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87 Weeks Until the 100th Oscars | How Green Was My Valley (1941) · Best Picture Brainrot - A Countdown to the 100th Oscars

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Best Picture Brainrot, a podcast
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  Speaker 1: where three friends count down to the one hundredth Oscars
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  Speaker 1: by watching every Best Picture winner in order.
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  Speaker 2: Follow along as we give ourselves cinematic brain damage from
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  Speaker 2: the first winner wings to whatever the Academy picks. In
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 3: There are eighty seven weeks until the one hundredth Oscars,
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  Speaker 3: and today we are going to talk about How Green
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  Speaker 3: was My Valley? Surprises, disappointments, hot takes, and plenty.
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  Speaker 1: Of brain rot ahead. We are your hosts Adam, Sarah
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  Speaker 1: and Drew. Today we talk about a film that poses
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  Speaker 1: a question, how green was my Valley? How green was it?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I was gonna say, how green was my Valley?
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  Speaker 2: Sounds like something the Grinch asks someone after he hooks
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  Speaker 2: up with her. My Martha Mayho is like, it's the
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  Speaker 2: greenest and he's like, really, you think he's nervous to
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  Speaker 2: totally that valley was so green.
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  Speaker 1: I think I read today that they're coming out with
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  Speaker 1: a sequel for that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I hope they hook up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what value.
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  Speaker 3: That's what you do in any sequel, is you do
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  Speaker 3: Lady version of the creature True to be it's gonna
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  Speaker 3: be Grench with boobs and and long eyelashes. Okay, she'll
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  Speaker 3: be voiced by like Tiffany Hattish or something.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, just like the Grinch. This value is pretty damn green,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe it's more accurate to say gold. Because this
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  Speaker 1: was the winner of the fourteenth Academy Award for Best Picture,
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  Speaker 1: bringing to a close a historic run for historic director
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  Speaker 1: john Ford Stagecoach, The Grapes of Wrath and Now How
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  Speaker 1: Green Was My Valley all in the span of three years.
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  Speaker 1: He would also win two of his four Best Director
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  Speaker 1: Oscars for the latter two movies, which of course includes
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  Speaker 1: what we are talking about today. This is a movie
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  Speaker 1: about a Welsh coal mining family whose parents dream of
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  Speaker 1: a better life for their children. So the question I
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  Speaker 1: want to ask is what's everyone's favorite whale's movie set
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  Speaker 1: in whales?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: I just want to know you still mind. It's originally
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  Speaker 1: going to be what's your favorite color of green? But
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  Speaker 1: I was like, this is better.
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  Speaker 2: What's your favorite?
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  Speaker 1: And I guess you can answer both.
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  Speaker 3: I like, I like a palm tree green, okay, And
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with a bowhead whale or no bluego whale.
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  Speaker 3: Bluego whale. My final answer palm tree beluga.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I would say my favorite shade of green
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  Speaker 2: is jade, and my favorite whale is an oh whale?
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  Speaker 1: What? Oh whale? A whale like oh weal?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Oh like a Midwest Are you making fun of my culture?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm sorry, I don't really know. A little whale,
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  Speaker 2: the one, the big.
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  Speaker 1: One, well, be like a blue black whale, ye whale,
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  Speaker 1: the whale, ork a whale, a wall I just like
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  Speaker 1: the classic one, the blue whale.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like the whale, the whale.
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  Speaker 1: Hmm. So a jade blue whale.
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  Speaker 2: A sperm whale yeah, just just they so just just
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  Speaker 2: the regular classic blue blue whale.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. My color is teal. I would say it work
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  Speaker 1: is pretty cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so like when they dance for you, don't you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I actually did go to SeaWorld as a child.
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  Speaker 1: I went to SeaWorld very recently, really is it still?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: As an adult too?
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  Speaker 3: I went and like maybe the last year they were
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  Speaker 3: doing Orca shows.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: It was for my birthday, okay, and I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: watch our lesser being entertain me. They punish you though,
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  Speaker 3: by getting you incredibly soaking what h you walk out
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  Speaker 3: of there and you're like socking, like I just sat
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  Speaker 3: in the splash zone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, what's.
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  Speaker 3: The point if you don't now what they do?
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  Speaker 1: This is a Sea World podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Now, yeah, Now what they do is they use that
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  Speaker 3: big pool thing, but they'll host rappers from like the
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  Speaker 3: two thousands. It'll be like chingy and till they even
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  Speaker 3: do stuff with whales or it's just ching just like
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  Speaker 3: standing on the other end of a pool like rapping
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  Speaker 3: to you. But it's like it's always do they use
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  Speaker 3: whale puns?
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  Speaker 1: They should?
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  Speaker 3: I think they still do dolphin shows and seal in lines.
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  Speaker 3: I think for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: Where dolphins are smarter. That's odd.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, if they're so smart, they'll find they should find.
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  Speaker 1: A way out. True. Yeah, they should have gotten it better,
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  Speaker 1: they should have got better. Union or they're so smart
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  Speaker 1: as they say they are.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of unions, let's talk about them.
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  Speaker 1: No, that was actually such a good transition. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: even plan that. I know, I know, incredible, But yes,
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  Speaker 1: this is a movie that actually does feature unions quite heavily,
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  Speaker 1: so perfect transition. Before we get into that, of course,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna pass it off to Drew. Oh I get
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  Speaker 1: it now historical context. I was, I was confused the
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  Speaker 1: union thing. Yes, that was good.
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  Speaker 3: That was good, Sarah, Thank you, Adam, Sarah. Today I
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  Speaker 3: want to talk about Wales. What is Wales and what
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  Speaker 3: makes them different than dolphins?
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  Speaker 1: Maha.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, that's for my other podcast with two friends, where
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  Speaker 3: each episode we work our way through the phylogenetic tree.
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  Speaker 1: All right, drews reheating my notch Lime, I wrote this
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  Speaker 1: before you now now.
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  Speaker 3: Wales is a distinct country, actually part of the United Kingdom,
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  Speaker 3: along with England, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Like the other
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  Speaker 3: non English parts of the UK, Wales has a notably
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  Speaker 3: Celtic culture. The many peoples of Wales were first unified
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  Speaker 3: by King Here we go, yeah up you in in
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  Speaker 3: the year ten fifty five. In the centuries since then,
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  Speaker 3: Wales had a on again, off again relationship with its
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  Speaker 3: neighbor England, sometimes conquered by the English, sometimes regaining independence,
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  Speaker 3: but they will.
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  Speaker 1: Never I'm not gonna do that freedom. This is that's Scotland.
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  Speaker 1: But the same idea though, Thanks mel By the sixteenth
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  Speaker 1: thank you for a Brave Heart episode.
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  Speaker 3: Ye character by the sixteenth century, though Wales was formerly
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  Speaker 3: and hitherto annexed by England, incorporated into the English legal
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  Speaker 3: system with the Laws in Wales Acts of fifteen thirty
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  Speaker 3: five and fifteen forty two.
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  Speaker 1: Fun stuff, But.
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  Speaker 3: You know it's even more fun than incorporation's into the
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  Speaker 3: English legal system.
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  Speaker 1: Geology. Hey, Hey, what's going on? Wow? Hey? Why is
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  Speaker 1: this guy talking about rocks in my movie podcast? Shut up? Bozo?
