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Katie Woolf spoke with Chief Minister Michael Gunner · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio is the Chief Minister, Michael Gunner.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning, Yeah, well have you recovered from all your
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  Speaker 1: luxA eating?
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  Speaker 2: I think I have to take a break from luxA
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  Speaker 2: for a while. It's a big lot of luxA.
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  Speaker 3: It's a big call to not eat luxA for a while.
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  Speaker 3: Do you mean just a week.
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  Speaker 4: Or contest a couple of days off? In some way
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  Speaker 4: it's controversial for choks to go back to back. Nothing
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  Speaker 4: against chos, but there's just so much good luxA in
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  Speaker 4: the territory that you know, Amry or a Yade or
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  Speaker 4: Ronde or a deck Bar or Eleasa's or the list
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  Speaker 4: can go.
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  Speaker 2: On and on and on.
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  Speaker 4: To go back to back is quite an extraordinary effort.
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  Speaker 4: Lots of bragging rights out at Chalk's Place right now.
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  Speaker 1: Good on them and a great event. Lots of people
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  Speaker 1: out there, lots of people enjoying that. Now we know
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  Speaker 1: that today the Northern Territory is opening the borders to
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  Speaker 1: the whole of Victoria. Melbourne residents are going to be
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  Speaker 1: able to travel to the Northern Territory for the first
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  Speaker 1: time since the second wave of COVID. With Melbourne being
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  Speaker 1: removed though from the territories list of coronavirus hotspots from today,
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  Speaker 1: more people are expected to come here to the territory,
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  Speaker 1: which is obviously good thing. Chief are you feeling confident
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  Speaker 1: as those borders open to Melbourne, effectively opening the Northern
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  Speaker 1: territory up to all of Australia.
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  Speaker 4: I think the first few times that we lifted the
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  Speaker 4: borders with a lot of nervousness. I think now we
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  Speaker 4: know what we're doing, and if anything, I probably feel
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  Speaker 4: most confident about Victoria. They've had extraordinary self discipline to
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  Speaker 4: get to where they've got to, so they're probably the
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  Speaker 4: safest of everyone that we've let in. They're now technically
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  Speaker 4: got coronavirus eliminated in Victoria. They're not obviously taking any
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  Speaker 4: internationals in. There's probably our strongest risk at the moment,
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  Speaker 4: they're not doing that. So there there's been no coronavirus
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  Speaker 4: in Victoria for what thirty two through three days.
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  Speaker 2: I've almost lost count. Now they've had that many donuts.
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  Speaker 4: So I feel very confident around Victorian's coming in, Malbournian's
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  Speaker 4: sorry coming in and just again just a huge tick
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  Speaker 4: to them what they've done. I don't think any of
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  Speaker 4: us will ever appreciate, really the extent of that lockdown
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  Speaker 4: and what it meant to the people living there to
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  Speaker 4: physically go through that. But they're very welcome now into
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  Speaker 4: the territory.
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  Speaker 1: Now we know that those additional contact tracing measures set
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  Speaker 1: to come into play today.
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  Speaker 3: Are businesses ready so probably a.
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  Speaker 4: Cup all important things to note here. Google is absolutely ready.
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  Speaker 4: I believe businesses by and large are ready. We've said
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  Speaker 4: you can have pen and paper. You probably do need
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  Speaker 4: to have some pen and paper available because not everyone
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  Speaker 4: has a phone.
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  Speaker 2: The Apple store hasn't updated yet.
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  Speaker 4: Apparently they got very busy over the Black Friday Thanksgiving sales.
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  Speaker 4: I apologize, won't my aavid about that. I'm not really
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  Speaker 4: into the Black Friday scene. But so Apple should be
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  Speaker 4: ready by midday, we're hoping. So we'll be talking with
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  Speaker 4: them a lot. Google is Apple's Apples watching way, and
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  Speaker 4: the pen and paper.
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  Speaker 2: Should be ready.
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  Speaker 1: So does that mean that the QR code isn't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: ready to go at these points?
