, you know,
1:44:05
back back to the to the match, like it didn't really have a whole
1:44:10
lot of flow to it, Like there was some there were good moments here
1:44:13
and there with you know, the women getting off some signature moves and things
1:44:17
here and there, but it just wasn't very cohesive. It just felt like,
1:44:23
all right, we're gonna go to this spot and then get to this
1:44:26
spot, and like the execution was just really kind of sloppy. The match
1:44:30
really for me, didn't pick up until Bianca got injured quote unquote in the
1:44:38
match when she took that Yeah, she took that narrowly freaking bump on the
1:44:42
outside, which credit to them for the angle of it, Yeah, because
1:44:45
I'm pretty sure she didn't actually hit her knees on it, but the way
1:44:50
the but the angle that they shot it at and the sound that we heard
1:44:54
made it a look like this she absolutely wrecked her ship when she felt may
1:45:00
have been a reference to uh, because that's the same thing that happened to
1:45:04
Sasha almost exactly or I'm sorry Mercedes mone uh because she just broke her leg
1:45:12
doing almost the exact same thing. So I was wondering if it was kind
1:45:15
of like a like, I don't know, a reference to that. Possibly
1:45:23
maybe if somebody back there is really savvy and keeping an eye on the indie
1:45:27
scene or the scene outside of w W, and they're like, damn,
1:45:30
that was a cool spot and we could use that. I wouldn't put it
1:45:32
past WW and their and their bookers, but uh, yeah, like I
1:45:36
said. For me, that's when the match kind of picked up because,
1:45:40
like I said, that gnarly spot and then the way she sold it afterwards,
1:45:42
I was like, oh shit, Like for a half second I thought
1:45:45
she was legitimately fucked up, and then as quickly as I bought into it,
1:45:51
I almost just quickly realized, oh no, this is fake. This,
1:45:57
This is a total kfab injury. Because, for one, if some
1:46:00
body's really fucked their leg up that bad, don't let them walk out under
1:46:02
their own power unless their names make FOLDI I think even they even put mckfolio
1:46:10
on a stret stretcher before, so like the moment she was walking, especially
1:46:15
a leg injury like, and they really put some thought into it. They
1:46:18
could have done this a little bit better and really sold the legitimacy of the
1:46:24
seeming legitimacy of it. They could have had those people out there put her
1:46:28
in an air cast, put her on, set her up on a stretcher,
1:46:31
carry her to the back, and then she could come out from the
1:46:34
back, and then it looks more believable, like, Okay, she's making
1:46:38
the heroes come back in return, not her walking, and then at one
1:46:42
point visibly looking back at the ring to see is it her queue yet,
1:46:47
and then just to come back later like they had me and they lost me.
1:46:53
But once she did come back into the ring and for the finish,
1:46:58
that was the best. From there on, the match was great. She
1:47:01
comes back in the ring and you know, has her heroes come back,
1:47:05
which isn't gonna do anything to quiet the super senior comparisons that she gets.
1:47:10
But she hit that. She still hit that four or fifty splash on Charlotte
1:47:15
while she was in the middle of the figure eight on Oscar, which was
1:47:16
a dope spot. And then as thought, it was a really great finish,
1:47:21
which I was surprised that Bianca won the match because I honestly did not
1:47:26
see that coming. I didn't think they were gonna but she was gonna win.
1:47:29
So when she wait, when she was had, I'm trying to remember
1:47:35
what Charlotte didn't. Did Charlotte have her in the figure eight? Yeah?
1:47:41
Yeah, yeah, Charlotte had Bianca in the figure eight. Oscar came in,
1:47:44
sprayed the mists in Charlotte's face, then tried to attack Bianca. Bianca
1:47:49
ducked the kick and pulled her down for a roll up and got the three
1:47:54
count, which I thought was again a hell of creative finish and surprised the
1:47:58
ship out of me. I was like, damn. They actually put the
1:48:00
title back on Bianca and then answered Yo Sky to cash in, and it
1:48:09
was like, oh shit, here we go. And then you pretty much
1:48:14
knew EO Sky's gonna win, and she damceled did. I liked that it
1:48:19
wasn't just Io coming out by herself to cash in. I liked that she
1:48:24
came out and then handed the briefcase to Bailey, and Bailey just immediately took
1:48:29
out Charlotte and Oscar with the briefcase and whaled on her before giving it back
1:48:33
to EO to cash in. I liked that spot, and then like obviously,
1:48:38
EO just very quickly finished off. Bianca got the three count and our
1:48:43
new excuse me, our new WWE Women's Champion EO Sky. I liked it.
1:48:50
I'm here for it. So what do you think of it? Yeah,
1:48:55
First of all, back to the entrances that might have been the coolest
1:48:59
Maska ever had. Uh that thing was cool as shit. It was.
1:49:04
I like this match a lot. It did suffer a little bit from what
1:49:09
I always complained about triple threat formula syndrome, but not terribly. So I
1:49:14
feel like Oscar is in a ton of triple threat matches. Does anyone else?
1:49:17
Am I crazy? I feel like she seems like she's in triple threats
1:49:20
a lot, and she's pretty good at it. She's like pretty good with
1:49:25
She's like a good glue person. She kind of holding together. Well.
1:49:30
Yeah, she always delivers. Oh yeah again, but not quite as good
1:49:40
as I had hoped. But at least there's some freshening up with the women's
1:49:44
division a little bit maybe. Uh. You know, Oscar and Bianca both
1:49:47
legitimately have claims to the title. Now we got a first time champion.
1:49:51
We've got Carrie Sane on the dirt. Sheats just saying she's coming back,
1:49:56
not quite sure when, but she might inject some fresh life into things.
1:50:01
I mean, she could presumably step right into a program with Oscar and Eou
1:50:05
if you want to have three Japanese lady's fighting instead of two. Yeah,
1:50:12
it was cool that they brought out Dakota Kai, even though she's still not
1:50:15
ready to wrestle yet, but just for her to be there. UH.
1:50:18
Damage Control debuted last year at UH Summer Slam. So it's kind of like
1:50:25
a nice full circle moment. Uh. Yeah, I wasn't wasn't shocked that
1:50:30
EO cashed in. I was surprised that Bianca won the title and then had
1:50:34
a stripped. I guess she now maybe has the longest and shortest title ran
1:50:41
in the modern era. Yeah, but the shortest one still isn't this one
1:50:46
Summer Yeah, is still shorter at twenty six seconds. I think this one
1:50:51
was a little over a minute, was it? Oh? Yeah, because
1:50:56
it took so goddamn long to get right. Yeah, that's a good point.
1:51:04
But yeah, I thought it was fun, fun enough, and I'm
1:51:08
being really interesting to see where EO goes is champion. You mentioned the spot
1:51:11
where Bailey took the briefcase. I go out, here's where Bailey fuction up.
1:51:16
So yeah, I'm interested to see where where they're going from here.
1:51:20
Uh. It's nice to have somebody knew with the belt that hasn't had it
1:51:26
before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, see what you agree? Yeah,
1:51:29
I sorry for that, oh in the middle of you talking, but I
1:51:30
have about too, right, it's Sammy Zaine's elbow, right, Yeah,
1:51:36
I plance over rang and I just see J D mcdonna stand over Sammy Zane.
1:51:41
He's laid out holding his arm and they closed in on his elbow and
1:51:43
I was like, oh, what the fuck? Yes, Samy Zaine got
1:51:46
jumped backstage and it looked like his elbow was like popped out, like it
1:51:51
was like a baseball like. I was like, that's it looked gnarly.
1:51:58
Yeah. Yeah, I'm like I because there was no delay there, because
1:52:04
you saw it exactly the same time I saw it. Yeah, I was
1:52:10
like, I don't like, if Sammy's ain't double joined, is he able
1:52:13
to just pop his elbow off the socket and make it look like that,
1:52:15
or did the spot go wrong and he did he actually get fucked up when
1:52:19
he wasn't supposed to get sucked up or what. I don't know, but
1:52:23
either way, that should looked nasty. I didn't even see. I'm pretty
1:52:29
sure they'll show it again when they come back from commercial. They will.
1:52:32
Now my thing is, are they so are they now gonna write Sammy off
1:52:38
TV with an injury at the same time as Ko as a way to get
1:52:42
the titles off of them or a way to take the titles out of people's
1:52:45
mind because both champs are injured and now the we're just gonna add like the
1:52:49
tag titles don't exist. Like, I don't get it. It's gonna be
1:52:55
rough if they both sets of tag titles held up with injuries. Yeah right,
1:53:00
it's right now, the titled curse. It seems like they can't do
1:53:03
anything right with the tag to tag Team division because it's if they ended up,
1:53:10
if they end up having a strip Ko and Sammy, that might be
1:53:14
a good way to split up the titles. There you go. Yeah,
1:53:16
if they write them out with both being injury injured, which yeah, yeah,
1:53:21
that does look pretty fucking narly. Yeah, yeah, you know,
1:53:27
Ko being legitimately injured and Sammy's aid and being supposedly kfeb injured because I guess,
1:53:32
I don't know. Maybe they're like, we don't want to break you
1:53:34
two up, and we don't I can understand it. You know, if
1:53:38
they don't want to break up Ko and Sammy's ain't yet and they don't want
1:53:41
Sammy to go on a singles run while Ko is out and supposedly, you
1:53:45
know, possibly you know, him getting too much momentium as a single star
1:53:50
to where they can't pair him back up with Ko. Whenever Ko comes back
1:53:54
from injury, So maybe they made decision like, you know what, if
1:53:57
one of youse out, we'll just take you both out for this I'm being
1:54:00
But again, if they do that, if they're going down that route,
1:54:02
that still raises the questions of the tag team titles and what the fuck are
1:54:06
you going to do with them? Uh? Huh? Did you know this
1:54:12
year's Summer Slam was the most social in history, with over two hundred and
1:54:15
thirty million views and four million hours of video consumed. H really just four
1:54:26
million? He said, four million hours of video consumed consumed, Yeah,
1:54:32
but only only two points or one point eight of it is actually wrestling,
1:54:38
right, Yes, that would make it probably well, if that's case,
1:54:43
then that would make Summer Slam the second most popular video from this weekend.
