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The Manosphere isn't girl-bossing right! · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening everyone, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian with Allison, and
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  Speaker 1: this is maintaining frame the Manisphere, isn't girl bossing? Right
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  Speaker 1: where we're gonna be talking a little bit about Lewis
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  Speaker 1: Throw's new documentary on the Manisphere and an accompanying Guardian article.
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  Speaker 1: Now full disclosure, I haven't seen the documentary yet, but
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  Speaker 1: I am planning to watch it soon, I guess, and uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it should be enlightening. So we're gonna look at the
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  Speaker 1: trailer and then we're gonna look at this Guardian article
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  Speaker 1: that is called surely if you rule the Manisphere, you
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  Speaker 1: can be your own boss. These influencers aren't even that,
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, well we'll do that. Yeah, but before we
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  Speaker 1: get started, Allison.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, they're running a business, and they're
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  Speaker 2: doing work related to running a business and research and
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  Speaker 2: making sure that they provide a product that their customers want.
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  Speaker 2: And apparently this woman thinks that in order to have
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  Speaker 2: it made, I suppose you spend your days drinking chai laate,
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  Speaker 2: oh sorry, maka lattes, masha maka macha lattes and avocado
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  Speaker 2: toast and that's it, and then doing a couple emails.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So we're going to open up by looking at
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  Speaker 1: the trailer or a trailer. I think that's a couple
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  Speaker 1: of them. This is a two minute trailer for Lewis
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  Speaker 1: Thererow's inside the MANI spere For those of you guys
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  Speaker 1: who don't know, I guess, well, let me let's let's
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  Speaker 1: find out who he is. Who is Lewis thereau? I
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  Speaker 1: believe he has done like a series of documentaries or
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  Speaker 1: it's like what he's known for. But I think he's
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  Speaker 1: also a comedian or something. You know how these things
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  Speaker 1: good time? Yeah, So Lewis Thererow is a British American
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  Speaker 1: documentary filmmaker, journalist, broadcaster, author, and podcaster. Are widely regarded
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  Speaker 1: as one of the most distinctive and acclaimed figures in
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  Speaker 1: modern documentary television. So there you go. H. He has
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  Speaker 1: done things on the Westboro Baptist Church. He has done
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  Speaker 1: documentaries on prisons, like prisons and crime. He's done them
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  Speaker 1: on scientologists, gambling, the porn industry, autism, and other things.
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  Speaker 1: So this is his next target, or I'm sorry, topic
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  Speaker 1: I'm missing is the manisphere. So let's take a look
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  Speaker 1: at uh this trailer for his new Netflix documentary Inside
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  Speaker 1: the Minisphere. I normally trying a little bit earlier in
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  Speaker 1: the day. I'd start my dalf walking out there. What
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  Speaker 1: do I not talk to that?
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  Speaker 3: We're not on social media?
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  Speaker 1: So that's his opening is to I guess this guy
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  Speaker 1: is some kind of social media influencer manisphere guy. I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know who that is. That doesn't mean that
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  Speaker 1: it's not true. I don't I don't necessary follow everyone,
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  Speaker 1: but you have to wonder about who he decides to
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  Speaker 1: interview it. Well, yeah, interview Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: In this case, he's probably a fitness like guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks while they're in a gym outdoors, he's
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  Speaker 1: obviously fit. I think he's a fitness guy. Yeah, which
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  Speaker 1: is I guess basically caring about your health and wanting
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  Speaker 1: to stay fit is a manisphere thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is an anisphere thing. Now it's it's a
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  Speaker 2: toxic masculinity thing.
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  Speaker 1: Also, I like it a supremacist thing and a far
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  Speaker 1: right thing.
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  Speaker 2: I like how the interviewer has already attempted to humiliates
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  Speaker 2: his audience or his target yep, and uh, thus create
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  Speaker 2: a sense of dominance over it. But you know that's
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  Speaker 2: that's acceptable because no doubt he has the progressive bona fides.
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  Speaker 2: But that's like, I mean, well, maybe he's trying to
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's trying to humanize him. Seems
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  Speaker 2: more like this is trying to humiliate him.
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  Speaker 1: But by the kind of like humorous music playing that they.
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  Speaker 2: Always reach for, that, don't they Like when Weiss did
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  Speaker 2: its article on us way back in the Great Past
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  Speaker 2: or the Misty Past, it used the clown music and
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  Speaker 2: then they because we're both were simultaneously the most frightening
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  Speaker 2: thing in the world but also the most hilarious and
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  Speaker 2: incombinations and stupid. Yeah, and that's not just the playlist
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  Speaker 2: of every ideologue in terms of their escapegoat group. For them,
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  Speaker 2: they've really figured it out, Like first time in he
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  Speaker 2: was human history. They know who to dehumanize. They know
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  Speaker 2: they've got the right target. All right, let's keep going.
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  Speaker 1: All right, what would you say?
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  Speaker 3: Is the message I coach boys, I'll tell my money, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: this is a nice spot.
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  Speaker 1: How to be outside the system, how to be proper? Guys?
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  Speaker 1: Would you see me that way? Did you look at
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  Speaker 1: my arms? The statue is not saying too much, you asked, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: let me turn on the advanced scene switcher here. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, uh, you can see they're setting the tone.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I don't I don't know, like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how you can attack this, like just wanting to
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  Speaker 1: be in shape. And he's like, oh, I see you're
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  Speaker 1: looking at my arms. Are you trying to like make
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  Speaker 1: him look like he's closeted gay or something? Is that
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  Speaker 1: the joke?
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  Speaker 2: Who knows? Let's let's watch it again.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me go back a little bit so we
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  Speaker 1: can see it how to be proper? Guys? Shut would
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  Speaker 1: you see me that way? Did you look at my arms?
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  Speaker 1: The stature is not saying too much.
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  Speaker 3: I was entering the menisphere, a wild frontier of streamers
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  Speaker 3: whose behavior is reshaping the culture.
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  Speaker 1: People ask me why Miami, Can I tell them because
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  Speaker 1: if it was hot, So let.
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  Speaker 2: Me ask you something. Being rich, being hot, being muscular
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  Speaker 2: and having that as a ideal is radically shaping the
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  Speaker 2: society and what men think are goals that they should pursue. This,
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  Speaker 2: this is radically shaping that. Like this, this doesn't seem
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  Speaker 2: to be a change at all, is what we use
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  Speaker 2: What I'm getting at. He's saying this is radically shaping,
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  Speaker 2: It's not. This is when did this stop? Like was
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  Speaker 2: there a point where being fit, being rich, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and being stoic wasn't something that women found attractive?
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  Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's almost like they have there there's something
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  Speaker 1: rawung with ambition itself. Yes, essentially right, And this is
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  Speaker 1: like not all men are going to pursue this path,
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  Speaker 1: but some will. And I don't think that there's you like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that it's useless information.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, well, I mean certainly it's not useless information.
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  Speaker 2: But it's what I'm saying is that this is not
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  Speaker 2: a radical departure from anything.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe what's radical is that we no longer have the
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  Speaker 2: attendant virtues and ethics that we used to that you
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  Speaker 2: might associate with older men, like of the free market system,
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  Speaker 2: risk and all of this stuff. But I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's still it's not a fundamental change in what men
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  Speaker 2: always saw as being attractive and wanted to pursue. That's
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  Speaker 2: what I'm trying to get at. It's like, she's ah,
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  Speaker 2: the fitness, like men's fitness was just discovered four years
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  Speaker 2: ago by the by the menisphere. It's like, no, No,
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  Speaker 2: what are you trying.
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  Speaker 1: To see me like by that? Yeah? Like what even
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  Speaker 1: is the manisphere? Really? Like? Are are the men in
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  Speaker 1: the manisphere defining the manisphere? Or are people like Louis
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  Speaker 1: Thereau and the Guardian defining the manisphere? Because I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I don't think that going to the gym is
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  Speaker 1: the manisphere.
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  Speaker 2: No, so, nor is it something that's radically changed. I'm
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  Speaker 2: pretty sure I remember there being gyms in the eighties.
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  Speaker 2: Probably there were gyms in the seventies.
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  Speaker 1: There were gyms in the tens. Yeah, of the nineteen tens.
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  Speaker 4: I mean yeah, Like this idea of pursuing fitness is
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  Speaker 4: like a masculine virtue, has a very long history and
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  Speaker 4: then suddenly it's invented by the manisphere, like four years ago.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm getting at. He's like, suddenly they're influencing.
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  Speaker 2: And then the other thing is the only thing this
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  Speaker 2: guy has. We know about this guy is he apparently
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  Speaker 2: does finance and fitness. Now that's the manisphere, right, that
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  Speaker 2: that's what qualifies. But honestly, what it really seems to
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  Speaker 2: be is that men exist at all and that men
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  Speaker 2: do anything that men would be inclined to do. You
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  Speaker 2: know that that that they just exist at all, That
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  Speaker 2: that men exist, and this man, you know, he's taken
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  Speaker 2: that personally. Other men exist. This dude is taking it
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  Speaker 2: personally and making a documentary on it.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Oh yeah, continue to California to dig for gold?
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  Speaker 5: What?
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  Speaker 1: Who's appealed?
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  Speaker 3: Irresistible?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 6: What?
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  Speaker 2: That? That seems really winnowed, Like he's going to California
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  Speaker 2: to dig for gold.
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  Speaker 1: California. I think he's like letting that like sit there,
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  Speaker 1: little statement, just float there and let the figure it out,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm sure is intended to be done in the
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  Speaker 1: most charitable way possible. I would just say, well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what that means. Maybe he means that's where
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  Speaker 1: there's opportunity to make money.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, or I don't know. I don't think you're gonna find.
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  Speaker 1: Much gold little gold there. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Me though, social strife. All right, so what's going on here?
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  Speaker 2: Let's see?
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  Speaker 1: All right, So now they're showing us. I know some
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  Speaker 1: of these guys, like that guy that was saying I
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  Speaker 1: saw him on the whatever podcast before, he's been on that.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's how he sort of raises I don't
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  Speaker 1: know who he is though, I don't know his name.
