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What’s at Stake? Project 2025 vs Black-Led Organizations Guest:Mary-Pat HectorCEO - RISE · TMI

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  Speaker 1: I'm Tameka D. Mallory.
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  Speaker 2: And it's your boy, Myson the General.
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  Speaker 1: New name, new energy, but.
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  Speaker 2: Same old us.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the TMI show. Myson, how are you doing today?
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  Speaker 3: How you feeling, Black man?
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  Speaker 2: I am Black blessed and highly favored. I'm feeling strong.
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  Speaker 4: You know, ever since I did my little cleanse, my
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  Speaker 4: little fast, my seven-day fast.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you call it a little cleanse and a
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  Speaker 1: little fast?
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  Speaker 2: Because it's only seven days.
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  Speaker 4: In comparison to our brother Angelo, who's probably been doing
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  Speaker 4: it for 40-something days.
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  Speaker 2: It's little.
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  Speaker 4: But it was exhilarating. It cleaned out my soul. I
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  Speaker 4: feel a lot stronger. I feel healthier. I don't feel
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  Speaker 4: as tired as I was. So it's something that I
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  Speaker 4: want to just continue to do and grow on it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if Angelo's fast was big and yours was little,
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  Speaker 3: then mine was many because I did eat once a day,
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  Speaker 3: but I was also fasting, just cleaning out my system.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like we just eat stuff we just don't
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  Speaker 3: need every day, like a lot of stuff, just stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I love to eat all the time. Most of my girlfriends, as.
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  Speaker 3: Women, we talk about the fact that eating is one
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  Speaker 3: of the best things that was ever created for us.
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  Speaker 1: We love eating.
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  Speaker 3: And so it feels good sometimes to like slow down
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  Speaker 3: on that. I had broth in the daytime if I
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  Speaker 3: needed it, which some days I did not.
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  Speaker 1: Had some fruit.
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  Speaker 3: And then in the evening I had a good meal.
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  Speaker 3: I think now my new thing is figuring out how
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  Speaker 3: not to eat late. That's probably one of the things
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  Speaker 3: that's keeping my stomach tired. the way that it is
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  Speaker 3: because the rest of my body looks good, but my
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  Speaker 3: stomach has a tire around it.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure eating late.
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  Speaker 3: At night is part of why that's happening on top
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  Speaker 3: of the perimenopause.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I got to work on.
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  Speaker 4: I got to work on these little late night snacks
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  Speaker 4: because I'll be doing good all day. And then the
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  Speaker 4: middle of the night, I'll be like, right before I
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  Speaker 4: go to bed, I'll be wanting to eat something.
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  Speaker 3: But that is also a sign as we've talked about,
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  Speaker 3: you know, over time, Just just people have been on
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  Speaker 3: our show talking about it. And I listen to other
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  Speaker 3: professionals who deal with weight gain. They all say that
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  Speaker 3: breakfast is the most important part of the day. Like
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  Speaker 3: almost everybody consistently talks about that. And I feel like
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  Speaker 3: with us. We get up and we start working immediately,
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  Speaker 3: getting on the phone, calling people. You run into kids.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody is doing everything that we all have to do.
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  Speaker 3: And we don't even think about eating until it's 2,
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  Speaker 3: 3 o'clock in the afternoon. So, of course, that increases
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  Speaker 3: the insulin and all the things they talk about, which
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  Speaker 3: means that by the time you get to late night,
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  Speaker 3: you're not satisfied.
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  Speaker 1: You're dissatisfied. But if they say that if.
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  Speaker 3: We start with a high protein, high fiber breakfast, that
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  Speaker 3: it should help to reduce the cravings and the urges
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  Speaker 3: for more food. And then I'm following this young man,
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  Speaker 3: which we need to get him on our show, who
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  Speaker 3: talks about eating every four hours for.
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  Speaker 1: A period of time.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like two meals plus one snack plus breakfast.
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  Speaker 3: some kind of very nutritious lunch and then dinner and
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  Speaker 3: then being done and making sure that you stop eating.
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  Speaker 3: I think he says like eight o'clock, seven or eight
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  Speaker 3: o'clock and then that's it. And I think if we
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  Speaker 3: all think about adding breakfast to our diets, then potentially
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  Speaker 3: we wouldn't need snacks because I love late night snacks.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds like a plan.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't, you don't even look like you're.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm open for it. I really am.
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  Speaker 4: I really, yeah, I don't really like breakfast. I don't,
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  Speaker 4: Some I think I get up and I might eat
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  Speaker 4: some fruit. I have a little watermelon or blueberries, which
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  Speaker 4: are my favorite. So those are the things I pretty
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  Speaker 4: much eat for breakfast.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, that was a detour from what we're
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  Speaker 3: supposed to be talking about. We are in the midst
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  Speaker 3: of our series that is leading up to the midterm elections.
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  Speaker 3: The last day of voting is on November 3rd. The
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  Speaker 3: first day of voting has already begun in some places.
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  Speaker 3: I think Georgia has. is already reporting with their first
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  Speaker 3: day of early voting that they have had record turnout.
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  Speaker 3: And that's generally a good thing for the Democrats. Whenever
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  Speaker 3: there's record turnout in early voting, it's generally.
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  Speaker 1: A good thing.
