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- Efrain: We're back here with the Heart and Hustle podcast. We got Mr. Brock virtually. Where are you visiting from, Brock? Brock Yetso: Baltimore, Maryland. Efrain: Born and raised? Brock Yetso: yeah, if you're from Baltimore you wouldn't say that, but I was born in a in a sub suburb south of Baltimore, wa Columbia, Maryland, towards D C. But yes, the Baltimore area. Efrain: What keeps you there, man? I mean, a lot of times people want to go and visit other places, other states, spread their f wings a little bit. Brock Yetso: You know, we call it Charm City for a reason. It's got a lot of charm. and it's a great place to live and raise a family. I I was fortunate that I I grew up in a in a large family, one of five siblings, and a lot of my siblings have have, you know, stayed in the area. and you know, it's it's where I where I learned to live. and after I got out of school at University of Virginia, I decided to come back, had an opportunity to come back and I've never looked back. So yeah, it's a great place to raise a family and and and live a life. Efrain: What did you go to school for? Brock Yetso: So I studied economics at University of Virginia. I was also a student athlete, so I played division one college soccer. So some would argue I went there to play soccer. I would also argue as my parents would that I I went there to learn, but I got a business degree. Efrain: Love it. And you're using that today if you can just kinda tell us the organization that you're representing and your your role with them. Brock Yetso: Absolutely. So Ullman Foundation is an organization that I I'm humble and proud to have led for the past twenty five years. We are a nonprofit organization that was started actually almost thirty years ago. Twenty twenty seven is our thirtieth anniversary. but our mission is is really quite simple yet profound, is to build a community of support to ensure that no young adult has to face cancer alone. and so I I would have never imagined I I'd be, you know, standing in these shoes, in this role for over two decades. but I will say a lot of my my learnings, life learnings and and classroom learnings as a as a business entrepreneur have certainly translated into the work that I'm doing in the social impact sector. Efrain: Twenty five years, man. That's a lot. That definitely takes a lot of passion and a lot of purpose because as you mentioned, you got to it very early on. So it wasn't about the paycheck. What've kept you? What was that why that's kept you there, man, almost three decades? Brock Yetso: Yeah, well I'll definitely comment on the paycheck to start with. You know, I prior to prior to this, I was a a professional soccer Efrain: Ha ha ha. Brock Yetso: player. Got out of school, had the the beauty and and opportunity to get paid to play a sport that I love. and and the times have changed in professional soccer in the United States. But I always joke, the only only career that makes more than a professional soccer player is a nonprofit employee or a teacher. So at the time I I got a pay raise. but you know, I fell into this work to be totally candid. It was it was the calling. It it it called me. the organization was started by a dear friend of mine, Doug Ullman. Doug is a three-time cancer survivor. and he was diagnosed as a sophomore in college. he was at Brown University when I was at Virginia, and I was probably the first phone call outside of family when he was trying to navigate his journey and and there was no Ullman Foundation. And he struggled. he struggled to get second opinions, he struggled to find peer support, all the things that we as an organization now do and have done for over two decades. And and so I got involved as a friend, as a volunteer. Efrain: Well. Brock Yetso: and like like all of us, right? Cancer doesn't discriminate. It shows up on your doorstep at some point in your life. And as a recent college graduate in nineteen ninety nine, my mom was diagnosed with stage four colorectal cancer. And you know, it was devastating. you know, I I grew up a good life, right? I you know, I I had all the resources in the world. We live in Baltimore, so we're we're healthcare capital of of the country and had access to everything that we needed, yet despite that, it was it was You know, there wasn't a roadmap for me or my family. And and Ullman Foundation and Doug were critical to our journey and helping us, as we call it, navigate. And so I I went through my own personal journey. Unfortunately, my mom ran out of town, sorry, out of time and is no longer with us. But her you know, her legacy and and the work that I saw Olman do for me and our family at the bedside, and and and after her journey was just life changing. And so I I stumbled into this work. I was the first full time paid employee twenty five years ago this year. And yeah, have just kind of put my head down and and surrounded myself with people that are complimentary to who I am and what I do, but also many times smarter than I am and gotten out of the way and and let them build an incredible organization. Efrain: So many things really dissect out of that. one, Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: sorry for your loss on on on your mom, but to know that you're still really doing this 'cause of a legacy, right? Her legacy, Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: your friend's legacy, and what what what ended up happen to Douglas? Did we lose Douglas as well or Brock Yetso: No, no, Doug's still great. Yeah, he's a three time survivor. So he's a a father of two beautiful children. Efrain: Wow. Brock Yetso: he he now runs another incredible organization in Ohio called Pelotonia that raises millions of dollars for the