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  Speaker 4: So the QR code is ready for anyone of an
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  Speaker 4: Android phone. Apple, We've been talking with them. They said
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  Speaker 4: they've got busy over the weekend of the Thanksgiving sales
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  Speaker 4: and haven't put into their Apple app store yet where
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  Speaker 4: hopefully it will be up by midday. Apples say, not
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  Speaker 4: far away, but you can download the app right now
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  Speaker 4: in our Android. It's not available yet on the Apple Phone.
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  Speaker 4: So I just wanted to make sure people realize that
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  Speaker 4: we're across it. We're talking to Apple about giving it
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  Speaker 4: a little bit a hurry out that they recognize that
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  Speaker 4: we want it by midday.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I reckon.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
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  Speaker 1: So in the meantime, though, what if you advised businesses
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  Speaker 1: to do they need to just get out the old
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  Speaker 1: pen and paper.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're probably going to have to have pen
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  Speaker 4: and paper anyway for those people who didn't have a phone,
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  Speaker 4: but obviously Apples probably I'm gonna say half the phones
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  Speaker 4: out there are Apple. You have it slightly more demand
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  Speaker 4: for paper than you might have otherwise expected in the
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  Speaker 4: first instance. But also, let's be clear, we're not coming
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  Speaker 4: down on any of a ton of bricks in the
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  Speaker 4: first couple of days. This is about getting used to
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  Speaker 4: the fact we've got a QR code coming in. Police
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  Speaker 4: environmental health officers are going to go from an education
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  Speaker 4: point of view in the first in the first little
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  Speaker 4: while not in the enforcement point of views, but getting
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  Speaker 4: people into the habit of having the QR code and
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  Speaker 4: the additional layer of tracing.
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  Speaker 1: It's a bit of a stuff up, though, isn't it
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  Speaker 1: for us to not have the QR codes ready to
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  Speaker 1: go on the on the Apple phones.
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  Speaker 4: Also, we lodged all when we should and you know
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  Speaker 4: Google got it done in time, so we are confident
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  Speaker 4: that we did what we need to do.
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  Speaker 2: From our end, Apple are apologetic.
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  Speaker 4: They're saying they just got busy with the Black fried
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  Speaker 4: and it should be fine today. So look, I understand
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  Speaker 4: where you're coming from, but I've asked those questions myself,
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  Speaker 4: and they say, you know, we gave them all the
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  Speaker 4: those you normally you should give for something to go
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  Speaker 4: into the Apple store, and Apple store is are saying
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  Speaker 4: they got busy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, goodness may hopefully they get that under control, but
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  Speaker 1: in the meantime, everybody will still be taking those names,
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  Speaker 1: phone numbers on those pieces of paper, so that we
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  Speaker 1: do have that additional measure in place to keep people safe.
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  Speaker 4: And can I just make sure that some business out
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  Speaker 4: there aren't panicking. I've said this before, we'll say it again.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of places are already doing what they need to do.
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  Speaker 4: You don't need to duplicate. So if you're in a
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  Speaker 4: F forty five, for example, you don't need to bring
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  Speaker 4: it a second layer. You're already doing what you need
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  Speaker 4: to do to keep those contact details. Most of the
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  Speaker 4: clubs out there, like Trailer Boat Club are basically doing
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  Speaker 4: what they need to do already. We don't want duplication,
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  Speaker 4: just you know, we need you have those details available
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  Speaker 4: about you know, name and number and time you checked
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  Speaker 4: in so that we can contact trace if we need to.
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  Speaker 4: Don't try and do a second layer if you don't
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  Speaker 4: have to.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Chief, let's talk about police on boarders.
