Latest / The Mark Belling Podcast / Mark Belling Podcast #100: A major new essay titled "The Lost Generation" focuses on the amazing shrinkage of white people in the media, entertainment, education and other mainstream field. Mark offers his input. Also, the disaster of the Somali refugee program and how many of them hate the country they fled too. And, a major new report says Ilhan Omar and her family were cozy with the ruling butchers of Somalia and were never "refugees."

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Mark Belling Podcast #100: A major new essay titled "The Lost Generation" focuses on the amazing shrinkage of white people in the media, entertainment, education and other mainstream field. Mark offers his input. Also, the disaster of the Somali refugee program and how many of them hate the country they fled too. And, a major new report says Ilhan Omar and her family were cozy with the ruling butchers of Somalia and were never "refugees." · The Mark Belling Podcast

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Speaker 2: We're going to do another Lost Generation segment, except it's
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Speaker 2: not what you think. A couple of weeks ago on
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Speaker 2: this podcast, we did a lengthy segment walking through the
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Speaker 2: plight of Generation Z, the generation after the Millennials, the
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Speaker 2: generation that had its life interrupted and was so badly
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Speaker 2: affected by COVID, and we went through any of the
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Speaker 2: number of other issues that are confronting it. This isn't
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Speaker 2: that there's another piece that uses this term, but it's
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Speaker 2: talking about a different group of people. It's an essay
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Speaker 2: that has gotten a lot of buzz in the last
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Speaker 2: couple of days since it's been released. It's in an
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Speaker 2: online magazine, and magazine is just a term that they use.
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Speaker 2: It's an online website. It's like a magazine that it
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Speaker 2: runs lengthy essays. It's called compact. I have linked the
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Speaker 2: piece up on my website, Belling dot com. We only
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Speaker 2: use Belling dot com for things like this, so if
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Speaker 2: you go to Belling dot com you can read it.
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Speaker 2: It's a very lengthy piece, but brilliant. I'm not going
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Speaker 2: to read the whole thing on the program here. Jason
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Speaker 2: Bond is the writer. What he's doing is drawing attention
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Speaker 2: to how over the last fifteen years there has been
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Speaker 2: a shock almost wipeout of white people in many prominent
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Speaker 2: cultural institutions. First of all, the majority of people in
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Speaker 2: United States of America are white, So you would think
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Speaker 2: that other than specific fields or specific areas, the majority
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Speaker 2: of people would be white unless it's a specific you know,
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Speaker 2: sport or you know some I don't tech, or maybe
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Speaker 2: something in classical music where people of certain ethnicities are into.
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Speaker 2: If they're generally speaking general things, you would think that
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Speaker 2: the majority, the popular percentage of people that are involved
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Speaker 2: in that field would be out the same as the
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Speaker 2: overall demographic of the United States.
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Speaker 3: But it's not.
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Speaker 2: Furthermore, the percentage percentages that have dropped, according to his piece,
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Speaker 2: are staggering. It's not like one to two to three percent.
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Speaker 2: In other words, a slow blue. It implies essentially that
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Speaker 2: they weeded out most of the white people from these fields,
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Speaker 2: white men in general.
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Speaker 3: But also white women.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to quote a few paragraphs from his piece,
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Speaker 2: and again, since this thing landed, it's been talked about
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Speaker 2: on a couple of other podcasts that I follow, It's
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Speaker 2: been picked up on some of the conservative news aggregators
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Speaker 2: that I have, And again, there's just so many It's
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Speaker 2: like a podcast. There's somebody that are out there and
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Speaker 2: so many pieces. The people are right online. For something
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Speaker 2: to get hit this much attention, it's you know, somebody
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Speaker 2: posts it and somebody else reads it. It's just creating
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Speaker 2: a buzz. This buzz will never make its way to
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Speaker 2: the mainstream media. The issue will never be talked about.
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Speaker 2: I'm just going to quote a few paragraphs here so
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Speaker 2: I can then launch off and give my comments, he writes.
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Speaker 2: In twenty eleven, the year I moved to Los Angeles,
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Speaker 2: white men were forty eight percent of lower level TV writers.
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Speaker 2: What's a lower level TV writer? How would you interpret
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Speaker 2: that term? You couldn't get anything answered, Yes, and yesterday's podcast,
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Speaker 2: a lower level TV writer would be, you know, there's
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Speaker 2: just so many TV shows right now when you consider
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Speaker 2: streaming and everything else. A lower level TV writer would
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Speaker 2: be somebody that's you know, often say, on a show
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Speaker 2: like The Sopranos, they had writers and then they had
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Speaker 2: other writers, and the other writers would like maybe one
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Speaker 2: storyline or one set of dialogue and contributed and feed
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Speaker 2: it to the major writers. Or there may be a
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Speaker 2: show in which there's nine to ten writers assigned to
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Speaker 2: the show. A lower level writer might be somebody that
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Speaker 2: I say, Jimmy Fallony probably has ten writers, where I
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Speaker 2: don't know how many as Johnny Carson a rezillion. There
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Speaker 2: might be one or two. They write the occasional bit
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Speaker 2: and they're trying to get things in there. Anyway, this
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Speaker 2: is for a huge chunk of the entertainment industry. This
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Speaker 2: is a big there's lots of people that do this,
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Speaker 2: and it's not a glamour part of the industry, but
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Speaker 2: it's also not nonexistent. For instance, yeah, I'm Saturday in Life.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure they have the two or three or four
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Speaker 2: writers that led a lot of the six, and then
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Speaker 2: there's a zillion others that contribute or give an idea
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Speaker 2: or maybe one of their things he's used every three
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Speaker 2: or four weeks, or they'll add dialogue, or they're one
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Speaker 2: of the people that's around the table to kick in
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Speaker 2: ideas and so on. I watch all these podcasts about
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Speaker 2: the sopranos that David Chase would talk about. We had writers,
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Speaker 2: We had writers, and then we had story contributors and
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Speaker 2: so on. Anyway, white men were forty eight percent of
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Speaker 2: lower level TV writers. By twenty twenty four, they accounted
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Speaker 2: for just eleven point nine percent.
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Speaker 3: Think of that. I'll give you the dates again. Twenty eleven,
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Speaker 3: forty eight percent.
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Speaker 2: Just about half of the people that were lower level
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Speaker 2: TV writers are white. Twenty four it was twelve percent.
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Speaker 2: Word that other thirty eight percent. Go and how can
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Speaker 2: you have a country in which white people still what
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Speaker 2: I think the white population is in the sixties, sixty
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Speaker 2: five percent.
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Speaker 3: Whatever it is.
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Speaker 2: How do you have on the eleven percent in this field,
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Speaker 2: which is again kind of a mass appeal thing.
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Speaker 3: He goes on the Atlantic.
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Speaker 2: The Atlantic is a hoity twenty magazine, kind of aimed
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Speaker 2: at the left. It's like, not really a vanity fair,
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Speaker 2: which is kind of vanity fair. We'll have the celebrity pieces.
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Speaker 2: Atlantic tends to have more think piece kind of stuff
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Speaker 2: without being a scholarly journal. And again, for most of
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Speaker 2: these magazines, what they do know is mostly on the
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Speaker 2: website rather than an actual physical magazine. The Atlantic, the
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Speaker 2: Atlantic's editorial staff went from fifty three percent male and
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Speaker 2: eighty nine percent white in twenty thirteen to thirty six
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Speaker 2: percent male and sixty six percent white in twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 2: Again numbers, I'll break it up. White in twenty thirteen
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Speaker 2: eighty nine percent. Now it's sixty six percent just eleven
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Speaker 2: years later. That's a huge drop off of people whose
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Speaker 2: jobs were eliminated or whenever somebody left, you're simply not
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Speaker 2: going to hire a white person to fill that job.
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Speaker 3: But how else can you take?
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Speaker 2: You know, people work at a magazine like that, those are
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Speaker 2: lifeer jobs. Twenty thirty forty years. For the number to
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Speaker 2: shift that much in such a short period of time
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Speaker 2: means if you're a white person, they just weren't going
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Speaker 2: to hire you.
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Speaker 3: And then male.
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Speaker 2: It was in twenty thirteen fifty three percent male. In
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Speaker 2: other words, what kind of what you'd expect. Fifty three
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Speaker 2: percent male, forty seven percent female. That was in thirteen.
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Speaker 2: It is now down to thirty six percent male. How
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Speaker 2: do you have that drastic of a change in ten years. Again,
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Speaker 2: it has to be that every time a guy quit,
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Speaker 2: it was the job was filled by a woman. He continues,
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Speaker 2: and it's the gist of his piece. He goes on
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Speaker 2: and on and on and points this out. What's been
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Speaker 2: happening to white people in many arts of jobs that
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Speaker 2: drive the American culture. White men fell from thirty nine
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Speaker 2: percent of tenured track positions in the humanities, all right.
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Speaker 2: What's tenure track when you are professor at a university.
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Speaker 2: It depends on the university, but it's usually several years
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Speaker 2: before you get tenure. Tenure means almost impossible to fire you.
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Speaker 2: You have to you have to commit a sex crime
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Speaker 2: or child porn or embezzle money, and maybe then they'll
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Speaker 2: fire you prior to getting tenured, though you can be
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Speaker 2: fired at will. It's like kind of like it's not
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Speaker 2: the same, but kind of like being a partner at
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Speaker 2: a law firm. The humanities, What are the humanities? The
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Speaker 2: humanities would be the social sciences, the arts, etc. In
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Speaker 2: other words, anything tech and math that's not the humanities.
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Speaker 2: But literature would be a literature course in art classould
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Speaker 2: be in the humanities, all right. In twenty fourteen at Harvard,
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Speaker 2: thirty nine percent of the tenured track positions were white men. Now, again,
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Speaker 2: that would not be a field in which you would
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Speaker 2: expect to have a majority being male. Who's going to
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Speaker 2: aspire to be a professor at you know, there's going
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Speaker 2: to be more females. It's just a statement of fact
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Speaker 2: that are going to want to be a professor in
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Speaker 2: some of these social sciences than male. So even in
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Speaker 2: twenty fourteen it was thirty nine percent white males, in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three it was eighteen percent. That's a drop
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Speaker 2: of more than half. Only eighteen percent of the people
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Speaker 2: on tenured track to be a professor at Harvard and
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Speaker 2: the Humanities is.
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Speaker 3: A white male.
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Speaker 2: Yet the number of white males in the overall population
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Speaker 2: is obviously higher than this. In retrospect, twenty fourteen was
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Speaker 2: the hinge, the year the DEI became institutionalized across American life,
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Speaker 2: And this is one of the places that he's going
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Speaker 2: with the piece DEI kicked in right around then. It
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Speaker 2: was something that was talked about and theorized and generally
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Speaker 2: thought to be quackery until it was adopted across the
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Speaker 2: board American school disticcs and so on by the left.
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Speaker 2: And it was always a well, it's just you know,
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Speaker 2: and the people would defend it, would say, you're trying
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Speaker 2: to say that black history should be expined. It was
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Speaker 2: always more than that. It was always get all the
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Speaker 2: jobs and get rid of the whities. This is what
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Speaker 2: toxic masculinity, toxic whiteness, the whites suppressor. All of this
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Speaker 2: stuff came in and he's pointing out that this was
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Speaker 2: the hinge here, that the numbers are rather normal in
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Speaker 2: terms of the respect of the population twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen.
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Speaker 2: But then DEI kicked in and across the board and
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Speaker 2: our institutions that kind of define the culture, defined learning,
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Speaker 2: defind media, define celebrities, Whites and in particular white males
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Speaker 2: have been expunged. Newsrooms in two thousand and five.
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Speaker 3: Were center left places. Now I can relate to this.
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Speaker 2: I got involved to the news media in nineteen seventy nine,
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Speaker 2: college in the nineteen seventies, but in the news media
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Speaker 2: as long as I've almost been a human being. And
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Speaker 2: then I started doing a talk show and I commented
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Speaker 2: on media bias, and I would rip on the media
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Speaker 2: in the nineties and the early zeros for how lefty
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Speaker 2: they were.
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Speaker 3: Little did we know.
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Speaker 2: Remember when I would get on the journals, say in
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Speaker 2: the nineteen nineties, and get on their editor and get
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Speaker 2: on their editors over there. It was nothing like what
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Speaker 2: you have now. At least then they had the pretext
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Speaker 2: of claiming that they were being objective. Did be the
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Speaker 2: slants in all of this stuff. There's none of that anymore.
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Speaker 2: They don't even make an attempt their hell holes of radicalism.
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Speaker 2: Back to his peace, newsrooms were center left places in
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Speaker 2: two thousand and five. Now they're incredibly left places. I
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Speaker 2: imagine one reason newsrooms have gotten more explicitly lefty. Again,
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Speaker 2: this piece is thirty two pages. I'm just giving you
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Speaker 2: a few paragraphs and interjecting. So he's got a theory.
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Speaker 2: Now why does he? As I said, and I think
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Speaker 2: you can't argue this. Paul's been following this as long
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Speaker 2: as I have. In two thousand and five, the media
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Speaker 2: was lefty. It was twenty years ago, nothing like what
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Speaker 2: it is now. So he's now trying to get after
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Speaker 2: why have newsrooms in particular gotten so explicitly lefty.
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Speaker 3: He's got a theory.
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Speaker 2: Is that you have white guys and white women adopting
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Speaker 2: a kind of protective coloration allyship mindset to get to
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Speaker 2: the door. And what does that mean. He's saying that
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Speaker 2: the whites that are in the media they have to
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Speaker 2: go along with THEI and anything that anyone of color
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Speaker 2: is saying or with some muzzlimus that they have to
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Speaker 2: go along with it or they're going to be expunged.
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Speaker 2: And we've seen, for example, it's someone at a major institution,
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Speaker 2: be at Harvard or whatever, lefty as the day is long,
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Speaker 2: if they object to any of this, they're gone. The
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Speaker 2: left has demanded total adherence to their agenda on everything.
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Speaker 2: In some cases they went after people that they couldn't
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Speaker 2: get rid of. Joe Rogan is an example. Joe Rogan
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Speaker 2: was a Lefty. Then he came out and broke ranks
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Speaker 2: on COVID and they attacked him viscerally, and that opened
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Speaker 2: up Rogan's mind. And I think right now Rogan is,
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Speaker 2: if anything, right of Cetter. But because Joe Rogan works
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Speaker 2: for himself, you can't make people not listen to his podcast.
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Speaker 2: They couldn't cancel him out. But imagine you're just some
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Speaker 2: grunt who's working in the newsroom at the Chicago Tribune.