Ohio State James Cancer Center. and he still sits on our board. him and his mother were our founders. his mother sits on on our board and the family is, you know, they they're still involved, they're donating, they're volunteering. So it's it's really a beautiful story. Efrain: Man, so yeah, y you're definitely carrying that torch for for so many reasons. you know, so that's truly amazing. And you talked about you being the first employee, paid employee, twenty five years ago. Where do you guys sit now when it comes to employees? Brock Yetso: Yeah, we we have about twenty-five full time employees. and we're we're growing, we're in an expansion phase. So we're actively thinking hiring two new patient navigators right now. And then over the course of the next twelve to twenty four months we'll we'll add additional headcount to help more people. But yeah, it's you know, having this conversation takes me back to to the days when I was alone in an office and hired my first full time AmeriCorps. employee. but we've come come a long way. and if there's anything I've I've learned it's right, it's surrounding yourself with great people that are committed to the cause. Efrain: Yeah, that that is pretty crazy, I would say, for you to kinda go back and say, Man, I remember when I was doing this alone and now I have a hell of a team. And I can imagine that even being on that soccer team has also given you so much insight to what you're doing today. What do you think being that professional soccer or even being a a college athlete has taught you along the way to be where you're at today? Brock Yetso: say almost everything. I mean I I truly believe sports are such a great metaphor and training camp for for life and for business. you know, I'm I'm fortunate to have three young kids that all play sports. My wife was a a college soccer player as well. So so we certainly have an athlete mindset in our household and we carry that over into the the things that we do in the community and certainly in our workplace and that happens at home and it you know it it It teaches you to to to work with other people, right? It's you know, I've I've I've been on a lot of teams as a soccer player and some of our s my so our our most successful teams did not have the best players, right? It's about working to their collaboration, teamwork, sacrifice. it teaches you to have tough conversations and and give and receive feedback, right? As as a as an athlete, right? You don't get better unless you ask the coach or your teammates like, what can I more of, less of or different? Right. And that's something that we we talk a lot about at Ollman Foundation. feedback is a gift. If you're not giving it, you're not receiving it, you're not getting better. And if you're not pushing yourself into a space of being uncomfortable, which I did, every single day as an athlete, you're you're not getting better and and moving the mission forward. So you know, back to your question, like it's it's it's a lot and it's almost everything. And I I often and and the team probably gets sick of it. Well use sport metaphors, right? Hey, you know, we're in the fifty yard line. How do we get into field goal Efrain: Ha ha ha. Brock Yetso: range? And I'm not even a football player. or, you know, we have a we have a we have a great group of folks that are, you know, on the bench, you know, how do we, you know, train them up so that they can step into a different position. So the the list goes on. But I think it's critical to how at least I've I've built and sort of written my entrepreneurial story and helped the organization go from you know, an idea to a founder, to the first employees to now twenty five employees and growing. Efrain: I have to ask, man, who's a better soccer player? You or your wife? Brock Yetso: Wow, that's a great question. She would tell you me I know, no. No, Efrain: Don't get in trouble by the way, Brock. Don't get in trouble because of me, all right? Brock Yetso: she would tell you me, Efrain: Mm-hmm. Brock Yetso: by by sort of accomplishments and and and press clips, you know, if if they don't have those anymore. I would tell you her, 'cause I'm a smart husband and she was an incredible, incredibly talented player. I I will say what is interesting is we were both goalkeepers. soccer goalkeepers, Efrain: Really? Brock Yetso: yeah, which is is interesting, unique, bizarre, cute, weird, whatever you want to call it. but our our our poor kids, only one of them decided to go in goal. The other two are smart enough to stay out of it. but she's she's a heck of a Efrain: I was gonna say so kids are playing soccer. Brock Yetso: they are playing soccer. What I I will give her one hundred percent credit for and she is she's a much better coach. she does a great job of of articulating the game to young young women and men as she's coaching, so Efrain: She's coaching as well. Okay. Brock Yetso: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We both coach. We both coach our kids. I coach high school soccer, I coach college soccer. so it's it's a sport and back to your you know, your your question, like it's given so much to me. And it's not just the sport, it's it's the individuals. it's the coaches that when I was U eight to U ten that you know reminded me to line line our bags up in a line to tuck my shirt in, to polish my shoes. all those little things have added up and and and I I try to pay them forward. It's tough to get kids to tuck their shirt in nowadays, but there's a lot of lessons learned from the field and and the people that we we were blessed to to spend time with that we try to try to pay it forward. Efrain: Where do you find the time, man? You talked about, you know, doing the coaching, also running this business, growing this