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Canelo Alvarez vs. Terrence Crawford Predictions! Mayweather vs Tyson WTF! Weekend Recap! · The Rope A Dope Radio Podcast

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  Speaker 1: I've seen fans. Welcome back to the Rope of Dope
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  Speaker 1: radio podcast, The Real Rope of Dope. How's everybody doing.
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: I hope you had yourself a good weekend and early
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  Speaker 1: week so far. Obviously, we got a big, big fight
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  Speaker 1: coming on Netflix, Canelo Alvarez and Terrence Crawford square off
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  Speaker 1: in the ring in the stadium in Las Vegas, Nevada.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about, you know, some other action going on
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  Speaker 1: on the undercard. I really like the co feature with
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  Speaker 1: Martinez and Billy. That should be a really good fight.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm looking forward to this, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: it's a big event obviously, And as we get closer,
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  Speaker 1: where is your confidence level and tearing? It's Crawford whether
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  Speaker 1: it comes to keeping his speed or not necessarily size
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  Speaker 1: in length poss But you know, waight, how how is
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  Speaker 1: jumping up in weight class? You know gonna show in
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  Speaker 1: the ring. You know, we saw Jamel Charlow go from
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  Speaker 1: fifty eight to sixty eight. Sorry, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: I just said. Fifty four to sixty eight. Fifty eight
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  Speaker 1: sixty eight. It's it's a sixty eight chevy now, and
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  Speaker 1: you know it looked like he was just trying to
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  Speaker 1: get through the twelve rounds. Now, a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: think that Crawford, there's no way he's doing that. He's
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  Speaker 1: gonna go for it. Yeah, we'll see. He didn't look
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  Speaker 1: all that great in his last fight going up to
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  Speaker 1: fifty four. Based off photos that have been out there,
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  Speaker 1: he looks pretty in pretty damn good shape. Has he
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  Speaker 1: bulked up a little too much? Is he gonna still
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  Speaker 1: have his fluidity right? The the accuracy, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: the speed, we won't find out until fight night opening round. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the pace does help Crawford because it's not like Canelo
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  Speaker 1: keeps a very high pace. So we are gonna break
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  Speaker 1: the John's gonna join us here in a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: We are gonna you know, preview and predict that. Like
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  Speaker 1: I said, really excited for this fight. I'll start the
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  Speaker 1: show with some uh some recap from the matchroom. De
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  Speaker 1: Z owned card, a little pro box, Michael Conlin won,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of are the other items that will hit
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  Speaker 1: there before we start talking about the big fight. But
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  Speaker 1: since we last talked may Weather in Mike Tyson, sounds
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  Speaker 1: like they got an agreement together. Oh boy, oh boy,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my well, my thoughts on that, but
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  Speaker 1: also John's thoughts since we didn't get him in here
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  Speaker 1: last week. You know, Tank and Jake have a fight
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  Speaker 1: coming up on Netflix. I want to hear what he
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  Speaker 1: has to say about that. Uh, Parker Wardley, I've gotten
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  Speaker 1: a couple of messages saying what do I think of
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  Speaker 1: that fight? I'll give you my thoughts on that fight.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not crazy about it being on pay per view,
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  Speaker 1: I will say that. And Dana White actually claimed that
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  Speaker 1: there's a big announcement coming for ring for the ring.
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  Speaker 1: So what does that mean? A big fight? Are they
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  Speaker 1: putting on the uh the Mayweather Tyson fight. No, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. We will see, we will see maybe. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe it'll be an announcement on the deal
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  Speaker 1: and ring. We'll just I don't know. I'm gonna I'm
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  Speaker 1: just gonna stop there. I'm just gonna stop there. We'll see,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Oops, We'll see how that goes. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot to talk about on tonight's show. This
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  Speaker 1: we had some pretty good action, man, We had some
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: good action. We had some some fairly good fights. I
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: would have to say from over the weekend. Two fights
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about oops on that matchroom desone
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: card Guevara and Melina. I had Molina winning the first
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: two rounds, although the second round was really really close.
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: It was kind of one of those Guivara you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was a two way round. Early Guevara seemed like
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  Speaker 1: he was doing really good late Molina, but the jab
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  Speaker 1: in the right hook in the first round was enough
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: for Malina. I thought Guvara his combination punches were enough
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: to give him the third round. I thought the fourth
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: round could go either way. I lean Guevara, but not
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: by much. Then I thought Molina made a nice little
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: run the fifth round. I thought he landed the cleaner shots.
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  Speaker 1: The sixth round that was close. That was a really close.
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  Speaker 1: When the seventh the jab and the hooks landing the
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  Speaker 1: better shots, I did give the eighth. In the ninth
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  Speaker 1: he started landing really nice left hooks and right hands.
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: I gave the the eighth and ninth to Molina and
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: then Guivara. I thought heavy shots kind of in the
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: second half of the tenth round were good enough to
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: do it. There was a big right hand and more
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  Speaker 1: left hooks from Molina. But I thought Guivara won that round,
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  Speaker 1: so I actually had him. I had Molina win in
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  Speaker 1: the fight, whether that was six' four right around six to,
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  Speaker 1: four there was a ninety seven to ninety Three Malina,
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  Speaker 1: guivara ninety six ninety, four and then ninety five ninety.
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  Speaker 1: Five you, KNOW i don't don't really agree with, It
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  Speaker 1: LIKE i, SAID i just was talking about how there
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: was some, tight you, know tight, Rounds SO i think,
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  Speaker 1: that you, know to an, EXTENT i think that is.
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  Speaker 1: Fair so you, know sometimes you, know you can kind
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: of think that it's you, know even though my eyes told,
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  Speaker 1: me you know THAT i don't. KNOW i just thought
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  Speaker 1: he won six or. Four BUT i did say there
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  Speaker 1: there was what was the second and the? Fourth you,
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  Speaker 1: know so if that's a, if that's if that if
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  Speaker 1: you go one and, one all of a, sudden it's a.
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  Speaker 1: Draw so it's not like it's the, work you, know
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  Speaker 1: a horrible uh decision or something like. That but you,
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  Speaker 1: know LIKE i, SAID i did think That molina won the,
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: fight but it was it was pretty, good, Man it
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: was a pretty good. Fight and then let's see here
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: do you? Do oh, Yeah nunez And, diaz what the?
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: Hell that's kind of, weird all, Right, sorry get a little,
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  Speaker 1: sidetracked uh WHEN i get kind of Important texas during the,
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  Speaker 1: show AND i always just kind of throws me off
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  Speaker 1: that Damn. Poe So nunyas first of, All Nunya's, diaz,
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  Speaker 1: Right it just kind of kept. Building the crowd was very,
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  Speaker 1: active very very fun to to listen to them get into.
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  Speaker 1: IT i did, think although the first and second round
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: were fairly, SLOW i thought you'd have to at least
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  Speaker 1: give one The. DIAZ i gave him the, third hard right,
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  Speaker 1: hands almost knocked Down, nunez AND i thought in the fourth,
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  Speaker 1: round the combination, punching especially to the body By, nunyaz
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  Speaker 1: and that was a theme throughout the. FIGHT i thought
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  Speaker 1: that was good enough to get. Them and Then. DIEZ
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  Speaker 1: i thought the, circling with the combination of circling and
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  Speaker 1: activity landing good. SHOTS i gave him the. Fifth the,
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  Speaker 1: SIXTH i gave The nunez body and headwork actually hitting
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: him in the arms, too and in that round and
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: at times not all the, time BUT i did notice
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  Speaker 1: in that round enough to write it down that you
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  Speaker 1: did See diaz shelling up a little too, long and
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  Speaker 1: in that round in, Particular nuniez was getting the better
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  Speaker 1: of the exchanges and just that you know that late
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  Speaker 1: body work as. Well but in the last minute or,
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: so you, know it's not ideas didn't do. Anything he,
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: definitely you, know. Attacked he had a really nice body
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  Speaker 1: shot late in that, round last minute of that, round
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  Speaker 1: and then the seventh round came around and you, know
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  Speaker 1: just As diaz it's it's it was kind of a.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: Weird it was, like just As diaz's landing hard, shots
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: he was hit right and at the start they were talking,
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  Speaker 1: about you, know it looked like he hit his. SHOULDER
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  Speaker 1: i think it was kind of the back of the,
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: head but the glove touched the campus is what they
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: were talking. About so that was the first. Knockdown then
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  Speaker 1: the second knockdown kind of looked like a, slip but
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  Speaker 1: it was a apparently it was a clean right hand
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  Speaker 1: THAT i did see the replays and it looked pretty.
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: Good didn't really get a great angle on, it but
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  Speaker 1: it it looked good enough to you, know it was
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  Speaker 1: clean dropped. Him so that that that really opened up
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  Speaker 1: the fight ten to seven at that, point and in this,
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  Speaker 1: fight you, know down the, stretch it was just it was. Fun.
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  Speaker 1: Man these dudes were getting it. In you, KNOW i
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: give you may have Given diaz that eighth, round really
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: back and forth, round BUT i thought he closed a little.
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  Speaker 1: Stronger the ninth and tenth were fairly, entertaining but the
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  Speaker 1: eleventh and twelfth man, that LIKE i, said these guys
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  Speaker 1: were getting it in really good back and. Forth BUT
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: i think in that eleventh round The nunias took over
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  Speaker 1: in the second. Half and THEN i Gave diaz the
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  Speaker 1: twelfth round flush shots early and then kind of bloodied Up,
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  Speaker 1: nunez and so it was early with the flush, shots
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  Speaker 1: but then he closed very very, well uh Did. Diaz
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  Speaker 1: SO i gave him that, round very competitive, fight seven to,
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  Speaker 1: five eight, four maybe six to, six anywhere from six
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  Speaker 1: to six to eight four two one seventeen ONE o
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  Speaker 1: nine's which you know that's nine to, three not really
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  Speaker 1: crazy about, that but one, sixteen one, Ten LIKE i,
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  Speaker 1: SAID i could see eight to. Four but you, know
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: with all those. Knockdowns of, course So nunyez gets the big,
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  Speaker 1: win and And navarete was in the building and he
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: was looking like he you, know they're lining him up.