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  Speaker 3: It indicates a good sign for Democrats. And it would
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  Speaker 3: be historic because Keisha Lance Bottoms, is running for governor
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  Speaker 3: of the state of Georgia, and she has the potential
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  Speaker 3: to win. And so it looks good for a number
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  Speaker 3: of people there. Nikki Porcher, who's also running for the
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  Speaker 3: Georgia Labor Commission, to be the commissioner. And so there's
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  Speaker 3: lots that's happening in the state of Georgia. And as
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  Speaker 3: I said, they've opened up with record turnout in early voting.
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  Speaker 3: And there are other states early voting is rolling out.
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  Speaker 3: The 24th is the most consistent early voting date across
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  Speaker 3: the country. I know that in Florida, early voting begins
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  Speaker 3: on November 24th and in New York City. And so
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  Speaker 3: that is a big day. The black men, you all,
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  Speaker 3: you yourself, Dr. West Bellamy and a number of other
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  Speaker 3: black men have declared October 24th as.
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  Speaker 1: National Men's Voting Day to get it out the way.
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  Speaker 1: Start now.
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  Speaker 3: Right off the bat, soon as early voting opens, get there,
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  Speaker 3: do what you need to do and join other Black
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  Speaker 3: men around the country who are going to turn out
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  Speaker 3: to cast their.
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  Speaker 1: Vote in this election. So we know that the dates
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  Speaker 1: are there. It's upon us. There's no more we're getting
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  Speaker 1: ready for.
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  Speaker 3: We are actually in voting season. We are in the
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  Speaker 3: midterm elections. And what's at stake? Everything is at stake.
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  Speaker 3: We started out this series just now, four weeks ago,
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  Speaker 3: talking about corporations. And we call that Corporations Versus Us,
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  Speaker 3: where we laid out the very serious and significant issues
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  Speaker 3: with corporations around anti-DEI, around the very racist tropes that
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  Speaker 3: we have seen coming out of some corporations, i.e. Target
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  Speaker 3: and the minstrel costume that was released in their holiday select,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, their Halloween selection. And then, of course, they
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  Speaker 3: had to pull it back. And it goes on and
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  Speaker 3: on converse with the the the I don't even know
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  Speaker 3: what to call that ad that looked like a hood,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and a hanging person, just weird stuff going
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  Speaker 3: on that we think is we don't think is by accident.
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  Speaker 1: All of this, even if the person didn't say, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to do a.
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  Speaker 3: KKK lookalike, there's still a mindset that is dangerous for
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  Speaker 3: our community because it aligns with so many other things
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  Speaker 3: that's happening. We went on the next week to talk
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  Speaker 3: about MAGA versus higher education. very significant issues we got
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  Speaker 3: to learn. We were in class while our sister Tiffany
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  Speaker 3: locked and broke down students who don't have housing. They're
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  Speaker 3: living on campus, sleeping in the common areas versus in rooms.
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  Speaker 3: And I've been hearing more about that. It's almost like
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  Speaker 3: when you talk about something in one place and you
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  Speaker 3: know the algorithm just feeds you the information. So I've
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  Speaker 3: been hearing more about students that don't have adequate housing,
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  Speaker 3: even though they're paying for housing on college campuses. And
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  Speaker 3: she talked about the other things, declassification of certain degrees
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  Speaker 3: and the decision that the administration no longer wants to,
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  Speaker 3: or they have identified careers that they don't deem fit
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  Speaker 3: for you to receive the type of loans that you
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  Speaker 3: would need in order to pursue those degrees. And so
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  Speaker 3: a very informative session. Then we went on to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Trump's math versus real math.
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  Speaker 3: And we had our brother who is a candidate for Congress.
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  Speaker 3: He's a Democratic nominee for Congress in Dallas, Texas. for
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  Speaker 3: the entire state of Texas, but Dallas, Texas specifically, Reverend Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Frederick D.
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  Speaker 3: Haynes III, he came on and talked about as a candidate,
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  Speaker 3: he is running.
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  Speaker 1: Because the affordability crisis is real. And the thing about Dr.
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  Speaker 3: Haynes that makes his candidacy so much even more relevant
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  Speaker 3: is that he sits at the center, literally the center
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  Speaker 3: of a Black church as a pastor of the number one,
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  Speaker 3: I would say number one, Black social justice congregation in
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  Speaker 3: Texas and certainly in Dallas, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: So he knows what's happening.
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  Speaker 3: He talked about his members showing up, one man coming
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  Speaker 3: up to him after service that he didn't even have
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  Speaker 3: enough money to make it to service, but he went
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  Speaker 3: anyway because he believes that there is something in the
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  Speaker 3: house of the Lord that could potentially help him to
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  Speaker 3: have the resources necessary to go about his life and
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  Speaker 3: his day. And so, you know, we, there was, Those
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  Speaker 3: have been very, very full conversations. And we know that
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  Speaker 3: so much is happening across the country. All of this
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  Speaker 3: is what's at stake. Our corporate interests and whether or
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  Speaker 3: not they are serving our communities properly, higher education, and
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  Speaker 3: then the affordability crisis that is taking place in this
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  Speaker 3: country where people cannot afford gas, groceries, and just basic essentials.
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  Speaker 1: Now, today, we're talking about Project.
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  Speaker 3: 2025 versus Black organizations. Project 2025 versus Black organizations. We
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  Speaker 3: have a guest coming up who is going to talk
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  Speaker 3: about some of the challenges. And you said, and actually,
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  Speaker 3: we should make the addendance. that it's Black-led organizations, because
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  Speaker 3: that's important. I thought that that title was too long,
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  Speaker 3: but really she would be our guest, Mary Pat Hector.
