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Practical Applications for Solving the Existential Crisis of Humanity Through the Evolution of Consciousness · Sri Aurobindo Studies

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  Welcome to the selfgrowth.com show.
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  My name is David Ricklin and I'm the founder of selfgrowth.com.
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  Today we'll be discussing an interesting topic, practical
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  applications for solving the existential crisis of humanity
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  through the evolution of consciousness.
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  It's an interesting topic we'll be getting into in quite a bit.
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  To help us understand this topic, I'm excited to interview
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  Santosh Kinski, who's with me today.
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  Make sure to listen closely. We're going to be sharing a lot
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  of information today. Before we get started, I just
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  want to share some information about his background and then
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  we're going to jump in over here.
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  So Santosh has been studying 3 Arabindos writing since 1971,
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  has a daily blog and a podcast, is the author of 16 books, and
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  he's the editor in chief at Lotus Press.
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  He's the president of the Institute for Holistic
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  Education, which is a nonprofit focus on integrating
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  spirituality into daily life. He spent more than 48 years
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  building and developing infrastructure, publishing,
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  distributing and educating about the spiritual path of Sri
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  Aravindo, as well as developing and guiding companies at the
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  forefront of publishing books and distributing books and
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  products to support the natural market as well as the
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  metaphysical market in North America.
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  Santosh, welcome to today's show.
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  Well, thank you. I appreciate you inviting me.
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  All right, let's jump right in. So I mentioned a few things.
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  I mentioned existential crisis of humanity.
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  Can you briefly describe, and I think a lot of people are
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  feeling it already, that describe the existential crisis
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  of humanity that you introduced in an earlier interview we did
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  through selfgrowth.com? Sure.
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  Basically, I mean, what people are feeling today is this whole
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  COVID pandemic thing combined with all the Hurricanes and
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  earthquakes and volcanoes and all of that stuff that's
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  actually symptoms, but not the actual cause of what's taking
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  place here. Humanity has, through its own
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  actions, changed the climate model of the world, and that's
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  having impacts that go far beyond any of these day-to-day
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  events that we feel so intensely.
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  We react to the day-to-day events, but we fail to respond
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  to the longer term, slower, less visible changes that take place.
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  And it's like that story of, you know, how to boil a frog.
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  You know, you put a frog in cold water and slowly increase the
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  temperature, and it won't react to that.
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  Well, that's what we're doing to ourselves.
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  We're boiling ourselves like that proverbial frog, and we're
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  not paying attention to it. We're not turning down the heat.
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  We're looking at breaking down the Gulf Stream in the ocean,
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  and if we do, that climate will go totally haywire all over the
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  world because there are these ocean currents that regulate the
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  climate and everything else on this planet.
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  In addition to that, we're polluting the world, we're
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  poisoning the world. We have what scientists are
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  calling the 6th planetary species die off.
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  The fifth one for everyone's, you know, information was when
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  the meteor hit the planet and killed off all the dinosaurs and
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  a lot of other beings. But we're going through a larger
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  extinction process today at a magnitude that is global.
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  People have heard how we're decimating the pollinators, the
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  bees, and it's going to impact the ability to even produce
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  food. So we've got all these different
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  factors that combined with climate, combined with the
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  pollution, combined with overfishing and destroying the
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  the ocean habitat. I mean, we're basically
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  destroying the coral reefs, which are the incubators for the
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  food chain of the entire ocean. Well, what will happen on this
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  planet where so many people rely on fish for their food, when we
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  destroy the fisheries, you're going to have billions of people
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  who don't have a good food source because they've relied on
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  that. Well, they're not going to sit
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  there and take it. You're looking at wars, you're
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  looking at mass migrations, you're looking at disease
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  vectors happening. And so this is what I talk about
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  as an existential crisis. It goes far beyond this, but
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  that's a a brief intro to it. What's amazing, I love the frog
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  analogy because we're in a situation where we're aware of
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  it, Many people are aware of it. We're aware we're in the pot,
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  we're aware we're the frog and and there's really two options
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  for the frog to survive and we'll get into it.