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Speaker 2: You're just some white guy that's in there. You're gonna
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Speaker 2: keep your mouth shut and keep your head down because
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Speaker 2: you don't want to become the target. His theory here
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Speaker 2: he is that even the people that don't buy into
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Speaker 2: the radicalism in New Zooms or other places are going.
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Speaker 3: To get along to go along or go along to
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Speaker 3: get along.
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Speaker 2: People have always debated you go along to get along,
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Speaker 2: get along and go along. I've done a few segments
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Speaker 2: of this. I put it the answer is both. You
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Speaker 2: do have to go along to get along, and you
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Speaker 2: have to get along to go along. If you think
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Speaker 2: through with those, I can explain it. You have to
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Speaker 2: get along with the prevailing cultural trends and the place
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Speaker 2: that you're at, or you won't go along. And likewise,
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Speaker 2: you have to go along and agree with this in
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Speaker 2: order to get along.
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Speaker 3: With these people, or they'll hate you.
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Speaker 2: Continuing for a decade, it kept going faster and faster
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Speaker 2: without any actual quotas to achieve. No he uses that word,
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Speaker 2: you would think that this is be quotas. And a
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Speaker 2: lot of people on my side think the DEI has
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Speaker 2: resulted in quotas. They don't aint quotas. Quota would imply
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Speaker 2: that some of the jobs going to go to people
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Speaker 2: of color, or some of the people of this or
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Speaker 2: people of that. It's been just we're not gonna take
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Speaker 2: you if your wife because if you're white, or evil,
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Speaker 2: if you're male, your toxic, et cetera. For a decade,
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Speaker 2: it kept going faster and faster without any actual quotas
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Speaker 2: to achieve, only the constant exhortation to do better. Oh
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Speaker 2: the phrase of the left, do better, do better. Why
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Speaker 2: this white guy said this, do better? When they've tried
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Speaker 2: to get rid of me here they like they would
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Speaker 2: tell I do better. You got this mark Bella, do better,
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Speaker 2: do better. The diversity complex began became self radicalizing. You
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Speaker 2: see where this is such a good piece but a
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Speaker 2: great term. The diversity complex became self radicalizing. So the
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Speaker 2: diversity didn't just change the skin color or ethnicity of
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Speaker 2: the people involved. It became a movement that radicalized unto
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Speaker 2: itself because inherent in all of this was not just
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Speaker 2: the skin color, but the way you thought and what
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Speaker 2: you believed in, and you had to agree with all
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Speaker 2: of it or you'd be the next victim that was
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Speaker 2: thrown out the door. I'll make the case that this
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Speaker 2: also excluded many African Americans and Latinos. They who are
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Speaker 2: conservative are hated even more than whites that are conservative.
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Speaker 2: The terms that have been applied to them back to
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Speaker 2: the piece a strange confluence of top down and bottom
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Speaker 2: up pressure, in other words, pressure from above the dee.
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Speaker 3: I think this way.
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Speaker 2: I think that anybody who's been proud of any corporation
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Speaker 2: has had to go to the training sessions and so on, and.
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Speaker 3: Then bottom up the ratting out.
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Speaker 2: This one said this, this one did this, popped out
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Speaker 2: and bottom up pressure then nix sons. No one ever
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Speaker 2: said what the right number of white men would be.
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Speaker 3: Again, that goes back to the quota.
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Speaker 2: They never said, well, okay, we should only have like
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Speaker 2: forty two percent of white men here.
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Speaker 3: Even though white men or whatever it is, they never
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Speaker 3: said that number.
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Speaker 2: The reason they did is that they didn't want there
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Speaker 2: to be a bottom This is me, noing, not the writer.
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Speaker 2: No one ever said what the right number of white
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Speaker 2: men would be, but it was always fewer than you
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Speaker 2: currently Hadn't that what it is? Your DII in anywhere,
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Speaker 2: No matter how many fewer white men you had, it's
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Speaker 2: not low enough. Is the medium more trusted now than
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Speaker 2: a decade ago? These questions, of course answer themselves. Is
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Speaker 2: Hollywood making better films and television? Let me interject, I
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Speaker 2: watched or listen to them with five or six podcasts.
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Speaker 2: I never listened to other talk shows, but I'm still
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Speaker 2: learning the podcast stick and it becomes pretty good sources
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Speaker 2: to every now and then pull out a chunk of audio.
18:08
Speaker 2: Megan Kelly was making this point about Rob Reiner as
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Speaker 2: they were discussing his death and so on. Rob Rider,
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Speaker 2: as you know, was just I died in the wool hardcore.
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Speaker 2: Couldn't keep his yap shut lefty. But maybe I had
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Speaker 2: so many movies that're famous. Maybe his most famous movie
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Speaker 2: was When Harry Met Sally. It was a long time ago.
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Speaker 2: I'd have nineties.
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Speaker 3: Do you think nineties?
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Speaker 2: As far as I recall, there was nothing political in it,
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Speaker 2: do you I mean not even like a side every
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Speaker 2: now and now you're just but they'll make a side
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Speaker 2: comment saying that nothing to do with the story, just
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Speaker 2: to put in your lefty bona fides. Maybe there's like something,
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Speaker 2: but it was basically entertainment. Rob Rider didn't feel as
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Speaker 2: though his need what he made. He was trying to
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Speaker 2: make a hit that everybody on the planet would want
18:59
Speaker 2: to go to without regarding now's the question, is Hollywood
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Speaker 2: making better films and television? Is academia more respected again?
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Speaker 2: His questions are answering themselves. Have these institutions become stronger
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Speaker 2: since they systematically excluded an entire cohort. That cohort, of course,
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Speaker 2: would be whites and white guys. Or did abandoning meritocracy
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Speaker 2: accelerate their decline? Again, what a great sentence, meritocracy the
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Speaker 2: notion that you advance on the basis of how good
19:39
Speaker 2: you are, you're not very good. You get nowhere meritocracy.
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Speaker 2: I mean, look at the Ivy League universities. Remember when
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Speaker 2: the president of Harvard was called before Congress. I mean,
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Speaker 2: even if you're a lefty, but you're any good at testifying,
19:56
Speaker 2: you managed to figure out a way to say that, no,
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Speaker 2: you can't advocate killing people because they're Jewish at Harvard.
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Speaker 3: She couldn't even say that. She was so dumb that she.
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Speaker 2: Didn't even figure out her way to be able to
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Speaker 2: weasel word through it because she wasn't chosen on the
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Speaker 2: basis of meritocracy. It's a police chief, and I forget what.
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Speaker 3: City it might have been.
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Speaker 2: DC didn't know what the term chain of command means
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Speaker 2: might have been. The fire chief, whoever it was, was
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Speaker 2: promoted to the position, and they were in human resources
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Speaker 2: and made it to the level of chief wherever it was,
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Speaker 2: didn't know the term chain of command. That's what those
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Speaker 2: organizations are.
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Speaker 3: Chain of command.
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Speaker 2: You got a sergeant, you got a lieutenant, you got
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Speaker 2: a captain, you got an assistant chief, et cetera.
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Speaker 3: Meritocracy was shot well, but you.
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Speaker 2: Have so many of this and so many of that
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Speaker 2: without regard well, maybe this person's better than that one
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Speaker 2: over there. But meritocracy, which has been when America's premised,
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Speaker 2: one America is set up, it doesn't always work. Idiots
20:54
Speaker 2: have always been hired for certain jobs. By and large.
20:58
Speaker 2: You know when we hire you as million years ago.
21:01
Speaker 2: So imagine you butchered this show, you would have been
21:04
Speaker 2: got right. Fortunately, I've not been confronted with having to
21:09
Speaker 2: meet a quote or meet a number and so on.
21:12
Speaker 2: There are some fields, most sports, in which they're clearly meritocracy.
21:19
Speaker 2: You're a bad quarterback, you're gonna lose your starting job,
21:22
Speaker 2: you'll be a bench player, and then ultimately you'll be
21:24
Speaker 2: cut coach. The record is losing for a number of years,
21:28
Speaker 2: you'll get rid of you. But in so much of
21:32
Speaker 2: the rest of life. Look what coles they do itself.
21:36
Speaker 2: They hired a CEO who look good on redsit. We
21:39
Speaker 2: need to have a woman here and she came out
21:41
Speaker 2: of a left wing company and let's starbucks.
21:44
Speaker 3: Size you know, coals.
21:47
Speaker 2: It was years that the company was a train wreck
21:49
Speaker 2: before they finally acted and got rid of her incompetent
21:52
Speaker 2: ass here right, what's on the outside calling it every
21:56
Speaker 2: step of the way. Getting back to that sentence, as
22:01
Speaker 2: I say, we've pulled out here. A news aggregator is
22:04
Speaker 2: helping me on this, but we pull out a number
22:06
Speaker 2: of the key sentences from this piece. And again for
22:08
Speaker 2: those of you coming in, I've linked it up on
22:10
Speaker 2: Belling dot com. It comes from Compact magazine. The title
22:13
Speaker 2: is the Lost Generation? Or did abandoning meritocracy accelerate their declient?
22:22
Speaker 2: And then what do I say when my boys ask
22:26
Speaker 2: about my old hopes and dreams? Man, you got a kid,
22:30
Speaker 2: a boy as a kid told about the American dream.
22:35
Speaker 2: You can do this, You can do that. Got a
22:37
Speaker 2: white kid, Now, what do you tell them unless they're
22:41
Speaker 2: going into certain fields? You got a white kid who
22:46
Speaker 2: wants to be a professor, what do you tell them? Well,
22:51
Speaker 2: you better think a certain way, and it wouldn't hurt
22:53
Speaker 2: to define yourself as trans certainly hate Israel. You certainly
23:01
Speaker 2: can't tell them that the American dream is open to them.
23:06
Speaker 2: The people that are fine with they say, well, yeah,
23:09
Speaker 2: but when white people ran everything, they oppressed and they
23:11
Speaker 2: kept people, and they're denying that. But what's the wisdom
23:17
Speaker 2: in lacking out white people from almost all major institutions
23:22
Speaker 2: that determine the popular culture of popular thought. Let me
23:26
Speaker 2: go through a list in which I think that this
23:28
Speaker 2: problem has been most pernicious, and they're all the ones
23:30
Speaker 2: that control communication and what we think. Teaching at the
23:35
Speaker 2: public school level, teaching at the university level, the popular culture, movies, music, authors,
23:44
Speaker 2: and writing the news media, journalism at all levels. This
23:51
Speaker 2: is where all of our thought comes from. Now, one
23:54
Speaker 2: of the things this is not in the writer's pace.
23:56
Speaker 2: But one of the things that has happened is all
23:59
Speaker 2: of those people that have been shutting out all of
24:01
Speaker 2: those other areas have gravitated to and land in the
24:05
Speaker 2: couple of places where they've not been knocked out. Maybe
24:09
Speaker 2: if you're in the news business, you're gonn apply for
24:11
Speaker 2: a job at Fox News, or you can go to
24:14
Speaker 2: talk radio. Why was talk radio immune from all of
24:16
Speaker 2: this because primarily, for most of its years, Talk radio.
24:19
Speaker 3: Was on AM radio, and AM radio.
24:22
Speaker 2: Was almost dead. It's still other than where there's a
24:24
Speaker 2: talk station. It is dead. And the companies in his
24:28
Speaker 2: destinatus we have, we're gonna go dead unless we put
24:30
Speaker 2: on something that people want. And it became a place
24:33
Speaker 2: where white people in particular might be able to still
24:35
Speaker 2: be hired if they had talent, where their talent was
24:38
Speaker 2: something that was essential to save something from actual death
24:44
Speaker 2: or now podcasting. Podcasting threatens the stranglehold the left has
24:50
Speaker 2: on the media because well, I'm someone who does work
24:54
Speaker 2: for a company. I split my revenue with iHeart and
24:58
Speaker 2: I still work for them. Most podcasts there's work for themselves.
25:01
Speaker 2: They put their thing out there. If there's an audience,
25:04
Speaker 2: they keep most of the money that they generate. The
25:06
Speaker 2: more listeners they have, the more money they're going to generate.
25:09
Speaker 2: And finding listeners is simply a matter of or viewers.
25:13
Speaker 2: If it's a video podcast, making yourself attractive and people
25:17
Speaker 2: go out and find it. In the case I use
25:21
Speaker 2: the case for example of Rogan, because on most of
25:24
Speaker 2: the rankings he's still number one. There's nobody to tell
25:28
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan. He can't say this because Joe Rogan owns
25:30
Speaker 2: his own company, and he's just on a bunch of platforms.
25:34
Speaker 2: He has deals, preferential deals, I think with Spotify and YouTube.
25:37
Speaker 2: I'm not even sure, just as I have a preferential
25:41
Speaker 2: deal with iHeart.
25:41
Speaker 3: But we're all on all of them. You can get
25:43
Speaker 3: them all anywhere.
25:44
Speaker 2: And you know there are people out there, for example,
25:48
Speaker 2: Nick Fuentes, who many conservatives think is way over the
25:51
Speaker 2: line himself. There's no way to shut him up. He's
25:56
Speaker 2: out there and he has this thing, and if people
25:58
Speaker 2: are interested in gravitating to it, they're going to do it.
26:04
Speaker 2: But in all of these other fields in which there
26:06
Speaker 2: is a gatekeeper at a restraint, whites have been screwed.
26:10
Speaker 2: And now he's focusing here mostly on positions in the
26:13
Speaker 2: culture and so on. But throughout business, the same thing's
26:16
Speaker 2: been happening, just not to the same level. He asked
26:22
Speaker 2: the question again, what do I say when my boys
26:25
Speaker 2: ask me about.
26:26
Speaker 3: My hopes and dreams? What do I tell them when
26:29
Speaker 3: they ask about theirs? Again?
26:33
Speaker 2: The last generation is the title of the piece. My
26:35
Speaker 2: website is Belling dot com and we have that linked
26:37
Speaker 2: up there for.
26:39
Speaker 3: Those of you that would like to read it.
26:45
Speaker 2: I hit it at something in an earlier podcast, and
26:48
Speaker 2: I'm not going to lay it out. One of the
26:52
Speaker 2: things you produced my radio show for thirty five years
26:56
Speaker 2: and my podcast for what year. Obviously there are things
27:00
Speaker 2: that are better in the podcast world, right, zillions of them.
27:07
Speaker 2: Is there one thing in which you think radio had
27:09
Speaker 2: an advantage?
27:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah.
27:14
Speaker 2: I mean a podcast you can listen to it within
27:17
Speaker 2: moments after it's done. But most podcasts people will listen
27:20
Speaker 2: anywhere from five minutes to five years after the fact,
27:25
Speaker 2: where as with radio, even when people would listen to
27:27
Speaker 2: the radio online, it tended to be more immediate. There's that,
27:32
Speaker 2: I would say, sort of, that would be one of them.