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  Speaker 3: Rocks are an inherent part of film history. Take Michael
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  Speaker 3: Bays The Rock, Dwayne the Rock, John Rocky Balboa, Rocky
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  Speaker 3: the Rock creature from Project Hill Mary. I might even
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  Speaker 3: include that rock that James Franco got his arms stuck
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  Speaker 3: under in one hundred and twenty seven hours. But let's
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  Speaker 3: talk about how green was my valley? Oh wait, the
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  Speaker 3: Infinity Stones. Sorry, I'm scared. The rock at the center
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  Speaker 3: of it all with this movie is coal. During the
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  Speaker 3: Industrial Revolution and the Victorian era, coal became the definitive
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  Speaker 3: export of Wales. Deep parallel valleys running north to south
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  Speaker 3: exposed rich coal seams across South Wales, ranging in quality
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  Speaker 3: from asphalt like by tuminous coals to pure anthracite. Excited Yet,
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  Speaker 3: I'll say now, coal from South Wales is mostly used
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  Speaker 3: to fuel Britain's industrial factories, but also its steamships in
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  Speaker 3: the Royal Navy. In many ways, Welsh coal fueled the
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  Speaker 3: British Empire. But coal mines need coal miners, and this
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  Speaker 3: demand for Welsh coal and steel and iron created a
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  Speaker 3: population boom for the region. The Rhonda Valley of Whales,
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  Speaker 3: for example, grew from less than a thousand people in
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  Speaker 3: eighteen fifty one to more than one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 3: thousand in nineteen eleven. That's a lot of miners, No diddy,
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  Speaker 3: now sherew has been taking stand up classes.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of materials.
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  Speaker 3: Say look, I had a week off last time. Now,
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  Speaker 3: coal mining is an easy work. Many fatal industrial accidents
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  Speaker 3: occurred during this boom time. Children were often employed, and
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  Speaker 3: the health implications for many workers were lifelong and crippling.
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  Speaker 3: But entire societies grew up around this perilous line of work,
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  Speaker 3: including the men, women and children. And how green was
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  Speaker 3: my valley exemplifies this unique particular culture of the coal
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  Speaker 3: miners of South Wales.
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  Speaker 1: You know what my favorite coal mining movie.
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  Speaker 2: Is the Minecraft movie.
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  Speaker 1: No Zoolander, what's a mine? Coal? Yeah? He comes from
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  Speaker 1: a coal mining family.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember that.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have to work at the mines? Papa?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now I remember because he.
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  Speaker 1: Did the impression he goes in there like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah he We watched that movie.
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  Speaker 1: Sadly, Ben Steeler was not in How Green My Valley?
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  Speaker 1: But I think Sarah's about to tell us who was.
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  Speaker 2: I am going to tell you who was? Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna start off with production. How Green Was My Valley
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  Speaker 2: was a Fox production, initially envisioned as a sprawling four
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  Speaker 2: hour epic to rival Gone with the Wind.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: This movie could have been longer. Disagreeable talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: The project was originally assigned to William Weyler, who is
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  Speaker 2: the director of our next film, who planned to film
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  Speaker 2: in Wales, but World War Two made overseas shooting William Waleser.
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  Speaker 1: William Wiler was working in Wales.
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  Speaker 2: Are you guys doing stand up? Are you guys doing
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  Speaker 2: stand up in like Santa Monica on Wednesdays or something?
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  Speaker 1: Oh whale?
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  Speaker 2: I made that earlier, y'all, and you're accusing us. Y'all
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  Speaker 2: are so chaotic.
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  Speaker 1: You can't take us anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: No stopp being so crazy guys. Weyler eventually left the
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  Speaker 2: project and was replaced by John Ford. Unable to shoot
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  Speaker 2: on location, Fox constructed an enormous eighty acre Welsh mining
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  Speaker 2: village in the hills near Malibu. At least it's not
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  Speaker 2: Kelleen Island.
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  Speaker 1: Chester for coal reading of the sky snl. If you're
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  Speaker 1: casting for the still doing that sketch, I believe YEA.
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  Speaker 2: More than one hundred and fifty builders spent six months
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  Speaker 2: creating the town, importing huge blocks of coal, and even
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  Speaker 2: painting hillsides black to mimic the coal covered landscapes of
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  Speaker 2: South Wales. The finish set was so detailed that many
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  Speaker 2: of viewers assumed the film had actually been shot in Wales.
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  Speaker 2: The film was originally planned in technicolor, but was switched
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  Speaker 2: to black and white because southern California didn't look enough
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  Speaker 2: like Whales. Ford worked quickly and efficiently. He famously cut
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  Speaker 2: in camera, meaning he shot very little extra footage and
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  Speaker 2: often used only a handful of takes. Despite the scale
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  Speaker 2: of the production, principal photography lasted only about two months.
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  Speaker 2: Ford later called How Green was My Valley his favorite
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  Speaker 2: of all time of the films that he has directed.
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  Speaker 1: HM interesting fun little.
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  Speaker 2: Production snippet Maureen O'Hara got sent to film set jail.
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  Speaker 2: During filming, she pointed out that her character was carrying
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  Speaker 2: a modern basket instead of a period accurate one. John
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  Speaker 2: Ford was furious that she corrected him in front of
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  Speaker 2: the crew and ordered her to sit alone on a
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  Speaker 2: nearby hill for an hour.
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  Speaker 1: She was trained to well, actually.
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  Speaker 2: Him when she came back, though the basket had been changed.
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  Speaker 3: WHOA, okay, respect, respect, don't cut me down the size
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  Speaker 3: on set.
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  Speaker 1: But I hear you girl, yea exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Now let's get into the cast and crew. We're starting
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  Speaker 2: off with director John Ford. John Ford is often considered
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  Speaker 2: one of the most influential directors in film history and
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  Speaker 2: is frequently called the great American director. He is often
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  Speaker 2: considered the director who shaped America's image of itself on screen.
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  Speaker 2: While he is best known for his westerns, Ford worked
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  Speaker 2: across many genres, including war films, historical dramas, comedies, and
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  Speaker 2: literary adaptations. His films explored themes of duty, honor, family, community,
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  Speaker 2: and the tension between history and legend. Guys, what do
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  Speaker 2: we do here?
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  Speaker 1: What are we doing here?
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  Speaker 2: You guys need to go to like recess or something?
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  Speaker 1: Are us to sit on? A hill A.
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  Speaker 2: We're You're going to podcast jown. He was known for
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  Speaker 2: his visual style. He had these very wide landscape shots,
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  Speaker 2: carefully composed frames, and a preference for letting images lead
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  Speaker 2: a story. He holds the record for most Best Director
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  Speaker 2: awards at the Academy Awards, which is four. Ford often
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  Speaker 2: worked with the same actors, creating an unofficial John Ford
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  Speaker 2: Stock Company which included John Wayne, Henry Fonda, and others.
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  Speaker 2: Despite his tough reputation, he quietly paid medical bills, bought homes,
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  Speaker 2: and financially supported people in need without seeking credit. Now
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about Roddy McDowell as Hugh. Roddy
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  Speaker 2: McDowell was one of the rare child actors who successfully
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  Speaker 2: transitioned into a long and respected adult career. He was
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  Speaker 2: born in London, moved to the US during World War Two,
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  Speaker 2: and became a star at just thirteen years old as
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  Speaker 2: Hugh Morgan in this film. After childhood successes in My
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  Speaker 2: Friend Flicka in Lassie Come Home, McDowell reinvented himself through theater,
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  Speaker 2: earning a Tony Award and becoming a respected stage actor
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  Speaker 2: before returning to Hollywood in the nineteen sixties. Today He's
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  Speaker 2: best remembered for playing the intelligent chimpanzees Cornelius and Caesar
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  Speaker 2: in the original Planet of the Apes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. Is he related to Andy mcdewll apes together?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm gonna talk about Maureen O'Hara as Angerhard Morgan.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how it's her name.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how to say any names in
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  Speaker 1: this movie.
