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INTERVIEW: Chuck D & Kurtis Blow Talk Hip-Hop Ethics, The Problem With Battles, Radio Armageddon + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up early in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club Morning, Everybody's dj NV just hilarious. Charlamagne
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  Speaker 1: Morning.
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  Speaker 2: Now we got the legendary Chuck Da of course from
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  Speaker 2: Public Enemy.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome brother.
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  Speaker 1: He loves good seeing y'all.
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  Speaker 3: Is this is a great surprise.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I had to roll up here with the Godfather.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. We have the god fora a.
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  Speaker 3: Curtis Blow, Welcome brother. How you feeling. I'm feeling mighty fine.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Great to see both of you, brothers.
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  Speaker 1: What does Curtis Blow mean to you? Chuck? But also
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  Speaker 1: the culture of hip hop? He's number one.
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  Speaker 4: He is the pioneer because he is the first solo
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  Speaker 4: artist to record with a major record label of rap
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  Speaker 4: music and hip hop, and at the same time was
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  Speaker 4: the first to be on a major record label. So
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  Speaker 4: he left that indelible mark nineteen seventy nine.
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  Speaker 1: And nineteen eighty just you know, and that was the jump.
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  Speaker 4: And you're talking about the city that has had a
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  Speaker 4: million MC's and rappers and DJs. That's why it's important
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  Speaker 4: to be here in power today just to say everybody
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  Speaker 4: else has been in the city that who has been
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  Speaker 4: born and they have passed on since you know, this
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  Speaker 4: is the city that made it. Just like I had
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  Speaker 4: to represent just for a quick second Nixon. That's because
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  Speaker 4: after my my man Cpter franchise over there. So but
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  Speaker 4: but basically my talk today on the radio station, I cannot,
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  Speaker 4: you know, have the brand associated with all the things
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  Speaker 4: I say. I say, the Godfather's right here, and yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I came up here to talk about you know, a
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  Speaker 4: recording that that was released on Death Jam called Radio Armageddon.
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  Speaker 1: I'm but I'm over at.
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  Speaker 4: Death Jam sort of like the Coni Air, like the
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  Speaker 4: like the Tom and the Godfather, you know, like, uh
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  Speaker 4: what Tunji ung gun is done right? And anytime they
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  Speaker 4: run into a situation, I remind uh the major labels
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  Speaker 4: and Death Jam and everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: You got to accountability of responsibility.
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  Speaker 4: And nineteen seventy nine this man recorded with Mercury Records.
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  Speaker 4: I had to been, you know, and I've benefited after
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  Speaker 4: that because I did a solo record with Mercury in
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  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety six.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Kurt, You're welcome.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 5: I just want to shout out all the legends who
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  Speaker 5: have pioneered this thing before myself.
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  Speaker 3: Name Kurt fired me Kurt, people.
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  Speaker 5: Like Pat, DJ Jones and cool herk Africa, Ban bad A,
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  Speaker 5: grand Master, Flash, Melli Mel you know DJ Hollywood, Love
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  Speaker 5: Buck Starsky Eddie Chiba, the Furious Five, the Funky Four,
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  Speaker 5: the Fantasts to Five, the Treacherous Free, the Feelest for
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  Speaker 5: so many groups. Man, I love you all, man, thank you,
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  Speaker 5: thank you, thank you for inspiring me. And we will
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  Speaker 5: move forward to the future and inspire the future generations
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  Speaker 5: to come.
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  Speaker 6: I want to ask you, mister Blow, like, what do
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  Speaker 6: you think about Ask both of y'all what do you
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  Speaker 6: think the coach had lost when hip hop went corporate?
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  Speaker 1: And what do you think it gained? You want to
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  Speaker 1: answer that, well, number one, you know the.
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  Speaker 4: It grows big on the top heavy side, but all
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  Speaker 4: the bottom in the middle started getting gutted out. Don't
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  Speaker 4: you all get a little envious when you see every
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  Speaker 4: single NBA player, well ninety percent of them. They carried
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  Speaker 4: themselves on interviews. We learned in the beginning when Curtis
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  Speaker 4: Blow did an interview, he spoke for us on TV.
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  Speaker 4: Whether it's don He's the first to get interviewed by
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  Speaker 4: Don Corneelis. He's the first to get interviewed by Dick Clark.
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  Speaker 4: So we coming from the rap circles doing our DJs
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  Speaker 4: and MC and and all that, and here's this man
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  Speaker 4: being interviewed. He's speaking for all of us. Now, he
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  Speaker 4: could go up there on some goon squad issue, right,
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  Speaker 4: but what would that do with that of elevated the
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  Speaker 4: art form into an area where we start to discussing what,
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  Speaker 4: you know, what we gain and what we lost. You know,
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  Speaker 4: every time you look at an NBA player, eighty five
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  Speaker 4: well percent of them, and NFL player or Major League
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  Speaker 4: Baseball player, even if they're doing English or Espanol, and
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  Speaker 4: a lot of it's Espanol, they sell the They have
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  Speaker 4: to sell the game. They have to sell the game
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  Speaker 4: to the fans. And the thing that we've lost, back
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  Speaker 4: to your question to God, is that it's been pissed
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  Speaker 4: poor in public relations and human resources. Every big business
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  Speaker 4: make sure that they're tied and tight with their public
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  Speaker 4: relations and their human resource department. If not, I mean
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  Speaker 4: this radio station probably does it. You know, a letter
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  Speaker 4: from an old lady probably still works in this building.
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  Speaker 1: The old white lady.
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  Speaker 6: But it's hard to have that now because it's social media,
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  Speaker 6: because you got human emotion and then the.
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  Speaker 1: Ability to be able to go directly to the consumer.
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  Speaker 4: Screen Ages have never been taught Necticutte screen ages. You
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  Speaker 4: don't have citizens today, you have nedicins. They're not citizens anymore,
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  Speaker 4: they're nedicens. There's screen ages. They're engaged by everything in
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  Speaker 4: and out of the screen. That life goes to a screen.
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  Speaker 4: But what what has taught them that, you know, how
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  Speaker 4: to engage on their devices? What has taught them how
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  Speaker 4: to engage on the gadgets? At the end of the day,
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  Speaker 4: there's only two phone companies is Android and Apple. At
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  Speaker 4: the end of the day, they're the keebler ls looking
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  Speaker 4: at everybody. It's like, yeah, you know, saying do whatever
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  Speaker 4: you want, still going to roll down our river. So
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  Speaker 4: when we start to understand, you know what's behind what
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  Speaker 4: you know, we could okay, this is the way everybody lives. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: how do we manage that same thing with life? And
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  Speaker 4: you know, Curtis Blow is instrumental with Scott Exit. He'll
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  Speaker 4: tell you you speak for himself because he taught all
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  Speaker 4: ups the first hip hop union. So the whole thing
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  Speaker 4: is all the information that we say that we have
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  Speaker 4: in these gadgets and devices.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we could get it quick and all that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we are not equipped on how to navigate
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  Speaker 4: that information.
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  Speaker 1: Oh Yo, we need a union.
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  Speaker 4: And I've heard how many people we've heard talk about
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  Speaker 4: we need a union when it's easy to go poop
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  Speaker 4: poop poop hip hop union, hip hop alliance. So we
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  Speaker 4: have these things, we really don't know how to use them.
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  Speaker 2: Why don't you think it? Why do you think it's
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  Speaker 2: so difficult? Because I think about it all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I think about the sacrifices that you brothers made in
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  Speaker 2: this music industry. Right that a lot of these younger
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  Speaker 2: generations have no ideas, but they eat awful, right, and
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  Speaker 2: they're eating a lot of gun.
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  Speaker 4: People that play ball all the time. They wear the Kicks. Also,
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  Speaker 4: they wear jerseys. They might not know what Bill Russell
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  Speaker 4: jersey is, Like, Yo, I'm wearing number six.
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  Speaker 2: But the NBA has they have a union where they
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  Speaker 2: pay back and they make sure that they're athlete.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that came from the players or you
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  Speaker 4: think that came from the administrative body that was protecting
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  Speaker 4: diminishing the.
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  Speaker 1: Players forced it? Huh? I think the players forced it no.
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  Speaker 4: In nineteen seventy nine, the NBA was almost called the
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  Speaker 4: Nigge Basketball Association. White folks were starting not to come
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  Speaker 4: in the seats. David Stern came along nineteen eighty said,
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  Speaker 4: we got to make some changes. Nineteen eighty four when
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  Speaker 4: this man made the song what's the name of that song?
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  Speaker 3: Kurtin basket ball.
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  Speaker 5: Nineteen eighty four, forty years ago last year, and we
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  Speaker 5: actually did a remix of the song or the anniversary
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  Speaker 5: and it's called Basketball two point oh.
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  Speaker 3: I remember where I'm shouting out.
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  Speaker 5: The new players today, you know, like Lebron James and
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  Speaker 5: Steph Curry and John and Jailen Brunson and Kat and
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  Speaker 5: all the whole team of today, and it's incredible.