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  Speaker 1: And then we are going to cut to Sneago, who
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  Speaker 1: has who's a relatively big streamer. Again, I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: this is man a sphere, but.
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  Speaker 3: Whose appeal has proved irresistible to hordes of young fans.
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  Speaker 3: Fifteen is probably like your main Democrats, that content is acceptable.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing it for a month. That was a viral
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  Speaker 1: clip that went out.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the only thing that happened?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, some guy was some kid because he's got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of young fans, a lot of these guys probably
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  Speaker 1: have young followers, young male followers.
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  Speaker 2: And that's that's actually stressing out the establishment, because boys
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  Speaker 2: should be mentored by contemptuous middle aged women and there
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  Speaker 2: their social structure should be Canadian healthcare. That's what they
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  Speaker 2: that's what that's their that's their support system is some
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  Speaker 2: Canadian healthcare. So being abused by middle aged women and
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  Speaker 2: then if they need support, they can get it, get
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  Speaker 2: some Canadian healthcare, which I think you all know is
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  Speaker 2: what are euphemism of and that that's perfect, that's what
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  Speaker 2: they want. And the fact that these guys, like these
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  Speaker 2: entertainers is Pewdie Pie also considered part of the manosphere.
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  Speaker 2: How about I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 1: As money he hasn't made videos in a way while
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't do it that often, but when he was
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  Speaker 1: making content, absolutely Judy Pie was absolutely like far right evil,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: Asthma on gold. Now is he considered yeah, but he's
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  Speaker 2: not being interviewed in this. But also here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: You know that this bombing a somebody who's doing a
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  Speaker 2: broadcast has a long history and usually the way that
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  Speaker 2: people would do this was they'd say something offensive or shocking,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they'd run across some some newscaster would be
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  Speaker 2: doing a cast and you would see like young men
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  Speaker 2: or boys just run across say something really really like
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  Speaker 2: really shocking or offensive and then run away like this
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  Speaker 2: is not new and it's you're making something.
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  Speaker 1: The guy, you know, the sunglasses that would show up
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  Speaker 1: well and that's the mean. Yeah, I think that they
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  Speaker 1: were on my microphone and it was like a live
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  Speaker 1: thing and this kid just said something he probably just
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  Speaker 1: wanted to say, like whatever would be the most you know, agree,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know what his intentions were, and it's sort
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  Speaker 1: of irrelevant because Nico was like, what have I done?
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  Speaker 1: And maybe in a party he was playing along too,
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  Speaker 1: he was like, oh my god, it's terrible, you know, yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 1: like it's it's just silly, and it's almost like they
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  Speaker 1: don't understand the way men joke around, Like the way
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  Speaker 1: men horse around is let's say, disquieting between women and
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  Speaker 1: men like Threau.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that the existence of other men is probably
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  Speaker 2: disquieting to Thorrow. I'm getting the sense that he's like, no,
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  Speaker 2: there shouldn't be other men. It should just be me
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  Speaker 2: and the women and that's it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's keep going, all right, let's keep going. I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing it for money.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care about the morality of it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not living for paper, I'm living for myself. What's
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  Speaker 1: the morality of making money is there? What's the morality
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  Speaker 1: is there?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Well no, I mean a serious question though, because there
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  Speaker 1: the clip. Okay, let me let's look at it again. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're not We're not seeing anything bad happen. We're just
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  Speaker 1: seeing him say I'm here to make money. Let let's
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  Speaker 1: let let's listen to that again. I'm doing it for money.
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  Speaker 3: I don't care about the morality of it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he's he's saying this with like a certain
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  Speaker 1: kind of sullenness, like, oh my god, you don't care
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  Speaker 1: about morality. But this guy didn't say I'm willing to
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  Speaker 1: turn like Chinese women into slaves to like make me money.
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  Speaker 1: He just said, I only care about money. And the truth,
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  Speaker 1: truth of fact is the truth of it is. These
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  Speaker 1: women on the boat that he owns also don't care
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  Speaker 1: about anything else.
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  Speaker 2: But what they money.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like they're literally that. That's why they're sitting
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  Speaker 1: there as a group of a harem if you will,
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  Speaker 1: in bikinis on a boat because they also don't care.
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  Speaker 1: But is he going to make a documentary about women.
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  Speaker 2: No, of course not, for the fact that that's the
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  Speaker 2: primary metric why men are able to get married as
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  Speaker 2: they make more than average, Like if single men made
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  Speaker 2: as much as married men, they'd probably be married. And
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  Speaker 2: also the single biggest factor for divorce is a man
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  Speaker 2: losing his job. Of course, he's not going to say
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  Speaker 2: any of that. He's not going to talk about Well,
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  Speaker 2: this is actually a pressure that women put on men.
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  Speaker 2: They expect them to provide both possibly well above what
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  Speaker 2: is reasonable. They expect them to provide. That's why he
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  Speaker 2: has five women probably in a rotation around him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you might. It's almost like you have to ask
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  Speaker 1: yourself why do these men exist? Yeah, why are they
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  Speaker 1: so popular? Why are what is it that is most.
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  Speaker 2: What does he mean by morality in this? Because I
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  Speaker 2: get what you're saying. It's like he's actually poisoning the
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  Speaker 2: well here guys making money. There's no indication that he's
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  Speaker 2: doing anything immral. He's just showing fitness content and financial content.
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  Speaker 2: I doubt this man who is in this casting moral
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  Speaker 2: aspersions and virtue signaling his cock everywhere. That would be
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  Speaker 2: the documentarian, because that's what he's doing. He's virtue signaling
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  Speaker 2: how large his virtue cock is. And this entire thing
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  Speaker 2: starting from humiliating the guy. And now I will stand
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  Speaker 2: behind the first few seconds being an intentional humiliation of
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  Speaker 2: his subject to this, and there's no indication the guy
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  Speaker 2: is doing anything in moral fitness and finance. Is he
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  Speaker 2: going to say that this man is encouraging boys and
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  Speaker 2: young men to take damaging supplements? Is he going to
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  Speaker 2: allege that this man is encouraging finance fraud in finance,
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  Speaker 2: because that would relate morally to what he's doing. But
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  Speaker 2: that's not what he's doing, is he he's he's letting
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  Speaker 2: that you don't care about it morally, just poison the well.
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  Speaker 2: And what this dude is doing with no receipts, no receipts,
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  Speaker 2: well at least and.
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  Speaker 1: Also well, another thing is that that this is this
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  Speaker 1: is a trailer. So the purpose of it is to
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  Speaker 1: make you go ooh, I wonder what he's getting at,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder what he's gonna what immoral thing this guy
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  Speaker 1: has done. So it is like working as a marketing
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  Speaker 1: tool to get you to want to watch the movie,
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  Speaker 1: although you're basically a captured audience, because you know, like
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  Speaker 1: it used to be the case that if you made
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  Speaker 1: a film, you your film only made money if people
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  Speaker 1: went to the theater to watch it. But if you
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  Speaker 1: make a film for streaming services, then you're you probably
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  Speaker 1: don't need to worry about people watching it because the
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  Speaker 1: streaming they're already paying for the streaming service. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: that's the Yeah, that's the shame. Yeah, Metallica Sneico is
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  Speaker 1: a Muslim, I know. And that's the thing too, is
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  Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying, like, how is this manusphere of
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  Speaker 1: content less? I think Sneako is Actually he like does
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  Speaker 1: he promotes Islam on his streams. I don't watch them really,
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  Speaker 1: but he does, right, or at least he talks about
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  Speaker 1: how Islam is compatible with you know, like whatever else
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  Speaker 1: he promotes. But like I said, I don't really watch
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  Speaker 1: his content. So but anyway, all right, I don't care
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  Speaker 1: about them. I'm not living for upper people. I'm living
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  Speaker 1: for myself.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's also.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, he says, I'm not living if I'm not living
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: for myself.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, are you going to operationalize that, sir? Like documentarian? No,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: of course not. He's just gonna let it float around
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: like a fart.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Is he engaging in thought?
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Is he encouraging his his audience to engage in activities
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: that harm themselves. Fitness and finance, guys, fitness and finance,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: That's what this man is doing. He's not even a
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: pick up artist. Like they literally do not like the
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: fact that other men exist. They just don't like anything
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: that men do or that they have any place to stand.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: It's like they just don't want men. They don't want
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: them to exist. They want masculinity it exist. They don't
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: want men to exist. They just want you all to
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: fuck off into the ocean and go drown.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is again like these guys are
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: basically trying to solve for women that are trying to
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: get that bag while keeping their own bag. They're literally
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: responding to the female dating strategy and what they're they're
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: treating it like a game where if I have enough
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: that those women will want me, I will be able
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: to basically have my pick of the litter from multiple women,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: which is why that guy can have a bunch of
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: women on his boat. So it's like they're basically matching.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: They're trying to match or exceed the energy of women's
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: modern women. And so when he says the morality of
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: it is what's missing, you're only looking at half of
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the equation. Because if you were to ask me, have
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: we a crisis with things like meaning and morality and
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the immaterial or the transcendent? I would say yes, absolutely,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: But I would also say women are as much a
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: part of that problem as men are, if not more so,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: because when the women say I want this, and they're
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: only talking about material things, the men are trying to
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: solve for that, they're like, well, we got to give
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: them that, and so they basically try to get that.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Some of them don't bother. Probably most of them don't
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: bother because they're like, well it's not worth it, But
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: the few that can they make that effort. So you're
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: just looking at the solution or the other half of
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: an equation, and you're basically blaming that half of the
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: equation for the entire situation. You haven't really completed it yet.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: You're not even looking at the fact that these guys
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: would not exist if women weren't looking for guys that
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: specifically have that you know what I mean, no.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Exactly, Well, you remember that that I'm going to go
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: back to this over and over again because it just
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: was a perfect visual example of the problem the dating.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: The panel where you had those the guys, you know,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: they they look like they were ready to take responsibility,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: to have families, to provide for their families, you know,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: so they were in an ethical place where they were
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: expecting to step up, you know, not be the recognize
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: where it may they may not be doing the right
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: thing or whatever. That's what they were demonstrating. They were
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: demonstrating that they had some form of principles. So the
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: men were moral, they were ethical, they had principles, right.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: The one even said I'm single because I don't I
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: can't find a woman who who really matches my principles.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And then you look on the other side and you
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: have a bunch of dis regulated baboons who want money
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and does he look good right, And it's like, well,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: if that's what women want, guess what men are gonna be.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: And those guys who decided to stick to their guns,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: they don't have four women hanging out on their yachts
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: like that. One dude is like, I can't find a
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: woman who who's you know, she's not like she's functional,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: like she has in some kind of ethical system. I
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: can't find a partner basically, is what he was saying. Well,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: he can't find a partner because he's not gonna go
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: after a bunch of gold digging women in bikinis. He
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: wants an actual wife to build a family with. Well
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: guess what, guess what women are incentivizing right now? Like
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: exactly what you said, Brian. And it is in that
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: that frickin panel. You could see it that one woman,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: the slat who is actually self aware, She's like, I
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: can't you know all these men that have sixteen women
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: orbiting them. I'm like, I don't think that's all men, madam,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: that's just the men you see because you're a slat.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: But you know, it's like and again, these guys are
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: trying to be what they think women want, like what
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: you said and and that that are you distracted?