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  Speaker 1: Next so you, know that would make a lot of,
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  Speaker 1: sense you, know just in general, obviously and it would
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: bring out a nice. Crowd and LIKE i, said shouts
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: out to that, crowd because it looked like a really
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: good venue for a you, know for a, small smaller.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: Venue it looked like you were pretty much on top
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: of the ring and the crowd was going. Nuts so
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: that was really. COOL i did enjoy. That then you
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: had let's, see you had pro. BOX i thought THE
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: i thought the card overall was was really you, know really,
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: good at least fairly. GOOD i thought you did have
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  Speaker 1: an Upset Tayas Renee tayaz. Upset it was ninety seven
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  Speaker 1: ninety let's see, here ninety, seven ninety ninety, four ninety
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  Speaker 1: six ninety. Three NOW i. DID i thought it was
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. MORE i was more on the the
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  Speaker 1: ninety seven ninety. Two you, know of, course Like Jordan,
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  Speaker 1: white he was he was an unbeaten. PROSPECT i thought
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  Speaker 1: he he opened the first round really. Well but then you,
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  Speaker 1: Know Renee taiaz he put on like he he won
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: several rounds in a, row and in the fifth round
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  Speaker 1: he knocked him. Down and it wasn't until like later
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  Speaker 1: like the, eighth, ninth, tenth where it was more back
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  Speaker 1: and forth and you could start to give more. Rounds
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  Speaker 1: so whether that was you, KNOW i had it like
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: something like seven to, three maybe six to, four but
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: that was a sizeable UPSET i. THINK i Think taias
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: was like a plus four hundred, something so that was.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Good segawa and A, coasta A, COASTA i think it
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: was it the, seventh maybe the. SIXTH i think it
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: was the, seventh seventh. Round, yeah but A, coasta you,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: know like he was pretty much getting beat every. Round So, Suliman, Sagua,
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: sagoa he did really. Well and there was also an
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: upset with The Luis Venezuela. CARDOSO i thought that was
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: gonna be a good fight in, it and it. Was
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: AND i did think A costa would give us saga
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: what is it, again saga. WA i did think he
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: would give him a little bit more, problems let's put
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  Speaker 1: it that, way but a, big big upset and just you,
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  Speaker 1: know a fun fun car LIKE i hear a lot
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  Speaker 1: Of friday night fights or for those who, know you know,
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  Speaker 1: what he actually did have a loss in The, Yeah
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  Speaker 1: i'm looking at it right. Now that's, right because he
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: lost a long time ago AND i saw that. Fight
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: look what was it it was when oh Yeah lopez
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  Speaker 1: way way. Back, yeah quite a while, ago twenty seventeen
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  Speaker 1: to be. Exact so, yeah big win For tiez and
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  Speaker 1: oh go back to you know people people kind of
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Say friday night fights or LIKE i, Said wednesday night.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Fights remember when there Was wednesday, fights like sometime in
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: like the late, spring and all through the summer into
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: maybe into Like, september they'd have one more or. SOMETHING
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  Speaker 1: i remember they'd have like a military, one But wednesday night.
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  Speaker 1: Fights AND i remember When wednesday fights went, away it
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: was Just friday night. Fights there was some talk of
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: like are they just gonna are they gonna put the budget?
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  Speaker 1: Together and then like The wednesday night fight put that
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: in it and they're, like, nah we're not doing. That
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: and then before you knew, it baseball was ON espn On,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: wednesdays and you know that's kind of is that back?
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Now did they make? ANOTHER i think they made a
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: deal with them, anyway that's. Baseball who cares right, now
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: especially if you're, twins stand of, cares, right my, twinkie
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: he's aren't doing, uh aren't doing? So Hot. Conlin LIKE i,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Mentioned Michael conlin got The dubby handled. Duty Actually Charlie
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: edwards got to win as. Well That Jack bateson though
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  Speaker 1: he didn't he MAKE i think he messed up his,
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  Speaker 1: ankle IF i, remember he was got knocked down in
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the third and fourth or was it the fourth and the?
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Fifth let mean, yeah third and, fourth AND i, mean you,
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  Speaker 1: Know conlin really took it to. Him and you, know
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: where Does conlin go from? Here, YEAH i guess we'll find.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Out but it was a good. Performance it was pretty
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  Speaker 1: pretty well. Sided you, know didn't didn't didn't last, Long
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  Speaker 1: so we'll see Where conlin goes. There but, YEAH i
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: remember seeing. That you, know he really got hurt in that.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Fight oh and then going back to third Day, iglesias you,
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  Speaker 1: KNOW i liked WHAT i saw out of him that
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: night Against Vladimir. Shishkin you, know at the, Start shishkin was,
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  Speaker 1: LIKE i, MEAN i figured he'd get punched a lot
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: in this, fight but you, know he he definitely felt
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: it kind of looked, Like i'm, all it felt like
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  Speaker 1: LIKE i was taking the, punches but, no it kind
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: of looked, Like, okay he's he's taken a Lot it
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: was kind of a mixed bag because he was taking
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: him pretty well, early but it was, like, DAMN i
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: didn't expect him to maybe get hit this. Much So
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: IGLESIAS i thought had his best performance as a. PRO
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: i thought he had tightened up on a couple of,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: things and, uh he looked really. Good LIKE i, said
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like a a big realm for round. Thing excuse,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: me oh, man just yaana out of. Nowhere it wasn't
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: a big round for round, things you, know because it's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: just you couldn't really give hikin. Rounds but WHEN i
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: was seeing it and he was taking those, punches ALTHOUGH
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: i felt, like, man there's probably too many of them
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: this early in the, fight BUT i, thought, man if
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: he can get over the, hump maybe this, thing BECAUSE
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: i did talk about maybe the fight will go the.
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  Speaker 1: Distance ULTIMATELY a din't what was it the eighth or,
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  Speaker 1: Seventh but you, know that was a, nice really nice
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: win For, Iglesias and now you, Know i'd love for
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: him to keep stepping up, now whether that you, know
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: there's a mandatory involved and you, know would he even
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: be in line for a big fight like, THAT i don't,
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  Speaker 1: Know but either, WAY i definitely liked WHAT i saw,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Audible and you, know we talked last week about a
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: couple of couple of things WHERE i did. LIKE i
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  Speaker 1: liked his. UH i liked the way he kind of
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: slowly but surely like subtle. MOVEMENT i was wondering If
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: shishkin could really put him on the back. Foot wasn't
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: really able to do. It Oscar velda is also you,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: know went basically won very. Cleanly Also Cormick ooh That Troy,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Williamson REMEMBER i called for that Upset that was that
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: was a good. Fight Do do? Do Luis? Torres that
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: was like that was when when did that? Fight it
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: was a little bit, LATER i BELIEVE i did see
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: on boxing. Scene, yeah talking about recovery from the stoppage
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  Speaker 1: loss That Jack bates in a broken. ANGLE i got
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: back To dublin On saturday. Morning i'm just giving myself
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: some time and he goes in to talk about. That
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: he went to The Leeds hospital BECAUSE i haven't broke
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: my ankle from the fall and calmly knocked me. Down
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: he said he felt fine and clear, headed jumped straight back,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: up really realizing something was wrong with the foot or
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: ankle or something like. That so we'll see when he,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: says you, know because if he really broke his ankle,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: that you, know that's gonna take some, time so we'll
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: see how, long you, know he would be out of the.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Ring let's. See we also had what was, it uh
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: do there was an Upset Kevin. Herrera i'm looking at
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: my notes, Here Kevin herrera with the big upset over The.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: WELDON i think it Was Tom. Weldon and you, know
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: like wal didn't seem like he was in control of the,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: fight and and then he wasn't, basically so, yeah LIKE i,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Said Nunia's, DIAZ a couple of these fights turned out
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: to be a pretty good you, know made for a
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: pretty decent. Weekend i'm gonna go ahead and bring In
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: john into the. Fold HERE i see him popping on all,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: right it would be just a. Second hey what's going? On?
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: John how you going pretty?
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Good?
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Man going pretty? Good we obviously have a big fight
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: weekend coming. Up it is nice that it's On netflix
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: and they're, not, uh you, know taking more money out
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: of our. Pocket it will be interesting to, see you,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: know what kind of what kind of viewership numbers we
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: actually get. It if we actually get, them AND i
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: could see Maybe Dana white overdoing. It maybe, NO i don't. Know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: well we'll, see we'll. See i'm assuming we should get
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: good numbers just because of the names. INVOLVED a lot
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: of the, times when you have A canelo or other
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: more name, fighters it's more of an interest to casual.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Fans so all of a, sudden you may get reporters
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: that kind of mess around with boxing or combat sports in.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: General all of a sudden they'll get, involved and then
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: some of the sources can be a little bit. Better
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: but we'll. See we'll see how that. Goes BUT i am.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Excited i'm kind of excited to see how that stadium
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: is gonna look because there hasn't been a fight in
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: there just. Yet Dana white was saying that it's gonna
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: be the third largest gate of all. Time but, YEAH i,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Am i'm pretty. Excited we have a variety of things
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: to talk, about whether it comes to a New netflix
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: fight that's coming In, NOVEMBER i definitely like to get
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on that one after we get through some.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Stuff you, Know, tank a lot of people were kind of,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: like hey, man you got some unfinished, business or why
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: don't you fight chakor or, whatever and so they're not
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: too happy about The Jake paul fight just because it's, like,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: hey if you knew he was gonna Fight stevenson after
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: or something like, that and you'd be confident those fights
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: are gonna, happen then maybe people would be a little
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: bit more. Lenient but the fact that he's coming off
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: a tight, fight a lot of people wanted to see a,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: rematch and a lot of people Want. Stevenson so we'll
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: talk about that and then the you, know we'll talk
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: about some other news about like a really old fighter
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: getting back in the ring, again maybe With, mayweather so
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that that's kind of. Funky but, yeah there's some other
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: items that will just kind of breeze. By Supposedly Dana white,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: today well not. Supposedly he said in an interview that
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: ring has a big announcement coming. Up so whether that's
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: a big fight they got signed or you, know who,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: knows maybe it would be something else that has to do,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: with you, know the zoofa boxing or.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Whatever but they did they did announce, that they did
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: announce that show. TODAY i don't know if that was.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: It, OKAY i missed it then BECAUSE.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I think that now that's been. Big that's been big just,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: today SO i can fill in. THERE i think that
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: that probably was. It SO i guess The ring is
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: gonna be the branded show on his own With Max,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Kellerman Mike coppinger and another guy That i'm not familiar,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: with three three person TEAM i Started. September but then
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: they're doing it really to get right in conjunction with.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: This it's starting what in a couple of days or
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: something like, That so that's at least one. Thing and
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: they did make a big deal about it. Today So,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: chris what we've said about, that And i'm still gonna