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  Speaker 4: Nineteen eighty four, David Stern also took the jury off
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  Speaker 4: the player's net and ear rings out because he felt
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  Speaker 4: that there was an overlapping of black culture, especially Northeastern
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  Speaker 4: black culture. He didn't include the West. West wasn't at
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  Speaker 4: that point yet. I gotta take these dukeie you remember
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  Speaker 4: with ball players have Dukie gold chains, Dal Dawkins ear
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  Speaker 4: rings and all that. David Sturry says, we gotta stop
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  Speaker 4: that you're scaring the white folk. So that corporation, which
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  Speaker 4: will probably lead into being fantastic or bigger than ever,
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  Speaker 4: has managed itself. It's governed itself to you know, to
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  Speaker 4: the good and the bad and indifferent. But you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: let the Knicks win the night. You're gonna have fifteen
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  Speaker 4: thousand gooning out over there on Seventh Avenue because and
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  Speaker 4: people gonna be what twelve thirteen years old? They don't
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  Speaker 4: know nothing unless it's taught to them. So yeah, nineteen
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  Speaker 4: ninety nine Alan Houston and all that.
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean to a fourteen year old?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know what, if they really want to
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  Speaker 4: ball out or be considered knowledgeable about ball either they're
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  Speaker 4: gonna learn or they're gonna be fighting.
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  Speaker 1: That's real, you know. So so hip hop is, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, like it's got to come from a responsible administrative
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  Speaker 4: body hasn't been there. You'll name five managements in hip
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  Speaker 4: hop right now. And I didn't come here to bash
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  Speaker 4: hip hop because every generation has its has this thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 4: Even kurtse Christmas, rapper said, you know, don't you give
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  Speaker 4: me all that job about things I wrote before you?
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  Speaker 1: Things you wrote before I was alive because this ain't.
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  Speaker 3: Eighteen twenty three or even nineteen seventy.
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  Speaker 4: So every generation has its favorites and has its way.
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  Speaker 4: But if you're going to say I'm doing rap music
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  Speaker 4: and hip hop, and especially you're doing it in New York,
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  Speaker 4: and what's the thing in New York that's teaching you?
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  Speaker 1: So the union is also.
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  Speaker 4: A thing that is more than just a union because
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  Speaker 4: we're not came up with the radio Armageddon, which is
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  Speaker 4: basically like the MCDJ aspect of Public Enemy works with that,
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  Speaker 4: and it's a way of introducing people like from Daddy
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  Speaker 4: Oh to Miranda Rights. So it's a quirky project. It's
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  Speaker 4: like like the weirdness in my head. I don't make
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  Speaker 4: records of cell records. I make records that almost like
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  Speaker 4: we're not too far from MoMA, right right, It's got
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  Speaker 4: to be an art and the craft somewhere before everything.
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  Speaker 1: Look, Bob Dylan, how long has Bob Dylan been?
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  Speaker 4: And Kurt recorded with Bob Dylan, So we got to
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  Speaker 4: be no knowledgeable about this fact.
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  Speaker 1: Bob Dylan has been with Columbia Records.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sick, I'm gonna be sixty five, DoD Willing, Bob
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  Speaker 4: Dylan has been there.
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  Speaker 1: For sixty three years. Wow.
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  Speaker 4: And you know when Bob Dylan releases a record, do
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  Speaker 4: you think he's paying bills in there?
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  Speaker 1: No, he said, Oh, Bob just turning the masters. So
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  Speaker 1: we just gotta So.
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  Speaker 4: I think one of the accountabilities and responsibilities in rap
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  Speaker 4: music and hip hop on the recording end is how
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  Speaker 4: do you curate and caretake the masters of the things
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  Speaker 4: that help build it. As far as from the rap
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  Speaker 4: in there's only three majors. There's Sony there used to
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  Speaker 4: be down the street in black Rock where I signed
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  Speaker 4: to where with CBS. There's Universal right which all those
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  Speaker 4: deaf Jam and Mercury and all those masters, and there's
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  Speaker 4: what there's one of time Warner Warler brothers.
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  Speaker 1: I just say three, what can they do?
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  Speaker 4: Curate, caretake because if you don't, then what then it's
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  Speaker 4: there for the undertaker and our culture, our music, our
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  Speaker 4: people have been undertaken. So some of the things I
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  Speaker 4: address and when I do music, the ism that has
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  Speaker 4: grown larger than ever. And when everybody's a screenager's agism
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  Speaker 4: like everybody as young as they think they, I mean, yo,
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  Speaker 4: y'all not as young as you. So so the whole
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  Speaker 4: key in life is to maybe give thanks, but also
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  Speaker 4: brag about the currency of the years that you get
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  Speaker 4: in residences around the sun.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, marketing works the all the way around.
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  Speaker 4: Flip the naive kid, sell them anything because they don't
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  Speaker 4: know enough, Try to sell it to them again. That
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  Speaker 4: has diminishing returns on a society. It has a diminishing
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  Speaker 4: returns in the world because we even see it reflected
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  Speaker 4: in government.
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  Speaker 6: That's that's how you was able to get the executive
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  Speaker 6: producer of Celebrity Apprentice elected.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
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  Speaker 6: I want to say I love the song New Generation,
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  Speaker 6: and you say on that song, I've been your age,
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  Speaker 6: you haven't been mine yet. But I wonder, even though
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  Speaker 6: we've been these kids age, we didn't grow up in
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  Speaker 6: their generation, didn't have access to the.
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  Speaker 1: Things that they have now.
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  Speaker 6: So how how much can we truly relate even though
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  Speaker 6: we have been their age, just haven't been there aging
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  Speaker 6: this time frame.
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  Speaker 4: Gotta work on it. I mean, I don't know what
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  Speaker 4: it's like to pull it. You know, egg our chickens
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  Speaker 4: ass either. You know what I'm saying. I mean, to me,
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  Speaker 4: milk means go to the store and get the cut.
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  Speaker 4: And so that generation before me you know, looked at
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  Speaker 4: me like, yo, you don't know what that is. So
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  Speaker 4: we have to do out. We got to do our
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  Speaker 4: best on logic and practical sense. I mean common sens is, rationale,
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  Speaker 4: deductive reasoning and and I forgot that was one right
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  Speaker 4: now because I have.
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  Speaker 1: Age braive brain lapse.
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  Speaker 4: But we have to work on these things at all times,
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  Speaker 4: and we can't probably rely on systems and school system
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  Speaker 4: before we had an area of culture that snuck it
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  Speaker 4: in covert hip hop was it was a covert operation, remember,
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  Speaker 4: because at the time they they totally gave up on
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  Speaker 4: school systems. You know, they talk about oh men, Columbine.
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  Speaker 4: But we had a ten to fifteen year period once
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  Speaker 4: guns and drugs came in our community where high school
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  Speaker 4: shootings and major urban cities, especially the United States, they
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  Speaker 4: you know, they they became like a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: an epidemic before it became a national epidemic across the board.
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  Speaker 1: It's very easy.
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  Speaker 4: It's a whole years the culture, you know, no, but
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  Speaker 4: there's there's some lapses that you know, planted the seed.
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  Speaker 4: So anyway to bring it full circle, the hip hop
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  Speaker 4: Alliance that I'm involved with, Kurt reached out some years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you could speak for itself. He reach out.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, the Hip Hop Alliance is just that.
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  Speaker 5: The Alliance is an ororganization that is a labor force organization.
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  Speaker 5: There needs to be a system to monitor, to actually
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  Speaker 5: communicate and educate to the youth through our community, you know,
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  Speaker 5: without on a mission fighting for fear wages and fear
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  Speaker 5: royalties and strong health and retirement benefits for all of
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: our people. And you know we specialize in IPS and
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  Speaker 5: join toup port us. We are out there fighting for
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  Speaker 5: you to make sure this journey that you are on
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  Speaker 5: and your career is successful.
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  Speaker 3: I want to ask with Deaf Jim.
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  Speaker 2: Of course definitely this project is under deaf Jam. Will
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  Speaker 2: you always sign a deaf Jam or was it a resign?
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  Speaker 2: Have you been with jam that long breakdown?
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  Speaker 1: At first?
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  Speaker 4: I was the first rapper. They had a big uh,
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  Speaker 4: they didn't have a bit more, no such thing. I
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: turned Rick Rubin down for two years. Why I didn't
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  Speaker 4: want to do records, my things radio. We felt my
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  Speaker 4: guys one of the first and Kirk could tell you.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we broke so many records in Long Island
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  Speaker 4: w B A U. We did records right, We did
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  Speaker 4: hip hop right. We were scientists. We were the espn
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  Speaker 4: of hip hop and rappings. We just ain't from the city,
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  Speaker 4: so we had the outside end. We promoted gigs, concerts,
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  Speaker 4: we did it all. So we used to compensate for
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  Speaker 4: the lack of rap records by making incredible tapes and
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  Speaker 4: promo tapes. And Rick was starting def jam with you know,
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  Speaker 4: Curtis Bow's friend Russell.
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  Speaker 1: For two years.
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  Speaker 3: You know he's my friend.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Russell's my friend.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, but he started out with with Kurk matter
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  Speaker 4: of fact, more trivia. Kurt and Russell used to throw
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  Speaker 4: gigs in the seventies under and then Kurt Russell's first artists.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, we had a club and Hollis Couey. Hollis
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  Speaker 5: called the Night Fever Disco back in nineteen seventy seven
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  Speaker 5: seventy eight, and I was a DJ play every weekend.
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  Speaker 5: And I used to stay at Russell's house over in
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  Speaker 5: Hollis to Fifth Street. And when I was there, I
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  Speaker 5: met his younger brother and he used to beat him
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  Speaker 5: up all the time. I used to protect why my
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  Speaker 5: big brother used to beat me up all the time.
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  Speaker 3: So I was like, YO, leave him alone. He's a
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  Speaker 3: good kid, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I took him under my wing and made him the
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  Speaker 5: son of Curtis Blow and that was DJ Run.