business, not even just running it, really growing a business. Where do you find time for yourself? Brock Yetso: You know, we all have time, right? Like I I think it's time is an i is an interesting thing, right? I think you you make time for the things that are important to you, and that are a priority. and so if if it's something that you're you're great at or you care about or you feel like you can make an impact, whether it's an individual, whether it's a a cause, whether it's family, whether it's a company, you just make the time. So it's tough to answer that question. I don't know where I find it. I I do, I I find it. and and the the challenging part is oftentimes you have to make sacrifices. so you have to say no to things, which is something I'm not good at, but something that as as you you get older and more mature in your personal professional career, you have to get better at. Because as you get better and and start to master certain things and and people call on you to to help coach a team or to help mentor an employee, you have to to pick and choose what is you know the biggest priority and the biggest impact area for you. So I I don't know how we do it but I but I find the time. Efrain: Well actually a different question then kind of related Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: to the same thing. How do you recharge? What do you do to find that that, you know I would say to get your cup filled again? Brock Yetso: That's a great question. You know, my family's first for me. So it's it's being disciplined and scheduling. you know, I say it's not on our schedule, it's not gonna happen. Right. So for certainly my wife and I, right, like scheduling and making the time for for for us, right? We just got back from a trip to London. We went over there for Efrain: Okay. Brock Yetso: for for a long weekend and and went and watched two EPL matches, man new Man City and and Everton Tottenham. And and a lot of our friends were like, my gosh, like you have three kids, you're coaching all these teams, you both got like how do you find the time? And you have to make the time, right? Because my wife and I and our marriage and our relationship is is critical to filling us up so that we can show up for our kids and our in our in our jobs. so you find the time. So for me, it's it's my family, right? It's it's making the time to go to my son's game, you know, my son's soccer game today, right? It's Efrain: Mm. Brock Yetso: making the time this weekend to to go support my daughter when she's playing. So whatever it is, whether it's sports, relationships, for me I fill myself up by by spending time with family. I'll I'll get out for a a round of golf here and there, which which which helps to be with some friends and and and and have a good time, but it really it's about family. Efrain: That's cool, man. I I think it's definitely cool from a leader perspective of where you've come and how you continue to just carry yourself as a leader because it is so important that we learn sometimes how to say the no or not right now, not so much a no, but Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: not right now per se. Because yeah, family i is first and we only have but so much mm time before they decide that they're going to go off to college and they're going to go create their own lives. so we gotta really cherish the time that we have with them. I just last night my I had both my kids laying in the bed and w we hate to do that, but you know, I woke up this morning and the smile on my face, like, man, this is cute. You know, how to take a picture of Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: it of of them as I left them to go to do other things. But it's those moments that truly just give us, wow, look what I've created. because you know, we we only got that one life, man. We only get to do this one time. Brock Yetso: They say you there's a great book, the family family board meeting. and the the author, husband and wife, they came to Baltimore and they they did a a dinner with a bunch of entrepreneurs and and the concept is you only have eighteen summers, right? After Efrain: And yeah. Brock Yetso: that eighteen summer, like they're grown up. They may or may not come back to spend it with you and and so Efrain: Yeah. Brock Yetso: how do we how do we show up for for ourselves, for our families, for our kids, and how do we do it with the same rigor and discipline that we do it in our companies, right? And literally Efrain: Yeah. Brock Yetso: scheduling. I mean we have, you know, we have weekly one on ones with our team. We have, you know, end a quarter, we have end a year re all those things like, you know, how you have the same discipline and commitment to your kids and and your your family? and so we need to be better as a family, but we try to you know make sure that we schedule those times to to be with each other and and and and also do it as an individual. Like it's one thing to be with how many kids do you have every too. Right. So and you you can even appreciate like if you're with both kids, that's a totally different dynamic than if you're just with one of them. Right. And so sort of doing that, making sure you you take your son or your daughter out individually to to get to know them and what what makes them tick. Efrain: Yeah, for sure. I'd I've definitely tried to do that because I found a lot a lot of times it was with my daughter 'cause she's the older one. Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: my son was still kind of, you know, mommy, mommy, mommy, but now realizing okay, let me just take him. And there's always a fight about that, but Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: having to know listen, you've had your moments, okay? You you were Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: th that young one at one point. You were the only one at one point. So I Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: got to kind of show your your son that. What do you w hope that your kids take value wise, man, out of you as a father and you and your your wife as the mother, like We we always hope that they can take things. They won't take everything, but what are those things that you hope that they take? Brock Yetso: you know, empathy. Yeah, one of the things that I've had the the fortune and and the opportunity to to see and learn at the work that I do at Ullman Foundation for almost three decades is is is is grief firsthand, right? And the struggles that people are going through. and so making sure that my kids appreciate the the the opportunity and the privilege that they have. And being empathetic to those that that aren't as fortunate as us, whatever they're dealing with, whether it's recovery, whether it's illness, whether it's insecurity, right? You know, you know, my kids are young, they're in schools, there's bullies, there's all you know, there's technology, all that stuff. So so empathy is a big one. the other thing is is curiosity, right? And I'm big on this in in the work that I do is you know, there's there's no substitute for just being incredibly almost dangerously curious, right? Just asking asking questions that may not seem like they're intelligent, right? But they're just they're just being curious. I always say like one of the fun games we play with our kids when we go on on family trips, we do it a lot on skiing vacations, is who can meet the the most interesting stranger? Right? You know, we're a family of five. I would argue that we're gonna be surrounded by hundreds of people that are way more interesting than us. Right. And we know everything about us. So if you're on a ski lift or if you're in a coffee shop or like who can meet the most interesting person, just being deeply curious about who people are, where they're coming from. And in that journey, you're gonna learn a lot about, you know, what makes them tick, what are their struggles, what are their aspirations. and so it's certainly manifests at work that we're doing at Ulman, you know, we gotta be deeply curious and understanding the people that we're serving. the people that are supporting us. so curiosity is is another big one, empathy, curiosity. And I think the last is just you know an a a passion for life and whatever you're gonna do. you know, I Efrain: Okay. Brock Yetso: I've learned, you know, I I I I was a business degree, I came out of school during the dot com boom. So a lot of a lot of friends of mine went out west to go make a lot of money and work for for technology companies. The whole other handful went to Wall Street to do banking. And I wasn't afforded that opportunity. My mom was diagnosed and I chose to stay home when I was playing pro soccer. But I truly say this this organization was this job was a calling for me, right? It and so I I was feel fortunate I sort of fell into it, but it's become such a passion. And so whatever you're gonna do, and my kids certainly, whatever they decide to do in life, like if you're not passionate about it, it's it's going to it's gonna become a job. It's gonna become a task, Efrain: Mm-hmm. Brock Yetso: it's gonna become a burden. and i and you know, richness and and and happiness and wealth are not defined in the size of your home or the the the type of car you have or the the the or the numbers on in your bank account, right? So yeah, just being passionate Efrain: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Brock Yetso: about what you do and how they how they live their lives. Efrain: Kind of back to what we mentioned at the beginning of it. It's like don't chase that paycheck, chase passion and purpose. Like that's what really Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: fills your cup and brings happiness when you realize that, man, I'm not even doing this work for me. Like I'm truly, as you mentioned, it it doesn't even feel like work. I can imagine, Brock, as Brock Yetso: Just right. Efrain: everything you're selling me is that it never feels like work because you realize that you're making a difference in somebody else's life. Something that you wish you had possibly when you were going through some of these own your own situations, you know, that your your friend may have wanted when he was going through his own situations. Like you're in this space now where you can do that for somebody else. And that fills your cup as well when you can see that person kind of cross the finish line and know they had the resources that you once wish you had. I think that's the beauty in that, you know, for sure. Brock Yetso: Yeah, a hundred percent. And there and there just may be a paycheck at the end. Who knows? Paycheck college. Yeah, yeah. Efrain: Yeah, exactly. The paycheck f I always say the paycheck follows, man. You do do passion and purpose and the paycheck follows. I'm really interested. You talked about the dot com boom. We're in a boom Brock Yetso: Yeah, yeah. Efrain: now in a sense of AI, where you Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: you pro are you leaning into it? What is your thoughts on AI and what that may look like for you guys as you guys are growing? Brock Yetso: Yeah, you know, w I'm definitely leaning into it, right? I I as a an older statesman in my organization, I'm forty nine years old. I have majority of my team are are younger than me. so I you know, I'm leaning into it and and looking to some of them who understand it or are leveraging it. I think as an organization that is not required, it it's important for us to be lean, right? To