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  Speaker 3: I'm from a very Welsh area of Pennsylvania, so this
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  Speaker 3: is like, oh, yeah, you can say I'm from brain
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  Speaker 3: mar Oh yeah, that makes me a ballast.
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  Speaker 1: Sin Wood is another one.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so Marin O'Hara, which Drew and I watched this
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  Speaker 2: movie and he goes, Marin O'Hara, that's I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 2: that Scarlett O'Hara's sister. He was dead serious. I was
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  Speaker 2: like what. I kind of let him go on with it.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of let him believe it. But he was
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  Speaker 2: very like, yeah, like, that's she looks like her, Like
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  Speaker 2: that's scarlettle Harra's sister. And I'm like, no, that's an
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  Speaker 2: act that that was a character's name. He's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: well it should it should be. They should be sisters.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they called her obviously.
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  Speaker 2: It was so silly. Marine O'Hara was one of Hollywood's
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  Speaker 2: most iconic leading ladies, famous for her fiery red hair,
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  Speaker 2: strong willed characters, and refusal to play damsel in distress.
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  Speaker 2: Born in Ireland, she trained at the Abbey Theater before
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  Speaker 2: being discovered by actor producer Charles Lawton.
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  Speaker 3: Oh our favorite, our boy, Oh captain, my captain?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, where's my cheese?
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  Speaker 2: Who's Sultan? Go go next? But yeah? He brought her
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  Speaker 2: to Hollywood and cast her in the Hunchback of Notre Dame.
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  Speaker 2: O'Hara became a star in classics like Hagrim Was My Valley,
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  Speaker 2: Miracle on Thirty Fourth Street, The Quiet Man, and The
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  Speaker 2: Parent Trap. She was known for performing many of her
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  Speaker 2: own stunts, her athleticism, and her on screen chemistry with
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  Speaker 2: John Wayne, with whom she made five films. Unlike many
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  Speaker 2: actresses of her, Aro O'Hara built a reputation for being
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  Speaker 2: very outspoken. She was fiercely independent and unwilling to be
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  Speaker 2: pushed around by studios, directors or co stars. In twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 2: after decades of being overlooked by the Academy, she finally
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  Speaker 2: received an honorary Oscar her for her lifetime contribution to film.
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  Speaker 2: And she was also a Zigfield girl.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's cool.
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  Speaker 2: Marine O'Hara is buried at Arlington National Cemetery in Arlington, Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: She is interred in Section two, Grave four nine sixty six,
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  Speaker 2: alongside her husband US Air Force Brigader General Charles F. Blair.
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  Speaker 1: I was hoping that she was the one who, like
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  Speaker 1: shot Nazis or something stolen valor true.
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  Speaker 2: Lastly, we have Donald Crisp as WILLIELM. Morgan, the patriarch
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  Speaker 2: of the family. He Donald Crisp was also in Mutiny
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  Speaker 2: on the Bounty.
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  Speaker 1: Oh he was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's played like a scraggly old man.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the one scraggly old man.
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  Speaker 2: I remember him. I did.
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  Speaker 1: It's just his IMDb's crusty sailor. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Crisp was basically just Hollywood's grandpa. His career was very long,
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  Speaker 2: but he was most famous for his role in this film.
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  Speaker 2: He was in Mutiny on the Bounty and the Life
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  Speaker 2: of a mill Zola. Fun fact. For decades, Donald Crisp
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  Speaker 2: claimed to be Scottish, complete with a Scottish accent. A
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  Speaker 2: Scottish hometown and stories that is Scottish upbringing. The issue
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  Speaker 2: here was that he was actually born and raised in
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  Speaker 2: London and had no known Scottish ancestry. Even after his death,
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  Speaker 2: a commemorative plaque was installed in the Scottish town he
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  Speaker 2: falsely claimed as his birthplace.
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  Speaker 1: And now that stolen valley. Yeah, well, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know what's funny is the author of the book How
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  Speaker 3: Green Was My Valley? He also pretty infamously claimed that
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  Speaker 3: these stories were based on his childhood growing up. And
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't until he was like on his death belt, like.
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  Speaker 1: Got he just was like I kind of made that
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  Speaker 1: all up. I think I know what's going on. Wales
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  Speaker 1: is a conspiracy theory Wales. Isn't many of those even
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  Speaker 1: been Wales?
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  Speaker 2: But no, he convinced the industry that he was a
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  Speaker 2: Scottish war hero aristocrat when he was really a London
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  Speaker 2: born laborer son. Oh wait, he is buried at Forest
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  Speaker 2: Lwn and Royal Parks, Terry and Glendale, California.
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  Speaker 1: Double burial.
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  Speaker 2: Is he? And that's a wrap on His.
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  Speaker 1: Ashes were scattered across the Highlands. Thank you, Sarah. All Right,
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  Speaker 1: so let's talk about this movie How Green Was Do
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I know It starts off, as many great movies do,
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  Speaker 1: with a voiceover.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a big voiceover either.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's like it can be was easy in
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: the valley, literally my green, beautiful valley. It can be
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: good of you sparingly here it's most of the movie.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, he talks about leaving his towne,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: which is a horrible mining town. He reminisces on when
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: it was green, but then it flashes back and it's
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: like there's a giant factory in the background. I don't
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: think it was that green back then either. The coal
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: miners are walking through, you know. I would say to
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: your point, sir about the production, the scale of it
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: was very cool. I love the scenes where they're like
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: marching down the street.
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  Speaker 3: I love the way those like British coal towns, since
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: they're often like in these like big seams. It's like
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: they're all of them are just like big long streets,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: and like the houses are just like this big. It's
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: like one long. It's like a bowling alley. You see this.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: It's true.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, the coal miners they walk and they sing together.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: You know, they're coming home from the mines. Family has dinner,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: we meet his five year music was in our blood
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: like air whatever. He said something like that stupid. But
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: he meets Bronwyn Cougar Hunter. He's like, instantly when I
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: saw her, I fell in love with her. It was like,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: she's way older than you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like Anakin Skywalker.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's betrothed.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: She Anakin Skywalker of the Mines.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: True, he's kind of kind of has those vibes. This
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: woman is betrothed to his brother Evil. The big wedding
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: scene that ends in a house party, a big wig
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: shows up. I couldn't tell it first if he was
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: like the owner of the mine, but that comes later.
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  Speaker 1: This was the preacher whose name is something well probably,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: but he shows up to me. This vibing with aung Karade,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna add is like a Lord of the Rings name. Literally,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I mean I think most Welsh names like Phantom, Phantom
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: menace sounded. Yeah, keep referencing Star Wars, but the next
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: will go work in the coal vibes. That's your watto.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: How many impressions have you done in this episode?
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: He's snt gonna get this back on. I need I
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: need charge right here. Yeah, But now we cut to
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a notice on the wall that wages are being cut
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: because there was a another town where the mine shut down,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: so a lot of the men came to this mine
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: and now like the wages are being driven down, so
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: people like don't have jobs anymore. Whatever. So the brothers
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: want to unionize, and then the it's like you dirty commies,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: you discussed the dad is just scab the whole movie.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, I feel like kind of bad.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he's just seeing his life deteriorate in front
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: of his eyes. But the brothers they stand against him,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: They like, stand up and leave.