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Like you I'm looking at this, I'm looking at the screen.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I'm listening. Go ahead.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Oh I'm just like I'm are you paying attention to
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: something I should be paying attention to? But anyway, okay,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: so anyway, it's like that, Yeah, you just see it
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: right in that in that panel, you have men who
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: are ready to step up, and you have women who
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: do nothing but step down and probably pass out on
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: street corners, like and it's it's like, what what do
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: you do? If women don't want men who are moral,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: then men are going to be like this, well some men,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: and the men who aren't willing to do it aren't
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: going to be having aren't gonna have partners, they're not
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: gonna have families. Right, and maybe this is something he
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: will never address. This documentarian will never address that these
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: guys aren't just deciding one day to be, according to him, horrible, right,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: They're responding to something. Okay, let's keep going.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Yep, they are exactly, they're so well, yeah, let's keep going. Children,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: she doesn't.
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: Talk to we don't cross into each other's lane.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Stanks. Okay, let's go back. So I think that he's
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: basically saying he agreed him and his woman. So it's
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: not like he's I don't know, let's listen. Let's listen.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: The mother of my children, she doesn't talk to all, we.
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: Don't cross into each other's lane.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Stings. Huh, you seem upset by it. So he's like,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: my woman doesn't talk to other men, and she's like,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: totally okay with that. We don't cross each other's lane,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that's what she said. And this guy, I mean, he's
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: supposed to see that as you know, extremely troubling.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, because he should have access to all
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: the women. Yeah, because he's a sneaky fucker. He wants
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: to get in there. This isn't virtue on his part.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's actually intersectional competition. And all he's doing
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: is just showing off as virtue cock every single fricking
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: scene of this, right, And the dude like, yeah, I
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: mean I can he's sort of an extreme version, but
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: that is that is something you might expect from a
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: guy with a very strong vacid press and bond to
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: you know, his mate. So he doesn't want her around
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: other men, Okay, And she's fine with that, so be
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: it like that's their thing.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Well, that's that's what I was gonna say. If she's
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: fine with that, But of course he can't see it
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: as something that she could agree with unless he's actually
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: you know, like it's a like like she's silently crying
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: for help, you know, earlier he shows a woman earlier
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: in the I want to cut to it real quick,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: who basically like has like a t he reaction. Let
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: me jump ahead back here too much.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I was entering the menisphere, a wild frontier of streamers
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: whose behavior is reshaping the culture.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: People ask me why Miami, and I'll tell him because
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: if it was.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: California, very performative this man, Yeah, okay, keep.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Going, Wait, where's the where's the bimbo? At? There was
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: a bimbo?
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I know, I know exactly what you're saying. But the
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: thing is that what he's doing here is he's signaling
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: that he has a right to his woman because he's
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: the one with her interests in mind. Right, He's the
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: one who knows what she really wants, and he's the
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: one who can save her from his big dick energy.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I guess, although I don't know. I he seemed really
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: fricking performative to me, But whatever, I don't.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Which guy with the sunglasses and shit guy?
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean yeah, I think there's a lot
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: of that, because I have seen some clips, and you know,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I mean it. To me, it seems like relatively like
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: gallow and performative. I'm not saying that the guy doesn't
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: have any of the things that he claims he has.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: But but you know, at the same time, like I
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: don't think he's hurting anybody acting that kally like he's not.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: You know, like if if he has something to offer,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: then that's great, right, That's just my.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Woman is happy with it. Varn Let it be. It's
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: just a personal taste. That's It's quite It's very theatrical,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: let me put it that way.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Reverend Omen says, bro they get the most unintelligent men
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to be representatives of the Manisphere. Yeah, they select who
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: they want to choose to represent the Manisphere. It's it's purposeful.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Like I guess, even though I have my problems with him,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Rollo is nowhere to be seen in this video, you know.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, like you can say whatever you want about Rollo,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: but if you're gonna make a video about the Manisphere,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I think that he would be wonder people in it. Yeah,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think that would be like, you know, a
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: crazy thing.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: You know, a crazy certain.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I think the reason is because he's not as easy
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: to sort of like show to create an emotional reaction
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: in the audience, because that's what the purpose of this
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: documentary is. It's like, look at how you know, insanely
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: like I don't know, like a moral these men are
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: because you can't really say, oh, they're actually poor, or
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: they're actually lonely, or they're actually in cells like obviously
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: none of that's true. There's like women around them, and
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: they do very well and they're popular and they're you know,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: in good shape. So you can't attack any of those things.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: So what you have to do instead is go after
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: their morality. You have to make them seem dangerous or
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: secretly insecure or something else.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so yeah, And there's no indication yet that
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: the allegation that these guys are moral is gonna have
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: any receipts.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: No, you just have to say it. And because they
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: look like, you know, like whatever the like whatever the
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: media portrays as like the bad guy, which is usually
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: like the you know, square jawed, white dude that has
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of money, then that will work. It might
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: be enough, you know, it's like, well this might be enough.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: And you can also like edit it so that the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: most incendiary things are what like get out Like when
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: he said things, doesn't it like you obviously get the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: sense that he's like trying to mog the the interviewer,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: But I think that actually serves that's gonna do more
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: damage to him than if anything right, And.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Again none of the actual concerns are being addressed. Like
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: the more I research, the more I'm mapping the fault
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: line that feminism has created in our society. And these
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: guys having these lavish lifestyles, having the bikini models hanging
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: off of them so that their audiences can sort of
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: live vicariously through their successes, that's like minuscule compared to
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the fact that the feminist the fempire makes it so
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: that we are exploiting the productive layer of our society
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and in exploiting it, we are destroying it. That should
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: terrify people.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Well, they're legitimately a part of the They were created
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: by that system, so they are in a way a
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: part of the system, which this manisphere. These guys that
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: are like you know, chasing there open they have their
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: own businesses and they're trying to get other men to like,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: you know, get in shape and all these things like
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: chase down status. That's all a byproduct of the feminist system.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: It was created by that. And of course they would
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: say it's a reaction to that, but I think that
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: was the I think that was always the play because
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: feminism needs a narrative that men oppress women, and anything
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: that looks like that can be used. And these Manisphere
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: guys they kind of play into it. They know, they
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: don't just kind they absolutely play into yes, yes, And
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: so they become highlighted as the proof and they they
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: think that, well, I'll just out, you know, out chad
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the whole thing, and sure for themselves they might be okay.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: But the problem is is that whatever they do, the
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: worst parts of it, and even the parts that wouldn't
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: be considered bad by any normal metric, will be used
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: to tar all men. Say this is all men. Whatever
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: these guys do, and they'll be regular men who already
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: have it tough. That will their their lives will be
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: made harder by this.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because it guides the issues that men are
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: actually facing. Like these guys, these influencers, wouldn't be so
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: huge if they didn't have audiences living vicariously through them.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Let's be honest. So when you actually create a situation
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: where the average man has no hope of having a family,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: has no hope of having a wife, has no hope
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: of having a house, then living vicariously through men who
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: have lucked into the position of having those things, or
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: even an abundance of those things is something that's generated
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: by the very pressure the fact that the average man
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: won't get those things. So now he can live through
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: these guys, he can feel like he has a moment
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: of having these things that the system itself has basically destroyed.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: And it's destroyed precisely because by what I'm saying, it
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: has destroyed the productive layer that used to employ men,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: you know, that's where they would have that. And it's
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: destroyed men's relationship to their own ena. That's the other thing,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: like he's talking about all this is immoral, Well, where
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: is feminism in terms of men's ethics, like the ethics
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: that come out of masculinity and being a men. Feminism
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: basically says there is none, Right, a man is only
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: an inferior version of a woman, and only an inferior
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: version of how women relate to the world in a
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: moral way. So this guy is talking from a position
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: where men probably don't have any ethics to pursue. They
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: have to pursue women's ethics, right, and that doesn't when
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: you tell a generation of boys that they have no
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: ethical frame that comes out of who they are as
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: men and their masculinity, and you say that they are
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: defective girls. You don't create men who are actually women
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: and have women's particular version of ethics. You create men
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: with no ethics. I think literally, and I've said this
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: over and over again. Andrew Tait was created by feminism.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: If you're going to point him and say he doesn't
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: have any morals, well yes, because feminism broke the connection
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: between young men and their morals. Like when you say that, yeah, yeah,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: that's true.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Well, women in their morals and itself basically.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but in particular, they they said that men don't
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: have an ethical like think about it. Ever say that
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: there is actually an ethical system that comes out of
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: men and masculinity and how men relate to the world.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: They never say that. They say that men are inferior
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: women and they are immoral women. Basically, Well, there you go.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: This is the result. This is the result of castrating
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: generation after generation after generation of boys and not telling
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: them or not allowing them to develop an ethical frame
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: around their masculinity. You get this. You get biggering, more
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: bikini bo bikini models, bigger yachts, bigger money, and then
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: every other dude who can't will never get that because
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: he hasn't lucked into it. And luck is a big
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: part of this. Luck and who your family is. I'm
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: guessing for all of these guys like that, they are
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: going to live through this vicariously. And the other thing
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: is is those guys on that panel that we watched
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: perfectly moral, ready to step up, ready to have families,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: reasonably decent, normal guys, except they were all, like, you know,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: much more attractive than average, I would say, And they're
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: not getting families. And they're not getting families because they
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: are moral, because they have nobody, no woman who's the
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: equivalent of them. So it's like this is like a
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: gigantic ball of fuck, and it gets worse and worse
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: and worse the more you trace the fault lines that
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: have been created by feminism in our society and what
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: feminism has colluded to create. So you look at this,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: we are reporting on the effects of feminism on men. Guys.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: This dude is going and he's investigating the effects of
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: feminism on men, and they're calling it the menisphere. All right,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: let's keep going.
