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Is the O's season teetering on brink after the sweep at Tampa Bay? · Birdland Territory

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Speaker 1: In a season with a lot of frustration around Birdland.
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Speaker 1: Today may have topped them all as the Orioles get
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Speaker 1: swept in Tampa Saint Pete to lose to the Rage
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Speaker 1: five to three, three to one lead in the eighth evaporates.
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Speaker 1: They give up four late runs and get swept and
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Speaker 1: they come home really reeling. Now eight games under twenty one,
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Speaker 1: twenty nine, and so it's a low point. I wonder
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Speaker 1: if it's the low point and things start getting better
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Speaker 1: from here. But we have asked that question repeatedly on
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Speaker 1: Birdland Territory this year. Welcome in everybody, Steve Brad and
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Speaker 1: Tim hope you follow. Subscribe to our show on YouTube
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Speaker 1: be a great milestone. So, gentlemen, what are you feeling
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Speaker 1: now a few hours after this game got away from
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Speaker 1: the Orioles today at the Trap.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, tough one today.
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Speaker 3: It's it's rustrating, it's disappointing, it's there. I mean, there's
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Speaker 3: a plethora of emotions I imagine fans are feeling right now.
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Speaker 2: It's that was a tough one.
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Speaker 3: When you lose, lose a serious we get swept in
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Speaker 3: a series with the team at the top of the division.
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Speaker 3: You take that game today, it's a one game swing.
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Speaker 3: Losing that game is now a three game swing to
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Speaker 3: the person the team you're chasing. And it was just
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Speaker 3: with the bullpen, it was, you know, we haven't seen
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Speaker 3: that happen, so it's it was like a new way
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Speaker 3: to lose, and they, unfortunately.
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Speaker 2: Weren't able to get it done.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's what made it so disappointing and
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Speaker 3: frustrating was that now it's the bullpen blows a game
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Speaker 3: after you know, not hitting the night before and starting
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Speaker 3: pitching being bad the day before that. You kind of
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Speaker 3: saw all three phases kind of fail them in this
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Speaker 3: series in Tampa.
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Speaker 4: That was a frustrating loss, guys.
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Speaker 5: I mean, the age just got done on one of five,
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Speaker 5: seven of the fans taking caller after caller, and everyone's upset.
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Speaker 4: Everyone's frustrated, and they have ever rightd to be.
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Speaker 5: I think that that was the biggest gut punch loss
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Speaker 5: of the season. And this team has taken a lot
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Speaker 5: of tough losses, They've taken blowout losses, but this, considering
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Speaker 5: the circumstances, right guys, where bred I think you put
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Speaker 5: it perfect like this was a huge twin game where
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Speaker 5: you end up winning this. Okay, you come back. You're
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Speaker 5: facing a Tigers team that's lost fourteen of sixteen heading
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Speaker 5: into their game tonight. All right, maybe you can regroup.
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Speaker 5: But that eighth inning, it pretty much encapsulated the entire season. Guys,
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Speaker 5: all those runs scored with two outs. There was a
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Speaker 5: play Aronda on the double Colden Cowser couldn't handle it
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Speaker 5: well that ended up leading to a run. The Rays
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Speaker 5: executed a double steal and Jackson Holliday ended up air
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Speaker 5: mailing the throw home. It was just a comedy of errors.
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Speaker 5: And then Taylor Ward Gunner Henderson Adley Routchman went down one, two,
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Speaker 5: three in the ninth inning.
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Speaker 4: Eight game teams.
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Speaker 5: Below five hundred, no one, no one could have envisioned
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Speaker 5: that this team would be at this spot on May twentieth.
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Speaker 1: We're all wondering what the ownership of the team is thinking,
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Speaker 1: if we'll hear from them in any way, shape or form,
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Speaker 1: and what this means. Because the fans are jumping Michael
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Speaker 1: las who've been through this before. It's all falling on
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Speaker 1: him right now because they made other numerous changes over
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Speaker 1: the last year or two and it's not going the
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Speaker 1: way they wanted. And I mean so many stats are
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Speaker 1: damning for the team right now, including this when the
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Speaker 1: Oars are winless on the road against the Yankees and
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Speaker 1: Rays have been outscored by forty four runs in seven games,
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Speaker 1: so most have been not competitive. Today obviously was competitive
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Speaker 1: as they lose five to three. So what will it
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Speaker 1: will some of the pressure that fans are cranking up
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Speaker 1: here on all of our shows and blogs, shows like
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Speaker 1: this and my newsletter on Substack, Tim, Will that have
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Speaker 1: an impact your experience in the media.
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Speaker 4: Would have an impact on the players, well, would have.
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Speaker 1: An impact on the ownership of the team in any
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Speaker 1: moves they might make.
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Speaker 4: I've been saying this Steve Well.