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  One is turn the heat down. The others at least jump out of
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  the pot. So it's, it's interesting and I
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  want to get into kind of what humanity can do and what you're
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  and different groups are actually working on on this and
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  understand it's not like everybody's completely ignoring
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  it. So that's a good thing.
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  So what I want to jump into is what's the difference between
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  this? We talked a little bit about a
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  current state of consciousness of humanity.
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  So where we are right now and then that kind of the next phase
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  of evolutionary cycle. So we want to figure out all
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  right, there's these issues and clearly major issues.
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  It's it's, it's obvious to anybody watching the news for
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  more than 10 minutes. Then right now there's world
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  level issues that are going on this existential crisis.
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  So let's take a look at kind of the start current state of
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  consciousness of humanity and why is that important?
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  And then what's the next phase of our evolutionary cycle?
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  Let's jump in there. Well, sure.
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  Humanity has basically built its civilization and its action on
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  the planet based on what we might call the consciousness of
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  the mind and the mental consciousness tends to be blink
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  blinkered that it it is limited within its viewpoint.
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  It sees One Direction. It sees things as black and
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  white, either or and it doesn't take into account the global
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  impacts, the holistic impacts of what we do.
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  And so we say we're going to cure this disease by doing a
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  certain thing. We don't understand that we've
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  upset the biochemistry of the whole body and we're creating a
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  worse crisis down line. This is the nature of the mind
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  and this is what we've built our entire life and civilization on.
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  And so it it then goes to how do we understand the world, how do
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  we understand our relationship to the world, and what level and
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  type of consciousness needs to come in to give us a different
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  viewpoint. A really good example is one
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  that up until just a few 100 years ago, humanity as a whole
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  felt like the Earth is at the center of the universe.
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  And the sun rose in the east and set in the West, and it
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  obviously circled around us. And so we were the center of
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  everything. And then scientists eventually
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  discovered, and we've mostly now accepted, maybe there's a few
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  flat earthers who don't, but we've most mostly now accepted
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  the idea that the Earth rotates around the sun and it's on its
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  own rotation. So that that's what creates the
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  illusion of being at the center of the universe.
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  The mind thinks it's at the center of the universe.
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  And we make all of our decisions based upon we're at the center
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  we control. And what we say goes, well, it
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  doesn't work like that. And so the next level of
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  consciousness needs to shift out of the limited framework of the
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  mind and move towards a new vision that can see the
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  interaction, the interconnectedness and the
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  oneness within which we live. That these other forces of the
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  universe, the galaxies, the solar system, the sun itself,
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  actually control and develop what's going on.
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  And if we can shift our viewpoint to something that's
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  comprehensive and whole, we will make better decisions.
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  And just like the mind has changed all life on Earth to the
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  point that we've created the unintended consequence of this
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  existential crisis, a holistic view, a global view of things
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  can help us heal that and move us beyond the mental
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  limitations. There's a few things I want to
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  mention relative to things you said.
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  So one of the things that comes to mind is the fact that we've
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  been historically very individual centric.
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  We're focused on are the world we see and not only two things
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  that you mentioned that really struck me.
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  One is we're focused on what we see right immediately around us,
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  not the bigger impact. And also in terms of timing,
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  we're looking at stuff that's impacting us today.
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  So as a general rule and, and what's in what I find
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  interesting is that has served us in terms of growth and
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  technology and we're feeding a larger percentage of people and
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  it's helped in many ways, but it, it's gotten to the point,
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  the way I see it, it's gotten to the point where it's starting to
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  cause a lot of damage that this kind of focus.
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  I, I love this concept of almost a, a new consciousness that we
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  need to develop that will enable us to see outside our, our kind
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  of small circle that we're in. But one of the questions that I
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  have for you, so as we're developing this new
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  consciousness, this new development of consciousness and
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  new awareness of seeing the world more as a completely
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  interconnected, it's almost an interconnected Organism, that's
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  it's not just us, we're connected to the whole planet.
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  How does this new development consciousness help solve this
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  crisis that we're talking about? So how do we go about doing?
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  What are the kind of some practical steps associated with
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  this? Well, I think the the first
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  thing is when we begin to realize that what we
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  individually want, what we as a society want from our normal
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  limited mental viewpoint can be counterproductive.