1:54:47
If you know, you know, that's all I know exactly. That guy
1:54:54
they bought him new boots. Bought that dude new boots. Yep, yep,
1:55:00
yep. But uh, I'll just leave that right there where it's at.
1:55:06
We will move on to the final match of the night, and that
1:55:13
was Tribal Combat for the undisputed WWE Universal Championship, Roman Reigns defending against main
1:55:25
event Jay Usso and as I've said before and we'll continue to say with this
1:55:33
match, it's with the bloodline stuff. It's not really about the match itself.
1:55:41
It's about the story that gets told sometime during or after the match,
1:55:47
because the match yourself was just okay. It was okay match. It was
1:55:54
a good match. You know. Roman Reigns was dominant, beating the crap
1:55:57
out of Jay. Jay getting whalked up on. Jay started to get a
1:56:00
little bit of offense, the Romans put him back down. Jay takes morass
1:56:06
whooping. Jay tries to get a seemingly legitimate comeback happening, and enter Solo
1:56:15
to shut that ship down. And then because it's travel combat, there's no
1:56:20
DQ so they were able to just go ham on Jay for a while,
1:56:26
even taking it out to the outside, which was kind of odd choice for
1:56:30
this match that it went into the crowd. I kind of didn't see that
1:56:35
coming in. It kind of seemed, well, I don't know, a
1:56:38
little weird, not a place for this that it went into the crowd,
1:56:40
at least at this point in the match, But it happened, and Solo
1:56:44
put Jay through a table, and some fan really got into it and felt
1:56:50
like the world needed to hear him say how dare you and such to the
1:56:56
Roman and try to offer Jay a motivational beach. And in that moment,
1:57:00
I just kind of really wish that some other fan would have just looked at
1:57:03
him and said, man, if you don't shut the fuck up, what
1:57:10
really The idea of Ludwood Kaiser versus otis right now on Monday Night Row talking
1:57:15
about two guys who could do something interesting. Oh yeah, it's good.
1:57:23
Potentially this could make for a pretty decent match. So, I mean,
1:57:28
I guess Alpha Academy is gonna be the guys uh BeFAN Wooden period, which
1:57:32
kind of leaves uh oldest and an unenviewable spot because I guess he has to
1:57:36
deal with both Luvic Kaiser and uh Giovanni. But it is what it is.
1:57:45
We'll see what happens with this few. I'm pretty sure. I don't
1:57:47
know when, uh when Chad's supposed to get his interkindental title match. They
1:57:53
need another member of their group, Yeah they do. Alpha Academy needs a
1:57:58
third let me let me kick to you. The idea of Shelton Benjamin see
1:58:09
no, no, no third member of Alpha Academy. I could see it
1:58:15
My problem with that is that Shelton is too much of a veteran to be
1:58:20
and a underling of Chad. We it's supposed to be rehashing the all thing
1:58:27
like it made sense. He already did that when he was part of the
1:58:30
World's Greatest tag team with Charlie Hoss when they were apprentices of you know,
1:58:34
seemingly apprentices of Kurt Angles. If he goes into Alpha Academy, what what
1:58:41
role is he? What is he learning from Chad Gable, somebody who he
1:58:45
has way more experienced in and damn sure way more tenure. Like I don't
1:58:50
really like that for Shelton Benjamin, him becoming a a a subservient or whatever
1:58:57
to to Chad, who was obviously the leader of it. Like, I'm
1:59:02
not with that. If they want to recruit somebody that, maybe, you
1:59:05
know, I'd be more interested seeing them maybe reached down to NXT and maybe
1:59:10
call up some of the chase you people, I'm just trying to help.
1:59:14
Shouting Benjamin out man. You know he ain't doing well. The guy ever,
1:59:19
maybe we have. I've said my piece on that before, So yeah,
1:59:26
I'm just guys, if I was a writer anything, No, No,
1:59:30
we're not doing that story. That's fucking stupid. These Shelton venturing down
1:59:33
in the in the the house shows. No, I'm not saying him down
1:59:39
in the house shows, but at this point, I mean, I don't
1:59:45
know what how much hope they're early. I mean, I'm gonna help,
1:59:46
but you know, Shelton Benjamin is kind of at that point where he's just
1:59:49
gonna keep going probably where he's at until he decides to just retire. It's
1:59:57
shameful and sad. I think he deserves better. If if he was gonna
2:00:00
get any type of final resurgence, maybe it would be with whatever Bobby Lashley's
2:00:05
got going on with the Street Profits. Maybe if like Shelton Benjamin and Chad
2:00:11
Gable showed up like, oh, oh, you're just gonna reform to hurt
2:00:14
business and and forget about us or whatever, which and then they'd get used
2:00:18
to basically him and him and uh uh Cechra Alexander get into a small beef
2:00:25
with the Street Profits or what have you, which ultimately they would end up
2:00:30
jobbing out to which again I don't mind for Shelton Benjamin, but I kind
2:00:31
of don't like for Cea Alexander. But I don't know it kind of yeah,
2:00:40
you did so far away from the quest, you bring up Shelton Benjamin
2:00:45
and got damn it. I gotta go on the rent because yeah, So
2:00:53
back to what the hell we were talking about in the first damn place,
2:00:56
which was the main event, tribal combat. Again, the match itself was
2:01:01
what it was. The real talk of this match is what happened at the
2:01:05
very end where Jay had made his comeback. Seemed like he was poised to
2:01:13
win. Hit freaking Roman with the with the spear after Roman and Solo seemingly
2:01:21
had a little bit of a tiff outside after Roman had hit Solo with a
2:01:26
spear earlier and Solo was up in the Roman's face like, hey, motherfucker,
2:01:30
that spear hurt earlier. What the fuck? But again, Jay seemingly
2:01:34
had it. He had the spear, he had the USO splash on top,
2:01:38
ready for the one, the two and get your ass about that ring
2:01:44
dragged out Byron, who none other than his own brother Jimmy it to bruteerever
2:01:53
the fuck that saying goes. Yep, Jimmy turned on own Jay and Roman
2:02:01
won to remain tribal chief in Champion. But Jimmy turned on Jay. My
2:02:09
question to y'all, why yeah, travel chief, the elders, they probably
2:02:16
said he had to man. The story continues. God damn it, none
2:02:20
of them. I didn't see this one coming, you know, why why
2:02:26
I want answers and it seems like he just doesn't want it an ass wopen,
2:02:30
you know, But it seems like Jimmy's always been the one to avoid
2:02:35
the real ass wepen. It's always been Jay Jason, always been taking the
2:02:39
ass weopons from from rains. It seems like it's to stay one. So
2:02:43
Jimmy always bends the knee. You know, when he came back from injury,
2:02:46
he bend the knee pretty quickly joined the bloodline and it put up much
2:02:50
of her resistance. So I guess it continues. The you know, looks
2:02:57
like the tribal chief has some very worry wants him right under his foot.
2:03:02
So, dude, this match was thirty six minutes long, five in five
2:03:12
seconds? How long if that was Entrance, probably fucking ten ten minutes solid
2:03:17
of just Entrance and Piro and more slow walking and walking around the ring before
2:03:26
we're even having lock ups, like just so much so I swear Roman Steam
2:03:30
played at least three times. Yeah, it was just ridiculous. And by
2:03:35
this time I forget how yet it was in the night. I'm just like
2:03:40
I've been drinking. I'm just like, please God, let this just wrap
2:03:43
up quickly. You know, it was very slow in the very beginning,
2:03:49
very slow. It took a while for this match to pick out, but
2:03:53
you know, it delivered and it ending and it finished that we didn't really
2:03:59
see, uh weapons involved. I think you need one was the strap.
2:04:05
I liked when he was whipping the ship out of Roman with the strap.
2:04:09
I thought that was pretty looks like sung uh you know, a couple of
2:04:16
table spots, but you know, still steps involved and what have you and
2:04:23
Solo co I getting involved. Finally, it seemed like for a while he
2:04:28
Roman really didn't need all that much help to retain his title in many no
2:04:34
other fuse he's had, but still actually had to step in and really fucking
2:04:43
help him. It seemed like Jay definitely had this. But will we ever
2:04:47
get a serious, clean one on one with these two? I don't think
2:04:54
so. So are we actually going to get the feud of Jimmy versus Jay?
2:04:58
Finally, Bo give us Survivor Series. Yeah, I don't know,
2:05:03
but oh, we're almost certain we're certainly getting Emmy versus Jay. The only
2:05:09
question is when and for how long? Pay Back Thanks pay per view.
2:05:14
That's so quick. Yeah, yeah, that is kind of my thinking as
2:05:20
well. I do kind of think that we're probably going to get it at
2:05:25
Payback, because I don't think they can pull off a like a Bretton Owen
2:05:30
thing where those they were beef in and they managed to hold that match all
2:05:34
the way until WrestleMania before they actually finally locked up and had the match,
2:05:39
and they only had four pay per views back then on that right exactly,
2:05:42
Yes, I don't. I don't think you can you can drag this out
2:05:45
that long like we're I think we may get a Jimmy versus Jay at WrestleMania.
2:05:51
But if that happens, it won't be their first match. Yeah,
2:05:55
It'll probably be maybe like the third match. It'll be the maybe the rubber
2:05:59
match, presuming that's assuming that this few runs, this even last this long
2:06:04
between Jimmy and Jay. But that makes me seen But I'm with you to
2:06:08
all. I do think we're almost going to get them to it Payback.
2:06:14
Oh yeah, but what are your thoughts on it? Yeah, I mean
2:06:18
I think I think jealousy is clearly going to be the why Jimmy why uh
2:06:26
Uh. They're gonna have to give some nuance to that because it kind of
2:06:29
doesn't really make that much sense. Uh. But I did pick that to
2:06:33
happen because somebody had to interfere and he was really the only person. Although
2:06:39
I thought that Solo would also turn and it looks like he's going there,
2:06:43
though I'm not sure it's clear that Jimmy is back on the team because he
2:06:48
didn't leave with Roman and Hayman. Uh or he did and Solo didn't.