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: We don't cross into each other's lane.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Stays huh, you seem upset by it. You see him
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: upset by it?
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: Do you consider yourself a misogynist?
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I love women and actually understand them. This is Myron
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Gains from the Fresh and Fit podcast.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, sorry, you don't understand women if you love them?
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that he I don't know what he's
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: gonna say here, but again, remember these videos. Do get
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: why do you.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Have to love women?
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: Like?
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: What?
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Why is this necessary?
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Well, Allison, you know, like I said, these guys are
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: still product of feminism. Like whether they think they're pushing
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: against it or not, they're still operating within the framework,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: which is why I think. I think Myrone is like
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: he like knows what he's dealing with perhaps and he's like, Okay,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to try and frame this in a way
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: that the documentarian understands and the hopes that he'll be
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: fair to me, but he must know on some level
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: he won't be. Yeah, I leave Myron if he says
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: he doesn't hate them, no, Lie is detected. No he doesn't.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think he does. But like that's the thing,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: when you say are you a misogynist? I mean it's
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: a bullshit question.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bullshit.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: There's no such thing. But you know, he he doesn't
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: want that for an answer. He wants a yes or
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: a no, and he's expecting you to say no, because
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: who the hell wants to be called that?
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'd probably say yes just to
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: piss everyone off.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, now, but you wouldn't, like really mean it?
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Well, what does that mean?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: That's what I would, That's what I mean, like I would,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't, I wouldn't like it.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: But but but the thing is that I honestly like
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: the things that I see women engaging in now. And
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about like it's just appalling, like just
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the rampant missonry, the hatred of men, the dismissal, the contempt,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: the disregulated behavior, like it's I don't know what's there?
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: What is there to like? Is my question? But anyway,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's hatred disappointment.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think it's hatred.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's keep going.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Let's keep going. Understand them?
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: You think you know better than they do?
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: They want a guy that can lead them and dominate them.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Do you think you understand them more than they do?
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: That's like this is another thing too. This is such
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: an old counter argument. By the way, this guy's hair
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: is like disappearing, just get a wig or shave it.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, it's like a weird thing to that.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: It's in a very old thing like do you think
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: you know women better than women know themselves? Do you
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: think you know? They always lean on that, it's like
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: a common feminist tactic. Well, have you tried asking women
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: what women think? As they also don't ask women what
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: women think? Yeah, but yeah, i'd probably see to that.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I probably say, yes, I actually do, because women don't
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: know what they want, you know what. Waiting for men
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: to tell them actually fits women off though, see, and
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: if it presses women off, then it must be a
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: lie because women are feeling the clemped because you have
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: basically said something they don't like. Therefore you must be
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: lying or and evil.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to push back on that a little bit.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: I think women do know what they want, they're just
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: not allowed to want it because of feminism. And it
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: is a hell of a lot closer to what he said, like,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: they don't want necessarily a dominant man that just rolls
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: over all of their interests and you know is cruel
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: or anything. They want dominance that's meant like I don't
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: want to say like leadership, that's a better way to
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: put it. Yeah, that's that's something that you can respect.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: And some of them apparently do want dominance that is
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: absolutely destructive judging from the dark romance sphere of things,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: although that I could get into what that is, but
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I think actually based on what my research is and
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: what I see women willing to pay for, I think
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I have a better understanding of what women want than
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: pencil neck here, and that is closer to what he's saying.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: What qualification that Les Brian said. They want leadership, they
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: want competence, they want something they can respect, right, they
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: want decisive action. They want men to look like they
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: are men, and men tend to be. They have less
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: they have greater risk tolerance, they have greater tolerance of
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: danger and discomfort. They're physically they have greater physical physical capability,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: they have stronger instincts when it comes to threat. So
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: women want that, and no matter there's no amount of
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: head bobbling that this guy is gonna do is going
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: to change that. And I can tell him from the
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: point of view of looking at these things and doing
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of research, mining through the data. When it
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: comes to romance that the dude who says, who just
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: said they want a dominant man, you know, who takes
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: charge much closer to the truth, much much closer to
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: the truth than whatever this guy thinks.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, got any insights to the live.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Don't really do you think Satanists are running the world?
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Absolutely?
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: They talk about misinformation on the internet.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: This is one, oh, he says. He says to Sneak, O.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Remember Sneak's a Muslim, he's religious, And he says, do
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: you think Satan runs the world? And he said absolutely?
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: And he presents that like it's insane. But anyone who's
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: religious would probably agree that. You know, we're run by
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: evil forces that exist and we have to constantly resist them.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, it's not that.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I would outright say that the West is now run
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: by Satan. Well not not literally Satan, but it's run
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: by men and women who give no fucks about what
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: they're doing and the disaster that they're creating, as long
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: as they get theirs right. And I'm not saying it's
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: just men, it's it's women too. Women caping for these men, absolutely,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: the Robert barons, and they're moral, busybodies caping for them,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: and and hiding graft and in like civilization level theft
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: from the future and from the taxpayer, hiding it behind
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: DEI initiatives and other bullshit. So yeah, he's got a
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: good case that it's we're actually being run by Satanists. Yeah,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: probably literally, Okay, Okay, he.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Says something about this information, so let's see.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: This is what they're talking about.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Second, wouldn't this man say that society is a patriarchy,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: therefore it definitely is run by evil?
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I know, wouldn't he agree? Wouldn't you believe that
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: the world is run by white supremacist capitalist patriarchy, that
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: it is in fact run by the devil? Really? Or
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: maybe though you just like, well, well, I'm gonna it's
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: an evil force of elites that are basically straight white
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: men Christians for some reason. Uh, but I don't want
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: to call it satan I want to tell you, well,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: why didn't.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: He Why didn't he just go back when he said, oh,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: you think the world's run by Satanist? Well, do you
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: think the world patriarchy? Like why wouldn't he think back?
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Do you think the world is run by the patriarchy,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: which is the ultimate evil?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's dude. This guy's hair is terrible. What is this?
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: What is this back here? Do you see that? It's
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: like a little like, oh my god, okay, oh that
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: was the palm tree. That wasn't his hairline. I was
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: gonna say that's bad the live throat.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Do you think Satanists are running the world?
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Absolutely?
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: They talk about misinformation on the internet.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: This is what the dude, you know what the great
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Satan is? Are we going to go after the Muslims now?
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I'm guessing not because he's British. Oh, he's looking so stoic.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: He's like, I I can feel the engorgement of my
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: virtue right now. The dude in the scarf, I am
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: so tweet fucking I'm so virtuous.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I can't tell if it's cold there or moderate. Louis
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: is like bundled up, but Sneako is pretty relaxed in
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: his hoodie.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing he's signaling something.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's maybe it's a moist cold, you.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Know, maybe, okay, okay, so uh anyway, so he says
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: when when they talk about misinformation on the internet, this
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: is what they mean. So mm hmm, I think that's
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: kind of I mean, we're not at the end of
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: the trailer yet, but that seems to be like what
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: the general thrust of this documentary is. Never mind the
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: fact that it's easy to to conclude what they're going
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: to talk about since this is on Netflix, which is
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: owned by the Obamas. So but okay, so let's like
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: get to the rest of this. This is how you
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: should act, by the way, when this guy tries to
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: like when you know that, Okay, this guy's doing a
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: hit piece, but you know what, I'm gonna make this
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: like I'm gonna use this to build my platform even more.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: That's the only thing you can do.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: So do this trailer actually have comments?
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I can look, I don't know, I'm rung, I'm not pumping,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not controlled. I don't do this bullshit. And then
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you guys do because I'm.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: Real and you're getting triggered.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Oh so they see that guy basically call them on it,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: and he put it in the trailer and he's like,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: are you triggered? Is this really a thing we're doing?
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: Now?
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: What year is this twenty fourteen, where they trying to
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: tell us we're Oh, actually, you guys are the ones
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: that are triggered. A gotcha, Why are you so mad.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: I'm taking you out of context and turning your words
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: inside out? Why are you so triggered by that I'm
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: lying through editing so triggered?
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Well, he even said, yeah, I mean, we don't do
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: the editing. We're gonna be real. And look, I don't
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: know who that guy is. Maybe there's gonna be some
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: like maybe he got caught with some ship, maybe there
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: was a hot mic or something. I don't know, but
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: it's true. Like obviously, these guys they always do this.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: They always edit out. They make this the narrative fit
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: and they leave in the stuff that does and then
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: they use music to manipulate you. Music and editing, and
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Is there anything further in this or is it just
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing this for the first time. Oh no, that's it.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: That's a Netflix logo.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: After that, Okay, let's look at let's see the comments.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, this no indication of any kind there.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Is to be outside of the system. Bro is a
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: slave to the system. Yeah, Like these people are buying
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: into it. Well, I love a good Netflix stock, but
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure this is enough migraine meds in the
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: world to get me through this one.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Let me see what's actually going on, not par.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: The system doing it for money. Yeah, that's exactly what
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: the system is. Yeah, because what we should do is
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: not make money and then defy the system that way. Okay, Well,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: good luck eating.