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Speaker 5: First off, we you really don't see GM's president of
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Speaker 5: baseball operations fired midseason that often. I think things would
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Speaker 5: have to really really go sideways in order for that
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Speaker 5: to happen. But this is something I've been saying a
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Speaker 5: lot on the fan recently. If you went to Michaelias
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Speaker 5: in December twenty eighteen, and let's just say that this
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Speaker 5: season continues to spiral and they don't make the playoffs
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Speaker 5: and they have another losing record, if you went to
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Speaker 5: Mike at his introductory press conference and you said, in
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Speaker 5: your first eight years as GM, you would not have
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Speaker 5: a single playoff win. He would say that's a failure.
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Speaker 5: There's really no way around that. He would say that
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Speaker 5: that is a failure.
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Speaker 4: And it's really.
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Speaker 5: Unfortunate because June twenty first, twenty twenty four, is that
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Speaker 5: date that is sort of living an infamy right now
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Speaker 5: because the day prior, the Orioles beat the Yankees, I believe,
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Speaker 5: seventeen to four in the Bronx.
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Speaker 4: They curb stomped them.
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Speaker 5: They won that series, and they had one of the
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Speaker 5: best records in all of baseball, and at that point
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Speaker 5: that they had the best record in the American League
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Speaker 5: going back to twenty twenty three, and since then, I believe,
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Speaker 5: you're twenty three games below five hundred and we're coming
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Speaker 5: up on two full calendar years.
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Speaker 4: And it's shocking.
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Speaker 6: I keep asking the question, you know, on the fan, like,
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Speaker 6: how the heck do they get to this point? It's
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Speaker 6: and it's not just one thing, and it's not just
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Speaker 6: all Michael Oas.
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Speaker 5: It's the players, it's player developed, it's it's everything. At
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Speaker 5: this point, this is a collective organizational problem, and.
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Speaker 4: It's a shame. I really, it really is.
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Speaker 5: It's a shame. And look, they're fifty games in. It's
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Speaker 5: no longer early. There's certainly a ton of baseball left
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Speaker 5: one hundred and twelve games and it's not impossible for
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Speaker 5: them to turn this around.
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Speaker 4: But right now it's a shame. It's a shame. There's
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Speaker 4: no way rough.
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Speaker 1: It's rough and brad from a player perspective, when there's
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Speaker 1: all this fan pressure and some media pressure maybe too
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Speaker 1: on the team, and it's the front office is feeling
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Speaker 1: the brunt of it right now. What impact could that
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Speaker 1: have in the clubhouse? Could it be positive in any
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Speaker 1: way or is that just another thing to overcome?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it can kind of go
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Speaker 3: both ways. I think it can be a positive thing
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Speaker 3: where guys just band together and it's us against you know,
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Speaker 3: everybody else. It's like it's it's it's all on us.
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Speaker 3: But it's at the same time, you can see this
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Speaker 3: season slipping away and it's now a lot of these
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Speaker 3: guys have tasted the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: They know what a playoff team looks like. They know
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Speaker 2: what it's like for.
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Speaker 3: This organization to get to the playoffs and how awesome
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Speaker 3: Baltimore is when the team is in it and in
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Speaker 3: the playoffs, so it just kind of seems like it
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Speaker 3: can just be slipping away here and it's I don't
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Speaker 3: think it's something that guys are going to be talking
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Speaker 3: about where you know, the fans are against us or
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Speaker 3: that kind of thing.
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Speaker 2: I just think it's you feel that added pressure.
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Speaker 3: These guys have enough pressure on themselves as it is
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Speaker 3: individually to show up to the field every day and
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Speaker 3: do what they do that just having any added pressure
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Speaker 3: on top is just not going to help you play
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Speaker 3: better baseball. You're not going to play loose, you're not
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Speaker 3: going to do the things that you normally want to
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Speaker 3: do on the field. And a lot of times what
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Speaker 3: ends up happening is the player tries to do stuff
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Speaker 3: outside of their capability, and that's the worst thing you
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Speaker 3: want to see. One guy tries to take it upon
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Speaker 3: himself to get this team to the Promised Land, and
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Speaker 3: now all of a sudden, he's doing things that he
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Speaker 3: is not capable of doing. That's not why he's on
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Speaker 3: the team. And that's where it all really goes awry.
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Speaker 3: And we were talking about twenty team before that, and
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Speaker 3: it just kind of things just got so out of
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Speaker 3: hand so fast. There's really no one thing that we
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Speaker 3: can point to that it was a talented roster like
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Speaker 3: they have now. We have guys on the team that
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Speaker 3: had been to the playoffs, should have gotten us to
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Speaker 3: the playoffs, and things just went so wry, so fast,
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Speaker 3: and it was kind of our heads were spinning by
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Speaker 3: the time June came around. The season was over and
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Speaker 3: it was like, what in the world happened?
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Speaker 5: I want to get deeper with that, though, Brad, just
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Speaker 5: because there are similarities in this. You know, twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 5: the Orioles were two years removed from a playoff. In
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Speaker 5: twenty sixteen the wildcard round against the Blue Jays. Dan
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Speaker 5: Duquette added that offseason, remember bringing in Alex Cobb Andrew Kashner.