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  Speaker 3: They're all like six foot tall, yeah, strapping man.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: And there's like one grumpy old guys. What are they
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: gonna do? Yeah, well, you know what they're gonna do.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: They're gonna strike. They do. Dad's a scab. There you go,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the strike last twenty two weeks. And then the mom
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: she wants to go to the strike meeting. She's like,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: where are you guys being so mean to my husband?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: And like, to be fair, I kind of understood her point.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: It's like he's not you know, if you're he's not
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the problem. He's just just an old man who's making money.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: He's just you need some convincing. Yeah, it's like she's like,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: be mad at the owners. Don't be mad at him,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: that's what they want. But yeah, this is like in
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  Speaker 1: the snow and Hugh the main character's name is Hugh,
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  Speaker 1: the one who's narrating this, and this is a round
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  Speaker 1: a thirteen or so year old that was a strong woman. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I did always there to defend Yeah, well she couldn't.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: She couldn't defend him from what comes next, which is
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: falling into the lake. They're a small pond, both of them.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Actually this this thing maybe the strike or something. Yeah,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: they maybe that it was like smash cut. She's fallen
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  Speaker 1: into a.
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  Speaker 2: Pit of This is the Best Picture winner, by the way, Yes.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: It is in fact the Best Picture winner. Some would
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: say it was a legacy Best Picture winner, but we'll
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: get to that. For sure. We're gonna kill me. But no,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Hugh falls into the water during the ice storm and
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: that makes his legs not work.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Can we just explain that I shouldn't.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Explained that epithermia like it probably like he got.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't in there for whatever.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: He's a little boy. But yeah, a doctor shows in
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: mind the author of this book lie true. It's like
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: this happened to me. I couldn't walk, but a doctor
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: shows up, and that doctor is like the most insane
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: side character that I've seen. He's just like over acting
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: for thirty seconds. It was crazy. I wish I could
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: remember what exactly he said because I was watching this
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, what do we doing? My
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: screen bug into the cameras, cheating out. But yeah, he
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: looks at me, he's like, you're never gonna walk again.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And after he leaves the preacher again like he's involved
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: with the sister, he looks at the kid. He's like, bro,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: you're gonna take that. Yeah, he's gonna let him tell
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  Speaker 1: you what to do.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: But I put.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: My legs, will work, put me legs? Yeah, oh no,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Now he's the lucky yeah yeah. And then and then
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: it's just more like rizzing between him and the sister.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: On Charad. Yeah, we kept to like it's it was
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the winter, now it's the spring. The mom starts to
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: walk again because they've been like laying He's been in
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: the window sill for months now, just reading. I guarantee
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: that dude had a tan on.
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: One but like a window pane, but Yeah, the mom
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  Speaker 6: starts to walk again, and the whole town comes to
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: celebrate this.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: They're like, you.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Best picture winner.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. His brothers show up to this party to like
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: rabble rows because they're still like mad about everything, and
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: they call everyone sheep sheep.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Why do I remember this?
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: In Wales, that's considered flirting.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Okay, someone I had to say, yeah, oh oh the
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: priest's name was gruffed girl, like the founder of Wales.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The strike. The strike eventually breaks, but now there
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: are sadly not enough jobs to go around. So two
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: of the brothers go to America. Yea, they have a
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: small this is really just and then it becomes the
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: brutal coming of age movie where it's just like we're
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: gonna get through this summary pretty quick, honestly, because it's
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: just kind of stuff happens, just kind of happens in order.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I loves to talk about a completely different talk about
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a completely different movie. And I'm not gonna let him
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: get you. I'm gonna drag it out. Oh do you
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: want to talk about how ebors Men's choir has chosen
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: to sing for the It's like, really, is this a
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: very important thing?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Is?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I will let you talk about this scene music was
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: like eyes out just seeing. Yeah, I wrote, Hugh walks
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: in a nice field. Oh, let's and is cute. He
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: learns to walk again. Oh, yes, that's okay, that's actually
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: why I wrote this. That makes more sense. No, he
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: does learn to watch that. I didn't.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: The preacher like, yeah, brings him to this nice little
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: glade and like yes.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Like let's go, and he was all like but but
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: my legs. Yeah, and then he starts wobbling and it's
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: like watching a little like baby deer for the first
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: time that that was actually legitimately cute. And then like
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I got how green was my valley mocked by Drew there?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: And then the preacher like totally evangelizes for second true Honestly,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: it was like it was a pretty religious movie.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: This is what you should believe in Jesus.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and then we then we are introduced to
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: another preacher who is the worst. What's the difference?
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I think Deacon is a step below. My dad recently
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: converted to Catholicism like JD. Vans, Yes, adult convert to Catholicism.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Well, to be fair, my mom is also
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a Catholic, so he finally made the leap. But he
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: did so did he eat the blood a large part
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: of that As he plays golf with the deacon, I like,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I think genuinely like that helped him. Like, this guy's
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: pretty cool. Eat your bread. In fact, I think the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: body of Christ is it. I'm gonna like it here,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: we've been drinking enough. Why don't whatever you want?
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Then?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Sorry to all the Catholics, because actually that's the most
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: relexis this family.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: What are you saying? I interrupted?
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I believe a step below an actual preacher and
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: you can have like multiple deacons as part of a church. Well,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: this guy was a step below the preacher because he
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: was an asshole. He was just really mean to this
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: unwed woman. Yeah, that's it.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: He probably just wanted to hit Yeah, he knocked her up.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: And he's like, then finally the mind boss actually shows
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: up resplendent with his top hat and and he's like
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: his son Yeston and mister Peani over here. But his son,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: whose name is Yeston, wants to quote call upon a
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: charad Like basically, he's like he saw her across the
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: bar and he really dug her vibe. But then Gruffin's
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: like the preachers like, damn, that sucks. But I'm pretty poor,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: so honestly you should do it, my gosh, which is
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: kind of a messed up, kind of mess up. Yeah,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: and so she does marry the rich man. What this
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: is like? What was it? This is like Wuthering Heights.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, I was comparing this movie to Wuthering Heights.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I thought, Oh, I haven't seen it.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's just like the setting. The setting first of.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: All, just like, look a smoky, smoky.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Cobblestone, like the angles. It all looked like Wuthering Heights.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: But then also this lady has to get married to
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: like a rich guy that she doesn't want to marry.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: There's parallels. Emerald Fanel has seen all the movies that
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: we've watched.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Probably I wonder which, like famous directors have watched every
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Best Picture winner.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think the only thing missing is they want
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Hugh to watch a barn Man.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: No, I want to watch. If you're gonna make a
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Weathering Heights reference, I haven't seen it. How does it
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: feel like? This is just a general Emerald Fanel. There
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: a sudden violent sexual turn, and no bathwater was used
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: in How Green was My Because they're dirty coal miners.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: But after on grad Mary's the rich Man for Money,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: we have a little I don't know if this's like
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: an innerlude or whatever, but I did like this scene
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: where Hugh goes to school. Grefa teaches Hugh algebra so
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: he can go to the National School a bougie. His
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: teachers like the war no reason, you get me sick.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: It's just like, what like for no reason? You know,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: It's like it's literally it's kind of like that stated
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: parasite where he's like, I could smell the It's like
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: that same vibe. He doesn't say he can smell him. Yeah,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: but you probably the cold probably could actually exactly. But yeah,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: like everyone's so mean to this kid.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so sad.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Hugh gets into a justified fight with what
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I wrote down as a Stephen King bully, just like
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: no reason. Just the worst people for no reason. But
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I do say this is the point in the movie
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: where you meet the coolest character of all time because
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: his name is Die Bando, which is a straight starlin. Yeah,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: that's legitimately a fan. The furtherrest, No, the pod racing
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: scene in this movie is so cool. Yeah, but yeah, no,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Die Bando teaches him how to box, which is kind
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: of lit, to be honest, and then he punks his bully,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Like they get into a fight and he punks his
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: bully and honestly, the bully kind of respects the fight.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: A fight was so fun to watch. The fight was
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun. And then he wins and the
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: bully's like, honestly, I respect you. The teachers like I'm
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: gonna whip you.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: The whole fight was very like why.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: They got a tiny box. I love the way they
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: held their fists like lists, yeah, like brain mantises. Yeah,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: so funny. I mean it's like those old like you
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: see anyone like old boxing That was the style of
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the time. Watching like a twelve year old do this
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: is so much more fun. No, yeah, no, I completely agree.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: We have you do not want to endorse that we
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: have our first. Honestly, I'm surprised it took so long
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: in this movie for someone to actually die, because I
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this would be a movie where it's
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: like his brothers just get like picked off or something
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: just like iron No for real, but like someone finally
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: dies and it's ivor just one of the brothers. He
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: dies in a mining accident, and then his wife goes
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: into labor during that accident is kind of rough, and
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: then she birth's a toddler for some reason, like that
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: baby was way too old. It was like an old
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: looking baby comes out of me, Like, yeah, wait, you.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Forgot that unless this happenslater. But what happens after the fight? Oh,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: remind me, Dibando. Do you remember what Dibando does?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Wait?