2:06:54
I was like, for that matter, Solo didn't leave with Roman Hammy either,
2:06:58
So that's that. I'll get a pin in that. I'll get back
2:07:00
to it. Another interesting choice, I saw like a ringside video that a
2:07:05
fan took of Jay crying his eyes out at ringside, and they didn't really
2:07:12
show that at all on TV, which I thought was interesting choice. But
2:07:17
speaking of interesting choices, why called this this is the third match? I
2:07:25
had a problem with the the Cody Ndia getting DQ, the MMA match having
2:07:30
a ten count, and this tribal combat match, which I assumed meant like
2:07:38
I didn't know what it meant. But here's the thing. Shouldn't interference by
2:07:43
from anyone be barred from tribal combat? Like shouldn't this strictly be a mano
2:07:47
amano kind of situation, Like after they did that whole head touching thing on
2:07:54
SmackDown. I was expecting like face paint and war dances and and you know,
2:08:01
you know, torches on fire and and maybe offa and SKA and Rakishi
2:08:07
at ringside and something. But this was just a no DQ match. You
2:08:13
know, there's nothing special about this at all. And it's just like why
2:08:18
you just give us why why even bother calling? This could have been so
2:08:22
different? And it said it could have been so cool. I think they
2:08:24
left so much cool shit they could have done with this on the table.
2:08:28
Uh. And it's just no matter what they did with the match, Uh,
2:08:33
it couldn't have lived up to what I think it could have been,
2:08:37
because like if if you know, like I'm thinking, like you know,
2:08:41
like in Black Panther, uh, when they're fighting, uh, you know,
2:08:46
over who's gonna you know, be the Black Panther. I was looking
2:08:50
for something like that with some pageantry, you know, and we didn't get
2:08:54
any of that, and it just it drove me fucking crazy. I kind
2:09:00
of wish, okay, good, God, go ahead. Oh I was
2:09:03
just then they made a big point, do you know, do the elders
2:09:05
know about this? It was their idea, Well, why don't we ever
2:09:07
they keep talking about the elders. Why don't we ever fucking see the elders.
2:09:11
It's rakishi, that goddamn busy that they can't get them to fly to
2:09:16
Detroit, Like seriously, yeah, the only time we've seemingly seen the elders
2:09:20
was the very first time they put that right, Yeah, they put that
2:09:24
the necklace on Roman, But like, why why continue to mention it?
2:09:31
Just like if either have the elders involved or don't you know, don't keep
2:09:35
don't keep evoking them, evoking them, evoking them and never showing them like
2:09:39
maybe they maybe in the aftermathodists the elders will be upset for a Roman for
2:09:46
making a mockery of tribal you know whatever. But it's just like I felt
2:09:52
like it should have had what do they call that? The hakka hoka hakka.
2:09:54
They us used to do it when they came out as part of their
2:09:58
entrends. Yeah, I don't top about Yeah, should have been that,
2:10:01
you know, and it wasn't. And it's just I get I get what
2:10:07
Yeah, I get what you're saying with that just a brief pause for a
2:10:09
moment. Yeah, Yeah, the the La Knight pushes in full effect because
2:10:13
he's on Raw now or he's appearing on Raw. Yeah if if he's if
2:10:18
they're putting them on multiple shows now, then yeah, La Knight pushes in
2:10:22
full effect. And it looks like seemingly his next few is possibly going to
2:10:26
be with the Miss, which is a girl, which is a great foil
2:10:31
for La Knight. Absolutely both of those two can work absolute gold on the
2:10:35
mic, and Miss has shown that he can. He can play off of
2:10:39
fucking anybody is incredible. Yeah, you can put a fucking fucking stick in
2:10:46
the ring and Miss can cut a promo with that bitch. Just think of
2:10:48
the personalities of La Knight right now, how hot he is, and just
2:10:54
the personality and the mic skills of of the Miss Miss. At any time,
2:11:00
it can be called up to make somebody look good, to buff them.
2:11:03
Because he is a former ww champion, he's a former multiple Intercontinental United
2:11:09
States and Tag Team Champion, money, debate winner, everything. Yeah,
2:11:16
I mean who else on the roster is a is a world title contender and
2:11:20
can lose the Snoop Dogg? Yeah, who could the range? And they
2:11:26
are setting the tone immediately with this promo right here, because when it makes
2:11:31
logical sists, La Knight the fast rising Star, Miss the Star automatically automatically
2:11:35
becomes jealous of the new guy who's rising up the ranks. Yep. And
2:11:41
Miss just called La Knight a flavor of the month. Yep. He's talking
2:11:48
that. Good shit, this is gonna this could make for a really fun
2:11:52
feu. Do you guys know right now currently holding the number one spot for
2:11:56
top merchandise sales, La Knight and he's like three four and five also,
2:12:03
yeah, yep, when he's one of the top sellers that that La Knight
2:12:05
shirt, but that yeah, I don't now what duration is that, Like,
2:12:09
do they do that month to month or week by week or what is
2:12:13
it? I don't know. I've been kind of following it on like a
2:12:15
month to month because for a while it's it was Cody Rhodes and Roman Reigns
2:12:20
and Stone Coat Steve Aouston's still up there, which blows my mind's number.
2:12:26
I think he was number five on that unless I think it was like but
2:12:28
Ellie and Knight was one, Roman was two, and woh, it's up
2:12:33
there right now. So yeah, they're one of the top ones about this.
2:12:35
Trying to remember what the order was the last list I saw, because
2:12:37
there were actually some so some names of theirs that I kind of did expect.
2:12:41
Ellie Knight was one, Yeah, I think Roman was two. I
2:12:46
can't remember who three and four were, but Stone Cold Steve Boston was five.
2:12:50
Yeah, trying to remember who three and four were though, but it
2:12:52
weren't. I don't know. I'm blanking on it. Yeah, but either
2:12:58
what like Ellie Knight, like him or not? He is here to fucking
2:13:03
stay. And like the fact that they they're totally disregarding the draft, like
2:13:07
fuck the draft. My grandpa l A Night on on Monday Night Raw,
2:13:09
right, because he's a SmackDown wrestler, Like what now you know after just
2:13:18
it's just weird how he said a few but I can't wait. You know.
2:13:22
That's how you know the push is in full effect. When they put
2:13:26
you on the main show, they're like, all right, cal l A
2:13:31
Night Fixed on Monday. Kind of weird. He wore a blue shirt though
2:13:35
on Raw, but well he's represented that man. Uh oh yeah. So
2:13:45
the bloodline story, I think I think I called it was several months ago.
2:13:50
I thought, Hey, this Summer Slam circling for a newso in every
2:13:54
corner match, I think that's gonna happen at Survivor Series. When I originally
2:13:58
said it, I was just kind of like wild speculation. Now on dead
2:14:01
Ship makes sense, dude, I am dead serious. So the main event
2:14:05
Survivor Series is gonna be Jay versus Jimmy versus Roman versus Solo because something's up
2:14:13
Solo. He is not on the team. He's not happy. No,
2:14:16
but where's him go? Yeah? Right, tribal chief. Now, if
2:14:24
this starts to go stale from here on out, I think we're gonna put
2:14:28
it. Look at Survivors here or not, Survivor Series, Summer Slam as,
2:14:33
the Jump the Shark moment. I don't think they've done that yet because
2:14:35
I have faith that they're gonna land the plane. Uh but if they don't,
2:14:41
I think we can look to look to Summer Slam as like when things
2:14:46
really started to unraffle. Does anyone else feel the same way. We're just
2:14:58
some as rise to l a night and I go lie. I was kind
2:15:03
of I was kind of paying attention and went to the promo because again I
2:15:11
was sorry, Yeah, I'm sorry, what was your point? What was
2:15:13
the point you're making pos your question? I guess if if this, if
2:15:18
this Bloodline story starts going stale, I think I think Summer Slam, we
2:15:22
can look back and say, like, yeah, that was the jump the
2:15:24
shark moment. That's the question I was gonna ask you all. Yeah,
2:15:28
I'm glad. I'm glad you said that, because that is the question I
2:15:31
was gonna ask because the reaction to this has kind of been a bit mixed.
2:15:35
People don't really seem to be as on board with the fact that Jimmy
2:15:39
turn. A lot of people say like it made no sense choice like all
2:15:43
that stuff. So, yeah, my questions, y'all. Do y'all think
2:15:46
this that the Bloodline storyline has jumped the shark. I'm not quite ready to
2:15:52
say that it has yet, but I do agree with you if if it
2:15:56
does, this will be the moment that we say that it jumped the shark
2:15:58
a lot. If it's gonna depend on what Jimmy says on Friday. Yes,
2:16:03
I like because if whatever he says it makes sense and it's believable,
2:16:07
Okay, sure, I get it, But if it's dumb, uh,
2:16:11
you know, if it doesn't come off for whatever reason, and we might
2:16:15
be in some trouble Eggs. Yes, I'm in You're absolutely right about that.
2:16:20
I do. I haven't idea. I see where they're probably going to
2:16:24
go. At least with the storyline moving forward, it's probably going to be
2:16:28
Jimmy and Jay beefing with each other and probably trying to pull Solo to their
2:16:33
side. It seems like Solo Solos is going to be the middle person.
2:16:37
He's going to be the the the proverbial piece that they're pulling, like they're
2:16:43
just gonna have, like, you know, his arm, trying to pull
2:16:45
him to one side or the other because he seems to not be too enamored
2:16:50
with Roman at the moment, and we know Roman ain't gonna be on TV
2:16:52
no time soon. Yeah, I'm just gonna say, outside of that Indian
2:16:56
show, maybe I don't. I don't know if we see him again until
2:16:58
Survivor series, Right, We're not gonna Roman a good while. So this
2:17:03
storyline is gonna be carried by Jimmy j and Solo right for the foreseeable future.
2:17:09
So it can't just be so Solo can't be doing nothing. So somehow
2:17:13
they're gonna be fighting over him and how well that So that's the storyline we're
2:17:20
going, but it's really up in the air on how well that's going to
2:17:24
be executed and d Doyle, it's really all going to hang on Jimmy Friday
2:17:31
and his explanation for why he turned on Jay. That's gonna set the tone
2:17:37
for this entire feud going forward. Yeah, because I mean, I mean,
2:17:43
I don't know what he's gonna say, obviously, but if it doesn't
2:17:45
land, they're gonna they're gonna be digging a hole, you know what I
2:17:48
mean. And like that, I think this is I kind of think that
2:17:54
maybe after Survivor series you might kind of see Roman on his own final and
2:18:00
maybe, you know, maybe he has a couple of wins finally where he
2:18:07
without interference, uh you know, maybe he has to fucking defend in the
2:18:11
elimination chamber and he does it, you know, and by the time Cody's
2:18:16
ready for him at WrestleMania forty, he just looks even more unstoppable than ever.