27:35
Speaker 3: What else Paul said, taking calls? You can't take calls.
27:39
Speaker 2: In my case, I stopped taking calls many years ago,
27:42
Speaker 2: and I didn't think it harmed the show at Also,
27:43
Speaker 2: I would say in general for talk radio, yes, but
27:47
Speaker 2: for my show it was a non issue because I
27:49
Speaker 2: stopped doing it.
27:52
Speaker 3: That there you go. Virtually no podcasts can play music.
27:57
Speaker 2: The reason for that is radio has forever, by necessity,
28:04
Speaker 2: had master licensing agreements with the big companies that represent songwriters,
28:10
Speaker 2: the two biggest, and it's like virtually all are either
28:13
Speaker 2: BMI or ascap. Bands don't get paid. If you go
28:18
Speaker 2: into a bar and a recorded song is by a
28:22
Speaker 2: band or an artist or a rappers being played, they
28:24
Speaker 2: don't get any money, but the writer gets a little chunk.
28:28
Speaker 2: Same thing with regard to anything on the radio. In fact,
28:31
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell a famous story about that. You want
28:34
Speaker 2: to hear my famous story? Did you ever see the
28:40
Speaker 2: movie not the TV show, the movie Mash You have? Okay,
28:45
Speaker 2: none if it has, because long time ago, I would
28:47
Speaker 2: say sixty nine to seventy seventy one. Well, it had
28:50
Speaker 2: to you because the TV show came on in like
28:52
Speaker 2: seventy four seventy five.
28:54
Speaker 3: The movie was based on the book by.
28:56
Speaker 2: Richard Hooker, and it was very similar to the TV show,
28:59
Speaker 2: only more like the beginning of the TV show was cynical,
29:02
Speaker 2: the movie was way more cynical than that. It was
29:06
Speaker 2: a Yeah, it was a dark, cynical but funny movie.
29:08
Speaker 2: It was directed by a guy named Robert Altman who
29:10
Speaker 2: went on and directed a lot of other kind of
29:12
Speaker 2: movies like this. The characters were Sinning, Donald Sutherland, Elliot Gould.
29:16
Speaker 2: They played the Crapper and Hawkeye characters who kind of
29:19
Speaker 2: inverted on TV in terms of their backstories.
29:23
Speaker 3: And so on, so on. In any event, it was.
29:25
Speaker 2: Like the TV show early on, but you know, it
29:29
Speaker 2: was a movie, so it was. And the movie really
29:31
Speaker 2: didn't have a plot. It was almost like four episodes
29:33
Speaker 2: of the TV show thrown together, basically life in a
29:37
Speaker 2: mobile Army surgical hospital in Korea during the war. And
29:42
Speaker 2: it was kind of a dark and cynical movie. And
29:44
Speaker 2: Robert Alton was a guy who just kind of specialized
29:47
Speaker 2: in this. And the movie came to be made because
29:51
Speaker 2: a guy who was a hang around in Hollywood, Auto
29:53
Speaker 2: Premager's brother. Actually he bought the rights to the book
29:56
Speaker 2: Mash was first a book novel by Richard Hooker, and
30:00
Speaker 2: turned it into a movie. And the director that he
30:02
Speaker 2: hired was Robert Albman. All right, back in that era
30:06
Speaker 2: you always needed to have a song or a theme
30:09
Speaker 2: in a movie. Not so much anymore. And they hired
30:14
Speaker 2: Johnny Mandel.
30:14
Speaker 3: Who was a face. He just he this is what
30:17
Speaker 3: he did.
30:17
Speaker 2: He wrote scores from movies and music and it's just
30:20
Speaker 2: a popular, mainstream kind of composer and he came up
30:24
Speaker 2: with his melody and Altman, the director, remember everything in
30:29
Speaker 2: the movie Mash was just cynical. He was taking very
30:32
Speaker 2: serious stuff but playing it for hard laughs. And that's
30:39
Speaker 2: I think, you know, the first year of Mash on
30:41
Speaker 2: TV was like this, but it was very very serious
30:44
Speaker 2: stuff and you got the impression of what it was,
30:47
Speaker 2: but played it for last with just the overt cynicism.
30:51
Speaker 2: Paul even say darkness of it. So Johnny Mendel composes
30:55
Speaker 2: the theme for Mash. They used that same theme and
30:59
Speaker 2: the TV show which didn't know forever and ever and ever.
31:01
Speaker 2: But in the movie there were lyrics and it was
31:03
Speaker 2: part of a scene. Do you remember the scene that
31:05
Speaker 2: it was. There was a dentist who a dentist who
31:09
Speaker 2: well he couldn't get it up, he couldn't have sex.
31:12
Speaker 3: That's it was.
31:13
Speaker 2: And his nickname, the nickname, the name for the dentist
31:16
Speaker 2: was Painless.
31:17
Speaker 3: It was his first movie role.
31:18
Speaker 2: He went on to be He went on to be
31:20
Speaker 2: an actor and McMillan and wife and so on. His
31:22
Speaker 2: name was John Shuck and he played and because they
31:25
Speaker 2: had a name for everybody at all, that's you know,
31:28
Speaker 2: fatherball Kahy. In the movie, they called him Dago Red,
31:30
Speaker 2: which you could probably never do now.
31:32
Speaker 3: Well, they called yes, I still can't believe that they.
31:37
Speaker 2: Had an African American actor in there who played football
31:40
Speaker 2: in college according to the storyline, and they called him spiritchucker.
31:45
Speaker 2: He carried over to the first season a Mash. I
31:47
Speaker 2: think they got rid of that role because they couldn't
31:49
Speaker 2: justify using that term anymore. You know, Margaret was hot lips.
31:52
Speaker 2: That carried over until they stopped saying it. Well, okay,
31:54
Speaker 2: the dentist, his nickname was Painless. Well, they come up
31:59
Speaker 2: with this idea that we're going to Painless was just
32:03
Speaker 2: distraught that he was unable to perform sexually. So Hawkke
32:07
Speaker 2: Guy and Trapper or whatever, they came up with this
32:10
Speaker 2: idea that we're gonna have a fake suicide. We're gonna
32:15
Speaker 2: give him, you know, he doesn't want to live. We're
32:17
Speaker 2: gonna give him a dose of something that's gonna knock
32:18
Speaker 2: him out. And while he's knocked out, this is gonna
32:22
Speaker 2: get these thoughts out of his head and a woman's gonna.
32:24
Speaker 3: Have sex with him.
32:25
Speaker 2: I mean, this is how absurd and stupid in the
32:27
Speaker 2: movie as and that's what the lyric was. Suicide is
32:33
Speaker 2: Painless is the title of this and I think it
32:35
Speaker 2: was loud and Wainwright who did Dead Skunk. I might
32:37
Speaker 2: be wrong about that, but I think he's the guy
32:39
Speaker 2: who played the banjo and sang the song that was
32:41
Speaker 2: said to this, and Robert Altman has told the story,
32:45
Speaker 2: I want to have the most absurd, ridiculous lyrics. And
32:50
Speaker 2: he sent this to all of these composers and none
32:53
Speaker 2: of them would come up with anything because they had
32:55
Speaker 2: all of them was trying to do this really dark
32:57
Speaker 2: and cynical. In the meantime, though, the music theme that
33:01
Speaker 2: was you know, the music is written by Johnny Mandel,
33:03
Speaker 2: as we all know, was unbelievably catchy. So Altman gave up.
33:08
Speaker 2: He couldn't find anybody, so he told his fourteen year
33:11
Speaker 2: old son to do it.
33:14
Speaker 3: Mike Altman.
33:14
Speaker 2: Robert Altman son, who was fourteen, wrote the lyrics the
33:17
Speaker 2: suicide is Painless. Those lyrics were never on the TV show.
33:20
Speaker 2: It's only in the movie.
33:22
Speaker 3: That you hear the song.
33:24
Speaker 2: Song and in that scene, all right, they do this,
33:27
Speaker 2: and Altman hears the song and here's this is it?
33:29
Speaker 3: My god, we have something.
33:31
Speaker 2: This is unbelievably good. First of all, Mendel's theme was beautiful.
33:36
Speaker 2: The theme from Mash is just unbelievably catchy. So they
33:39
Speaker 2: indeed had the scene in the middle where suicide painless
33:42
Speaker 2: commits suicide, which he does and he has the sex
33:44
Speaker 2: well he's in you know, knocked out, and wakes up
33:46
Speaker 2: the next day he's peeler just fine. But all was said,
33:48
Speaker 2: I got to use this again. So the opening to
33:51
Speaker 2: the movie was a two and a half minute montage
33:54
Speaker 2: similar to the opening of the TV show in which
33:56
Speaker 2: you saw the helicopters flying around and the doctors would be,
34:00
Speaker 2: you know, performing on people as they're doing the triage.
34:02
Speaker 2: And that was filmed in the Hollywood Hills. It was
34:04
Speaker 2: in the same area where sadly Kobe Bryant's helicopter crashed.
34:11
Speaker 2: So that was the genesis of that song. Mike Altman
34:15
Speaker 2: wrote the lyrics and Mendeli wrote the music, and the
34:17
Speaker 2: music has been played forever and ever and ever, but
34:19
Speaker 2: the only place you're ever gonna hear the lyrics is
34:21
Speaker 2: really in the movie. Anyway, here's the point of the story.
34:24
Speaker 2: For directing the movie, mash Robert Altman made seventy five
34:27
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. That was just his salary. His son, Mike
34:31
Speaker 2: Altman has over the years made millions of dollars in royalties.
34:35
Speaker 3: It's the only sign he ever wrote.
34:38
Speaker 2: And the song writer, the lyric writer, there's the money
34:41
Speaker 2: with the composer, not it's the composition of the music.
34:44
Speaker 2: Johnny Meandil did all the work. Mike Aaltman wrote those
34:47
Speaker 2: lyrics and made hundreds of times more money than his father,
34:51
Speaker 2: the director for coming up with that.
34:52
Speaker 3: Which is my long.
34:53
Speaker 2: Way of putting out that songwriters are the ones that
34:57
Speaker 2: are compensated.
34:58
Speaker 3: They own the rights to the music.
35:00
Speaker 2: So if you have a bar or a nightclub, or
35:02
Speaker 2: say the Bucks game where they're playing recorded music in
35:06
Speaker 2: or in radio, we have master contracts with ASCAP and
35:09
Speaker 2: BMI to see that they are compensated. There is no
35:14
Speaker 2: master contract in podcast, meaning you can't use the music
35:18
Speaker 2: the song. If I use the song a songwriter, i'd
35:20
Speaker 2: have the right to assume me because I'm taking their
35:21
Speaker 2: copyrighted material and rebroadcasting it without permission. The theme music
35:27
Speaker 2: that I have on this program i've purchased. At some point,
35:32
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to do it yet. At some point
35:33
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you who composed it. But she
35:36
Speaker 2: wrote the music and performed it for me, and I
35:38
Speaker 2: purchased it otherwise I couldn't have a theme here, but
35:40
Speaker 2: I own that, so it's mine. And since it's mine,
35:43
Speaker 2: I can.
35:44
Speaker 3: Use it here.
35:44
Speaker 2: But a song by the Beatles, we can't play out
35:46
Speaker 2: or the Rolling Stones or Bing Crosby or whatever. And
35:49
Speaker 2: I used to in the old radio show. It's a
35:51
Speaker 2: long way of getting around to this say that I
35:53
Speaker 2: love to play music, and we didn't can't do it anymore.
35:56
Speaker 3: So now to my point.
36:00
Speaker 2: At length, I think that that explanation was interesting, don't you.
36:04
Speaker 2: And I think the story about Mike Altman becoming a
36:06
Speaker 2: multi millionaire and never having to work in his life
36:09
Speaker 2: because his dad told him to write ridiculous lyrics that
36:11
Speaker 2: he did. People have said they're so eloquent. If you
36:14
Speaker 2: listen to them, they're stupid, which is exactly what the
36:16
Speaker 2: point was supposed to be.
36:19
Speaker 3: A wise man once asked of me, what's.
36:23
Speaker 2: The I don't know it just you go. It's just
36:24
Speaker 2: it's one of those things in which they sound profound,
36:26
Speaker 2: but it's just it's just stupid anyway. Forever and ever
36:32
Speaker 2: and ever, when I did the radio show, we would
36:34
Speaker 2: start playing Christmas pumper music after Thanksgiving, and I was
36:39
Speaker 2: just obsessed that we weren't going to stop playing it
36:42
Speaker 2: on Christmas Day, and we continue to play it, I think,
36:46
Speaker 2: initially through the end of the year, and then after
36:49
Speaker 2: that I said that we were going to play the
36:50
Speaker 2: Christmas bumper music through the Feast of the Epiphany, which
36:54
Speaker 2: is usually twelve days after Christmas, because my point was
36:58
Speaker 2: is that the Christmas season is not supposed to end.
37:02
Speaker 3: On Christmas. The Jews do it right.
37:07
Speaker 2: Hanakah started Sunday evening. We're in now the week of
37:10
Speaker 2: the eight days of Hanukah. Now, part of it is
37:14
Speaker 2: it's a different Most people aren't Jewish, and it hasn't
37:17
Speaker 2: dominated the culture. But there's like no build up for Hanukkah.
37:20
Speaker 2: No Hanikah starts and then it continues for the period
37:23
Speaker 2: of time when has happened with Christmas. And to me,
37:28
Speaker 2: this year it just got more ridiculous than ever. The
37:31
Speaker 2: Christmas music is being played in the stores in October.
37:34
Speaker 2: It's so pervasive and pervasive and pervasive, and we all
37:38
Speaker 2: know what's gonna happen. Christmas Day isn't even gonna get
37:41
Speaker 2: to the end of the day, and it's gonna be done,
37:46
Speaker 2: kind of like when people go to the movie. I
37:48
Speaker 2: would recommend song sung Blue You're gonna go to what
37:50
Speaker 2: I Know You're gonna go too. First of all, there's
37:52
Speaker 2: no way you wouldn't love it because it's set in
37:54
Speaker 2: the backdrop of local musicians kicking around. Paul said he's
37:59
Speaker 2: seen somebody scenes. He's well, you'd still like it. And
38:01
Speaker 2: I think some of the characters that you would know
38:03
Speaker 2: the real life actors.
38:05
Speaker 3: Of some of the characters that were in there.
38:07
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't give that movie my highest recommendation, but
38:11
Speaker 2: only a scooch below it. It's, first of all, for
38:14
Speaker 2: a movie that could have been stupid very good, as
38:16
Speaker 2: I would suggest that for your Christmas Day movie, except
38:18
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking of Milwaukee that it's gonna be packed
38:20
Speaker 2: that day, don't you.