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  And, and I'll give you an example, OK, We think that we
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  can cut down all the trees on the planet for our own purpose,
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  to expand agriculture, to use wood, whatever it is we want to
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  do, to create toilet paper, whatever we want to do with it,
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  we want to cut down trees. Well, the reality is that
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  without trees, we don't exist. People don't realize that the
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  trees create the oxygen and breathe out the oxygen that we
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  need to live, and similarly we breathe out the carbon dioxide
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  that they need to live. So we're either symbiotic, 2
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  separate organisms that are connected to each other
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  integrally, or we're one being in two different organs, you
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  could say. And either way, if we shift to
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  that viewpoint, we take a whole different view of how we react
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  and deal with nature, how we react and deal with each other,
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  how we react and deal with the resources of the planet.
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  We suddenly take the view that we can't keep spewing poison
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  into the atmosphere and into the ground and kill off food chain
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  species of of an enormous magnitude and still exist.
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  And so that change of consciousness changes the very
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  essence of who we think we are and how we relate to the world
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  around us. And and that's the basis upon
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  which we then can begin to develop balanced, harmonious and
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  forward-looking ways of living on the planet sustainably.
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  I want to delve a little bit deeper into some ways to can
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  practically apply this, this kind of new consciousness.
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  So and, and we'll get into a few things.
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  I want to get into a few things with you.
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  One is there, there are clearly people that I know that I'm
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  aware of and, and I'm part of this group broadly that
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  understands this global connection.
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  So there's a this, there are people, not everybody and
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  clearly not everybody. So relative to this kind of
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  consciousness and awareness, I think we're getting where more
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  and more people are gaining this level of consciousness.
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  So what I want to spend some time talking to you about is a
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  few things. One, what are some of the
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  practical examples of how this new consciousness as it's
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  growing can help solve this crisis we're talking about,
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  which really an existential crisis because we're, we're
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  destroying our habitat. We're, we're just, we're
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  destroying ourselves slowly. Well, and then we need to really
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  do something about it. So let's take a look at some
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  practical applications. Sure.
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  And, and you know, you're absolutely right, there are
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  many, many thousands of people, 10s or even hundreds of
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  thousands of people who are in their own way, understanding and
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  acting and working on ways to solve these issues.
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  Both in low tech ways and in high tech ways around the world.
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  I absolutely am very encouraged by that.
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  Although in in relation to 8 billion people who aren't doing
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  that, it's, you know, it's hard to make the kind of impact with
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  the speed that's needed. One of the issues that comes up
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  is that particularly here in the West, we're very enamored of
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  high tech. And so we think that we can
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  solve everything with high tech. And we've done things like drop
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  water and power generating projects into Africa at the cost
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  of many billions of dollars only to find out that a few years
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  later they're basically defunct and falling apart because the
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  people there, we're not in a position, nor was the
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  infrastructure in those areas ready to sustain that kind of
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  high tech approach. And so while it's great that
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  people are working on high tech solutions that may help at least
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  the West do a better job of being more sustainable, the bulk
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  of people on the planet and the resources that we rely on come
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  from the developing world. And so someone needs to be
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  working on solutions that actually can work in the
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  developing world that are sustainable, that are
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  reproducible and that are scalable so that people in
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  Africa and Asia and South America and the Middle East in
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  places where they don't have these high tech capacities can
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  begin to meet their own aspirations of living a
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  lifestyle. I mean, let let's look at it
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  this way. We live a lifestyle that is
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  unsustainable here in America or in Europe.
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  We act as if there's three or four planet Earths when there's
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  one. And if everybody on the planet
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  had the same aspiration and said we're all equal, why can't we
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  all have that level of existence?
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  Well, you now wind up with either you're going to have a
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  permanent aristocratic controlling class dominating and
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  destroying the people who don't have that in order to maintain
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  that aggressive lifestyle that we have, or you need to find new
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  ways to allow people who don't have food, water, shelter,
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  healthcare, et cetera, at the level we have it.