2:18:20
And that'll be even you know, a third head on the two headed
2:18:24
dragon that Cody has to slay. Now, yeah, potentially so, because
2:18:30
yeah, if if, if this ends up with Roman being isolated and being
2:18:33
a man standing on on his own, it doesn't look good for Cody.
2:18:39
If Roman goes limping in to WrestleMania barely holding onto the title, is yeah,
2:18:45
yeah, and if he doesn't have the help, he doesn't have the
2:18:48
bloodline to help keep him up, then yeah, you've got to establish Roman
2:18:52
as as the guy is. Like, yeah, bloodline maybe falling apart,
2:18:58
but I'm still a Roman motherfucking rain. The blood line story can end before
2:19:01
Roman loses the title, definitely, definitely, And like and like I said,
2:19:07
from there, he may not be the tribal chief, but he's still
2:19:09
Roman. Motherfucking reigns out. I mean, like we're gonna get Jimmy versus
2:19:15
j and then uh, you know whatever the Droma solo. But I think
2:19:20
what Doyle was saying with threat, yeah, making a triple threat and then
2:19:26
leads all the way up to Survivor series where it's a fatal four way with
2:19:30
an ouse in every corner, dude, like that, that's awesome. That's
2:19:35
the that's the ultimate pay off for the blood Line, right Survivor series.
2:19:39
I think we can agree to that. Uh maybe if that's if you're talking
2:19:46
about that being the final chapter of the blood Line where it's a fatal four
2:19:48
way for the title, and then you got going into Russell Roman by himself
2:19:54
no bloodline potentially that could potentially be a thing. I could see that and
2:20:01
that and then at that point the whole title of the only thing. The
2:20:05
only question I have about it is where there's the tribal chief aspect of it
2:20:09
play in? Does the tribal chief aspect just completely fall apart to where?
2:20:13
And you know, again that's part of the climax of this is like,
2:20:16
you know, there is no more tribe, so there's no more tribal chief
2:20:20
And that was just all four of us beefing. Yeah, it seems like
2:20:26
it's it's heading to him. Nobody seems like they're on the same page anymore.
2:20:31
I don't know who. So then that leaves the question of if that
2:20:37
is where the where this all ends. Can Jimmy and Solo stand on their
2:20:46
own as individuals? I think after what we've seen. I think we're all
2:20:50
fairly confident that Jay has established himself as a being a capable solos, capable
2:20:56
single star. Yeah, he's had the main event matches, He's performed well
2:21:01
in him and people are always gonna have that in him. And again he
2:21:05
has that Moniker made a vent Jay and nobody laughs at that Moniker like,
2:21:09
people take that serious. So he could outside of the confines of the bloodline
2:21:13
though, I think yes, and I think dave him against Cody. Do
2:21:20
you believe him against Brock? Do you believe him against bron Stroman when he
2:21:24
comes from you know what I mean? Like, oh, yeah, he
2:21:28
could. He could he what bron stroma bron don't want bron don't want them
2:21:33
problems. But against somebody like Brock or against somebody like Cody. Maybe not
2:21:41
in the first match, but I could see. I could see him in
2:21:45
the position of basically where he can get the rub from those guys and ascend.
2:21:50
I'm not saying he walks out and he's immediately a world title contender,
2:21:54
but I could see him. He can walk up to he can step up
2:21:58
to a champion and chats them and be credible, And that's something that Jimmy
2:22:03
and Solo don't necessarily have at this moment. That's what I mean when I
2:22:07
say like he's made event, Jay, He's shown it. He is the
2:22:11
performer, and I mean the man's man made event into two pay per views,
2:22:16
arguably three if you count tag team you know, with you know him
2:22:20
and Jay Man evating men Night one of him and Jimmy made Night one of
2:22:26
WrestleMania Tongue Twister. So yeah, I mean he's shown that, and like
2:22:31
I said, as a solo one added between the three of them, between
2:22:33
Jimmy, Jay and Solo, Jimmy is the one who is the most credible
2:22:37
in terms of going up to a champion and challenging them for their title.
2:22:43
Like right now, Austin three versus Jusoho you picking, oh yeah, Ja
2:22:52
Jay snatching that title off his ass. Low difficulty, low difficulty. So
2:22:58
Jay is already above mid card status at the very least. At the very
2:23:03
worst, he's top of the mid card, all right, But you know,
2:23:07
I do kind of think back and he was an old wc W guy.
2:23:11
I will remember, you know, every now and then you'd have Animal
2:23:16
would face Rick Flair for the world title. You know, what I mean,
2:23:18
And you know, really thought Animal or Hawk was actually gonna win.
2:23:22
Uh. I'm wondering if the Uzos would be the same way. Maybe not,
2:23:28
I mean certainly not Jay. I think Jay Jay obviously, I don't
2:23:33
know. I don't know if Jimmy has it in him. We'll see.
2:23:35
They're gonna split him up. You're gonna put one on SmackDown on one,
2:23:39
Yes, I did, and New Days back all the while. Nice,
2:23:45
The draft doesn't matter anymore. Were they drafted to SmackDown? I thought they
2:23:50
were on SmackDown? I can't remember. It's good to see Covid Carson back.
2:23:56
Oh yeah, yep, yep. Always get get y'all liking back on
2:24:01
Viking Raiders because'all damn shall lost that Viking match to them last time.
2:24:03
Y'all face them, get you get your leg back. That's what's up,
2:24:13
dude too. I don't know if you've ever heard any interviews with him.
2:24:16
He's such a fucking good guy. Did you guys see released I saw in
2:24:22
the news recently that Biggie may not be coming back to throwing anytime soon.
2:24:28
They said they doctors recommended that he doesn't wrestle anymore and there's been talking about
2:24:33
maybe putting him on the commentary team because right now they kind of shake things
2:24:39
up. They're putting Michael Cole on both shows in the future had more Michael
2:24:45
Cole. Yeah, yeah, because I think, uh, it didn't take
2:24:48
it didn't take, didn't take effect this week or is it next week?
2:24:50
That right? Okay? Yeah, okay, so what is this week?
2:24:54
I haven't been listened to commentary? Yeah, so Michael Cold and Way Barrett,
2:24:58
who in my opinion, it were the better commentary team. Yeah,
2:25:01
our and raw because Way Barrett has been doing some great color commentary work on
2:25:05
SmackDown. So yeah, I've enjoyed Wade. Yeah, yeah, he has
2:25:11
that he comes all across as experience without being biased one way or the other.
2:25:16
Let's get rid of Kevin Patrick and replace something big done well. Kenn
2:25:22
Patrick has been replaced because sad Friday Night MC downs what Michael Cole and Corey
2:25:28
Graves and he's yeah, but yeah, Kevin Patrick and Kick Rocks. I
2:25:35
like Kevin Patrick. He doesn't he doesn't leave an impact or anything. He's
2:25:43
just sometimes just Mi Cole. I'm sorry, go ahead, I say sometimes
2:25:48
I can't understand it, and that Kevin Patrick's saying, I don't have that
2:25:52
problem. You know, I never had a problem understand him. He just
2:25:56
he's never done anything like noteworthy. He doesn't stand out irish phrases every now
2:26:03
and then, and I'm like, oh, I know what that means.
2:26:07
Michael Cole though, Jesus fuck. I was very, very high praise for
2:26:13
Michael Cole in the immediate aftermath events Stepping Away. He was great. But
2:26:18
I don't know what the fuck has changed, But the last couple of weeks
2:26:22
or months, he's been fucking awful. Just like, oh my god,
2:26:28
bullshit he does. It's just like, oh, oh my god. It's
2:26:33
like nails on a chalk one. Yeah. It's like he's kind of he's
2:26:37
gotten the freedom and now he's kind of gone too far. He needs somebody
2:26:39
to pull him back. Yeah, he needs somebody to yell in his ear
2:26:43
a little bit. Yeah, like like, dude, save it, save
2:26:45
it, save something for the rest of the show. Yeah. That's that's
2:26:50
one thing that Jim Brawls kind of understood, like there's levels you got.
2:26:54
You gotta temper your excitement. There's levels to your excitement. You can't act
2:26:58
like what happened in our one is the most incredible thing ever when we still
2:27:01
got two more hours and so left. Yeah, but like I hate that
2:27:05
they're going back to a three man team on on SmackDown. I mean it
2:27:11
sometimes works, okay, but I mean, think of all the great commentator
2:27:15
taking They're all duos, right, Gorilla and Brain uh Jr. And King
2:27:22
uh Jesse and Gorilla Jesse and Vince uh fucking Bobby de Brain and Tony Shavanni.
2:27:30
Larry Zabisco was with him. I was gonna say, that's one trio
2:27:33
that was pretty decent. Tony Shavani, Bobby De Brain, Heinen and Larry
2:27:35
Zabisco. Okay there, but a regardless, it's usually it's too many voices,
2:27:41
you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think
2:27:43
w E does a pretty good job of producing these guys so they're not talking
2:27:46
all over each other. But like on a w sometimes, Jesus Christ,
2:27:52
take at five people in there, they're all talking at the same time.
2:27:54
It's like, what the like, somebody needs to uh run the ship a
2:28:01
little tighter or something. M Yeah, Like it's one thing to give the
2:28:05
guys their freedom and let them, you know, beat themselves on the mic.
2:28:09
But at the same time you got a real element alone. Yeah,
2:28:11
sometimes you gotta you know, keep them, keep the keep the car on
2:28:15
the rails. What do you think they're going to start cutting some fat you
2:28:18
know, start firing people. Well there there usually is a big after WrestleMania
2:28:24
firing round, and that never really happened this year. Yeah. I think
2:28:28
probably once the endeavor deal fully goes through, because I don't know if it's
2:28:33
it's been announced, but I don't know if the deal is fully complete.
2:28:35
Yeah, it's definitely. I think you're absolutely right. Yeah, I think
2:28:39
once that happens. Yeah, dver gonna get in there and look at the
2:28:41
books and be like, yeah, the following paid Baron Corbyn how much right
2:28:48
away? Yeah, yes, yes, we we like what you're doing.