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: And.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I I don't always be. There are people who think
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: they really have it figured out, like, well, man, money's fake, bro,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: just live without money. It's like, no, we can't do
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: that though, Like you can have your criticisms of the
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: gold standard and all that other shit, but we still
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: have to eat. We still have to live somehow, right
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Lewis using Lewis using stoicism on narcissists made my day. Yeah,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: it looks like everyone's buying into it.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's probably astro turf.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: But honestly, the manliest of them all is so funny
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: to me. Ah, that was exactly the goal. That was
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: exactly his goal in this trailer. And this guy never
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: the boot ate it up.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is uh. I have a I have a
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: serious suspect about this about the comments here, but regardless,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: let us do the article.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Probably fair, Yeah, they could be curating the comments section. Yeah, exactly.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: I will at this article. So again, I haven't seen
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: the documentary yet, plan on watching it.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: And yeah, and I want to point out still no
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: conversation about domestic violence, that men face, sexual assault, the
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: men and boys face, the draft, homelessness, failure in school right,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: the complete self.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Harm, addiction, suicide, and.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: The marginalization of men actually identifying as men, just being
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: able to be masculine without constantly being harped on as
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: that being a wrong category of being right. All of
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: that's completely completely ignored by this. A bunch of guys
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: want to make money to attract dames and the world
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: there that explodes. But all of this other stuff that
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: is actually stuff that we need to address to start
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: fixing the fault lines in our society. No, we're not
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: going to talk about that. We're just gonna have a
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: t Toms festival, poke fun at the men osephere bros.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: And then call it a day. Oh, the problem solved.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: And the funny thing is that they've constructed this by
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: breaking the association between men and their ethics and recognition
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: that men have an ethical system that's valuable, that they
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: bring something to the world. They've made a situation where
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: the average man is seen and is subpar by the
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: average woman. Therefore, there are no relationships really forming or
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: not sufficient numbers. There's no children being born, and you
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: have whole generations of young men who have absolutely no
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: access to family right none or a stable relationship. Generations
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: who then have a desire to live vicariously through these
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: dudes that have plenty. Well, where does that power, where
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: does that pressure come from? You think that manisphere would
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: have been around in the nineteen fifties when the average
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: man was married by the time he was like twenty seven, No,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: or that there would be no market for it, because
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: the average man had access to a family, had access
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: to a steady relationship with a woman, had reasonable access
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: to all of those things. Now they don't thank you feminism,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: and they there's a huge amount of them that want
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: to live vicariously. Why do you think these guys are
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: so performative because they are performing for an audience that's
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: hungry for a scrap of something that they used to
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: get just by virtue of, you know, being a man
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: who is willing to step up that's not that's not
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: that's not a little thing. Not saying that's a little thing,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: it's a big thing. But where are the women willing
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: to step up to feminism? Killed them?
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I use the word kill, the kill word. That means
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: that we are going to be double demonetized. Okay, all right,
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Actually one more thing. This has been haunting me since
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: we did the Byrony response. Byrony wants the beauty industry
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: to be a horrific holocaust that men do to women.
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: She wants men to have the same kind of guilt
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: and shame over the beauty industry they as they should
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: have over sex trafficking children in case, in either case,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: they are men really responsible for it, but let's just
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: leave it at that.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: She wants men to feel ashamed that the beauty industry exists,
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: but she does not want women to feel at all
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: pressured or judged for choosing to drive the beauty industry
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: with their products. So simultaneously, she wants to use it
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: as a moral bludgeon against men. But there's a problem
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: with that because women might feel bad for being the
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: ones driving this industry. So women can't feel bad for
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: choosing the thing that is the most horrible thing to
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: do to women, even though it's their choice that makes
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: the horrible thing. And the reason why men are providing
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: these things to women is because they want to eat,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: they want to survive, they want money to exist, and
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: that's non negotiable for men.
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: So this is the framework that Byrony wants to exist
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: in maximal moral obligation to men, minimal and no condemnation
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: of women, constructing the situation that men are responding to. Okay,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to get that off my chest because
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: it's been haunting me. It was like waking up in
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: three in the morning. I'm like, oh God, why didn't
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I say that?
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Then? Okay, so let's look at this article from The
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Guardian Caul. Surely, if you rule the manisphere, you can't
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: be your own boss, or you can be your own boss.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: These influencers aren't even that content creators claim they've escaped
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: the nine to five, as Lewis Thorreau's new show reveals,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: but are mere serfs to algorithms and audiences. Yeah, like,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: anyone who runs a business has to be essentially serving
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: their clients. So yeah, what are you talking about, unless,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: of course you are La Hunt who probably just gets
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: money from men unquestioningly. But whatever, I mean, Well, the
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: only way I could imagine it is that that was
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: the case, right.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, yes, that's a job you might escape the
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: nine to five. Do they really claim that? I think
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: content creators are very clear that it is a difficult job.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know what, well we'll see unless she didn't
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: watch the because in the trailer, I think this guy
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: said like escaping the system or whatever, right, or like
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: these guys have said that, but I think they mean
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: something else. Granted, again, I don't know what these Manisphere
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: guys that she specifically talked to believe. I seriously doubt
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: they're as informed as we are, like the actual issues mena.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that with complete confidence, Like I'm sure they
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: get like other things like how to invest and like
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: how to say it in shape or whatever, how to
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: attract women. They're younger guys, but like the real things
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: that are like killing men every day, they probably don't
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: think about that because again, because these guys are still
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: operating within the feminist framework that is all about the
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: removal of all morality or at least like not not
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: treating it as seriously, definitely no accountability for women. Women
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: are completely liberated, or at least we're working on it.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: And so therefore these guys can operate in as materialists
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: and selfish as possible because that's what gets them to win.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: That's how they win at the game. But that means
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: that they don't look at the men who are suffering.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: They don't look at the larger picture. They will probably
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: make themselves vulnerable to an awful divorce or allegation at
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: some point in the future. Yeah, that's what will probably
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: happen at some point, and I mean some of them
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: deal with that now, right, Like I think saying Andrew
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Wilson is part of the manisphere of.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Twenty one Club? Do you remember the twenty one club
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: imploding over a woman? Was it the twenty one? Yes,
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: it was the twenty one Club. Yes, it imploded over
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: a woman or something happened. There was a bunch of
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: the manusphere guys, and I guess some manipulative woman got
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: in there and managed to destroy a lot of stuff,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: And it's like, yes, that that is something like you can.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Guys like this usually have a very similar trajectory. They
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: get a woman who has no morals and she has
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: no morals, and the.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Space they're operating in that they end up lifelong bachelors.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: They don't a woman, but then they are vulnerable to
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: a number of women.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: So yeah, anyway, yeah, let's keep.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Singing the article. Who wouldn't want to be an influencer?
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: You're famous and maybe even rich just for doing what
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: you'd be doing anyway, working out at the gym, hanging
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: out with your mates and mucking about on the internet.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: You get paid to say what you think, or at
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: least are lent sent or at least sent free stuff,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: and no one's telling you what to do. Surely only
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: a sucker would do anything else, at least That's that
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: is the influencing dream, and many young men are buying
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: into it. Women also want to be influenced. In fact,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: I think women are more interested in being influencers than men,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: probably because they be much better at it. It's easier
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: for them.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: And many young men are buying into it. Yeah, and
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: now we're going to be again. You're absolutely right, Brian,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: it's not young men. It's just young people who are
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: buying into it. And you're right. Women are doing more
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: of it, except when their influencers seems like they're buck
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: cracks are more more salient for some reason.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Well it yeah. I mean, like if you are a
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: I think that to be a content creator, as a man,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: you are, I think that you'd have to really provide
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: something of value. And like, so if you're doing fitness content,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: then you better be super fit, like super fit right
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: to the point where people are like, are you on gear?
