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Lisa Kessler · Postcards to the Universe

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Postcards to the Universe with Melissa Capria. Do
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  Speaker 1: you believe in magic? What if you were told that
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  Speaker 1: all you had to do was get a little creative
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  Speaker 1: and work a magic spell to bring anything you can
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  Speaker 1: imagine into your life. Here on Postcards to the Universe,
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  Speaker 1: we will share manifesting tips, postcards, creativity, abundance, and prosperity.
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  Speaker 1: Here's your host, Melissa Capria.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everybody, and welcome to Postcards to the Universe with
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  Speaker 2: Melissa Creating the life you create. It's Wednesday. How are
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  Speaker 2: you guys doing. I hope everybody's doing well. I love
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  Speaker 2: my Wednesdays because I always have really cool guests on
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  Speaker 2: and have I get to have great conversations, and today
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  Speaker 2: is no different. I have authome and creator of the
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  Speaker 2: Practical Tarro Method, Lisa Kessler, and I'm really excited to
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  Speaker 2: talk to her, especially.
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  Speaker 3: Because which is so weird how this happens for me.
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  Speaker 2: But even before I really scheduled Lisa, I knew that
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to start learning how to read Toro cards.
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  Speaker 3: So I've been practicing.
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  Speaker 4: I've been practicing, and yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Was the first time, Lisa that I put on Facebook
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  Speaker 2: to just some friends. Hey, I need practice asking me
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  Speaker 2: one question and I'll give you a three card spread.
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  Speaker 3: So it's been fun learning.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm really love I'm really excited to talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: So just for your people that are tuning in, if
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  Speaker 2: you're new to my show, I just want to say welcome,
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  Speaker 2: and I hope you enjoy today's show.
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  Speaker 3: And if you do and you want to listen to
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  Speaker 3: some of my other guests.
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  Speaker 2: You can always find my show on any of your
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  Speaker 2: favorite podcasting platforms. You can also find it on my website,
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  Speaker 2: Postcards to the Universe dot com. I put up all
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  Speaker 2: the shows under podcasts and Own Times Radio, which.
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  Speaker 3: Is what we're recording on right now.
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  Speaker 2: You can find all the shows in the archives, and
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  Speaker 2: there's always a description about my guest and about the show,
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  Speaker 2: so it gives you an idea of what we're going
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  Speaker 2: to be talking about. So I hope that you come
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  Speaker 2: back and listen to more shows.
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  Speaker 3: And a little bit about me. My background is I'm
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  Speaker 3: a photographer. I'm a visual artist. That's actually my background.
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  Speaker 3: And I came out with a book.
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  Speaker 2: God, I can't believe it's been so long twenty nineteen
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  Speaker 2: titled Postcards to the Universe. Harness the Universe's power and
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  Speaker 2: manifest your dreams. And I have people create manifesting postcards.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of like a vision board mini vision board.
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  Speaker 2: They send me their postcard, I photograph it, and when
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  Speaker 2: their manifestation shows up in the reality, I share their story.
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  Speaker 2: So you can check out my book and find it
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  Speaker 2: at Barnes and Noble, Amazon favorite bookstore. And I have
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  Speaker 2: thirty of those in the book and I'm hoping to
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  Speaker 2: release a second edition. I'm waiting talking to my publisher
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  Speaker 2: now so we'll see. And I have new photos. So
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  Speaker 2: it's been quite a journey and I just love it.
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  Speaker 2: And if you want to know more about making a
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  Speaker 2: manifesting postcard, just go to my website Postcards to Universe
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  Speaker 2: dot com.
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  Speaker 3: You'll see how to.
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  Speaker 2: Make one, where to send it, and of course you
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  Speaker 2: can reach out to me if you have any questions.
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  Speaker 2: I love helping people create them. Okay, so let me
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  Speaker 2: give you a little info about today's guest. Lisa Kessler
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  Speaker 2: so with two decades of professional terro experience. She is
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  Speaker 2: the creator of the Practical Terro Deck and the author
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  Speaker 2: of the Practical Terrot Method Learning to read Terro cards Intuitively.
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  Speaker 2: She offers readings globally and teaches her practical TERRRO approach
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  Speaker 2: both in person and online.
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  Speaker 3: A dedicated educator, Lisa also.
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  Speaker 2: Developed to Row for Writers, a course presented at numerous
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  Speaker 2: writers conferences that sounds really interesting aimed at fostering creative intuition.
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  Speaker 2: She has a YouTube channel which she features weekly to
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  Speaker 2: Row readings and the practical to Row method empowers readers
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  Speaker 2: to confidently connect with their intuition and understand the cards,
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  Speaker 2: using to row as a tool for spiritual guidance. The
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  Speaker 2: book provides practical exercises and diverse applications including meditation, journaling,
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  Speaker 2: and creative inspiration. It also features her inclusive practical to
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  Speaker 2: Row deck, showcasing a wide range of human diversity, with
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  Speaker 2: a thirty two page color insert displaying the full deck.
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  Speaker 3: And if you want to find out more about her,
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  Speaker 3: go to her.
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  Speaker 2: Website which is www dot author Lisakessler dot com and
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  Speaker 2: her last name is spelled kess Ler. Welcome, Lisa, Thanks
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  Speaker 2: so much for being here with me today.
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  Speaker 4: Hi, thanks so much for inviting me, and I love
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  Speaker 4: love that you are learning, Caro, and I just love
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  Speaker 4: when the universe brings you together at just the right moment,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I just think that is the coolest, Like
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  Speaker 4: it's winking at us exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And now when I talk to you, I can understand things.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit better than if I had no idea.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I've always been fascinated with the cards, and I
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  Speaker 2: always kind of thought, oh my god, it's so complicated.