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  Speaker 1: As I understand it, Even though there are obviously no
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  Speaker 1: active COVID nineteen hot spots, police are still going to
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  Speaker 1: be on the borders for the foreseeable future. The Northern
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  Speaker 1: Territory Police Association is calling for officers to be removed
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  Speaker 1: from the smaller, more remote border checkpoints to offer them
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  Speaker 1: some long overdue respite and Dan, you will leave. Is
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  Speaker 1: it something that you're considering?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: Can I say, Look, I'm very open to this and
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  Speaker 4: sympathetic to this, as is the Police Commissioner and the
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  Speaker 4: Police Minister. If you think right, it feels like you know,
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  Speaker 4: five six years ago, but if you think right back
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  Speaker 4: to middle of the year, we had flagged at one
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  Speaker 4: stage that we're going to give I think we've one
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  Speaker 4: or two replication cycles. Notice, we're going to look at
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  Speaker 4: taking the police off those border points. We're now looking
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  Speaker 4: at having the border controls in place till end of
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  Speaker 4: next year. But whether that's staffed or not something else
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  Speaker 4: that we're working through now. I think we want to
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  Speaker 4: see how the QR codes land and a few things
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  Speaker 4: like that, but we're actively looking at to what extent
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  Speaker 4: do you need some of these places staffed or not.
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  Speaker 4: Completely understand where the Police Association is coming from, and
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  Speaker 4: I just want to double down what the Police Association
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  Speaker 4: is saying. So I don't know if everyone out there
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  Speaker 4: realizes this police this year and not just police, So
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  Speaker 4: it feels a bit mean to say a teachers and
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  Speaker 4: others have done similar things. Police this year have essentially
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  Speaker 4: not taken leave that they could have taken. They've essentially
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  Speaker 4: operated at a higher level that they recognize the importance
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  Speaker 4: what's happening right now of coronavirus and that. So I
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  Speaker 4: absolutely agree that there's a number of territory public servants
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  Speaker 4: out there have police been at the forefront that are
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  Speaker 4: due some respre due to some manual leave that they've
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  Speaker 4: chosen not to take.
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  Speaker 2: Then you leave that might otherwise have taken.
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  Speaker 4: And I think they do due that chop out, But
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  Speaker 4: you want to make sure we do it in a
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  Speaker 4: controlled way.
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  Speaker 2: We see how the QR code lands.
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  Speaker 4: I've got confidence we can always stand up a border
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  Speaker 4: control very quickly if we need to.
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  Speaker 2: That's not an issue.
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  Speaker 4: It's about making sure in packing it down that were
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  Speaker 4: not sorry, that's probably quite not the wrong phrase, but
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  Speaker 4: transitioning our staffing that we have a clear plan place
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  Speaker 4: about how and when we do that. That provides territori
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  Speaker 4: ins the absolute confidence that we're not taking our eye
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  Speaker 4: off the coronavirus ball.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I spoke to the Police Association or FEAR
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  Speaker 1: this morning and we are going to speak to porn
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  Speaker 1: WEQ about nine point thirty this morning. But as I
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  Speaker 1: understand it, on some of those locations, and particularly on
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  Speaker 1: some of those quieter locations, there's four police officers on
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  Speaker 1: each of those locations, and in some cases you're only
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  Speaker 1: talking about five cars or trucks going across those borders.
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  Speaker 1: So it seems like a huge resource for fairly minimal
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  Speaker 1: sort of traffic.
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  Speaker 4: So we're adjusted a few times the interdiction points and
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  Speaker 4: we've got the automatic number plate recognition systems up at
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  Speaker 4: a few spots where there was low traffic. There are
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  Speaker 4: some now that are definitely low traffic. It's about being
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  Speaker 4: making sure that no one's snuck through a back door.
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  Speaker 4: I think people can appreciate that. But now that we've
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  Speaker 4: gone to no hotspots within the Australia, I think we
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  Speaker 4: can look at how we manage some of those things.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a question of all mate now plate recognition
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  Speaker 4: or what are the things that we're doing. So it's
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  Speaker 4: not just to go from something to nothing. You've got
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  Speaker 4: to have the alternate plans in place. The Commission's working
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  Speaker 4: around how you would handle those things, and I think
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  Speaker 4: the Police Association would agree to that. You want to
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  Speaker 4: give territorians to confidence that you're still managing coronavirus absolutely,
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  Speaker 4: So it's not about right or wrong here, it's a
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  Speaker 4: beau having a managed process about what we do in
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  Speaker 4: those control checkpoint.
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  Speaker 1: How soon could police come off some of those border
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  Speaker 1: control checkpoints.