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: And you probably are. Actually I think this guy might
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: be because I can see on his chest there and there's
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: some acne that's covered up, which is you usually a
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: side effect from uh gear. But anyway, but if you're
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: and if you like do something else that if you
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: make money and you're talking about that, you bet you
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: have to be rich. Like there's like I think that
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: men can be absolutely be content creators, but the bar
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: is very high. You have to be really charismatic or
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: really funny or really talented. But with women, you just
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: have to be willing to get naked or at least
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: show some skin and you're gonna be fine. I'm I'm sorry,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: but it's just true, like women don't have There are
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: some talented content creators out there that are women, you know,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: but it's not necessary a lot of Yeah, it's not
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: like a lot of times they just couple that with
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: their if they have a talent, they might just couple
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: that with their looks, and that just like doubles up
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: on their you know, on on their impact.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 6: I mean.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: But anyway, Okay, content creator has for years been cited
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: as the most desirable career by Generation Z and now
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Generation Alpha. Interesting that they're not splitting that up into, uh,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: by gender, because I think that women. I remember seeing
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: a study about this, and I think it was Gen
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Z women that overwhelmingly wanted to be content creators or influencers,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: but the men less. So I think that there was
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: some that did, but I think the women were the majority.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: And whenever they take out the sex of something, when
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: they just say it's been the most desirable career by
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Generation Z and Generation Alpha, you notice that they don't
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: say whether it's you know, men or women. That already
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: tells you that, yeah, depending on how it will who
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: it will favor or disfavor is actually probably the truth
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: about what it is.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: So yet it wouldn't be favorable to their argument to
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: report the fact that women want to be influencers more,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: which makes perfect sense because influencing is a very social
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: performative thing. Like, no matter how you slice it, the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: guys in that video were social performers, right, and that
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: is a very feminine thing to be attracted to. Men
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: tend to prefer to do things that affect outcomes, you know,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: like build things, yeah, create, like dig holes in a
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: beach for no other reason than to see how big
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: the hole can get. Right, To drive trucks, to do
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: to do things in the physical world. That's why they are.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: That's why the productive layer is ninety nine percent male.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Like the people who are closest to and most responsible
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: for all of the commodities, infrastructure, all of even the
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: financial like the finances that support the commodities and infrastructure,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: rather than financialization, they're men, right, that that is a
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: male layer, and it's because men are more drawn to that.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Men are not usually drawn to showing themselves off with
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: their sunglasses. It's not something that that comes naturally except
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: for you know, performative men. There are them, you know,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: there are men who are like that. And it's not like,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to diss them, but for
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: the most part, that's not a masculine thing, at least
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: from what I've seen.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: No, I'm inclined to agree with that. I think I
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: think that for the most part, men who are online
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: that they are men who are building something, they're creating something,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: or they're teaching something, like maybe they're history content crated
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: to talk about history, or they talk about science or something.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't necessarily have to be like bodybuilding, although
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: there's plenty of that, but like it's usually the men
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: that are showing you some a skill that they have
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: worked hard to learn and they're kind of like sharing
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: it with people. Right, So yeah, they're and they're not.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, like if they're more attractive men, they're probably
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: going to do better. But it's not like that's the
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: thing that they're selling. You you know, Like there's like
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: cooking shows right, cooking YouTube channels, And there's this guy
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: named Cowboy Kent Rollins. He's like this cowboy guy and
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: he like works on the grill and he lives on
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: a farm or a ranch with a bunch of other
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: you know, like literal cowboys, and he makes barbecue and
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: you know he's like an old man, but he's super
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: nice and patriotic and you know, he's super friendly. He's
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: like somebody you'd like to know personally, and but like
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: he can cook though, so like the other stuff helps.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: But he's not a gigachat. He's like an old man, right,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: so he just wise or whatever. Yeah, Yeah, I think that.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: I think that it's definitely like a different animal.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's I think like even when you look
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: at men doing YouTube, influencer, like just an outright influencer.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Like those guys we just saw were more like influencers.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe they had some fitness and maybe some
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: financial I would be skeptical about how useful either was.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: But what they're really showing is I got the lifestyle
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: that you want and you can live it a bit
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: vicariously through me. But that's not even the much more
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: of the YouTube channels I see men making, or like
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: you were talking about the barbecue the cowboy, yeah, or
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: like how to.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Do something with, how to build a log cabin, hacking stuff,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: how to.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Build a log cabin, music, like having an interest in music, running.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Your dog to train your stuff.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: You can use, stuff you can use. But that's much
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: more common for men to be on that end of
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: the spectrum than the influencer end. Of the spectrum, and
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: now she is trying to pretend that the influencer end
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: of the spectrum is driven by men because she wants
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: to say something bad about it. Let's be honest here, Okay,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: all right, let's go.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: The preferred platforms might have changed over time, with streaming
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: on Twitch and kick now supplanting posting on Instagram and YouTube,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: but the aspiration remains the same to escape the drudgery
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: of a desk job. But Louis the Rose new Netflix
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: documentary reveals the catch. Though focused on the misogynistic online manisphere,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: it is equally compelling as a grim look behind the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: curtain of influen in production, revealing it to be at
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: best shabby and at worst soul destroying. Wow, so there's
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: actual work behind it? Is that what I'm saying, Like.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's see if she operationalizes that. Also, it's
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: interesting how they're trying a different vector for attack. They're
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: trying to make it so that it's ah, it's actually
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: still part of the system. And you notice how this
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: guy is like, oh, yeah, I'm more masculine than these
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: I'm doing stoicism while you're being a narcissist and again,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: they choose these guys. They're not choosing to interview people
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: who've talked about the issues that men face, people who
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: like me, who specifically talk about how the abuses and
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: exploitation of the productive layer, which is ninety nine percent male,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: is going to lead to a destruction of our society
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: because if there's no way we can continue this, they
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: don't talk to people like us, no interest.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: They're just trying to just credit us through attacking this stuff.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Like they could do it.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: They could equally do and in a documentary on Bonnie
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Blue and the other one, the one who the the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: like the arms race between Bonnie Blue and Lily Something. Yeah,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: they're arms race or penis race, genital race. God, this
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: race like there, you could do a documentary and show
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: how freaking shallow and vapid and narcissistic and in case
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: Bonnie Blue's case, I think it was Bonnie Blue, how
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: she might actually be grooming underage boys. But regardless, like
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: they're not doing that. Like if you want to, if
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: you want to go to people who are shallow, shallow
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: and vapid and say, hey, these people are shallow, vapid,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: there's plenty of women you could go to and do
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: a freaking shallow, vapid documentary on But they are choosing,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: and they're choosing to frame all of these issues through
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: these guys, right, and it is itself a manipulation. Let
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: me put it that way.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, The Rows featured creators claim to have
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: seen through the false promise of conventional careers to find
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: success on their terms. Yes, they have all the trappings,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: pools girls, luxury cars and watches, and jaunts to Dubai,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: though the last may be curtailed now. But going behind
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: the scenes, you see that is absent.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: Huh well hah hah, civilians are being bombed.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Oh I see, I see yeah, But going behind the scenes,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: you see what is absent from the social media highlights
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: and edgy viral clips. Life as an influencer is often
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: banal and just as much of a trap as a
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: standard nine to five. It's also much harder to get
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: out of what work is work?
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, work is so basically it says banal as a
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: nine to five, but you also get like bikini girls, pools,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: luxury cars, and watches.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's exactly It's still a job, though, guys,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I mean sure you get like a big house and
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: a luxury car and watches and girls and pools. But
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: you know, to say that you've escaped working, I mean,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: you're not making the case against this, like sign me up,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: I'll be an influencer. But I know it's not that easy. See,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: I can't just do that. Yeah, what's funny is like
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: the girls, you know, they benefit and they literally don't
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: have to have jobs. They could be like Windy's employees,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Like they could just work at the local Chipotle and
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: they and they'll have they'll be able to stay at
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: this dude's mansion and like you know, get rides in
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: his car and chill out on his boat. And that
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about that because for whatever reason,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: women getting things for nothing, it's not empowerment. I guess I.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: Also want to point something out right, she's saying that
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: the job is not what it's cracked up to be.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: But is she gonna say that they're being exploited by
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: the industry. No, she's OnlyFans models, though.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Yes they would. And also by this theme logic, then
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: the CEO of like a corporation is also works like
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: twelve hour days, but it also has pools, and luxury
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: cars and watches. Is he also a victim of the grind?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Is his life banal? Oh wait, that's too much sympathy
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: for a CEO though, isn't. It can't have that, So
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: we're just gonna not talk about that.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually sympathetic to not having too much sympathy.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: It depends on the CEO.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: Well, I know that you would say that because of
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: the recent work you've been doing, Alison. But I'm saying, like,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: these people just hate CEO's period. They just need the
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: idea of people working for money. Even Yes, there's corruption
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: and all of that, I get it, but this is
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: not what she would be attacking. She's just talking about
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: you know, fat guy pinstripe suits, smoking cigars with like
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: lighting cigars with one hundred dollars bills. That is a cartoon.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: But that's what they see as every man that runs
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: every company everywhere, all the time. Yeah. So and then,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: and according to this author, this belief system, Okay, guys
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: do not work like they just make money off of
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: the backs of the workers who are yet to rise
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: up against their oppressors. So what I'm saying is is
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: that if she's trying to paint these Manisphere guys as
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: despite all of their riches, they're actually like victims of
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: the system. Then you would also have to apply that
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: to the CEOs that they hate. Yes, the corruption exists,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: but you know, I mean, that's gonna be a.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: It's it's uh, it's it's government collusion and with.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: Exactly the real problem is the government.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, but ultimately you're right, she's she's she's
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: laying the framework for sympathy for people who get all
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: kinds of stuff from their labor because it's still banill. Well,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: who cares. I mean, they're okay, all right, But I
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: think what she's really saying is that they're Patsy's Let's
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: be honest. She's not gonna say that this is a
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: men's issue.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: No, no, of course not, and also probably that they're
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: too stupid to realize, like it's kind of like a veil.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: To realize that they should be working a banal nine
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: to five and not having bikini models or a wife
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: or a big house or plenty.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: You should be earning what a regular guy does and
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: doing just as well with women. Yes, it's not at
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: all well, okay, okay, all right, anyway, even the Manisphere,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: characterized in the mainstream as a hotbed of dangerous misogyny,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: might more accurately be characterized as a large scale grift,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: as the Rod told The Guardian.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: A large scale grift.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: How is it a grift?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: How it's because the people who are saying it are grifters.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see, It's like thieves.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: Always see everybody as a thief. Like it's.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: So we've labeled them grifters. Therefore, whenever they talk, they're grifting.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: I guess all right, all right, let's keep going.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: All right. Though it undeniably harbors toxic views, it is
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: perhaps best thought of as a masculine counterpart to the
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: female focused online world of wellness, with influencers peddling an
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: aspirational image and with it products and services. So it's
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: like wellness for women, which I guess they all. Then
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: that means that that threau should do a documentary on
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: women's wellness influencers that sell like creams.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: And I fucking hate this man's face, the way that
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: he's looking at this dude. He was this subtle concern
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: and contempt on skepticism. Do you see that?
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: Mm hm?