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  Speaker 3: Of course.
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  Speaker 5: I told him how to DJ and he became incredible
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  Speaker 5: on the mic. He was my DJ when I released
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  Speaker 5: Christmas Rap in nineteen seventy nine.
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  Speaker 3: And Nasty Too, where we had eight.
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  Speaker 5: Minion stories about that whole situation. Run was incredible. I
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  Speaker 5: loved the family, Danny, Joey Russell, his dad rest in peace,
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  Speaker 5: his mom rest in peace and peace.
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  Speaker 3: That was people, the Nice Fever Disco.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I remember we bought Flash out to the
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  Speaker 5: Night Fever Disco, the first time Flash ever played in Queens,
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  Speaker 5: and that was incredible just to be that liaison to
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  Speaker 5: the Bronx and represent early early hip hop in Queens
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  Speaker 5: with that whole crew.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: The Hollis Crew. I loved you, guys.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you.
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: Blow was ever a time in the eighties where you
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: knew hip hop was about to explode, but you didn't
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: feel ready for what came next?
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was definitely a visionary. I hate to talk
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: and brag about that, but.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I'll do it.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: It was incredible and just the feeling. I remember Chuck
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: d saying, Uh, that whole energy.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: That spirit before records.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: Between nineteen seventy five and nineteen seventy nine was the
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: most incredible spirit. I mean it had spread throughout the
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: whole five Burroughs, from Harlem to the Bronx to Queen's
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: to Brooklyn, and it was just an energy that everyone
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: knew that this is something special, very special, and we
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: capitalize on it.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: You know, yeah, you couldn't You couldn't even describe it.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: It's hard to describe Alreadio that era before records, because
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: before that it was inconceivable to put rap on records.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: You know, it's a three hour thing and like got dancing,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: it got all. Now how you put rap on records? Yeah,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: you get on the mic, but I mean how long
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: the record got beat? Three hours?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Like, but then in seventy nine, King Tim the third
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: sugar Hill Gang, which took two records, not just people,
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: was like, oh it's a good time. No, it's two
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: records that made sugar Hill Gang love de Luxe. And
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: then yeah, Curtis blow with Christmas Wrap, which just took it,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: took it into the stratosphere and like I said, back
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: to your Nugens thing, It's like, youth is an excuse
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: that I don't let young people do because it's easy.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: You got it. You can't. I mean, I'm triple og.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: There's no way I'm going to convince a person a teenager.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: It's like that communication got to come from the next
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: step up that they want to get to. So all
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: I do is just I weigh them against themselves. Somebody think, oh,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: I'm too young for that, may be sixteen. I'm like, okay,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: well your twelve year old brother is going to actually
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: get all your props and everything that well I earned that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: You know, so everybody in their life wants to use tenure.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: You know, the drug game changed all that flipped that
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: up because they say, oh your overnight boom boom, and
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: we saw what happened to that and when that was introduced.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: A lot of things came during the era R and B.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: That's Reagan and Bush and when that. Man, we're still
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: recovering off of those that scar tissues. But hip hop
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: is a beautiful thing, man, It's got layers and layers
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: and like I said, we started from a radio environment.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've been running Rap Station for sixteen years.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: I've built two apps. One is to Bring the Noise app,
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: which is it works like TikTok thirty five and over.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Apps are difficult to make, especially when you have e commerce.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: I've only built two and I no and I'm not
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: the guy that just sits in another room. I'm kind of
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: like checking in with my developer and all. And we
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: did the rap Station app, which has twelve radio stations,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: all dedicated to things around the world of wrapp I've broken.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: We've broken at least five hundred thousand songs over sixteen years.
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: Wow, So did you did you approach radio againin like
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: a broadcaster, a profit or a rebel?
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: All three man all three all three so dipped in
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: ascid with wu tang axes in the.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Back and hammer shoes and all that. You know what
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like in my head.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I mean my first record, public Gating Me number one,
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: which is a tone which is blow your head by
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: by you know the JB's you know, very familiar breakbeat,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: but nobody could figure it out. I'm from skater culture
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: and not the skater culture today, roller skating culture, roller
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: rings dominated, so we moved to music, and we didn't
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: have to move to music. Music moved us. I mean, seriously,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: it makes you want to move. I mean Roosevelt roller Ring. Man,
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: I'm the dude that's skating backwards. I mean I did
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: the concert and Quick and Cleveland one year, just me
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: going up in the spot of roller Ring and I
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: skated backwards doing all my songs where they were skating
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: towards me. I was that little card in the wallet
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: that says bad mf one of.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Those from the hot skates, the Roosevelt Ring. What else
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: was out there back then?
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Bablon further Avalon you had in Brooklyn? You had?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I just have? That was?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: What's the one in Brooklyn? Almost Empire? Empire shot up
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: all the time, Empire.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: And any in other cities.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: I believe, and this depends on the music too, you know,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: I believe that skating rinks can be a possibility for
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: enjoyment of future music and future cardio because one thing
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: being the screen ager you said in Terry you said
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: the screen all.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Day and Terry long, and you'll trust me.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: I mean a song that on the album I wanted
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: to attack agism and the sedentary life.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And all that is.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Black don't dead because you hear the talk we take
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: for granted you from South Carolina, so you know a
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: lot of talk of you know, yeah, yeah, black don't crack. Yeah,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: but they could die, yeah, but real and and one
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: of the five things of death diabetes, cancer, hypertension, with stress,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: and stroke, you know, heart disease.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: It's like boom.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: So with all this, we do a great job on
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: the exterior covering up, but it's it's it's a grind,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: especially when you have the things out here and you've
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: got had plenty of people on these shows that that
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: you bring up here that will tell people like what's
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: out there and what to avoid and all that.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we try to make sure people know about it
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: because the worst thing that I always hear is.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: But you wish you could talk twenty four hours a day, toy.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, when DJs that come up here that I don't
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: go to the doctor or rappers, I don't go to
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the doctor, and then you see them get sick and
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: you was like, damn, that could have been prevented. So
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: we try to talk about those things about eating healthy
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: and all that things that I didn't. I mean, you
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: grew up in Queens. White Castle was two blocks away.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: That's what I hate most of the time, you know
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: what I mean. So we definitely try to preach to
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: those people.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: I'm glad you brought that record because I listened to
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: records like Black Dome Dead, and it makes me wonder
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: the making radio arm aged and feel like a spiritual
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: purge or final warning.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: No, none of that. I said that.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: For Public Enemy Record, this is taking a radio and
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: throwing it down to fly the stands and seeing it
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: still work. It's not meant for people to likemer I
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: made Public Enemy Records, man, not for nobody didn't like.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I told Rick Rouven though.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: He's the greatest per Rick Ruve is the greatest, one
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: of the greatest producers of all time. Yes, whoever told him, no, you,
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: I was wanted this certain qualities back in the day
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: that Kurt also knows too. If you didn't have a
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: voice that rocked the mic, I mean sounded good, you
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: wasn't getting the mic. I don't care how many verses
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: you got, bars you got. If you sounded like you
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: was fifteen years old, you had to take up something else.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: You had to dance, maybe DJs and stuff like that.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: You had to command the crowd, like Hollywood Curtis Blow,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: you know Starsky they command well, Melly Mel when they
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: grabbed a mic, people just sat down because I don't
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: I can't sound like that. Studios balance that stuff out
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: and this and all that. But yeah, so that that's
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: you know, and your question was again.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Off final one the people that Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: My point was, it's like I never ever ever made
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: a song since somebody else to like, that's like asking yourself,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: asking somebody else how do I look? After you went
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: you went to the mirror, brush yourself of them and
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: asking somebody else how do you look? But being screen
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: ages people listening with their eyes today a little bit
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: too much with their eyes. You could tell them they
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: might listen but didn't hear it. So there's a lot
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: of covert now happening when you could be told the truth,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: but if you don't see it, you know now. It's
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: it's the flip verse with that. It's like, believe none
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: of what you see in half of what you hear man,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: because people ain't listening, so believe at least half of
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: what you hear and dissect that. But as far as seeing,
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: especially with AI, and I've been dancing and boxing with
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: AI for like the last five years, I'm trying to
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: tell you it don't go backwards. It ain't gonna get dumber.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: And yes, there is an issue there in real life
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: and regular life and in culture and music and art
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: and all that. You're not gonna stop it. But you
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: can dance with it, and you can manipulate it, you
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: can flip it. But you better know how to dance.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: You better know what it is, because.