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  Speaker 3: But what's kind of interesting is I've.
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  Speaker 2: Been learning more by following some YouTubers about astrology and
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  Speaker 2: that sort of sparked adding the astrology part with the cards,
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  Speaker 2: and for some reason, it's kind of like clicking now
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  Speaker 2: in my brain, you know, a little at a time.
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  Speaker 2: And I bought myself one of those decks that have
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  Speaker 2: the words you know, that go along with the.
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  Speaker 3: With the with the cars is what the court cards are.
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  Speaker 2: So that way, as I'm practicing, I'm getting to know
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  Speaker 2: what each card means.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trusting my intuition. And then I also have a
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  Speaker 3: pendulum that I used to kind of come firm for me,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I never picking things up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So how did you get into doing the toureau
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  Speaker 2: And was it something you've always done and that you've
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  Speaker 2: just loved or is it something you sort of stumbled into?
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  Speaker 4: Well, funny story, sounds kind of similar. To you. I
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  Speaker 4: have always loved Tarot, and when I graduated from high school,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, I'm going to be so good
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  Speaker 4: with Tarot cards. I'm going to be an amazing psychic reader.
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  Speaker 4: And everyone tells you to get the writer Weight deck
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  Speaker 4: is the original starter deck. So I got that and
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  Speaker 4: I opened it up and every card had like angry
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  Speaker 4: men on it, and I just couldn't. I couldn't. I
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  Speaker 4: couldn't get any message.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to so many I know, right, there's so
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  Speaker 2: many cool decks now, and then you just created your own,
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  Speaker 2: which I love.
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  Speaker 3: Right, You're just like, I'm just gonna make my own deck.
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  Speaker 4: Well, actually, I of course obviously I couldn't connect with
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  Speaker 4: that deck, and I couldn't seem to memorize the book,
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  Speaker 4: and I just thought, you know, I am not smart
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  Speaker 4: enough for Tarot. This is so sad. So I just
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  Speaker 4: collected decks because I liked the artwork and they were beautiful,
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  Speaker 4: and I think because I had so many decks that
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  Speaker 4: when I finally connected with one, I was like, huh,
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  Speaker 4: there's a cycle. The minor arcana has a cycle, and
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  Speaker 4: the major arcana has a cycle.
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  Speaker 5: Wait are these.
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  Speaker 4: Symbols on these other decks, and I started pulling them out,
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  Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, I realized, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 4: I can read off any Tarot deck. And so that
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  Speaker 4: kind of was the blossoming. And then when I started
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  Speaker 4: to recognize cards by by symbols and by cycles, I
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  Speaker 4: started to realize when I read for other people, different
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  Speaker 4: symbols would jump off the same card, and I thought
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  Speaker 4: these must be readings for them, and it kind of
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  Speaker 4: just grew, and eventually I started reading for other people
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  Speaker 4: and to me, Taro reflects our own lives, the cycles
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  Speaker 4: in our lives. I mean, you talk about manifesting too,
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  Speaker 4: but we always wanted to be a straight line to
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  Speaker 4: the dream, and it never is. It's like two steps forward,
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  Speaker 4: one step back, three steps forward, two steps back.
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  Speaker 5: You know, life is messy, and so.
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  Speaker 4: Basically, when I started to realize that Taro reflects that
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  Speaker 4: in our lives as a reader, it also is giving
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  Speaker 4: you messages that you resonate with. Everybody has a different
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  Speaker 4: life experience, and so when I started teaching taro, that's
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  Speaker 4: where the practical Tarot method really came out, because I
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  Speaker 4: think that you become a better Tarot reader when you
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  Speaker 4: trust your intuition and your life experience. You drew that
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  Speaker 4: card for a reason, and maybe you drew that card.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes it can be literal, like some people see the
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  Speaker 4: King cards as their dad. And if you draw the
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  Speaker 4: King card and the first thing that pops in your
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  Speaker 4: head is my dad, Please call your dad. That was
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  Speaker 4: the reason you got that card. Doesn't matter what the
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  Speaker 4: book says. If that's the card you associate with your.
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  Speaker 5: Dad and he was the first.
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  Speaker 4: Thing that popped in your mind when you turned over
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  Speaker 4: that card, that was your message. And if I can
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  Speaker 4: help people to find taro as a youthful that's why
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  Speaker 4: I call it practical, a youthful everyday tool. You can
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  Speaker 4: really become best friends with your intuition, and the cards
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  Speaker 4: can become validations for you. Sometimes. I'm a fiction writer,
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  Speaker 4: and so I teach Taro for write and I've found
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  Speaker 4: over the years that I love writing books with my
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  Speaker 4: Tarot cards because when I start getting.
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  Speaker 5: In my own head where I'm like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: What happens next, and I don't know will this will
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  Speaker 4: my agent be able to sell this? I don't know. Well,
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  Speaker 4: readers like is this marketable right now? Maybe I should
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  Speaker 4: see what the trends. Are you completely cut off your
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  Speaker 4: crown chakra. You no longer have writer intuition, you have
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  Speaker 4: writer doubt. And you can instantly shuffle tarot cards, spread
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  Speaker 4: them out and have the intention of what happens next,
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  Speaker 4: and pull a card, and I kid you not, it
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  Speaker 4: works every single time. You're like, uh, oh, my gosh,
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  Speaker 4: that is what happens next. And it may be something
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  Speaker 4: that you hadn't remotely thought of, but it gets your
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  Speaker 4: ego out of the way and you get pure intuition.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I think the magic of tarot cards is
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  Speaker 4: is that when you flip over that card for one
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  Speaker 4: split second, your egos out of the way and the
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  Speaker 4: universe can give you a clear message. And that is
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  Speaker 4: a gift. And so anyway, I think everyone should do
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  Speaker 4: sterile cards. But yeah, but it is you know, daunting, right.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 2: I love the fact that everybody that I know who
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  Speaker 2: is a reader does it in their own unique way.