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: Oh so punishable? All right, keep going all right.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: For many in the manisphere, the misogyny seems almost besides
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: the point, like racism, homophobia, or anti semitism, let's just
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: lump all those together. It serves only as a button
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: depressed to generate attention and profit. Oh kind of like
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: how you guys press the button to like silence people
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: and maybe get them assassinated. I get, I'm just saying.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, if it's a button that has power and
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: you can use it to make profit, but you guys
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: are using it to get people murdered when you say
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: anti semitic or ra racist or sexist. You know, do
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: you remember when Nick Fuentes, You guys know who Nick
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: Foantes is? Right? You remember Nick Foanches is like a
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: paleocn kind of like, I don't know, he flip flops
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: a lot. But the point is he's a very like
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: fringe voice online and he's been going on and on
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: about you know, like black people and Jews and all
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: this other stuff. Right, But and the lgbtqs, I think,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I think he's one of them, maybe,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: But the point is no, he's claimed that he's had
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: like death threats done to him. But the one time
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: someone actually like showed up to his house to murder him,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: and he had to like get the police involved, and
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: it was like caught on camera. The one time that
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: happened was because he made that viral comment about owning
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: women's bodies. It was almost like all the other stuff
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: people were upset about, but they were to forgive. But
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: when they realize he hated women, or at least they
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: suspected it, somebody was ready to take him out. Just so,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: I'm just pointing out that sexism is like the line.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: It's like the biggest line. It's like the one you
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: don't cross. You'll get censored for other things, right, especially
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: if you're in England, but man say something about women,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: and also the guy to your house with a gun.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm saying that they're saying it's a button
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: you can press a general attention. I think that's a
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: confession though. Yes, yeah, it's a confession that they that
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: they know that the button works for them.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: In another way, well, yes they know because they keep
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: hitting the button of men oppressed women because they know
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: it gives them money in clout. All right, let's let's
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: get some more of these paragraphs. We gets through these paragraphs,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: there's so many, there's so many.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, take the main case study in Throw's documentary,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: twenty four year old Harrison Sullivan or hs HS Tikie Talkie.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: I guess that's this guy right here. Maybe no, that's
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: somebody else. Okay. To his audience of hundreds of thousands
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: across TikTok and kick, HS is not just living the
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: dream but selling it too, showing off his built body,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: harm of bikini clad models and life of leisure in Spain.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: He tells his typically young followers that they can achieve
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: the same for themselves by signing up to a dubious
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: investing platform. Sullivan takes a cut even if they lose
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: money relative to well, okay, but again, like.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: Who's losing out here? And who do you actually give
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: a crap about?
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if men are doing this, you have
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: to ask yourself like why why why are men doing this?
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: Why do they think they have to do that?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Why do they? Yeah, why do they think they have
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: to make money? Be built? And why are they giving
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: money to a man who's promising them even though he's
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: not delivering. Oh okay, next paragraph? All right, I thought
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: we would get through this without and Andrew Tate, but
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: apparently not.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Come on, Alison, come on. He's like the final boss
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: of misogyny right now, relative to arch villains like the
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: accused sex trafficker Andrew Tate who denies wrongdoing. Yeah, well
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: he hasn't been arrested yet, or even the looks maxine
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: provocateur du jour clavicular. Sullivan is small fry within the manisphere,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: but perhaps also more representative. He comes across as more
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: motivated by lining his pockets than he is restoring men
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: to the rightful place in the social.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Place, in the social order, a place, any place, any
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: kind of legitimacy at all, as a category of being right,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: any place at all, not defective girls.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: But their own category of being that is legitimate, that
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: you know, would have has persisted as half the human
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: race over the entire course of our genetic lineage. Don't
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: you think they might there might be something valuable to men,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: That's what they're doing.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Of course, this isn't really about that, because they're not
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: really they're not really challenging anything. They're just presenting a
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: vision of plenty that men can live vicariously through. They're
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: not actually challenging the problems that create the situation where
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: men don't have partners, they don't have children, they can't
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: get married. Not interested in that, right, but like this
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: is the thing, Like, it's not just their rightful place,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: it's any place in the social order, right, any recognition
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: of the value of men that this woman doesn't want
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: to see happen.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: No, no, she doesn't.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: I'm done.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: There are many crosses more motivated by lining his pockets
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: than he is restoring men to the right, rightful place
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: in the social order. And though he routinely broadcasts himself
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: saying and doing outrageous, offensive and cruel things, it is
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: seemingly only to provoke a reaction.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: And operationalize those things, Like where's the evidence.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like to see that, but I don't think
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: we're going to. With the attention, I can get more
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: fame and monetize, Sullivan explains to the Roau. He doesn't
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: believe the offensive things he says, Sullivan maintains, but it's
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: also irrelevant he can profit off it by the time
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: he is throw's age. Sullivan says he wants to be
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: valued in billions for the sake of his future children.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: All right, So let me let me just comment on this.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: So let's say, and I think it's true that a
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: lot of people say a lot of these guys and
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of people online in general, they say things
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: to provoke a reaction and it gets them to go
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: viral and they make money. This is like what people
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: do on X. There's like, it's like one of my
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: main criticisms of X is that if your posts get engagement,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: then you can make money off the posts. And so
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of rage bait on X for example.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: Right m hm. But here's the thing. Here's the thing.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: If you know that you're saying something specifically to provoke
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: a reaction, then why do we react to the things
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: that he says. So if we thought that what he
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: was saying was bait and we ignored it, or that
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like anything of any like substance, like they
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: were just saying racist things outline, then I or sexist
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: things and I didn't have a problem with it, Like
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: I was just like whatever, I would not be contributing
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: to the fame and monetization. But the people who do
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: are the people like the woman who wrote this article,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: you guys are the ones that are making it possible
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: for him to make money because you get upset about
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: the things that he says because you don't like it.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: That's that you are the reason he makes this money
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: and you don't have That's why you don't really have
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: a solution either, because the only solution would be he
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to say that.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's the solution they want. But here's the
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: other thing. Like Paul Elam used to say very controversial stuff,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: although the thing is that it would be comm troversial,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: but when you actually read it, you know it would
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: make a lot of sense. And he did that in
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: order to get attention for the media for the issues
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: that men face. And now these guys are using the
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: same tactic to make money, and they're they're paying attention
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: to these guys because they don't want to face what's
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: underneath all of this. Right now, you notice how that
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: it's kind of evolved and they're going further and further afields.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: You have Paul Elam, who you know, had solid information
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: and a reason for what he did, and if you
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: actually read what he was putting forth, you would see it.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: But of course the media would only latch on to
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: the most sensationalist interpretation, and his point was to bring
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: attention to the issues that men face by being silacious.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: And then you have you know, like the pickup artists,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: and that they take another layer of actually trying to
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: get attention to something. And now we're at these guys
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: using this to simply make money and they are the
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: only ones being paid attention to now, because this entire
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: system doesn't want to look at and it doesn't even
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: want to look at the fact that people respond to
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: this with outrage because he's targeting women. Right, Nobody likes
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: women being targeted, except for me, you know, because I'm
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: a perverse person. But I just you know, if somebody
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: tells me I can't do something, I just got to
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: do it. But nobody likes women being targeted. That is
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: pitchforks moment. That's when people get their pitchforks, Like Brian
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: was saying, that was the moment the Nick Fuentes was
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: not long for this earth, according to you know people, right,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: that was the button you press to send somebody armed
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: and willing to kill to someone's door. Right, That's always
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: been the button, and they don't want to acknowledge that.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: And they also don't want to acknowledge that if misogyny
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: is a problem Twitter, miss injury absolutely eclipses it. Like
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: miss injury in comparison to misogyny, misogyny is a yurt,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: and miss injury is the death star.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: Like that.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: It is there is, it's institutionalized, it's paid for, it
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: has a paper trail, And there's all kinds of female
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: influencers who've made gigantic audiences off of hatred and contempt
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: for men, overt hatred and contempt for men, condemnation of
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: men as an inferior class of being morally, all of that,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: And of course this article is not gonna look at
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: any of that, just like it doesn't want to see
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: that women are the majority of people who want to
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: be influencers. Okay, all right.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: Later on two Face two baby Face, Tate fanboys tell
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: the Row they took to Tate for advice, or they
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: look to Tape for advice on how to build intergenerational wealth.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: No job is going to be able to give you that,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: one says. The thing is, he's not wrong. Declining social
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: mobility and stagnating wages have made it next to impossible
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: to improve your financial position through work alone. Again, notice
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: they're leaving out the gender aspect of this, which means
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: it's actually probably affecting men more than women, because the
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: truth is is that women are getting jobs, they're more
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: likely to get them, they're better educated, or at least
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: they they're more likely to get an education because the
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: education system serves them. Plus even if they don't, even
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: if they don't get anything out of it, they can
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: just marry a guy that has it and then they're
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: they're set basically, So men don't have that option. So
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: when they say stagnating wages have made it next to impossible,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: they're trying to criticize the system, but they're not acknowledging
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: that that's probably affecting men. And I guarantee it if
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: we look this up, that's what it does say.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is like the subprime crisis hit men worse.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: Obama tried to put through an infrastructure bill and what
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: was shot down by feminists because it would primarily have
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: helped men. Right, Okay, this is this situation is because
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: we are we are engaging in extractive processes that are
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: destroying the productive layer of society. Right, And the productive
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: layer of society is the primary way that men are employed,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: and we are destroying it, okay, and women can find
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: jobs as excuse makers for this destruction, but men aren't
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: aren't as useful for that, which is why women are
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: like the majority of middle management now, because they're basically
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: the shield for this destruction. They're the ones who are
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: putting out the fog of war, so nobody can actually
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: gain traction and start pointing fingers at the at this
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: extractive layer that has developed, and specifically this extracted layer
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: that has developed because the FED back stops too big
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: to fail companies. Let's I'll just be really frank. Because
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: of that, these companies engage in bad financial bets that
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: they know they're going to be bailed out of, okay,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: and then as a result downstream result of that, that
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: destroys the productive layer of society, which is the primary
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: employment for men, or one of the most important employments
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: for men. That's this, and then nobody wants to talk
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: about this. Nobody wants to talk about it until everybody's
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: humiliated by a massive failure. Then maybe people might start
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: talking about it, yep. Or maybe we'll just have to
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: encapsulate this knowledge and hand it off to the who
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know when the dogs start their own civilization. Okay,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: The influencer marketing economy, meanwhile, is a potential gold mine.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Valued at twenty one billion twenty one point one bill
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. Clavicular reportedly earns one hundred thousand
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: dollars a month from streaming on kick alone. There are
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: women who make more than that though, a month that way,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: and they don't even like they're not even like OnlyFans' thoughts.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: They're just like on twitch, I think, like people like
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: Amaranth or Bell Delphine or whoever, whoever it is even
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: like what I don't know, there's like a chick that
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: has turets that makes probably more money than this guy,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: like whatever. So I mean to say that again, you're
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: trying to put the blame on men here, and women
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: make more. But here's the thing though, too, is that
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think this is necessarily good news because influencers
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: that are just entertaining people or just being themselves, like
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: they're just up there cooking or whatever it is they do,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: jumping jacks, they're not creating anything. So it's like it's
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: worrisome because the money that they're getting is coming from somewhere,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: and it's probably coming from people who are actually producing things, right,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: or at least part of an industry that produces. And
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not I think that I'm not saying that being
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: an online content creator is not productive, because obviously that's
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: what we do. But I'm saying like, it depends on
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: what it is you're creating, Like if you are sharing
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: information or philosophy, or you are a I don't know,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: like you're informing people in some way that's useful, or
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: entertaining people in some way that's like, you know, like
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: that requires some planning or skill. I think that you
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: that you could argue that those are productive, creative ways
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: of like you know, contributing to and creating value, because
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: culture is value as well. But if you're just like
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like you're just you know, just showing off,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: showing your asshole whatever, I don't think that's producing anything.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: So it's a bit worrying that that that's where all
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: the money is kind of.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, what, twenty one point one billion is nothing?