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  Speaker 3: She is a Black woman who is the leader of
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  Speaker 3: an organization that is not necessarily Black, Nevertheless, they do
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  Speaker 3: serve and support Black students and Black people.
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  Speaker 1: As well as others. The issue is that wherever there is.
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  Speaker 3: A Black person or people who are leading organizations and
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  Speaker 3: anything about their work has to do with supporting Black people,
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  Speaker 3: we are under attack. And I include us as part
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  Speaker 3: of that because until freedom has absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: felt.
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  Speaker 3: The cuts and the weight of this anti-DEI, anti-Black movement
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  Speaker 3: that the Trump administration has unleashed on our communities. And
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  Speaker 3: so Project 2025, all of it is there. If you
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  Speaker 3: read it, you can find areas all throughout 900 pages
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  Speaker 3: where they are targeting Black people, Black and brown people,
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  Speaker 3: Black people and vulnerable populations, but it's always Black and
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  Speaker 3: it's always Black first. And so we're going to have
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  Speaker 3: a robust conversation.
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  Speaker 1: The first thing we ought to do is talk about
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  Speaker 1: some hot topics and other issues. Some of it aligns.
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  Speaker 1: I know one of the points that I.
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  Speaker 3: Have today aligns with the point around Black-led organizations by
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  Speaker 3: kicking it off, talking about something where you saw a
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  Speaker 3: Black pastor speaking on some issues.
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  Speaker 1: And so what's at stake? The series is up and
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  Speaker 1: it's stuck.
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  Speaker 3: And everybody who wants to know why they should be
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  Speaker 3: not just turning out themselves, but also bringing other people
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  Speaker 3: to the polls, you need to be tuning in.
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  Speaker 1: So share the series. The various shows are on our
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  Speaker 1: YouTube page.
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  Speaker 3: You need to go check it out, share with other
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  Speaker 3: people and anybody that you need to.
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  Speaker 1: Argue with, debate with, organize, mobilize.
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  Speaker 3: You can go and find issues that matter to you
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  Speaker 3: and the communities that you are in and tell them
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  Speaker 3: to watch these shows to get educated on what's at stake.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. I've been paying attention constantly You know, and
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  Speaker 2: I see a lot.
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  Speaker 4: I hear a lot, you know, doing a little bit
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  Speaker 4: of research and just seeing that things are going crazy
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  Speaker 4: out here. You know, Trump has been on his campaign
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  Speaker 4: trail and he's been using a lot of black male
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  Speaker 4: faces to, you know, try to win these midterm elections.
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  Speaker 4: And it's kind of weird that at this moment, black
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  Speaker 4: men would still be standing with Trump after they've gained nothing.
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  Speaker 4: But so I'm a little confused. Definitely want to talk
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  Speaker 4: about this pastor. His name is Philip Anthony Mitchell. Black
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  Speaker 4: guy actually comes from the hood, you know, and he's
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  Speaker 4: rose to some level of prominence.
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  Speaker 2: And he really threw me through a loop with one
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  Speaker 2: of his statements.
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  Speaker 5: Be empowered by demonic forces that try to take over
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  Speaker 5: Texas right on our nose in a place where nobody
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  Speaker 5: would expect that to happen. Not in Florida, not in Texas.
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  Speaker 5: They expect that in New York or Pennsylvania or some
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  Speaker 5: of these other places. Nobody expects that kind of invasion
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  Speaker 5: in Texas. In the buckle of the Bible, the center
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  Speaker 5: of the evangelical world.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you right now, this is not by accident.
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  Speaker 5: The devil ain't, listen, the devil, the devil is strategic.
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  Speaker 5: She is strategic. And what has happened in Dearborn, he's
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  Speaker 5: trying to cripple us. He's trying to cripple Texas the
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  Speaker 5: same way. You want to embarrass the people of God?
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  Speaker 1: Take Texas.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all need to wake up.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking to y'all. I'm serious about this. This ain't
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  Speaker 1: no pencil. You want to embarrass the church in America?
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  Speaker 5: Take Texas. And the Lord reminded me of that this morning.
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  Speaker 4: He was in this locker room and he was talking
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  Speaker 4: to a bunch of young black kids. And what he
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  Speaker 4: was saying was just confusing to me. He was talking
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  Speaker 4: about Texas, and he was saying that demonic forces are
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  Speaker 4: trying to take Texas, you know, and he was comparing
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  Speaker 4: it to Dearborn. He was saying, you know, we know
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  Speaker 4: that those things happen in New York City, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and places like that that are ungodly, but not here
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  Speaker 4: in Texas. And he was talking about, when you listen
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  Speaker 4: to the context that he was talking about, It seems
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  Speaker 4: as if he was talking about us running candidates that
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  Speaker 4: are Democratic inside of Texas. So, yeah, he said this
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  Speaker 4: is the home of the evangelical Christian and that if
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  Speaker 4: they take Texas, then the demons and the devil is
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  Speaker 4: going to rule Texas. And I'm trying to say to myself,
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  Speaker 4: at what point in history has Texas been godly?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: If we if we go back.
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  Speaker 4: From the black codes to Jim Crow to whites only
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  Speaker 4: democratic primaries to poll taxes to segregation. And that's just before.
