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08 Sep 22 – I Murdered My Brother and Became Possessed · The Dr. Luis Sandoval Show – Virgin Most Powerful Radio

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Dr. Luis Sandoval is accomplished in the fields of mental health and spiritual
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warfare, a medical doctor board certified in neurology,
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psychiatry and family medicine.
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He is also a psychiatrist for the Roman Catholic diocese of orange ministry
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of healing and deliverance. Now, Dr.
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Louis Sandoval.
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All right, folks, for welcome to Virgin, most powerful radio,
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you are listening to the Dr. Lu Sandoval show as always. I am your host, Dr.
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Lu Sandoval,
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and it is a pleasure to be here with you listening to our Catholic radio,
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sharing our Catholic faith here at the clinic. We talk about our mental health,
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our spiritual health and our physical health. Of course,
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today's show is a little bit interesting. Um, you know,
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the title I murdered my brother and I became possessed. Um,
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does that really happen? Well,
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I got an interesting story to share with you about a man. I was treating, uh,
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who shared that story himself, but, and I thought it was interesting, you know,
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to say that that's what it came down to.
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He wasn't sure why he was possessed or what was going on in his life or what
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brought it about, but that's really what happened and, uh,
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can somebody be liberated from that? Absolutely.
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But before we get started here at the top of the new hour,
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if we're gonna talk about such intense things on our show,
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let's go ahead and start with some good prayers with the Angelus and the prayer
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to St. Michael in the name of the father and of the son of the holy spirit,
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amen. The angel of the Lord declared into Mary and she conceded the holy spirit,
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hail Mary full of grace.
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The Lord is with the blessed Artha amongst women and blessed as the fruit of eye
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wo Jesus, holy Mary mother of God. Pray for us sinners. No,
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at the hour of our death, amen. Behold, the hand of the Lord,
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be it done unto me, according to the word, hail Mary full of grace,
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the Lord is with the bless at Artha amongst women and blessed.
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It is the fruit of th wound. Jesus, holy Mary mother of God.
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Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
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And the word was made flesh and dwelt among us hail hail Mary full of grace.
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Lord is with the bless at Artha amongst women and bless it as the fruit of I wo
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Jesus, holy Mary mother of God,
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pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death, amen.
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Pray for us a holy mother of God,
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that we may be made wor worthy of the promises of Christ. Let us pray.
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Pour forth would be speeched the oh Lord, that grace into our hearts that we,
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to whom the incarnation of Christ lies son was made known by the message of an
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angel made by his passion and cross be brought to the glory of his resurrection
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through the same Christ, our Lord, amen, St. Michael,
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the arc angel defend us in battle,
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be protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke.
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And we humbly pray and do thou princes of the heavenly host by the power of God,
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cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who around the world seeking the
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ruin of souls. Amen. The name of the father and of the son of the holy spirit.
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Amen. Well folks, why could this be, you know,
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we talk about a lot of different things and you know,
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when you look on TV and you look at Hollywood and you look at all these
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different images of what possession is and what happens with possession,
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usually we start to see that, um,
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the portrayal is you were doing something very, very directly a cult.
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You were doing something very, very directly related to, uh,
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worshiping the devil or, uh, bringing about evil spirits. You know,
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a lot of times we say, oh yeah, they were playing with the Toro cards.
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And all of a sudden they got possessed because they were calling upon evil, uh,
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or somebody was playing with the oui board. And of course, you know,
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they were tapping into the nether world. And because of that,
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naturally they opened doors to darkness and, you know, gosh,
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I never want to do that. I never want to open any doors to darkness. I never,
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I wanna make sure that that's just not part of, uh, my life.
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And so I'm gonna go pray and I'm gonna go do, do these things.
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And I'm gonna be really shocked and appalled every time,
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something like that comes up because I want that completely away from me.
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And I'm gonna teach my family never to be near anything that looks like it's a
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cult. And of course, those are some very direct ways, direct entry ways,
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direct ways that we open portals into the dark side.
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But the question now is what about the everyday things we do?
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What about the sins that we carry with ourselves?
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What about those things that we're not willing to let go of that we have every
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day that we Harbor every day and guess what? Little by little,
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they start to accumulate. It's interesting because, uh,
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a lot of times people don't realize and they think, well,
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possession happens overnight. You know, something, something that goes as,
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as deep and dark, as, as a demonic possession, demonic,
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obsessions influences that happens overnight. You know how I know,
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because I saw it in the movies, right? Somebody was doing something.
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And in that moment, boy, that Demonn entered them and,
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and they were possessed and they needed to call it priest right away. And to,
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to remove all of this, is that really how it happens in life?
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What we have to realize is in order to get to the level of some kind of intense
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possession, intense influence of the darkness in our lives,
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usually we've been giving permission, uh, throughout time.
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It's not just a one time thing. Usually it's been accumulating,
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we've accepted certain things in our hearts, in our minds, in our souls, um,
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little by little, and we say, you know what? That's okay because I've made it.
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Okay. And what I mean by certain things, it can be simple little sins. Like,
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you know,
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I really don't like this person and I'm not gonna try to find anything good
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about them. And the more I'm around them. Oh,
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the more they really do weigh on me, man. They are so annoying.
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They, I don't know, you know what? I'm just gonna step away.
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This is the person I work with or something, you know,
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it could be somebody we see, uh, when we go to the store,
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whatever the situation is, we start not liking this person.
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And we don't do anything to change that we don't look for the good in that
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person. We just kind of continue holding onto that. And we say,
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I don't like that. In fact, you know what, I'm just gonna start to ignore them.
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I'm gonna start to cut them off.
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I'm gonna start to pretend they're not even there.
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And they do say something to me.
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I'm just gonna be very short with 'em and move on because boy,
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there's something about them. I just don't like, like,
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and that's just how it goes. You know, that, that's how it's gonna be.
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Whenever I go to work, if they need help, I'm definitely not gonna help them.
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Why would I do that? Gosh, they're, they're so annoying. You know,
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I'm just gonna go home and I'm gonna be happy knowing that I'm a good person.
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I don't annoy other people or so we think, but I don't annoy other people. I, I,
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I feel that I'm gonna do what's right. I'm gonna go pray my rosary and boy,
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I just know that I don't like this person and that could continue to grow.