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Speaker 5: They're trying to win and this year you saw Michael
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Speaker 5: Lias make obviously plenty of win now moves.
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Speaker 4: Just both rosters had a ton of talent.
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Speaker 5: When did you realize things were not going to turn around?
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Speaker 4: Like?
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Speaker 5: What what transpired at that point? And going into the
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Speaker 5: year with plenty of expectations.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I think we got off to
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Speaker 3: a good start, if I remember correctly, I think we
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Speaker 3: got off playing well and then we hit a skid,
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Speaker 3: like you know, seven in a row or six in
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Speaker 3: a row, and it just kind of after we got
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Speaker 3: to that point, it was kind of similar to what
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Speaker 3: you're seeing now. It was the one game that hit it.
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Speaker 3: The hitters would hit, but we wouldn't pitch, and then
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Speaker 3: the next game we would pitch and we wouldn't hit,
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Speaker 3: and then we'd get on a little bit of a
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Speaker 3: skid and the bullpens asked to come in and we'd
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Speaker 3: blow a lead.
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Speaker 2: Like it was just it was just one thing after another.
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Speaker 3: There were stretches where the offense would be really good
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Speaker 3: in our starting pitching struggle, and then we'd get leads
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Speaker 3: and the bullpen would blow it in the sixth, seventh, eighth,
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Speaker 3: ninth inning, and it was just one thing after another.
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Speaker 2: It was it was a wild year.
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Speaker 5: What was the clubhouse like? Like, what could the clubhouse
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Speaker 5: be experiencing right now? The modern day Orioles similar to
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Speaker 5: to them in the middle we were.
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Speaker 3: It was it was a team that really did didn't
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Speaker 3: like even when we were really good. It was like
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Speaker 3: you didn't know whether we won or we lost. When
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Speaker 3: you got in the clubhouse that team was just really
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Speaker 3: level headed and coming over from San Diego where we
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Speaker 3: celebrated every single win with like a disco ball, and
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Speaker 3: we didn't do that in Baltimore. I'm like, oh wow,
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Speaker 3: this is like it was very very professional. I guess
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Speaker 3: that's the best way to look at it. Guys that've
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Speaker 3: been around a while, so we just we expected to win.
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Speaker 3: And I think that was just a different kind of clubhouse.
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Speaker 3: I know, get teams do things different now, and uh,
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Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with celebrating. It's hard to win a
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Speaker 3: big league, big league game. So with us, it was
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Speaker 3: like whether we win or we lost. We won or
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Speaker 3: we lost. It was never like too down or too high.
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Speaker 3: It was always like very eating keel And I think
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Speaker 3: that's one of the things that kind of when it
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Speaker 3: went bad, there was no like raw rah to kind
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Speaker 3: of shift things. It kind of just went bad and
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Speaker 3: it was just a slow, steady downhill fall and it
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Speaker 3: was Yeah, there was like it was just a weird
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Speaker 3: year because it couldn't point it, like you couldn't put
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Speaker 3: your finger on anything like why we were so bad
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Speaker 3: and why it got bad so fast, But it happened,
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Speaker 3: and it was one of those things that. I think
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Speaker 3: a lot of guys looking back, I wish we had
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Speaker 3: that season back.
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Speaker 1: So the Oriols twenty one and twenty nine today. One
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Speaker 1: of the vast differences in this game was the Raise
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Speaker 1: win two for four runners in scoring position. The Birds
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Speaker 1: went one for nine, so again just three runs for
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Speaker 1: the tenth time in thirteen games. So many facets underperforming.
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Speaker 1: Now being a media guy and giving stats like exit
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Speaker 1: velocities and spin rate, sometimes when the team is losing,
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Speaker 1: the people get tired of hearing that. They just want wins,
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Speaker 1: and I think mass and broadcaster Ben McDonald expressed some
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Speaker 1: of those frustrations. Today. We're going to get into that
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Speaker 1: Ben's comments and give our thoughts on it in a minute.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for checking us out today on Bergland Territory Steve
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Speaker 1: Brad and Tim and So. After the game today, Ben
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Speaker 1: McDonald and this is Andy Coska's Twitter via the Baltimore Banner.
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Speaker 1: Ben on the postgame show, you either do or you don't.
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Speaker 1: And right now the Orioles don't. They are not doing it,
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Speaker 1: and they're not playing well right now. That's the bottom line.
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Speaker 1: But he said a little more than that tim which
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Speaker 1: I think we saw on social media too correct.
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Speaker 4: Yes, Ben said this.
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Speaker 5: We can talk about analytics and what could happen and
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Speaker 5: what should happen if you hit the ball hard.
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Speaker 4: But I don't care if you hit the ball hard.
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Speaker 4: I don't care.
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Speaker 5: If you hit it hard and you hit it to somebody,
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Speaker 5: you're out. I don't care how hard you throw ball four.