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  We need to find ways for them to have their basic needs met, or
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  we're gonna have global chaos. We're already starting to have
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  global chaos. The mass migrations, the wars,
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  everything comes from these disputes coming up where people
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  want to have the lifestyle, but they're not getting access to
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  the resources, nor are those resources there for everybody on
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  the planet. So we need to make some
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  adjustments here, but the rest of the world has to have the
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  ability to increase its access to these resources in a
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  sustainable way. And the type of projects that I
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  look at are the ones that are being developed in the
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  developing world using resources widely available there that are
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  sustainable and scalable and reproducible, and thereby can
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  begin to address the the larger issues.
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  And at the same time, perhaps provide some examples for the
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  West to shift away from its high tech is the only solution
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  mindset and begin to adopt some of these methods for themselves
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  to accomplish things that are done high tech but are
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  counterproductive. An example of that is when it
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  gets hot and it's getting hot and hotter.
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  We all rely on air conditioning. But there are projects, for
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  instance, in the the community of Oroville in South India,
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  which is a pretty hot place, they don't rely on air
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  conditioning. They rely on architectural
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  design and materials in their building that help keep a
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  temperate climate within the buildings without the use of the
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  air conditioning. If we adopted that here in the
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  West, enormous amounts of energy would be saved.
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  People would still be comfortable, and we wouldn't be
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  putting the chlorofluorocarbons up into the ozone layer.
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  So, I mean, there's a lot of win, win options here if some of
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  these projects succeed. Let's spend some time talking
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  about Oroville. So you mentioned Oroville and I
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  want to tie it back to what you were saying.
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  So there's clearly people are identifying some practical
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  applications of things that we can do even globally in terms of
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  making an impact. And we clearly need to start
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  implementing these. One of the things that really
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  struck me that you're talking about is the fact that, you
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  know, imagine of the seven, 8 billion people on the planet all
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  try to live at the same lifestyle and carbon footprint
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  that Americans live. You know, it, it would, it would
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  bring about a, a global devastation very, very quickly.
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  We, we can't sustain the, the lifestyle that we're living in
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  America can't be sustained for 8 billion people on this planet
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  right now. It's just, it's, it's not
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  possible. So Oroville, I am going to ask
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  you to spend some time talking a little bit more about it is
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  what's considered an intentional community and it's designed to
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  really help kind of bring about and identify different projects
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  and things that are are working and then have applications.
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  So can you that can help kind of solve this existential crisis?
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  Can you tell us a little bit more about Oroville kind of take
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  some background in it and what the kind of global purpose and
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  and some of the projects? And, and one of the things I
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  want to point out, I want folks to really pay attention to this
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  because the town of Oroville, this community is doing some
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  substantial things that can be taken, that the concepts and
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  ideas that they're doing can be spread globally and have a big
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  impact. And they're, they're almost
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  testing, the way I see it, you can correct me if you feel
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  differently. They're kind of testing out
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  different methodologies and systems that could be used on a
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  more widespread basis to have a, a global impact.
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  So with that said, can you take us through Oroville, the
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  community? What's it about and what and
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  what are they trying to do? Great.
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  Well, first, let me preface by saying they're not the only
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  people or community around the world working on different forms
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  of solution. But the uniqueness that I found
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  in looking at the Oroville project is that it's pretty
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  ambitious. I mean, they want to have a city
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  of 50,000 eventually. They've got about 3200 or 3300
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  residents there right now so that they can show the viability
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  of a sustainable urban environment, which is how the
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  world lives to a great degree. And that's where the crux of the
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  problem is. Urbanization has accentuated a
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  lot of the problems we're talking about, and so they need
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  to find a sustainable urban solution.
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  Oroville was founded in 1968 and basically the idea was to create
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  a place that would belong to humanity as a whole, would not
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  be owned by anyone, group or country.
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  Although it's located in India and subject to the laws of
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  India, but it's got its own little carved out position
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  there. You could say they've got people
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  from over 70 countries living there and with different
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  languages, different cultures, different backgrounds, different
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  education, different expectations and different
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  aspirations. And so it's it's sort of a mini
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  experiment for human unity. And of course, you know, you
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  wind up with all the normal human egoistic reactions and
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  then you wind up with how they go about trying to work past
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  that. And through that, because we
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  need to learn how to live together despite and sort of
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  even in favor of our differences.
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  So we don't make everybody uniform, but we learn how to
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  live peacefully together and find solutions together.