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: What does he do? Die?
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: Bando and his buddy see Hugh come back and he's
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: all bloodied up from the or whatever, and so he's
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: been like caned by his teacher.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Oh I forget this. Dibando and his buddy decide, okay,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I know what to do.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Like all the brothers are like, we're gonna go do something.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: I can't believe I didn't write this down. This This
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: was like Dido.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Gets up, he pulls up to class the next day
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: and just beats beats the snot out of this teacher,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: just like cleans his clock. Yeah, honestly, everything in the
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: classroom at the school is actually very just. And it
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: was like it was, oh my god, I thought, like
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: at least twice I thought this teacher was dead. Yes,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: oh yes, because like they throw into like a wall
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: break and then they're like they're like you got that,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and he like his head moves like a millimeter and
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: they're like, okay, good, this is you. Okay, okay, we
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: were not to come to you Jedi minds. How green
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: was neboo?
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Wait? This is why I do endorse gangs sometimes, you know,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: like if you're if you have a tiny one who
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: can't defend himself, like a gang is so important.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone needs a die bando No. And it kind
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: of felt like a scene from the Wire where it's
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: like one school that's sort of like yeah, and then
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: and then like Omar pulls up like.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I want my circle to fucking die from me like
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: that in your circle small, when your circle we.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: All crazy, I'm dimando.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: We all need a dimando.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I did forget that. It was a great
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: scene and that happens before board dies or something sometime
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: around that time. It's a crazy thing that happens after
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: his brother dies. Hugh Hugh is one like I'm couldn't
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: school'ming go work in the mines because we need money.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: And two I'm gonna go to my sister in law
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: and be like I can provide for you. She's so.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Remember I don't remember that.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like I can because it's like a weird
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: call back to the beginning. Who's like I knew I
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: loved her when I first saw her. He's like, I
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: will provide for you, and like my cousin or my nephew.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Rather the kids yearned for the mines.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: But then we have a montage of him in the
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: mind like little coal miner get up and like it
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: was very Zoolander.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I want him to do a gameplay of this in
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Minecraft where you get to be Hugh and like.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: DL of Hugh Green with my value on Ford mobs. Yeah,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I do. Well. They were actually going to name Jack
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Black's character Hugh perfect before, but then they realized that
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: not ever get the reference.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah well we would wouldn't have gotten it back then.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that this montage ends and all of the
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: other brothers being laid off because I guess one thirteen
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: year old is worth four Yeah true, Yeah for strapping wells.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, we'd rather pay the kids that are
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: cheaper than pay for you who are experienced and had raises, etcetera, etcetera.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I'd rather have one dollars than four quarters.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: This is like a dime.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I'd rather have one dime than ten pennies.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: But then Agurad returns. She's without her husband and she
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: wants to divvorce him. Scandal, and clearly it's because she
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: wants to bone the preacher. Oh yeah, because her husband
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: is in like South Africa.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which, yes, it's like in South Africa, which dude
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: is a dude is a Now dude is like a
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: like a colonial criminal.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: If that's the case.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: He's like he's like Elon Musk's ancestor, like if he's
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: if he's.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: A mining barrier moving to South Africa. That's true. Actually,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: like we're just the I mean, yeah, laid it out.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: You heard it here first. Do you think his scene
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: was diamond money?
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I do think has seen this movie. I don't
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: think he watches movies. I think he just charges.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Preacher leaves town because of the scandal
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: that she wants to heal her bones. I mean I
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: wrote it down. So now then after that we're pretty
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: close to the movie being over. But the mine has
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: another disaster where it blows up, and so they have
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: a whole like scene of the mine very going up,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: lots of like employe like, lots of workplace disasters for
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: these minds of like cabin and oh yeah totally and
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: you know a shot while it was directed well like that,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: they send a crack squad down to get the dad
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: who was crushed, which is sad. Donald Crisp, he was
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: a scab till the end.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: He was kind of It was kind of funny the
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: way he was like hanging out in the.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: It was like, I was like, how get out? Probably wondering.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, I was. I was wondering the same.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Thing, like how A did they get him out? And
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: how B did they get him out without his legs
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: looking like a tube of tooth. Keep in mind again,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: the author of this book.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Is a liar, and so was Donald Crisp.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: True, And then the movie.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Sort ends best picture un of y'all?
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, well it doesn't. Just okay, did you remember what
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: the ending was? Some singing? I think?