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: say not per se against. It as long as they
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: don't tarnish The ring name with the way they do the,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: show that could be a. Strength but you know what
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: you AND i keep, saying And i'm going to keep,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: SAYING i know you are. Too, look if The zone
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: doesn't have ANY us, reach so what, yes so WHAT i,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: mean that's still where we're. At if you're going to
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: show me that The zone suddenly has SOME us subscribership,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: base that's, significant you, know all. Care but when it
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: doesn't and then you tell me it's going to be
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: on his, ZONE i can't help but shrug my shoulders and.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Say so what, yeah especially with all the money behind
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: what it could, be you. Know, YEAH i see what
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: you're saying, Now YEAH i saw, This Keith, Iadick Max, Kelmer. Coppinger, yeah,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: OKAY i see what you're. Saying, Okay so it's just
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: it's just a weekly boxing, Show.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Okay but they're gonna have it leading up, apparently, yeah
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: tomorrow or TOMORROW i think maybe even like to get
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: ready for the fight this.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Weekend, yeah try to parlay parlay it, off, which you,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: know if you're gonna launch a, show that makes a
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: lot of. Sense but like you, SAID i, mean, okay
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: like welcome Back, max BUT i don't really you, Know Coppinger's,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: coppinger BUT i don't necessarily need to listen to a
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: whole show With, coppinger you. Know but whatever it, is
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: what it. Is, yeah and that depends how they handle
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: that too on the. Show you know THAT i can
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: kind of wait reserve. Judgment but, yeah that's. GOOD i
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: keep calling it the infomercial.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Approach i'm not saying they're going to do, that but
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: if they, do you, know Then i'm, like so what,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: like but if if they're willing to be critical of
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: all kinds of, things and it's not just going to
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: be an. Infomercial, okay you, Know I'm i'm willing to,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Uh i'm willing to, listen but uh, YEAH i.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: LIKE i can listen To, max that's for. Sure and
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: maybe they'll just be, like you, know some of that
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: breaking new stuff to a compinger as. WELL i know
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: you're talking about the other guy. Too, okay so that's
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: what it. Was i'm glad that you filled me in
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: there here at least where there is some.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: POTENTIAL i, mean you, know With Max kellerman's original, background
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: now you, KNOW i think he's probably coming back to. This,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: frankly he kind of, Says i'm coming, back but, yeah
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: like there's like there's, something there was something to come back.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: For BUT i think the reality is that it probably
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: has something to. Do and it's a tough business with
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: where HIS espn career went off the, rails not necessarily
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: through any fault of, his but in recent. Years and
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: but What i'm going to say In max's, favor like
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: you know you're kind of, Saying, chris is, like you,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Know Max kellerban did start his way up just doing
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: his own boxing show on cable. Access he has historical
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: knowledge if he's, back and you, know you take some
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: of his strengths there and tied in with the historical
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: archives that The ring has access to and can obviously
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: always show past, covers, stories, pictures et. Cetera you, know
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: not that you're not going to be talking about current,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: stuff BUT i mean that that could be a good
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: basis for getting into some of the historical aspect that
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: The ring is. Involved AND i, think you, Know max
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: at least has some understanding of what a lineal champ
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: is And i've heard him say, now but you know,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: this this would be good and it probably would fit
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: with What turkey is doing to stay with. That but we'll.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: See you, Know i've Heard max say, before WHICH i
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: completely agree. With you don't define undisputed by what the alphabets,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: say because the alphabets aren't. Legitimate that's not your historical
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: basis for the term. Undisputed and, that to me as
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: a boxing, historian is. Correct and you Know i've said
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: that a. Lot so let's let's see if he. Stays
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: let's see if he stays with those kinds.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Of you, know it's such a hot topic in the last.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: YEARS i don't know if he's gonna go that, route
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: but that's a good. Example and you know what really.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Is becoming a big topic because you can.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Really you, know it's, great we're putting the belts together
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: and getting the fights and all, that and every undisputed
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: is a different undisputed, obviously or it's not because you
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: just you, know we've talked about that. Too where you
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: let a belt, go then you get it, back that's not.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Undisputed but, yeah that that's a prime example of if
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: he's willing to go that, path BECAUSE i did notice
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: down the stretch AT hbo he did get into the
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: other side of the street. Stuff lampley had that monologue
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: of THE pbc Is. Dead this was like twenty, sixteen
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: and that monologue in there that was really, silly and
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: it was, like, man you hate to see these guys
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: who have a lot of talent can bring a lot
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: to a. Broadcast AND i liked how they would have
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: a debate during the whole thing and it kind of
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: evened everything. Out it was kind of interesting at times
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: with some of the crews they, had but it did
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: down the stretch maybe it was, like you, know kind
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: of the start of where we're at now in the
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: last decade or so of like the. Infomercial like you,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: SAID i.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Think your analysis is right, On, CHRIS i felt like
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: with the fights and the, broadcast but frankly for me
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: or with the, fights but also with the. BROADCAST i
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: agree with you down the stretch OF, HBO i fully.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: AGREE i, thought, yeah it turned and they were they were,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: losing you know, what what made it great at one.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Time BUT i think you're you're getting at it right,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Too LIKE i do think that it was starting. Then
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: but this is one Thing i'm going to give boxing
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: fans credit for as opposed to other types of. Fans
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: And i've only seen this, recently BUT i do think
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: it's one of the reasons why A kellerman's, back and
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: and you know some of these others have been popping
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: up on very recent broadcasts and including they Will Saturday.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Night IS i do see boxing fans getting a little
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: bit tired of the infomercial. Broadcasting AND i think it's
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: present in other. Sports people are afraid to knock it,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: because like THE nfl is so. Powerful, SURE i feel
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: like in boxing very, recently it's only been within maybe
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: the past year that there does seem to start to
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: be a little bit of a backlash against this over
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: the top infomercial. Broadcasting And i'll just, Say lashawn McCoy
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: is the other guy on the, show so, yeah, yeah
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: that's the three that they're. Having of course familiar with,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: him But i'm not sure what Is and if he's
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: a big follower of, boxing that's fine to. ME i
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: don't know exactly What lashawn McCoy's extent is.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: THERE i wonder how many like examples that we're gonna
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: have where he's gonna use like a football, metaphor you.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Know AND i don't, like, RIGHT i don't like that
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: because that's Where i'm like really protective of. Boxing to,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: me boxing is you, know like the ultimate historical sport
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: and really in its popularity goes back farther than the other.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Sports all the metaphors used to be about boxing and
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the other. Thing SO i jealously guard. THAT i never
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: want you.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Still do that. Too you still hear it all the.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Time you, know, RIGHT i MEAN i don't like saved
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: by the final. BELL i, mean you, know WE'RE i,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: mean these are all the boxing and you, KNOW i hate.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: It heavyweight. Scrap they always, say you, KNOW i hate,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: it and they always Say Mike tyson he, said, uh
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: you get you, know and everyone messes it. Up but,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: yeah these are.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Heavyweights this is a heavyweight, brawl and you, know like
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: that's what boxing needs to protect their history like. That
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: that's an edge they have ON M M a and
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: other sports if there's any edge. Left AND i hate.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: That when then a boxing commentator will start comparing to
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: basketball or, Football i'm, like we're we're. Boxing we. Don't
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: we don't do. That they all, compare.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: You, know that is Too, YEAH i can already hear
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: you know him talking ABOUT i remember looking at the
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: linebacker and this reminds.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Me of you, know don't want don't want them doing.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: That don't want them.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: He made a joke, about you, know to, me this
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: guy reminds me of Like Jack lambert or somebody that
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: would wear a big neck pad or. Whatever you. Know
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: if he kind of did it lighthearted like, that that
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: would be. Cool but, yeah IT'S i don't. KNOW i
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: hate to like judge anybody BEFORE i hear him, talk,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: right you, know BUT i WOULD i have a couple
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: of guesses of what the angles he's gonna take but we'll,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: see we'll. See maybe he'll surprise. This you never, know,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Right so we haven't talked a little, bit just trying
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to get the last of, summer especially with this cold
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: front that came in a little while. Ago it's, like, whoa, whoa,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: whoa what's this all. About Last, Thursday john was.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Cold, okay we didn't quite In West, Virginia New jersey
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: have where his, cold but it had been so hot
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: In West virginia And New, jersey especially In West virginia
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: THAT i was, like, hey give me the seventy two
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: degree whether, Right, YEAH i was ready for. It seventy
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Five it was like, that like last, day got down
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: The Jersey, shore And i'm thinking of doing a few
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: more just because of that weather where you, know you
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: like some, heat but it had just gotten so hot right,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: that you, Know i've been kind of enjoying. It but
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: it definitely got those last few days Of, august and
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: then it's continued to now started started cooling.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Off. Yeah it's it's funny because In, minnesota either it's
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Late august or Early, september there's always like a little
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: scare when it comes to the temperature And you'll be
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: looking at your phone at like, midnight going it's what,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: temperature you, know and then it goes away and you,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: know like we got eighties coming up here, soon and
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: you know it's seventies. Again but it was it was
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: actually a. Scare like Last, thursday the wind picked. Up
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: it was like forty mile an hour gusts And i'm
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: walking home not knowing, this you, know and it was.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Cold it was like forty eight.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Degrees, yeah fifties kind of that for, me it was.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: FIFTY i went out for a run yesterday. Morning it
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: was fifty WHEN i. Started and at this time of,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: year THAT'S i don't want to go any lower lower.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Exactly this is about the LOW i, want even even
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: earlier at the middle of. Night, yeah the feels like
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: was really.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: CRAZY i was, like oh my, GOSH i didn't realize,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: that but now it's it's gonna jump. Up and it
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: looks Like i've seen like the two week temperature, model
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and we got some eighties coming in twenty of, seventies
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: so we've been kind of. Spoiled In, September we've had
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: like summer, septembers SO i think that's part of it,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Too it's like the last three or Four septembers have been.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Gorgeous so when all of a sudden you see, Fifties you're, like,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: well what the hell is?