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  And then what also has happened is they're bringing together
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  people who have each their own unique skill set, interests and
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  ideas about creating projects to try to solve some of the major
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  issues that we as humanity face on a sustainable level.
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  And they've got something like somewhere over 55 projects going
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  right now. It's amazing the diversity of
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  focus that these different subgroups of residents there
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  have taken up everything from reclamation of badly eroded land
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  to reforestation, to creating sustainable buildings and
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  architecture, which I mentioned earlier.
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  The idea of tackling food, clean water, creating protein sources
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  that are sustainable and not reliant on the world's
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  fisheries, I mean it, it's, it's amazing all the things they're
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  doing and all of the various directions that they're taking.
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  And, and that's what I found interesting.
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  I don't know of any other place where this type of intensive,
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  multi dimensional, multi directional focus is taking
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  place. And all of it starting from what
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  is sustainable within the environment and not relying on
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  some kind of magical high tech solution.
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  So they may use wind energy, but they're creating wind turbines
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  and generation, for instance, that can be done anywhere in the
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  world. They're they're reproducible.
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  There's a few things I want to mention that came to mind as you
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  were talking. One is it sounds incorrect if
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  I'm wrong that the people of Oroville are looking to develop
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  kind of SIM in some cases, what I describe as more practical
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  solutions that everybody can implement.
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  So I, I think about what other folks and I've listened to, for
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  example, Bill Gates talk about how there's some high tech
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  solutions and, and kind of his vision and he's on board with
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  the concept that we absolutely need to, to do something that
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  we're using up resources. He's on board with it, but he's
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  coming from a high tech approach.
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  And what's interesting about Oroville is people are coming
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  from a practical community, almost a lifestyle approach of,
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  of what kind of lifestyle is sustainable first on a small
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  scale and then on much larger scale for for humanity.
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  So they're almost testing out what can be used.
• 27:12
  And I like the concept that you said they're they're looking to
• 27:15
  test it out in an urban level as they're growing the size of
• 27:18
  Oroville. And the reason being most people
• 27:21
  right now, we've moved into cities, we're very, very much
• 27:23
  urban life focused. So I want you to delve a little
• 27:27
  bit more deeply. You started talking about it is
• 27:29
  that, yeah, how the projects of Oroville differ.
• 27:32
  So we're kind of contrasting them to these high tech and in
• 27:35
  many cases high cost approaches. What what's kind of the main
• 27:39
  difference? How do you differentiate what
• 27:41
  they're doing with these people that are looking to solve it
• 27:44
  literally with technology? Well, that that's a a really
• 27:48
  good question actually. What, what I look at there is
• 27:53
  that when you look at high tech, OK, you're looking at needing
• 27:57
  rare earth resources, OK, these minerals that are very, very
• 28:03
  scarce basically, and are being controlled by, in some cases,
• 28:09
  specific countries for their own political and economic
• 28:14
  domination games. So there's a, a limit to that.
• 28:19
  But then they create poisons that that pollute the planet.
• 28:25
  I mean, you can't dispose of batteries or cell phones or
• 28:29
  things in a normal waste dump because they tell you they're
• 28:34
  toxic. They're going to, they're going
• 28:35
  to pollute things. They need special handling.
• 28:38
  And we're building up this trash and nobody thinks about it.
• 28:42
  OK, what are we going to do when we're buried under mountains of
• 28:45
  toxic trash? We're already getting there.
• 28:48
  How many people have a dozen pieces of technology in their
• 28:52
  own homes that they don't know how to get rid of and can't get
• 28:55
  rid of? And if they get rid of it, what
• 28:57
  happens to it? It used to be that some of that
• 29:01
  got recycled, but that got overwhelmed and they've had
• 29:05
  barges with filled with toxic technology running around the
• 29:10
  oceans with nowhere to land. It can't go on.
• 29:14
  That approach has reached its limits.
• 29:18
  That's the mental approach of we can solve it with what we've
• 29:22
  done in the past with high tech and industrialization on the
• 29:27
  other side. I'll give you the example that
• 29:31
  that I think is is most salient in Oroville.
• 29:34
  And that's their reforestation program.