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Speaker 5: I don't care what your spin rate was on your
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Speaker 5: breaking ball. If you bounce it three feet in front
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Speaker 5: of home plate, I don't care. What I care about
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Speaker 5: is do you make plays? Do you make pitches? Do
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Speaker 5: you get hits when it matters? And that's what the
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Speaker 5: Orioles are struggling to do right now. They are struggling
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Speaker 5: to complete ball games. They're struggling to have all phases
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Speaker 5: of the game go right at the same time. That's
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Speaker 5: where the struggle is. So all this nonsense as I
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Speaker 5: watched to me about all this analytical stuff. You either
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Speaker 5: do or you don't, and right now the Orioles don't.
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Speaker 5: They are not doing it. They're not playing well right now.
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Speaker 5: That's the bottom line. And look Ben, much like what
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Speaker 5: Ken and I were doing on the fan, Like he
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Speaker 5: said those comments in the commercial break following the loss,
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Speaker 5: So there's not the frustration is there.
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Speaker 4: You're worked up. We're all worked.
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Speaker 5: Up, and it's the immediacy of that. And I think
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Speaker 5: Ben just having the front row seat to all of that,
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Speaker 5: he's a little fed up in terms of Ben old
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Speaker 5: school guy.
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Speaker 4: And then we're on overall pick in eighty nine.
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Speaker 5: You know, you do what you don't and Brad, just
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Speaker 5: from that perspective, and obviously you kind of got both
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Speaker 5: ends of it right where analytics weren't nearly as prevalent
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Speaker 5: at the beginning of your year of your career compared
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Speaker 5: to the end of it.
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Speaker 4: But what did you think of Ben's comments?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was just being honest.
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Speaker 3: I think he was staying he has to watch these
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Speaker 3: games and does the comment thing of all these games.
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Speaker 3: So I think he was just the frustration of watching
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Speaker 3: all this talent not perform up to the level that
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Speaker 3: the fans expected, that he expected, that the organization expected.
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Speaker 3: And I think he was just one of those frustrating
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Speaker 3: comments that came out. And I think Mel had a
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Speaker 3: good point about it with Cawser it was a ten
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Speaker 3: percent catch rate, and I think he had just had
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Speaker 3: enough of hearing all these spins on the season, and
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Speaker 3: all the analytics point to this and this. At the
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Speaker 3: end of the day, they're twenty one and twenty nine,
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Speaker 3: so it's they're eight games under five hundred. This team
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Speaker 3: is not even playing five hundred baseball right now. And
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Speaker 3: I think he was just being honest with what he
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Speaker 3: watches and what he deals with every day. And I
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Speaker 3: think if you're the players and you do hear that,
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Speaker 3: they're gonna they're not gonna be happy. I mean, they
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Speaker 3: just they think the guys that do TV, and after
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Speaker 3: doing a few TV games, I realize you just have
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Speaker 3: to see talk about what you saw in the field
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Speaker 3: and indifferent. It's your job to talk about what you saw.
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Speaker 3: And I think they just need to ignore it. I
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Speaker 3: think that he is very pro Orioles.
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Speaker 2: He is. He loves the players. He talks so highly
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Speaker 2: of these guys.
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Speaker 3: If you're gonna take one comment of his and run
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Speaker 3: with it and get pissed off about it, I think
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Speaker 3: you need to look in the mirror and look at
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Speaker 3: your own stats and see what you're doing on the field.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's just the kind of way to
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Speaker 3: go about it. I think they might not be happy
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Speaker 3: about it. But he's right. There's no other way to
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Speaker 3: talk about it. He's right about what he said. And
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Speaker 3: it's not about the analytics. It's not about how hard
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Speaker 3: you hit the ball. It's do you get base hits
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Speaker 3: and do you have wins? And I think watching the
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Speaker 3: Rays this series proves everything. They didn't hit the hardest balls,
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Speaker 3: but they got hits when they needed to, and they
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Speaker 3: scored runs with two outs and two strikes, and they
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Speaker 3: put the ball in play, and they won three games
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Speaker 3: in a row against the Orioles.
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Speaker 5: And bred that's the funny thing that the Rays entered
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Speaker 5: the series dead last and exit velocity.
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Speaker 4: They're one of the better offenses in baseball.
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Speaker 1: But here's the counterpoint to that. And I get bombarded
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Speaker 1: with analytics because when you do this every day. I
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Speaker 1: can remember a time when his former teammate Zach Britton
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Speaker 1: got traded to the Yankees, and here's what he said.
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Speaker 1: I remember to this day, a whole new world opened
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Speaker 1: up to me about all the data and analytics they
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Speaker 1: had that the Orioles weren't using at that time. And
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Speaker 1: that was a damning for me. That was tough to
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Speaker 1: read because it's like they can't outspend the Yankees. But
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Speaker 1: good grief, if the Nate their computers can be as
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Speaker 1: good as the Yankees and their data people. And I think,
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Speaker 1: did you and Zach ever talk about that?