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, throughout it, I thought this was originally.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: They bring him up from the mind shaft, And.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Though yes, that that was it was actually at the
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: beginning it was like, is this a musical? Like no,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't pretty sure this isn't a musical, and then
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: they greet each other by saying, She's like, it's a music.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: There was enough thing for me to consider it a musical.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: It was. It was annoying Welsh. I loved. It was
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: to our eyes, we know, but that's a that's a
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: summary of the movie.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: When you put it that way, Really not much happened more.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: It was just it was just a very classic coming
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: of age story in granted a very different and novel
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: setting that you don't see that much totally, So I
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: think that that is something to appreciate. It has that
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: john Ford sensibility of like he just loved tragedy. I
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: think he was someone who just really came up through
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the depression and it really messed with him totally, which
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: is like completely a valid thing to feel. But yeah,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I mean you look at things like Stagecoach, Grapes of Wrath,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: How Green was My Valley, Like they're all very depressing.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I think this is maybe my first john Ford movie.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I didn't know who he was before this.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's very iconic, very I've certainly heard and know
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: of him, but weirdly, I alway saw him as a
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Western director.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: So it's funny that this. I know, it's like none
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: of his westerns were really like I guess stage coaches
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: up for multiple awards. But all right, now that we're
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: done talking about how Green was My Valley, we're going
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: to talk about the fourteenth Academy Awards. They were held
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: on February twenty sixth, nineteen forty two, but they almost
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: weren't held at all because in December of nineteen forty one,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: a little something called Pearl Harbor occurred, which is a psyche. Yeah,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: the movie came out, shattering the box office as well
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: as the collective psyche of the American consciousness, but it
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: is something that brought the krim reality of the war
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: all too close. So additionally, in the enter world, Carol Lombard,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: a very popular actress at the time, also tragically died.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: She was selling war bonds in Indiana and her plane
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: returning to Los Angeles crashed. Oh yeah, big Memoriam this year.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: You know who else is at Pearl Harbor? Yes, our
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: friend from Apple, Yeah, from Cimarron. What our friend from
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: a Cimarron is the Pearl Harbor. He was stuck at
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor and he was like, guys, my one wish
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: is you do the oscar. It's really important. I know
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: people say it's just patting ourselves on the back, but
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: now what than ever, we need to celebrate the ar. Yeah,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: he called he called in. We got a pineapple man
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: on the ground at Pearl Harbor. He actually may not
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: have come back from Pearl Harbor by the time of
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: this OSCAR a long time, but anyway, the Pearl Harbor,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: as well as the death of Carol Lombard, was very
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: much like a tragic one to two punch along with
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: the general malaise of wartime. So there were discussions of
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: cancelation for the specific oscars. Ultimately they were deferred, although
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: there were attempts to kind of scale down the pomp
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: and circumstance of the event to make it more palatable
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: to the public. I think this was the one actually
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: where Betty Davis, who was president of the Academy at
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: the time, she was like, We're gonna host a big
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Oscars and sell tickets and give all the money to
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: the Red Cross. The Academy was like non. Again to
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: the recredit. They didn't make it a huge galla. They
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: just had it in like a small theater. But yeah,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: that was a lot of discussion on like should we
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: shouldn't we have this award ceremony, But they did. That's
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: why we're talking about it. Our friend Joan Fontaine, who
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: maybe should have won last year for Rebecca, she actually
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: did win Best Actress this year for another Hitchcock performance,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: this one in the movie Suspicion. She was up against
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: her sister Olivia de Haviland. Oh I know do Literally
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: their sibling rivalry was on like full display for the night,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: which I wish.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I was to be a fly on the head.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: But at the night, how green was My Valley was
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: the big winner. It took Home Picture Director, Supporting Actor
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: for Donald Crisp Cinematography and Art Directions, our Scottish King. Yeah,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: ladies and gents. So there there was important, some important
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: competition in this year. So first we'll talk about the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: not so important competition. So we had Blossoms in the Dust,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: a biopic of a Texas orphan's rights advocate.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Pass I'm an orphan.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Fantasy romance Here Comes Mister Jordan, where a boxer who
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: accidentally dies before his time is sent back to Earth
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: where hijinks ensue smash. That sounds crazy actually reading the
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: description was crazy for that one. It's It's Die Bando
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: does Soul basically yeah, kind of another Deep South Betty
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Davis vehicle called The Little Foxes pass a biography of
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: a minister called One Foot in Heaven just like a
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: random Mints. There's another biopic of a World War One veteran,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Alvin C. York called Sergeant York.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Past John was World War One.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, true. It was the Best Actor winner this year.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: We literally literally got a new war like, oh, we'll see,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: we'll see that soon. But then there was also I
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: mentioned what Joan Fontaine won for Suspicion to Hitchcock Moviemah. Yeah,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: she was again playing a woman in a whirlwind marriage
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: who has reason to believe her husband may have killed someone.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, get some new material, Alfred.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still smashing though.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So The Maltese Falcon was another nominee this year.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Is a now legendary noir starring Humphrey Bogart and had
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: a supporting turn by the incredible German character actor Peter Lare,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: though neither of the men were nominated smash It was
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: also one of the quintessential uses of the mcguffin shout
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: out MC. Yeah. Yeah, you know, fans of noir are
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: probably mad about the lack of Oscar Love. But I
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: haven't seen Maltese Falcon. I don't like the noir genre,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna break it too. I have seen it. Yeah,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I thought it was boring. Well, Alexis was saying the
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: same thing. Like her sister, who we watched this movie with,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: was like, I don't really like them almost about it.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's because it's like the noir movie that It's like,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I've kind of seen all the tropes already, so I
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: just sort of was like, the only watch like who
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Framed Roger Rabbit? Yeah, the only reason I would watch
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: it is because I do really like Peter Lare. Yeah,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it's worth watching. It's just to know the definitive noir,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: perhaps to be in the conversation. Speaking of being in
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: the conversation, the big one this year that did not
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: win was Citizen Kane. It's a movie that was for
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: decades considered the best movie of all time by the
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Sitan sound List. From nineteen sixty two to twenty twelve,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: so directed, written by and start in by Orson Wells,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: he became the first person ever to be nominated for
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: all four of Best Actor, Best Director, Best Screenplay, and
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Best Picture as a producer and he was twenty six.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: What that ho old?
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I am yeah?
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Fuck, why did you have to say that?
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: No, they called him a boy genius. Oh that's that's
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: what they called me, a boy genius. To be fair, people,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: people back then were dying at like thirty five. It
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: was a middle aged genius. It was well into his
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: twilight years. Okay, fair, Yeah, but he did win Screenplay
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: at the time, it was an achievement in and of
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: itself because the movie was disappointing, I believe from a
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: box office perspective. I'm sorry, I'm just thinking of a
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: backroom style press cycle for Citizen Kane. Misteritison Kane Parsons.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: It's using the headshot for every article. Yeah. Literally, he's
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: got the broccoli cut.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Oh god.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: So history, I would say, has been incredibly kind of Kane.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: It is, I would say, very hard to imagine it,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: especially because he was just on the scene, winning this
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: award against such a stalwart veterans such as Ford so
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: early into Well's career. But I've forced everyone to watch
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: or at least consider Citizen Kane before watching this movie,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: so I did his own FYC campaign. Yeah, but The
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Citizen Gang's a great movie. For those of you who
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: hadn't seen it, will give you like the Nickel tour
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: of the story it's about. It is, guess whose favorite
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: movie Donald Trump's favorite Trump's favorite movie. Yeah, up there
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: with Ryan Reynolds and that's that's a nightmare blood rotation
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: f m K.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, No, that's for you, smasher pass.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna Mary kill Cavalcade, Rebecca and Citizen Kane.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get smart.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the best way of going about this particular one.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna fuck Rebecca call me missus Danvers the way
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna marry, I'll marry Citizen Kane and I'll kill Cavalcade.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, wowna makes sense now, that all makes sense. But yes,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Citizen Kane is about someone who comes into a huge
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: fortune at very young age, becomes a media magnet again
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: also at a very young age, and his life. It
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: starts off with spoiler alert him dying and people trying
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: to figure out the meaning of the last words that
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: he said, which is the word Rosebud. You find out
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: by the end of the movie, through a series of say,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: like interviews with people who knew him had passed ways
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: with him along the way that actually, I don't think
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: the world in the movie actually ever realizes this. It's
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: just the audience learned that Rosebud was the name of
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: the sled that he was sledding on when he was
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: taken away from his parents, So it was like, you know,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: it was kind of like before he became who he was.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: It was his last tim thinking of his sad missed
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: life that he had. Citizen King, I would say, is
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: very notable for its use of camera work in different
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: styles and things that were incredibly innovative at the time.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: So it was a very different style of movie. I
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: would say the it's still a very modern movie. I've
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: always liked watching it. The first time I watched it,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I get it. Second time I
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: watched it, I was like, I kind of see the
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: flaws and the cracks in the movie a little bit.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's a perfect movie by any means.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it's necessarily like the best movie of
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: all time, but I see why it held it for
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: so long, because it's honestly a very populist movie. It's
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: very like you can understand it, I think, very easily.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: And it's exciting. Yes, and it's like a surprisingly not
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: stodgy movie for like the time frame and the type
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: of movie that it is. It's very fun. But I'm
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: a big fan of Sinson Kane rewatched it recently. It's good.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I watched it for the first time because Adam made me.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I did Citizen Lane. I just felt like a cinephile
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: ass movie. Adam, It's fair from my perspective. Again, let
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: us let it be known. Guardians of the Galazy Volume
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: two is my favorite movie. Yes, outside of Inglorious Bastards,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: it's Guardians of the Galaxy Volume two. Okay. It just
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: felt like it was like a director, it was a cinematographer,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: a production designer, and like a sound engineer, all just
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: kind of being like, what's the absolute most we can do?