38:23
Speaker 3: It's gonna do pretty well everywhere.
38:25
Speaker 2: It's not a blockbuster, but it's being advertised nationally all
38:28
Speaker 2: over the place. The studio knows it's got something good here.
38:30
Speaker 3: Anyway, my plant on.
38:32
Speaker 2: Christmas is Christmas just ends of the thud. So if
38:38
Speaker 2: I was still doing a radio show, which I'm not,
38:41
Speaker 2: I'm telling you what I would have planned to do
38:43
Speaker 2: this year to make and just to make a point,
38:46
Speaker 2: take a guess what my plan was going to be,
38:52
Speaker 2: I would not have played any Christmas music until Christmas Day,
38:55
Speaker 2: and we would only have played it after Christmas through
38:58
Speaker 2: the Epiphany. In fact, act, most Christian churches do not
39:03
Speaker 2: have any Christmas music in the church.
39:05
Speaker 3: Prior to Christmas. They will have an Advent song.
39:09
Speaker 2: For example, the Catholics will often do Oh Come Emmanuel,
39:13
Speaker 2: that is asking for the.
39:15
Speaker 3: Savior to be bored.
39:17
Speaker 2: Now, a lot of the songs that are secular in Christmas,
39:20
Speaker 2: you know, sleigh Ride and some of those, they don't
39:22
Speaker 2: have anything to do with. I don't eve think the
39:23
Speaker 2: word Christmas is in a lot of them. Maybe I'd
39:26
Speaker 2: make an exception for that. But the point that I'm
39:30
Speaker 2: making is this the only reason when I was a kid,
39:35
Speaker 2: I just remember my parents they'd have when they'd have
39:38
Speaker 2: like the Christmas parties and friends would come over and
39:40
Speaker 2: all of that. It was the period after Christmas, in
39:42
Speaker 2: between the New Year's there was there are people in
39:44
Speaker 2: our house all the time. That's when people that weren't
39:47
Speaker 2: working in that week. That's when you would celebrate it.
39:49
Speaker 2: This whole notion of Christmas, the whole thing at Christmas
39:52
Speaker 2: is December the fifth, and all of that stuff is fluid,
39:55
Speaker 2: and we just shoved it earlier on, early on, early,
39:56
Speaker 2: and what happens is people get so sick at Christmas
39:58
Speaker 2: that by Christmas Day ends. Now. I believe there's an
40:02
Speaker 2: agenda subconsciously behind the people who want Christmas to end
40:06
Speaker 2: the date moment the day gets here, and that is
40:09
Speaker 2: that is their way of completely divorcing the religious component
40:14
Speaker 2: of Christmas from the secular I have felt forever that
40:17
Speaker 2: they coexisted side by side.
40:19
Speaker 3: Did everybody knew why we had Christas is a holiday?
40:21
Speaker 2: It was commemorating the birth of Jesus Christ, the Savior,
40:23
Speaker 2: and whether you're a believer or not, that was the
40:25
Speaker 2: point of the holiday. And it's becomes a overwhelming popular
40:28
Speaker 2: holiday that the secularized stuff of it's Santa Claus and
40:31
Speaker 2: playing gifts and playing doing music and all o this
40:33
Speaker 2: stuff fit in there, and I felt as though it
40:36
Speaker 2: existed side by side. I don't think they coexist very
40:39
Speaker 2: well anymore. If we are to think at all about
40:48
Speaker 2: the religious component of Christmas. There is no savior yet,
40:53
Speaker 2: you know, and Jewish people believe the Savior is still coming,
40:56
Speaker 2: but Christians believe he came.
40:59
Speaker 3: Prior to Christmas.
41:00
Speaker 2: There is no Savior. It's this darker period of waiting.
41:05
Speaker 2: Then Christmas comes, the Savior is bored. That's the period
41:09
Speaker 2: of celebration and the marking of Christmas. And I think
41:12
Speaker 2: that the secular side of Christmas still coexisted that and
41:15
Speaker 2: player slagh ride and jingle bells and all of that
41:17
Speaker 2: stuff through the period of and the Epiphanty is the
41:20
Speaker 2: day that's mentioned because it's within Christianity regarded as the
41:24
Speaker 2: day in which kind of the Holy Spirit shined upon
41:27
Speaker 2: Jesus and he went from just a nobody that nobody
41:31
Speaker 2: knew was God to being God. And I think the
41:35
Speaker 2: Epiphanty might coincide with the on the top of all
41:38
Speaker 2: of this, when.
41:40
Speaker 3: What do they call it?
41:41
Speaker 2: They had there's a presentation of Jesus to at the
41:44
Speaker 2: temple and so on, but that was it's a period
41:48
Speaker 2: that it's generally thought of twelve days and that song
41:50
Speaker 2: the twelve Days of Christmas. Christmas is always a twelve
41:52
Speaker 2: day season and it started on Christmas Day and we've
41:55
Speaker 2: just ended it so damn early anymore. That my idea
41:59
Speaker 2: where ill doing radio would be just to make I
42:02
Speaker 2: remember when I did the Wrestling Boss Show, I would
42:04
Speaker 2: always do it between Christmas and New Years. You know
42:06
Speaker 2: what why I would fill in between Christmas and New Years,
42:09
Speaker 2: don't you? Well?
42:12
Speaker 3: Brush run isn't available.
42:14
Speaker 2: I mean the most everybody doesn't do their job between
42:17
Speaker 2: Christmas and New Year's and that's when Phillin's show up.
42:20
Speaker 3: I e me. You know, when Rush did.
42:23
Speaker 2: The show, he was obsessed with man I'm Steamroll and
42:25
Speaker 2: to the point that I mean everybody thought he over
42:27
Speaker 2: did it, but I mean it's his show. He loved
42:30
Speaker 2: two things in life. He loved Apple computers and he
42:33
Speaker 2: loved Man I'm Steamroller, And that's what the Christmas music was.
42:36
Speaker 3: Okay, I would do the show like twenty six or
42:38
Speaker 3: twenty seven, and.
42:39
Speaker 2: I put my foot dots. I want to hear the
42:41
Speaker 2: Christmas proper music. Well, the staff didn't want to keep
42:43
Speaker 2: hearing it more this man I'm Steamroller stuff, but they,
42:46
Speaker 2: to their credit, they didn't fuck me on.
42:48
Speaker 3: Then okay, fine, you want to do what you want
42:49
Speaker 3: to do with And I haven't explained to the audience
42:51
Speaker 3: this is why I'm still playing it.
42:52
Speaker 2: And I went to the whole spiel that I've gone
42:53
Speaker 2: through in Milwaukee from your year after year after year
42:55
Speaker 2: after year. But now I'm doing a podcast and I
42:57
Speaker 2: think can't play I can't play squat whenever, so I
43:02
Speaker 2: can't do it. But I had this idea that I
43:04
Speaker 2: thought was brilliant, and rather than just not being able
43:06
Speaker 2: to do it, instead, I'm just gonna tell you that
43:08
Speaker 2: I had this idea even though I can't do anything
43:10
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43:17
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43:19
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43:22
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44:14
Speaker 2: the whole question of the difficulties we have had with
44:20
Speaker 2: Somali immigrants to the United States has gotten attention because
44:25
Speaker 2: of the scandal in Minnesota. Why Minnesota?
44:29
Speaker 3: Will you know?
44:30
Speaker 2: When ethnic groups resettle in the United States, often many
44:34
Speaker 2: of them will be in the same area as they
44:35
Speaker 2: can have a community, And a huge percentage of the
44:38
Speaker 2: Somalis that have moved to the United States.
44:41
Speaker 3: Are in Minnesota.
44:48
Speaker 2: But I think there's a larger backdrop to this story,
44:51
Speaker 2: and that's what I want to spend the segment on.
44:58
Speaker 2: When you have a I understand, I'm generalizing, and when
45:02
Speaker 2: you generalize, you can get involved in prejudice by your
45:05
Speaker 2: implying that everybody thinks the same way. The left is
45:08
Speaker 2: guilty of this, and the right when they suggest, for example,
45:11
Speaker 2: all African Americans have to be liberal and so on.
45:15
Speaker 2: So this is I grant you a generalization. There are
45:19
Speaker 2: probably some Somali immigrants to the United States that love
45:23
Speaker 2: being here and think the United States is the greatest
45:27
Speaker 2: place in the world and that they are happy to
45:29
Speaker 2: be Americans. But the reality is from the rhetoric of
45:35
Speaker 2: so many of them, I mean virtually every Somali that's
45:40
Speaker 2: gotten to Minnesota and become a prominent person is radical.
45:45
Speaker 2: This is a different type of immigration than what created
45:49
Speaker 2: our country. Now let's go back to the mass migration
45:54
Speaker 2: to the United States from Mexico, and many of the
45:58
Speaker 2: people who were defending and are saying, this is the
46:00
Speaker 2: country of immigrants, it's the country of emigrants, it's the
46:02
Speaker 2: country of immigrants. The difference was when you had so
46:06
Speaker 2: many Mexican immigrants coming in illegally a it was the
46:09
Speaker 2: illegal The overwhelming majority of immigrants who came to the
46:14
Speaker 2: United States before this legally came in through the front door.
46:18
Speaker 2: They get the green card or they maybe they had
46:20
Speaker 2: a temporary visa in the days prior to that. They
46:23
Speaker 2: were processed at Ellis Island. They were legal, they were documented,
46:28
Speaker 2: They went through a period of naturalization. If they wanted
46:30
Speaker 2: to be a citizen, it would take I thought a
46:31
Speaker 2: minimum of seven years.
46:32
Speaker 3: Whatever it was.
46:33
Speaker 2: When you had illegal immigration coming in, there wasn't any
46:36
Speaker 2: control over it. But secondly, when we had this mass
46:41
Speaker 2: migration that came in from Mexico, it didn't appear as
46:44
Speaker 2: though you had huge percentages of people.
46:46
Speaker 3: Who came in because they loved.
46:48
Speaker 2: What America stood for the migrants from Europe and from
46:53
Speaker 2: other nations looked at the United States from Afar and said,
46:57
Speaker 2: I want to be part of this. They have it
47:00
Speaker 2: better than we have it. They have religious freedom, they
47:04
Speaker 2: have economic opportunity, they have capitalism, they have a melting
47:09
Speaker 2: pot in which everybody's going to work together. You had
47:13
Speaker 2: immigrants come to the United States and the happiest moment
47:16
Speaker 2: of their life is when the boat landed here. You
47:22
Speaker 2: don't get the impression that many of the Somali refugees
47:29
Speaker 2: love America and love being part of a Judaeo Christian nation.
47:37
Speaker 2: John Cass, who used to be with the Chicago Tribune.
47:39
Speaker 2: He now has a blog posted the following Little Mogadishu
47:44
Speaker 2: the Chicago Way. I'll quote the massive one billion dollar
47:49
Speaker 2: and growing Minnesota welfare fraud by Somali refugees and the
47:53
Speaker 2: accompany tired accusations of racism used to silence whistleblowers led
47:58
Speaker 2: me to think, of my Greek immigrants in Chicago. We're
48:03
Speaker 2: not welfare cheaters hiding behind accusations of racism. Family ties
48:08
Speaker 2: were critically important and our clans, but not at the
48:12
Speaker 2: expense of the love we bore America. Our parents kissed
48:17
Speaker 2: the ground of America and saw no shame in loving
48:21
Speaker 2: the country that saved the world and saved us. But
48:26
Speaker 2: I never hear wonder or gratitude from the lips of
48:30
Speaker 2: ilan Omar, a Somali refugee who was given everything from America.
48:37
Speaker 2: I watch her seething and hating America, always demanding, sneering
48:44
Speaker 2: at the discovery of billion dollar fraud, and I can
48:47
Speaker 2: envision her someday ordering the our executions. According to Somaliland Chronicle,
48:54
Speaker 2: and by the way, Somaliland is the neighbor of Somalia.
48:58
Speaker 2: According to Somaliland Chronicle, her father was of the brutal
49:02
Speaker 2: Somali regime that led to the brutal Isaac genocide. And
49:07
Speaker 2: when the bloodthirsty regime fell, her family fled as refugees
49:12
Speaker 2: from the others they had ruined. By the way, I'll
49:16
Speaker 2: get to a Daily Mail report on that in a moment.
49:18
Speaker 2: Back to cass Why do American taxpayers keep giving the
49:22
Speaker 2: Somali people billions of dollars because we've been manipulated by
49:26
Speaker 2: the global left to hand ourselves to hate ourselves because
49:30
Speaker 2: we're suicidal. So how is the little Mogadishu way like
49:35
Speaker 2: the Chicago Way. Both are Democrat towns, and both have
49:39
Speaker 2: corrupted the people. They play race to bludgeon white liberals
49:44
Speaker 2: into coughing up the cash, and the local news media,
49:49
Speaker 2: dominated by the left allows it. The uncomfortable truth for
49:53
Speaker 2: American liberals is that all cultures are not equal. The
49:59
Speaker 2: Democrat ship them in by the tens of millions. Biden
50:05
Speaker 2: called them to storm the border, and the other Democrats
50:08
Speaker 2: and legacy corporate media wanted the migrant poor to become
50:13
Speaker 2: their dependence, requiring federal aid. The Democrats upheave our society
50:19
Speaker 2: to get votes. They do not demand assimilation as all
50:24
Speaker 2: political parties demanded. When my family came to America, Well
50:28
Speaker 2: that's John Cass. He posted that on x He also
50:32
Speaker 2: has a website, Johncass dot com. He's referencing so many
50:39
Speaker 2: of the Somali so called refugees who came to America
50:43
Speaker 2: and seemed to despise America. And again, it's possible that
50:47
Speaker 2: we're overreacting to the most famous Somali of all, Ilan Omhar.
50:52
Speaker 2: Now a piggyback to that story, he referenced the Somaliland chronicle.
50:57
Speaker 2: Somaliland is separate from Somalia, Separate countries, they have generally
51:03
Speaker 2: been at odds. There's been reporting in Somaliland about what
51:09
Speaker 2: happened in Somalia. Somalia has had kind of an internal
51:13
Speaker 2: civil war forever. The Daily Mail, which is a major
51:18
Speaker 2: website based in London but does some of the best
51:21
Speaker 2: journalism in the United States, this week, did a long piece.
51:25
Speaker 2: You can find it on their website. It's really really long.