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: This you, know now you did get used to that
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: being a nice weather like summer time.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Months, yeah that's kind of what it's. Been So i've
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: been swimming deep Into september and even Early, october which
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: is like never WHEN i was a kid had to
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: ever do. That so that that you, know it is
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: getting warm again. Though but you, know there was some
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: fights in the last little, bit nothing to write home,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: about per. SE i did enjoy The NOONS ds. Fight
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: people calling it The fight of The year type. STUFF
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: i thought that was, like, yeah there hasn't been that many,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: fights has, there because, uh you're talking about that one
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: as A fight of the year. CANDIDATE i don't know about.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: That BUT.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I think it's just really been. BAD i just think
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: it's really been. BARREN i mean, really, yeah even the
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: year has just been really barren.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Overall, yeah, yeah. Exactly and at least they you, know
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: the first like five months it was kind of like
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: hurry up and, wait like you'd have some really good
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: stuff and then, uh and then some you, know but
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: now it's uh AND i remember the last time he,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: TALKED i was, like, hey there's four cards on his
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: own this, weekend you.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Know and now, right we did have that one. Streak
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: we did have that one streak where everything was like
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: back to. Back, yeah, YEAH i mean the fights didn't
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: maybe play out as good as we'd hope some of.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Them there was significant. Action there was significant action For.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Aroo had a nice. Card there was a nice little.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Upset it's kind of gave The friday night fights vibe to.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: It And IGLACIAS i thought looked good Against sin that.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: WAS i did make note of that Because sheshkin's a good,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: fighter and you, know A glaciers you're looking at a
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: lot of. Potential and then that was one of those
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: ones like the way you handled, them that that's that's
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: significant THAT i did did make a little mental note
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: of mental note of that.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: One, yeah, yeah we're not.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Even getting too many we haven't gotten too many fights
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: even like that where.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly like a real test or, whatever the.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Real test where you're making note like boxing being an
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: all year round. Spot of course it's unlike the other
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: sports like, That BUT i just feel like this year
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: for most, periods and it worries me greatly BECAUSE i
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: do think it's a permanent. Trend, frankly the way we
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: stand right, now unless you yea change that you, know
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: you've you've had these barren periods where you're really liking
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: you can you can feel it even with the hardcore
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: fans and the commentators and the followers, like, hey there's
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: there's nothing. Here there's nothing, here you, know there's really
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: nothing going.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: On, yeah buddy of, mine maybe every couple of weeks
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: we'll talk or, whatever so what's coming. On i'm like this,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: fight that, Fight but you, KNOW i even was not
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: pumped about, it you, Know and sometimes it's Like i'll be,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: honest like sometimes it'll be Till monday or something to
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: WHERE i watch the damn.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Fight, yeah that's that's WHAT i feel. LIKE i wouldn't
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: even care about it. Live there's been nothing. COMPELLING i
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: agree one hundred. Percent there's been nothing a lot of
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: weeks this, year unlike even some recent. Years AND i
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: think we want this to not be a trend because
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: that's probably where we're, trending where right there's there's not
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: stuff that even makes shoot want to go out of
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: your way to watch it. Live you certainly don't want
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: to sit through these cards that that go on add
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: nausea with a bunch of fights that are that are
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: just not. Competitive. Yeah so there's been.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of, weeks a lot of
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: week college football to watch, here you, know.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: And especially let's say that's just talking in. General if
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: you then further boil it down TO us, SENSIBILITIES i,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: mean we're just going, massive massive gaps of yeah time with,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: nothing and so you know what we're. Getting that's that's
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Really there's there's a few angles that make this fight
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: this week really, big, uh and a lot of them
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: are on out of the ring, factors but you know
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: that that's one of. Them, like you, know this is
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: A us sensibilities, fight even though it's an unusual, matchup
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: it's STILL us sensibilities With, canelos you BEING us based
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of time and and living there a lot
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: of the, time and and just you know his name
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: in THE, us and Then crawford being An american you
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: know From, Omaha nebraska who's had a lot OF hbo
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: exposure and AN espn exposure and he's still. Undefeated so you,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: know this is A us sensibilities.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Fight, yeah and even, uh even from that Match froum
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: design Card. NUNIAS i Thought nunyas would handle this fairly
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: cleanly and he really had to struggle with that, fight
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: and they had him And navarette at the end of
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: it in the in the, ring AND i think that'd be,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: good good fight or. Whatever but, nothing you, know nothing
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: crazy or. Whatever it was a small, crowd but they
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: were into. It but, yeah, overall, uh you, know it's
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: it's just it's just kind of. Weird, uh where we're,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: at where we're, at we will talk a little bit
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: of news and all, that but why don't we get
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: into This canelo uh bud card On? Netflix LIKE i,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: said in the, stadium really interested to see how that's gonna.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Look and you, know the ticket sales gate, wise they
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: say it's doing good and all, that BUT i do
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: kind of wonder exactly how it's gonna be aligned and
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: how it's gonna. Look but and Then billy And Martinez Lester,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: MARTINEZ i do like that as a co. Feature there
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: are some other fights on the card where you're, like,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: yeah this seems kind of run of the. Mill it'sype boxing.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Stuff that we've, seen you, know far too, often and
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: that's not even just. Lately that's the you, know since
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: the two thousands kicked, in you, know some of those
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: other cards where you're, like, yeah these are just guys
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: that they're gonna knock this guy out or beat him,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: easily and you, know that type of. Thing but here
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: we are, now you, know we're, close you, know talking About,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: crawford you, know will the weight be an? Issue he
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: is jumping, up didn't didn't look great at fifty. Four
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: some of that was the style he was. Fighting, uh you,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: know Madra mov definitely fought a certain, way but didn't
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: like stand way, out that's for. Sure and even when
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: he WAS i don't, know it's not like he had
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of energy down the stretch where he's, like
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: this is a tight, FIGHT i better really step it.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Up but the style Of canelo in the work rate is,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: low generally, speaking so that does Help crawford a. Lot
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: the last time we saw a fight like this Was Jermeal,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: charlow who many of us thought he probably maybe he
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: wouldn't win or, anything but he wouldn't necessarily try to
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: just survive for twelve rounds. Either, now people have sworn
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: up and down That Bud crawford would never do. That
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have to find out if that's, true, obviously
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: but we've talked about it since this fight got, made
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: and we've Seen canelo on the down, slide not, majorly
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: but it's significant enough to bring it. Up and the
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: odds are telling you that. TOO i, MEAN i do
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: have to, say a couple months, ago when it was
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: being talked, ABOUT i would have thought that for a
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Decision crawford, DECISION i could have got plus three hundred
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: plus three fifty plus. FOUR i, really right now it's
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: like two twenty and that that's, good but not as
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: good AS i thought And. CANELO i can still get
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: a plus one twenty For canelo by. Decision it's, like,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: WELL i already got that beat, end as you know,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: obviously you, know Because i'm taking that like the odds are,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: shocking AND i said, it you, know a month or two.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Ago that's to me competitive. Wise doesn't, mean of, course
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: that it necessarily plays out, competitively but that's SOMETHING i
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: didn't think we were going to get when we got this.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: MATCHUP i, MEAN i couldn't believe it this, morning you,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Know Andre. Afkings crawford's. DOWN i Mean cadello's down to
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: a minus one sixty five favorite, TODAY i mean one.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Sixth like that's unheard of with him, barely you, know it's.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable and this kind of a weight, situation it's just like. Unprecedented,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: now you, Know cadello's volumes dropped, off but so Has.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Crawford's he's you, know now he's gonna be quicker and
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: from being from a lighter, weight he'll have a little more.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Volume but he's the older. FIGHTER i think people are forgetting.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: That that's a good.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: POINT i think that's really big in this fight. TOO
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: i mean he's going to be thirty eight in a
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: few days after, year but this, MONTH i, think and you,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Know canelo's the. Younger you, Know cadello is showing some,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: deterioration but he's the younger, guy. Right that's what doesn't
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: fit with a lot of these situations that that people
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: are bringing. Up that's where you do almost not. ALMOST i,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: mean if you're if you're trying to make your case For,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: crawford you're going back To Canelo mayweather and saying, like,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: well that was an Old mayweather who outboxed the Young.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: CANELO i, mean if you're going to try to make
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: The crawford case because That's mayweather, FIGHTING i still just
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: go by your original eight BECAUSE i think in these
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: types of scenarios is really when that analysis is even
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: the most. Effective, so like you, Know mayweather was fighting
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: in the old because that fight was like one fifty.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: One to, me he's fighting, old just into the middleweight
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: limit Against, canelo and you, know of Course canalo had
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: to make that catch. Weight so even if you want
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: to say it's an over the it was an over
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: the weight like they would do more in the old. Days,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: yeah you had eight divisions and that's all you. Needed
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: it would like an over the weight welter weight. Fight
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: but still that's a that's a full, over a full
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: weight class up For mayweather when he fought, him so
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: and he was the older. Fighter so if you're trying
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: to make your case For, crawford that's what you're trying
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: to go. With but to, me you, know you, Know
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: crawford And mayweather aren't exactly the same type of. FIGHTERS i,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: mean you, Know crawford's not as elusive As. Mayweather ye
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: didn't have the, resume didn't quite have doesn't have the,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: resume didn't quite have the amateur resume. Either you, know
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: that's the, thing but that's if you're, making if you're
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: trying to really make That crawford. Case i've seen some
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: people throw Out Leonard. Hagler to, me that's not. Comparable
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: hagler was the older that was just a one traditional
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: weight class. Jump Now, leonard it's amazing how he did
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: with the. Layoff, yes that was. Amazing that part was all,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: amazing but that was the. Layoff LIKE i, Mean leonard
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: was going up one full, class but you, know one,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: thing one full original, class but one thing that they
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: did more back, then AND i think you should still see,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: now but you. Don't those guys used to fight over the,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: weight fights out of their weight class on the way,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Up Like leonard had Decision Marcus. Heraldo And i'm not
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: saying that should have had a bearing on him Fighting,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: hagler but like see the difference from, today like he
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: just thought to he just fought a middleweight like his
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: for a fight on his way, up and you, know
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Like hearns used to do that a. Lot of, Course
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: hearns had a bmuch bigger, structure but a lot of
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of old time, fighters you, know before forty
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: years ago or. So that was. Comment duran used to do.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: THAT i, mean, yeah we're not talking one or two
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: pounds over like a sizeable.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Amount they would like fight a guy even from another
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: weight class sometimes in, between you, know bigger.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Fight did him some, good you, KNOW i think.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: So so, Like but that doesn't mean anybody thought, like,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: oh just Because leonard had Fought, heraldo he's had the,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: layoff he's gonna be able to Handle. Hagler But hagler was,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: older he'd come, off you, know a war With mugabe
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: really an underrated, war, underrated tough fight With, rodman and
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: he had the war With. Hearns and there were credible
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: reports before the. FIGHT i think this still probably is the.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Case BUT i was trying to find the old article on.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: IT i have a little trouble finding, it but it
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: definitely existed pre Fight Hagler leonard incredible news. SOURCES i
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: mean there were you, know productions Of hagler's birth certificate
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: that he was five years. Older this is before the fight,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: even you, know and if you look at HIS aau,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: career there was tournaments he was claiming he won he
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: would have had to been like national. Tournaments he would
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: have had to have been sixteen when he won, him
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't really match up with how old he
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: was saying he was. Anyway but my point there IS