• 29:36
  When they got to the place where the community started in 1968,
• 29:41
  it was bare, eroded, badly destroyed landscape.
• 29:48
  I mean, it looked like a moonscape, OK.
• 29:51
  And actually I was there in the 1970s and 1973 and I almost got
• 29:57
  heat stroke. Actually, I did get heat stroke
• 30:01
  walking around out there. There were no trees.
• 30:03
  There was a beating sun. It was in the mid 90s.
• 30:06
  And I mean, it was terrible, terrible environment.
• 30:12
  So they started doing things like controlling the monsoon
• 30:16
  rain run offs and changing the way water flowed.
• 30:21
  And then they said, OK, let's look at reforestation.
• 30:24
  Now in the West, reforestation means that you go in there and
• 30:29
  you dump, you know, you get maybe in an airplane and dump a
• 30:33
  million seedlings of trees into an area and you're lucky if you
• 30:37
  get 15 or 20% of them to take. And that's considered the
• 30:42
  successful reforestation. They followed a different
• 30:46
  approach. First of all, they looked at
• 30:49
  what the natural flora and fauna of that area of South India that
• 30:57
  climate was. They went to parks and other
• 31:01
  areas where those species were growing and saw how they grew
• 31:07
  and how they interrelated. And they planted trees and
• 31:11
  bushes and plants that would actually fit that environment.
• 31:17
  And then they started bringing in sort of companion plants that
• 31:23
  also came from that environment. So they would create a complete
• 31:28
  eco structure, if you will, in that local area.
• 31:33
  Over time, that all took root and became a full forest, if you
• 31:40
  will. I mean, if you look at Oroville
• 31:42
  today from above, it's green. I mean, you don't see the
• 31:47
  denuded landscape that you saw 50 years ago.
• 31:53
  It's incredible. And they saw that the native
• 31:57
  insects, the native animal species all migrated there.
• 32:02
  Well, how did they do that? They not only used intelligence
• 32:06
  to bring in the right mix of appropriate plants and trees,
• 32:13
  they also cared for them. They planted them individually.
• 32:17
  They learned how to because water was scarce, how to use a
• 32:22
  drop irrigation that they provided directly to the roots
• 32:27
  of these seedlings and nurtured them for years.
• 32:30
  Now wood is a very valuable resource and they're living
• 32:34
  amidst local communities, villages.
• 32:41
  And so they had to bring in the local villagers and explain to
• 32:45
  them why it was they wanted to do this and make sure that they
• 32:51
  appreciated, cooperated and supported it and got benefit
• 32:55
  from it. And so they actually created a,
• 32:59
  a symbiotic relationship with the local villages that are
• 33:03
  interspersed throughout Oroville.
• 33:06
  And everyone was supporting the reforestation program.
• 33:09
  And there weren't people coming in and saying, Oh my God, I want
• 33:12
  to survive. And they cut down the, the
• 33:15
  saplings, you know, so, so a lot of that took place.
• 33:21
  What they then did, one of the projects actually went out and
• 33:27
  reproduced itself in the country of Kenya.
• 33:31
  There's a project there and they brought in local people from
• 33:34
  that area and educated them on their insight, understanding and
• 33:41
  methodology. They went back and did similar
• 33:45
  research and have a successful reforestation there.
• 33:50
  They then went to Haiti and Haiti is a great example because
• 33:54
  there were both high tech solutions of reforestation after
• 34:00
  the big hurricanes destroyed everything.
• 34:04
  And there was this small project and while the 15 or 20% was
• 34:10
  considered successful in the high tech approach, they had
• 34:14
  something like 80% survival rate of their trees with that
• 34:21
  approach. It was unprecedented as to the
• 34:25
  type of results they get using this method versus the normal
• 34:31
  Western approach to this. They've also been reproducing it
• 34:35
  in certain parts of India. So they're now sort of exporting
• 34:41
  the insight, the understanding of this new sort of oneness
• 34:48
  consciousness we were talking about in the way they develop
• 34:53
  the reforestation programs. Now this is 1 little example
• 34:58
  because you know, the world is destroying forests faster than
• 35:03
  it's replanting them and it's destroying the oceans where we
• 35:07
  get more oxygen than we get from trees.