maximize the dollars that are donated. we'd be remiss and and full if if not to leverage ai to to maximize the efficiency of the work that we're doing. Right. So so we're definitely using AI, trying to use AI in all in all fronts, right? of how we deliver our mission, how we how we engage with donors, how we communicate with our community, because it can make things a lot more effective and efficient in the way that you do your work. as a you know, as a dad of y of young kids, I'm sorry, but there's a curiosity of how AI shows up in in our world and then in you know in education, right? You know, and I'm still trying to figure that out, right? You know, I think some some some of the schools are trying to figure out how do they use AI or don't use AI. And remember I asked one of my my oldest son once, I said, Hey have you ever used Chat GPT? And I was using it more of like a curiosity, like because I needed help. And he's like, God, I would never do that. And I'm like, and so that was that was a while ago, but I feel like that's Efrain: Yeah. Brock Yetso: sort of part of the response that you're seeing in some of the community is like they're anti-AI. And so I would say I'm I'm more leaning into it. and then now we're obviously, you know, going into a a chapter of AI of of is it is it safe, right? and I'm I'm just starting to to sort of read or write that chapter a little bit. So I don't know I don't know where I stand, but it's definitely I would say it's more more of a a technology that we as an organization and as a as a leader are leaning into than than than you know stepping away from a pushing back. Efrain: Yeah. I mean it's a tool, you know, like anything else, Brock Yetso: Yeah, yeah. Efrain: like the internet was a tool. And of course there's Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: the the the bad and the good in it. But as you mentioned, is how do we continue to create those guardrails around it? I was actually Brock Yetso: Mm-hmm. Efrain: about a week or so I was reading because I thought to myself, the students are gonna use it. The next generation will be using it. I mean, we are already using it. They don't even realize they're using it, I would say. Brock Yetso: Right. Efrain: And when I went to the school and I was trying to help them that repetitive work. So I trying to help one of the counselors like you doing this repetitive work, like let me kind of show you what this looks like when you can use a cloud or a chat GPT. And it's blocked out on the school level, right? And I Brock Yetso: Yeah. Yeah. Efrain: was like, man, the kids I could imagine are using it for some paperwork or for whatever. It may look like ideas, resources, but we're not really educating them. So we're kind of it's almost a disservice. So it looks like now in the next coming school year, it is where they're going to implement it, but the t the parents need to sign off on it. so they're slowly we'll probably see it completely 100% implemented in our schools, but it looks like they're finding those small ways of how do we start to actually get there. but Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: yeah, it let's be honest. At some point we will all be using it the same way that we all use the internet, the same way we all use Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: social media. so I'm la I'm happy that you're leaning to it as an organization. But and then I would you talk about growth. What does growth look like to you outside of technology? Like what are some of those things you're wanting to see. I know you mentioned more adding more people to the team, but what does that look Brock Yetso: Yeah, yeah. Efrain: like growth wise? Brock Yetso: Yeah, we're we're in a a campaign mode. So we're actively adding team members, raising raising capital to to build buildings, to add more programs, to help more people and and also to help them in a more deep and meaningful way. so as an organization, we you know, we help roughly fifteen to eighteen hundred people a year. and that's predominantly in the DC, Maryland, Virginia market. And those are young adults newly diagnosed with cancer and and folks that move into survivorship in our community. And our goal over the next couple of years is is to more than double that, which would get us to a space where we're helping roughly ninety percent of the adolescents and young adults that are facing cancer in our our geographic market. and so that's what growth looks like for us and it's not just to help more people, but to really meet the moment, right? We're in a mental health crisis. You know, food insecurity is at an all time high. behavioral health challenges, right? The you know, financial toxicity. I mean the list goes on. and so some of the needs of our patients and families we're seeing today are far far greater and darker than they have been in in my 25 years here. And so we can't just add more people to help more people. We need to add more people to build capacity in those people to help the the needs that are just more challenging than we've ever seen. and so we're excited about that. what I will say is, you know, as much growth and as much scaling as we're trying to do in our programs, we're also realistic in in what impact looks like for an organization of our size. one of the I think the things that nonprofits get into is you know, we're gonna we're gonna change the world. Right. And regardless of size, it could be a one person organization or it could be a twenty-five person organization, or it could be a thousands of employee nonprofit organization. and they're they they fundamentally struggle to to to sort of governor themselves into like what's realistic? What's realistic for a three million dollar budget a twenty