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: i don't think that one's, comparable BUT i think people
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: that want to pull out The Mayweather canel, oh, yeah
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: that's probably more relevant to your case because that was
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: an Old mayweather still doing that and you, know fighting
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: more than one weight one original eight weight. Class you
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Consider mayweather a lightweight in the original. EIGHT i mean
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: he was fighting over the welterweight limit when he Beat.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Hello so it's right because it was one, right so
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: was His canelo's team put it out to the, Media
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: i'd fight him at This it's, like shouldn't have done,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: that you, know, right right, exactly because that's where you're
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: going to.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Fight you. Know now in this, Fight canelo doesn't have
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: to he doesn't have to cut any, weight and that
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: was like a. Factor but he is, old ye for a,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: while but he's. Older but still you, know WHEN i
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: look at original so so WHEN i break down this
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: fight using the traditional method THAT i always, use so you, Know,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Crawford i'm looking at as a. Lightweight, canelo you, know
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: he came up even. Young you, know he was even
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: younger than, that probably some lower, weights BUT i really
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: look like he's like twenty years. Old he's already one
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty four pound. Guy so you, know at,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: lights he's over the weight welter weight really is a. Middleweight,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: yeah so again more than, one more than one full
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: original eight weight class bigger Than. Crawford, yeah so that's
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: still applying here because so now we're fighting at one
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: hundred and sixty eight. Pounds if we look at the original,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: eight that's either like an over a way over the
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: weight middleweight bout or you, know light heavies at a catch.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Weight that's like that's like way out of that's like
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: way out of Where crawford started.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Out like yeah with an iron chin.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Too right, Now crawford's, right both guys never been officially.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Down but that's the thing, too Cade. Cadell you, Know
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: crawford doesn't fight a Guy canello never been, down so
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: he can't you, know he's coming, up he's got to
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: be obviously looking. DECISION i mean there's you, know he
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: can't even really be hurting. Him but that's a that's a,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: huge huge problem for. It but it's like a you,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: know it's like a light a lightweight now fighting at light.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Heavy you, know that's really getting out there is In
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: canelo like maybe being a small middleweight, originally now he's
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: a light. Heavy so this is this is a fight
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: where the weight. Matters you. KNOW i always say there's
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: most of the fights people are retaining the weight matters
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: where it doesn't, matter and that's What i'm always, Saying,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: like but this is one of the ones for me
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: that fights twenty sell that stuff, like oh he's moving
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: up a weight. Class he went from one eighteen to
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: one twenty two or one twenty two to one twenty.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: SIX i, mean come, ON i. DON'T i don't analyze
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: that as moving up a weight. CLASS i go with
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: the original. One so AND i think it works much better,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: then you, know when it, matters like so here, anyway
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: you really analyze it on the original, Classes crawford's going
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: up more more than one full. Class uh, Yeah and
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: that's that's a, problem and that that's as we get
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: here days from the, FIGHT i have settled in with.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: That just to, me that's got.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: To be a.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Problem that figure that's got to be a problem For.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Crawford So i'm just KINDA.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I did let my mind water wander for a, while you,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Know but now you said that we're, here it's still like,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: yeah but you, know, right so.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: You, know canel of the volumes? Dropped BUT i guess
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: the WAY i See and by no means DO i
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Mean crawford as a. FIGHT i, mean this is the
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: good part about the good part of this fight to
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: me is it's not an. EXHIBITION i don't like the exhibition.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Stuff so at least it's a real, fight even if
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: there's a weight class, discrepancy and it's legitimately two of
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: the the best fighters of this, generation two guys that
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: are going to go down as all time. Greats i'll
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: say it as a story Because crawford has covered the
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: top of two of the original weight, classes lightweight and welter,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: weight and now he's above. That only the real greats
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: pull that. Off and you, know original weight. Classes tough
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: battles With, glombkin but he still did end up being
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: the guy at won sixty, middleweight a traditional. Division you,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: know then he's gotten wins THAT i, mean he knocked
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Out covial of at light. Heavyweight, yeah he lost a
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: decision To, bivol who's a top light Heavy but one
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: thing you AND i agree, On, chris and it is
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: important when we're looking at a fight like, this like
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: because you AND i, agree and you get these people
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: that are fans Of bivol or Hate, canelo and they
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: they don't want to put it this, Way, LIKE i,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Mean canelo didn't get beat up By. Bivoll it wasn't
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: like some like embarrassing domination or something like, that, right
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: just kind of, like this guy's not doing much to.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Me and you, know he probably really was, thinking, hey
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: this guy's not doing much to me and he should
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: have hustled more at the. End but he, Did, yeah
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: exactly that that's what He that wasn't enough sense of.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Urgency i'll criticize for, that but it wasn't dominated or
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: beat up or. Anything it wasn't. Her so you know
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: What i'm saying, IS i, mean this is what up
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: light heavyweight. Guys so he's, Competitive he's already competitive at
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: light Heavy he's shown. That now you, Know crawford's got
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: to find a way to beat. Him i'm shocked at the,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: odds but that's making it good because it's not an.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: Exhibition and, then even THOUGH i don't know if it
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: comes out as a particularly entertaining, fight either way it,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: goes we're going to go in with a competitive fight
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: on the, odds that just can't be. ARGUED i, mean
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: the odds, makers they have to account for their. Money
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: the people betting have to count for their. Money so
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: no matter what you want to, believe, like, hey it's,
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: a it's. A as of, Today canello is only a
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: minus one sixty five, favorite even if it comes out
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: to dominate. HIM i never thought we'd be going in like,
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: This so that to me is the bonus That Dana
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: white And turkey Al sheet got in this fight is,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: LIKE i, mean they probably didn't even think that one
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: they were.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Gonna, YEAH i don't think.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Many so that's the huge bonus they got. Here The
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: netflix was the right way to. Go that's huge. Me
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: two big disappointments out of the RING i see going
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: in is, one as you, said, correctly the undercard for
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: this being such a big opportunity when these guys are
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: already thrown around that much. Money what a missed opportunity
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: in THE us to really have a not a very
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: good undercard at, all and not really anybody you're even
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: targeting at like future, stardom which is a, mistake like
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: this would be the time to not only have people
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: you think could be future, stars but haven't fighting each
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: other on the, undercard.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Right and the other thing is this.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Is just for, me like a. FEELING i don't have
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: data on, it but as we're less than a week
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: before this, FIGHT i love that it's On. NETFLIX i
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: want to see what number it, does no matter WHAT
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: i think that's critical for. Boxing But i'm not feeling
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: any real non boxing fan traction coming in here less
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: than a week before the, Fight So i'm shifting my
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: expectations a little. Bit this is almost becoming more to,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: me like we we had a great fight from the
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: days OF hbo putting great fights on REGULAR hbo with
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: a subscribership on, steroids like instead of fifty, million you
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: know you're going over one hundred million that's available to.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: You SO i had hoped when the fight was signed
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: that we'd be getting all kinds of casual viewership and
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: numbers which they can measure on, streaming just factual numbers
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: that we don't. Get i'm lower to my expectations a little.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Bit my main hope there, is like you said at The,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: open you, know Just canelo has been the boxing is
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: one constant star over this. Era and then you Know
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: crawford us. Sensibility he's an undefeated guy who's had some,
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: exposure very good side that maybe somehow that permeates. Out
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: but and you, Know netflix has done really good job
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: with their. Production we all seem to agree on. That, yeah,
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: yeah just the way it, looks not even saying this
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: thing a, commentary but just the way it. Looks it's
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: something about it's looked real. Good so we're going to have,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: THAT i. HOPE i just think it's critical for boxing
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: to get as much as popular actually For chris because
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: it fits what you're talking about news, items and for
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: me it ties in in a weird way, THOUGH i
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: feel like it's a big detriment and it was a
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: little disappointing to me because it made me feel Like
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: netflix isn't looking at the future of boxing as something constant,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: thing but right more one. Off and this is What
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: i'm getting at is because they did sign up and
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: already said we're going With, Jake paul And tank as
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: an exhibition.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: And i'm like, this this is not part of any
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: game plan for the.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Sport this is like one offs where we get we
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: think we can get an adequate number of subscriber viewership to.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Justify BUT i, like it's not like fitting into some
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: overall plan LIKE i would have, hoped or they're taking
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: a look at maybe getting into the sport because you're
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: kind of having a joke fight Like Jake paul And,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: tank and when it's an, EXHIBITION i feel comfortable calling It,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: joe you, know like, yeah that to me is like
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: you could you could criticize me if you, will but
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: like boxing is the toughest, sport the most. Dangerous like
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: if for, me if you're gonna Have Tank davis Fight Jake,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: PAUL i understand the weight discrepancy and. Everything you find
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: a way to make it a real fight and start tuned,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: in because then they're gonna, Say.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Tanks five to.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Five, yea he knock this guy, out AND i want
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: to see shut up Right, Yeah and people that Hate
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: tank are gonna be the, opposite like can this Can
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: paul just because he's way bigger than this.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Game he's got so much size on, him you, know.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Him Knocked tank. OUT i want to see tank it knocked.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Out but you don't have that with an.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Exhibition, yeah you know that fact they a lot of
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: people didn't know The May Whether paul a couple of
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: years back was an, exhibition, right so they bought the
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: and they felt like they got, jipped you, know right
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: and On. Netflix but still you, know, YEAH i Say i'm.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: SAYING i mean it was bad enough with The, Jake
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: paul And pyson with different rules and, everything and, like,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: look it was ended up being a dreadful outcome in
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: terms still.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Doesn't even know what what you, know they don't have
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: a commission that's they're going to get it over the.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Line but like to your, point, yeah we don't even
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: know yet what what the rules are or anything like,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: that and you just don't want it vague like. That
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: it just makes it seem silly and it disgreds it right,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: away you, know.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Right because you, know even though people of course would
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: still criticize. It you, know when you think about The waits,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: fighters even Though tank's only five to, five so he've
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: been a huge. Disadvantage but in that, sense but still
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: at The waits fighters walk around and and stuff like,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: that you could just Have tank not cut any weight
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: like and maybe he maybe he comes in at you,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: know one seventy or. Something, yeah, yeah, yeah you, know
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Make Jake paul, well he probably doesn't want to do
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: this at this. Point that's probably part of the. Problem
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: but if you made him cut back down to one
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: ninety or.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Something yeah, yeah, right, yeah, sure it's still.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Not in regular weight, classes but. WHATEVER i, mean you
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: could sell it as a real. Fight you sell it
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: as a real, fight even if people are going to criticize.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: It but the exhibition, thing BUT i think it ties
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: in for this week because you, know it showed to
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: me That netflix now they're not necessarily going with a
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: plan for the sport as a whole right, now even
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: with this big event This.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Saturday, yeah that's exactly WHAT i, Thought john WHEN i
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: heard that. Announcement and you, know when we And i've
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: also gotten some backlash because what we've, said Oh canelo And,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: usick but those two are at completely different stages of
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: their career and more accomplished than. Ten. Right tank still
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: has some things to figure out With, lamont and we
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: need to see A stevenson, fight you, Know and LIKE i,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: SAID i think people could swallowed this thing better and