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  Speaker 4: If you look at Governor Abbott, if you look at
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  Speaker 4: the racist policies that they actually put in, what is
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  Speaker 4: so godly about Texas? And what are the Democrats that
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  Speaker 4: they're trying to put into office over there going to
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  Speaker 4: do that's anti-godly? I'm just trying to figure out how
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  Speaker 4: a black man sits in front of black people and
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  Speaker 4: talks about one of the states that has redistricted because
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  Speaker 4: they don't want Blacks to have a voice, that have
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  Speaker 4: literally put Black representatives out. You know, they've done redistricting.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we talk about Jasmine Crockett. It weakened her support.
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  Speaker 4: You know, hopefully Freddie Haynes will win. I believe he will,
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  Speaker 4: but it definitely weakened the support because our communities are
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  Speaker 4: no longer inside of the districts, right? They redistrict, so
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  Speaker 4: our communities don't really have a strong presence inside of
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  Speaker 4: of the districts that they were running. So when we
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  Speaker 4: talk about what, so I just want to know what
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  Speaker 4: is so godly about Texas and what are you scared
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  Speaker 4: of as a black man? Why, why are you scared
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  Speaker 4: of diversity? Why are you scared of seeing more black
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  Speaker 4: people inside of Texas? You know, why are you scared
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  Speaker 4: of black people who have ideologies that we should all
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  Speaker 4: be equal and free? Why, why as a black man,
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  Speaker 4: would you sit there and have that conversation with kids.
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  Speaker 2: And you have a major following?
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  Speaker 4: You know, I just like, once again, I can, for
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  Speaker 4: the life of me, You know, when we hear these
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  Speaker 4: black preachers, and unfortunately it's not just one or two,
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  Speaker 4: when we hear these black preachers siding with MAGA, right?
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  Speaker 4: When we hear them utilizing God and utilizing scripture to
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  Speaker 4: justify racism and bigotry and homophobia and all of those things,
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  Speaker 4: when we hear them utilize the scripture to do those things,
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  Speaker 4: it's disheartening to me because I didn't grow up in
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  Speaker 4: that church. You know, God didn't look like that to me.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't grow up in a church what made me
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  Speaker 4: feel like women don't have a voice. I didn't grow
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  Speaker 4: up in a church where a woman was property and
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  Speaker 4: a woman was just supposed to listen to a man.
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  Speaker 4: I never grew up in a church that had that ideology.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and when I'm listening to these evangelicals talk,
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  Speaker 4: it really just diminishes everyone but pretty much white men.
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  Speaker 4: And so how do black men see themselves in that?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so confused.
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  Speaker 4: How does a black man see himself in an evangelical setting?
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  Speaker 4: When we talk about Nicki Minaj, how does she see
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  Speaker 4: herself fit into that? I was literally listening to white woman,
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  Speaker 4: a black woman. It wasn't even a white woman.
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  Speaker 2: It was scary.
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  Speaker 4: A black woman said that she was what she's willing
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  Speaker 4: to give up her vote so that liberal women don't
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  Speaker 4: have a vote.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Handmaid's Tale.
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  Speaker 2: It was so weird to me.
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  Speaker 3: In the Handmaid's Tale, if you remember, because remember, we
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  Speaker 3: were all on the road somewhere and we.
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  Speaker 1: Watched the whole series, everybody at the house. Handmaid's Tale.
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  Speaker 1: And I can't believe you watched it.
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  Speaker 3: But it was so compelling to see these white women
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  Speaker 3: make a decision that they would give up some of
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  Speaker 3: their power to their white husbands if it meant that
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  Speaker 3: other women became subservient to them. So instead of all
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: the women being powerful together, those women were separated by
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: class and they were, as white women and wives, second
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: class to the men. They allowed the men to have
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: unchecked power, which would often hurt them as well. They
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: had to watch their husbands have sexual relations with.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: The women who were subservient to them. And they would
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: no longer be able to have babies. They had, one woman's.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Fingers was cut off because she dared to even speak
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: up about the challenges or whatever it is that was
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: going on in the show, I can't remember. But white
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: women have always sacrificed themselves so that their husbands can
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: have power. They have always done that because they know
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: that it at least leaves them in a position where
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: they look or feel higher than me.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really unfortunate, man.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: So, you know, that preacher really threw me through a loop.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: But it's a lot of Black men that are really
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: just confusing to me. And my mother always said, you know,
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: they can build a whole new world of things you
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: don't understand.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: This is the world because I'm so confused at the
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: things and the people that we put in positions of
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: power and have voices that act like they represent us.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: And it's very scary to me because it's people that
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: you actually had levels of respect for, right? You've seen
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: them in one arena and you don't know what people's
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: real beliefs are, right? And that's scary to me because
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: you can be side by side with somebody you think
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: in a situation, these people... we'll stab you in the back.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: And that's usually what happens a lot of times. When
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: we talk about, even when we talk about on the streets,
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: your friend, you know, throw you under the bus, tell
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: them all of these things because you don't know who
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: people are.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: That's what I've learned.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: At 50 years old, I realized that you do, you
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: never know who people are until they have the, they
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: have the opportunity to show you. Until you're in certain
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: situations and see these people and hear what they actually think,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: You know, I have best friends that I grew up
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: with that I see on the Internet and on Facebook
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: and on, you know, on Instagram talking about MAGA. Like,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: talking about how they love Trump. And it's just so confusing.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: And some of these guys are Hispanic and Puerto Rican.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: And they... They are victims.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: A lot of their families have been victims of, you know,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: this administration's policies and they don't even care. And it's
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: the mind state is some level of, well, I'm, I
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: have a level of hierarchy over you, right? I have
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: a level of my, me being an American, even though
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: they don't see me the same, they view me as
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: better than you. And that gives me some level of status.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: And that shit is just crazy to me.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: It is unbelievable.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Believable to me you know and I just I'll never
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: get it you know I'm not gonna change my mind
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: so I'm always gonna be at odds and I know
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: people gonna be like why are you cute too because
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: I just can't understand this shit like it is like
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: drinking the tea man they really sipping the tea man.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Absolutely Well, I have nothing to add.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I said whatever a little bit. You know, I don't
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: pay attention to that guy. I've seen him in.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I already know we is. So he's just in the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: category over there with those people. And, you know, yes,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: does he have some influence?