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I mean, it could stay stagnant like that,
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and that's not good if it stays stagnant over time,
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it starts to be like a little festering wounds. But as we know,
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festering wounds can get worse and worse.
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So it can continue to grow to the point where not only do we not like the person
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or do we find that person off putting, uh,
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we might even go out of our way to make sure that they don't get promoted or
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that other people kind of see how we feel about them, you know?
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And we do it in a way where we're like, Hey,
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have you ever noticed anything about that person? Do that? You know,
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I just find them a little challenging. Do you, do we agree here? Do,
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do we see eye to eye on this? And the other person might say, yeah, I do too.
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Wow. Okay. That confirms what I was thinking. That's for sure.
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Because I was already looking for that answer and I'm holding onto this.
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And every time I see this person, I get more, either angry or irritated,
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or I find him even more distasteful. This can happen. It's very common.
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It's human nature. The question is what is the consequence to our soul?
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What's the, the consequence to ourselves in this situation? What am I doing?
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Well, little by little folks. If we do that,
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we're allowing the door of irritability, hatred,
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whatever you want to call it,
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to be open and maybe to open other doors and little by little we're
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allowing something to build and build and build and build.
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And we don't even recognize it. It's kinda like the story of the, uh,
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frog that it's in a boiling pot, you know, turn on the heat,
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really nice and low. And it just keeps getting hotter little by little,
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but the frog doesn't realize that it's being cooked because the temperature's
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rising in a very calm, cool fashion, but it's looking pretty dangerous.
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You're gonna die here. Well,
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a lot of times that can happen for us as well were allowing this evil to be
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in our hearts. We're allowing this hatred to be in our heart.
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Something that goes against our commandment, something that goes against, uh,
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the fifth commandment, in fact, and Dr. Saba, what do you mean?
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That goes against the fifth commandment? Fifth command is actually not kill.
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I'm not killing this person. Well, we're gonna have to ask ourselves,
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how do we define what it means to kill?
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Because if we go back to the definition of dying and strictly the physical
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death, then we are no better than that. Serpent in the book of Genesis.
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If we go off of well, you know,
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dying means a physical death and I'm not gonna die. I'm not dying,
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right? I can, I can eat at the apple and not die.
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I'll just have knowledge of good and evil. Well,
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I opened the door to knowledge of evil, which wasn't there,
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which means that I've opened the door to evil, being around. If I do that,
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if I'm doing something that might kill my soul and I don't even even
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think about it,
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I don't think about it twice because it's just happening in the background. Um,
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you know, it's, it's an interesting, um, thing to consider,
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but let's see if we're any different in our influence than what it said in the
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book of Genesis. Now I'm gonna read from Genesis chapter three, um,
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it's called it's the fall of man. And this is what it says. Now.
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The serpent was Mo was more crafty than any of the wild animals.
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The Lord God had made. He said to the woman, did God really say,
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you must not eat from any tree in the garden? Well,
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we can translate this into,
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did God really say you have to like everybody did God really?
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Isn't it human to not like people isn't isn't it. Okay. I mean, we,
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we can't make friends with anybody. What do we call that?
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When we're out in public? Oh, there's just a personality difference here.
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This is question of personality issues. Well,
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is that what we're called to as Catholics is what we have to ask ourselves.
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So remember the devil's already introducing questions,
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questioning what God had said.
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Did God really say that you must not eat from any tree in the garden?
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Did Jesus really say, you gotta love your enemies? Mm let's think about it.
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What does a woman say? She says to the serpent,
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we may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,
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but God did say you must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of
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the garden and you must not touch it or you will die. What does Jesus tell us,
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turn the other cheek. Well, he did say turn the other cheek. Uh, Jesus said,
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love your enemies. Um, he said, love your neighbors as you love yourself.
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So he, he is putting all these things in play. Well, what's the devil gonna say?
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I mean, we, we, we come back with, well, this is what Jesus did say. Well,
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the devil's gonna say, well, you're certainly not gonna die.
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So Jesus is telling us if I do something wrong, I'm gonna, I I've,
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I've murdered my brother. We're gonna get to those verses in, in the gospels.
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Um, but what's the devil gonna tell us,
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he's gonna say you will not certainly die to certain ENT to the woman for
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God knows that when you eat from it,
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your eyes will be open and you will be like God knowing good and evil.
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So what's the difference? Well, no, you're certainly not gonna,
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you're not killing anybody. They're not gonna die.
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What's gonna happen is your eyes will be open to realize that people aren't
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perfect and that you don't have to accept imperfection because didn't Jesus also
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tell us to be perfect. And boy, if they're not perfect, why would I accept them?
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They're not following the way of Jesus. Isn't that? What happens?
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Isn't that the way it is brought about isn't that what the serpent tells us to
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do tells us to, uh, challenge that, which God tells us, right.
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To see it from a different way. Well, if I see it from a different way,
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I'm listening, what am I listening to?
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I'm leaving the path of Christ and I'm opening up the doorways to the
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dark side. So this is where we really gotta ask ourselves.
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When we come back from the break, I know the break's coming up in a,
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in a little while here. When we come back from the break,
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I'm gonna share the story of this patient I saw and what was going on with him
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and how he became influenced by the dark side and how we can avoid those
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pitfalls in our very lives. More. We come back from the break.
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Right? Well, welcome back to Virgin. Most powerful radio.
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You are looking to the Dr. Blue sand of all coach as always.
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It's a pleasure to be here.
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Today. We are talking about an interesting topic. And the question is,
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what does it really mean to murder somebody? You know,
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I had a patient who, uh, was really influenced by, um,
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some challenging, challenging things going on in his life.
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He found that things just were not going well.
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Things didn't make sense. He was, uh, it probably been late thirties.
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He was in his late thirties. And when he came to me,
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it was because he just didn't know what was going on.
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He didn't know what was going on. Uh, he,
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to give you a little bit of a background, he was married. He had some kids. Um,
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his wife was fine. His kids were fine. They were doing well in school.
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There was nothing extraordinary, uh, going on in his life.
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Other than for himself, he could not think straight. He could not, uh,
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see things clearly is what he would say he was at work, but it was like,
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he wasn't there. He felt like his mind was being controlled.
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He said that he wanted to do something.
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He wanted to go ahead and get on the computer,
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do his computer work or whatever it was that he needed to do at work.
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And somehow his mind could just not go to this. He could not focus.