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  Speaker 4: As soon as we essentially have confidence at the commissioner level,
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  Speaker 4: TERATI controller level, SEMPSE that we've got those alternate plans
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  Speaker 4: in place. Big one is the QR codes coming in
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  Speaker 4: and working. So if we've got good contact, additional contact
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  Speaker 4: tracing happening within the Northern Territory, all these different spots,
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  Speaker 4: that gives us greater confidence about the border. So at
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  Speaker 4: the moment, our best QR code system is the borders.
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  Speaker 4: So we've been writting that for a long time and
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  Speaker 4: we're head of pretty much every other place about how
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  Speaker 4: we run our borders. We've actually been i'd believe better
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  Speaker 4: on our borders than other places. But how we manage
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  Speaker 4: traffic in that's been our best form of contract tracing
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  Speaker 4: right now. If the QR code comes in as it
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  Speaker 4: is and settles in and it's all working, that gives
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  Speaker 4: us greater conference about how would we handle those border
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  Speaker 4: control points.
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  Speaker 3: So really by the end of the year, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well yeah, I'll be confident that we can make those
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  Speaker 4: decisions during December.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that there will be a lot of police
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  Speaker 1: officers who will be quite pleased to hear that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: and I know those families absolutely, and I know that
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  Speaker 1: they've worked so incredibly hard on those borders and it's
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  Speaker 1: been absolutely essential up and this point. But if Australia
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  Speaker 1: is opening up, then we've got to have those other
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  Speaker 1: measures in place, as you've said, the likes of the
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  Speaker 1: QR code and get our police back to the other
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  Speaker 1: very important jobs that we need them for here in
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  Speaker 1: our cities and also in our remote locations.
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  Speaker 3: And on that note, Chief, are you concerned.
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  Speaker 1: About the impact that the border control is having on
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  Speaker 1: police resourcing at the moment?
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  Speaker 2: So for me, my concern will be fatigue levels.
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  Speaker 4: So police have made decisions about how they handle their
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  Speaker 4: leave rosters to make sure that we can look after
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  Speaker 4: the coronavirus, public health response and ordinary duties. But that
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  Speaker 4: comes with a fatigue makes sense, like you're working quite
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  Speaker 4: a lot without necessarytacking your annual eving things like that.
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  Speaker 4: So for me, this has been my concern with the
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  Speaker 4: public service full stop. I just left that empty just then,
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  Speaker 4: with the Police Commissioner and the Health CEO and the
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  Speaker 4: Health minsison and the Police minister and et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: There's none of us there where.
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  Speaker 4: One of the things that we discussed going into this
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  Speaker 4: Christmas break is just general respite or where the public
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  Speaker 4: service are aut in terms of they've been going sent
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  Speaker 4: you flat strap in a public health emergency since what
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  Speaker 4: early March. So we want to make sure that we
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  Speaker 4: are managing our resources. That we've been clear this year
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  Speaker 4: that our public service can step up and respond to anything.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely they've been the best, but we can't keep asking
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  Speaker 4: always a step up. You've got to have some headroom there,
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  Speaker 4: You've got to let them have a break. So for me,
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  Speaker 4: this goes to all the public service who have police
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  Speaker 4: being a very public front of it. I think they've
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  Speaker 4: done an amazing job, but they are drough some care.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, absolutely they are.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk to you though about you know,
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  Speaker 1: about some of the areas where police are also really
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  Speaker 1: busy at the moment, and that is crime, particularly youth crime.
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  Speaker 1: I know you and I have spoken about it on
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  Speaker 1: numerous occasions in Alice Springs. We've also spoken about it
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  Speaker 1: in Karama in some of our northern suburbs. I just
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  Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to an interview that
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  Speaker 1: we had on Friday with one of our listeners.
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  Speaker 5: Amy Wee Thursday morning to find that not only had
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  Speaker 5: our cars, sheds and boats been walked through, but they'd
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  Speaker 5: also entered our house and our children's bedroom. Because it
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  Speaker 5: is such a violation and such a scary thing.
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  Speaker 1: You just don't know what they're capable of.