• 35:12
  We all think it's the trees and the plants on the ground that
• 35:15
  create the most oxygen, but over 50% comes out of the oceans and
• 35:20
  we're destroying the ocean food chain.
• 35:22
  So what they're now working on in other projects is OK, how do
• 35:28
  we develop like an algae based, reproducible, sustainable food
• 35:35
  source? How do we create options so that
• 35:42
  people don't have to destroy the oceans in order to survive?
• 35:47
  And hopefully you know some of these solutions begin to get
• 35:53
  some traction real soon. I love a lot of the concepts and
• 35:58
  one of the things I want to explore with you just a little
• 36:00
  bit. We've been focusing and talking
• 36:02
  about Oroville. So for folks who want to check
• 36:05
  it out, it's a URO Ville Ville Oroville and Santosh.
• 36:12
  Can you step us through a little bit of information?
• 36:15
  How can people find out more about Oroville?
• 36:17
  What's the best place to go? And one of the things I want to
• 36:20
  point out in terms of what you're saying is this, this
• 36:24
  community is doing a lot of things to really set up
• 36:28
  potential avenues, not only for them, but for the whole world to
• 36:32
  implement new systems out that will help the whole community,
• 36:35
  not only their local community, but a broader their country, the
• 36:39
  world that and really provide, and I love the concept something
• 36:42
  sustainable and reproducible. The, the real goal is to create
• 36:46
  something that's sustainable and reproducible to help humanity.
• 36:50
  Oroville seems like that's their clear mission.
• 36:53
  So tell us a little bit, where can they find out more
• 36:55
  information about Oroville? And for folks who like this
• 36:59
  mission, how can they support this mission and what could they
• 37:02
  do locally? So let's let's spend a couple
• 37:05
  minutes talking about that. Sure.
• 37:07
  Well, first of all, I would say they can find out more
• 37:12
  immediately from a a website calledaviusa.com or sorry.org.
• 37:19
  And there's a back slash flourish, FLOURISH that outlines
• 37:27
  some of these 55 or more projects that we're talking
• 37:30
  about. There's videos there, there's
• 37:32
  interviews there. I mean, there's a lot of
• 37:34
  information so people can see what's going on and they can
• 37:39
  find out more generally about Oroville by going to a VIU
• 37:43
  sa.org/orovilleso. I mean, that's, that certainly
• 37:50
  is one place where they can go get more informed about what's
• 37:56
  going on and what the projects are and how they're developing
• 38:00
  and where they're trying to go and, and even ways they can
• 38:03
  support it. I mean, people think that
• 38:06
  they're helpless or distant somehow.
• 38:10
  But, and, and in some cases they say, well, I don't have a lot of
• 38:15
  money. I can't just donate a lot of
• 38:17
  money. Well, if you've got money and
• 38:19
  you can put it in, that's great. It can be always used.
• 38:22
  But the reality is that there's a lot of things that can be
• 38:27
  done. They want to have, for instance,
• 38:30
  an Oroville TV station that is able to put this information out
• 38:36
  for the whole world using social media, whatever, to get the word
• 38:41
  out. Well, if you've got skill sets
• 38:44
  in that area, contribute them. If you've got your own ideas and
• 38:50
  projects about how to build sustainable, scalable and
• 38:54
  reproducible things, and you can't do it with Oroville, well,
• 38:58
  do it wherever you are. I mean, all of us have both an
• 39:04
  opportunity and a responsibility as citizens of the planet to do
• 39:09
  what we can wherever we are. And you know, I mean, if you can
• 39:15
  live more sustainably where you are, even here in the West,
• 39:19
  well, try to do it. We just moved into a new house
• 39:23
  and we're looking at, well, how do we go solar 'cause they, it
• 39:27
  wasn't a solar house. Well, every little bit helps in
• 39:33
  that regard. And solar energy, wind energy,
• 39:38
  ocean wave therapy, you know, whatever you can do, these are
• 39:44
  areas where energy can be generated and and then
• 39:48
  contribute ideas even to the high tech solutions.