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: I think you can dance with it if you already
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: have some knowledge yourself, if you already have some information
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: with your own.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: All better yet, you have an understanding of things before you,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: and you have to practice. Like I said, I never
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: pulled an egg out of chicken, but at least I
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: know and I've seen it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I did it, you know what I'm saying.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: So this is something with AI technology, gadgets, computers, you know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: unfortunately that bumps up in the areas like artillery and
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: you know all kinds of doom machines and widows that
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: just think all of a sudden, you know, they got
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: the mic in the camera for me. Everybody got the
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: mic in the camera. Everybody got the mic in the
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: camera at the same damn time. So triple OG's and
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: OG sometimes with some wisdom, sometimes choose to be silent
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: because everybody on the mic. Sit my eyes down and listen,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: because the key is listening if you're going to even
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: be able to protect your surroundings. So it's not something
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: where you know, we were innately born with these qualities
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: to be leaders and wise people. This came from the
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: shoulders of giants. We stood on this man made a
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: sacrifice that I had to take advantage of. But then
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: it's all about, Okay, you got to break it back.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: And when you break it back, then that makes that
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: side stronger and you and the isms. The agism that's
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: taking place was intentionally poured over.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Black life.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: In the modern world, and I think a lot of
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: it started during you know, like I said, R and
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: B regging in Bush because I am a product of
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: the sixties and the seventies and in the seventies with
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: all the bs that was going on in the United
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: States at that time. Look, in nineteen seventy four, you
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: had an impeach president. This country was rocky as hell.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: Black folks was figuring it out. We knew like, Okay,
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: this is.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: What we have. We're gonna make this work.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: We might have not been you know, we might have
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: been broke, but we wasn't broken.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: That was the key.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Black folks, right, Black folks were together. No matter what
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: they threw at us. The only thing they could throw
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: at us in the eighties was a plethora of guns,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: drugs and then also a lot of things they poured
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: in there to cause division between the young and old.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: You go to other societies and that even that start
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: the crack down because you go to the Amazon and
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: they screen ages too, and the Amazon so but elders
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: are revered and it also elders or they don't get
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: that that term of all, yo, they just bid it
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: because they ain't getting it. Number one, the old school. Listen,
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: they didn't measure themselves with money. That's where the term
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: came from. It's like, I don't want your money, you
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I mean, I'm saying that the
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: best New York for Nacola when you go, yo, man,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: I want your money. Because their levels, their statuses was different.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Their statuses was like here, it was like deep within
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: this is the core that no matter what machinery they
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: came up with, they couldn't penetrate the core here. You know,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: you go to places like Philly, it's like, damn man,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: wonder when they're gonna get some urban renewal.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: But Philly was called the city of brotherly Love.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: So within all the drama, people like yo, we like
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: here the Bronx, Bronx was left, the ashes left, the
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: left for dead.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: What comes up out of that?
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Yip? Yeah, the Bronx is burning.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: So I mean the eighties came with a whole bunch
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: of you know. So now it's about like what is
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: hip hop got in this toolbox? How many tools can
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: you put in the hip hop toolbox to be able
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: to to wedge out some future path? And you know
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: it ain't about going back, Yeah, it's it's all about
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: going forward.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Whoever want to go back? Is hip hop still the
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: best weapon for revolution? No?
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: M everybody got a gadget M from your grandmother to
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: the child being born, something better come through that. We
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: don't know what that is. Remember I said hip hop
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: was covert? Was that that that?
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: That was done before fight the power brow became listen,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: fight the power became what it was because the Spike Okay,
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: so I mean who does that plays you know, plays
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: a song in a movie five hundred times and nobody
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: did that.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Spike made that record happen.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Now it was your relationship with Spike for him to
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: do that, or he just wanted to be.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Felt at that time in the eighties man, And like
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: I said, this comes from the sea, the curtains blow.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: It was a renaissance period of filmmakers, artists, you know,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: hip hop that were all being independently creative and using
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: those tools out of the ashes that that you know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: was bestowed upon us.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Look at the kid.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: People talk about fight the Power like because it's because
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: it's the headline buzzword, you know, you know decades like
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, yeah, cool, cool. You know, we buy that.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: They failed to realize or they wasn't taught. I had
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: to always tell people there was a first Fight the
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Power by the Isisley Brothers in nineteen seventy five that
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: me and Kirk was influenced by.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: That. Yeah, Fight the Power nineteen seventy five.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: And remember I told you that the country is rocky,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: you know, and Iley came up with tied to all
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: that BS going down. First record I ever heard on
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: pop radio with a black radio with a curse word
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: in it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Really yeah, I said, whoa be on w w WRL
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: Super sixteen. And then I'm going to play some fight
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: up ower people like in the hotel Gary Bird.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: This city right here. It's another thing about old gs,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: this city right here.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: When you have a when you have like a tenured
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: lens of any place you go to, whether it's where
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: you're from or whatever, queens, you still see the old
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: buildings that was there. I still see the old buildings
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: although they've been replaced by new buildings. That's third our vision.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: You're able to see the past, present, and the future
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: that they're building. New heads come along in their generation
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: probably only can see what they see. That's why it's
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: you know, deeper than your ear can hear, all your
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: eye can see. I go around, walk down this street,
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, oh that the place used to be there.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: Boom boom boom. The whole key is that is this
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Keep your your your recognition or what they call you
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: your cognitive.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Uh cognitive distance. Right, Thank you sir, Keep that because
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: that will help you.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Kirk Kurt says, you know, like you know, like I said,
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: I'm not in the business of wellness. You have people
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: like you know, Gridful taught wellness for years. You know,
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: look at Flavor Flavors going through his ninth life.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Like I went down to the Penn station the other
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: day and ran into the what's the the canes? I
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: didn't even know what the canes chicken was. Got say,
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: he's all over the place. But it's so the whole
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: key is about getting to the one hundred yard line,
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: not dying at the fifty yard line in football, you
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, getting to the other side of
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: the scrimmage. And that's what Kurt was talking about. And
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: so hip hop could be useful and beneficial in adding
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: some of these things. It's not going to be a
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: total revolution running through it, because it's it's been ran through.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Anytime they mentioned hip hop, it's always from the catastrophic
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: end to make its news. Today they called what do
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: you call it? Brown? They called him a rapper, you know,
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: because he got in trouble in the UK. Rapper and
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: it used to call Bobby Brown a rapperup it's very
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: easy to but okay, if you. If you know what
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: it is, then try to figure out how you could
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: run your play.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I'm a sports head, so my thing is like this.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: Like even like if we roll out as a group,
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: I said, well, this is the starting lineup.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: The rest of the crew gotta figure other things out
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: to do. That's how the sports were up next man up,
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: boom boom boom. It's hard sometime with people in the
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: music business because that sports thing will teach your ass.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, oh yeah, by the way, you're not gonna
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: make this team you cut when you're gonna come back
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: and shoot the coaches don't work on your thing, man,
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: or someone won't come back hip hop work on your thing.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: And then I look at here's another thing. It's not
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: talking about anybody, but the rap battles and beefs. It's like,
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: you don't want to get into an area where you
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: you rhyming in circles, man, Rhyming in circles means like
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: the dog chasing his tail.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: It is rhymes that go nowhere.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: You know, it's cool, it's cool to get into like
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: lyrical acrobatics and all that, but at the end, you
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: got to process something or something and if the best
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: processes is somebody just like seriously disrespecting you. How does
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: that not leave a staying over decades when the last
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: time you say, I came from a hip hop song
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: and this joint was refreshing.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, P Rock cyl Smooth.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: You thowt P Rock cyl Smooth record on, They're like, yo, man,
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: this is like nutrition. Troy Rokim has never done a
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: failing song ever. I've never heard rock Kim do a
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: song and say but with the support in it, Harris
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: one is never ever, ever, ever ever lost. But you know,
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: it's very easy to excuse it because this is what's
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: happening now and all that cool.
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: But I feel like that with a lot of people, though.
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: I feel like that with Kendrick, I feel like that
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: with like Rhapsody like this. This week, I was watching
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: Joey Badass and as Soul and Big Sean do a
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: cipher and I thought that was I got to you
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: use the right word.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I was like, that was refreshing.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: Like l Russell, promoters look back in the day, and
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Curtis tell you, promoters will.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Tell you exactly how it rolls.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: They'll give you your top Let's say you got six
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: rappers six groups. One of the promoters say, Kurt, the
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: one that's closing out is the one, the one that
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: closes out the building, not just because people came to
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: see because look, there's a difference between spectacle and spectacular.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: I tell people this all the time. His big difference,
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: you know, and the rock guys and them. I was
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: in ROCKU four years. There's a night and day between
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: this rap. I don't care how much money of rapper make.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: It ain't about the money. It's about how much you
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: can really put an impact on that building and then
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: on a fan's head.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: That's why I like seeing Kendrick the other night at Medlife,
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: Like literally I'm sitting there watching like yo, because he's
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: just an MC.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: You gottah, you gotta smash a crowd.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: You gotta smash a crowd if you can be an MC.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: And at the end of the day.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Fall the slang that called you know, all the all
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: the of the goon rhythm. You're like this Bravo like
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: like Pavarotti, Yo, man, And that's what the rock that's
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: what the rock boys strive. For me, I'm rapping music
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: and hip hop. I learned from this man. I'm trying
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: to beat the ass. The stage is the places where
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: you really, you know, you gotta you know, take somebody's
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: crowd and stuff like the battles on wax and all
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: that stuff.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: It's cutember.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: You can go in the studio, you can record and
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: think it in front of a person, a human being.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Man on MINEO, let's go, and it could be like
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: you could be doing the ugliest shit over there, excuse
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: my language, or somebody else doing something totally different. How
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: are you gonna win that human being? And that's what
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: our genre started out as. It didn't start out with
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: a lot of things in the toolbox, but that at
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: the same time, they had to what leave the audience
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: in AWE? That's how you spell audience AWE DNS and
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: somehow that was also lost because what's the proven ground
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: and boxing? The proven ground was what person in the ring?