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  Speaker 2: And there is no necessary right way to read the cards.
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  Speaker 2: I know each card has specific meanings, but some you know,
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  Speaker 2: use more of the literal that they learned from the
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  Speaker 2: writer weight deck. And then there's others that use the
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  Speaker 2: images on the cards and some of these beautiful decks
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  Speaker 2: and the symbolism on the images to get even deeper
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  Speaker 2: into the messages, which is.
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  Speaker 3: I find really fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: There's a woman that I follow and she reads as
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  Speaker 2: a storyteller.
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  Speaker 3: So as she's talking whatever.
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  Speaker 2: She's talking about, and she's turning over the cards, she'll
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  Speaker 2: get she'll get into how that that specific card relates
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  Speaker 2: to the subject that she's talking.
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  Speaker 3: About in the story. And let's not allow her story.
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  Speaker 2: And I think watching like people like you and other readers,
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  Speaker 2: it took it down for me about being intimidated by it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because you know, like you like if you
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  Speaker 2: want to be a good student, you know you want
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  Speaker 2: to follow it exactly. And sometimes you think, I'm just
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  Speaker 2: not going to get it because I just.
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  Speaker 3: Can't figure this out.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're if you're open to just saying, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, let me just see and play with the
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  Speaker 2: deck and just kind of see where it takes me,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I love that.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, And and I when I made the Practical
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  Speaker 4: Parrot Deck, I actually in the guidebook gave every single
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  Speaker 4: card like a little meditation or journal question at the end,
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  Speaker 4: so that you can develop your own personal relationship with
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  Speaker 4: what that card means to you, because what the four
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  Speaker 4: of cups means to me may not be exactly the
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  Speaker 4: same as what it means to you. And I feel
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  Speaker 4: like if you can get a personal connection with a
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  Speaker 4: car with your cards, you can get better, faster, stronger
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  Speaker 4: at getting clear messages from the universe as opposed to
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  Speaker 4: trying to memorize. And again, if your gut that day
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  Speaker 4: zooms in over on this deer in the background and
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  Speaker 4: for you, you sag leadership, go with it, that's your message.
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  Speaker 4: So anyway, I love that you are trying out all
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  Speaker 4: these different ways of using taro because it really is
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  Speaker 4: just a tool. So I don't believe there is a
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  Speaker 4: right or wrong. There's just how can you make this
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  Speaker 4: tool work even better for you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I have a question. Do you read in reverse?
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  Speaker 3: Because I know some people do and some people don't.
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  Speaker 2: I'm learning the reverse because it's just helping me understand
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  Speaker 2: it better. I don't know moving forward, when I get
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  Speaker 2: more experience, how I'm gonna interpret the cards.
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  Speaker 3: But I know some people don't do the reverse, do you?
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  Speaker 4: Yes? I do not. I do not, And I have
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  Speaker 4: it in both the book and the Guidebook of Why not,
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  Speaker 4: but you certainly can. I know I have friend readers
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  Speaker 4: who do read reverse and they feel like it takes
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  Speaker 4: a seventy eight card deck and makes it one hundred
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  Speaker 4: and fifty six cards because they're reading reverses. However, I
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  Speaker 4: feel like as and maybe it's because I'm an old
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  Speaker 4: timer reader, but I feel like the tarot decks seventy
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  Speaker 4: eight cards really covers all the aspects of your life.
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  Speaker 4: And I do not believe that the universe would show
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  Speaker 4: you what you can't have, So like, if you turn
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  Speaker 4: over a reverse of the Sun, I don't think the
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  Speaker 4: universe is going, haha, no good luck for you, no joy.
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  Speaker 4: You know again, I don't think the universe would do
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  Speaker 4: that to you. Plus, as a reader, sometimes I'll have
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  Speaker 4: people pull their own cards, and I kid you not,
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  Speaker 4: they will sit there nervously going, I don't know which
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  Speaker 4: way to turn over. I don't you know, they're too
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  Speaker 4: scared to turn over the card because they don't want reversed.
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  Speaker 4: And I just think that that I just I don't
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  Speaker 4: believe the universe would tell you what you can't have,
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  Speaker 4: so I don't read reversals. I also think that you
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  Speaker 4: can draw with an intention that's like, what is stopping
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  Speaker 4: me and you don't need a reversal, then it's telling
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  Speaker 4: you you know so right, because.
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  Speaker 2: Well there's enough cards in the seventy eight deck of
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  Speaker 2: Challenges and Warnings and anyway, you know. And that's what
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  Speaker 2: I've heard from from others. So yeah, I'm not, you know,
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  Speaker 2: experienced enough yet to make a decision. I'm just kind
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  Speaker 2: of going with it, seeing how it works for me.
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  Speaker 2: If I feel like the reverse is something I want
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  Speaker 2: to include, then I will.
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  Speaker 3: If I don't, I won't.
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  Speaker 2: I I'm not versed enough in it yet.