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He said that he could he'd get home and he'd try to start a task.
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And he couldn't do anything. Um, because he'd start the task,
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but he would do it halfway. It didn't make sense to him. He said, it's like,
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it's right there in front of me. I want to get this done.
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But somehow there's a disconnect between my brain and my body.
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I try to get my hands to move and they will.
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But I just feel like I can't control them. Like I can't control my body anymore.
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This is completely strange.
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And so when you need to evaluated a few different things about anybody's ever
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feeling this way, I don't want you to think, oh my goodness, this is it.
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I must be, uh, influenced by the dark side. I,
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I must be influenced by a Demonn or something in my life. No,
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let's review this because obviously if you're coming to me in the clinic,
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I gotta evaluate a few things. So first as always, we start with the physical,
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we start with the body. We start to see, well, what's going on with your body,
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or you depleted at any vitamins. A lot of times,
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if you have a vitamin B 12 deficiency, this could be an issue.
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If you have a vitamin C deficiency, this could be an issue.
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If you have anything in terms of your, your body's deficiencies in,
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in terms of the vitamins, the electrolytes and things of that nature,
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you might not think clearly I've had patients who have been low in their sodium,
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low in their electrolytes, and they can't think clearly. In fact,
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one of the symptoms of being off in your electrolytes is that you can develop
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psychotic type symptoms. Um, and you might see things,
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hear things act differently than you normally would.
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So you do the lab work and he looked pretty good. Okay. Physically looking.
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Okay. Uh, it was a little bit outta shape, but no big deal,
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nothing that would've influenced him in the way that, that he was experiencing,
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because remember he was experiencing what he was experiencing was really,
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he had no control over his body. At this point. It was very, very challenging.
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So now let's get things straight though. Let me clear a few things up.
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He wasn't saying that his body was moving on its own.
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He wasn't saying that he was speaking in tongues.
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He wasn't saying anything along those lines.
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The only thing that he was experiencing is he couldn't move forward. He was,
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he just wasn't able,
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it was kinda like he was stuck in a tar pit or like he was stuck in a VAT of
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what cement and, and he had to get through.
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It's kinda like trying to sprint in the swimming pool.
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He just could not move in that direction.
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And sometimes it was hard to even start that move. Okay. Well,
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physically everything's looking pretty good. Thyroid was looking okay.
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No problems in the, in, in the urinary tract. No, no obvious signs of infection,
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no meningitis, nothing that would physically cause these symptoms.
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So that was pretty interesting. Okay. So then we move forward and we say,
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physically, you're looking pretty good. Let's look at your mental health.
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What could possibly cause this there's a few issues and mental health that can
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cause this, and we need to be aware of these issues. So right away,
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the first thing we're gonna look at a psychiatrist.
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Is there any anxiety or depression in going on, uh, in, in your, in your mind,
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shall we say in your life, of course, as human beings, anxiety, boy, well,
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that's gonna be across the board.
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Everybody feels anxious every now and then that's a normal human emotion,
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but is it getting to the point where it's clinically significant,
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where it's impairing you for moving forward? This is possible.
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People can have an anxiety that is impairing them from moving forward,
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meaning that they are so anxious that they can't even leave the house because
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they're so worried that something's gonna happen, that they can't get in a car.
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Cuz there will be a car accident. They don't wanna take a trip anywhere.
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God forbid they take a vacation because if they get on that plane,
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all of a sudden what's gonna happen.
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The plane's gonna crash right in their mind. Um,
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or they're not gonna get on a boat cuz the boat's gonna sink.
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When somebody has a lot of anxiety, generalized anxiety, nothing is good.
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And everything's a source of stress and good luck trying to convince them.
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Otherwise it takes a lot for somebody who's experiencing that to move forward.
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So sometimes we can see that people with generalized anxiety or very severe
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anxiety or specific phobias or things along those lines can have what we call
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analysis paralysis. They think about it too much. They're analyzing, analyzing,
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analyzing, and they paralyze themselves.
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I don't know if anybody's ever experienced this,
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say that you were studying for a test for school.
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And of course everybody's gonna get anxious. That's normal.
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That's a normal anxiety. That's not a clinical anxiety.
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I'm anxious before taking this test. Okay. So what are we gonna do about that?
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Well, we're gonna study, but you know what? This stuff's not making sense.
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The more I read it doesn't make sense at all. I'm getting more and more anxious.
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And as I get more and more anxious, what's happening, I can think even less.
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And it can get to the point where the anxiety's no longer productive because
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initially some of the anxiety can't be productive.
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If there's a fire in the room, I hope I get anxious and, and walk away.
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If I see a car coming my way,
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I hope I jump out of the street or outta the way of the car,
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wherever the car is because that anxiety's productive.
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But we can get to a point where the anxiety is so intense.
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I can't even think now, in fact, I need to study for this test,
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but I'm just too. I'm not even look at it. I'm gonna put it away.
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And the night before the test,
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I'm really gonna be anxious that anxiety's gonna go up. You know, that's that's,
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those are normal things. That's, that's a good anxiety to have,
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except for when it, it paralyzes me like that.
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So the good an anxiety's getting outta the car,
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the bad anx anxiety is when we get over that hump and there's, I'm so anxious.
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I can't even look at the material for the test that can happen.
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That can paralyze us. Is that what was happening to this man?
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Not really his anxiety wasn't anything other than the fact that he couldn't get
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things done. And then he felt anxiety. Then he felt like, gosh,
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I'm anxious because I can't get things done,
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but I'm not anxious wanting to get them done. I wanna get them done.
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I wanna move forward. I just can't move forward.
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There's this invisible block that I cannot explain. Okay,
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well let's look at depression and depression.
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We have something called psychomotor retardation.
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And what that means is the brain, the psycho part,
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the psychic part of ourselves and the motor part, the body part,
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they are not in tune. They are not in line.
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So if somebody does suffer clinical depression and I don't just mean that you're
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sad, but we can use that ex that, uh, example as well. Uh,
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but if somebody is suffering clinical depression,
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their body's just not moving their mind knows what they want to do,
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but their body's not moving with this. It's just not happening.
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I can sit on the couch all day long and I want to go get up and go to work.
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But my body's not responding or I just need to get up and go do a few,
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run a few errands, go take care of a few chores. My body's not responding.
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There's a, a clinical depression going on there. It's just not happening now.