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Speaker 3: Brad, Yeah, yeah, we did when he got to the
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Speaker 3: Yankees and I got to the Braves. It was kind
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Speaker 3: of we basically when I got to the Braves also,
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Speaker 3: it was like a week after him, it was just
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Speaker 3: kind of like sat me down, showed me all the
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Speaker 3: you know, as much data as they wanted to show me,
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Speaker 3: and basically just told me my fastball I wasn't using
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Speaker 3: my fastball up enough and that was kind of it.
17:55
Speaker 3: After that, they were like, go do what you do,
17:57
Speaker 3: use the fastball up. But then I got to see
17:59
Speaker 3: Zaz talk to Zach and the Yankees just it was
18:02
Speaker 3: way more. And I think it was just how difference
18:05
Speaker 3: between me and Zach. I think it was just kind
18:07
Speaker 3: of where we both were at our seasons in our careers.
18:10
Speaker 3: Zach would loved a lot of the analytics stuff. I
18:12
Speaker 3: was more of just a hey, show me what I
18:14
Speaker 3: can use kind of just leave the other stuff out
18:16
Speaker 3: because I kind of don't want to know everything. So
18:19
Speaker 3: I think it was just maybe a difference between our
18:21
Speaker 3: personalities and what we wanted.
18:23
Speaker 2: But yes, when we.
18:24
Speaker 3: Left the Orioles there was some stuff not on the
18:26
Speaker 3: table that we didn't have all the cards that were
18:28
Speaker 3: available to us.
18:30
Speaker 1: And also keep this in mind, the team that leads
18:33
Speaker 1: MLB and exit velocity is the New York Yankees, and
18:37
Speaker 1: the team that's not far behind them is the Los
18:39
Speaker 1: Angeles Dodgers. So it's a it's not a fallacy to say,
18:44
Speaker 1: I guess what we're saying. Are the Orols too relying
18:47
Speaker 1: on it? Is it getting in the way? Maybe it is.
18:50
Speaker 1: Maybe it is, and that's for the team to analyze.
18:53
Speaker 1: But teams are doing things well analytically and winning, and
18:58
Speaker 1: so it's not like the Orols are outlier. No one
19:00
Speaker 1: in baseball is trying to use some of this data.
19:03
Speaker 1: But right now, I think fans are fed up with
19:06
Speaker 1: hearing ex and velocity when they score three runs.
19:10
Speaker 5: And I think my perspective of it, look where the
19:14
Speaker 5: Orioles were in twenty eighteen, and that was a huge
19:16
Speaker 5: reason why they brought in Michael ISAs as they were
19:19
Speaker 5: so behind in the times when it came to analytics
19:22
Speaker 5: and international and just so much infrastructure wise. I think
19:28
Speaker 5: My opinion with it all is you need analytics, you
19:34
Speaker 5: need to use it. Does it need to be the
19:37
Speaker 5: end all be all? No, do you need to be
19:39
Speaker 5: old school and ignore analytics.
19:41
Speaker 4: No.
19:42
Speaker 5: I think there needs to be the happy medium, right
19:45
Speaker 5: like that. That's my perspective, and Brad, I'd love to
19:48
Speaker 5: hear yours.
19:50
Speaker 4: Yeah.
19:50
Speaker 3: No, I think it has its place, and I think
19:53
Speaker 3: it's gone so far data driven now that I think
19:56
Speaker 3: a lot of guys are so reliant on looking at
19:58
Speaker 3: the numbers that they I get that they're really good
20:01
Speaker 3: at what they do, and it's not because of the numbers.
20:03
Speaker 3: Using it to your advantage is a different story. I
20:06
Speaker 3: think using trying to find a certain thing that kind
20:09
Speaker 3: of cracks the code to say, I think that's perfect.
20:12
Speaker 2: But I think when you're sitting there.
20:14
Speaker 3: Trying to just rely on it all the time, it's
20:16
Speaker 3: really hard to go out there and play in real
20:18
Speaker 3: life using stuff that's on a computer and data.
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Speaker 2: It has its place and is really good.
20:24
Speaker 3: I just think it's really hard to find that happy medium,
20:27
Speaker 3: and I think maybe that's what they're going throughight now.
20:28
Speaker 3: Maybe you guys are stuck on using it too much
20:31
Speaker 3: and going out there and using their feel and using
20:34
Speaker 3: what they know is best.
20:36
Speaker 1: I think there was a postgame comment from Craig alburn
20:39
Speaker 1: As today that will get lost in the shuffle of
20:41
Speaker 1: all the anger over another Royal loss, and I'm paraphrase,
20:45
Speaker 1: I don't have it right in front of me. He
20:47
Speaker 1: said something like we were a little passive. We didn't
20:49
Speaker 1: go first to third on a couple of balls in
20:51
Speaker 1: the outfield. Was basically saying, we've got to be more aggressive.