2:28:52
We think it's great. That's the whole reason why we acquired you guys.
2:28:56
But we have some suggestions on things that we can possibly do the streamline the
2:29:03
process. So here's a list of names, and we need them to not
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work for the company anymore. Please please wish these folks well on their future
2:29:16
endeavors. Right number one, Lacy Evans, Right, I don't know.
2:29:24
Barren Corby might have saved his job being down there at NXTE not a way
2:29:28
to stay float with it. Like the past few days, and like I
2:29:33
mentioned before, we had some injuries. We had Sony Deville to our acl
2:29:41
and she just recently won the women's sack team titles. It feels like they
2:29:45
finally got the tag titles going somewhere an instant direction. It looks like the
2:29:50
wheels were spinning. We're starting to we're starting to paddle maybe you know this.
2:29:54
Yeah, we talked about it. We were optimistic, thought they had
2:29:58
the potential to do something. And every fucking tag team titled curse because if
2:30:03
it's not from the guys aside, it's from the women's like they it's just
2:30:07
sucks. And you know it. I kind of feel bad for Chelsea Green
2:30:13
because you know, they originally paired her with Carmela before she got pregnant and
2:30:18
and I think she got injured then pregnant, just because it seemed like they
2:30:22
were going to be a tag team for a hot minute, and you know,
2:30:24
they replaced it with Sonya Deville and she finally got some traction. You
2:30:31
know, guy, a tag team partner or something dress alike, the you
2:30:33
know, matching outfits matching very like real tag team shit, you know,
2:30:39
and uh, you know, somebody gets injured now now, I mean that's
2:30:43
right, that's how it is. And the tag team like your guy gets
2:30:48
your tag tea partner gets hurt and it sucks, but like it affects you,
2:30:52
Like that's the risk you gotta take being a tag team. Yeah,
2:30:56
those belts are fucking cursed. Yeah, God didn't then that just happened with
2:31:05
Like they had the plans of putting the belts on Shana Basler and Ronda Rowsy
2:31:11
earlier in the year, but then Ronda got injured, so it never happened
2:31:16
until much later on, and then came up. Then Live Morgan got injured
2:31:22
as twice as her and Riquel become champions, called them to drop the belt
2:31:30
all right, Then Raquel is injured, and then they put them on Chelsea
2:31:33
Green and Sonya the Bill and Sonya tears on fucking acl which I feel terrible
2:31:37
for Sonya Deville because you know, she's been kind of meant meandering about the
2:31:41
roster ever since she stopped being the SmackDown or the co gm of Ron's back
2:31:46
down, and she finally seemed to have something that she could sink her teeth
2:31:50
into and get some direction and you know, get some some quality time,
2:31:54
some quality television time, and then this happens to her. That's just and
2:31:58
I doubt that she's going to come back to much fanfare. Whenever she does
2:32:01
come back, she'll probably just be back unfortunately. So yeah, I really
2:32:07
feel bad for her, Chelsea Green, Yes, she's I feel bad for
2:32:11
her, but I feel like she is. Yeah, she's a good enough
2:32:16
character that they will probably find somebody else to pare her up with, ye
2:32:20
and probably try to just run back the same thing that she's doing now with
2:32:24
Sonya Deville, except with somebody else. Maybe it's somebody that maybe a call
2:32:31
up from n XT or somebody that's been signal meandering on the roster without much
2:32:37
to do. If she's lucky, she'll get herself out of the Tag division,
2:32:41
because that shit ain't been right since uh uh Sasha and Nail Me for
2:32:48
Trinity, Mercedes in Trinity, Yeah, yeah, I mean those titles have
2:32:54
been fucking just rudderless since then. The women's anytime they yeah, anytime they
2:33:01
think they got something going right. Yeah, the whole if the whole whole
2:33:07
women's division is lucky they'll just get rid of the whole damn belts. I
2:33:11
mean, how many more signs does God have to give you of it?
2:33:16
So guys like as this year summer slim as a whole, Like I feel
2:33:24
like it was a good pay per view. Could have been fucking shorter.
2:33:28
Oh, it definitely could have been shorter. I can tell you right now.
2:33:31
You know how many people probably looked at that card and said, oh
2:33:35
man, thank god, it's only eight matches. This thing ain't gonna last
2:33:37
all night. And they were looking at their quatches that after midnight like what
2:33:41
the fuck? So yeah, definitely was too long. Mat. I was
2:33:45
listening to another podcast today like that was a They were doing a Summer Slam
2:33:50
preview, and literally one of the people on the podcast was saying, thank
2:33:54
you, thank you Hunter for only making this thing eight matches. We can
2:33:58
get the hell out of here early. And I was just thinking myself,
2:34:01
like, who that was? Not what happened to y'all. I'll bet y'all
2:34:05
was mad as fuck. These are people who actually went to the pay per
2:34:09
view and went to Detroit and watching it Like, I don't know, y'all
2:34:11
was sitting in there, We're gonna mad as shit, like, why the
2:34:15
fuck are we still here after midnight? But Yeah, overall thoughts, I
2:34:20
think the pay per view was Honestly it was. It did not meet my
2:34:26
expectations. I think part of that was the fact that so many of the
2:34:33
matches the outcomes were pretty much foregone conclusions. We already knew, like we
2:34:41
had all pretty much predicted Logan was gonna be Ricochet. We all predicted that
2:34:45
Ellie Knight was gonna come out on top in the Battle Royal, we all
2:34:50
kind of we all knew Cody was gonna win, and the brock Less and
2:34:56
the match with Lessler. We all predicted that Shana Basley and ro the Rowsy
2:35:01
match was gonna be dark shit, and that Shanda Basli was gonna win.
2:35:03
At least I think we didn't. I think I might have predicted Rona Rowsy.
2:35:07
I might have been wrong on that. I think I thought the match
2:35:09
was gonna possibly go towards payback, so I might have called that one wrong.
2:35:11
But either way, we all agreed it was gonna be dark shit,
2:35:13
and that exactly what it was. Right. Yeah, we all picked wrong,
2:35:18
and we all picked Gunter. The World Hedweight Championship match we all think
2:35:22
we all got that one wrong. I don't did any of us pick Seth
2:35:28
so yes, I mean so yeah, Like I think about out of all
2:35:31
those matches, only two of them had conclusions that weren't foregone that weren't pretty
2:35:39
much predictable from the jump. That was the Triple Threat match and the World
2:35:43
haweight Championship match. So and those were the arguably two of the best matches
2:35:50
on the card. So everything else was just kind of yeah, yeah,
2:35:58
it's just kind of to like okay ish to good ish. So I don't
2:36:03
know, to me, this the paper view for me was just kind of
2:36:07
underwhelming overall. Yeah. It's see, it's these shows that we don't expect
2:36:11
much from the turn it out to be the greatest, you know, and
2:36:16
then the shows we get hyped for always seem to disappoint a little bit.
2:36:18
I keep going back to the Castle one, you know. I remember it
2:36:24
looks okay, and it was fucking great, and I'm sure part of it
2:36:30
was because we weren't expecting much. And when you get when you expect not
2:36:33
much and you get so much more, maybe it seems like, you know,
2:36:37
a better deal or whatever. But yeah, I feel like some of
2:36:39
these, The last couple of Big four or Big five events have been kind
2:36:45
of underwhelming. Yeah, kind of. I mean, think about it,
2:36:50
if I was asking right now which pay per view was better to you,
2:36:52
Backlash or Summer Slam this year. For me, it's Backlash without question.
2:36:58
Oh yeah, yeah, most Backlash was way better. And how how often
2:37:03
do you ever say that that fucking the pay per view after WrestleMania is better
2:37:09
than your second biggest review of the year. I mean, yeah, this
2:37:13
is supposed to be like, yeah, it's a stadium show now for Christ's
2:37:18
Sex. It hasn't been until recently, you know, but uh, it's
2:37:22
a it's a you know, it's a big fucking deal. You know,
2:37:24
it's it's the second it's the biggest party of the summer, but the second
2:37:28
biggest show of the year, it should be uh and yeah, definitely underwhelming.
2:37:35
Yeah, it's like the biggest party of the summer. But the DJ
2:37:37
was kind of whack. Yeah right, yeah, man, I think we
2:37:43
uh did a pretty good post show for Summer Slam. I think we can
2:37:48
uh, I think we should shoot the ship, run the clock out.
2:37:52
This main event that they that they have it. They had Sammy Zane looks
2:37:58
like, okay, be in it. It looks like an announcing right now,
2:38:03
that's raw. Yeah, Sonia Deville's torn acl injury out and definitely so
2:38:07
broke by TMZ, by the way, not by ww We had a weird
2:38:13
How fuck did TMZ get that scoop? And then they afforded to Michael Cole,
2:38:18
Oh, say get this on the air. I just found out now,
2:38:20
like just found out TMZ found out before us, right, Like is
2:38:26
that a deliberate thing? It's like TMZ reported it as ww EZ again,
2:38:31
vague like weird attempt to try to legitimize themselves as as a legitimate sport.
2:38:37
I see TMZ reports on our stuff too, okay, ww okay, Judgment
2:38:43
day coming in here, and you know Damien's got that briefcase, Dom's got
2:38:48
the North American title. You know, is this the main event starting with
2:38:52
half an hour? Yeah? I least so, Yeah, and Finn is
2:38:56
staring a fucking hole in Damien priests nothing no gold right, yes, seth
2:39:05
rawlins Cody Rhodes. Right, are they gonna go to commercial again after the
2:39:11
after this entrance and then go frommercial again after the faces come in? I
2:39:16
think they had shudn't skate. Did I see that? Right? Sit skated
2:39:20
this match? Maybe if the same is the replacement. Yeah, he already
2:39:26
wrestled. I don't it's a choice. I don't trust him. He's been
2:39:31
a little iffy. Well, yeah, an odd choice to add. I
2:39:35
think I saw that. I'm only have fain attention. If anything. You
2:39:39
think they would have added l a night. Yeah, yeah, right,
2:39:43
you don't go really want that pop you're SmackDown wrestler. You don't go here,
2:39:48
go get out of here. Shoot if you really want to push that
2:39:52
man to the fucking Okay, all sit all site, let's go jump and
2:40:00
Maria tossing. I'm gonnas you hear a little bit harder though, Oka like,
2:40:09
yeah, he's ain't really convincing, blows, not doing nothing, just
2:40:15
staying there hole in the gold. Like, I get it. Then,
2:40:18
y'all don't want you were kicking our face it in ja and I get it.