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Person in the ring right excuses out the door. Hip
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: hop's a little different. Promoter's gonna say the one that's
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: gonna close off the building, the one is the one.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: The one that's gonna open up is gonna you know,
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: hopefully you could get people coming through there and stay
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: in the seat level. Yeah, you got somebody in the
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: middle that can't hold it. They off the tour out
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: of there. Forget how many forget how many records they sold.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: If they can't be better than they record out of there,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: but audiences and there. It's changed over the years because
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: they they they're happy. I mean I used to take
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: my oldest kids to to like Colon see them in
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: places like that, and they had eight X on the bill,
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: and I asked, when they all come back in the car,
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: I ain't going in there with them, and like, if
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: you like it, you're saying I could, but you know,
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: like we're not mixing like that.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: There's another thing he would like a Kendrick show.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: I've been.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: To see him perform in front of in that arena,
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: in that football stadium, just rapping, no gimmicks, no nothing.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: This is the.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: First man that came out as one man, and I
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: thought being one man could never beat a group.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: And he came out as one man because back.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: In the day it was like what cruise cruise And
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: then this man begot the next solo MC who was
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: a superstar as ll COOJP, first.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Superstar rap, first supertar. Absolutely you make make Prince and
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson turn their head.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Curtis made all the funk bands and all people recognize that. Yo,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: this thing is real. I mean, look, why am I
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: talking for the man? He played with Bob Marley, he
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: played with the.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Class and all that.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: He ducked tomatos from rock groups.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: I wanted to ask mister Blow because you know, you
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: spoke about the Ronald Osley fight the power and my
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: daddy used to always tell me James Brown was the
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: first rapper, right, So I think about a song like
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: say loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: That was revolutionary for his time. Stuff like that.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Influenced nineteen sixty eight.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: Oh yes, yes, yes, and that's straight out of the
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: civil rights movement. You know, that inspired all of us
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: in many ways, multiple number of ways. Not only the lyrics, right,
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: but the beat. That beat was what we call boom
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: back today. So it changed the whole sound. It was
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: a revolution to the motown sound. But to snare every one, two,
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: three and four, right, but now we have that boom
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: back boom spapped bat and when James Brown did it,
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: we lost our minds. Everybody started breakdancing, trying to be
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: James Brown on the dance floor. With the splits and
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: the twist and the turns and the flips and everything.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: And that's where breakdancing got inspired. But the whole thing
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: was it was the civil rights movement. So after nineteen
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: sixty eight into the seventies, we have the flower Childs
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: and the peace and Love movement, and they get about
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: your troubles, they get about your cares. We're gonna dance
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: the night away. And dancing became a nationalal craze.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: So then here comes a DJ Curtis blow. All right,
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: I'm hearing all this stuff. And so I got an
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: opportunity to make a couple of records Christmas Wrap in
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: nineteen seventy nine.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Right. So when I did that song, I was signed
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: to a major.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: Label over in Chicago. So I went to Chicago, Chicago.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: The first flight out of Harlem. I went to Chicago,
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: and I was there. I was hanging out with the
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: record company and I did a show, a couple of shows,
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: and Jesse Jackson came to one of my shows and
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: he sat me down backstage. She said, Man, I want
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: to talk to you. I want you to well, I'm
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: going to say to you. I want you to go
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: back and tell the rest of your whole crew and everybody.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: Now this thing called rap. You guys are the new
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: icons of our people, the new heroes of the civil
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: rights movement.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Wow, and you need to keep.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: It clean if you ever want to see it be
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: successful on the pop market and be accepted by everyone.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: So I was like, oh, wow, Okay, I hear you.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I hear you. And it was Jesse Jackson. So I'm like, whoa, whoa.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: I went back to the sugar Hill Gang grad Master
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: Flash Interfurious five. On our first interview, we did national
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: interview on Radio Scope, and before the interview, I said, man,
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: I just talk to Jesse Jackson and he told me, man,
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: we are the new heroes of the black community and
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: we need to keep it clean if we want to
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: ever want to see it go far and be successful.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: So right then, we had the code of ethics that
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: we established, like we would not curse, we would not
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: diss each other, and we would keep it clean.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: And that was my sacrifice. That was a sacrifice I made.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: I made two hundred and forty rap song and never
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: used profanity, And that was my sacrifice to open the
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: door so everyone else could come in and do what
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: they're doing AKA Public because of that conversation with j Jackson.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: You got to take the mentorship humbly too. Because I'm
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: here doing the concert. I'm holding the mic. Kurt says,
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: you hold the mic so you got it right, right,
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: So you got it like when when like when the
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: master teacher teacher. You're always a student and the teachers
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: always learning. So I you know, And I told Kurt,
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: I said, you know, one time I was behind ice
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: Cube leaving and ice Cube backed up in the knee
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: and my mic chiped my too, So that's why I
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: hold it like that.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: And Kurt's that I'll give you a pass. I want
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: to ask about real quick to what he said.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: What I'm talking about the rap battles and how that
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: made hip hop, how it was right you talk about
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: We could talk about Koumo D and l Loud.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: We can go further back.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Because they dealt with vocabulary of vernacular.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: What do you think about the rap battles of today
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: and how it affects hip hop, like the Kendrick and
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Drake and like those big battles that we've seen.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Is it helpful, is it worse? Does it hurt?
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Does it help the topics ain't vast. My thing is like,
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: if you want to get at somebody, vasterr topics and
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: also vast your vocabulary. But then again, I'm from New
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: York and somebody like a lot of times like for example,
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: I didn't battle. I was a battle person, but because
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: I had a voice. So what somebody got to use
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: like three verses for all I gotta do is say
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: four sentences. They want to hear me, so I didn't
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: have to. Like it's more like like in Shock and Basketball,
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: I ain't got it shit shoot a three, you know,
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: so I got to do the dunk you. But that's
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: rap talk, you know what I'm saying. I just think
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: that Kendrick was very vasto. But you got But look,
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: you got guys out there like that got twenty albums
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: that under the radar that should never be under the radar,
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: especially from New York like sky Zoo Scott Zoo got
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: twenty seven albums.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Actually my cousin, that's his cousin. Oh really wow. But
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: see there you go.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: It's like, okay, so he's out of the he's out
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: out of the discussion because he doesn't have a rep.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Bring them the radio stations and stuff like.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: That before a long time ago.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like you got twenty seven albums though, So can
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: he actually hang with the person that's the anointed one?
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Probably?
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, come on, man, we talked about the city
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: had The city's had a million rappers MC's since nineteen
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: seventy four.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Right, you look, every time.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: You're on the radio, I bet you there's a seventy
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: year old dude out there like people in fifty five
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: years old, like that kid's garbage.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: And then you know, and then probably I mean, I
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: mean people.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Moms got verses, now they got bars, as they say,
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: So it's a beautiful art for me, will and listen.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: It's not to itself.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: It's a culmination of all the arts because it started
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: from records. So whether it's rock, it's soul, R and B,
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: not the reagae and bush one you know reggae, but
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: it started from records. So that's where that mixology comes in.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: That's why I try to, you know, do a radio
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: arm again. You can't listen to that thing for like
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: ten seconds in a row and think you got a
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: steady thing happen or not. It's meant to be fragmented
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: and fragmented brain. It's a fun piece of art for me,
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: and I will continue to make more radio arm again
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: and like records as not a solo it's not a
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: solo album. It's a solo project. But once again, when
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: you put it out there in the world, you got
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: to put Chuck Y's name on it to make it
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: do whatever or stream of get eyeballs.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I don't care nothing about that. You know what I'm saying.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: In case of emergency, you know tunes, he says, Chuck,
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: you know break glass. You know what I'm saying, because,
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: like I said, the comparison is other art forms.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Bob Dylan, Bob Dylan don't really you know what I mean.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: Whether you show up to Bob Dylan's thing or Bias music,
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: it don't matter.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Bob Dylan is Bob Dylan.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: And the day that Bob Dylan transitions on, it's gonna
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: stop the world.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: For two days.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: In music and culture, we could do the same in
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: hip hopper revenue. Look look look at you guys. How
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: long you guys been doing radio sixteen I've.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Been doing I've been doing twenty seven years. But we've
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: be doing breaks club alos fifte years.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Yea, I've been doing it twenty seven years.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: Something like that is revered. Where's it revered other than
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: the occupation? Where's it embedded into the foundation of New
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: York radio? Sixth Avenue right there? If you might have
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: not known the name, but we do. They named it,
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: you know, sixth Avenue, that part over close to here.
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: Cousin Bruce Lee Way, did you know that?
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Right right right?
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Cousin Bruceley.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: Bruce Morrow is one of the legends in New York Radio,
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: got so many records played in this city, Black, white,
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: and diff whatever you know on WABC seventy seven radio
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: on AM down in New York, and then went the
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: WCBS super legends that are revered in the Northeast forever.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: You guys are the same. So the whole thing is.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: And also I don't get into the flower talk. I mean,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: you could plant flowers and have plastic flowers.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: It's like what it is is certain reverence for necessary
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: foundations that move our craft forward.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: These are the things we need. Administrators, managements.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: You could build a lamb, You could build a Lamborghini
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: or have one, right, what good is a Lamborghini on
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: a mud road or a swamp. People are building great
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: vehicles in the culture and rap music and hip hop,
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: the roads are swamp. What Curt has done with Hip
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: Hop Alliance, we could have some solid ground. Okay, you're
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: an artist. You don't get a lot of fanfare whatever
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: you've done five or ten albums. You should be part
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: of a union. A union comes up, and the thing
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: about the union, it's not like the thing like we
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: just started a union. No, it's actually tied in legitimately
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: to systems that work in the screen. Actors build in Hollywood.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: You don't ever hear a person from Hollywood talking about
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it ain't no union. No, they films people.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: They might be a bit part, they don't. They don't
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: play around. They don't play around in Hollywood. That's the
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: thing that got me also too before I actually have
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: Kurt explain Hip Hop Alliance because I know where running
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: out of time.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: And in Hollywood you hear about a lot of things,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: how rap rules the world and all that.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: However, when somebody goes to another area they might wild
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: out and rap.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: They're not wilding out in the other areas. The film.