20:56
Speaker 1: These things lead to wins. That's where you take the
20:58
Speaker 1: data they have old school baseball. I know the center fielder,
21:02
Speaker 1: his arm isn't great. I got to get the third
21:04
Speaker 1: on that hit, and bunting a guy up and keeping
21:07
Speaker 1: the lead double play in order. Those are the things
21:10
Speaker 1: that have worked for a hundred years. And now you
21:13
Speaker 1: take things that make you a better individual player on
21:15
Speaker 1: the data whatever. And the Rays are doing that, and
21:18
Speaker 1: the Oriels aren't right now, and the Orioles have all
21:21
Speaker 1: this talent, but fans get tired of hearing about it.
21:24
Speaker 1: And so what about albern AZ's comments. Was there a
21:27
Speaker 1: hidden message to the lineup there?
21:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought he was.
21:32
Speaker 3: I thought he was almost too calm the way he
21:34
Speaker 3: was talking with the media, after it was like what,
21:37
Speaker 3: he didn't take the loss super hard. He made a
21:39
Speaker 3: comment about the loss basically sucking. There was no other
21:42
Speaker 3: way to put it. He basically said it was just, yeah,
21:44
Speaker 3: that really hurt today. But he was just pointing out
21:48
Speaker 3: the little things to extend the lead. And I think
21:51
Speaker 3: that's where a lot of these games are kind of
21:54
Speaker 3: they have a chance to add on the run and
21:55
Speaker 3: they strike out with guys second and third one out.
21:58
Speaker 3: There was two innings there where the second and third
22:01
Speaker 3: less than two outs and they didn't get a run
22:03
Speaker 3: in to extend the lead. And I think that's where
22:05
Speaker 3: a lot of these games are kind of being lost
22:07
Speaker 3: by them right now, is when they have these leads
22:09
Speaker 3: is extending and if you get a five run lead,
22:11
Speaker 3: it's a way better than a three run leader or
22:13
Speaker 3: a two run lead, And just those tack on runs
22:16
Speaker 3: really paid dividends over a long season. And I think
22:19
Speaker 3: that's what he's just kind of pointing out, is the
22:21
Speaker 3: little things in the game that they're not doing at
22:23
Speaker 3: the highest level is costing them these wins. I think
22:27
Speaker 3: it was a message that we need to do the
22:29
Speaker 3: little things better. And I think that's basically what he
22:31
Speaker 3: was saying and saying in a very nice way, I thought,
22:36
Speaker 3: and I.
22:36
Speaker 5: Think it's it's more than just base running, right like,
22:39
Speaker 5: it gets to the or defense that we've been talking
22:42
Speaker 5: about for a while. And look at Colton Kowser. It
22:45
Speaker 5: was a really tough play last night, but I think
22:47
Speaker 5: he would say it's a play that he needed to
22:49
Speaker 5: make where it went off his glove. And then today
22:52
Speaker 5: just kind of kicking around the ball, or on Monday
22:56
Speaker 5: with Trevor Rodgers Jeremiah Jackson having a ball go off
22:59
Speaker 5: his glove. It's these little plays that add up to
23:05
Speaker 5: these extra runs and ultimately losses.
23:10
Speaker 1: If the Ools had won today, we'd be talking a
23:12
Speaker 1: heck of a lot about Shane Boss. So we need
23:15
Speaker 1: to note his performance and we will in a moment
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Speaker 1: So the tenth start of the year by Shane Bobs
23:41
Speaker 1: as an oriol was his best. The Rais went two
23:44
Speaker 1: for nineteen against him today and he had it all
23:48
Speaker 1: going on back to back quality starts after he didn't
23:51
Speaker 1: have one all year, so he's finally finding it, Brad.
23:54
Speaker 1: They noted on the telecast that the break on his
23:59
Speaker 1: knuckle curve, as that cast quantifies that pitch was lessened
24:04
Speaker 1: sharp or tighter, almost looked like a slider, not a curb.
24:09
Speaker 1: Did you see any of that? And it looks like
24:11
Speaker 1: he made an adjustment today that worked for him.
24:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's he's doing definitely something a little different. I think,
24:17
Speaker 3: once again going back to the day, he probably found
24:19
Speaker 3: something that his curveball might have been jumping a little
24:22
Speaker 3: bit higher and hitters are recognizing it more and they're
24:24
Speaker 3: able to lay off it in the dirt. But he
24:26
Speaker 3: was getting swings and missus at that pitch in the
24:28
Speaker 3: dirt today, So there's definitely something a little different. And
24:31
Speaker 3: he seems to be throwing a little bit more cutters
24:33
Speaker 3: than he had been recently too, so maybe there's something
24:36
Speaker 3: there too.
24:36
Speaker 2: But he's looked really what. He's looked really great these
24:38
Speaker 2: last couple of starts.