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: at least chew on it if they knew it's gonna lead,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: someplace you, know, Right but we just don't. Know it
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: seems to me this seems like not only what you're
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: saying With, netflix but also. Him he is in retirement.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Mode he does mean that he doesn't have much time
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: left in this. Sport that's what it seems like to.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Me and then to make it, worse we've seen him
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: against tall opponents take his, time you, know and it
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: could be really. Slow maybe he actually never does get to,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: him you, know and then and then it makes it
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: look even, worse you, know where you're, like, dude he
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: didn't even hit him with a good, shot you. Know
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: so there's a lot of like variables where you're just
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: like man it and rather than Having canelo where at
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: least the same size can you, know still Smaller, canelo
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: but not really you, know like size, wise he's a
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: lot closer and then he would he has a better
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: chance of knocking them. Out and it's also a better
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: chance of having a real, fight not an exhibition or
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: even like we said what it was, sick you, know
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: like we understood the, gimmick but this is a perfect
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: time to cash them. Out but if it's an, exhibition
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: there's no, winner.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Exactly Like Jake paul like right, now look whatever you
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: think of him at this, Stage like you, Know chaves
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: was a, junior was a legitimate. Fighter he decisioned. Them you.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Know the one Thing i'm just gonna say In Jake
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: paul's favor is we have to be a little bit.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Fair is even as fade As chavas junior was and
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: is at this, point he's had. Troubles if some guy
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: whose name Wasn't Jake paul decisioned, him you still would
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: have paid some, Attention, like let's be, fair you would
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: have if it's some up and coming guy highlights or, something, yeah,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: highlights you at least, say, Oh i'm gonna watch this.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Guy so like you're, saying it's the perfect time to
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Have Jake paul out in a legit so to, speak
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: fight like with The, yeah really he.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Was trying to make a fight with a j For christ's.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: Things, yeah he wants to cash, out you, know right,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: Exactly so, YEAH i mean this would be the time
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: to you, know, Now cadello apparently could have had it
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: and went in this. Direction we Have saturday, instead and,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: yeah arguably might have been a. Mistake but the Thing
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: canlo is getting now is the odds are. Close so
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: now all of a, sudden he's in this situation where
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: he's going to be adding to his legacy because no
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: doubt going. IN i, mean the odds are saying there's
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: doubt going. In none of us expected that when this got,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Signed so it's it's kind of played out in that
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: sense completely. Differently but you, know The Jake paul, thing you,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: know he could have been a hero to a lot
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: of people that are sick Of Jake paul by knocking him,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: out even if it's people.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Keep, saying you want this guy on the. Sport, okay
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: we'll take.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: His ass out there and take his ass. Out but
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: that and then you, Know usik a guy who you
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: know has been you, know by all, accounts pretty much
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: a credit to the. Sport you, know he's. Proved you,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: know he's going to go down with as a great.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Fighter you, know like we, said don't get carried away
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: and necessary with him in the all time heavyweight top.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Ten but like he quote unquote would deserve another. Payday
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: it's gonna easy if he'd be the guy that knocks Out,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: jacob and he started to understand it because before The dubois,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: rematch he was, saying give Me, jacob AND i don't
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: blame the guy one. BET i, mean, hey he's got
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: the heavyweight. Title he's got the lineal heavyweight. Title you,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: can as comical as it, is you could sell A
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Jake paul lineal heavyweight title. Shot, YES i could sell.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: That you could give me the ring show and some
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: other stuff and, Like i'll sell, that you, know like you,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: know you can't sell.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: That just something a lot of people that would all
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: of a sudden not know who thinking they would know
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: him and be, like, hey this guy's got a FUNNY
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: i like this. Guy you. Know that's WHAT i.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: Figure even if he's near the, end, Right, yeah and
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: even if he to, retire at least his legacy would
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: be more known because people know him from that.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: FIGHT i appreciate. It, yeah you're, right.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Casuals who didn't know who the guy. WAS i could
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: see some win win type situations they're using The Jake paul,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: thing BUT i don't see it with this Tank Jake
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: paul exhibition.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Thing it's just the timing of it is just like
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: what like and like you, said it, does it does
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: then imply What netflix is about when it comes to.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: This so let's, say you, Know crawford does have. REACH
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: i will say that he does have but you, know
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: pretty much everybody That canelo fights has longer runs than.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: Him so that's not like a big advantage per se
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: because he's used to. It but do you see it
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: eight to four or anything like. That do you see
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: it competitive like that or do you just see kind
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: of ten? Two crawford's just, like hey, MAN i, tried
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: and he goes in The charlow. Mode. Yeah one thing
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: even though you Were.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: Crawford and that's not Ripping Charlo. Crawford BUT i think
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: what you got to watch that's a really good point
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: is While crawford's a more versatile boxer Than Jamel, charlo
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: And Jamel charlo had started knocking guys out and relying on.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: That you, Know i've watched the guy's whole career and
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: you know you have to the dude was just a jab.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Boxer, YES i mean all the way that.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: Way so to the point where he did you, know
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: been to the to the top of the one hundred
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: and fifty four pound division like you, know or a
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: contender like you know that that was the way he
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: fought for a long, time not a short amount of.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Time oh.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah What i'm saying is even though he hadn't been doing.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: It AND I i said this about that, fight And
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: charlo himself whenever you've heard a little bit about it
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: seems to say. Too and this is the WAY i
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: think it played, out like you, Know and somebody was
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: saying that today a boxer was, saying AND i forget which,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: one but but you, KNOW i thought that when we
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: were breaking down that, fight like you, know there was
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: something in there Where Jamel, charlo who's six feet tall,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: too you, know he's about six feet he's right like you,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: Know but but he got in there and, SAID i
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: can't beat this dude being the Old Jamel charlo boxer
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: right like you, know because he wasn't he wasn't.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: You jab and try to win the.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Round, yeah that's What i'm saying. There that's to, Me
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: i'm worry For, Crawford like he's in there With canal
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: and he's, LIKE i can't do that with this. Guy
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: AND i KNOW i, can't WHICH i said before the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: fight was gonna was a big problem For.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Jamel, yeah was, like.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Even though he'd been become more of a puncher and
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: was knocking people, out at one fifty, four he knows
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: he's not hurting or drop or knocking Out Canelo. Alvarez
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: so that style was out the. WINDOW i think that's
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: what a lot of people didn't get about that, Fight
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: like that was out the window before the fight, Started,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: Right he's Not he's not fighting that way With, canelo
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: and you're gonna win the. Fight SO i think he
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: was in there and, said, like MY i CAN'T i
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: can't beat this guy being the Old jamal Jab in.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Trail that's not gonna work. Either SO i got to.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: SURVIVE i got to survive for twelve rounds and he got. Dropped,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: now the thing that's a possible problem For crawford two
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: is that you, know in these recent fight but, like
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: look in his recent, Fights canelo has dropped all these
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: opponents except For, skull And skull ran for his, life
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: RIGHT i am in the camp That, no that Wasn't
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: canelo not cutting off the. Ring that was a dude
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: running for his.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: Life, yeah for, sure.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: ME i mean that wasn't.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Boxing he's landing more punches on him because he hung around,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: more you, know, right, yeah so, Exactly so like you,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: know that's to me WHERE i See crawford to be
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: having some trouble, too is?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: That, like SO i was looking.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Then record he's a slow Starter. Crawford well Think crawford Against. Porter,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: yeah he needed to be, told, hey, dude you're. Down
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: you need knock, that you.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Know and if he wasn't able to hurt him, late
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: he might have, lot you. KNOW i, mean of course
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: he did do, It but So i'm, thinking, like that's
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: a little bit of trouble THAT i think people are.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Missing is? That so you, know canelis Still he's still
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: Dropped Jermel, charlow who's got a great, chint even though
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: he's moving. Up he Dropped, mongiya who's. Big he Dropped,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: berlanga who's. Big he didn't drop, school but school was
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: running for his. Life so What i'm saying, though that's
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: When crawford does going to know. That like the other,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: THING i looked at both of their, opponents and this
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: to me is a warning sign For crawford. TOO i
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: looked AND i, said, well who's the last Guy canelo's
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: fought basically as short As, prawford and you've got to
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: go back to Like Emir khan and Like Liam, smith
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: and you Know con got knocked cold And Liam. Smith
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: you know He canelo got to him after a while,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: Too And i'm like that could be now, again not
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: Saying crawford's not much better than those guys he, is but, yes,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: yes but still when you're getting it into the physical,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: dynamics like it's not The canelos tall for a light
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: heavyweight or one hundred and sixty eight pound, guy but
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: you look at how big the guys he's been fighting have, been, Right,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: yes like even A Caleb plant who's big in kin
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: box and A Billy Joe saunders who's got solid size
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: and can. Box he got to those. Guys, Yes and
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: you know that that's WHERE i, think as this is
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: getting close to, ME i Think crawford's in trouble Unless
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: canelo's volume is just so damn low that you Know
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: crawford's able to hang around there because he's got a good.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Chin BUT i would think it's likely to me That
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: canelo is going to hurt him before the twelve is.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: Over then you, Know i've said it a lot you
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: agree to, me the biggest drop off In canelo in this.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: Decline they talk about foot speed and all this, stuff not.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: That for, me it's it's the he was a really
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: good combination puncher and that that's been that's been. GONE
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: i mean the, punching the follow up that's been. Missing so,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: that to me Is crawford's best chance of hanging around
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: is if that's just gone From canalo and he can't
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: even Finish crawford like. That BUT i think there's good
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: chance he's gonna. Hurt canlo is going to hurt him
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: before the end of the Twelve And i'm, like you,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: know and When bud gets, hurt he generally is one
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: of those guys that wants to hurt you back, right
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: will he open?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Up? Uh you, KNOW.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: I got to say one other, thing because there IS
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: i said about The Mayweather canelo. Fight there is one
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: other fight that's got, PEOPLE i think Thinking crawford's got a,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: chance and this is THE x factor fight that maybe
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: there is a big argument in his, favor but it
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: depends and that's you. Know spence was a real good sized,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: welterweight strong for the, weight good punching power And crawford
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: completely demolished. Him but THE x factor in that, fight
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: it was a tremendous performance By. Crawford you don't want
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: to take that away from. Him But, spence probably, WISELY i,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: think has not fought since he had the accident. Before you,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: know that's the big. Mystery what you, Know like you
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: AND i, say on one, Hand spence he Stopped, ugas
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: who's a tough, fighter and that was after the. Accident you,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: know he Dominated Danny, garcia but still.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: What what What spence was? That yeah there With.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: Crawford but if you want to make The crawford, argument
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: let's just say let's say That spence had come almost
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: all the way And spence has a good jeb, too you, know,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: Right let's say he and He's South. Paul let's say
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: he had you, know no call is not but difficult to.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Fight you.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: Know let's say That spence was almost all the way
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: back In crawford did that to, him he just.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: Did.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Right then you're, thinking then you're, saying, well he
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: but this is the. Problem he's he's going. Up this
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: is WHERE i still do then get to it's just a.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Problem but now he's fighting in original eight weight classes
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: more than one weight class higher than that because he's
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: not Fighting canelo at. Middleweight he's fighting about one hundred
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: and sixty eight, pounds so even in original, classes he's
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: over a full weight. Class and that's What AND i