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, be on the set six o'clock in the morning,
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: ain't on the set. Get them out of the head.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because people in the white ice is colder. They
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: don't act up in front of the white people.
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: M hm.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: But I'm saying in all other realms they treat it
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: seriously if it's white or not. I mean is there's
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: there's organizations out there that are black. You know, they
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: don't play that. You know what I'm saying. But you know, Okay,
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: I won't be part of that. But people say I
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: want to be in the movies and all that. I
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: want to be in this thing over here. I want
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: to be in the NBA and all that. You could
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: be the best player. But if you're you ain't right
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: in the NBA. You ain't even making league. Yeah, go overseas,
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: go to China, and that ain't gonna be easier in
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: a minute either. So I think in every area, it's
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: not about you. It's what you can continue to have
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: the road underneath you. Solid they'll tell him about the
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: sag after and how.
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: It's before we do that, mindell, because you said something
• 52:33
  Speaker 6: a little while ago to that that I can't not
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: let this something.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of things, but.
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: You said, you said Jesse Jackson told you and that
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: you and you know the other brothers and sisters and hip.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Hop were the next lead other South Carolina.
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: Yes, that's right, Greenville the new leaders, right, you took
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: that responsibility series. Yes, well, Malcolm X said, no community
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: has athletes and celebrities as leaders except for black people,
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: and he don't.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: He didn't like, I want to I really want to
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: know what both of y'all think about that.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Actually, who want to shout out his family?
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Right now?
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: His birthday is coming up on May years No, no,
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: nonetetehe nineteenth.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Right, he's going to be one hundred years old. Everyone.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: So we had the minister's birthday on May eleventh, so
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: that's how close their birthdays.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: I got a shout out to Iliana, Ilia and and
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: Italia the family. They're doing a big function coming up
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: on the eighteenth and nineteenth up in Harlem where he
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: was killed at the Audubond and they're doing a big
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: function over there celebrating his past and his history and legacy.
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: But yeah, what did you think when he said, Because,
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: like I said, Malcolm said, no community has athletes and
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: celebrities as leaders.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: He didn't like that.
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: But Jesse was telling y'all, no, y'all are the new leaders.
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: And you took that responsibility serious.
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: Well, this was a whole thing about the civil rights
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: movement from Martin Luther King and to mister Russell, and uh,
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: John Lewis right, not John Russell.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: You made the King Holiday song four two.
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: Right, right right, And so you know that whole mindset
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: was to reach out to the youth. And it's like
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: we are fishers of men. This is what Martin Luther
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: King told and John Russell, I mean John Lewis told
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: Jesse and he extended that whole mindset of let me
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: reach out to the youth and tell them, you guys
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: are the new civil rights movement. And this is where
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: hip hop came from. And this is our power, this
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: is our legacy, this is our beginning, the truth of
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: the beginning. It is an extension of the civil rights movement.
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: So you know, I love Malcolm. Actually I grew up
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: right next door in Harlem two sixty Convent Avenue, the
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: building with ten floors. I lived on the ninth floor.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: And when I was like fourteen fifteen, guess who moves
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: right next door? A Talia Shabbazz Wow, And I had
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: a big crush on her. She was beautiful, incredible. I
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: used to see her walking down the hill, you know,
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: Amsterdam and then Convent. We lived on common with a
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: little hill, so I used to see her walking down
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: the block with her bags and everything, and I used
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: to run and go get the bags and carry in
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: for her. Or i'd see her come to the building,
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: I'll open the door, press for the elevator and ride up.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Still, your wife's sitting right there, my brother.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: A million times.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: It's royalty, right, yeah it is.
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: It was incredible.
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: So I mean, you know, that whole mindset of just
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: being an activist, being the voice of the people comes
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: from the Civil rights movement, comes from Malcolm X, comes
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: from Martin Luther King and Jesse Jackson.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: When you have knowledgeable people, you know, you always could
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: agree to disagree. You don't have to get in, you know,
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: like you don't have to have the goon moment. You
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: gotta look at it, Charlamagne like a toolbox. You know,
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: if Malcolm's a flathead, then then you know doctor Kings
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: of Phillips head. What I'm saying, both of them are
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: screwdrivers that opened up the close the situation and tightened it.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: So the toolbox is what you want to have. Back
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: in the day before before reads. Being well read is
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: meaning that, okay, you ain't gonna read everything, but one thing,
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: you just start to learn how to read people. You
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: be able to get stories that had the head face
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: to face and you do your reading. But then again,
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: you know, knowledge is power, but it ain't because if
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: you can't use it and you can't share it. And
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: that great that great song that the group Third World
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: did that Heavy D covered now that we fell love but.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: We talk lover, But what are you gonna do it?
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: So so so back in the day, you know words
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: Smith's people always you always had like the hip cats,
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: whether they talked in rhymes, whether it was just cool.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: I mean back on Roosevelt Long Island, man, Homer, doctor Ja.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: I grew up down the street from Eddie and Charlie
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: Murphy Man. I mean, we just have a whole different
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: thing in the seventies. But you had guys, it's serious,
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: big fro ride a stingray backwards right with a record
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: player in their arm, with a rake in their hair.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: And they you couldn't buy them. You couldn't.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: It wasn't about you couldn't buy their money. They were
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: just cool and they were stuck in their thing, get
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: their brew, get their weed. That they that's all they did.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: But everybody gravitated to because what they did, they they
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: reigned with knowledge, wisdom, and understand it.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Even in the eighties when.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: The five percenters had had more muscle, their whole striving
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: was to be civilized, even with all the drama that
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: was bestowed upon them. That's why I don't also make
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: a mockery of prisons, because that's the beginning of the
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: mass pushing in of prisons. So don't I don't look
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: at crime or or the created criminal as a thing
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: to take lightly. People served real, real time for offenses
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: that were like, oh, man manipulated their way. Then you
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: also got people that's gonna do the dirty, because they
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: do the dirty. But everybody just wasn't. They wasn't dirty,
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: criminal minded like that, but they were forced in their
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: situation to be criminal minded.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Whatever it was. I'm not making excuses for it.
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: I just never went that way because it wasn't something
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: to glamorify, knowing to see that it came from. So
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: when somebody said gangster, I'm like, they play gangsters. The
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: real gangster is a government. Yeah, really really and governments plural.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: That's why I'm the first probably get to the album
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: it said the government's responsible plural, not singular.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Every single one of it.
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, look right now that the games that they're
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: playing and where people's heads and minds at court cases
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: or you know, maybe somebody goes around. It's I won't
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: even even get into the beginning of it because it'd
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: be sound bites for years.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: But y'all know what's out there. You know what you see.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: And once again when I say difference between spectacle and spectacular,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: you know what spectacle gets you in the building, spectacularly
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: keeps you coming back for more.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: That's real.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: So I probably give me like anytime that me and
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: flav would say, we could play anywhere in the world.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: We could be out on tour six months, We could
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: play stadiums and arenas. But then again, what kind of
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: life is that we you know, we we sexagenarians.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: The whole key is being where you gotta be and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: then do doing that when you want to do, not
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: that you have to go around and do that. So
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: this year we're playing and opening with guns n' Roses.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: But I ain't gonna do that for like three months.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it up till my birthday, break my
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: ass back home.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Man like people like, oh, man, you gonna build two
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Man like, oh, you're coming out this way nine coming out.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: Well, you know, I do agree that, you know, hip
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: hop artists, you definitely are the are the are the leaders,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: especially then, and I started paying attention to Minister fare
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: Come because you because my dad would always try to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: get me to watch Minister Pira cons.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: You know, you're sit in front of the team, but
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: you're not really paying attention.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: When I heard you say on bringing noise Frara cons
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: and profit and I think you ought to listen to them.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: Oh or don't believe the hype, you know, But that
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: was my job at that particular time to say in
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: the midst of R and B were telling you that
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: was a rain and terror the twelve years, that was
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: a dozen years, and not to say that. I mean
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: we had the nineteen ninety six Communications Act where it
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: consolidated and got rid of all the black radio stations.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: So that meant that you could not as a company
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: or music and records could not individually or regionally negotiate
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: with a region to get your music across. Single handedly
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: wiped out radio stations, and it wiped out black independent
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: record companies. You had the right kind of got go
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: down in the swamp level the under under the radar
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: to be able to get organic growth and music. And
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: if that's the only thing that's actually getting around, of course,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: you know, and this is what I mean about the
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: positive negative thing plus minus. Let's say, right basketball talk,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: to go up a hill man takes what energy Inurtia?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: You gotta break gravity. That's what making a pos That's
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: what Kendrim Lamar like, Okay, I'm gonna try to least
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: go here, I know, I gotta you know, go up
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: here in a certain way. But yeah, to get to
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: that mountaintop you gotta break a lot of gravity. But
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: also to come down easy, you can just free fall.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: And that's what I thought. That's a lot of times
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, you taking the you taking the free
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: fall away. I mean, anybody could come up with that
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: tactic the rhyme about that and to get that ooh.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: And then it depends on how mature your audience is.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: If you got a whole bunch of eighteen year olds,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: they're gonna look at it differently. A whole bunch of
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: thirty six year olds. Seriously. I always used to take
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: a group of young kids. I said, next time, man,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: tell me the amount of time your parents smile. And
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: that shows you how they ain't playing as many games
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: as you playing. You know what I'm saying. Just count
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: their smiles and the older they rank up less and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: less of Like we have music and culture, man, keep it.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: You know the music and culture man used to keep
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: you smiling just being a fan. And I think that
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: could come in. It's like and years ago I got