24:39
Speaker 3: I think this is the pitcher they hoped to get
24:42
Speaker 3: when he came over in the off season, So I
24:45
Speaker 3: think he's getting starting to figure out what repertoire is
24:48
Speaker 3: working best, and I think he's just kind of figure
24:50
Speaker 3: out that pitch is harder to recognize from hitters because
24:54
Speaker 3: I think the curbball is either sometimes, especially throw knuckle
24:56
Speaker 3: cerber has a tendency to pop out of the hand,
24:58
Speaker 3: and that's what pitchers do know a loile when they
25:00
Speaker 3: throw a curveball, as you see a little bit of pop,
25:03
Speaker 3: Hitters can recognize that immediately. They can either eliminate it
25:06
Speaker 3: and take it for a ball, or if it's something
25:08
Speaker 3: the zone, they know it's a good pitch to hit.
25:09
Speaker 3: So I think maybe just that little bit of a thing.
25:12
Speaker 3: But I did hear them talk about how the spin
25:14
Speaker 3: rate was actually down too, but they seem to be
25:16
Speaker 3: taking worse swings on it.
25:17
Speaker 2: So it's always interesting.
25:19
Speaker 3: I think that is the interesting part of data and
25:22
Speaker 3: all the analytics that they have is kind of just
25:24
Speaker 3: seeing these little tweaks and stuff like that that just
25:27
Speaker 3: because you spin the ball really well, it doesn't mean
25:29
Speaker 3: it's going to be a better pitch, and the break
25:31
Speaker 3: is more doesn't mean it's a more swing and miss pitch.
25:34
Speaker 2: It's always interesting to me to hear that kind of stuff.
25:37
Speaker 5: It's definitely been very encouraging seeing back to beck starts
25:40
Speaker 5: by Shane Bose and against quality opponents too. And I
25:44
Speaker 5: know the Nats aren't having a great season, but that's
25:46
Speaker 5: a really, really good offense. His last time out, he
25:48
Speaker 5: threw a career high one hundred and eight pitches. You
25:51
Speaker 5: could tell that he really wanted to finish that seventh
25:54
Speaker 5: inning there. And this start, guys, I thought was really
25:57
Speaker 5: interesting because the pitch count was up in the first
26:05
Speaker 5: cup able to kind of settle in and end up
26:08
Speaker 5: retiring the eleven straight batters to finish that start, So
26:12
Speaker 5: really encouraging stuff.
26:13
Speaker 4: At a chick Shane Bok forty.
26:15
Speaker 1: Seven pitches in the first two innings, forty seven in
26:18
Speaker 1: the last four. So that was a really nice turnaround.
26:23
Speaker 1: Now here you're talking about rough stats, here's a rough
26:25
Speaker 1: one for the offense. It shows you they got to
26:27
Speaker 1: get it going. Three runs are less four and twenty one.
26:31
Speaker 1: Five runs are more sixteen and five. Is that asking
26:35
Speaker 1: too much to get five runs? It's the best scoring
26:38
Speaker 1: teams in baseball average five runs, So I think the
26:42
Speaker 1: offense has to start to do this. If they had
26:45
Speaker 1: scored five or six today, they might win this ball game.
26:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's you know what it is. It's a
26:52
Speaker 3: lot of the home runs we're starting to see. I
26:54
Speaker 3: feel like they've all been solo homers. They just haven't
26:57
Speaker 3: had guys on base when they're doing damage, and it
26:59
Speaker 3: just kind.
27:00
Speaker 2: Of one of those things where it's all just kind
27:02
Speaker 2: of adding.
27:03
Speaker 3: I feel like the offensive players individually have been getting
27:06
Speaker 3: better the you know, sorry, Henderson looks way better recently.
27:13
Speaker 2: You know, obviously Adley's doing what he's been doing.
27:15
Speaker 3: Pete had a great series, but it's just not lining
27:18
Speaker 3: up together. They're not getting two of them doing it
27:20
Speaker 3: at the same time. Taylor Ward with the home run,
27:23
Speaker 3: that's encouraging. I think the wrists or hand or whatever
27:25
Speaker 3: he was dealing with is starting to seem better. He's
27:28
Speaker 3: hitting the ball harder. That home run yesterday was crushed.
27:31
Speaker 3: So it's it's just kind of not lining up together.
27:34
Speaker 3: And I think that's the other disappointing, frustrating part of
27:38
Speaker 3: all this is that they're not getting the guys kind
27:40
Speaker 3: of doing it at the same time.
27:41
Speaker 2: So it's just.
27:42
Speaker 3: Kind of, I don't know, it's kind of had a
27:45
Speaker 3: loss of words, really, when with this offense is expected
27:48
Speaker 3: to do all this damage and score these runs, and
27:50
Speaker 3: you see that stat. That's a lot of games to
27:53
Speaker 3: be scoring three runs or less.
27:55
Speaker 1: A lot of games. Now, quick quick question for me,
27:57
Speaker 1: run out of time. A lot of criticism on my
28:00
Speaker 1: feeds late in the game where he didn't go left
28:03
Speaker 1: on left against Iran, the late he only had ake
28:06
Speaker 1: and and ends. He pitched Nunez, who, by the way,
28:10
Speaker 1: is one fifty nine against left. He's been good against
28:13
Speaker 1: both sides batters. Did Albernas make a mistake of not
28:18
Speaker 1: matching up left on left leading three to one with
28:22
Speaker 1: the al RBI leader in the box?