2:40:22
Y'all don't want like dudes putting their hands on women, but they can
2:40:26
at least like grab them, try to pull them off, and they failed,
2:40:31
right, they can't grab them. Hey, it's those two Andy Hartrol
2:40:39
and cancelor Ay come out. Yeah, because you know they were friends.
2:40:43
They were in a segment earlier with oh, well you just doing jack Ship,
2:40:56
so your show is out of control. You see Bessie at this point,
2:41:01
O thank you, thank you, Like that's what I need. Like
2:41:05
what you ain't going to do was just toss my house out the way and
2:41:07
think I ain't going to get my lig back A love. I love that
2:41:09
they send out to break it up. They send out Kenny from the Spirits
2:41:15
Squad, herd Angle's son Jason Jordan else we got and tossed it. I
2:41:22
should just threw her quality quality dogs right there, So don't ask her like
2:41:28
that. They're going to a commercial break. I'm gonna make a quick plug.
2:41:31
Uh. The other day I watched h WrestleMania four. I had I
2:41:39
can revisit that pay review. That was a long ass uh fucking WrestleMania.
2:41:46
I had to uh watch it for revisiting the Menia podcast. Is that the
2:41:52
one that had the tournament. Yes for the World, for the World for
2:41:56
w W Championship. Ye ended without that savage one and holding through a pissy
2:42:01
fit about yeah, we had to get the Ultimate Warrior versus Hercules whole Cogan
2:42:09
versus Andre the Giant. You know they got a first round by right,
2:42:13
Yeah, uh bam bam was in the tournament, right, and yeah,
2:42:20
didn't Hogan and Andre get like counted it out or something like that, and
2:42:24
then Hogan slammed Andre again. I think they pinned each other or something like
2:42:28
that, but I thought it was a double count out or something because they
2:42:31
both got eliminated. Yeah, they both got eliminated. The awesome thought they
2:42:35
got a battle royal that bad News Brown one by eliminating Bret Hart. And
2:42:41
I'll tell you what like watching that match too. You know, the only
2:42:43
guy in that ring who would have been worthy I thought would have been Brett
2:42:46
Harden. But no, they got down to Bret Harden and Andrews Brown.
2:42:52
Andrew's Brown was awesome, dude, he got this big red Hart was he
2:42:56
wasn't even an intercontinental champion yet at this point. Wasn't no, no,
2:43:00
he had He got at Benny Browne got this big ass trop he like huge,
2:43:03
and bren Hard like threw a fucking fit and like, you know,
2:43:07
broken into a couple of pieces. I was like, oh, come on,
2:43:09
that was a good that was a good trophy. Bren Hard got me
2:43:13
fucking like that. Jeez, Greg Valentine was in it. It was great
2:43:18
hair. You know, the One Man Gang defeated Badman Bigelow guy. I
2:43:24
see Jake Roberts versus Rick Rude. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
2:43:31
that's One Man and the One Man Gang. That's the man who had
2:43:35
one of my favorite names ever. Four finishing move. Didn't he have the
2:43:37
Ghetto Blaster? Yeah? Ye love that name. First Beefcake versus the hunkin
2:43:46
talk Man, Jimmy Hart, Peggy Sue, a lot of you know what's
2:43:48
crazy is like I'm watching this old you know, this old pay per view
2:43:52
from what year in nineteen eighty eight? Just how many of these wrestlers there's
2:43:58
no longer around, just like dead dead dead helpster still running wild brother yep.
2:44:09
This is and this also took place at Trump Plaza, so like you
2:44:13
got to see Donald Trump like many, many many times in the front row.
2:44:18
Trump has some good fucking seeds. Yeah at Tense only nineteen thousand,
2:44:26
two hundred, you know, And what did we have this weekend for summer
2:44:30
slim fifty nine thousand, one hundred some change. Yeah like that. Yeah,
2:44:37
but you know what Forbes Forbes Field had WrestleMania twenty three, and they
2:44:41
had almost ninety thousand for that. Yeah, but I was that ford Field.
2:44:46
I don't think ford Field was built yet at that time for twenty three.
2:44:50
Okay, yes, WrestleMania twenty three, I'm sorry, eighty thousand,
2:44:54
But like, how do they get twenty thousand more people from Wrestleman that I
2:44:58
did not stand at all? I don't know. I guess it just depends
2:45:05
on how the uh it's set up, I guess, yeah, how they
2:45:07
set up the arena. Yeah, I mean, but like WrestleMania usually have
2:45:11
like a whole end zone blocked off basically with the stage and and this.
2:45:16
You know, they had the three sixty kind of thing, which I like
2:45:18
actually, but then again, you know what it is, it's WrestleMania.
2:45:22
So I could see them configuring the arena to pack in as the maximum capacity.
2:45:28
They had a lot of space open that looked like yeah from some of
2:45:33
those wide shots. Yeah, whereas this one, you know, it's Summer
2:45:37
Slam, like it's a major one, and they wrestling wrestling isn't a bit,
2:45:41
isn't a boom right now? But I could see them still, you
2:45:43
know, wanting to hedge their bets and like, yeah, we're doing good,
2:45:48
but let's no, not trying to push it too much, because yeah,
2:45:52
they sold fifty some thousand. If they would open it up to eighty
2:45:54
thousand, I don't know if they would have gotten eighty thousand in here for
2:45:58
SummerSlam, and then that might end up looking bad on their end if they
2:46:03
can't sell out like the eighty thousand, but they only sell like sixty uh
2:46:09
huh, and they got like twentyftcs that they have to try to fill in.
2:46:13
Do you guys know where Payback's going to be next? Petsburg, Pittsburgh,
2:46:18
Pennsylvania. I love Pittsburgh. Yeah, when is Payback? What?
2:46:24
What day? What day is that? Second? Yes? Okay? So
2:46:30
that okay? So that means two weeks after that because Raw is actually coming
2:46:37
here to Norfolk on the on September eleventh, and I'm thinking of attending that
2:46:46
show. I got a homegirl here who works in the in the indie scene
2:46:50
and wrestling, and she said she might have a hookup on tickets for me,
2:46:56
so maybe. So if she can't get me to hook up, then
2:47:03
I'll probably end up gonna be able to go for free essentially. But if
2:47:07
not. I'll probably look. I mean, I'm probably still gonna try to
2:47:09
go anyway. It's just a matter whether I can go for free or if
2:47:15
I buy a ticket. But I'm probably gonna try to go. Best wrestling
2:47:18
is free, right. My favorite word is comped. Ye. Yeah,
2:47:24
like I ain't gonna ain't gonna say nothing. I don't want to spoil nothing.
2:47:28
But apparently she got she got a homie in the company that might be
2:47:31
able to hook it up something. Speaking of which, that's something we can
2:47:35
talk about. Have you all have either of you two watched the American Nightmare
2:47:39
documentary on Peacock. I haven't. No, it looks pretty good though,
2:47:43
you know, to saw the video package. I've seen of it, but
2:47:46
yeah, I haven't. I'm interested, though. Have you watched the get
2:47:50
Yeah this more in this match? Weird choice? You have not? Oh?
2:47:54
Okay, I I did watch it. I have watched I think maybe
2:48:00
maybe all, but like the last five minutes of it. It's actually a
2:48:03
really good documentary. It's very good and very comprehensive. It covers Cody from
2:48:09
beginning pre from childhood all the way to I think at least through WrestleMania last
2:48:16
year, where he lost to Roman and it's comprehensive and it obviously has insight
2:48:20
from a number of other wrestlers from Hogan, Diamond, Dallas Page and like
2:48:28
in Triple H obviously and another people. It's a very well done, well
2:48:31
produced documentary and doesn't W a second secondary promotion? Yeah, to make a
2:48:41
huge Honestly, that's I think people blew that up way out of proportion,
2:48:46
Like did he call it a secondary promotion? Yes, but at the same
2:48:52
time, what do you expect him to say? He's with the WWE,
2:48:56
and whether y'all like it or not, the ww is biggest game in town,
2:49:01
in the world of professional wrestling, So to them, everything's a fucking
2:49:05
secondary promotion. He called New Japan a fucking secondary promotion, even though New
2:49:09
Japan is probably arguably off but maybe maybe not as big or bigger than WW
2:49:15
in Japan, But who knows. To them, everything is in a secondary
2:49:18
promotion. I don't think he missed it as like saying like, man fucked
2:49:22
them names shit, But to him, they are a secondary promotion. And
2:49:26
sorry to some of y'all, a w stands it is AW is not wcw
2:49:33
AW is not competing with WWE. The way that WCW competed and beat WWF
2:49:41
during the Monday Night Wars for two years. They just not on that level.
2:49:45
They are used to be exact, huh said eighty three weeks, to
2:49:48
be exact, right, like they did that. They competed on the they
2:49:54
went toe to toe. Aw ain't going toe to toe, So y'all might
2:49:58
not have like that. He called them a secondary promotion, but quite frankly,
2:50:03
that's what they are right now. They are. They are secondary.
2:50:09
They may be number two here in the States, and that's cool, yeah,
2:50:11
but it's a distant number two. They're doing anything. Props to them
2:50:18
for it. I mean, they're selling the fuck out of Wimbley Stadium here
2:50:22
in Uh for their all in pay per view show coming up. I think
2:50:26
they've sold like seventy thousand tickets, So I mean, not to take anything
2:50:31
away from them, Props to them for that, and I'm pretty sure ww
2:50:33
is absolutely paying attention to it because I think as it stands right now,
2:50:37
they're set to have the largest sales, are the biggest, They're gonna be
2:50:43
the biggest show, biggest wrestling show ever held at Wimbley Stadium. They're going
2:50:48
to surpass ww's what was that SummerSlam that they did at Wimbley. Yeah,
2:50:54
yeah, they're gonna surpass WW. And I'm pretty sure ww's not gonna like
2:50:58
that, so that it's gonna be one of the biggest wrestling shows of all
2:51:03
time period, especially when we remove the shows that people were forced to go
2:51:07
to a gunpoint in North Korea. Right, So, I mean, if
2:51:11
you so with that being said, props again, props to AW for that.