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  Speaker 4: This is just right right, And again, it really comes
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  Speaker 4: down to what resonates with you. You want your metaphysical tools
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  Speaker 4: to resonate, and if you are following someone else's rules,
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  Speaker 4: then it really doesn't. So I always I'm very passionate
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  Speaker 4: about why I don't read reversals, but I certainly don't
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  Speaker 4: hold it against someone. If they go, well they resonate
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  Speaker 4: with me, that's awesome, then read reversals, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what I've heard from the different readers, So
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  Speaker 2: it makes it makes perfect sense for what you're saying
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  Speaker 2: to me. That's that's that's it's just like it's the
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  Speaker 2: same thing, Like, we're so individual, right, and our intuition,
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  Speaker 2: everybody's intuition is so individual, so you have to go
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  Speaker 2: with whatever your gut's telling you to do. So as
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  Speaker 2: a reader, how have has some of your clients been
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  Speaker 2: impacted by uh, getting reading with you?
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  Speaker 5: Well?
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  Speaker 4: I have enough of them that always come back that
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  Speaker 4: I usually hear things. Hear things like I wasn't blindsided,
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  Speaker 4: I was I was ready, or I was tapped in
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  Speaker 4: and so I was paying attention a lot of times,
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  Speaker 4: taro is. I know, movies and books, it's used as
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  Speaker 4: a plot device. You know, oh, here comes the death card.
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  Speaker 4: Someone's going to die. But that is not what the
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  Speaker 4: death card means. It's just closing a chapter and opening
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  Speaker 4: a new one. And so sometimes I feel like people
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  Speaker 4: come to a reading, and people who have never had
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  Speaker 4: a reading. I can always tell because they'll they'll sit
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  Speaker 4: down and they'll say, please don't tell me when I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to die, And I'm like, Caro, do not do that.
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  Speaker 4: That is not for us to know. And even if really,
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  Speaker 4: even if someone you know tarot cards said it's going
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  Speaker 4: to be you know, on June sixth of twenty twenty nine,
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  Speaker 4: that was for that second, you make so many decisions
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  Speaker 4: because we have free will you turn left instead, It's changed.
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  Speaker 4: Now you're going to be you know, So even if
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  Speaker 4: they could tell you, it changes so rapidly. That's why
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  Speaker 4: no one can pull tarot cards and go, oh, here's
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  Speaker 4: the lottery numbers, because there's so many free wills involved.
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  Speaker 4: By the time they draw the numbers, it's all changed.
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  Speaker 4: So so anyway, I use tarot cards usually when I'm
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  Speaker 4: doing readings for people. It's because they want insight into
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  Speaker 4: what's coming up. I do a lot of manifesting coaching,
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  Speaker 4: and we always pull cards at the end with the
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  Speaker 4: intention of your month, ahead of your goals, and so
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  Speaker 4: it will give you a message of Okay, I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to have a lot of ideas. I got the night
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  Speaker 4: of stores. I'm going to have a lot of ideas.
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  Speaker 4: I need to be organized about which one I'm working on,
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  Speaker 4: otherwise I won't finish any And then you know, we
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  Speaker 4: might get the four of cups where we're you know,
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  Speaker 4: worried about how other people are doing and how come
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  Speaker 4: mine isn't coming as easily, and you know, and so
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  Speaker 4: then we can talk about not wasting energy, comparing and that.
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  Speaker 5: Kind of thing.
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  Speaker 4: So we use tarot cards a lot to help with
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: focusing and not so much on you know, telling what's
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: what's coming. I have had one person once it came
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: in and the tower came up, and so then she
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: was wondering, you know, well everything feels fine, and I said, well,
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: the tower isn't to make you afraid.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: It's to make you.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Aware that big change is coming. But good things happened
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: from big changed. So we pulled an oracle card, and
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: the oracle card from holder her deck was disruption. And
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: I told her, you know, you came in asking for
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: a reading about your work, and I think you came
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: in because you know, on a subconscious level, your intuition's
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: going things are not right here. And she said, well,
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: I'm not unhappy, and I said, well, you wouldn't have
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: asked for a reading about your work if everything was
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: completely perfect. So I got to think that the tower
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: and the disruption have to do with your employment. So
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: if I were you, I would just start poking around
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: and see what else is out there, because there's a
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: reason the universe wants you to be aware. And she
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: came back three weeks later and said, you know what's
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: weird yesterday, I got laid off at work, but I
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: already had an interview lined up because I had poked
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: around and found this other job and I thought, oh
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: my gosh, I would love if I get that, and
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: she goes. So I wasn't even blindsided. I just knew,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: you know, that I had already set this all up,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: and so you know, that's that one was a really
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: cool moment when you know, I got the universe. Let
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: me see how tarot cards could help someone. That was
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: pretty neat.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, it's really actually neat.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've been going to readers for years, so
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: this isn't new for me. It's just new being on
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the other side and understanding the cards a little bit better.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: But it is fascinating and how accurate.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Truthfully, it's it's you know, people think, oh it's so
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: woo woo, and well maybe it is a little woo woo,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: but it's scarily accurate, right because everything is vibration and
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: energy and we're all tapping into that energy. And I
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: think when you have the cards, it's just another tool
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: to help you interpret the energy that's already existing, right,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: and it helps it down and pictures.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: And words, so we can kind of navigate what is
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: going on.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Is there a particular spread that you like to do
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: that you do on a regular basis, like you have
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: a go to or is it always different?