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Should black men be making sure that when he speaks
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: that there's another voice that's counter that a young person's
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: parent or somebody else can say no, no.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Listen to this.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I think Talbert Swarm, Bishop Talbert Swarm was one of
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: those who posted this latest.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Thing that he said.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: And you want to be able to provide voices that
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: a parent or a friend could say, well, wait a minute,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: let's listen to another perspective on this issue. Because even
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: though he may be telling us this over here, my mama,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: my daddy want me to hear my son or some
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: other black man's perspective that is more in line with
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: what I actually know to be true and the experience
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: that I had. And so I think it's a good
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: thing that you all are doing. And, you know, and
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: we got to just keep on figuring out the dance
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: between calling out black people and calling black people in
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: and sometimes having to expose themselves. some of the very,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: very dangerous things that Black people, Black influencers, Black celebrities,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Black billionaires, Black whatever, we've got to be able to
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: show even them the errors of their ways, you know?
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: And so that's pretty much all we can do because
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: we want to be in a space where we focus
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: on the real enemy at every step of the way.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Like that's what we really want to do.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: And that's what I try to strive for every day.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: That I don't find myself in the.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Back and forth with Black people about other Black people
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: because it feels so counterproductive to me. But I do
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: recognize and I hear people when they say that there
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: are things that Black folks do that's absolutely dangerous for us.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: And when I think about even the situation with Nicki Minaj,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: I will say that a guy made a comment that hopefully,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: in fact, in this clip, the comment will be posted Janice,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: thank you. The gentleman made a point in my comment
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: section on the post about Nicki Minaj. He said, She
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: has X amount of streaming numbers. She's bigger than this artist,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: this artist and this artist. She's done this and that.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: He basically gave a resume of what makes Nicki Minaj.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Pretty much a superstar.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: And so he said and his point to me was
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: you barking up.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: A tree that you can't touch. You can't reach her
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: because she's.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: She's this high in the sky and she's done all
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: these incredible things.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: And I sat with that at first. I knew what
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: he was trying to say.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: And of course, I was never going to listen to
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: it because I can still speak about anything.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: That I want. But then I thought about that. He
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: had actually proven my point. He had proven my point.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: He had proven why I will.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Continue to speak on Nicki Minaj every time she pops up.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: telling Black people and Black women especially to go to
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: the polls and vote for these MAGA Republicans who are
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: the authors and the carriers, the executors of Project 2025,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: which is first hurtful and harmful to Black people. I
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: will continue to speak on her because she is so
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: much of a superstar that every time she speaks, people
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: listen and therefore there needs to be a counter voice
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: to let the world know that what she's saying is
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: actually not what's best for people who look like us.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: And the chips will fall where they may. There will
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: be some people who will still come at me, attack me,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: yell at me. I saw a girl today or some
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: person call me all kinds of B-I-T-T-Hs.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: And that's OK. That's OK. That's all right. This is
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: the work.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: The work is that every every now and then you
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: got to take the blows that come that go along
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: with standing up for what you believe in.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: And it just is what it is. You know, we
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: live to see another day.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent correct.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: All right. Let's go on to my we have our
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: guests coming up.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: So I want to talk about in the context of
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: our series, what's at stake. And we're talking about Project
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: 2025 versus black led organizations.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: There's two things I want to highlight.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: On one side, Elon Musk has put two hundred and
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: fifty six million dollars into the midterm elections.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Which means that they are putting ads on TV. They are,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: you know, funding a ground operation.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I see that there are Republicans out there knocking on doors,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: you know, knocking on the doors, telling people, forget the Democrats,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: highlighting issues that.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: The Democrats have. So they're doing that work.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: And then, you know, they are also supporting and boosting
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: the candidates' notoriety, awareness around these candidates. And I don't
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: know how he funneled the $ 256 million. It may be
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: through a PAC or some PACs that will allow you
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: to do separate campaigning. So it's not in coordination with
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: the candidate, but they still can promote the candidate. And
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: they definitely can do one thing we know for sure
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: is to disparage the opponent of the candidate that they support.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: And so that is 100% happening now.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: $ 256 million this man has put into the election.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: That is not the Republican Party.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: I'm sure the Republican Party has its own money that
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: it has also invested into candidates.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: We see Donald Trump flying all over the country.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: You just talked about the Black rollout where he's got
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: all the who's who with him, from Floyd to all
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: the people who we've been seeing also.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: But in addition to the Black rollout, He also has
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: been speaking. This is where he.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Called Tish James, the attorney general of New York State,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: a dangerous dog.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: This is where he's been talking about seeing men's asses.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: This is where he has been just on the campaign
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: trail saying very, very crazy, awful things, which I've heard
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: in the past. One of your friends, in fact, said, oh,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: you guys are mad because he says he says mean things.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: It's just words.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, his words are matched up with his actions. And meanwhile,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: the same words that he says are being stated in
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: situations where white people have gotten their asses whooped because
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: they think that they can repeat those words to other people.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: It is also caused people to actually be killed. So
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's just words. I don't think that