51:29
Speaker 2: That was an in depth investigation of ilan Omar and
51:32
Speaker 2: her family, and some of it was based on the
51:35
Speaker 2: reporting of the Somaliland Chronicle. Aside from the widespread speculation
51:42
Speaker 2: that ilan Omar's second husband was in fact her brother
51:45
Speaker 2: and that she used that relationship to be able to
51:48
Speaker 2: get permanent status in the United States, the story didn't
51:51
Speaker 2: go into that. It went on to instead the rest
51:53
Speaker 2: of her family and their relationship, and they found that
51:57
Speaker 2: the Omar family was part of the ruling class of
52:01
Speaker 2: Somalia and was very very tight with the long term
52:04
Speaker 2: time dictator of Somalia, the Butcher. The story goes on
52:08
Speaker 2: at some length, and I'm not going to get into
52:10
Speaker 2: all of it here, but the point of the piece
52:13
Speaker 2: was is that the Omar family was in Somalia. Essentially
52:19
Speaker 2: what the people that were tight with Hitler were in Germany.
52:22
Speaker 2: They were the oppressors. They were the people who savage,
52:25
Speaker 2: They were the people who killed, they were the people
52:27
Speaker 2: who tortured.
52:28
Speaker 3: In fairness. Much of this happened before ilan Omar was
52:32
Speaker 3: born or when she was a young child.
52:35
Speaker 2: However, later on in adult life she has seen in
52:37
Speaker 2: multiple photographs posing with the leaders of that regime. So
52:42
Speaker 2: why did she come to the United States if she
52:44
Speaker 2: was part of the ruling tyrants of Somalia those tyrants
52:49
Speaker 2: were overthrown. You know, we see this throughout some countries
52:53
Speaker 2: in Africa, this constant upheaval of people on the ones
52:56
Speaker 2: hand throwing the other faction out, and often there are
52:58
Speaker 2: no good guys, and the other people come in they
53:00
Speaker 2: become just as barbaric as those that they replace. But
53:03
Speaker 2: when the butchers of Somalia were overthrown, many of the
53:07
Speaker 2: people that were supportive of that government ran because they
53:10
Speaker 2: knew they'd be killed. And the implication of the Daily
53:14
Speaker 2: Mail story is that's how ilan omer got to the
53:17
Speaker 2: United States. In other words, she didn't come here because
53:19
Speaker 2: she was one of these wide eyed people from overseas
53:22
Speaker 2: looking to the great dream of the United States. She
53:24
Speaker 2: came here to hide out because she feared that what
53:28
Speaker 2: she and her supporters had done in Somalia would then
53:31
Speaker 2: be done to them. So we were just as safe haven.
53:34
Speaker 3: We're just a hideout.
53:36
Speaker 2: There's been no desire on the part of so many
53:38
Speaker 2: of these people to be American or be Westernized. And
53:41
Speaker 2: you see this with the term refugee is applied many
53:46
Speaker 2: people who have left Northern Africa, the Middle East and
53:50
Speaker 2: gone into Europe. They don't want to be French. They
53:54
Speaker 2: want France to be an outpost of the place that.
53:56
Speaker 3: They came from.
53:57
Speaker 2: They don't want to assimilate and shit the values of
54:00
Speaker 2: the places that they went to.
54:02
Speaker 3: They hate those values.
54:07
Speaker 2: The Mexican experience here in the United States has been
54:10
Speaker 2: more mixed. I believe that many Mexican Americans are very
54:14
Speaker 2: very patriotic, and we know that a growing number of them,
54:16
Speaker 2: for example, have become conservative Republicans.
54:19
Speaker 3: I think the greatest.
54:21
Speaker 2: Thing that determines where you come down, and this is
54:23
Speaker 2: whether or not they legally came to the United States
54:25
Speaker 2: or not. Logically speaking, if you legally come here, whether
54:29
Speaker 2: it be from wherever, Mexico or wherever, it's.
54:31
Speaker 3: Because you want to be there.
54:33
Speaker 2: If you come in the door illegally and you're not
54:35
Speaker 2: part of anything, you may have disrespect for where it
54:37
Speaker 2: is that you go to. The reason, though, that immigration
54:41
Speaker 2: is what's created the United States is that until recently,
54:45
Speaker 2: the people who migrated here were people who wanted to
54:48
Speaker 2: be American and wanted American values. We can't presume that
54:56
Speaker 2: everyone who is coming now. Once said it is not
55:03
Speaker 2: bigotry to draw attention to the rampant crime that occurred
55:08
Speaker 2: from some of the illegal immigrants who come across the
55:11
Speaker 2: southern border and issue that Trump has pointed out, or
55:15
Speaker 2: the over corruption that has occurred in Minnesota with the
55:20
Speaker 2: full knowledge of the white leaders of that state who
55:23
Speaker 2: were willing to tolerate mass Somalian corruption in exchange for
55:29
Speaker 2: mass Somali votes. Tim Walls and the Minnesotans, I'm going
55:42
Speaker 2: to change the subject. Josh Shaulman, one of the two
55:45
Speaker 2: Republicans running for governor. Major Republicans running for governor. Tom
55:49
Speaker 2: Tiffany is the other. I will give him this. He's
55:53
Speaker 2: trying to campaign on the basis of good conservative ideas
55:56
Speaker 2: in an attempt at an attempt to get attention to
56:00
Speaker 2: on to his candidacy. He is in his latest release
56:03
Speaker 2: calling for a decentralization of state government. The reason I'm
56:08
Speaker 2: bringing this up is I've argued for it forever. There's
56:12
Speaker 2: no particular reason why every agency of state government has
56:15
Speaker 2: to be in Madison. Madison's a state capital, that's true,
56:19
Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean that every single agency that we
56:21
Speaker 2: run has to be in Madison. There's no reason, for example,
56:28
Speaker 2: that the DNR can't be in Wsaw. You could argue
56:31
Speaker 2: it would make more sense for the DNA to be
56:33
Speaker 2: in Wasaw. The DNR is this agency that has so
56:35
Speaker 2: many They deal with pollution, deal with hunting and fishing,
56:38
Speaker 2: they got they deal with permitting. But there's no reason
56:40
Speaker 2: why the DNR couldn't be in Wassaw. There's no reason
56:44
Speaker 2: that the Department of Transportation couldn't be in Waukeshaw, and
56:48
Speaker 2: you go through the list. One of the consequences of
56:52
Speaker 2: state government being centralized in Madison and Madison being a
56:55
Speaker 2: city were just about everybody who lives there as liberal
56:58
Speaker 2: is that the government itself has become overtly liberal. Now,
57:03
Speaker 2: it may well be that if we decentralize state government
57:07
Speaker 2: and located some of these offices elsewhere, it would just
57:10
Speaker 2: mean that liberals would move to those cities and wreck
57:12
Speaker 2: them and turn them into the same kinds of hell
57:14
Speaker 2: holes that Madison is, but they wouldn't be as concentrated.
57:20
Speaker 3: Now. There certainly would be a cost.
57:22
Speaker 2: In doing this, but it's less than people think, because
57:25
Speaker 2: a lot of these office buildings that are used by
57:27
Speaker 2: state government in Madison are not owned by the state
57:29
Speaker 2: there least, it's like the Feds here in Milwaukee. They
57:31
Speaker 2: own a few of these buildings, with a vast majority
57:34
Speaker 2: of them they're renting from somebody else. And you could
57:36
Speaker 2: shut those buildings down and move them to another city
57:39
Speaker 2: and spread the wealth. And also the economic development that
57:43
Speaker 2: occurs by putting a state agency in a community wouldn't
57:46
Speaker 2: all be concentrated in Madison. The one type of job
57:49
Speaker 2: that is recession proof is government, because government almost never lays.
57:52
Speaker 3: Anyone off in any event.
57:54
Speaker 2: At least, Showman is raising the idea. I did a
58:01
Speaker 2: segment on the show a few weeks ago about Jordan Stohlts.
58:06
Speaker 2: He's like the greatest American athlete that nobody knows anything about.
58:10
Speaker 2: He's from keyw Oscom. Jordan Stoltz is about to go
58:15
Speaker 2: to Milan for the Olympics. He has the potential and
58:19
Speaker 2: again we say the potential because you still have to
58:21
Speaker 2: do it. And a whole lot of people that had
58:24
Speaker 2: great potential had a hard time winning goal that took.
58:26
Speaker 2: Dan Jansen was at his third Olympics at a very
58:30
Speaker 2: very difficult time. Simone Biles had a great Olympics, then
58:34
Speaker 2: she had a train wreck before coming back in the
58:36
Speaker 2: third Olympics and having another great one. The fact that
58:39
Speaker 2: you are highly thought of and maybe dominant in the
58:42
Speaker 2: world doesn't mean you'll do well at the Olympics. The
58:44
Speaker 2: Olympics is just one event. Most of them are concentrated
58:48
Speaker 2: over a week. You know, sports teams go into slumps,
58:50
Speaker 2: athletes go into slump's. But there are certainly reasons to
58:54
Speaker 2: believe that Jordan Stohlts may go to the Olympics and
58:56
Speaker 2: be the greatest American speed skater since Eric Hayden. There
59:01
Speaker 2: is a piece on JS online about his weekend. And
59:04
Speaker 2: we're at the point. Because the Olympics occur early in
59:09
Speaker 2: the following year, you have two things go on. You'll
59:11
Speaker 2: have the American Championships, the World Championships, and then also
59:14
Speaker 2: the American Trials. They all generally go on before the
59:17
Speaker 2: Olympics and Jordan Stults won everything. We had the World
59:23
Speaker 2: Cup and again the World Clup gets overshadowed in an
59:25
Speaker 2: Olympic year because the Olympics are bigger. But it's the
59:28
Speaker 2: same people. He won virtually every World Cup event there was.
59:32
Speaker 2: He won the sprint events, and he won the marathon events,
59:35
Speaker 2: which is very rare.
59:37
Speaker 3: He's from Kiwa, Waskam.
59:40
Speaker 2: Speed skating is talk about every now and then, some
59:44
Speaker 2: of these sports that are big only in the Olympics.
59:47
Speaker 2: People don't pay much attention to figure skating other than
59:50
Speaker 2: an Olympic year.
59:51
Speaker 3: Few people do.
59:52
Speaker 2: But I suspect that only people really into the sport
59:55
Speaker 2: know who won the freestyle World Championship in figure skating
59:59
Speaker 2: last year. But people will remember forever and we turn
1:00:02
Speaker 2: into international superstars, those who win the gold medal every
1:00:05
Speaker 2: four years. Gymnastics is another. There are other fringe sports.
1:00:10
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody pays any attention. People don't pay
1:00:13
Speaker 2: much attention to Bob's ledding unless the Olympics are going on, but.
1:00:16
Speaker 3: Speed skating is at the top of that list. I
1:00:18
Speaker 3: mean there are people who.
1:00:20
Speaker 2: Became huge stars and house Bonny Blair, for example. I
1:00:25
Speaker 2: mean that name, especially here in southeastern Wisconsin because she's
1:00:28
Speaker 2: from here. Dan Jansen, go back to Eric Heyden and
1:00:30
Speaker 2: some of the others. They are huge names. That it
1:00:33
Speaker 2: is primarily because of the fact that they were in
1:00:35
Speaker 2: the Olympics. We have the potential for Jordan Stohltz to join.
1:00:41
Speaker 3: That group.
1:00:42
Speaker 2: He is skating at the highest level right now that
1:00:44
Speaker 2: that sport has ever seen. And since I'm on the
1:00:48
Speaker 2: subject of the Winter Olympics, which are held in Milan
1:00:53
Speaker 2: and the region. In fact they're using two cities, Milan
1:00:55
Speaker 2: and Cortina because it's spread out over northern Italy for
1:00:59
Speaker 2: the Swiss Alps, A and so on. Two other stories
1:01:04
Speaker 2: that I see coming from the Olympics both deal with skiing.
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Speaker 2: We all remember how Simone Biles crashed and burned at
1:01:12
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty Olympics. She had a great breakthrough as
1:01:15
Speaker 2: the young teenager in twenty sixteen, and then in twenty
1:01:19
Speaker 2: twenty it was the COVID year. In fact, I actually
1:01:21
Speaker 2: think the Olympics are in twenty twenty one. She fell
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Speaker 2: apart emotionally and she botched her first routine and then
1:01:27
Speaker 2: essentially quit and she said she had mental health pressures
1:01:30
Speaker 2: and walked away from her team, very very controversial, and
1:01:34
Speaker 2: she achieved redemption. She came back in twenty twenty four
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Speaker 2: and one damn near everything, and what happened to twenty
1:01:41
Speaker 2: twenty will be a footno for her career. I think
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Speaker 2: we have the potential for the same thing happening this
1:01:49
Speaker 2: time four years ago actually three twenty twenty two Olympics.
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Speaker 2: Mikayla Schiffrin, the American superstar, was at the downhill of
1:01:59
Speaker 2: the slalom. What ever her first event was, I mean
1:02:02
Speaker 2: she was what fifty yards out of the gate, flat
1:02:06
Speaker 2: at her face, flat right in her face. I think
1:02:10
Speaker 2: it was. I think she was in the slalom, and
1:02:12
Speaker 2: he was a giant solemn. She did first, and then
1:02:14
Speaker 2: she had an opportunity for redemption later in the week
1:02:17
Speaker 2: in the slalom, and what happened down right there again,
1:02:20
Speaker 2: it was just a disaster.
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Speaker 3: She was so.
1:02:22
Speaker 2: Dominant and she couldn't help it fall down, and she
1:02:27
Speaker 2: had a night marriish Olympics. And I think just what
1:02:30
Speaker 2: happened after she felt the first time it was in
1:02:32
Speaker 2: her head, and anybody who's done anything, when what's in
1:02:36
Speaker 2: your head is failure, you're going to fail. You still golf.
1:02:41
Speaker 2: You're standing over a five foot putting you think you're
1:02:43
Speaker 2: going to miss it. What happens you're gonna miss it
1:02:47
Speaker 2: is probably you are going to miss it.
1:02:50
Speaker 3: Guy who's not any good.
1:02:51
Speaker 2: At free throws, he's in a precious situation and he
1:02:53
Speaker 2: lacks confidence. He's going to miss the free throw if
1:02:56
Speaker 2: and I just think that that's what happened to Mikayla Schiffrin.
1:03:00
Speaker 2: Kayla Schiffern had a monster weekend at the Skiing World Cup.
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Speaker 2: I think it's possible that she's gonna go to the
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Speaker 2: Olympics in twenty twenty six and have a redemption and
1:03:11
Speaker 2: maybe win multiple golds in the same way that Simone
1:03:13
Speaker 2: Biles did in gymnastics.
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Speaker 3: And one other Do you know who's back? Lindsay van
1:03:20
Speaker 3: Is back.