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And this happened to people when they're feeling sad. Absolutely.
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Let's look at an example, say that you are mourning the death of a loved one.
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And if you're mourning the death of a loved one, well,
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how many times did we feel like doing anything? Somebody just passed away.
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I'm in the middle of grief. I'm grieving. I'm at home. I can't think much.
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I can't get anything done. In fact, people will tell you, you know what,
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take a few days off of work and do something because obviously you're not gonna
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be productive. That's to be expected. Imagine trying to go do some work or work,
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you know, to your full potential. When that, when this occurred,
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when the death of somebody very close to us, to us occurs,
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it's not gonna be easy.
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I'm not gonna be able to get my test and it's not gonna make sense.
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And we know that we know that all of a sudden I'm not able to move forward.
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I'm not able to be productive. I'm not thinking clearly.
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And I might just sit there in a vegetative type state where I don't wanna move
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that's normal.
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But when there's nothing preventing us from doing that or no inciting
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event, nothing happens that just comes on.
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And all of a sudden we can't move forward.
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I can't get to taking care of the tasks that I normally take care of done.
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That can be an issue. And all of a sudden we have a clinical depression.
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So for this patient who is telling me I can't get things done, I was thinking,
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wow, this sounds a lot like a depression.
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I think you might be going through a depression. And he said, you know,
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I'll trust you doc. I guess let's try it out. Okay. Maybe, maybe I'm depressed.
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Okay. So that was one thing that we were considering fully the anxiety component
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wasn't there, but um, the, the depression component was there.
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The other thing we need to consider is are you having any kind of attention
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deficit disorder? Can't focus, can't get things done. I get something started.
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I can't finish it. I move on to the next task and the next task. And I,
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I just can't get 'em done. So that's something else to consider.
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We gotta ask ourselves. Well, is there something blocking, um,
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this person from doing that in inattention deficit disorder could as very well
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do that now in his particular case, what I thought was,
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I think you're going through depression.
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I think you're going through depression and we need to address this issue.
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So we started prescribing a medication.
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Now this medication would've taken care of depression,
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it would've taken care of anxiety. Um, didn't really work.
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And we tried a different one didn't really work. And we gave it its full course.
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You know,
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we gave it a couple months for each of these medications to see if there was
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even any kind of an effect. Medications were good. He wasn't experiencing, uh,
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from one of them, he had a few side effects, some GI issues, his stomach,
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it kind of upset his stomach from the other one. It didn't, um,
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we tried to actually three or four medications and nothing seemed to even move
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in a particular positive direction where one would say, yeah, you know, gosh,
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okay, something something's working here.
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And there was really no change he's he remained the same. There,
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there was no change in his affect his attitude.
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And so we started talking about a few other things, ADHD.
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The more that we looked at that as, as far as attention deficit disorder, um,
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it wasn't, it wasn't anything really along those lines, it was just really,
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he just felt this block, this internal block and what really made me,
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uh, think about,
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we think we need to really start to consider the spiritual aspect of your life
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here is that he said, you know,
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after trying all these medications doc and doing all this, it I've come,
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you know, I've, I've stopped. And I I've asked myself what's happening here.
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What's going on? And I asked him, yeah, what did you come up with?
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Because obviously, um, we're not in his shoes, I'm listening to his story.
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It could be a few different things. And he said, when I wanna do this,
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it's like, there's a block in my heart.
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Like as I'm trying to get through my day, it's like, my heart is blocked.
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I don't feel so much in my head. I don't feel so much in my body,
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but I feel it in my heart. And that's interesting.
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We explored that a little bit more. And I said, tell me more about that.
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And he said, you know, it's kind of like when,
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when you have a player in a professional sport and he said, you know,
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some players they're gonna play and they're, they're doing it for the money.
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You know, they're doing it for the money it's business. They go in there,
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it's a job and they're gonna play for the, the highest, uh,
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bidding team.
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So whoever gives 'em the more money that's who they're gonna play for.
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And he said,
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but there's other players who come on the field and you see them running around
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and you see them playing their, their, their sport.
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And you realize that they really enjoy it. Their heart is in it.
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They got their heart in it. All of a sudden they really, really enjoying it.
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And you can tell man, this guy, he's, he's a joy to watch play,
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cuz no matter which team he plays with,
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he enjoys it so much that he's having fun.
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The crowd is having fun with him and it makes the, the game play that much more,
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enjoy enjoyable. He said, you know, that's that guy's playing with heart.
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He said, I don't think I'm living with my heart right now.
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I think this blog comes from,
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I feel like everything's just kind of a chore a business. If you will,
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I have to do it. There are a lot of things that I just have to do.
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And it's just, I feel this block in my heart. Well,
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we had to start to explore that. And I said,
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that's interesting because obviously I'm trying to treat your mind.
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Your body was fine. I'm trying to treat your mind.
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But now you're talking about your heart and this is where,
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where I started thinking. Now you're talking a little bit more about your soul.
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What's going on in your life. What's going on in your spiritual life.
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What's going on in terms of, um,
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is there anything heavy burdensome things along these lines and you started to
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share with me a few things, you know,
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we started to explore each individual relationship that he felt was a close
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relationship in his life.
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He wouldn't wasn't having any issues with anybody at work. Uh, per se,
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he was well liked at work. So with his wife, he was fine. You know,
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he said it was status quo. He said, a marriage,
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maybe boring sometimes is what he described it. As you know, he,
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he said it doesn't always have that excitement,
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but he had a couple kids and you know, with the kids, he said,
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it's hard to balance, you know, the attention from my wife,
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attention to my kids and going back and forth. And so that's pretty normal.
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That's, that's pretty normal in the marriages.
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Any risk of divorce or anything like that? He said, no, not at all.
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They would never even consider it.
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Alright, folks, welcome back to Virgin powerful radio.
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You are listening to the doctor, Louis Sandoval show as always.
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It is a pleasure to be here with you today.
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I have an interesting conversation today regarding what does it mean to murder
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and what are the consequences of murdering somebody? You know,
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we talk about different things in terms of what it means to kill what it means
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to murder. Um,
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obviously the most obvious one is you take somebody's physical life.
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Um, but I think a much more powerful meaning to the word murder is when you kill
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somebody's spirit, when we kill them spiritually or you know, and we,
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well actually, before we get to the,
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or we can think about that in terms of putting somebody down,
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making somebody feel less than getting rid of somebody's dignity.