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: a president should behave in such a manner to tell
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: somebody that their clothes are fake.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: What does that have to do with.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: The issues of people can't afford groceries right now? So
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: they have taken money. Again, the Republican Party has its
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: own budget. And so we can talk about that. But
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Elon Musk, who is an individual who has A trillion dollars.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: He's a trillionaire and has access and relationships with people
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: who have billions and millions, so on and so forth.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: $ 256 million.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Put into this particular midterm election.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: On the other hand, we have the Democratic Party, which
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: has said that their fundraising numbers.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Are very low. They don't have as much money.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: And by the way, And, you know, and in the
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: last few weeks, we've been hearing from black candidates who
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: are running for Senate, Congress, other very important races that
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: they haven't received any money from the party.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: So, like I said, we're going.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: To put the Republican Party on what they're doing and
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: the Democratic Party on what they're doing. to the side
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: and say that the Democrats should absolutely be under fire
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: from us for not finding a way to support Black candidates.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Absolutely 100%. But that's not what I want to focus
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: on today. What I want to focus on today is
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: the celebrity class, the Black upper echelon individuals who may
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: not have a trillion dollars, so they cannot spend what
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Elon Musk is spending. But where are Black celebrities and
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Black people with money who know that our country is in,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: I see it all the time, I hear from Black
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: people who have wealth, who know that their businesses are
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: being impacted. They see what's happening to their family members.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: They talk about it. But where is the action? Where
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: are Black people who have money to put something in the.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Where are Black people who have money to help us
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: out here?
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: That we are trying to get out here in our
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: communities and encourage our people to go to the polls.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: And in many cases, most of us don't have resources.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Our doors are literally closing down. You will hear from
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: a sister who has young people out there in the community,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: she had 2,000 or more.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. She's going to tell us the exact number.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Of people that she had out there working around the
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: country to encourage young people to turn out to vote.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: And guess what? They do not have money. They have
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: a little.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Bit of folks that are still in their organization now.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: And this is going on across so many organizations. So
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: what I am trying to understand is, Is it that
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: black celebrities feel like they don't have anything to do
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: with this and it doesn't matter to them?
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Because I am telling.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: You that the people who do the work, who hold
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: the front line, don't just need you to see us
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: and tell us, I'm with you, sis.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, Tamika, I love you. You're doing a good job.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, you know, all the.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Different organizers that you see that you have relationships with.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: We actually need resources. See, the one thing that Elon
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Musk understands and everybody else gets it because it's going
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: to be some people that's going to say, oh, so
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: you just it's all about money.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: You need money. Well, damn it.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: The other side knows that money is necessary to put
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: people on the ground and get people to the polls
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: so that they can help them to stay in power,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: gain more power and continue to put our black asses
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: and push us back.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Into what they believe is third, fourth class, okay? They
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: know that.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: That's why $ 256 million has come out of Elon Musk's
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: pocket so that he, because he knows ain't nobody going
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: to do no work if there's no money on the ground.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: What the hell are we not supposed to have food?
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: We shouldn't eat. We shouldn't be able to travel.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: How do you expect us to get to a different,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: a state somewhere and help people get to the polls?
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Where are the vans supposed to come from? Where's the
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: transportation disposal? Where's the handouts, the pamphlets?
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: How are you supposed to do printing? What the hell
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: is going on? Are people paying attention? And that's just, yes,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the celebrities, absolutely.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Why do you expect people to go to your shows,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: to show up and support you, to help you become.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: A celebrity, to help you become wealthy, to help you
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: become all of.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: This, and you do not look at our needs in
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: this moment and say, here's $ 5, 000?
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Here's $ 10, 000. Not to me.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: If you don't like Tameka Mallory, it's many other organizations.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Black Voters Matter is out here. They have a bonafide
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: record in turning people out to the polls.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Wovo is out here.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: There's so many different groups that you could put your
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: resources in in this moment.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: You want to be in the church space? Cool.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Faith for Black Lives is out here. There are so
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: many people who are doing incredible work. You could give
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: to a local church and make sure that they are
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: able to use their vehicles to get people out.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: There's so many ways.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: And if you want to support us, please, until freedom,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: we're suffering just like everybody else. How do you expect
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: the work to happen? Not just the election work, but
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: the violence prevention work we do. Now we are trying
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: our best to support with ensuring that Black families get
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: the support they need in the autism space because so
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: many of our kids are being diagnosed with autism.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: And guess what?
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: The world is just like, we're not even in the conversation.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: We got the least amount of resources in our community.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: How is this supposed.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: To happen if there is not an investment? So I'm
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: just asking today, do Black celebrities see and know what's
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: going on? And this is not all of them, because
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: guess what? MC Lyte sent her resources. You know what
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I'm saying?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: And I know others do all the time.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: We know Kyrie Irving always sending his resources to try
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: to help.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: And the list goes on and on. But are the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: rest of us, is the rest of the higher echelon
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: class of black folks deciding that it's hands off?