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Speaker 2: She was off for eight years, and Lindsay vot is
1:03:24
Speaker 2: in her forties. This is what this reminds me of.
1:03:28
Speaker 2: George Foreman was a heavyweight champion of the world in
1:03:30
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies and then Muhammad Ali beat him, and
1:03:33
Speaker 2: then he dubbed around a little bit and he just
1:03:35
Speaker 2: walked away from the sport for like fifteen or eighteen years.
1:03:38
Speaker 2: And George Foreman came back in his late thirties and
1:03:41
Speaker 2: he was a big, fat guy. He had done these
1:03:42
Speaker 2: stupid TV commercials that he decided that he was gonna
1:03:45
Speaker 2: get a boxing and.
1:03:46
Speaker 3: Everybody thought that it was a joke.
1:03:47
Speaker 2: At his first ten to fifteen fights, he was fighting
1:03:49
Speaker 2: against nobody, so so who cares that he's that he
1:03:51
Speaker 2: was knocking them out. George Foreman regained the heavyweight championship
1:03:56
Speaker 2: of the world, and I think at the time he woned,
1:03:58
Speaker 2: he was the oldest person win. Now we have like
1:04:01
Speaker 2: nineteen different titles right now, but the linear title in
1:04:05
Speaker 2: which you traced from this guy beat this guy to
1:04:07
Speaker 2: this guy beat that guy. He beat Michael Moore and
1:04:10
Speaker 2: knocked him out flat on his ground. He's forty six
1:04:12
Speaker 2: years old, and I don't think anybody thought that he
1:04:15
Speaker 2: was going to make it all the way back and
1:04:16
Speaker 2: get back to the top.
1:04:19
Speaker 3: Lindsay Van did.
1:04:21
Speaker 2: Get a couple of first places over the last couple
1:04:23
Speaker 2: of weeks. She's in the downhill. If she could win,
1:04:26
Speaker 2: I would say just meddling. They still call that hit
1:04:29
Speaker 2: the podium. She could hit the podium after having retired
1:04:32
Speaker 2: for eight years and be in her forties. She would
1:04:35
Speaker 2: cement her legacy as being one of.
1:04:36
Speaker 3: The greatest skiers of all time.
1:04:38
Speaker 2: Say my Olympics coverage, I try to keep people ahead
1:04:41
Speaker 2: of the curve of this. And the reason all of
1:04:45
Speaker 2: this stuff is happening is the Trials are coming up
1:04:48
Speaker 2: and the World Championships and these sports are being held now,
1:04:51
Speaker 2: and they have to hold them before the Olympics. And
1:04:53
Speaker 2: they do hold the World Championships even an Olympic year,
1:04:56
Speaker 2: even though obviously the Olympics of her shadow in sports
1:04:59
Speaker 2: like this, all of the World Championships Football preview next.
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Speaker 2: This is the Mark Belling Podcast. This is the Mark
1:05:08
Speaker 2: Belling Podcast, and it's time for our weekly weekend football
1:05:11
Speaker 2: preview and some points thread picks. I'm joined by Mike
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Speaker 2: Murlette of American Sports Analysts in Madison. Big weekend in
1:05:18
Speaker 2: college football as the playoffs finally begin after an entire
1:05:23
Speaker 2: year of people wonder who's going to be in who's
1:05:25
Speaker 2: going to be out there actually going to start playing games.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk to Mike for just a second here. Anything
1:05:30
Speaker 2: special that's going to be going on this weekend. I
1:05:32
Speaker 2: know it's a little bit early to kneel everything down
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Speaker 2: at ASA that you'd like to share with the audience.
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Speaker 4: Sure, they can go to our website ASA wins dot com.
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Speaker 4: We've got a bowlpackage up for one nine. That's all
1:05:43
Speaker 4: of our bowlpicks for the season. You probably ten to
1:05:46
Speaker 4: fifteen bullpicks in that range, and if they sign up
1:05:49
Speaker 4: before this weekend, we'll throw in the NFL free for
1:05:52
Speaker 4: this weekend. And we're on a nice run. We've won
1:05:55
Speaker 4: five straight college games. We won our first bowl game
1:05:57
Speaker 4: last night with Jacksonville State. We went five and on
1:05:59
Speaker 4: the l last weekend.
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Speaker 3: So wow.
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Speaker 2: And that Jacksonville State pick was the pick that you
1:06:04
Speaker 2: used in our segment on the radio, rather on the
1:06:08
Speaker 2: I'm not on the radio anymore, the segment on the
1:06:09
Speaker 2: podcast last week. Let's talk first of all about college football.
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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, in addition to the lesser bull games,
1:06:17
Speaker 2: there are four college football playoff games. Four teams have buys,
1:06:21
Speaker 2: so the other eight played this weekend, and we don't
1:06:24
Speaker 2: have time to talk about all four of them. So
1:06:27
Speaker 2: I pulled out the two games that I thought were
1:06:29
Speaker 2: the most interesting, and the first oneing is the one,
1:06:32
Speaker 2: and I think it's interesting because it's got a huge
1:06:34
Speaker 2: point spread on it and its face features a very
1:06:40
Speaker 2: intriguing team. James Madison. James Madison comes from the group
1:06:44
Speaker 2: of five, the so called lesser conferences, and had a
1:06:47
Speaker 2: spectacular season, but a lot of people question whether or
1:06:51
Speaker 2: not they're one of the twelve best teams in college football.
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Speaker 2: They're in because the rule state that five conference champions
1:06:58
Speaker 2: have to be to be in, and some of the
1:07:00
Speaker 2: conference champions in larger conference just didn't deserve to be in,
1:07:04
Speaker 2: so James Madison got plucked in out of the Sun Belt.
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Speaker 2: They play Oregon from the Big Ten. Oregon is a
1:07:12
Speaker 2: big favorite. People perceive that Oregon's a lot better team.
1:07:17
Speaker 2: It's really hard to tell how good James Madison is though,
1:07:22
Speaker 2: because they haven't played a really strong team all year.
1:07:25
Speaker 2: What do you make of this game? I think it's
1:07:27
Speaker 2: I think it's either going to be an indictment of
1:07:31
Speaker 2: allowing you know, Conference USA, Sunbelt American Association in the
1:07:35
Speaker 2: postseason at all, or it's going to vindicate those teams
1:07:39
Speaker 2: being in. Given what happens with James Madison and the
1:07:41
Speaker 2: team that they draw, Oregon, it's not there not the
1:07:44
Speaker 2: best team in college football.
1:07:45
Speaker 3: But they're very good.
1:07:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree one hundred percent with you, Mark, at
1:07:51
Speaker 4: these these games are really hard to handicap. You talked
1:07:55
Speaker 4: about the strength of schedule. Oregon strengths of schedule is
1:07:58
Speaker 4: seventeenth in the country. Madison is one hundred and fifths.
1:08:01
Speaker 4: So it's hard to look at the stats that we
1:08:04
Speaker 4: like to look at and make a comparison on how
1:08:08
Speaker 4: good or how bad a team is because of the
1:08:11
Speaker 4: strength of schedule. For example, James Madison's defense is fantastic.
1:08:15
Speaker 4: Their rush defense is number three in the country and
1:08:18
Speaker 4: yards per carrying number two in overall rush yards, but
1:08:23
Speaker 4: the average rush offense they faced is fifty fourth. This year,
1:08:28
Speaker 4: James Madison offense averages thirty six points per game, but
1:08:32
Speaker 4: the average defense they faced is eighty third and they
1:08:35
Speaker 4: played five defenses ranked outside the top one hundred in
1:08:38
Speaker 4: total defense.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're twelve, they're twelve and one. But even in
1:08:42
Speaker 2: their non conference schedule, they played Cupcakes, they played Weaver Say,
1:08:46
Speaker 2: which is an FCS team. They played Liberty. I think
1:08:50
Speaker 2: Liberty is in USA, They're not in their league. Yeah,
1:08:53
Speaker 2: that's a weak team. The one team that they played
1:08:55
Speaker 2: of NODE was Louisville, which was pretty good at the time,
1:08:58
Speaker 2: but Louisville's only in the ACC. They didn't win it,
1:09:02
Speaker 2: and they lost to them twenty eight to fourteen. So
1:09:05
Speaker 2: I don't think James Madison should be in. But I
1:09:08
Speaker 2: understand that they created these rules that state that you've
1:09:11
Speaker 2: got to put five conference champions in and they didn't
1:09:14
Speaker 2: want to put in the champion from the ACC because
1:09:16
Speaker 2: they had a zillion losses.
1:09:17
Speaker 3: That was Duke, and you end up with this team
1:09:20
Speaker 3: in there. In defense though.
1:09:21
Speaker 2: Of James Madison, you only can beat the teams that
1:09:25
Speaker 2: you play, and this is what their schedule is. And
1:09:27
Speaker 2: also it's pretty extraordinary that this is the second year
1:09:30
Speaker 2: that their coach, Kurt Signetti has been going off to Indiana,
1:09:34
Speaker 2: and if anything, they're better without him than they were
1:09:37
Speaker 2: before you got there. So they deserve a fair amount
1:09:40
Speaker 2: of credit. But there is this big, fat point spread
1:09:42
Speaker 2: that's out there, and you know, I think some people
1:09:45
Speaker 2: will clearly bet on the game. I would think it's,
1:09:48
Speaker 2: as you said, one of the toughest ones. I mean,
1:09:50
Speaker 2: if if James Madison lost by thirty five points, no
1:09:54
Speaker 2: one would be surprised. It's possible, however, that they could
1:09:57
Speaker 2: play him tough and keep it into single digits. Just
1:10:00
Speaker 2: really don't know, do you have a lean on the
1:10:02
Speaker 2: game at all or just because of all these variables.
1:10:04
Speaker 3: Is it one that you don't want to make it?
1:10:06
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think we're going to use the game.
1:10:09
Speaker 4: And I think it's too hard to handicap this game.
1:10:11
Speaker 4: I think you hit it on the head again. They
1:10:12
Speaker 4: could lose by thirty five, they could lose by ten.
1:10:15
Speaker 3: I don't.
1:10:16
Speaker 4: These are hard teams to pair up and look and
1:10:18
Speaker 4: figure out where each stands. So I think it's a
1:10:21
Speaker 4: game we'll stay away from.
1:10:22
Speaker 2: Ye Usually when a team like James Madison beats a
1:10:25
Speaker 2: top team, it's early in the season where the team
1:10:28
Speaker 2: from the more prestigious league gets caught flat footed.
1:10:31
Speaker 3: And so on.
1:10:32
Speaker 2: Oregon's not going to be flat footed. They have a
1:10:34
Speaker 2: chance to advance and the college football playoffs, They're going
1:10:37
Speaker 2: to be ready for the game. The other game that
1:10:39
Speaker 2: I want to talk about is just the opposite. Two
1:10:42
Speaker 2: extremely high profile teams, interestingly from the same conference, and
1:10:47
Speaker 2: two teams that I think had very similar seasons, both
1:10:50
Speaker 2: very good, a cut below however, being the best team
1:10:54
Speaker 2: in their league. And that's Oklahoma playing Alabama, two of
1:10:58
Speaker 2: the biggest name programs. They're seeded kind of in the
1:11:01
Speaker 2: middle of the playoffs. They both had very very good seasons.
1:11:05
Speaker 2: The SEC has a zillion teams. Alabama lost the title game,
1:11:09
Speaker 2: but they may have been the second best team in
1:11:11
Speaker 2: the league. Oklahoma had a very very good season. They
1:11:15
Speaker 2: had an excellent defense. Size up Oklahoma and Alabama.
1:11:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have We have a point of reference here
1:11:22
Speaker 4: because these two teams played this year and not that
1:11:24
Speaker 4: long ago. November November fifteenth, Alabama hosted Oklahoma. Alabama was
1:11:29
Speaker 4: a six and a half point home favorite and lost
1:11:33
Speaker 4: twenty three to twenty one. But if you dig a
1:11:35
Speaker 4: little deeper, Oklahoma or Alabama outgained Oklahoma four h six
1:11:41
Speaker 4: to two twelve.
1:11:42
Speaker 2: In that game.
1:11:42
Speaker 3: Wow, so they must. They had turnovers three.
1:11:45
Speaker 4: Turnovers to zero. And if you look at the two
1:11:48
Speaker 4: touchdowns in the game that Oklahoma had, one came on
1:11:51
Speaker 4: an eighty seven yard interception return and one came on
1:11:55
Speaker 4: a thirty yard drive after Alabama fumbled the punt. So
1:11:59
Speaker 4: Alabama play better in that game. Neither team could run
1:12:02
Speaker 4: the ball both. I think one had eighty yards and
1:12:05
Speaker 4: one had seventy five yeards rushing. So this might come
1:12:07
Speaker 4: down to a quarterback situation. Who can move the ball
1:12:10
Speaker 4: better that way? And I think Alabama has the edge here.
1:12:13
Speaker 4: I mean, they've got Simpson, He's a first round NFL
1:12:16
Speaker 4: draft pick. They had better numbers across the board passing
1:12:19
Speaker 4: and in that first game since then through for three
1:12:21
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty eight yards and Oklahoma's Ma Tier through
1:12:24
Speaker 4: for one hundred and thirty eight yards. I think there's
1:12:27
Speaker 4: a reason Bama's favored here. It's the first time a
1:12:29
Speaker 4: college football playoffs started the last year, first time we
1:12:32
Speaker 4: get a home underdog.
1:12:34
Speaker 3: The games are not.
1:12:35
Speaker 2: Bowl games later on they are, but these are games
1:12:38
Speaker 2: played on a team's home field. This game is at Alabama.
1:12:42
Speaker 2: They're in their home stadium, with Oklahoma being no. I like,
1:12:46
Speaker 2: take that back, I've got that home game is at Oklahoma.
1:12:49
Speaker 2: They had the better seed here, so it's a home
1:12:51
Speaker 2: game for Oklahoma with Alabama on the road. So you're right,
1:12:55
Speaker 2: Alabama's favored despite the fact that they're on the road.
1:13:00
Speaker 4: Yeah. And I think i'd lean in Alabama in this game.
1:13:03
Speaker 4: I think they're the better team. They all played him
1:13:05
Speaker 4: the first game at home and loss. Another thing about
1:13:07
Speaker 4: Alabama here, they've been hearing for two weeks how they
1:13:09
Speaker 4: shouldn't even be here because they have three losses. That's
1:13:11
Speaker 4: a motivating factor. I think Alabama probably wins this.
1:13:14
Speaker 3: Game, all right.