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  Speaker 5: We thought we were a bit secure, to be honest. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: the kids are anxious and very violated that you know
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  Speaker 5: they are in their bedroom. What else can I do
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  Speaker 5: to protect my home and my family and my children.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. So Amy obviously incredibly concerned about the
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  Speaker 1: situation that she was put in last Thursday.
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  Speaker 3: So she lives in the rural area.
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  Speaker 1: Her home was one of ten houses, sheds and cars
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  Speaker 1: broken into in her area.
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  Speaker 3: Jeef, have we got a problem.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, We've had a problem for a long time. When
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  Speaker 4: it comes to youth crime, you go back to twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 4: There's a royal commission into this. We have got some
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  Speaker 4: kids who do the wrong thing. We've got sixty thousand
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  Speaker 4: kids who do the right thing, but we absolutely have
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  Speaker 4: some kids that do the.
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  Speaker 2: Wrong thing, and some of them are very, very bold.
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  Speaker 4: I think our police do an excellent job, as do
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  Speaker 4: other people who work in the public service. But you
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  Speaker 4: never want to hear a story like this. The idea
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  Speaker 4: of someone walking into your kid's bedroom right.
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  Speaker 2: Makes just the anger that you don't like.
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  Speaker 4: That's just she said, violation that's almost a polite word
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  Speaker 4: for it.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure about this incident, whether we know those
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  Speaker 4: kids and they're already under attention or being investigated or not.
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  Speaker 4: I'm more than happy to follow that up. The Police
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  Speaker 4: Minister is probably aware. We have put more consequences in
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  Speaker 4: place so that when we catch people who are doing
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  Speaker 4: the wrong thing, they do go through what I believe
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  Speaker 4: will be a deterrent, something that breaks a cycle. But
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  Speaker 4: you don't want to be catching the because you don't
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  Speaker 4: want to be doing it in the first place. Now,
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  Speaker 4: the light at the end of the horizon here is
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  Speaker 4: we are seeing less kids go into essentially notification of
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  Speaker 4: territory families, which is unfortunately an indicator of down the
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  Speaker 4: track into the crime stats. But people are still experiencing
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  Speaker 4: crime right now. I don't want them experiencing crime. It's
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  Speaker 4: not acceptable. You've got to do the hard work, try
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  Speaker 4: and get it down. We are going into the Christmas period, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 4: the long school holiday break can be a point of
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  Speaker 4: significant tension. I met last week with all of Cabinet
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  Speaker 4: and my regional directors on this to talk specifically about
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  Speaker 4: what they were doing in every place around having plans
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  Speaker 4: for the school holiday period because we know ites it
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  Speaker 4: can get hotter, so that when people get people our
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  Speaker 4: the conference out there, we are pushing on this with
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  Speaker 4: the public Service and people who work with the public
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  Speaker 4: Service about making sure we've got plans in place to
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  Speaker 4: try and deal with kids who get bored over the Chris.
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  Speaker 3: Brow Yeah, like to me, I just don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You know where we go to from here, because you
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  Speaker 1: and I have spoken about this on so many occasions.
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  Speaker 3: You know it reached boiling point.
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  Speaker 1: I reckon about eighteen months ago where you and I
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  Speaker 1: had a bit of a blow up on air because
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  Speaker 1: it was it had reached boiling point. And I guess
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  Speaker 1: the whole community right now is just it's getting back there,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know how we stop it from getting
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  Speaker 1: back there when the police are doing such a tremendous
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  Speaker 1: job to try and stop that from happening.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I can promise you, as I do my best,
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  Speaker 4: never sugarcoat it or bullshit you like there's no silver
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  Speaker 4: fix or simple solution to this that they're Unfortunately there isn't.
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  Speaker 4: You look around the country, everyone's wrestling with crime that
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  Speaker 4: does it does blow up, and someone that can sell
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: down well I can say to you is everyone's working
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: extremely hard on this. We are trying things we haven't
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: done before, because as you know, if you keep doing
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: the same thing, you're kee getting the same results. And
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: we having the territory seeing across decades a youth crime
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: problem and it blew up into that Royal Commission. So
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: we are working hard as hard as we can. We've
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: got some new things we're going to be trialing this
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: term around ringleader legislation, so if older kids or even
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: young adults are encouraging younger kids that there's.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: A penalty for that.