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Because if in fact that is the case, we need
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: to start being hands off when you got a movie,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: when you have a new music coming out, when you
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: got some product.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Whatever you are selling, we need to be a little bit.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: More hands off if we can't depend on our people
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: to support us at a time when we are literally
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: dying in these streets without money to.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Be able to do the work.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Forget about whether or not we eat because clearly y'all
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: don't give a fuck whether or not we have resources
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: to take care of ourselves. You want us to work
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: a job and work this job that takes us 24
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: hours a day.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: And so that's fine. Most of us do that. But
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: at least help us to actually get out here and
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: get Ray Ray and Pookie and TT and Mimi and
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: all of our people and the elderly people who are
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: scared to death. Those people are going to put. OK,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: let's be clear.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: That side, the 256 million people are going, they are
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: recruiting people as poll watchers, which means they are recruiting
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: people to show up at the polls and intimidate us.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: That is what they're doing. So you want your elderly
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: grandmother to have to walk through some guys that's standing
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: around in states that's open carry day down the street
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: with guns out. Is that what you want?
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: You want a person that's in your family who has
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: issues with law enforcement to be feeling all intimidated and
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: decide that they're not going to vote instead of you
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: making sure that people like us are able to walk
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: to counter their poll watches with our own.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't make sense to me.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: And I'm just, you know, I'm really frustrated about it
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: because I know it might you might not have 256.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: You might not have, you know, two two million.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: You might not have.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: 2000, but you got something to be able to put
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: resources in. And this is not just go for a
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: celebrity or a person that.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Is at that level.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: If you are just a regular everyday individual, you got
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: two dollars.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Five dollars. Two hundred and fifty six dollars.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: In our case, we asked for seventy five dollars to
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: help us to do this work.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: And I agree with you 100 percent, but I say
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: all the time they've done it. They've done a number
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: on us. We divide and conquer.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: When we when we look at the people who have
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: the resources, a lot of them don't feel connected to
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: what's going on on the ground.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: They don't. They don't. A lot of a lot of.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Our own people have villainized them. Like, I hear every day, oh,
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: a billionaire is not going to help us.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: We don't need no help from the billionaires. They're evil,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: this and that.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Now, why would a person want to continue to put
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: their resources with people that tell them, fuck them, and
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: every conspiracy in the world is against them, right? And
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: it's hard to have those conversations. Like, we have to
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: figure out a way that we connect people. The people
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: who have the resources to what's going on on this ground,
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: because a lot of them have been disconnected. A lot
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: of them have been shunned away because we because they've
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: utilized divided conquer tech.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I was having this conversation about Kaepernick and Jay-Z.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: Imagine both of those two people together saying, hey, we
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: need to get out and vote.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: We need to say both of them, Kaepernick and Jay-Z.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: have been putting their resources into Black causes.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they have, and that's.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Even when attacked, even with all the drama, we know
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: that they both have still... The United Justice Coalition conference
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: is happening right now where Black.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Groups, black people, black issues are being put on the
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: at the forefront.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: And that is something that is led by Roc Nation,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: where they are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars making
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: sure that our issues are out there and they are
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: also funding other things. And we know that Colin Kaepernick
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: paid for nothing. Nolan Wells, the second autopsy. We know
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: that Colin has been involved in various community issues and
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: has sent his money as well i was talking more
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: about the overall.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah and i'm not saying you won't yeah i was
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: i'm not saying each of them individually does their thing
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: right but the thing is when you separate and you
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: divide them and you utilize the tactics that we've all
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: done right when you don't have when jay-z is not
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: connected to colin and colin And Jay-Z is not connected
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: to Kyrie.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: And all of those people don't have synergy, right?
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: And they're not in rooms where people understand the reality
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: of what we're going on.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: We're not meeting with our people. We're not building with
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: our people.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: And people are strategically separating them and keeping them disconnected
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: from what's going on on the ground with the average
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: everyday individual. It's hard to see that influx, right? None
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: of them have a trillion dollars. Elon Musk is invested
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: in this inside of... this administration because he knows that
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: he needs all of these daily services.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: He needs subsidies.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: He needs welfare.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: He needs his business.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: So he knows it's an investment for him, right? So
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: we have to show our people how this is an
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: investment for them and get behind them. When we look
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: at different situations and how a lot of our or
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: try to do certain things and people don't back them,
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: they feel like, fuck it, right? We have to be
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: very intentional and we got to stop being divided and conquered.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Let me just push back on that, okay?
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Because.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump called Elon Musk all kind of goddamn names.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Two of them were separated. They was divided. And guess what?
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: They came right on back.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Together in order to do the work that is the
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: mission for them.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: For them. It's money.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Elon Musk is constantly being called out. He's called out
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: by people in Congress. He's called out by other Republicans and.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Of course, by our community. And it does not stop
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: him from seeing his interests.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: And I'm saying that if black people are in trouble
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: and we cannot afford to pay.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: For their necessities, that should be.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: The interest of people who need us to come to concerts,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: who need us to buy products.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: You are 100 percent right.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Regardless of whether or not you feel disrespected because we
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: don't push you away by calling you out and.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Doing all of that. That's bullshit. Guess what?