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: Well, in the book, I give a whole bunch of
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: my personal spreads that I do for people, and I'm
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: a goofball, so I have things like the Maya Pyramid
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: spread and I have the X wing, which is like
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: the Star Wars X wings we lay out the cards
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: in an X. But my goal is always to make
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: a spread where there's more positive than negative, and also
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: where there are not so many cards that you lose
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: your place and you forget what these cards meant. I
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: feel like, and I know that there are people who
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: love the Celtic Cross, and more power to you that
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: if that works for you, that's awesome. But what I
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: have discovered over the years is big spreads like that
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: where you've got, you know, fifteen cards, sixteen cards out there.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: It's too much information and the person I'm reading for
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: it ends up overwhelmed or they focus on just one
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: card which maybe wasn't the most important one in the spread.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: And to me, it gives people more confusion than it
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: does clarity. So I try to do spreads that have
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: fewer cards, with clear intentions, clear meanings, so and always
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: more positive than negative. I feel like if people get
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: too much thrown at them of do this, don't do that,
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: don't do that, don't do that, they leave afraid, and
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: fear is a really low vibration. You want to leave inspired,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: you know, so that you're attracted. And so I'm a
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: strong in that it's okay to have something to overcome
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: in your spread, but having you know, blocks and challenges
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: and negative and things like that just lead people scared.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: So like my maya pyramid spread has the ultimate goal
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: at the top, and then it has three things that
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: might be a challenge for you right now, but it
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: has four amazing gifts that you have to overcome. And
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: so people leave empowered that they are going to overcome it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: And here's how you know.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: They have a map.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: So to me, I don't worry so much about the
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: exact spread. I can feel it when we work together.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: A lot of the times it's just I use a
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: pendulum to pull the cards, and my primary guide, Morgan,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: pulls cards.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: She just for me.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: It gets me out of the equation. So my guide
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: is connect and they know that the universe is trying
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: to get you, and I'm kind of out of the equation.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: I just pulled the one that the.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Pendulum has changed swing and I'm like, okay, it's that one.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: And so for me, I usually use my pendulum. We
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: have an intention and we pull as many cards as
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Morgan pulls. Usually it's four or five. But usually I
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: don't use spreads as often as I use my pendulum.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: For me, that just works well. Funny story, I have
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: a weekly Mastermind and one week we do it on
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: Zoom and one week, at the end of the night,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: we always pull one card for everyone who's had the Mastermind.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: And this woman who was in California and I'm in Florida.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Morgan drew the three of wand's for her and it
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: was like, you are ready, stop second guessing the decision
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: and you made take action. This is you know fire,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: let's go. And she was like okay, okay, heard and
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: then we went to the next person and she was
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: muted and we got done. She unmuted herself like you said, can.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: I can I show you something?
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: And she was across the country on the other side
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: of the country with her own other deck, not even
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: the same deck, and she had just grew drawn the
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: three of bonds. She's like, wow, I'm a little I'm
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: a little wigged out. And she said and also heard
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: she said, I.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: Will be taking actions. It's like, okay, universe is real loud.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: And I love that you create you You created your own.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Spreads things that speak to you. That's what I find.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: So cool about the cards is is that there's so
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: much that you could do with them, and you could
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: really I mean, you could just learn so much every
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: time you do new reading.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: It's like totally fascinating. Okay, we're going to least it.
• 27:03
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• 27:05
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  Speaker 2: Taroh Method.
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  Speaker 3: Now you say taro, how do you say to I
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: can't say it the way you say it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I have to say to row it won't It won't
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: come out of my mouth the other way you say tarot?
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Taro?
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, everyone that is. That is a funny thing
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: because everyone says it different. Some people actually say tarots
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: and so anyway, it's however you say it, it's rights
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: your intuition. For me, I have the silent tea and
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: and if you say to Row, yeah, that's the.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Only way I could say it. So now, the artwork
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: on your cards are beautiful. How did you come up
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: with the artwork? Did you work with a designer an
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: artist to do it or did you create the artwork yourself?
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Yes? I found an artist. She's amazing, Holly Carton, and
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: she does watercolors and illustrations. She she's amazing. Everyone should
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: go check out her art. She posted on Instagram and
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: she has a website. She's just fantastic. And finding her
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: was really what made the whole project come to life.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: I had written a book proposal for the practical Tarot Method.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: I had finished teaching another course of it, and people
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: were like, you should write this book. And I thought, well,
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: I write fiction. I've never written a nonfiction book, and
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: they were like, no, you have to write this.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: So I thought about it.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: And I had my agent, was fiction agent, but she
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: sent me all kinds of stuff on how to write
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: a nonfiction book proposal. So I did, and then I
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: ended up breaking up with my agent and I pitched
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: it myself and I got really close, but never There
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: were three publishers in the end who were interested, but
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: one had just published a tarot book. There were lots
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: of reasons that it wasn't time, and so I showed
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: to the project, kept writing books, and then kickstarters started
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: happening for authors and anyway, I thought maybe I should
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: make a deck. I would love to have a Tarot deck,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: and so I reached out to my cover designer for
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: fiction books and she said, WHOA way too far out
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: of my wheelhouse, but I know this great illustrator. I'll
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: introduce you. So I met Holly, and Holly and I
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: had the same vision for making an inclusive, diverse kind
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: of art because that's what she does, and so she
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: knew nothing about taro and I told her that's okay,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: we'll do it together. And she made five cards with me,
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: and we did a Kickstarter and it funded, and so
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: we made all seventy eight, which took us so much
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: longer than we had realized, and we did like three
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: rounds of edits every card, but I'm so happy with
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: how they turned out, because my goal was to have
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: a deck that if you don't know anything about Taro.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: You can still get messages from it. There's enough imagery,
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: enough symbolism, enough color that you will get something off
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: of these cards even if you don't pick up the guidebook.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: And I think we accomplished that. That was the goal,
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: but I just love how it all turned out. We
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: wanted to have at least one card where you turn
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: it over and go, oh my god, it's me. We
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: have people, all ages, all sizes, all races, different disabilities
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: are represented. We just wanted everybody to be able to
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: see themselves on the cards because I feel like paro
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: is such an intuitive tool, and how can you connect
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: with it if none of the cards are you. It
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: just made me think back to that writer weight deck.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: I thought that I wasn't smart enough for Taro because
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: none of those cards spoke to me. And it was
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: and it was because I wasn't represented on any of
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: those cards, you know, I just I wasn't. So so anyway,
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: that was my goal is to make a deck where
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: you could pick it up and just start reading. So
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: and I think we accomplished it. The guidebook that the
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: publisher did, they did it in full color. Oh my gosh,
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: it's so beautiful and with all the meditation tips for
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: each and every card, I feel like people can make
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: their own relationship with Taro with their own deck and
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: get messages that are very intuitive, or at least that's
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: the goal. But it couldn't have happened without Holly's beautiful art.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: And I really feel like the universe pointed me to
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: her it just the right moment. I mean, it was
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: just everything came together, and once I had the deck,
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: I went back to the publishers who were interested in
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: the book and said, how about the book bok and
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: a deck, and then it put off from there. So
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: it was great and I went, Okay, Universe, I see
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: how you wanted it to come out.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: I love that it's beautiful. The images are beautiful.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: That's what I love about the to row decks is
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: they're all so different, but they really are.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: They're gorgeous. The color is just such a beautiful deck.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I can see that, and you can see
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: how everybody's represented in the deck, which is really nice. Yeah,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: and that that leads me to the question of people
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: who are listening who are like, I'm kind of interested.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: How do I pick a deck? What would you suggest?