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: just keep getting back to with him being the older,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: fighter it doesn't compute for. Me then him winning just.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: Has fot guys with handspeed, too you, know in, skill
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: different types of skill and all. That so, YEAH i don't.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: Know it's it's funny because a, while LIKE i, SAID
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: i let my mind wander AND i was coming up
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: with ways he could do, it and of course nothing's,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: impossible we see the. Odds but, yeah fight, Week i'm
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: just more and more pushing pushing, away you. Know and
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: right in, THAT i mean that minu what do you
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: say minus one sixty one or was it actually a shot?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: Today down to minus one sixty five? Today that is
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: very rare With. Canelo.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Yep maybe if you look At codo went the distance
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: With canal that, Middleweight yeah, yeah maybe you, know he
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: was competitive, fresh he wasn't, out it wasn't, fresh and
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: he was competitive in the. Fight canal clearly won to,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: me but he was. Competitive it was.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Competitive it was a good.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Fight, Competitive so you, know, again If i'm A crawford,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: backer you know there's MOMENTS i could pull, out BUT
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: i still get to you, know it just seems to
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: be just seems to be too big of, it just
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: just a bit too a bit too big of a
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: jump for him being the older. Fighter if he, was
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: let's say three five years younger Than, canelo maybe he
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: say maybe he's gonna maybe he's gonna out. Quick you,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: know he'll still be. Quicker but then maybe you, say,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: well he's younger, too maybe he's gonna out quick. Him
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: and Maybe canal woull just can't land on. Him but,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah crawford almost thirty, eight moving up this Far canelo
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: should he should be able to land on him hard
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: before the twelve's.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: Over, Yeah and when people do use That mayweather, example
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: like if If crawford was or If canelo was at
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: one sixty eight at the, time do you really think
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: early in the fight he would be trying to Push canelo.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: BACK i doubt, it you know WHAT i, MEAN i
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: highly doubt. It you, KNOW i think he'd be more
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: what he did throughout the other part of the. Fight
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: but if you remember early in that, fight he had
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: him on the, ropes backing him up and landing pretty
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: much saying he wanted on him and kind of clowning
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: him when he made him hit the rope and looked
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: at the, rope and you, know and that's not that
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Isn't crawford doesn't mean he can't defend himself and all,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: that and he does have counterability in, that but he's
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: not on that you, Know he's just not on that.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: Level he's not on that. Level that level and that's
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: that's nothing, bad you know WHAT i Mean that not
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: many people, are so you can't really look at that.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Way although again the one fight in his favor, though
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: for that would be it was just he was so
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: dominant in that fight the way that. Went spence wasn't
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: Landing spence wasn't landing on.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: Him, yeah maybe a couple of decent shots in the
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: first two rounds and it was one sided traffic.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: Man right, Now, obviously What i'm getting at IS i,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: hate you, Know crawford's established his greatness and and you,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: KNOW i just hate to take away from the guy
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: with such a great. Performance but you have to have
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: your opinions and based on what you think what you.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: SEE i just think that that just wasn't the Same.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: Spence i've just Gotta i've gotta think. THAT i, mean you,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: know If crawford does something dramatically dominant Against, canelo THEN
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: i Think i'm gonna you gotta revise on what you.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: See i'm gonna look back then and, say, NO i was.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Wrong maybe that Was spence just as good as he always.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: Was crawford's that. Great now if you're if you're A crawford,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: backer you need that kind of thing to have played,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: out like those those chips to fall in your play
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: in place like that was the Best, spence that Fault.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: Crawford you, know The Mayweather canelo fights. COMPARABLE i, mean
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: but obviously people are coming to that conclusion because that's
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: Why canelo's minus won sixty five exactly.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: Exactly and and it's funny because when his crowd gets To,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: vegas it'll it's gonna push up the plus. Number so
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: if if people want to bet On, crawford hang out
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: for a, second, like if you haven't made you, bet
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: calm down a little, bit don't make it right, now
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: because it is gonna Go it is gonna go up
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: a little, bit you, Know i'd, say Because canelo people
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: are gonna come there and bet On canelo and when
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: they see that one, sixty they're gonna freak. OUT i
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: haven't gotten this in, years you. Know, Boom i'm putting
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: my money on.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: It SO i, mean don't you have to take that
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: as a. VALUE i, mean don't you have to make
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: it as a value like? Today here we, Are, Tuesday september.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: Ninth don't you have to grab that AS i think
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: you do. Today i'll put that out, THERE i, mean grab.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: Them, both one of. THEM i, mean IF i can
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: get a plus number for a decision By, Canelo i'm
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: gonna take it just for the just because oh.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: That's within the realm of, possibility, Right, yeah you know
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: he might Drop crawford and not stop.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: Them, yeah and that's actually my, prediction not necessarily that
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: he drops, him but at least hurt him or. Whatever
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: BUT i do think because a lot of people, think,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: oh but it's, different but, yeah it's. True But jamel
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: showed us a lot of heart and a lot of
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: he could take a good shot and deliver it and come.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Back he showed us all all that type of stuff,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: too and like you said he made the business decision
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: in the, Ring, like, hey wait a, second that matters to. Me,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: yeah that matters to. Me if people don't Think mel
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: didn't have that, mentality they didn't watch his.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: Fights, Right and he looked at something early in that
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: fight and, SAID i can't help box this.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: Guy which that's a great point. Too if you can't
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: jab and go back to your old, style, right that's
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: pretty scary thought BECAUSE i think HE i think.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: He knew going, IN i can't punch with this. Guy
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: he's got TO i don't have the power to stop
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: him or hurt. Him SO i think he already knew
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: that going, in and THEN i think he got in and,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: SAID i can't go back to the Old Jamel charlo
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: and jabb this guy for twelve you know he's too.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: Strong or, yeah once he got hit, too he's like
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: who you? Know SO i am going to Go canelo by,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: decision but either, WAY i am going to go with
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: that the straight. Up it's the money line On. Canelo
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: like how many times HAVE i, said, Oh i'm just
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: take that minus number on Can. NO i never take
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: the bits because it's so huge and you don't make
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: any money on. It you know, this that's a good
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: that's a great. Deal what do you think do you
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: Think canelo's gonna stop? Him or now you're, Gonna you're.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Gonna i'm.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: NOT i haven't totally settled on the stoppage or the. Decision,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: yeah it's.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: TOUGH i think a lot Of that's WHAT i.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: MEAN i got a lot of respect for him and
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: his chin and his. Toughness then you, know he blew Away.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: Spence but If canal can get any kind of volume
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: going in this, FIGHT i would think sometime before the
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: trolley stops. Him, Like i'm not saying it's gonna be
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: early or, something BUT i could see it being more
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: like the sand The saunders And plant type of. Things,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: yeah not that bugs not a better fighter than those
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: two guys at his, weight you, know and when, younger
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: but at almost age thirty eight Fighting canalo one hundred
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: and sixty eight. POUNDS i, mean you, Know Caleb plant
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: was a light heavy in the, amateurs you, know you, know,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah olympic, trials you, know alternate for The olympic. TEAM i,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: mean you, Know Billy Joe, saunders you, know good good amateur,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: career you, know good boxing, skill even though he's, not you,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: know not a likable, guy but NECESSARILY i, mean you've
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: got to look at the. ABILITIES i, mean he had
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: some bad, performances but the guy's got speed in, boxing
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: skill and. Pop we had to use. It and you,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: know those are guys who had that size and some
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: skill and some speed and couldn't Hold canel off for
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: the full. Twelve Now canel is a little, older But
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: bud's a lot.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Smaller SO i think there's a.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: Chance canelo gets him and takes him out like he
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: gets a knockdown like he's gotten in these other recent,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: fights but then he's able to follow up on the
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: smaller guy enough to get a. STOPPAGE i think that's.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: Possible BUT i do Think bud might have enough to
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: go to twelve with. Him, Right i'm waffling a little
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: bit on that.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: Potcast it's awful and to your point about playing like
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: he you, know slowly but surely he stopped throwing as,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: much but he was trying to win a. Round he
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: was trying to win, rounds and he did win, some
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: and so he actually was finding some success and maybe
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: that was the. Problem he started to fighting more and
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: then all of a, sudden he got left open and
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: like you, said he really got hurt pretty bad in that.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: Fight but that's the good point, too is like see
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: and that is where it's. Comparable because let's say There
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: bud finds something maybe early and he and he's doing
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: it with some box and like moving like a. Plant
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: yeah he's, thirty he's almost thirty. Eight, yeah he's gonna
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: he's gonna gass doing that like before. Twelves, yeah you,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: know like that's WHERE i see a big problem For
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: crawford and this, too especially at a heavier, Weight.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah you Know. Postall postall's probably the only one
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: he did that. Too is boxing the whole time on
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: the outside besides the first, round, right and you know
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: he has a long time.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: Ago you, know even if he's successful in doing it
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: through like six, seven you, know by by, EIGHT i
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: could see him being totally. Gassed, yeah and canalore starting
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: to land some bombs THAT i can definitely see that scenario.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: Too like even If crawford gets off to a good,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: start he's thirty, eight starts getting, tired just too much to,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: do too much, pressure and he just starts getting caught
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: with some bombs and he can't make it the rest of.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: The, way and then you gotta Beat canelo on the cards, anyway,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: right which is not, easy as we, know especially that
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: he's got a two more fights on a four fight.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Sew you, know mean he got a draw out Of.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Mayweather remember he got a draw out of that. Fight
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: we all remember.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: That you know it was a majority. DECISION i know
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: that was. AWFUL i mean that.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: Was you gotta at least put that in, there like
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: getting the getting The canelo decisions not the easiest thing to,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: do even if you if we walk away, GOING i
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: Think crawford won seven to. Five if you seven to,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: five probably didn't win the, fight you, know more, likely you,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: know as much as you hate to say, THAT i
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: think you got to put that in the equation. Anyway
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: what about And billy And? Martinez do you Think martinez
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: is ready to kind of you, know use his outside
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: skill a lot of His he does have. Counterability i've
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: liked WHAT i saw In Marte, martinez but then of
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: late there's been some OH i don't, know maybe And
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: billy would kind of overwhelm. Them it just And, billy
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: it gets so wide with his punches at times THAT
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: i am, wondering once he steps, up who's gonna actually
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: really clock? Him you, Know SEE i.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: Agree SEE i think this is this is why this
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: one's tough for. Me is and And i'm surprised the
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: odds on this one are as close as they are
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: because but but it kind of then fits WITH i
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: guess Why i'm having some dilemma Because i'm with. You
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: let me jump on your point. There i've, felt you,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: know even though he's entertaining most of the, time That
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: billy is totally. Overrated there's too many weight, classes so you,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: know as far As i'm, Concerned so, yeah he's at
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: the top of one sixty, eight but there's too many weight.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: Classes you. Know to, me he's a flawed. Guy, yeah,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: yeah you know you saw against Deavjah. Tchenko to, me
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: was really showed a lot of the limitations and that
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: was a way past this Prime Derek vy and, change,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: yes you, know and then these other guys he's, fought you,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: know LIKE, selecti, yeah you got a blow on, him
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: but He's, Select he's got no pop and then he's you,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: know really one hundred and fifty. Fourish, yeah So i'm
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: not putting too much stock in that for those, REASONS
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: i just, SO i think mobility's. Overrated but then to,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: me LIKE i look At martinez and his, resume And i'm,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: like he's just not the. Guy, like, RIGHT i don't
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: want to get sucked into it Because i'm, like he's
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: not the.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Guy no one's gonna do. It but will it be On?
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: Saturday you?