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We can say that we killed them internally. And then there's another way to,
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shall we say, kill somebody or murder them. Uh,
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and that would be to just cut them off to just not speak to them anymore,
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to close all the doors of communication to them. And then that's it. You know,
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we don't, we don't talk to them. We don't speak to them and,
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and they're dead to us and we are dead to them. Technically speaking,
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there's all different kinds of death. Why is this important? Well,
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we're talking about a, a gentleman who I was helping out, um,
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interesting case where he felt that, you know,
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he couldn't move forward in his life. There was something wrong, uh, going on,
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he couldn't accomplish some of the most basic things to fulfill his life.
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He was trying to do work. He was trying to get things done and you know,
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at work he would eventually get things done, but he wasn't productive at home.
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He said everything was in slow motion. We evaluated in questioned.
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Does he have anxiety? Does he have depression?
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Is there something physically wrong with him?
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And there was nothing physically wrong with him.
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And as we were saying before the break, he said that there was a problem.
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He felt a blockage in his heart. He said his heart wasn't in it,
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his heart wasn't. And by it, he meant life. His heart wasn't in life.
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There was something going on. We went through his family members and you know,
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everything was looking okay. He was getting along with his wife.
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He was fine with his, with his kids. Uh,
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there didn't really seem to be anything going on.
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The only thing he did say was that there was a rift between him and his brother
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and that this has been going on for a while and that he knew he was right.
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And his brother was, you know, in the wrong,
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but they hadn't spoken for some time. They hadn't spoken in about two,
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three years. And he said, that was really the only thing, you know,
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nothing that he thought about on the daily basis.
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But it was something that was just kind of hanging out there,
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kind of burdening him a little bit. And we started with that and I said, well,
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where does you know, where do you feel that burden?
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Do you feel in your shoulders? Do you feel it in your head? He goes, no,
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obviously, you know, so we, we came down to the obvious,
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which we don't think about sometimes, but for him it was in his heart. You know,
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he said, no, I kind of feel that in my heart. I said, well,
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why don't we explore that? Because spiritually,
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it sounds like you're carrying a spiritual burden and that might be something
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that is keeping you from moving forward, what's going on.
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And so he said, you know, I feel a darkness. I feel a darkness in my heart.
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It's almost as if a person is there, um,
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kind of in a way telling me to hold onto this, to that,
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that I was that I shouldn't reach out to my brother. It's gonna be too hard.
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And that if I do reach out to him, what's the point.
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We're just gonna get into an argument and then I'm right. Anyway, um, he said,
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I feel like a, like, almost like a presence, if you will, uh, something,
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something, a heavy weight. Um, but really like, like there's somebody there,
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like, like something's holding onto something kind of, for me, you know,
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like I don't even have to hold onto to this point,
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something's holding onto this, to this, uh, rift to the anger, to the,
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to whatever it is that we're arguing about.
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I don't remember the specifics of the argument was something about, you know,
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difference of opinion on, on something. They started to argue about it.
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Each of them wanted to be right. Uh, neither of them wanted to,
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to relinquish any, um, acceptance of the other person's point of view.
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And he said, you know, he's just not seen it my way and I'm not it his way. And,
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uh, the argument was overall, I would say pretty insignificant.
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It wasn't anything that anybody would say, wow,
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of course you guys are arguing about that.
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It seemed pretty insignificant from the outside, but obviously on the inside,
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it was something that was tearing them apart.
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And it was something that was weighing heavy on this man's heart.
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What I found interesting is he said,
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I kind of feel the presence of somebody there holding onto this for me,
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kind of helping me, uh, hold this anger kind of helping me, um, you know,
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move forward. If you will,
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even though obviously the situation was that he couldn't really move forward in
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life,
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but they kind of move forward with this to kind of continue to journey with this
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anger. I thought that's kind of an interesting descriptor, you know,
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I didn't egg him on to, to describe that or, or mention that to him.
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He just kind of, as he was doing an introspection,
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as he was looking into his heart, just kind of very honest saying, you know,
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it's like it's there and, and there's a person.
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And I thought that was interesting because, you know,
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obviously when somebody is fully possessed or has something going on, you know,
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we see this in deliverance, obviously some there's a different presence.
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There there's a person there and not a, not a good person who we wanna say, uh,
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the, the demonic or an angel is a person as a person of an angel. Um, the,
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the fallen angel still there and, and has a certain type of, uh, uh, personhood.
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So we say, um, you know, personified, evil right. Is, is a Demonn or,
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or a fallen angel. That's personified evil. There's,
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there's a personhood to that. Um, and I thought that's interesting.
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And it made me think a little bit about the Bible readings.
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Let's read a little bit about murder in the Bible and what Jesus has to say
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about it. This is Matthew. Actually, we're gonna start,
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I was gonna start with Matthew chapter five, but let's start with a, uh, um,
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just before Matthew chapter five, let's start math well after chapter five,
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but there's an interesting reading. Let's start with Matthew chapter 18. Um,
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and in Matthew chapter 18 starts with verse 15, and this is what it says.
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I'm gonna read it straight from the Bible, says, fraternal correction.
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If your brother should commit some wrong against you,
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go and point out his fault, but keep it between the two of you.
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If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.
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If he does not listen some in another,
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so that every case may stand on the word of two or three witnesses.
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If he ignores them, refer to the church, if he ignores even the church,
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then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector. I assure you,
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whatever you declare bound on earth shall be held bound in heaven.
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And whatever you declare loose on earth shall be held loose in heaven. Now,
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I think at this point, this gentleman was, um, you know, at the point where he,
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where Jesus said, if he ignores even the church, well, here's the thing, though.
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It didn't get to the point where they're ignoring the church. He didn't,
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he didn't get to that point.
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He just got to the point where there's something wrong against you.
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Go and point out his fault, but keep it between the two of you.
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If he listens to you, you won your brother over.
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If he does not listen some in another. So he didn't get to that point.
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He didn't get to the point of some in another,
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so that every case may stand on the word of two or three witnesses.
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There is just a battle between him and his brother.
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He didn't take it beyond anything which tells me that, you know,
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sometimes the arguments we have shall we say are petty.