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's a great question. So it used to be
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: in the olden days that you could only you could
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: only see what was the three cards they showed you
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: on the back of the deck. But nowadays there are
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: so many great YouTubers who will do a flip of
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: the entire deck. So if you're interested in a tar
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: deck and you think from the three pictures you can
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: see on Amazon and you go, huh, I think I
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: might click with this deck, I highly recommend that you
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: hop on YouTube and find someone who is doing a
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: flip of the entire deck and take a look and
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: see how you connect with them with those cards. Because
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: for me, the image on the card is the most
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: important part. Yes, the guidebook is important to give you
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: some you know, groundwork in case you do pull a
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: card and go huh, I don't know, you can reach
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: for the book. But for me, when you're using Taro
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: as a creative tool, or as a tool to help
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: you in your life, or a meditation tool, it's turning
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: that card over. It's that moment of discovery and it's
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: the image that clicks with your intuitions. So if you
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: have a deck like I did with Right or Way,
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: where every card you turn over, you go, huh that
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: it needs to be a deck where every card and
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: you can see it on YouTube when they're doing their
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: flips where every card they flip, you're like, oh, huh
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: oh you know, then you know that is a deck
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: for you. You resonate with that deck. And sometimes it's
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: fun themed decks too, like if you love dragons, oh
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: my gosh, go get the Crystal Visions Taro. It's full
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: of dragons and amazing things, you know. And they they
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: make these themed decks for you know, movies and TV now,
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: although I have yet to find one where I'm like, huh,
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: so they're more into the theme than they are into
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: Taro really. But but you can find all of these decks,
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: usually on YouTube or Pinterest. I've noticed on Pinterest people
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: will put up their whole deck. Occasionally, reviewers on Amazon
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: will post pictures. I saw a couple of reviews for
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Practical Taro where they have a whole deck laid out,
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: which is really helpful to somebody who's looking, because really,
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: if you don't resonate with those images, that's not going
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: to be a great deck for you. And I know
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: that there are decks that people who come to my
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: classes will pick up and when we get the minor
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Arkana instead of pictures, they just have six.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: Sticks on there. Here's the six ones and they're six sticks.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: And that is really unhelpful for someone who's just learning,
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: because what message do you get from that? Nothing?
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: And you get go grab the guide books. It's true.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I love decks, Like I picked up a cat deck
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: cat to row and it has all pictures, all illustrations
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: of cats.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: It's just a thing.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: And when I was in New Orleans, I grabbed a
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: voodoo deck, which nice, unbelievable, but that is way even
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: there's all the voodoo symbolism and stuff on that. I'm
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: just reading the book and I'm just it's like looking
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: at it, but I'm thinking, I am not.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Ready for that deck yet, right.
• 39:05
  Speaker 9: Right, yeah, when people come to mind, right, well, when
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: people come to my class with a deck like that
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: and they look at everyone else's and they're like, I guess.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I need inter deck because you know mine just has
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: three cups on it.
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: Huh so, so definitely, you know, look for something where
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: the images are going to have ting your intuition, and
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: if you're just starting out, those minor arcnic cards need
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: to have pictures on them.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Otherwise you can't get an intuitive message. You're just constantly
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: going to the book, and I think it makes it
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: harder for you to learn too, because then you sort
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: of have to memorize the book instead of, you know,
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: using your intuition. So definitely double check what the minor
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: arcnic cards look like, because a lot of times if
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: it's a more advanced deck, they figure you're going to know,
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: but you're not.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: If you're just starting, you need a picture.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you do need a picture, and it really really,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: it really helps clarify. And I noticed just from my practicing,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: my deck comes with the correlating sign, astrological sign, the element,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: everything's there. So as I'm the more I'm playing with now,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: this is just a beginner's deck, just to learn. Like
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I already know that once I have it, I'm going
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: to start looking for my deck, the deck that I want.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: To start using.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but for right now, this is working for me
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: because everything is on.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: There, and the more I use it, the more.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm knowing what each you know what each court
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: card means compared to what each minor arkonda major ar kanda,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: you know all of that kind of stuff which is important,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: and it does seem like it's overwhelming when you first
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: open your deck.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Right, So what would be a if you tips that you.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Would give us beginners, you know, to to help us
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: kind of grasp beyond the images. Obviously we've talked about
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: the images. We know that that's right, but.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Like, what tips for beginners would you give us?