1:13:15
Speaker 2: Turning our attention to the NFL, I want to spend
1:13:17
Speaker 2: all of our time discussing the Packers' overall situation and
1:13:22
Speaker 2: the game against the Bears. Right now, Green Bay is
1:13:26
Speaker 2: favored by one or one and a half points in
1:13:29
Speaker 2: the Saturday night game against Chicago, which just strikes me
1:13:33
Speaker 2: as odd. When the Packers and the Bears played in
1:13:37
Speaker 2: Green Bay, I believe the Packers are about a six
1:13:38
Speaker 2: and a half point favorite. So if you say home
1:13:41
Speaker 2: field is worth two and a half points, that would
1:13:43
Speaker 2: be two and a half plus two and a half
1:13:44
Speaker 2: because the games in Chicago.
1:13:46
Speaker 3: That would explain where we are.
1:13:47
Speaker 2: But that means the point spread is completely discouting the
1:13:52
Speaker 2: absence of Micah Parsons and the potential absence of Christian Watson.
1:13:57
Speaker 2: Zach Toms listed as questionable for the game. Packers have
1:14:00
Speaker 2: several guys that are questionable in addition to the fact
1:14:03
Speaker 2: that their bench defensive player is out of the game.
1:14:07
Speaker 2: I'm surprised the Bears aren't favored given the fact that
1:14:11
Speaker 2: Green Bay just in a short period of time got
1:14:13
Speaker 2: decimated by injuries. Now it's not the quarterback and maybe
1:14:17
Speaker 2: the lines just don't move if it's not the quarterback.
1:14:20
Speaker 2: But do you think that this line is reflecting at
1:14:22
Speaker 2: all the absence of Parsons and maybe several other key players.
1:14:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think it is, and I'll give you
1:14:30
Speaker 4: a reason. Last week. They have a look ahead lines
1:14:34
Speaker 4: on these games. So last week Green Bay was faired
1:14:36
Speaker 4: by three in this game, you could have wagered on
1:14:38
Speaker 4: Green Bear Chicago at three. Last week. Now it's down
1:14:42
Speaker 4: to one. So it's moved two points. And I think
1:14:45
Speaker 4: the reason it didn't move from the first game as
1:14:47
Speaker 4: much as it should have based on the look ahead
1:14:50
Speaker 4: line is green Bay won that game by seven, but
1:14:53
Speaker 4: they dominated that game. They all gained the Bears by
1:14:55
Speaker 4: two yards per play and really dominated that game. So
1:14:59
Speaker 4: I think that's probably why the look ahead line was three.
1:15:02
Speaker 4: But it's moved two points just based on the injuries.
1:15:05
Speaker 4: It's not a great spot for green Bay. I'll be honest.
1:15:07
Speaker 4: Back to back road games, and if you look at
1:15:09
Speaker 4: teams coming off of playing in Denver don't do well.
1:15:14
Speaker 4: I mean the last three seasons, those teams are six
1:15:16
Speaker 4: and seventeen against the spread. This year, teams that play
1:15:19
Speaker 4: at Denver the next week are zero and six against
1:15:21
Speaker 4: the spread. I think it's a tough spot for them,
1:15:25
Speaker 4: all right, man, I think this game is really hard, Mark,
1:15:27
Speaker 4: I think it's really hard. Packers got a lot of injuries.
1:15:31
Speaker 4: Bears got some wide receiver injury issues here. And we've
1:15:34
Speaker 4: talked about this all season. If the Bears win the
1:15:36
Speaker 4: turnover battle, they're gonna win. If they don't, they're not.
1:15:39
Speaker 4: They have one win this year out of ten where
1:15:42
Speaker 4: they had an even or negative turnover margin, and it's
1:15:46
Speaker 4: gonna come down to that. In the first game it
1:15:48
Speaker 4: was one turnover a piece. Green Bay dominated the stats
1:15:50
Speaker 4: and won the game. I think it's gonna come down
1:15:52
Speaker 4: to that again. Green Bay is hoping to get some
1:15:55
Speaker 4: guys back. Obviously Parsons is out. They hope to get
1:15:57
Speaker 4: Watson back. They got some offensive linemen and dB banged up.
1:16:01
Speaker 4: Not sure if those guys are coming back or not.
1:16:02
Speaker 4: And if they don't, Green Bay is probably going to
1:16:04
Speaker 4: be in trouble in this game.
1:16:06
Speaker 2: The chances of the Packers going on and being a
1:16:09
Speaker 2: Super Bowl contender, how big of a hit did they take?
1:16:13
Speaker 2: I look at the now, every team in the NFL
1:16:16
Speaker 2: has injuries, and as the season goes on, I'll get worse.
1:16:19
Speaker 3: The season is too long. It's the same thing as
1:16:21
Speaker 3: the NBA.
1:16:21
Speaker 2: Where guys are going down with acls right and left
1:16:24
Speaker 2: in the playoffs and so on. But if you take
1:16:27
Speaker 2: a look at the overall picture for Green Bay, they
1:16:30
Speaker 2: had this year two players they probably were first team
1:16:34
Speaker 2: All Pro the tight end and Micah Parsons. Craft the
1:16:40
Speaker 2: tight end was on his way I think probably to
1:16:43
Speaker 2: being first or second team All Pro, and Parsons is
1:16:47
Speaker 2: clearly first team All Pro. How do you lose two
1:16:50
Speaker 2: of your best three players? Jordan loved being the third
1:16:53
Speaker 2: most third best player, but he's not the best quarterback
1:16:55
Speaker 2: in the NFL. How do you lose those two teams
1:16:58
Speaker 2: without it have a devastating.
1:17:01
Speaker 3: Impact on you.
1:17:02
Speaker 2: Imagine if you argue that having those players are a value,
1:17:06
Speaker 2: not having them has to be a significant negative.
1:17:10
Speaker 3: How much will.
1:17:12
Speaker 4: Go ahead?
1:17:14
Speaker 2: How much do they miss Parsons and then cumulatively having
1:17:17
Speaker 2: lost Craft earlier in the season.
1:17:18
Speaker 3: Et cetera.
1:17:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think green Bay we tracked this. I think
1:17:23
Speaker 4: Green Bay has the worst injury luck this season of
1:17:26
Speaker 4: all the NFL teams. You could argue Watson as their
1:17:31
Speaker 4: third most important offensive player, second most offensive player and
1:17:34
Speaker 4: he's been hurt.
1:17:35
Speaker 3: No, he's hurt again, but that's the norm. He's always hurt.
1:17:39
Speaker 4: He is. But when he came back, he made a
1:17:41
Speaker 4: big different. They're a different offense with him in there.
1:17:43
Speaker 4: They just are. They look much better they average, they
1:17:47
Speaker 4: look better in the passing game. They're a better team
1:17:49
Speaker 4: with him in there. I think it's I think Parsons,
1:17:52
Speaker 4: you know, for defensive players. You talked about it earlier.
1:17:55
Speaker 4: Quarterbacks move the spread if they go out, defensive players
1:17:58
Speaker 4: usually don't look like Parsons might be worth a point.
1:18:01
Speaker 4: I'd argue he's probably worth more than that. Third in
1:18:05
Speaker 4: the NFL and pressures this year at seventy nine. Here's
1:18:08
Speaker 4: a good stat for He had seventy nine quarterback pressures
1:18:11
Speaker 4: this year, third in the NFL. The next best on
1:18:14
Speaker 4: Green Bay is Rashaan Gary with twenty eight. That's fifty
1:18:17
Speaker 4: one fewer pressures on the quarterback.
1:18:20
Speaker 2: And Parsons is being double team than Gary wasn't. Let's
1:18:24
Speaker 2: add all of that in. I just think that these
1:18:27
Speaker 2: losses are more compelling than people think, and I think
1:18:30
Speaker 2: most Packer fans agree with me. I think most Packer
1:18:32
Speaker 2: fans think the team's chances of winning a championship which
1:18:36
Speaker 2: looked really bright two weeks ago, our dog one near shot.
1:18:40
Speaker 2: I mean, am I being too negative? No?
1:18:43
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough now.
1:18:45
Speaker 4: The loss of Parsons is huge, And you mentioned Kraft.
1:18:48
Speaker 4: You know, teams don't have to game plan for Parsons now,
1:18:51
Speaker 4: they don't have to double team. That's a huge, huge,
1:18:53
Speaker 4: huge loss. I think their chances have dwindled drastically since
1:18:57
Speaker 4: the injuries last week.
1:18:58
Speaker 2: Well, and let's also mention that they lost Devonte Wyatt,
1:19:01
Speaker 2: so the Packers are now without their best run stopper
1:19:04
Speaker 2: and probably the first or second best pass rusher. I
1:19:07
Speaker 2: don't know that anybody's better than Miles Garrett of Cleveland,
1:19:10
Speaker 2: but Parsons is a unique and extraordinary player who's affected things.
1:19:14
Speaker 2: The other thing, of course, is there's still multiple weeks
1:19:17
Speaker 2: left in the regular season, and there's lots of injuries
1:19:19
Speaker 2: to come, not only for Green Bay but for everybody else.
1:19:22
Speaker 2: And you know, at the end of the season, the
1:19:24
Speaker 2: team that wins the Super Bowl is off and the
1:19:26
Speaker 2: team that was less impacted by injuries. All right, that's
1:19:29
Speaker 2: our preview. It's time to get some point spread picks.
1:19:32
Speaker 2: I do want to mention our schedule here. Our next
1:19:35
Speaker 2: football segment will be We've got a unique schedule next week,
1:19:38
Speaker 2: Christmas Week. Because of Christmas, we're not going to be
1:19:41
Speaker 2: releasing the podcast on Thursday, which is Christmas Day.
1:19:45
Speaker 3: Instead, the final podcast.
1:19:46
Speaker 2: Of the week is going to be released on Friday,
1:19:49
Speaker 2: So when you're looking for the football segment next week,
1:19:51
Speaker 2: that podcast is going to come out on Friday. So
1:19:55
Speaker 2: for the purposes of our picks here, any game between
1:19:58
Speaker 2: Thursday night of this week, and I don't think there
1:20:01
Speaker 2: are any games on Christmas. Maybe the NFL is a
1:20:04
Speaker 2: Christmas Day game, but we don't have a line on
1:20:05
Speaker 2: that anyway. But for the next week, those are the
1:20:08
Speaker 2: games that are available for us. Paul, you get by
1:20:10
Speaker 2: the way, we should recap how everybody did last week, Yeah,
1:20:14
Speaker 2: Paul said.
1:20:15
Speaker 3: Please do. I lost.
1:20:17
Speaker 2: I thought that Dallas would beat the Vikings by six,
1:20:19
Speaker 2: or Dallas is favorite again this week. I'm done with Dallas.
1:20:25
Speaker 2: Dallas is just like Kansas City. Kansas City was favorite
1:20:28
Speaker 2: all the time and they just never won. Dallas couldn't
1:20:31
Speaker 2: beat the Vikings. They lost their game. Paul took the
1:20:34
Speaker 2: Steelers to beat the Dolphins, by more than three. It
1:20:37
Speaker 2: was a thirteen point game, but it was really a wipeout.
1:20:40
Speaker 2: Miami quit in fact, breaking news today to at taga
1:20:44
Speaker 2: Oola's time, and Miami's probably done. They benched him and
1:20:47
Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to come back for the
1:20:49
Speaker 2: regular season. And Mike took a game that was played
1:20:52
Speaker 2: this week. Jacksonville State was a three point underdog against
1:20:55
Speaker 2: Troy and they beat them seventeen to thirteen.
1:20:58
Speaker 3: So we're all underwater.
1:21:00
Speaker 2: But Mike's making a late season run and I'm still
1:21:02
Speaker 2: floundering and Paul and I are.
1:21:04
Speaker 3: Duking it out for we actually duke get it out
1:21:06
Speaker 3: for the lead.
1:21:07
Speaker 2: But see what happens, all right, Paul, we get to
1:21:09
Speaker 2: get a pick from you.
1:21:14
Speaker 3: He wants to know the over under in the rams
1:21:15
Speaker 3: Seahawks game. All right.
1:21:19
Speaker 2: If we talked about a second game this weekend, I
1:21:21
Speaker 2: didn't want to because I wanted to spend so much
1:21:23
Speaker 2: time on the Packers. That would have been clearly the game.
1:21:25
Speaker 2: It's probably the marquee game of the week. Let's find
1:21:28
Speaker 2: it here. Oh that's right, it's the Thursday night game.
1:21:32
Speaker 2: It's the Thursday night game. Than today, we're releasing the
1:21:35
Speaker 2: podcast on Thursday. So what's tonight. The over under in
1:21:37
Speaker 2: that game is forty three and a half. Eagles and
1:21:45
Speaker 2: the Commanders. Oh that's a Saturday. You're right, these games
1:21:57
Speaker 2: are all early. There's two Saturday games this week in
1:21:59
Speaker 2: addition to the Thursday game, the Eagles and the Commanders.
1:22:02
Speaker 2: They play actually Saturday afternoon. The Eagles are favored on
1:22:05
Speaker 2: the road by six and a half. You're going to
1:22:08
Speaker 2: take the Eagles. Boy, Washington just looks toast, don't they.
1:22:16
Speaker 2: They have nothing to play for, Paul says, and the
1:22:18
Speaker 2: Eagles do. They are a better team, As I said,
1:22:23
Speaker 2: I think I said it last week. I don't recall
1:22:26
Speaker 2: a team ever dropping off more from one season to
1:22:28
Speaker 2: the next than Washington. And a lot of people thought
1:22:31
Speaker 2: that this was the year. You know, Washington went to
1:22:32
Speaker 2: the NFC Championship Game last year, and a lot of
1:22:35
Speaker 2: people thought this was the year that they were going
1:22:36
Speaker 2: to go to.
1:22:36
Speaker 3: The Super Bowl.
1:22:37
Speaker 2: And instead they have one of the worst records in
1:22:40
Speaker 2: the entire NFL.
1:22:42
Speaker 3: The Eagles are weird.
1:22:43
Speaker 2: I mean, they have just dominant some weeks and not
1:22:47
Speaker 2: very good others. But Washington just seems right now to
1:22:50
Speaker 2: be consistently terrible. The quarterbacks always banged up, and the
1:22:54
Speaker 2: coach seems to have lost control of the operation. I
1:22:57
Speaker 2: don't disagree with Paul. What do you think, Mike?
1:23:00
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I wouldn't take Philly neck. Ye, I don't.
1:23:02
Speaker 4: I don't like Philly Philly. You gotta remember I had
1:23:05
Speaker 4: lost three straight games going into last week and they
1:23:08
Speaker 4: beat the Raiders. Raiders have quit. Raiders had seventy five
1:23:11
Speaker 4: totally yards in the game last week. They're done for
1:23:13
Speaker 4: the season. I'm not sold on Philly. Washington's still playing hard.