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is sort of a maximalist movie.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: It is, And I was like, I don't know why
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: I care about this guy. Like the beginning was really
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: slow and then it was just this dude who was
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: like just buying more rooms to get miserable in like
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: bigger and bigger rooms to be all like in his fields,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: and I'm just like, I don't know, I just didn't
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: care about him.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really long interesting. I'm actually super curious
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: your thoughts related to how Green was my Valley. I've
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: seen Citizen K, You've seen just In King's pretty decent.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's like I see what I will
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: get into this, but I see why it was the
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: most popular movie for so long. I do think it's
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: one of those movies that also became so popular and
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: was at the top of the list for so long
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: that people who haven't even seen it.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Kept saying it was their favorite movie.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: Like, don' I think literally that is the case for
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: something like that is like like he just googled, like
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: best movie literally.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: For a couple of generations. Although I think like that
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: is a narrative you can't say, but like I can
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: also comple completely see I believe I probably saw it. Yeah,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: but you can see why he would like it sort
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: of snowball into this phenomenon where it was like it
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: is the best movie, like we just know it is. Well,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like the whole thing with like Shawshank
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Redemption being number one on like IMDb's best movie list,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: which I think is like, whack I thought it was.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I wasn't.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: I didn't care for that movie.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I think it's perfect. I agree with those I think
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: neither of those are like top two hundred best movies.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, like you're never
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: gonna find something that's like, oh, this is number one
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: and everyone agrees on it, which is crazy that they agree.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Came for so long. Yeah, totally is Citizen Cannis Smasher pass?
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I guess you did.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: I'm passing?
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Well, did I say only because of only because caval
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Kid was right there?
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I will. I'm mayor yeah, which means I'm
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: always smashing Yeah, Rebecca, Rebecca, Yes, I'm taking a pass
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: on Citizen Kane.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: This is interesting. I think this is more tepid response
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: to Citizen Kane than the average cinephile, but which I
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: think is great. I'm very curious what you guys think
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: about it, or I guess any other movie, or just
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: in relation to itself, what do you think of How
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Green was my Valley winning Best Picture.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that must have been a tough year for
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: movies because it's not a best picture to me.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I can.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: I appreciate Citizen Kane for what it was. There were
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: some amazing shots. The sound was really cool. Like all
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: the things I was saying earlier, there were some things
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: that I really appreciated about it. It's hard because I
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: cared more about the story of How Green was My Valley?
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: There was more like it felt way more human to me,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: which I want stories more like that. But it's hard.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: I'm torn. It's weird.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I think the wind was completely justified. Yeah, over Citizen
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Kane too. Over Citizen Kane. I love that you're staking
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: your flag on. I am a, I'm a, I'm a.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: I got a green thumb and it's a it's and
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: it's and it's two thumbs up. It's two green thumbs
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: up for How Green was My Valley? Too coal covered
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: green to cover them. Yeah, no, I I will say this.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: I will say this one. I like them movie better.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: I will say too, I understand why it probably wins
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: over specifically Citizen Kane.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: I completely agree. I like, would I pick Citizen Kane
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: over How Green Was My Valley? Yeah? Probably would I
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: In nineteen forty one pick like an upstart director over
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: like one of the most at the time iconic directors
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: of all time. There is probably not there's that element.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: But also story wise, I think how Green was My
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Valley is speaking more to an older generation, yeah, older,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: an older style of life, literally the old country. It
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: is a story set in Europe, It is about the
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: It is a populous movie in its own way where
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: it's speaking about the lower classes, the working class, and
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: it is telling it from their perspective, and it speaks
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: more to that depression era, like oh now, it is
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: of the time. And I think I enjoyed rewatching Citizen
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Kane in the context of watching so many of these
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: older movies in like preparation of this podcast, because Kane
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: feels so different.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Citizen Kane is the reason it probably is was considered
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: for so long the movie like the best movie all
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: time was It is a type that is a movie
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: that defines the next several decades.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, I think come the.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Fifties and the eighties like that is a movie that
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: speaks to a very particular type of man and specifically
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: a very American ethos.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: I have I have a thought, and I'm very curious
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: this is probably a crazy take. Yeah. Good. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think in fifty years odd that get Out will be
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  Speaker 1: talked about like Citizen Kane was? I hope.
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  Speaker 2: So. I love get Out interesting.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Because I think there are some interesting perils where it's
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: like that comes onto the scene. It's very change everything
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: when screenplay. Would it have ever one picture at the time? No,
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  Speaker 1: will people look back on it and say, like that
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  Speaker 1: was It's definitely the same.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting I think it's an interesting
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: because that's actually honestly, watching these two reminded me of
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: that that was the ear Shape of Water one, which
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: is actually a movie that I adore. So we'll get
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: into that later. But I think there's a very interesting
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: thing there. I'm very curious to see what especially get
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Out legacy will be, say fifty years from now.
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  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: It's a good thing.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, get Out was unlike anything I had seen before,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Like Jordan Peel.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the influences is crazy, and I like
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: what you said herew It is like something that defines
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: the next decades. Obviously, it's hard to say whether something
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: will define the next decades, not.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: Even just like within the terms of film, but like
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: literally like in terms of the like even at a
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: political level, like the definitive man or person of the
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Basically the rest of the twentieth century is Citizen Kane. Like,
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: this is an American century now, it is not a
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: British century. The previous century was a British European century.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: This is the American century. And Citizen Kane is the
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: movie that speaks that because it was, you know, one
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: of the first to get its.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Way in the door.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: It's kind of the one that like they all are
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: like mimicking your your scarfaces, you're at.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Your Wolf of ball Street. You don't get Jordan Belfare
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: without exactly exactly you know what's so funny? Like I
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: trapped Drew into talking a lot about Yes, I had
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: a lot more fun watching How Green Was My Valley?
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: And I think I did when I watched Citizen Kane.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: That is so interesting. I think How Green Is My
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Valley speaks to a lot more of the films that
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I like.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: It is a little bit more of like it's not
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: fully like realism, but it is would you do like
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Sean Baker exactly? It's a this is a proto Sean
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: Baker movie. It's a it's about it's about it's very
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: like Slice of Life. There's no like very straightforward the
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: you know plot, it's about like definitive moments and so.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: You like voiceover. I don't love. I actually hate voiceover
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: so much.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just thinking about Jordan notes fine, I
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: was just thinking about Jordan Peel. How you said like
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: he kind of started a whole thing or it was
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: very influential. I feel like he was the first time,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: at least for me, where I heard of like a
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: sketch comedian going into horror, which I feel like a
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: lot of people now are doing, which I don't know
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: if that existed before him. I'm sure maybe it did,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: but I feel like he was the first one where
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: everyone's like, wait, the guy from Keyan Peel is doing horror,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: and now it's like the guy from YouTube shorts.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: You know, it was kind of the first time that
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: people to tell in a way publicly acknowledged or really
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: like a collective consciousness acknowledged the similarities between horror and comedy.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, yes, which has always been there, but
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: I think you're right. And then it's like now it's
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: laid out pretty like Yeah, obviously for even the people
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: within the industry that like, this is a this is
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: a roadmap, right?