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: into you know, into it with Hot ninety seven, not
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: into it because people don't want to get into it.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: With me because I left it alone.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: But go to you know, do a concert and got
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: the guys say, yeah, these are the ends to actually
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: start the revolution. And I'm like, all right, half this
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: place full of white people over here where they play football,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: and they hearing the.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: N word right, And not to say that we didn't
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: use it.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: It's just like y, let's what they used to call
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: pool room language on the streets on the corners.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: But now corporate America's gonna use it and not be
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: accountable for what happens afterwards.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: So I had to be able to say, yo, man,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: y'all a radio station. Man, y'all, y'all need to be
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: more accountable in this city with MC's. The million MC's
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: wouldn't condone that, especially coming out of a white company.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: So they introduced y'all like that, Yo man. I let
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: them know.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: That's sure enough, but you know what they're checking it. Well,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: we're gonna get any feedback from many kids. Kids ain't
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: gonna get no feedback. You gotta come in there, said President. Oh,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: we just won't play your records no more.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: So you have to say you have to be able
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: to say your Harry Bellefonte told me, he said, Chuck
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: Paul Roverson told me this. He said, every generation has
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: to find for itself. But you can go in there
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: borrow and also lend. And when you lend, man, don't
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: try to be hanging with them like you part of
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: them that you can see you coming a mile away.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: And last lastly on that it's like the thing that
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: cracked me up. For all the stuff that's going on.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: You got people in their forties and fifties right that
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: don't think that they old, I said, no matter how
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: young you look or whatever.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Man, it's like somebody's.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: Eighteen twenty twenty one, you hanging with them. They could
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: see you, they see the age coming at you, so
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: they you know, I've been your age.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: You ain't up in mind.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: You can always say that's your currency. That's your currency
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: is the years that you're able to get and be
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: lucky at that. And the trouble in fact is that
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: before used to say, oh yeah, old dude, you got
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: less years ahead than you got behind you. That's true,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: that's that's mathematics. But I don't want to see that
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: happen with you at forty one and thirty nine and
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: thirty two and you got all these ailments going on.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: It's like that's just something that we all have to
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: look at for this following generation.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: So I really commend you all for being able to
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: who to issue out like some governance in that, you know,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: because I mean, you don't have to do it. But
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, everybody turns around said,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: damn I could have Damn I could have did that.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: We all do that, and trust me, we are the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: old guys that they trying to push out. Okay, oh yeah,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: they don't. You know, some people have reference for it.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: Some people are like, oh my god, they've been around
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 6: too long.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: But you know what, you know what alleviates that find
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: out their names. Let everybody know their personal names to
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: leave a horse.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Hitting your bit.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, listen, man, listen.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you this.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: Whenever I say something right, whenever I say something, Chuck
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: D's name is signed with it. Like there's a whole
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: bunch of Boss and Celtics fans but hurt because I
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: told her it was calm and they think I'm talking
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: about Jason Tatum's injury and I was like, no, I
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: was talking about their style of play, coward ball, shooting trays.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: But they have a oh that's that's some sucker move, Chuck,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: they say on X or Twitter or whatever the hell,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: like they blame me. I said, listen, I own what
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: I say. I meant when I said, but one thing,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: you know that up there Chuck D or might be
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: an avatar there. I signed everything I say. Everybody that
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: does everything in this business and not sign their name
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: next to their word.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: That's back in the day, Kurry said, listen.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: Number one thing, whether it was somebody on some goonish
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: or somebody just on straight straight up. They say, your
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: word gotta be your bond. That's a New York thing.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: That's a New York thing. I don't know if it's
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: an Albany thing. I don't know if it's an eerie thing.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, New York, which is the
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: coolest place you know? Five percent back you say, yo, Mecca,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: New York. All I said, sitting in the universe and
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: all that. Okay, But if it is, then okay, what's
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: the accountability factor that it's gotta role like kings and queens, word.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: Is born and your bond is life and you shall
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: die before your words shall feel.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: I heard that before.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the alliance in the that's what you're talking about,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 6: the hip hop alliance is well.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 5: First, let me shout out k R rest One, who
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: is our chairman. Chair on the road for seven months, y'all.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: They out in Europe and and and I've just seen
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: him body somebody in Europe too. I guess the sound
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: man was messing with the sound. Oh yeah, Chris turned
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: off the music and did like a seven minute freestyle
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: just going at him.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Destroyed. It was the crowd was going crazy, but that
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: was nothing. There's nothing like him.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: Christen Man, I've been watching this dude man forty years. Man,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: he's the only dude I've ever seen. Only MC, you know,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: and also my my, my buddy buddy brother brother is
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: d really kind of like opened the door to the
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: scientific execution of a nakulain the vocabulary. Chris Kris one
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: man the only dude I've ever seen that will walk
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: in the room and Chack is a molecular composition of
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: the room of MC's.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Because he'll go in the room for no matter what
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: age is, say yo, who are MC in here?
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: And everybody's like, nah, y'all just work for you. I
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: used to do it, but you know, straight up and down.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: He'll go in the room and like, who's an MC
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: in here? And cats will be like, yo, that's the
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: thing that he do. You know me, I'm a songwriter
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: and I'm I'm a historian.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: I'm a voice person.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: I like to consider myself an administrator, a builder, a creator,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: and somebody who could bring the ball up and then
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: divvy out the rock.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: That's what I like to do.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: And and so we also, you know, I know my lane,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: I know my roles and my role when Kurt asked
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: me to be one of those those people in the
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: Hip Hop Alliance. Yeah, being a magnet. If people are
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: gonna ask me, I'm gonna talk about what I'm doing,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: But can I actually put a little bit in there?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: You know, back in the day the coolie how they say,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: could you know, put a little bit in and for
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: the for the for the ones that ain't here, right,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: And that was always the ethic of at least the
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: goal ethic of hip hop to put a little bit
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: in to say that unionizing is a necessity.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: And also the structure that was built.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: It's not just talk, it's real and to get those
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: numbers it might not have a flashy time.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: We thank you for the time that was.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: He was able you could like yo, I don't know,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: we just want to talk to you, Chuck about radio armageddon, right,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: and and we're so beyond that. But like I said,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: my brother over there at Death Jam and the work
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: that Tunji as a brother being able to carry the mantlepiece,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: we know that it's a shell and they got Justin
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: Bieber and people like that over there. But you know,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: but Death Jam, I was there at the be well
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: not active beginning. This man was there act the beginning.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: You've seen the movie CRUs grew all that depth jam.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: But my guy, guys, you know the public enemy guys,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: Hang Shoctly Flave, you know Terminator all the way down. Well,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: I would like to think after LLL we put electure
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: electric fixtures in the building.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying of.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: Also with great Spot, the Beastie boys who never get
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: enough talk.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Either for what they were able to do.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: So being able to take that light, what I've been
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: able to be in this in this in this industry
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: is a prism. And if you know anything about a prism,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: the light goes to the prism and then it bounces
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: all different areas. And that's my responsibility, my goal Like
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: a diamond.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Ye, why did they support the alliance?
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  Speaker 5: And well, well this is Chuck D. Everyone, he is
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: our president. I just want to say, you know, uh,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: I got a call from the founder, one of our founders.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: Actually Chuck D is a founder along with myself and
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: Scott X. So I got a call call from Scott
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  Speaker 5: X who is one of the presidents of the NAACP,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: and he said, man, we need a union. So I
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: immediately called Chuck, and we started this thing back in
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: two thousand and seven, but we got railroaded, we got sidetracked,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: and so we started it again about two thousand nineteen
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: or something, two thousand, well, twenty twenty two, actually we
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: formed the organization. And I want to shout out chub Rock,
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  Speaker 5: who is our vice president.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: Chill, Well, there's all people doing real work and on me,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm more like a recruiter out there. I
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: do a lot of things, but this is a thing
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: when Chuck, you know, try to bring light to the situation,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: and I'm involved. Whenever they want to call me winning
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: emergency break glass.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: You got you, yep, yep. So we have a whole
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: team in Cynthia Horner. You guys know her from a
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: Right On magazine and Madiutain and right On and Beverly
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: Page and this Tara Martin. There's so many people that
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: we have on board helping out with this organization, a
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: labor force organization, and we specialize in ips and trademarks
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: and publishing, trying to fight for the fair wages and
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: fair royalties, very very important, and healthcare. You guys were
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: talking about the black Don't Day track right, and it's
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: it's it's healthcare is the number one issue out there
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: for all artists across the world right now. These they
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: have millions of dollars that they're making for record companies
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: and don't have health care physical and mental, you know,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: and as it's critical, it's very important that we established
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: that that we can find you health care to help
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: you out in your time of need.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: So that's the hip Hop Alliance. Hip Hop Alliance dot
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: org pipelines.
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  Speaker 5: Anything that you need from dealing with your manager, dealing
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: with your agent, your record company, publishing, streaming, trademarks, you know.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: All of that stuff.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: We have the experts uh working for you and uh
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: so just yet with us. Uh it's free to join
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: right now.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: Uh and yeah, what's the website? You have one more
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: question for jug D number one. My one of my
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: maintaining year by year goals, it's never to be donkey
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  Speaker 1: of the day. That'll never happen. That My goal is
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: to never be.
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  Speaker 4: Donkey donkey of the day as past addicted to the
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: screens or screaming for the last you know what I'm saying,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: not job be that.