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I don't want to belittle anybody's arguments or anybody's frustrations or what
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they're feeling. But sometimes they're petty in the eyes of God,
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shall we say to us, it's very important. But to him,
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it was just one of these things that, gosh, he says,
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one thing I say another thing. And based on that,
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I think I'm gonna hold onto that. We're gonna, we're just not gonna talk.
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It didn't get to the point where it was an issue with the church or anything
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along those lines.
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So this is an interesting reading because when Jesus tells us,
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if your brother ignores the church,
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then you treat him like you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
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I think that's pretty interesting. How do you treat a Gentile or tax collector?
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They're there? You acknowledge their existence. Um,
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you have to deal with them on a individual basis,
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but you're not always friendly with them. There's, there's a rift right there.
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You, you, there's still a relationship, but it's not a friendly relationship.
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The last part I assure you,
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whatever you declare bound on earth shall be held bound in heaven and whatever
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you declare loose on earth shall be held loose in heaven.
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I think that that's very powerful because then I wanna look at this next one.
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And this is Matthew chapter five, verse 21. I'm gonna read verse 21 to 26.
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And it says against anger,
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you have heard the commandment imposed on your forefathers.
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You shall not commit murder.
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Every murder shall be liable to judgment.
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What I say to you is everyone who grows angry with his brother shall be
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liable to judgment.
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Any man who uses abusive language towards his brother shall be answerable to
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this Sanhedrin. And if he holds him in contempt, he risks the fires of Gehenna.
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If you bring your gift to the altar and they recall that your brother has
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anything against you, leave your gift at the altar,
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go first to be reconciled with your brother and then come and offer your gift.
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Lose no time, settle with your opponent while on your way to court with him.
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Otherwise,
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your opponent may hand you over to the judge who will hand you over to the guard
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who will throw you into prison. I warn you.
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You will not be released until you have paid the last penny.
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I think that this speaks very true for this gentleman. Um,
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this whole passage speaks very true because this is where it comes down to.
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I mean, it's very simple. It's very, it's very simple,
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but very powerful in the spiritual world, in, in our everyday lives. We,
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you know, we hold onto these things. We think I'm justified in my anger.
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I hold onto it and it's okay because other people might understand
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because other people might say, of course, you're angry about that.
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The question is, what do we do with that anger?
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We just hold onto it and we're gonna hold onto it to what end at what point do
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we let it go? What does, what good is it doing us? You know, look,
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look at this and let me think about, let me let you break down.
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What I thought about the, the case for this gentleman says,
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what I say to you is everyone who grows angry with his brother shall be liable
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to judgment.
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Any man who uses abusive language towards his brother shall be answerable to the
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Sanhedrin. If you hold him in contempt, he risks the fires of Gehenna.
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So already, this is what Christ is telling us.
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I'm angry with my brother liable to judgment. And if I hold him in contempt,
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I risk the fires of Gehenna. The doors of hell are, are open.
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And I'm risking going through those doors. That's what's going on here.
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Little by little, this little argument turned into something pretty heavy.
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It turned into something where all of a sudden those doors are opening.
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Little by little. The risk becomes greater as time goes on.
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And then at the very end, this is what Christ says.
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If you don't take care of this before you get to the court, he says,
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lose no time. Settle with your opponent while on your way to the court with him.
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Well, folks who are all on our way to court, you know, on that, on our,
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on our last day here on earth,
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I'm gonna be presented to a courtroom and that I'm gonna gonna be judged.
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And I'm gonna be asked, what did I do? So lose no time,
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settle with your opponent while on your way to court with him. Right?
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So we're on our way to court. Him and his brother are both on the way to court,
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but it's just a matter of time. Have we settled? Have they settled?
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Otherwise your opponent may hand you over to the judge who will hand you over to
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the guard who will throw you into prison. Okay?
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I thought that that was probably the most powerful part of this,
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because this is where I think this man was, he was imprisoned.
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His heart was imprisoned and the guard was holding in prison there.
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Otherwise your opponent may hand you over to the judge who will throw you over
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to the guard who will throw you into prison.
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If we're looking at this in the context of Gehenna, who's the guard.
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It's not an angel, right? Because the Angel's not gonna throw you into prison.
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The guard's gonna throw you into prison.
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That means that you're not ready for heaven.
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You're gonna be thrown into the prison in hell.
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The guard's gonna be a Demonn that's who's guarding hell. So, and he says,
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you know, if you're in a prison, isn't that kind of like, gosh,
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there's something into my heart that I'm not letting go of. And I,
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I don't know why, but I, I can't move forward. It's like,
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I'm playing a game without heart. Like there was something going on there.
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He was feeling this heavy burden in his heart. I think his heart was in prison.
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I that's why, that's why I told him, I think your heart is,
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is in prison right now. I think your heartening, this heart it's in prison.
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And it says, I warn you.
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You will not be released until you had paid the last penny.
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I think at this point, if we wanna look at it from a spiritual perspective,
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you know, and since he said,
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it feels like there's somebody in my heart holding onto this, like,
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there's somebody there like a teammate almost holding onto this anger with me or
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for me, or letting me know that I can hold onto it. And I told him,
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I think that we're gonna have to go down the spiritual route.
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You're gonna have to release that because you're in prison and you're not gonna
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be released until you have paid every last penny. Well,
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let's you stick around after the break,
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we're gonna find out what happened to this gentleman and how he was released
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from this prison that he was holding onto, uh,
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because of what he was holding onto in his heart.
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More what we him back from the break.
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All.
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Right, folks. Welcome back to RK and most powerful radio today,
37:51
we are talking about murder and possession. And how does that go hand in hand?
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Well, you've been listening to the show, you know,
37:59
that I've been talking about a case where I helped a gentleman, um,
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really get back in tune with life is what it came down to. Uh,
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here's the interesting part. You know, he was arguing with his brother.
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We talked about that a little bit. We talked about what was heavy on his heart.
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And he was just saying that he felt a burden on his heart.
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He felt something heavy there.
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He felt something that he couldn't understand why he couldn't move forward in
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life.
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And he didn't think right away that it was related to his argument with his
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brother. But you know, it's one of those things where, um,
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little by little things can take over. If we,
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if we Harbor any kind of hate regret, anger, we want to be right.
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And we can't just let it go. Well, these things can happen.
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So when we talked about this and I said, I think,
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I think this burden with your brother is, is a big issue.