1:23:17
Speaker 4: They beat the Giants last week on the road as
1:23:19
Speaker 4: an underdog, and the Giants were coming off by week.
1:23:22
Speaker 4: Their last home game they lost to Denver by one point.
1:23:25
Speaker 4: I would not lay close to a touchdown of Philadelphia
1:23:28
Speaker 4: in this game. I just don't trust Philadelphia at all.
1:23:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't either. But I think that Washington is
1:23:34
Speaker 2: just fading away and banged up. But the quarterback is
1:23:37
Speaker 2: still is still playing. Daniels is still there and so on. Okay,
1:23:40
Speaker 2: time to get a pick from Mike. Where are we going?
1:23:43
Speaker 2: Let's go?
1:23:46
Speaker 4: Well, I had a Tuesday game in the Bulls. I
1:23:48
Speaker 4: don't want to look that far ahead this weegaon. I'm
1:23:50
Speaker 4: gonna I'm gonna look at the NFL.
1:23:51
Speaker 3: How about the.
1:23:54
Speaker 4: Let's look at Pittsburgh Detroit on Sunday.
1:23:57
Speaker 2: That's a good game, Aaron Rodgers playing the Lions.
1:24:01
Speaker 3: Let's see you here.
1:24:02
Speaker 2: That game is in Detroit. The Lions are favored by seven.
1:24:07
Speaker 2: I got to admit, Pittsburgh has exceeded my expectations. They're
1:24:11
Speaker 2: not really good, but they're better than I thought they
1:24:12
Speaker 2: were going to be. And Rodgers is playing very very well.
1:24:16
Speaker 2: And Detroit is what they are, not as good as
1:24:18
Speaker 2: last year, but still very good. Not so much on defense,
1:24:21
Speaker 2: but they still have an elite offense. Lions are favored
1:24:23
Speaker 2: by seven at home.
1:24:27
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take Detroit in that game.
1:24:29
Speaker 3: You are okay? Tell us why?
1:24:30
Speaker 4: Yeah? First of all, I liked that they're coming off
1:24:33
Speaker 4: a loss last week at the Rams, which was expected.
1:24:36
Speaker 4: Their Rams were almost a touchdown favorite in that game.
1:24:40
Speaker 4: Detroit coming off a loss the last fifteen times they've
1:24:43
Speaker 4: lost the game the next week fifteen in all straight out,
1:24:46
Speaker 4: fourteen and one against the spread. That goes back to
1:24:49
Speaker 4: back a couple of years. They're just really good off
1:24:51
Speaker 4: a loss. You're getting Pittsburgh on short rest on Monday night.
1:24:55
Speaker 4: They played Monday night in the last since the start
1:24:58
Speaker 4: of last season. They're all four against the spread and
1:25:01
Speaker 4: straight up on a short week, and they're on the road.
1:25:05
Speaker 4: I like the fact that Detroit Detroit led by ten
1:25:08
Speaker 4: last week at the Rams, who are arguably the best
1:25:11
Speaker 4: team in the NFL, and they blew it. So the
1:25:14
Speaker 4: last fourteen times under Dan Campbell where they blew a
1:25:18
Speaker 4: seven point or more lead and lost, they're eleven to
1:25:21
Speaker 4: three against the spread, so they bounce back well the
1:25:23
Speaker 4: next week. Steelers have a negative yards per game, negative
1:25:26
Speaker 4: yards per play differential. They've got some injuries. I'm guessing
1:25:29
Speaker 4: what won't play again won't play this week. And I
1:25:32
Speaker 4: like the fact Detroit has five home wins this year.
1:25:35
Speaker 4: They've all been by seven or more, and they've been
1:25:36
Speaker 4: by an average of eighteen points per game. I think
1:25:38
Speaker 4: Detroit wins by at least ten in this game.
1:25:41
Speaker 3: Well, you persuaded me. I love the lesser balls.
1:25:45
Speaker 2: I just think there's always one or maybe two games
1:25:49
Speaker 2: per year in which you can find a real opportunity,
1:25:52
Speaker 2: and I've done really well over the last few years
1:25:56
Speaker 2: on them. Two years ago, I really like South Florida
1:25:58
Speaker 2: game they played. I think they play Syracuse and when
1:26:00
Speaker 2: forty five to nothing, I'm pretty good at them. My
1:26:03
Speaker 2: problem is the two that I found are both within
1:26:08
Speaker 2: the next week on Christmas Eve. Let's see California place Hawaii,
1:26:15
Speaker 2: and it's the ball game in Hawaii, and Hawaii's in it.
1:26:19
Speaker 2: It's a home game for them. This is not the
1:26:21
Speaker 2: pick that I'm going to use, but I really wrestled
1:26:23
Speaker 2: with it. California fired their coach and the transfer portal
1:26:28
Speaker 2: is going to be overwhelmed with cal players leaving as
1:26:30
Speaker 2: a new regime comes into place over there. In the meantime,
1:26:33
Speaker 2: Hawaii had its best season in a long long time,
1:26:37
Speaker 2: and it's the first Bowl game in a number of years.
1:26:40
Speaker 2: They're actually a dog. And I wish I could make
1:26:44
Speaker 2: next week's pick be that Paul. Could I put in
1:26:46
Speaker 2: two weeks and just a sign whatever I have in
1:26:48
Speaker 2: the next week's thing. But I just fought through this
1:26:51
Speaker 2: and there's just a game that I like a little
1:26:53
Speaker 2: bit better.
1:26:53
Speaker 3: And that game is.
1:26:56
Speaker 2: On Thursday night tonight as we do the podcast. It's
1:26:59
Speaker 2: a game, really obscure ballgame. Missouri State plays Arkansas State,
1:27:04
Speaker 2: and I want to get the line that we have
1:27:06
Speaker 2: on that right now. Should have had that ready since
1:27:09
Speaker 2: I knew I was going to pick it. It's out
1:27:12
Speaker 2: of sync in the rotation for some reason. I think
1:27:15
Speaker 2: it's one. Yeah, Arkansas State is favored by one point
1:27:21
Speaker 2: in the game, and I'm going to take Arkansas State.
1:27:25
Speaker 2: Missouri State's coach quit. He got a job at Coastal Carolina,
1:27:29
Speaker 2: which to show you where Missouri State lands in the
1:27:32
Speaker 2: pecking go to have things. Coastal Carolina's apparently an upgrade,
1:27:36
Speaker 2: and the Missouri State coach has left. They haven't even
1:27:38
Speaker 2: named a replacement yet. It appears as though the coach
1:27:42
Speaker 2: who left, Beard is going to take several of the
1:27:45
Speaker 2: staffers at Missouri State with him, including the guy who's
1:27:48
Speaker 2: the interim coach in tonight's game. It's Bobby Petrino's son,
1:27:52
Speaker 2: Nick Petrino, is going to be the interim coach. So
1:27:55
Speaker 2: Missouri State's kind of a mess. I suspect that anybody
1:27:58
Speaker 2: on Missouri State's team that was pretty good is pondering
1:28:01
Speaker 2: the transfer portal to move to a bigger program, and
1:28:04
Speaker 2: the head coach who had been there was gone. In
1:28:07
Speaker 2: the meantime, Arkansas State, obscure as the team is, actually
1:28:11
Speaker 2: has stability.
1:28:13
Speaker 3: Their coach is a.
1:28:14
Speaker 2: Big name coach who got canned in a couple of
1:28:17
Speaker 2: jobs and he's been down there for several years. Butch Jones,
1:28:20
Speaker 2: who you may remember from Tennessee, Cincinnati, and I think
1:28:23
Speaker 2: Central Michigan. He's coached there and they've played very well
1:28:26
Speaker 2: down the stretch. Now they're one of these teams that
1:28:29
Speaker 2: when they win, it's always a close win, but they've
1:28:32
Speaker 2: played rather gritty. This game is in Frisco, Texas. Probably
1:28:36
Speaker 2: doesn't mean much for either team. There's probably going to
1:28:38
Speaker 2: be almost nobody there the end of the season six
1:28:41
Speaker 2: and six, but the quarterback is going to be playing.
1:28:44
Speaker 2: I haven't read anything about players leaving for the transfer portal.
1:28:48
Speaker 2: And in addition to that, Butch Jones's ball game record
1:28:51
Speaker 2: over this multiple schools is very very good. So I'm
1:28:55
Speaker 2: going to lay one point with Arkansas State because of
1:28:59
Speaker 2: the stability and the program. I also think the two leagues,
1:29:03
Speaker 2: the Sun Belt was the better of the two leagues.
1:29:06
Speaker 2: Missouri State was in a Conference USA, and I think
1:29:09
Speaker 2: that they played a better schedule, And I think that
1:29:12
Speaker 2: there's the potential here for an Arkansas State team that
1:29:15
Speaker 2: is a pretty good offense. Neither team is good defense
1:29:18
Speaker 2: to just go over in steamroll Missouri State team, that's
1:29:22
Speaker 2: all screwed up. You know, Missouri State had a better
1:29:24
Speaker 2: season everybody expected, but now the coach quit, the players
1:29:27
Speaker 2: are looking for the portal. Weirdly, Missouri State was not
1:29:31
Speaker 2: going to be eligible for a ball because it's their
1:29:34
Speaker 2: first year in full Division one FBS. But there were
1:29:38
Speaker 2: so few teams that were ball eligible, and then teams
1:29:41
Speaker 2: like Notre Dame that opted out. They created an exemption
1:29:45
Speaker 2: so Missouri State can get in. They shouldn't be in here,
1:29:48
Speaker 2: and I'm going to take Arkansas State.
1:29:50
Speaker 3: Now.
1:29:50
Speaker 2: We know that Mike got to win last week with
1:29:52
Speaker 2: Jacksonville State, so I know he looks at these lesser balls.
1:29:55
Speaker 2: Do you have any Do you think I'm right about
1:29:56
Speaker 2: this or would you be on the other team?
1:29:58
Speaker 4: Well, first off, my second pick, if I had to pick,
1:30:02
Speaker 4: was going to be Hawaii for sure.
1:30:03
Speaker 3: Oh so.
1:30:05
Speaker 2: Hawaii. By the way, One other thing I should mention
1:30:08
Speaker 2: on the Hawaii team. Way back in the day when
1:30:11
Speaker 2: there were nowhere near as many cable channels and they
1:30:13
Speaker 2: weren't as many games on TV. The Hawaii game was off,
1:30:17
Speaker 2: which often would start at like eleven at night or midnight.
1:30:19
Speaker 2: I would stay up and I'd watch that game. Their
1:30:22
Speaker 2: quarterback was a guy named way back this June Jones,
1:30:24
Speaker 2: the former NFL coach, was the coach, and Timmy Chang
1:30:27
Speaker 2: was their quarterback and he just set all the passing records.
1:30:31
Speaker 2: His backup was Nick Rolovich. Nick Rolovich is the interim
1:30:34
Speaker 2: coach for California in this game, and Timmy Chang coaches Hawaii.
1:30:37
Speaker 2: So there they come full circle, all this needless information,
1:30:41
Speaker 2: So you would have steered me to Hawaii instead.
1:30:43
Speaker 4: But well, yeah, I mean because we used Missouri State,
1:30:46
Speaker 4: we used opposite of what you just said.
1:30:47
Speaker 3: Oh you think I'm wrong about this, tell me why.
1:30:50
Speaker 4: We didn't use it as a big play, but we
1:30:52
Speaker 4: used as small play. Tomorrow night, you had a lot
1:30:54
Speaker 4: of good points about the coaching. That was our one
1:30:57
Speaker 4: downside in this game. But all all these instance that
1:31:00
Speaker 4: everyone stayed. I know they still have some distractions going on.
1:31:04
Speaker 4: Everyone stayed, and from everything we've heard, they are absolutely
1:31:08
Speaker 4: thrilled to be in this game. They've never been in
1:31:09
Speaker 4: a bowl game, and I know they shouldn't be in
1:31:12
Speaker 4: the bowl game because they had to make an exemption.
1:31:14
Speaker 4: But they were seven and five. They weren't a bad team.
1:31:16
Speaker 4: It's not like they were had a losing record and
1:31:19
Speaker 4: didn't deserve to be in a bowl. They just couldn't
1:31:21
Speaker 4: be in a bawl. They weren't supposed to be in it.
1:31:22
Speaker 2: I still have an image of earlier in this season.
1:31:24
Speaker 2: I took USC against them, and USC scoring. I think
1:31:28
Speaker 2: east them.
1:31:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. Arkansas State I think is decent. They
1:31:33
Speaker 4: had to win five of their last seven just to
1:31:35
Speaker 4: get into a ball, and three of those five wins
1:31:38
Speaker 4: were by one point. Like you said, they win, they
1:31:40
Speaker 4: win games close.
1:31:42
Speaker 2: I just I like but they were pretty good teams
1:31:45
Speaker 2: and the Sun Belt was was a stronger league than
1:31:47
Speaker 2: normal this year.
1:31:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Missouri State's the better team. We haven't
1:31:53
Speaker 4: power rated better. I think if both teams play their game,
1:31:56
Speaker 4: I think Missouri State wins. But the coaching stuff does
1:31:59
Speaker 4: make well.
1:32:00
Speaker 2: Can I change I've picked out of Hawaii since Mike
1:32:02
Speaker 2: agrees with me, I can tell you this, there's no way.
1:32:05
Speaker 3: Both of those are going to be losers. One of
1:32:07
Speaker 3: them is going to win.
1:32:08
Speaker 2: I still Mike's nay saying me on Arkansas State, but
1:32:11
Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm gonna stick with it. I think
1:32:14
Speaker 2: that their quarterback is better Mike talks about the power
1:32:16
Speaker 2: ratings being better. I think that the better team and
1:32:19
Speaker 2: I just like to go against teams that have instability,
1:32:22
Speaker 2: and you're right, all the assistants are there and players
1:32:25
Speaker 2: are excited about playing the game and so on. I
1:32:27
Speaker 2: think Arkansas State's a better team. Okay, recapping everybody's picks,
1:32:32
Speaker 2: I take Arkansas State to beat Missouri State by two
1:32:36
Speaker 2: or more. Paul says, take the Eagles to beat Washington
1:32:40
Speaker 2: by seven or more, and Mike's taking the Lions to
1:32:43
Speaker 2: beat the Steelers by more than seven points.
1:32:45
Speaker 3: And again.
1:32:46
Speaker 2: The football segment will be on a podcast that will
1:32:49
Speaker 2: be released on Friday of next week. And my next
1:32:52
Speaker 2: podcast overall will be Christmas Week next week and that'll
1:32:56
Speaker 2: come out on Monday.
1:32:57
Speaker 3: Talk to you soon.
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