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  Speaker 6: I've learned so much from both of y'all today, man,
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  Speaker 6: I just want to ask, are we in an information
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 6: war or a culture war in which one is radio
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 6: maged and fighting.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: You're in a disinformation age and that started at the
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: turn of the century, and it's had several different technological
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: and cultural and also societal bumps in the road. Nobody
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: really can explain. Nobody can't explain what the pandemic was.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: They still people. There's some people out there don't even
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: remember it. That's true, since some people out there and
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: say they might have been bad. Oh I'm this something
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: that Yeah, I remember your ass stayed in the cribb
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: during April twenty twenty. Nah, but when nobody was.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: On the block. Yeah, yeah, right. You know.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: So you're in a disinformation blizzard of data coming at
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: the human mind that might not be and has probably
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: never has been able to handle it. Now, new people
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: will be born and maybe they'll decipher and handle information
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: that's coming like a blizz it, But for people from
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: the last century, last centurions, probably not so. The information
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: and data and all that, it's it's a NonStop blizzard.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: And how to navigate that. I think people have to
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: be taught how to be nedicins, because if they're not
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: citizens anymore citizens. It is like, hey, Charlotte, Mae, shake
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: your hand. Look you're in an eye my more words,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: bond and all that. You got people that think that
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: it's something right now, you always got to look at
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: seven year windows.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: So the answer to your question is that there's been
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: some things that's been unexplained.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: Usually when I tell people something's for Gayzy, I said,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: oh man, it's Butler pa stop, you know, but it's
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: there's things that we're not going to be able to
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: come up with answers for that. We got to go
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: inside ourselves, build a shell and build a tunnel into
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: those with like mindedness, because you're not going to be
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: a to have your like not minding us get to
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 4: somebody's paying you know mine, Mine over matters a terrible
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: thing sometimes, you know when it's when.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: They say you don't matter and they don't mind paying you.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: No mine? And what are those books? These books?
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: I'm an artist, I'm an illustrated it's the beginning of
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: my and I could get from all my I've created
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: twelve books. I have one for you, Kurt, seeing the
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: whole thing. But I have I have twelve art books.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: And I started out as an illustrator and all right
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: politically and cartoon wise, I'm actually two artists at the
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: same time. That's a whole another story. But I by
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: my company is called Enemy Books. It's a cashick is
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: a book company that publishes my my book label. And
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: Johnny Temple is uh is a great guy because he's
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: put out books by Glenn Freeman and Flag and all
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: that stuff. But he's right there in Brooklyn and I
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: have had art shows around the world. Look to have
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: some stuff down in MoMA one year because I like
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: a lot of people talk pop stuff like bascriat but
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: know Boscriot, but they'll wear some boscreat because hip cool
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: thing to do. But it has to be made to
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: be hip and curated to a point where we're like,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, I think that's cool. I was, you know,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: we're coming up when Bascora was here doing this thing.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: More so you because you was in the city. Me
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: I was at Delphi, and I wanted to just like
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: I could take that kid. You know, that's that competitive.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: I was more. I'm more competitive as an illustrator, and
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: I do kind of like I don't caricatures, like I
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: don't care if they exact are accurate. I could do
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: that paint scupe. But it's all about style and art
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: and everybody has art in them. It doesn't mean that
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: you're trying to feed against your iPhone and filters. So
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: I think that also got to be developed. Also, the
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: high schools could do a better job and trying to
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: curate their drama classes because everybody want to be in
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: the movies, right, But what happened to you know, the
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: football or the basketball team gets supported, but the arts
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: programs don't. But at the end of the day, everybody's
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: buying art or led to consume art, and you can't
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: have companies and corporations control art, and they don't let
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: companies and corporations control sports because in the high school
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: and the college level, although now you have the nil
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that, but there's always that balance and
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: there's a flow there and the arts we've seen it truncated,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: so the arts, health, union, music. I'm a culturalist, a raptivist,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: and a culturalist. I am good at the things i'm
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: good at, and most of the things I am not
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: good at. So and one thing that saves you most
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: of the time, that doesn't make you a dunky of
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: the day asks me a question. It's the thing that
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: always is cool. I don't know that's right, or or
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: like I got no words, or when you ain't got
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: nothing to say.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: Say nothing. Well, I'll say this that Chuck d is
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: a great artist.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: I have seen his work.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, we have this group chat that we have
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: for the Hip Hop Alliance, about ten fifteen people on
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: the group chat, and we're discussing business and or traumatic
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: situations that happened or who we can help next, and Chuck,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: when there's a death in our community, Chuck will do
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: an art piece.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: Right quick and post it before we get off the chat. Yeah,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: I'm like, this man is incredible.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's incredible. I trade myself and I
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: won't talk long about I trade myself. Back in the day,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: be a courtroom artist, and we're starting to see, like
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: with my man's case, now you're seeing only courtroom drawings.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: Back in the day, the courtroom illustrator would have to
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: do the illustration and then jet down to the TV
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: station to get it for the six o'clock news. But
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: then now with you know, with phones and gadgets and
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: you can actually send it to the text and all
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: that's different. But as you see in the New York case,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: no photos, no cameras are allowed, so they still like
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: in last century on that tip, but what's coming out
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: of there is illustrations. So I trained myself, especially like
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: this is what you do with toward downtime. But I
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: create anything. Then again, you have your own style, yesty,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: like what I'm seeing. If you have your own style,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: nobody can bite you. I mean they got to bite you,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: but you're not competing against any right, So yeah, I
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: could do something like draw this whole room off a
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: memory to the accurate, but you know I ain't spend
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: a long time doing that.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, Chuck ain't listening on them calls though, do
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: you know when y'all talking, he just.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Multitask.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I musk, I got draw this whole room and
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: not even look at that or y'all that's crazy because
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: it's like I could, But then it ain't about me.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: On that tip, I just you got my book. I'll
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: send you all my whole can see you see.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: Your book.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: That's why let me give you my I got books.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: I'll send you guys, Chuck d ladies and gentlemen. Curtis
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: blow so much for joining us man, and not just for.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 6: Joining us man, just thank you for you know, existing,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: and thank you for you know, all of the fights
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 6: y'all fought four hip hop, four black people.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: We really appreciate y'all absolutely, and y'all appreciate you all
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: the giants.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: And I really appreciate once again for for for being
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: able to offer your wrong to the Godfather.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: Oh Man, no, no, no, my My gratefulness is extended
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: to you. Guys.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: This is the first time I've ever met you in person, Charlemagne,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: I think, I think so. Yeah, Yeah, I've heard about you.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: You are a big kind, big time cat. Okay, yeah,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: and m Vy you know, we go way back, and
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: my man is good to see you always well, you know,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: shouting out the five boroughs.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: I gotta shout out my knicks, you know.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: I just stay off Seventh Avenue in the fourth corners.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: I talked to Bernard King the other day and he
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: is a good cat man. He is a very you know,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: he was like MVP for the NBA a couple of years,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 5: and you know, it's just amazing to still be in
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: touch with people like Patrick Ewing and John Starks and.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: Alan Houston, Starbury.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: I see over there.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah, Alan Houston, big big shout out to
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: him and my boy UNC and the New York Knicks.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: I hope we get this game six tonight. Everyone.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: We got it. When you name check people in basketball,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: that had to be something.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: When you run into those players and they're like, man,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: you name check me, Dominique Wilkins and oh man, yes.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, it's always great to be a part of
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: that whole scene, you know. So shout out to Jalen
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: Brunson and Kat and Og my man Og Bridges Man.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: What a great team am.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: I like to leave a one note just just to
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: say that we want to be able sometimes to use
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: social media for all the power that it has been
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: in its creation. It's always better to shine somebody's day
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: up by congratulating instead of its being used for hayten,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: there you go. I mean the compliment when you receive
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: a compliment, if you can open your day, when you
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: open up whatever, if you receive a compliment, just give
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: a compliment on just GP right and y'o, man, I
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: love that. That's cool. I could dig it like that.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: It goes a long way because we're gonna have to
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: figure out. You know, a certain life cycle with these
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: gadgets and devices because they here to stay, you know,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: even when they get in planet into your gums.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: Oh that's coming right there, absolutely and shouting out the
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: five Burroughs, y'all.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: We can't forget that, man. I love you all, Queens.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: You know my heart is in Queens Long Island, Brooklyn.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: I love you Harlem. You know I was born and.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: Raised in Connecticut, in Jersey and the Boogie Down.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: You know, we can't forget the Boogie Down. Bronx gave
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: us hip hop this whole move Yes, indeed, and the
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: future is yours.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: I just want to tell all the young people listening,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: the future of this planet is in your hands, you know.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: And don't forget about staten allanybody.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, Richmond County, right right, yeah,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: right right.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: Curtis blow Chuck d Man. I love you guys, and
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: thank you, thank you, thank you for the movement, thank
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: you for the support and hip hop church.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: Y'all.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: Come in June fifth up in Harlem, uh one sixty
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: West one and forty sixth Street.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: Y'all see the you saw the Godfather Harlem, you know
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: that building that he lives in uh right next door.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: It's a hip hop church, all right, So big shout
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: out to all my people up in Harlem as well
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: as the Blue you down.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: I love you all.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: Let's continue this movement. Hip hop is the number one
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: stream music around the globe right now. We are the
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: voice of the people and let's take it further. Let's
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: leave them with these words of Martin Luther King that
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: any time is the right time to do the right thing.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: Breakfast Club, good morning, wake that answer up in the morning.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club