• 39:51
  If that's where you are. You know, there are places that
• 39:55
  are putting sort of generating ribbons into roads so that
• 40:05
  electric cars can recharge themselves while they're
• 40:07
  driving. I mean.
• 40:12
  We need to get away from the internal combustion model,
• 40:15
  obviously, and all the hydrocarbons that we develop and
• 40:20
  the gas stations and all that stuff.
• 40:22
  It's going to change our lives, but we need to also do it
• 40:26
  intelligently. If we just use electricity and
• 40:30
  use coal and natural gas to generate it, we're still
• 40:33
  hydrocarbon reliant. So, you know, finding ways to
• 40:38
  generate energy from friction across the road or through solar
• 40:43
  collectors or through wind energy, whatever it might be, if
• 40:50
  that's where you are in your life and you can't go to
• 40:53
  Oroville and and do it at that level, do it some other way.
• 40:59
  I like the concept. I'm going to give out the
• 41:01
  website one more time. It's Avi for I guess, Oroville
• 41:07
  International. AVIU sa.org.
• 41:11
  So make sure you jot that down. Check out what they're doing.
• 41:13
  It's a very powerful group. They're making an impact.
• 41:16
  And AVIU sa.org/flourish to get some of the details in the
• 41:21
  program. And one of the things I just
• 41:23
  want to spend a couple minutes at before we wrap up is you
• 41:26
  mentioned earlier and I mentioned in my intro that
• 41:29
  you've been following the work of Sri Arbindo, who was inspired
• 41:33
  also the the founding of this project.
• 41:37
  How could folks find out more information about Sri Aurobindo
• 41:40
  and, and what's the what's the overall tie in?
• 41:43
  Sure. Well, Sri Aurobindo basically
• 41:48
  understood that the world is going through an evolutionary
• 41:52
  development of consciousness. And Darwin, you know, only saw
• 41:58
  the physical development, but didn't understand basically the
• 42:03
  the connecting thread that it was this evolution of
• 42:06
  consciousness that led to the evolution of species.
• 42:10
  And after the physical material consciousness, the next level
• 42:14
  was the vital consciousness that came through in the plants and
• 42:18
  then animals enhanced upon that and began to manifest the mental
• 42:23
  consciousness. Humanity has those earlier
• 42:27
  levels plus the mental capacities, and Trioro Bindo
• 42:31
  said evolution is not finished. And so the next level he called
• 42:37
  supra mental, which means beyond the mind.
• 42:41
  And he worked on finding ways through what he calls the
• 42:46
  integral yoga to begin to develop the receptivity in
• 42:53
  humanity to this next level of evolutionary development of
• 42:57
  consciousness that led to the development of Oroville and the
• 43:02
  kinds of things we've spoken about here.
• 43:05
  And basically, I guess the easiest place to go and, and get
• 43:11
  connected to information would be to go to orobindo.net, a
• 43:15
  UROBIND o.net. And there are links there.
• 43:21
  I do a daily blog that I post out there and, and there's a
• 43:26
  link to that blog and I do a daily podcast and in fact I try
• 43:32
  to post daily to selfgrowth.com so that people visiting
• 43:37
  selfgrowth.com can can find a lot of this material as well
• 43:42
  all. Right, sounds good.
• 43:44
  Well, I want to thank you very much for sharing all this
• 43:47
  information today. We really need to pull together
• 43:50
  and there are people that are making a big impact.
• 43:53
  Check out Oroville and exactly all the things they're doing.
• 43:56
  Santosh, thank you for your time.
• 43:59
  Any final words before you finish up?
• 44:02
  Well, I think we've really covered a lot of ground here,
• 44:04
  David, and I very much appreciate your efforts and and
• 44:09
  the support and efforts of all those people who are connected
• 44:14
  with us through what you're doing.
• 44:18
  And I want to thank everybody for, you know, spending some
• 44:22
  time with us today. All right.
• 44:24
  Thanks again, Santosh. Thanks for joining us.
• 44:27
  I want to thank everybody for listening.
• 44:29
  And I think we need to really pull together to to make
• 44:32
  changes, to make real change in the world.
• 44:34
  Thanks again. We'll see everybody soon.
• 44:36
  OK, thank you. Bye.
• 44:37
  Bye now. Bye bye.