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: In the in the Practical Tarot Method book, I talk
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: about looking for the symbols and the colors and the
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: and then the cycles, which is basically the number from
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: ace to ten, and the court cards have their own
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: their own cycle from page to king. It's it's more
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: it's ages. You know, the page is your inner child,
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: the night is your teenage impulsive self rushing in, and
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: then the Queen is your nurturing female side, and the
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: King is your masculine authority, judgment kind of side, making money.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: And so every part of your tarot deck has cycles
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: like this, from ace to ten for the minor arcana,
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: from page to king for the court cards, and the
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: major I mean the major arcana you're going to have
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: the Lots of people call it the fool's journey, but
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: as a writer, I think of it as the hero's journey.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: It starts with the quest with the fool, and it
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: comes all the way around to the world, which is
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: you now have a different view of the world. It's completion,
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: and then what do you want to learn next? You
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: know how, what's your next dream? And once you see
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: those cycles, then it makes it so much easier when
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: you're learning, when you're just starting out to go, oh,
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: this is a five. Halfway through the cycle, everything is
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: a mess, all right, And you don't even have to
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: grab the book. You can just go, okay, this is
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: the element of Earth. So Lisa said, this is health
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: and money and this is the five. So right here
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at it and I'm an outsider looking in
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: because I don't know how to get in there. So
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: knock on that door, you know. And so anyway, there's
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: universal imagery like that, and so I like to get
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: when you're just starting out in brand new the deck
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: is usually in order, so don't shuffle it.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: Go through it.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Go through the cycle the major arcana first, and see
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: how it goes up and down and up and down.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: You find your mentor, and then you you go within
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: and then you know and then the tower. But then
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: there's hope with the star, and it just it takes
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: you all through the cycle of life. And and once
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: you start learning by cycle like that, you don't have
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: to memorize.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: God taught me so much. You just taught me so much.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I never thought to look at it a cycle because
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: I know that. I'm like the five of cups, the
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: five of swords, the five of wants.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, the five is a mess.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking, why the five such a mess?
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Not even thinking about it as a cycle, although I
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: did see Queen and the King, so yeah.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so you caught that cycle.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so helpful.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so helpful if you think of them as cycles,
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: and and you can also relate it to your life,
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, the cycle of wands in particular, you know,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: you get this great idea and you're gonna start, and
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: then the two.
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: Of wands, you're gonna make a choice.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: Am I gonna you know, knit, or am I gonna
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: needle point or whatever? And then you get to the
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: three and it's like, my decisions made. It's always got
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: somebody who's ready to go out and start doing it.
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: And then the four you're.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Like Oh my gosh, I'm good at this. This is
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: gonna be great. And then you get to the five,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: everything's a mess and you're like, why did I start this?
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: And the six you give it to somebody else for
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: some outside validation and then they go, oh my gosh,
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: you are great at this, and you're like, yeah, here
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: I go.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: It's the seven. You're like, oh my god, why didn't
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: I ask.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Anyone for help?
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: I'm so tired?
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: And you know, and and so the cycle, the cycle
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: really maps out what it's like in real life. You know,
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: when we're doing things, it's never a straight line. And
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: so once you start to recognize the cycle by the
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: numbers on the cards, you don't have to reach for
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: the guidebook. You can recognize it in your life. Oh yep,
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: that's right where I am, all right, you know.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: And yeah, that's great.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: No, that's great, because I was going to ask you
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: how we can use the toureau as a tool for
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: personal development, but you're already kind of describing that, right,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: like if you you know, just using your talking with
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the wands, and I know the cups have a lot
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: to do with our emotions, right where are we emotionally?
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's and then the swords, where are you know,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: intellectual what's going on there?
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: And mentally yeah.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Mentally yeah, it's it's cool.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I do you teach this like beginners for like like
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: if people are listening or somebody like me who's kind
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: of doing itself on her own, watching YouTube videos here
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: and there, just playing with the cards that you actually
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: walk us through how to use the turou.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: Do you have a class, Yeah, I do teach online
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: classes occasionally. I'm teaching Tarot for writers again in July,
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: and we do a lot of those same things, but
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: we relate it to content creations, so you know, characters, backstories, scenes,
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: things like that. I have recorded the Practical Tarot Method,
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: so if you go to my website you can find
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: out about being able to watch all of the videos
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: and then the book. The Practical Tarot Method is basically
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: the core in course form. Yeah, okay, and then I
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: am teaching it locally again here in Florida in June.
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: So there are.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: You in Florida.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: I'm in Fort Pierce. I'm right south of Vero Beach
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: in northeast.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in Fort Lauderdale. I'm in Fort Lauderdale, So.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say if you were close, if you
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: were close enough that I could drive to the class,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I would come to the class.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but I think you're like two hours from me.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little it's a little bit of a drive.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: But that's very cool because some people like to learn
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: by watching videos.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Other people it's good with books. So I like the
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: fact that you have both.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Available to anybody who's really really interested in learning. So
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: there's many people, not many, well, maybe there are many,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: but there's some people that have this you in cards
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: is dark role you know.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: The cult, right, So what would you say about that?
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, I obviously don't believe that, but but what
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: would you write about that?
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Well, there are people sometimes who take my classes, especially
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: when we get to Pentacles, They're like, are these witch
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: things or you know or whatever? And I'm always quick
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: to remind people, and I talk about in the book
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: as well. But Caro is really great because it has
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: no religious dogma. There is no religion tied to it,
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: so you can believe whatever your creator is for you,
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: this will not shake that, it will enhance it. And
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: as far as you know, is it dark or whatever?
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: I mean not to not to bash the woo woo. However,
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: I always remind people these are pieces of cardboards that
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: are mass printed with pictures on them, and these are
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: not mystical magical, you.