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: Know, Yeah that's WHY i hate having to say, it
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: BECAUSE i Think billy's. Overrated but then WHEN i look
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: at this, Matchup i'm surprised he's only like a minus
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: one eighty. Five, Like i'm, like, man that that surprises,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: me even Though martinez is. Undefeated, Like i'm, surprised you,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: know because with those odds are close, enough you would
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: think that they'll at least get the entertainment value out
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: of this fight they. Want BUT i look At martinez his.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: Resume you, know he's just got that decision over you, Know,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: gonzaga who's you, know, Limited, YEAH i, mean you, know
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: and it's picked up plenty of you, know plenty of
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: setbacks are already like you, KNOW i, mean does that make,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: you you, know does that make you a big? Threat
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: not to, Me and the rest of his resume is like,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: nothing even though he's. Undefeated you, KNOW i just he
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: would have to be one of those guys that like
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: he just had something great and the resume is not,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: there and then he got this opportunity and it turns
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: out he was way better than we, thought which is
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: might be what the odds makers and the betting public's
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: looking at it as like maybe there's enough people thinking, like,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: Well billy is overrated and this guy's a. Mystery you,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: know he might be the guy that does, it you,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: know Exposes. Billy BUT i just don't think that his,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: resud you, know martinez resume is not good enough.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: For, me, right you, know with his wins and even with.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: HIS ko percentage for me to put enough stock in
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: him taking even A, mabilly WHO i think is. Overrated
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: it just doesn't seem to me like he's the.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: Guy, Yeah, yeah it's gonna be. Interesting i'm favoring In,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: billy but there's something ABOUT i don't, know, MAN i
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: do feel Like lester could put it all. TOGETHER i
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: have seen shades of, him you, know both of them
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: have at least you'd have to say. Pop but then,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: again you, know you, know you can't stay full on
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: major power because of you know who they. Fought you,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: know we still would have to see, that you, know
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: to make. SURE i don't, KNOW i do wish to your,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: point That martinez would have another fighter to like a
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: real step up to get him ready for. This even
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: like as this, SEE i could see him winning because
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: you can Help box And. Billy but to your, point, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: around you, know these rounds start to add up and
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: next thing you, know he's, LIKE i haven't been in this,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: spot you, know exactly against a guy who's gonna keep
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: coming no matter, what. Regardless so, YEAH i don't. Know
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: i'm kind of back and forth on this, one And
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: i'm just hoping for Like, Boa chuck And adams to
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: give us a good. Fight but it is one of
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: those fights where you're, Like, okay this fight's. Happening it's
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: a rematch from a couple of years.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: Ago, yeah their first their first fight was. Great you,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: know saw that, One so that one as it, happened great,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: Fight adams with a great late stoppage. COMEBACK i, MEAN
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: i these are two FIGHTERS i like a. LOT i,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: MEAN i just like some of the fights they've been
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: in in their. Career but you, Know bohochuck's he's kept
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: active and you know he's really even moved up his,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: profile and With adams is exact. Opposite he had that
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: little run that was really, impressive which had a decision
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: loss To jamal charlow in, there but he went the.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: Distance then you, know he had the big upset win
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: Against bajochuk when he was, undefeated.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: You.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: Know and At, adams he'd been a guy that fought
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: at one fifty four and middleweight and been good at.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: Both you, know he had the upset win earlier off Heat.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: Drave you, know he had a good. Run he had
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: a really good. Run but then he just stopped fighting
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: and he's picked up a you, know fighting. Sporadically he
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: might not be able to get the, fights BUT i you,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: know posted about him a few times over the years
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: when he wasn't, Fighting like, man you, know middleweight's so,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: empty you, know like the two, guys and they both
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: stayed sporadic even more, so LIKE i thought the two
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: guys with the way middleweight was that could jump back
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: in there who'd been in entertaining fights and Both american,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: guys you, Know Emmanuel aleem And Brandon. ADAMS i was, like,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: man if these two guys would just get, fighting weight's
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: a traditional glamour division after, heavyweight and there's nobody there
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: and Their americans and they've been in entertaining fights And
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: i'm not like this blaming. Him probably the pay wasn't
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: there to be worth the, Risk like you, know boxing is,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: tough like so Now, adams you, know he's got back,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: fighting but he picked up a decision. Law he's been
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: sporadically active and Now bhochak's a minus five hundred favorite
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: this time, around and you do figure he's been, active
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: he's even up his game and he probably correct the
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: mistakes he made at the end of the first. Fight
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: that odds probably reflect the way it's going to. GO
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: i mean at this, stage it's not a it's not
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: a great undercard fight at the, STAGE i, MEAN i
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: DON'T i don't Think adams can go to the bag
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: of tricks anymore like he, did you, know do that
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: and pull out great surprises in the. Past BUT i
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: think it's probably past its expiration date. Now so the
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: odds makers and Figure bohochak should make the adjustments and
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: likely have an easy time with him this. Time But,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: adams you, KNOW i thought him a guy Like Emmanuel.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: Leam there were guys that those were guys that had,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: interesting exciting runs at different points of. Fights and and
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: we're on the shelf and middleweight's so barren that if
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: if they could have gotten active a few years ago
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: with some better, fights they would have been good guys
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: to to have. There but for whatever, reasons it didn't.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: Happen and if it's their, choice, SAY i. DON'T i
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: don't blame him with the dangers of the. Sport But
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: adam's back. Now it's probably past its expiration date for
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: him to do.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: Something that's that's it right, there that's exactly. It that
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: was well said right at the end, there that's that's
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: Aroun i'm at. Too and then just real, quick Uh
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: parker wardly liked the idea of the. Fight but they've
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: already said it's gonna be available to buy here. Soon
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: so is that pay per view just in THE? Uk
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: i'm guessing, No i'm guessing it's pay per view in
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: THE us as, well right just who you even THE
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: uk Is i've heard them, going why is this a
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: pay per? VIEW i don't, Understand, like.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: And it's like they're getting the taste of the way
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: it was for them and they're getting sick of, it
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: WHICH i don't. Claim and in THE us it's it'd
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: be dead on arrival as a pay per. VIEW i,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: mean they got to. Stop they just got to stop doing,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: that you, know being, picky Because i've been saying it
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: a lot over the last. YEAR i, mean to, Me, Parker, Parker,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: yeah it's a good, fight But, Parker parker And cabell
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: would be perfect to really establish somebody we might want
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: to see Against. Usik not getting that that's the ONE
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: i keep calling OUT i. Wanted, YEAH i know it's
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: riskier For, parker but still if it could be paid,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: enough it would it would really make the winner of
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: that fight really a palatable challenger For. Usik BUT i Like.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: Wardley I've i've said it, before and you, know To parker's,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: credit BECAUSE i Think wardley is A he's a formidable,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: contender legit top. Ten you, know a guy with no
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: amateur pedigree that's worked his way up and you, know
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: one fight in different. WAYS i do like to, fight
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: BUT i think it's a good style matchup For parker Because,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: parker he's not as good as some at it but
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: he's one of those guys that can do a little
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: bit of, everything AND i think he's got a technical
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: superiority edge Over wardley that's gonna come out in that.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: Fight i'm not saying it's gonna be a, stoppage BUT
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: i Think parker probably knows, that AND i think that's
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: the way that one plays. Out even THOUGH i Like
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: wardley a, lot, RIGHT i prefer The Parker, cabiel But
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: Wardley parker is a, good legit top ten. Fight no
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: reason for it to be a pay per, view especially
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: in THE. Us that would be a good entertaining heavyweight
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: fight FOR us fans to you, know get at five
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: o'clock in an afternoon for free or something like.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: That you, know, yeah now you're gonna give a pay
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: per view during college, football, right good luck with that
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: during the, day you, Know like, YEAH i just it's
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: it's it's a shame, because LIKE i, said good, fight solid,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: fight you, know For parker to keep going to like,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: okay you, know he's not getting usick fight, Boom he's
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: gonna Keep he's not sitting there waiting for. It he's
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: Like i'm Gonna i'm gonna keep. Moving SO i RESPECT
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: i really Respect it's.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: It's definitely more old, school like in a good old school.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: Way it's not like he's fighting ten times a. YEAR
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: i don't think that's realistic to demand that of fighters,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: nowadays or even five times a. Year BUT i think
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: if you're getting paid enough fighting a contender while you're
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: waiting for the legit, Shot, YEAH i mean that's that's
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: that's a that's a good, thing you. Know that's that's
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: good to be. Back that's that's a.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: Good thing for.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: Boxing SO i creed him for And wardley is a legit.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: CONTENDER i prefer the cabl. Fight BUT i like this.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: Fight it's JUST i don't like it on pay per,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: view just like everybody.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: Else, yeah that's it's just, uh just a little shame
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: on that. Part BUT i appreciate you stopping. In i'm
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: glad we can fit you in and, whatnot and uh
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: we'll talk soon and let's. Help let's help we get
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: a competitive, fight you, know let's help. You, YEAH i,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: mean you, know some other here is ALWAYS i sum it.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: Up my deposit been just that this fight much closer
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: odds than anybody would have thought going, in which is
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: a good thing for at least a competitiveness even if
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: the fight isn't. Entertaining and, then even Though i'm tempering
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: my expectations a, Bit i've still wanted a big fight
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: like this on something Like netflix for a long time
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: that's got the reach of people over one hundred million
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: in THE. US i still get to hope for the,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: best for a number that we just, get some kind
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: of number that gets people interested in, boxing gives boxing
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: something to build on after, this even if we're just
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: limited out to THE, us because at the at a,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: minimum speaking for THE, us THE us needs it.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: Badly, YEP i heard. That all, right we'll have a good,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: night good luck in the backyard brawl coming.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: Up, Yeah i'm already let down after That ohio.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: Loss, YEAH i, KNOW.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: I was glad at the Rich rod higher at this
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: STAGE i came to. Favorite but you, KNOW i always
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: look at here getting ten, points even though it's the
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: first year back and second, game getting ten points Against
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: ohio is a. Disappointment is a.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: Disappointment so, yeah BECAUSE i actually saw them Against ruggers
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: and both of them put up points in that. Game
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: they could Have rutgers could have got beat in that
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: game because their defense is in Good night this. Year
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: but to your, point you, know that kind of lend
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: itself to you, know not only putting up that kind
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: of that kind of you, know point outage like you,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: said but who. Knows you, know it's a. Rivalry people
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: get up for something and maybe they'll maybe they'll you,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: know win the backyard.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: Brawl, yeah it's, right it's In, morgantown it's sold. Out,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: OKAY abc three. Thirty it just would have night The
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: knights OF wvu. ONE i don't think it's an unwinnable
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: game for. HIM i still don't know exactly What pitt.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: Is but.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: Signs Were signs were. Bad signs were. Bad this Past. Saturday,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: YEAH i.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: WAS i was at the Opener Robert Robert, morris BUT
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: i want to see The rodriguez. Return and they looked
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: at in the first. Half they exploded in the second.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: Half and even though it Was Robert, MORRIS i thought
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: you saw some good signs but didn't really carry over
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: that much Against ohio And. JAHEIM i can. Report, Yeah Jeem,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: white who was their top running, back he's out for
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: the season and he's he's. Legit he's totally. Legit and
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: if you look at uh because he was playing a
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: lot last. YEAR i had to CE J, donaldson who's
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: At Ohio.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: State, yeah.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: Exactly it tells you how you, Know donaldson was great,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: too but it shows you how Good white. Is But
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: white's out for the. Season AND i saw who was
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: coming in For White. Saturday not to be picking out anybody,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: specifically but it was not.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: NO i was, like if this, is if this is
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: who's going to be coming in For white, man it's
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: gonna be the running game is going to be in.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: Trouble, yeah, well good luck, Anyway hopefully they can pull
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: the upset and, uh you have yourself a good week
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: and hopefully we get some good. Fights, yep all, Right,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: chris great talking to. You all, RIGHT i have a
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: good one you. Alrighty SO i did forget to follow
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: up last week about the the all The act, stuff
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: and someone told ME i shouldn't get, Political, okay but
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: there's literally a bill In congress that needs to be
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: passed By. Congress it has it's already got a bipartisan.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: Support it's, going in my, opinion it's gonna get. Passed.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: Now that's not getting. Political it's The aliact two point.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: Zero both of, them, well one of them hasn't passed,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: yet but the first one passed Through. Congress so it's
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: not me getting political if if you, know it's probably
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: someone that would call someone a snowflake that messaged, me
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: and yet they're the. Snowflake but that's not getting. Political
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: and generally speaking of, late not even of, late but
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: for quite some, time the president that, wins no matter
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: what side it, is they tend to lose a little
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: bit Of congress at the mid. Term it's a very common.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: Occurrence so WHEN i said they, better all they have
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: to do is make sure they pass it by. Midterms
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: i'm just, saying on, average no matter who you vote,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: for oh maybe maybe you vote outside the two parts,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: SYSTEM i respect that. Too i'm not saying who to vote,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: for OR i got political or it just it tends to.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: Change The house could, Flip that's All i'm. Saying and
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: it would be harder to pass than if you don't
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: have complete control Of. Congress that just go look at,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: it go look at. It and we've been on a
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: trend like. That doesn't mean it's gonna, happen doesn't mean
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: it's one hundred. Percent, no it definitely, doesn't but there's a.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: Chance so that's. All that's not getting. POLITICAL i didn't
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: sit there and make a big. Stand and it's A ufc.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: Bill it's written for THE. Ufc that's. Obvious if you
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: don't like me saying, THAT i guess you don't like.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: Facts my thing about THE ufc is will they make
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: it a legit? Belt are their rankings gonna be? Legit
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: and how's the pay gonna be? That those are very
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: common things to, ask just ask MANY ufc. Fighters so getting,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: POLITICAL i didn't get. Political we're talking politics because the
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: damn bill is in the halls Of. Congress, okay but,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: yeah it was kind of funny THAT i. LED i
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: SAID i was gonna talk about, that AND i. FORGOT
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: i didn't duck. It, OKAY i didn't dunk. IT i just.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: Forgot it was a short. Show. Whatever, anyway enjoy the.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: Fights maybe we might get two, upsets but In lester,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: Anyway i'm. Out enjoy the. Fights