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: So you know, you don't get away with it if
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: you're the one not committing the crime, but you get
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: someone else to commit the crime, we'll chase you on
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: that one as well. So we're doing other things. We've
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: got seven EMU stations now stood up. That's a cattle
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: station out near Borrahlula as a place to go like
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: a point of consequence where you can go out work
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: your butt off out there. So we are trying different things.
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: There must be a consequence, it must be a current
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: and it must break the cycle.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Do we know at the moment how many kids have
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: gone through seven EMU station or is that something I
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: need to follow up with the with the Territory Families Minister.
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: Excellent question, Kate, Kate will know the answer. On how
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: many area the shad forts out there? I think it's
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: the NEXTLLENT program.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: All right, let's move along. I want to talk to
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: you about public holidays. You declared Saturday, the twenty sixth
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: of December this year at public holiday. Under current legislation,
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: if Boxing Day falls on a Saturday, that public holiday
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: is observed on the following Monday, and there's no official
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: public holiday on that Saturday. Who did you consult with
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: before making this announcement.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: Well, I let people know rather than consulting, so we
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: gave business our heads up just prior to my announcement
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: on the friday.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: What are they happy about it?
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: I think it'd be fair to say that they understood
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: the decision. But I absolutely get that if you're a
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: business person, you've done it tough this year, you don't
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: necessarily want to be rolling out penalty rates on that Saturday,
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: on the boxing day. But I think there's also a
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: general understanding Boxing Day's Boxing days is Boxing Day, So
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: I absolutely get it. If you're a business person out there,
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: you want to be rolling out those penalty rates. But
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: I also think it's a fair recognition of the value
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: of someone's work on that.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Day, Chief Finister, Was this a situation where you were
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: trying to appease the unions?
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: No?
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: No, So this is actually I went back and checked
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: about what the precedents were. So the last time this
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: happened was under a CLP government, under a labor government,
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: both times that the public holiday was declared on the
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: Boxing Day. So this is consistent with previous decisions and
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: we're playing catch up essentially where they're only now sore
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: where every jurisdiction but Essay and Tazzy have made this
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: decision as well. So I just think it's one of
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: those ones that it makes sense to do it.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: That it is Boxing Day.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: It is a public holiday, that it is the special
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: day for many out there if they're giving up their
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: time to work on that day. For us, as an employer,
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: it's police and nurses. We can't shut the quarantine center.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: And I'm saying if you're working at the box, if
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: you're working at how it springs on Boxing Day, I
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: recognize that it's Boxing Day.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: To be honest, you don't sound overly convinced that it's
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: the best decision.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: No, I'm convinced it's the best decision.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: Apologizes if I wasn't giving enough tone then, but no,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: I genuinely recognize that for a lot of people, Boxing
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: Day can actually be more special than Christmas Day.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Not for everyone.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: Boxing Christmas Days often tension and movement and stress. Boxing
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: days the relaxing day when you have the quality time
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: with family, the couch, the cricket, you know, the leftovers.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: It is a very special day.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: I've certainly had a lot of years with Boxing days
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: be my favorite day as oposed to Christmas Day. So
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: I absolutely recognize that there are businesses out there who
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: have had a bloody tough year.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: You don't necessarily pay Palny rates on that day, but
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: I think this is a fair recognition of what workers
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: are sacrificing to do their jobs on the Saturday.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Chief Minister, just finally, the Territory Economic Reconstructions Commission report.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: When is it out?
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: So I should receive it today.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: My plan at this stage, and you know this might
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: change on receiving it, My plan at this stage is
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: to get it, take it into cabinet, tomorrow, so be
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: quick on this and then get out tomorrow and release
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: that report and initial cabinet take on it.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: So that's the plan to get it and get it out.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, so tomorrow we should know exactly what really all right, perfect,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: We'll keep a very close eye on that, Chief Minister
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Michael Gunner. Always appreciate your time. Thanks so much for
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: coming in this morning.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.