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: Know, they just are a tool.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: It's just pictures printed on paper. Your intuition is the
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: magic when you use them, So they aren't They aren't
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: dark or the occult or anything. They're just a tool
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: for you to get in touch with your higher self,
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: with your intuition, so that the universe or God or
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: whatever source energy whatever is in your you know, wheelhouse,
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: so that it can get you a message. A lot
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: of times we feel the messages, but we have over
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: years of people telling you it's all in your head,
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: you're imagining it.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: We talk ourselves out of it.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: And a tarot card can be such a friend. When
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: you're feeling like I don't know, I don't know, you
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: can ask and spread your cards out. You always pull
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: the card you need and get that validation where you go, yes,
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: I knew it, And that is a great feeling to
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: help us learn to trust our intuition, trust your gut
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: and and so yeah, I don't associate them.
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: With the occult at all.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: They're just a tool.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't either. I don't. I don't feel
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: that way.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: But you know, and for people who like to study
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: the occult, I mean, it's just information. Really, you're just
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: learning about I really wouldn't. I wouldn't stress about it.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: How is your decks a practical to row deck so
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: unique and different from all the other decks that are
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's a great question.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: So when COVID hits all of my tarot reading sea
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: physical stores because everything was closed, so I had to
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: learn to use zoom, I'm like, oh my gosh, Okay,
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: I learned to use zoom. But doing that turned into
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: such a huge blessing because I have clients that I
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: read for all over the world and I never would
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: have had that before. And as I'm reading more for
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: people from other parts of the world, I'm sorry to
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: notice thorrow is really white. I'm pulling out decks and
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my gosh, everyone is white. I just
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: had never I was in my bubble and I never
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: noticed before. But I'm like, dang it, none of these
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: cards look like real people. And all the people on
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: the cards are always super fit or they're fairies or there.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: And I just wanted something that people could relate to
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: without it being you know this, you know, magical, fantastical
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: dragon or whatever. And I wanted it to look like
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: our world looks, so that when you're pulling cards, you
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: find one and go, hey, there's me, you know. And
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: so for me, that's what makes practical Tarot different. There
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: are more and more diverse decks now, which is wonderful.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: I love the light Seer, but even those decks often
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: do not portray anybody with a disability. So like the
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: practical Tarot deck, there's someone with a cochlear implant, and
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: there's someone.
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: Was born with no legs.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: There is someone with scoliosis in a wheelchair, someone with glasses.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: That one surprised me, but I was like, oh my gosh,
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: there's no one with glasses in any of these cards,
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: and I wear glasses.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: What So we made right.
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it just never occurred to me.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: But I'm like, hey, none of us with glasses are
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: on any of these cards. So there is someone with
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: glasses in the practical Taro. So yeah, I just figure,
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: if I want it to be an intuitive tool, you
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: need to be able to relate to it. So that
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: was our goal in making it, and I think that
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: it's rare in Taro to find a deck where everyone
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: is represented. And I'm sure that we missed, you know,
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: some certain, I'm sure we missed some, but we tried
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: really hard to include everybody, big, small, you know, old, young, everyone.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: And so to me, if you're looking for something where
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: you can settle in and feel like you're a part
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: of the party, that a practical tarot is your deck.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I said, just check it out if
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: you go to her website, she has pictures of the
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: deck and you can see the images. They're absolutely beautiful. Well,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: the thing I loved about the Voodoo deck is it's
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: they're all black, yeah, and deck at all. You know,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: I've been through I don't understand how to read it yet,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: but I've been through the whole deck and it's just yeah,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: it's a.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: Beautiful deck too. And there's so many decks out there.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: But I do love that yours is representing everybody in the.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: World, right, you know, that you could.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Think of you know, and that's such a that's such
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: a nice thing to be able to see yourself in
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: the cards that you're reading, right, like right, right, So yeah,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: like you're invited.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, do you.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Still see new clients, because I know some readers are
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: so busy and booked up that they don't take on
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: new clients anymore.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: Do you still have to individual readings for people?
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I sure do, And you can sign up for
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: readings on my wu wu site, which is Metaphysical Manifesting
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: dot com.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, perfect.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So anybody who's interested in getting a reading? And
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: how long are your readings?
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Do you have a thirty minute yeah? Sixty?
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, usually they're thirty minutes usually, And if you're I
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: do manifesting mentoring, and if we're doing that, the appointments
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: are an hour.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's wonderful to know.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: So you guys who are listening, if you're interested in
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: getting a reading, and I'm assuming, I mean, this is
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: a dumb question, but I'm assuming you use your own
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: deck to read when.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: When you're getting somebody a reading, I.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Mean, I already know the answer. I don't even know
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: why I'm asking it.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: I'm just like a like, listen, if you want to
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: see what the deck looks like, go get a reading
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: and you can see it on zoom right right.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: Well, Aaron's the Weekly Tarot readings that I do on
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: my YouTube channel. I've been using my deck, but at
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: Halloween I switched to my favorite Halloween decks, so.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, tell us about your YouTube channel so people
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: can can come and reach and check you out over there.
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah.
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: If you go on YouTube, it's ld Y Disney is
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: my channel, and I think.
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: If you look up Lisa Kesseler, I pop up too.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: But either way, it's I post weekly tarot readings and
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: they're free, so come.
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: Check it out.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that. Thank you so much, Lisa.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: It was a pleasure.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: Talking to you and I love your deck. Thank you
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: for being my guest today.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: All right, everybody, thanks for listening to Postcards to the
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Universe with Melissa reading the Life you Crave. And I'm
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: wishing everyone a wonderful week filled with joy, abundance and love.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Peace,