five million twenty-five person organization to do. And so what that's one of the things that we've I would say over the past ten years really done a good job of really just dialing in like what does impact look like for us? How many people is that? What are the outcomes we're we're aiming to to have on those people? and that is success. Right. We're we're, you know, we're one of the few organizations in the country serving adolescent young adults. And so it would be easy to say we're gonna help every young adult diagnose with cancer all over the United States. That's not realistic. and so growth to us, those are sort of the numbers associated, the and and the the ways we're gonna change their lives. but I'm really proud of the way that we're we're actually being authentic and realistic and honest with ourselves about what does that mean and what are we capable of doing. Efrain: Brock, when you talk about organizations, the nonprofits, we talk about financials, so many organizations are also in panic mode, right? I think it's just definitely Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: a place to be where we need to pivot more than anything. and let's Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: see what that actually looks like. But are you guys in that space where you guys were also in pivoting mode right now? I wouldn't say panic mode, 'cause I Brock, you seem like a leader that's not going to panic. Brock Yetso: Yeah, yeah. Efrain: You're gonna pivot. But what does that look like for you guys right now? Brock Yetso: What's funny, we were talking about my wife earlier who's, you know, my my partner and supports me and challenges me and and you know, I've been doing this for twenty five years and she's always like, Are you guys, you know, going out of business? 'Cause you always come home at this point in the year and are are in panic mode. and I said, I don't know, maybe. And and I feel like that's part of any good entrepreneur. Like you you push yourself into the organization to to a to a threshold and to an edge where you almost sort of thrive off of that that bit of of panic. but we're we're not in panic mode. I mean we're we have a healthy balance sheet, we have an incredible team, a a really strong culture that drives who we are and what we do. We have an amazing board of directors with genuine individuals that are, you know, in very strong roles in their their various companies that are supporting the organization. And we have a great a great story that we're we're writing and telling of how we're helping young cancer patients and families through housing, through, through hospital-based programming, through community-based programming. So we're not in panic mode. I would say there's moments where I'm panicking as a leader. but Efrain: Ha ha ha. Brock Yetso: but but I didn't need to take a step back and realize all right that we're we're in good shape. We've got great team. We have a a great we have a great balance sheet and we have a great great plan to get to where we're trying Efrain: I love this. Brock, I love the conversation. I definitely could keep you here for the rest of the day and just kind of continue to pick your brain on things. But I think it it's you've given so much insight in what it looks like to juggle so many different things at once, what it looks like to as you mentioned, pivot and not panic during these times, because Brock Yetso: Right. Efrain: it is a very crucial time for nonprofits, those in the health healthcare industry. And sometimes we just gotta see another leader that you mention like you mentioned, hey. you may think you're in panic mode, but when you look at it from a different, you know, perspective, there's a lot of W's and I get that all the time. Someone says, Efraine, you always worrying about what's next, but you haven't really seen all the W's you had along the way. Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: And it's like, I guess I gotta start to write these things down. So for those that are listening, I hope that they continue to just remember that. Remember their why as well. A lot of times Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: we're so quick to, you know, get in that panic mode, but remember why we do it for and why we started you know. I think that's also something that we got to remember. But where can people continue to connect with you, man? Are what's the website? Are you guys on socials Brock Yetso: Yes. Efrain: for those that may want to tap in? Brock Yetso: Absolutely. So oldmanfoundation.org is the website. So please check us out and visit. There's ways to plug in. There's there's ways to contribute. If you're in our area, there's ways to volunteer. and certainly if you're someone impacted by cancer, we help people anywhere and everywhere. we have programming and support resources that are available beyond the Baltimore area. we're on all the social channels from Instagram, it's again at Olman Foundation. so pretty simple across the board. Facebook, yeah, please plug in, follow us, support us. we always say, you know, one in two men, one in three women are gonna be impacted by cancer. The chances that you're gonna need an organization like ours in your corner are are pretty high. and we wanna be be a household name when when someone in your your community is impacted by cancer. Efrain: Brock, thank you so much for the conversation today, man. May you continue to just spend another 25 years doing the work. Brock Yetso: Yeah. Efrain: because you are definitely changing lives and impacting the future. So thank you guys. If you guys are still watching, make sure you guys like, subscribe, and comment. I'm Efrain. This is Brock. I will catch you on the next one. Latest. Brock Yetso: Thank you.