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably not much.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: Feminism probably raaks in between the divorce industry and all
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: of the industrial applications of feminism probably raaks in over
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: trillion a year, like and and all of the HR
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: and PR and the usefulness for feminist handmaidens to hide
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: institutional theft. Ah. God, they're probably making well over a
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: trillion years.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they are. And I'm saying that's that. But
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: that's not producing, That's what I'm saying. Like it's it's
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: obviously not it's it's it's draining.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, igue, what you mean. I wouldn't worry too
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: much about that with the like the male influencers though,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: let's uh, we got a ways to go.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: Let's see step the young people, faced with a lack
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: of opportunity and grim outlook, it may seem like a
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: cheat code of kind of marrying rich, as young women
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: are increasingly aspiring to with the Manisphere's conservatism reflected in
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: the rise of tradwives. Certainly it may yield a better
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: return and investment than climbing the ladder career ladder or
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: a costly, time intensive degree. Well yeah, but like again,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: men are not. They don't benefit from college. That's why
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: they're not going like you know, they were studying the
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: same women are getting a higher education. But men are
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: also realizing that college is a scam, and so they're
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: not going to college. And you're saying, oh, it's a
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: time intensive and it's it's costly. It's like, no, they're
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: they're checking out of that. That's that's obviously not good.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: They don't even like education now. Uh, and yeah, women
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: are are women are marrying rich. But I think how
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: they frame it as aspiring women are aspiring to marry rich.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: There another article, would you like me to cry? Now?
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: Theroux on the Manisphere, theoaoh on the Manisphere, Marriage and Misunderstandings,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: most daring documentary maker.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: Really, that's I think how he's framed.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm starting to be bored with this article.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: No offense, No, I.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: Mean I didn't write it.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just let me look at this, let me
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: see if there's anything further to look at. Let's see
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: we were, oh Guardian, we rely on the generosity of
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: our readers. Oh well, too bad then, okay, okay. Sullivan
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: tells Theoreau he dropped out of UNI to sell online
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: fitness programs, was soon making one thousand a day, prompting
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: the shift to streaming. He wound up influencing not just
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: because it was his passion, but because it was the
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: quickest path to riches. He soon found out the more
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: provocative the content, the more profitable, if profitable profitable it was.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: If I'd done just good things, I would never really
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: have blown up on social media, he says. Sullivan is contemptible,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: but he isn't stupid. He knows what he does too
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: is more is no more complicated than sales? All right.
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  Speaker 2: Sullivan spends his days narrating his workouts, having slack jawed
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  Speaker 2: interactions with his entourage, couldn't call him friends, and prowling
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  Speaker 2: the Marabellus trip. Okay, so he prides himself, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: having a boss. Sullivan is argued, less autonomous than a
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  Speaker 2: salaried employee existing at the mercy of algorithms is no, no, madam,
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  Speaker 2: It's arguably less is weasel words? You mean, not at
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: all as autonomous as a salaried employee. Yeah, Sullivan isn't
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  Speaker 2: his autonomous as an employee? You probably has to clock
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: his bathroom breaks, right, Okay. When Thureau asks Sullivan why
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: he does not want to try to be a good
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: person and lift people up, he responds with a mix
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: of defiance and fatalism. I'm not living for other people.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: I'm living for myself. Watching him be puppeteered by his audience,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: it's his best disingenuous but even if he believes it
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  Speaker 2: to be true, it's also not much of a life really.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, So what life we don't isn't like everything about
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  Speaker 6: what women are supposed to be doing right now, also
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 6: living for themselves, but we don't consider their existence is
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 6: to be hollow.
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  Speaker 1: Is that not? Also if you're saying his life is
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  Speaker 1: hollow and sad, then are you not saying that's true
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: of all women that are also just looking out for
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: number one, which is like what all women are told?
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  Speaker 2: Can I make an observation, most of these guys are
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: not white?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well they're not gonna point that out. So no,
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  Speaker 1: it's just like the in cells like the like, it's
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: likely the case that the majority of in cells on
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: the in cell forums are not white. They're like African,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: they're Indian, they're black, they're Latino, not Latino. We do fine,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: but like they're black Latino. I'm just kidding, but like
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: the majority of them are non white, but like they
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: have to be framed as white. The Man of Spirit
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  Speaker 1: documentary if it's gonna reveal anything, it's that yeah, like
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of these guys.
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  Speaker 2: Are not white, and yeah, and this guy is trying
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: to conflate Jordan Peterson with uh oh the one do
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: with the wife has is white? Remember yeah he's white?
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  Speaker 2: All Right, Okay, what what would you expect? What do
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: you expect? It's the usual, it's the usual bullshit from
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: the usual suspects. Yep, okay, bootstraps narrative.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The question is like, what is the point? I
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: have to watch it still, but what do you think
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: the point of the Row's documentary is? Like? What is
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: what is ultimately where he's supposed to where he expects
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: the audience to land on this, Like what is their
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: oppression supposed to be? And why? And it comes down
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: to a number of things. Why did he pick these
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: specific men to focus on? Even this article that talked
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: about that Sullivan guy, she uses that one guy story
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: to tell the story of everyone in the manisphere. Do
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: you see that? M hmm, Like that one guy is
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: indicative of all of them, and of course anywhere that
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: there could be, like where there's opportunity to make money,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: you're going to get people that are going to try
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: and leverage it in their in their favor anywhere, like anywhere,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what it is. But like, what's the
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: purpose of that?
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, I mean there's this other article,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: but I think that I think it's better to probably watch.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: The watch the actual documentary.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: Documentary. Yes, I have a problem with nouns. The entire
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: category of nouns perplexes me. Okay, but I think I'm like,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: how much woll we say about this? They still don't
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: talk about what needs to be talked about. This is
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: a this is a digression. It's a distraction. This is
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: and they don't even hit on what the real problem
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: is here. Why do young men want to pay these
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: guys this money? Right, if these guys were making you
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: rich and giving you access to these women, then why
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: is the situation the way it is? Right, If this
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: was working, if what these guys were doing was working,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: you know, the birth rates would be higher, there would
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: be more marriages, there'd be more stable family formation. But
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: it's obviously not so, and nobody, nobody in the media
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: wants to ask themselves, why are these men making so
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: much money on just presenting the the the appearance of
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: you know, financial wealth, the appearance of having plenty of
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: women of appearance. Why are they making so much money
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: at this when they wouldn't be if men had actual
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: access to family. Why would guys be watching this if
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: they if they actually had women's attention, you know, women's interests,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: they actually had family, actually had jobs that paid them
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: enough that got them to the point of being able
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: to support families, they wouldn't be. And why would men
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: be watching this if they're so concerned about the morality
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: of all of this. You know, when men actually were allowed,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: you know, weren't to stort considered defective girls and were
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: allowed to develop their own set of ethics based on
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: who what they were as men, Right, they wouldn't be
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: necessarily watching this kind of conflict content if it was
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: in moral Like, I don't think the guys on that
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: panel were necessarily interested in this kind of content. They
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: wanted to get They wanted to start families. The one
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: guy wanted a woman who had some kind of values, right,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: I think they all probably did. The one dude with
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: the one itist just wanted the one girl that he's
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: like being he's orbiting. But you know, they're all ready
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: to step up and be there half of a partnership. No,
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: no problem with morals. There are ethics, and yet they're
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: out till they're out in the cold, right they're not.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: They don't have partners but these does do something's wrong
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: and that and the media doesn't want to talk about that.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, one other thing too, this guy, uh, Saville Louis
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: whatever his name is, Louis Threau, not Saville Louise. I
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: was thinking about the other guy, Louis Threaux. He has
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: three sons and he says that it's his first encounter
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: was what the manisphere was through his sons twenty eighteen
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: and eleven. So his sons are consuming manuspeer content. I
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: think he's trying to stop them, and he's trying to
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: make a documentary to like seer his sons away from that.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: I think that you're gonna have to listen to your sons, bro,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: like actually hear out their issues, because if you have
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: three boys and you don't know what men's issues are,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: then you're fucking your boys over. I'm just letting you know.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: And that's why they're going somewhere else to find answers. Yeah,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying the other one.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're filling the void with something, right, They're filling
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: the void with.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: They're looking for answers. They want the truth. They're tired
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: of getting shit on for being men, and these guys,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: like the Manisphere is a lot of things, but you know,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: there's probably something they get that's of value. And I
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: bet that they're watching people who are actually more substantive
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: than the ones that he's featuring in his documentary. And
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: he's choosing those guys because he wants to like tear
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: it down. Just talk to your sons, bro.
• 1:40:58
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