2:51:16
But if you think the ww's just gonna let that little record for a
2:51:20
W stand, I don't think so for it second damn show, not Vince,
2:51:26
if Vance got anything to say about events, might be this may be
2:51:28
the thing that pushes WW to hold WrestleMania in London. Yeah, Like,
2:51:35
if we get a WrestleMania in London, you can look at this a W
2:51:39
show as a as a big reason why because whatever AW does, oh W
2:51:46
w W will be like I bet watch how many motherfuckers we packing this bitch
2:51:52
for WrestleMania, and they will try to blow it a little seventy thousand number
2:51:56
out the water. If they can get ninety k in there, if they
2:51:58
can get a hundred thous some people in there, for WrestleMania, they will
2:52:01
do it. They had eighty eighty thousand for Summer Slam ninety two, right,
2:52:11
and that was a Summer Slam, and that was in nineteen ninety two.
2:52:16
Imagine what the hell of WrestleMania could do in twenty twenty five or twenty
2:52:20
twenty six. Yeah, she let's see. Yeah. But anyway, back
2:52:28
to the documentary, it was really good and it if you're one of those
2:52:33
people who wasn't really paying like me, who didn't really pay much attention to
2:52:39
Cody's first run in WW, like you knew about it, but you didn't
2:52:43
really know all about it like me, Like I was aware of star Dust,
2:52:46
but the whole the legacy stuff and the dashing Cody Roads, A lot
2:52:50
of that stuff I missed out on, Like I wasn't watching at that point,
2:52:54
like an even the star Dust stuff, I wasn't really watching it.
2:52:56
I was just knew about it because y'all probably happened to tune into like a
2:53:01
random episode and saw it. So I was just aware of it. So
2:53:05
it provided a whole lot of insight into that stuff and into Cody and where
2:53:09
his head was at and how he was feeling about it at that time,
2:53:13
and and honestly, I don't want to spoil it for y'all, for you
2:53:18
guys, because I do recommend both of you watch it. But it's very
2:53:22
interesting and informative, as like I said, in terms of where he was
2:53:24
at, where his head was, especially during the start of dust time.
2:53:28
He really talks about that a lot. And one thing I will say is
2:53:31
fucking props to Brandy. She is a fucking rider. She is a rider.
2:53:37
She stuck with him through all of that ship and had his back all
2:53:43
the way through. And it's kind of a they tell the story about too.
2:53:45
That's kind of funny as well. But yeah, it's a very good
2:53:48
documentary. And I hope that this isn't the best compliment I can give about
2:53:54
it is that I hope this isn't a one and done thing like they did
2:53:58
this for Cody. I want to see this quality of documentary for other ww
2:54:03
superstars. Okay, I don't want this to be a thing that they did
2:54:07
just for Cody just to you know, proverbially force him down our throats or
2:54:11
just to further hype him as a as a top face in the company.
2:54:13
Right, this needs something that they do for other stars. Like I would.
2:54:18
I would. I want to see something like this for Roman, you
2:54:20
know, where they talk about him and he gets to talk about his time
2:54:24
in the Shield, and you get some commentary from Seth and he gets to
2:54:26
talk about his time when he battled leukemia and to come back and how he
2:54:31
felt about the crowd turning on him. I want to hear about all that
2:54:33
shit. So I want something like this for Roman. I want something like
2:54:37
this for Seth. Like this, this quality of production should not be limited
2:54:43
to just Cody Rhodes. That's one thing WW was always good at and like
2:54:46
one way shape or for whether you know whoever they give it to, is
2:54:52
like WW does awesome fucking documentary series and I doing goofy as shows on their
2:54:58
network when they just do you know, it's just hard documentary, like they're
2:55:05
fucking good at it didn't make anybody so good, So yeah, I'm dealing
2:55:09
with anymore. It sounds like you learned a lot about Cody Road, especially
2:55:15
at his you know, his legacy days and his got Awful Sundays, you
2:55:20
know, yeah and yeah, and then they also talked about once he left
2:55:24
WW and his time on the indie circuit and that stuff. There. I
2:55:28
gained a lot of respect for Cody for what he did on the INDI because
2:55:31
that was stuff I wasn't aware of. I didn't know about, and how
2:55:33
much he really fucking grinded on the indie circuit, and how much he built
2:55:37
himself up even though he was a guy who was already a established WW star.
2:55:43
He really kind of had to build himself from the bottom up through the
2:55:48
indie circuit. Now was it up all the way to the They talk about
2:55:52
the all End show that they did in Chicago that led to the creation of
2:55:58
a w and talk about that as well, And yeah, I mean I
2:56:01
have a ton of respect to him for what he for for that stuff,
2:56:05
for what he did then solid documentary or was it like episodes? No,
2:56:09
it's just it's a two hour doc Okay, two hours that's pretty good run
2:56:13
time. Ye quick update. I just checked Wrestle Ticks Twitter account. Uh,
2:56:20
three days ago they have seventy eight thousand so sold for all in and
2:56:28
they're averaging about two hundred something a day still, so because I think eighty
2:56:35
thousand is yeah, what I can't remember what I just said in SummerSlam was
2:56:39
uh, but it looks like dere definitely in position to surpass that. It
2:56:43
says the current setup is eighty four thousand, about a little under six thousand
2:56:48
tickets out there supposedly. Yeah, from what I understand, this, uh,
2:56:54
this website or this Twitter account is pretty good. Yeah, am mind
2:56:58
you? This is what without a CM punk match announced? Yeah, I
2:57:03
mean there's really only one match announced as far as I know. Yeah,
2:57:05
I think they started to just m JF and Adam Cole my birthday twin.
2:57:11
Yeah, I think they have started to add and as some few matches and
2:57:13
probably had sold out this much. And yeah, yeah, there's been some
2:57:16
talk that, you know, they may announce a CM punk match just to
2:57:20
help push it over the edge, over the tops of being a full sellout.
2:57:26
Yeah, I mean they're gonna get pretty fucking close. It looks like
2:57:30
they don't get there. So that's that's certainly impressive. But that's that's a
2:57:33
once in a lifetime kind of thing. They are so far anyway, once
2:57:39
once in a companyhood. I mean, well like when they come to Philly.
2:57:43
Uh, you know, WWE plays at the Wells Fargo where the sexiest
2:57:46
play and a w plays were temple plays. So you know how you.
2:57:54
We talked about Jay and Jimmy possibly facing each other maybe at Payback. If
2:58:00
you want to look at what's between Payback and Survivor Series, there's a little
2:58:05
pay per view called fast Lane, and that's where we could see something with
2:58:09
Solo Sokola maybe involved leading up to the next pay per view, which would
2:58:16
be Survivor Series. I mean, pieces are all fallen there. It could
2:58:22
happen. Yeah, But then they also have that big Indian show, which
2:58:28
we don't know, but I don't know, we don't know yet. I
2:58:31
don't think. I'm guessing it's gonna be like the Saudi shows where at first
2:58:37
where it's just a bizarro land kind of glorified house show. Uh, you
2:58:43
know, the Saudi shows are full blown storyline stuff now they didn't used to
2:58:48
be. So I'm I would imagine that India will go through a similar process
2:58:54
if they if it's a successful show and they keep having them, uh maybe
2:58:58
they will turn into uh, you know, real real pay per views.
2:59:03
The only thing is like, you only have twelve a year. Yeah,
2:59:07
it looks like they're shooting for Friday, September eighth, Superstar Spectactule Spectacle.
2:59:15
Yes, I think I think that's just going to be a glorified house show.
2:59:18
Well, they're gonna start pushing some industry guys. I see that Shanky
2:59:22
is coming back. I don't get out of there. Where the throw Yeah
2:59:26
Johnny prison set, yep, yep, Oh god, where the hell they've
2:59:31
been? Anyway they were on, we all looked like every I think it's
2:59:35
all like every week and now they're just yeah, we're in the draft.
2:59:39
They were all over the place out of there. Well, maybe because they
2:59:43
stunk TV's gender Mahul and his minions. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
2:59:52
I thought it seemed like they were kind of trying to build those guys up
2:59:54
for that eventually show in India and then that just die make They reminded me
3:00:01
of the bad guys from Temple of Doom that are down and they down in
3:00:07
the mines and slaving all the children. The problem was they had a look
3:00:11
to them. But what made them many? What was it? What was
3:00:16
the difference between them and the Viking Raiders? Basically the same thing, big
3:00:20
guys who were just maul people. Okay, we got one of them.
3:00:26
How you want your big mauling guys Irish or Indian? M hmm? I
3:00:37
mean, that's the problem they had. They have the look Irish part way.
3:00:41
Oh well, whatever they are Viking one Viking or Indian again, it's
3:00:52
it's a it's the same thing. So other than putting them against each other,
3:00:58
I'm looking at wrestlers like on the roster. I'm like, where have
3:01:01
you been? And how are you still signed with this company? Her birth
3:01:03
of Categorio. Yeah, how these wrestlers like they're signed to the roster,
3:01:13
but I haven't seen him for a while. They're probably on that show that
3:01:16
we don't ever talk about main event. Oh yeah, that's that's very true.
3:01:20
Yeah, that show. M Yeah, I mean like zire Lee,
3:01:28
yeah, Exile. Where the hell's she been? Right? Which I feel
3:01:33
like she's incredibly underutilized. Oh yeah, she's a good every time I've seen
3:01:37
her in the ring. She looks good in the ring. She can perform
3:01:39
in the ring, but they don't ever seem to do nothing with her.