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I think this argument with your brother is a big issue.
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And initially he was kind of like, it's just not that big a deal. I mean,
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I know that we're arguing, but it's not that big a deal. And I said, well,
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you know, we've tried medication,
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we've tried a lot of really good medication and nothing seems to touch it.
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There's nothing physically wrong with you, but why don't you just try this?
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And this is probably the hardest part of the, Hm.
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I think you need to figure out a way to, how to, how to forgive your brother.
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Um,
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I wasn't too happy about that at first and not in the sense that he was angry at
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me. It was kind of more along these lines where he said, yeah, you know,
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I think I, I, I know that eventually I'm gonna have to cross that road,
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but I don't know that I'm ready to do that. And I said, well, you know,
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it's just something to consider. I said, we can keep trying medication.
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I think he seems to have touched you thus far.
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We can keep trying it and no big deal. Um,
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but he wasn't sure that that's the way he wanted to go until I said, well,
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you know, that's up to you that that's your option. Um, you know,
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there's not much I can offer you other than the medication and counseling,
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but really as human beings, this is where, where something's burdening us.
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If I have there's something wrong with my leg or there's something wrong,
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let's say I get injured. Nobody else can do the physical therapy for me.
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Somebody can be there to help me out and I can have cheerleaders telling me,
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Hey, let's get you some physical therapy and you know, we're gonna stand here,
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but nobody can do the stretches for me. I I've gotta do those stretches.
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I gotta lift the weights.
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I've got to do the exercises to get my muscles stronger or whatever it is my
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body needs at the time. Um, and unless I do it,
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unless I do the heavy lifting or the movement or the stretching or whatnot,
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the muscle, the, the area that's traumatized,
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the area that needs therapy or something is gonna stay that way.
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There's not gonna be any change. And so for him, he decided, okay,
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I'm gonna try this out. I'm gonna do it. Um,
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and he wanted my advice on how to do it. And I said, well, you know,
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I don't know that I can give you advice because I'm not part of the argument.
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But the only thing I would say is the best advice I can give you.
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Cuz sometimes when people want advice, they want answers. And I said,
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I don't know that I have answers. You know,
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the best advice I can give you is number one, do an examination of conscience,
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sit there and just kind of look at what do you feel is not going on, right?
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Spiritually,
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obviously we've been talking about your brother and wanna see what's going on
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with him, but what do you feel is not going on spiritually in your life,
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besides that? Is there anything else that needs improvement?
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Is there anything else that needs worked on?
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Is there anything else that's keeping you from, um,
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having a good relationship with God? Uh, and he said, well, you know,
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he couldn't tell at first he, he, uh, um, said, he'd try it out. And you know,
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he was Christian. So instead he'd try out, you know,
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just reviewing the 10 commandments, reading the Bible a little bit,
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seeing what God would put in his heart and what,
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what would speak to him as far as these are the things that are troublesome in
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my life. And so he started doing that and when he did, he said, okay,
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I think I know what I need to do. And I said, okay, well,
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what do you think you're gonna gonna do? And he said,
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I think the first thing I need to do is go apologize to my wife and my kids.
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And I said, well, what are you talking about? So I thought they, you know,
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I kind of surprised me a little bit. I didn't wanna say anything, but you know,
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just wanted to get his opinion as to why this was, I thought initially, oh,
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he's avoiding having to talk to his brother, you know,
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because that's really where the crux of it is. And he said, no,
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I think I need to start there for a couple reasons. He said, you know,
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because I've been holding onto this anger, uh, I've been holding onto this,
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to this frustration, to this argument with my brother. He said, I,
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I feel like I've kind of been neglecting my kids or,
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or my wife and not in a way that they would necessarily recognize,
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but they don't get the best of me. They I've been putting,
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I didn't realize that I was putting a lot of energy into not feeling this
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anger into harboring this anger into all the complexities of this anger,
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you know, trying to ignore it during the day, trying to make it not a big deal,
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trying to avoid talking to my brother. Um, and he said, that's,
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that's taken up a lot of energy that I didn't realize.
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And I haven't been there for my family the way I, the way I'm supposed to.
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So I said, wow, that's pretty, that's pretty insightful. He said,
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I think I need to do that first.
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And then that'll help me practice talking to my brother. I said, okay.
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And so he went ahead and did that. And he said that his wife at first didn't,
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you know, his kids really didn't get it. And they were just like, oh,
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we don't know what you're talking about, but okay. His kids were younger.
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And then he, uh, spoke to his wife and she said, oh, and she,
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he said, you know,
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I was glad that I spoke to her because actually she helped me out to see a few
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things that I wasn't recognizing that, uh, about myself.
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And she also helped me out with how to approach my brother and how to talk to my
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brother, you know? And so eventually he did, he did talk to his brother,
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came back. He said, you know,
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life wasn't perfect necessarily because nobody's life is.
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But he did feel as he was talking to his brother,
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the release from his heart of anything angry of anything,
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of any anger of anything burdensome of this,
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this sense that he couldn't move forward. He said,
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things are easier now is the way he described it. He said there was a release,
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like the door was open and things are easier is what he said. You know,
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kind of like something like the floodgates were open, like,
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like you open a door and all the,
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all the crud from the closet comes out and falls on the floor or something along
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those lines, you know, there's now open space. There's an emptiness there,
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a happy emptiness of all this bad stuff that just came out.
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And he said that it was important and it made him realize a few things. Um,
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he liked the reading after that.
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He said this reading from Matthew chapter five versus 21 through 26, uh,
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because he said that he could understand now, not so much,
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he said it kind of creeps up on you. He said,
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I didn't realize that what was happening to me inside is I was holding onto this
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burden, um, of this, of this murder, if you will, the way Christ describes it,
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not the way the world describes it,
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not the way the serpent described death in the book of Genesis,
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but a really spiritual, uh, uh, death, a, a very real murder,
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very real death in terms of what's going on spiritually and in our hearts.
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But the part, the part he said that really spoke to him,
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and that was the part that, um, that I,
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that he and I went over was this part about being handed over to the guard who
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will throw you into prison. And he said, at first I, whenever he read that,
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he thought, well, gosh, why would you just hand somebody over to the guard?