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Well that was that was very fun. I have a
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: little brain rot before we get to the final verdict.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: This was inspired by I would love to shout out
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: my sister in law, Christiana. She inspired me to think
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: of this brain rock question, which is, how would our
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: main characters fair in the Hunger Games? Since they are
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: from District twelve.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Shout out Christiana, thank you for the question how they fair? That? Okay,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: so obviously he was rue.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, let's say, Hugh and Angarad they're
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: put in the Hunger Games? How do they do? Those
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: are very Hunger Games names. They actually are. I've never
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: seen Hunger Games? So okay, Well, the the you take
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: this one, Catnus comes from essentially like the coal mining. Yeah,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I know I know enough where I get what you're saying,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: but I can't speak to them. You can still, you
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: can still vamp on it.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: I want to know who is Peta who like because
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: he's so good, he's so good at baking cakes, he
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: can so silly camouflage himself.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: In the wilder say that Hugh and angert are the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: ones who are put into the Hunger Game. So how
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: do you do they die like immediately or are they scrappy?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: I think I think is totally winning. I think she
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: has Cat in his vibes for sure. I think Hugh
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: dies a tragic death.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Like do you think she's able to save him for
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: a while?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that she'll take him under his They're like, wait.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: That can't walk?
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, get the dead way?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: You forgot igot? You can box that. That is actually
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: a really good point. There's probably a great scene he
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: can't box the does that die bando? Woody Harrelson, that's
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: so that's a sponsor or whatever. Wow, we get his
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: tragic backstory. You excited for Sunrise.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: On the Why it is that the one with Rachel Ziegler.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: No, that's one that's coming out in November. It's about
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: it's about Woody Harrelson's characters Hunger Games. Shut up. The
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: book is really good. Oh fuck, you should read it.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: I should. I've read. I think I read.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: And the trailer. The trailer is very good for the
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: new movie.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm excited, but.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: We think you think's got a good shot out. I
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: think just like against like the kids, from London. She
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: is winning against Donald Crisp, but lies about his heritage
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: the lower cast, blue collar COSBLA. All right, well that
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: was fun. I think this is going to be a
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: very very interesting final rating and verdict from the crew.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: That's a very different Should we let Drew start or
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: should we end with Drew? What do you think is
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: gonna be more fun for him?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Oh? Really, let's start with Drew.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: You never start, You've made me start the last like ten.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Remember this is a four. At least there's a four
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: four in a heart for you always say in a
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: heart that's a four point twenty five. Well, I really
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: enjoyed it in a heart. I really enjoyed it. Honestly
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: got a kick out of it. It's a very interesting setting,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: kind of in my lane in terms of like stuff
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: that I like watching, just an older version of that,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: and honestly, so many dumb parts that I cannot get
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: out of my head. The teacher getting just knocked out
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: by bandoh, like, just so many scenes that are just like, wait,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I enjoyed it. I had fun watching this. Yeah,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: I'm that's awesome. I'll not be for you, and it's
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: better than Citizen King.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna give it two Okay, I thought it.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: I thought it was I thought it was a musical
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: at first, and that was pissing me the funk off.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: I think it could have been shorter. There was just
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: like so much dragging out of the imagery and it's
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: like we get it pretty shot, Like we get it, dude,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: you know how to do that. But yeah, I just
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: was like, it's kind of like we went over the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: plot and I'm like, what really happened? I didn't really
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: feel connected. There were the parts that I thought were funny,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: like the basically killing the teacher, but overall, I'm like,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: I feel like if it was in any other best
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: picture from like maybe previous years, it would have lost.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I like competition must not have
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: been tough, and I do feel like Citizen Kane maybe
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: should have won, but I see why it didn't.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's two stars, two stars, two stars. I
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: feel the same way about how great is My Valley
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: that you Drew felt about Rebecca. I'm giving it a three,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: three different reviews. Yes, call me Anakin Skywalker by the way,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: I bring balance to the forest, but no, I I
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: did find it broadly very slow, and it's it's not
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: the kind of thing that I love, but I think
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: it's very competently made. The acting is solid, the cinematography
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: is quite good. I was a little bored by a
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: lot of this stuff, especially in the beginning. I think,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: like the school stuff is very fun. When it gets there,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of like building up to that point. Again,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: it has a lot to say about things like unions
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: and such, and again the setting was very cool. I
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: always appreciate that, but it was just to me, it
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: felt like this is a movie. Yeah, to use your parlance, Drew,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: but this is something that I'm glad that I watched.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Now I have an opinion on. I feel the same way.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: It's like I would have given my vote to Citizen Kane.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched any of the other movies that were
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: up this year, but you make a great point for
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: why something like this one in the time that it did,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: and I think that's completely reasonable. John Ford was such
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: a legend. It felt like he had near misses with
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Stagecoach and Grapes of Wrath was probably their way of
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: really departed basically kind of Yeah, I think like that's
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: certainly possible. And in a way, you know, is it
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: a shame that how Greens my Valley cannot be mentioned
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: without being like, well, Citizen Kane lost that year because
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: I think it's funny like reading like reading the context
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: of it. Again, he was just so young, he was
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: twenty six. He was fresh on the scene in an
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: academy that was like stodgy. They don't do that, They
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: barely do that now.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, well, and I think to your point too,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: but when you talk about the tone of that year
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: in particular, I think a little bit more of this, like,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: you know, there's war.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Happening in Europe, Like let's let's remember.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: The good old days before before the Continental Era, before
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: it was before it was all torn apart.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: And we lost our innocents, et cetera. Like there's a
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: little bit more of that. I don't think Citizen Kane
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: really is like it's so American, it's so Americana, and
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: it seems a little too like it just seems like
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: a little tone deaf. Maybe at the time, Well, I
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: think like they hated Orson Wells. I think the Academy
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: did not like arsen Well's he spoke out against like
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: studio financiers, and so they were said they were like worthless. Yeah,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: so I think I think he like even maybe I
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: think I read this he got like booed when he
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: got when he won Best Screenplay.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: Orson Wells was an author who is.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: That the director and the writer. He actually came up
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: in radio before a Citizen Kane. You're thinking of HD
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Wells who did the time Machine. Yeah, Orsenell's was the
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: guy you saw the Citizen Kaneka, who who again was
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: twenty six and he looked like a rough twenty six
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: just because I think everyone looked like me. What about me?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Am I rough?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: But I think they You also make a really good point,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: drew this and I mentioned it last week, But the
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: European streak that the Academy goes on following Gone with
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: the Wind is crazy to me.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: What I of the American movies call me a boomer,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: But like we'll get there, let's keep it in.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: But like European like sentimental sentimentalism is like on a
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: high around this time, totally.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Totally and it's it's interesting to see like how it
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: is reflected in the world right now. But join us
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: next week to really continue that streak as we dust
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: off our British accents with Missus Miniver, a story about
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: a British family struggling during the first months of the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Second World War, really the first year, because you know,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: they couldn't call it cavalcade two. Oh God,