3:01:43
And she has the unique thing of being the only Chinese uh born or Chinese
3:01:52
woman's wrestler on the roster, whereas Oscar and Eo or both Japanese and also
3:01:56
a little touch of news apparently, who would I say, Kari I think
3:02:03
so. Yeah, Cary's saying yes, it is apparently set to return to
3:02:09
the WWEAH and I'm pretty sure she'll probably immediately be featured in some prominent role
3:02:15
whether they reboot the Kabuky Warriors, which very given the car state of the
3:02:20
w W Women's Tag Team Championship, if they really wanted to try to salvage
3:02:22
that ship, that could be the thing that they do. I didn't even
3:02:26
think about that ship. The Warriors. God, yep, they could damn
3:02:31
sill do that because they are so desperate. But I'm almost afraid of them
3:02:35
to do that because they like the cursed ass Bells wanted them to a fuck
3:02:39
around to get injured. Yep. How much time they're getting for this main
3:02:45
event here, well, given with entrances and always got damn carshal race it
3:02:52
does it was full half hours. Thing took a while, Yeah, but
3:02:56
yeah, got a nice little scar on our back from that, like a
3:03:03
little Martha kind of rubs some skin. I still don't understand why the fuck
3:03:07
shots get knock on Moor was the one they chose to put it in this
3:03:11
match. I guess this is maybe a part of their attempt to continue to
3:03:16
push him, I guess, but I don't know. It seemed like for
3:03:20
a while he was leaning towards possibly them turning him. Heel he beat Bras
3:03:24
and Reid, Yeah, he did seem like he was. Yeah. Then
3:03:28
they just immediately pair him with the top two baby faces on a bron smack
3:03:33
on bra. Okay, I can't believe, Like you can still buy on
3:03:39
the front page. When you go to shirts on WWE dot com at shot
3:03:43
dot com, you can find Austin three sixteen right on the front page.
3:03:46
Still you know, the classic Kevin Owen's shirt, another three sixteen? What
3:03:54
other shirts? There is? Some LA Night shirts here, the classic Latino
3:03:58
he I want to go new shirt and you know, I really I want
3:04:05
to get myself in LA Night shirt. And you scroll all the way too,
3:04:11
although right now if I refresh it, three top sellers, uh Seth
3:04:18
Rollins, Roman Reigns in La Knight But LA Knights is still we wrong with
3:04:24
next Business day shipping? Yeah, and the real chief Okay, scroll down
3:04:35
a little bit. Then you get a little bit of Cody Rhodes nWo still
3:04:41
in the top, like ten shirts being sold. I can't believe there's still
3:04:45
nWo shirts going around. Of course, some of those things that become just
3:04:48
a part of pop culture are forever gonna do numbers like Austin three sixteen nWo.
3:04:54
Those things are pop culture, yeah, like or just a classic Wholkamania
3:05:01
shirt. Things like that are always gonna sell. The macho man with the
3:05:05
glasses, the purple shirt with the sunglasses, I mean that one. Oh
3:05:11
when it's a Cody Cutter cross Rovers terrible ass finisher, Yeah, I have
3:05:20
a class of d action. Oh, the same thing came out and did
3:05:24
something with his fucked up elbow. Yeah. Now see shin skat Knockamo had
3:05:31
no part of that finish. He got stolen by domb. It was out
3:05:35
for the rest of the match. Cody got tagged and they ran the whole
3:05:39
finish without one lick of shins skat Knockamo. But now he's sitting there standing
3:05:43
in the ring like he did something. Ma, if you don't take your
3:05:48
ass to the back, I'm gonna have u turn on somebody shins. I
3:06:00
know he's gonna say, take one of them motherfucker's square. In the minutes,
3:06:03
there's something, God damn it, he's gonna have a good guy smoking
3:06:13
peace pipe and then and then show smoking peace pipe man, that's what the
3:06:20
stadios man? That ain't that ain't Asian Japanese. No, I wasn't saying.
3:06:24
I wasn't trying. I was just met like I'll fuck wish you mm
3:06:33
hmm. I mean honestly, if anybody up there smokes weed, I wouldn't
3:06:35
put it past this. Okay, Yeah, he likes to serve. Yeah,
3:06:41
I guess put it really. I'm just gonna shake it up. M
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somebody, somebody turned on somebody. I was a good guy. Oh wait,
3:06:52
there's school. I thought y'all was homies. It's gonna be some slapping
3:06:58
on course course Samzine, he's saying it. There's always still some tension there.
3:07:09
Non shake my hand, bitch right cool? Yeah? Oh oh aggressive?
3:07:18
I thought you slapping there for a second. Now is that? But
3:07:22
see, I don't know that it would seem weird that they would put their
3:07:24
top faces against each other at this point in the calendar year. Yeah,
3:07:28
but you know what, this could just be just honestly, they're always gonna
3:07:33
have some tension with each other because of that trilogy that they had, But
3:07:37
this could just be good. La the fuck out, Like I love him.
3:07:50
He's so weird. Damn right? Oh how long has it been?
3:07:56
Shis been in the titles main titles seen? Mm, I'm here for it
3:08:01
and quite some time. Lucks that ain't nobody gonna sing his interesting no more?
3:08:05
But I'm here for it. Oh dude, we're gonna get the heel
3:08:09
Shins games Ky fucking hate it. I fucking hate it because they know you
3:08:15
can't send to it because they put it in a bunch of rep Oh god,
3:08:20
okay, I'm here for it. They dropped this motherfucking ass just just
3:08:24
just to see Shins get in the mainivent picture. We know he's not going
3:08:28
to defeat Seth Rollins for the title at whatever pay per view they face each
3:08:31
other, but I'm here just to see how it goes. Its gay.
3:08:39
I mean, Seth Is probably gonna have to do all the mic work for
3:08:41
it, but yeah, I'm here to see I'm here. Let's let's see
3:08:46
what the w W does with this view. Let's see how they do it.
3:08:48
Do they just phone it in or do they actually try to give us
3:08:52
some reason to give a shit about it? All right? Probably no Drew
3:09:01
on this show. No Drew McIntire throwing this episode of raw. Yeah,
3:09:07
how about that it's gonna go away for a hot second, come back as
3:09:11
a heel and yeah, somebody out Uh Doyle, do you want to plug
3:09:18
anything? I swear that this week I will have a new blog up on
3:09:22
the website. I've just been busy. I'm apologize coming this week new Doyle's
3:09:28
Die Tribe. I promise. Other than that, I'm just you know,
3:09:33
in the discord. Uh and right here on PC wright you want to plug
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anything? But uh again nothing of significance. Again, I don't have anything
3:09:48
major going on at the moment. But again, you can follow me on
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3:10:22
We'll read it out on the podcast here. I also want to make a
3:10:26
plug for revisiting the mania so in that Carlos that we have on here often
3:10:31
that's when he has been doing. He just wrapped up Rustle Media four.
3:10:37
I watched one on his YouTube. That's where he goes live stream. So
3:10:41
if you want to interact with the Rustle men that he's been watching, you
3:10:46
know, you want to chit chat, ask questions on the site, that's
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the place to do it. But we also have a little section two.
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So you know, if you have a question for the macho man, would
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to do that? Let's go to our website at the bottom you am one.
3:11:05
We'll read out on the podcast I got. The thought was to plug
3:11:09
you know I got. I'm leaving for road trip tomorrow driving the Missouri.
3:11:15
It's like seventeen hours in a car, so we got plenty of time to
3:11:18
listen to a bunch of other wrestling podcasts out there. I'm gonna just dip
3:11:24
my toe and some other things, see what other people are doing, just
3:11:26
make some friends. Yeah, well, remember the ones that I shout it
3:11:31
out last week that I plugged. There's a jeah, Like I said again,
3:11:35
shout out job or Tiers, those wrestling girls, black wrestling podcasts call
3:11:39
the commentary podcasts. Fact, I know job or Tiers just dropped some episodes.
3:11:46
But yeah, shout out to all the of them and all the other
3:11:48
wrestling podcasters out there. I love the sound of job or Tiers. That's
3:11:54
great. I'll have to check that one out. Yeah, they are.
3:11:56
They're pretty good. They're based out of a New York and actually they just
3:12:01
recently held an indie show, like yeah, they call it a job or
3:12:07
Slam. They just held. This was their third one, their third annual
3:12:11
one, the indie show that they actually do. Like one of the guys
3:12:15
on the show is an actual indie wrestler. The woman who co hosts the
3:12:20
show with them, she is the I guess, the owner or proprietor chief
3:12:28
proprietor or CEO or whatever you want to call it of the whole of the
3:12:33
whole thing. And so yeah, like they doing some big things up there.
3:12:35
If I was closer, I would have loved to gone up to New
3:12:39
York and checked it out. Apparently it from what I've heard, it was
3:12:41
actually a really good show. A lot of people really enjoyed it. Cool.
3:12:48
Yeah, I mean that's that's something I'm gonna try to start doing,
3:12:50
at least around here locally. It's trying to attend more indie shows whenever they're
3:12:56
nearby, because again, I have a friend who works in the indie scene,
3:13:00
and you know, it's and why not. You know, every wrestling
3:13:07
is bigger than just the WW. You know, a lot of these superstars
3:13:09
that we see later down the line, they start off where at on the
3:13:13
indie scene, you know, And it's always good to see a show,
3:13:20
see some entertainment, and potentially network with other people. So yeah, and
3:13:24
when I was at the Blurred con earlier in July, one of the panels
3:13:31
that was one of the things that a guy in that panel really really emphasized
3:13:35
was, you know, investing in some of these people on the indie scene,
3:13:41
getting invested in them before they come up. Because Yeah, if you
3:13:43
think about a lot of the guys on on the WW and AW and all
3:13:48
the big brands, the ones who kind of have some of the most dedicated
3:13:54
followings are those guys who came up through the independent scene. It's not always
3:13:58
necessarily the homegrown talent who comes in and immediately gets pushed to the top.
3:14:03
Sure you have your Bianco bell Airs and your your Bobby Lastings and your Roman
3:14:07
Reigns, who are the homegrown talents who come up. But for every one
3:14:09
of those, you have the Seth Rollins, you have the Cody Roads,
3:14:13
you have the Kenny Omega's, and the all these other guys who in the
3:14:20
AJ styles, and these guys who built their following through the indie scene and
3:14:24
those guys who followed them from there all the way to the top. So
3:14:30
yeah, it's yeah something I'm gonna try to make an effort to do more
3:14:35
of. And if I do catch a indie show in between episodes, I'll
3:14:37
be sure to talk about it here. Yeah. I like your nice long
3:14:48
lettle rent there, but uh yeah, so you guys are paid back.
3:14:56
Watch Watch Let's hoists think it doesn't matter what your neighbor. Oh yeah,
3:15:28
let's screw you guys. I'm going home bye, have a great time.