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And he said, what he didn't realize was, um, you know,
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the judge didn't have a choice. He said, because I wasn't giving,
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I wasn't giving God a choice,
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but to hand me over to the guard and to be in a prison. Um, and he said,
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but now I feel released. I feel released because I apologize,
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not just to my brother, but to my family as well.
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And it really made me think about a few things. When,
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when there's this kind of death,
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it affects so many people that we don't even realize. We think that, you know,
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us having an argument or,
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or holding something against somebody else is just between us and, and that,
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you know, that's my burden to carry their burden to carry, or, you know,
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until we figure it out, well, my life goes on,
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but this really brought to light for me, the,
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the reality of the community of saints and how we are truly connected. You know,
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he felt like he wasn't present to his family because he's holding onto this
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argument between himself and his brother. And now he's at the point where,
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you know, he's saying, gosh,
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I recognize now that this is affecting other people as well. It's like a death.
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You know, when we go to a funeral, we,
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it's not just like I go to somebody's funeral.
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And I realize that it was just that person affecting my life.
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And I'm really sad that they've passed away.
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But I realize whenever there's a funeral,
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there's a lot of people who get touched by each one of us that we might not even
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recognize. I mean, we might not even realize. Um,
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and if people are affected that way by each of us,
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they're gonna be affected in positive and negative ways. If there is a death,
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that death is not just gonna affect my relationship with that person,
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but it's gonna affect their relationship with everybody else. You know,
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if there's a death the way this is, if there's an argument,
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if there's a frustration, if there's an anger,
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we're gonna be carrying heavy burdens that. Yeah,
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we think that we're holding a grudge against somebody else and we're not gonna
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forgive them. We're not gonna, uh, let it go because I'm in the right, you know,
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and little do. I know that I'm carrying that, but as I carry,
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I'm gonna carry that with me. Even as I make interacting with other people,
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I'm not gonna give other people the best of me.
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And that that can be really challenging. Um,
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in life it can be really challenging for relationships.
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It could be really challenging in our wondering why we're not doing the best in
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our lives. Now in this man's particular relationship with his brother,
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it came down to, they just needed to hash things out, something.
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He said that they agreed to disagree on,
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but the fact that there was an open communication that they were at peace,
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that they weren't gonna push each other's buttons,
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that they were actually listening to each other and, and listening to man,
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this is really important. This really hurt you. And I'm sorry about that.
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That was the key. He said, he said it wasn't about me anymore. It was about,
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I could see where he was in pain. I could see where he was also hurting.
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And he said, I didn't even realize that. I thought he didn't care.
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I thought that he was just angry and didn't care. And, and the whole time,
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I mean, I cared,
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but I didn't wanna broach anything because I didn't want to get into that
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argument.
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He said there was something very beautiful about them being able to sit down and
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talk. He said, unfortunately, you know, there,
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there is a little bit of a rift still, uh,
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in the sense that even though they patched things up and things were together,
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he said, you know,
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it's gonna take a little bit of time for healing to take place because it's not
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like I can see him and pretend that all this time didn't happen.
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And that's where they were at. I've heard of other relationships where yeah,
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they make up and it's like, nothing happens. It's like,
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we're gonna put all this behind us and we're gonna start all over. And he said,
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the hard part was a trust.
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The hard part now is trusting that they they're gonna be able to talk and not
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fall into the same trap, not, you know, trusting each other to,
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to respect each other. And I thought that was interesting too,
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because if we notice in the fall of man, one of the things that changed,
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um, when, when, uh,
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Adam and E ate from the fruit of the tree and all of a sudden
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what happened to them, they ate it, their eyes, uh, their eyes.
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It says then the eyes of both of them were open and they realized they were
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naked. So they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
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If you listen to theologians on this, when this happens after this rift,
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they both send there's, there's been a rift here. You know, he's blaming her,
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she's blaming the serpent. They're no longer in harmony.
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Why did they have to sew these fig leaves together and cover themselves?
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Because there was a lack of trust because now they could not trust each other.
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They couldn't trust that you're gonna see me as I am.
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And you're gonna respect my dignity and vice versa. You know, they,
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they didn't feel that for each other. Now, now there's a vulnerability.
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They don't want to share because I can't trust that you are gonna see me with
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dignity. And that's kind of what happens with, with relationships.
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That's what happens with us when we have these long rifts,
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unless we can come to a full place where we say, Hey, you know what?
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I'm gonna let all this go. And I'm just gonna be vulnerable. That's,
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that's a very, very big challenge. When the communion of saints,
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when we get to heaven, it's gonna be, they always talk about heaven,
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being a great marriage between us and Christ.
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And it's gonna be a hundred percent vulnerability.
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There's not gonna be a need for clothing if you will,
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because we're gonna be totally visible to each other.
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But in the light of Christ, when there's this argument, when there's a death,
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just like Adam and Eve, they died spiritually.
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If I kill somebody spiritually in my life,
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all of a sudden there needs to be covering up. There needs to be distance.
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So what can we say, folks, what can we say about this?
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Was this man truly possessed? Yeah. In a way, you know, there there's,
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we allow ourselves to be possessed by different things. You know,
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not the Hollywood possession, the Hollywood possession,
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what you see in shows and things like that. That's pretty extreme.
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And I think that the reality is that's the possession hell wants us to see,
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but the,
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the more important possession or the little ones that we allow ourselves to fall
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into every day when we decide, you know what I think I know better.
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I think I'm gonna hold onto this anger. I think I'm not gonna forgive somebody.
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Um, because why would I let them have that?
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And we don't realize that we're really hurting ourselves.
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We're burdening ourselves. Once we get to the point where we say, Hey,
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you know what, I'm gonna examine my conscience. I'm gonna see where I'm at.
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It doesn't matter what anybody else is doing.
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I'm gonna put myself in a place where I want to be good with God.
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And if I'm holding something against my brother, well,
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I do not want to be in this prison. I do not want my heart to be in this prison.
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But the first thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna cleanse myself and I'm gonna get
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out there and I'm gonna apologize. And I'm gonna make things right.
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Even if they don't wanna make it right with me,
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but I'm gonna unburden myself so that I can be free so that I can move forward.
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And that I can say, Hey, I'm ready to make it into heaven.
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I'm not gonna allow anything evil into my heart or be possessed in any way
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because of my own fault and because of my own sin.
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And that is really the true freedom for us in the light of Christ in the
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light of heaven until next week. This is Dr. Sandoval saying stupid.