28:27
Speaker 3: I would say, I don't think so, because Nunia has
28:30
Speaker 3: been his eighth inning guy with the lead in the
28:32
Speaker 3: since Helson has been on the DL.
28:33
Speaker 2: So I think it's just yeah, I don't. I don't
28:36
Speaker 2: think he made a mistake.
28:37
Speaker 3: I think you just he had those He has had
28:39
Speaker 3: those guys slot at eight nine, Rico Garcia and Nunez
28:43
Speaker 3: anytime they've had a lead. And I just don't think
28:45
Speaker 3: you you turned from that. If he brings in a
28:47
Speaker 3: lefty and he gives up hits that everybody's gonna be
28:49
Speaker 3: talking about, Oh, why didn't they pitch Nunez. He's been
28:51
Speaker 3: their eighth inning guy the whole time. I've just always
28:53
Speaker 3: have been a big believer. You stick with those rules,
28:56
Speaker 3: especially late in the game. Tyler Wills is pitching way better.
28:59
Speaker 3: He is your eighth inning guy right now. I think
29:02
Speaker 3: I think him and Nunez could go back and forth,
29:04
Speaker 3: whether you know, depending on who's coming out. But I
29:06
Speaker 3: don't think he made a mistake using Yunyaz there. He's
29:08
Speaker 3: been his guy in the thinning. He has a lot
29:09
Speaker 3: of trust in him.
29:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Garcia he's the high leverage guy. No, I
29:16
Speaker 4: agree with Brad. I just think that that's kind of
29:18
Speaker 4: the role that he's been in.
29:20
Speaker 5: And look, you expect Nunez and Garcia with the two
29:23
Speaker 5: run lead in the eighth inning, that they're going to
29:25
Speaker 5: get the job done a heck of a lot more
29:27
Speaker 5: often than none.
29:29
Speaker 1: Bullpen gave up fourteen runs and nine innings in Tampa.
29:32
Speaker 1: A lot of that was Monday night, but the all
29:34
Speaker 1: three games had some moments that were not great. So
29:37
Speaker 1: that where do they go from here? What are you
29:40
Speaker 1: guys thinking we're going to see here during an upcoming
29:43
Speaker 1: nine game homestand.
29:45
Speaker 3: Hopefully more than five runs and start getting some outs
29:49
Speaker 3: to start getting the third out of the inning, get
29:53
Speaker 3: out of these innings. They gave up sixteen to two
29:55
Speaker 3: out runs this series, and it just seems to be
29:58
Speaker 3: this this. I think that just keeps going on this season.
30:01
Speaker 3: So I'm hoping to see some more offense at home.
30:03
Speaker 3: It's starting to warm up in Baltimore. Ball is going
30:06
Speaker 3: to start flying, get some guys on base and have
30:08
Speaker 3: some big home runs as opposed to be sol Horns,
30:11
Speaker 3: and just get the starting pitching going again. I think
30:13
Speaker 3: these last two starts are encouraging, and I think the
30:15
Speaker 3: offense needs to see if we can score four runs,
30:17
Speaker 3: five runs with our starting pitching.
30:19
Speaker 2: We got a shot.
30:22
Speaker 5: Gotta get back on track, and it starts with this
30:24
Speaker 5: weekend against the Tigers. You know, heading into taping tonight,
30:27
Speaker 5: they've lost fourteen of sixteen games, so they're really really
30:31
Speaker 5: scuffling coming in. You gotta take that series. Then the
30:34
Speaker 5: Rays come to town. But hey, you can go back
30:37
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks. The Orioles got blown out in
30:40
Speaker 5: that four game series in the Bronx. They ended up
30:42
Speaker 5: coming back and winning the series when the Yankees came
30:45
Speaker 5: to Baltimore, so it wouldn't be unheard of for them
30:48
Speaker 5: to rebound in that way at Camden Yards.
30:52
Speaker 1: We don't hear billing at Camden Yards often, but we've
30:55
Speaker 1: heard it a little bit this year. And the fans
30:57
Speaker 1: are so henry right now that if this team he's
31:00
Speaker 1: an egg this weekend, some people might express themselves. So
31:03
Speaker 1: it's up to the Orioles, the entire organization from top
31:07
Speaker 1: to bottom, to start doing better and give us more
31:10
Speaker 1: exciting things to talk about and calm the fans' nerves
31:14
Speaker 1: a little bit, because everybody's kind of frazzled and frayed
31:16
Speaker 1: tonight in Birdland because of this sweep by the Rays.
31:21
Speaker 1: That'll do it for our show thanks to Brad and Tim.
31:23
Speaker 1: I'm Steve Muleski. Will catch you next time on Birdland
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Speaker 1: Territory