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: It won't mean anything if you turn around and your
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: fucking whatever you got, your cream, it's on the shelves
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: in the store and ain't nobody buying it because people
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: can't afford it. And they back to slapping Vaseline on
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: their face and therefore going.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Back to the white man's products. Okay. It's not going
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: to mean anything.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: It's not going to mean anything when you call in
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: places like BET and other businesses and can't even get
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: an article done on your issues because they decided to
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: cut those types of that area off. of their business
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: and then took down all the articles of work that
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: happened in the past.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: It ain't going to mean anything.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: When you're out here pushing for people to support you
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: because your ass, your child and got whooped upside the
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: head or something has happened to you and nobody is
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: there to show up for you because there is no
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: organizing structure.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: So what you should do is talk your mother effing feelings.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Tuck your feelings because your interest is what should be
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: at the forefront.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: And whether you like me or somebody else, there's enough
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: people that.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Do organizing work to go around that you could just
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: pick somebody and say, hey, I want to support you
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: in doing the work because I've seen what you've been
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: out here doing. So you ain't one of them that's
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: talked bad about me. If that's how y'all want to.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Do it, that's fine.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: But sitting at home and watching us suffer while we
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: try to do work that benefits your ass is problematic.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: I don't disagree.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: So let's get to our guest because the poor lady
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: is waiting on us to come and allow her to
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: talk about what's that state project 2025 versus black led organization.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: So let's get into our guests. Obviously, you know, again,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: our friends are our audience.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: At this point knows that we always have our friends
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: on our shows, but we've got dope friends that are
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: doing amazing things.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: This sister is not just our friend. She is my mentee.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: She's our baby sister who is no longer a baby
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: because she has a baby.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: And just somebody that we love and admire. And I
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: love to tell Mary Pat all the time, that I
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: actually admire so much how you have grown and stayed committed.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Mary Pat Hector is brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Always has been since I met her as a little
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: girl on the side of the road, holding the line
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: on gun violence, calling into Reverend Al Sharpton's radio show
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: to say there has to be more attention on the
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: issue of gun violence across the nation. And since then,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: you have just been such a powerhouse in the movement,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: in the work, as a friend, as a baby sister.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: And we're so proud of you and so happy to
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: have you on the TMI show today.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Mary Pat Hector. Thank you so much for having me, Tamika.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Mary, you lead RISE, which is a youth political mobilization organization.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: You're the CEO of that organization. It is Black-led.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: While you do not focus solely on Black youth, it
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: is a focus of yours to address racism. the concerns
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: and needs and the Black political status, if you will,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: of Black and other underserved young people. And so you
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: do a lot to bring all types of people together.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: You know, I now am being.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Followed by Josh the Progressive and I follow him. He
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: collaborates on a lot of things with me. And so
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: many other young people who I met, very diverse young
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: people who I've met through Rise and through the work
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: that you do. And almost all of them, I watch
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: them at some point, no matter what background they may
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: come from, they talk about the.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Attacks on Black people. Absolutely. You know, I've seen it
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: so many times. And so you're doing really, really good work.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: And what we're talking about today is what's at stake.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: And what's at stake, this series has covered many different
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: things that as we lead towards the midterm elections, people
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: need to know there is much at stake. And today's
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: topic is Project 2025 versus Black-led organizations of which you
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: are leading one of them. And I thought that it
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: would be great. My son and I were talking about
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: the guests and we wanted to have people on or
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: at least someone like you on.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Who could talk about the experience that you are having
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: now as you lead this organization and you are also
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: a consultant for other very, very Black organizations that do
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: all type of work, not just political work, community engagement,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: they provide social services and other things. And you see
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: firsthand how challenging it has been to raise money, people
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: losing funding, people having awards that they were supposed to receive,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: they're not receiving. I mean, it's just a really, really
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: hard time.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: We've talked about it many days and we won't expose
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: organizations and or funders today, but love to hear you
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: talk about what's happening in these Black-led organization funding streets.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me, Tamika and Maison.
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: I'm so happy to also be on this platform to
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: just talk about what so many of our organizations are
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: experiencing in this moment. And honestly, it's been something that's
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: happened post-2024 and When a lot of organizations, specifically funding organizations,
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: have cut back funding, beyond cutting back funding, they've begun
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: changing their funding priorities. Many organizations who typically received funding
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: funding from large organizations that had a democracy center or
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: civic engagement focus. Many of those organizations have come out
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: and said, hey, you know, we're no longer going to
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: be funding in this space. I remember about two years ago,
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: we were at a convening of grantees across the globe
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: in one room. And the founder of the organization said, hey,
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: thank you guys for coming, but we're no longer funding
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: in the democracy space. So all of us learned at
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: that moment that none of us will be receiving a dollar.
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: And so we learned at that particular gathering that none
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: of us were going to be receiving another dime from
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: that specific entity. And post that interaction that we had
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: in early 2025, it began to trickle. And what has
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: been sustaining the work is organizations like mine and regranting
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: to other partner organizations. What has been keeping the work
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: is many organizations coming together, doing collective organizing and collective
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: power building. We've seen a lot of organizations have to
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: merge because they're not able to sustain themselves. But sadly,
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: we've also seen a lot of organizations shut their doors
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: because of the lack of response from foundations and philanthropy.
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: And it's not something, again, that's just been happening this year.
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: It's something that has been an impact on the ecosystem
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: since 2024. One of the things that I continue to
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: stress to the little amount of donors that we have
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: left is wins in 2026 will happen that are reactionary, right?
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: If we have wins.
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: Wins in 2028 are not going to happen if funding continues.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Down the road that it is.
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: So I don't want philanthropy to think that a win
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: in 2026 means, oh, well, we don't really have to
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: do as much.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: It's going to all work out.
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: No, those wins might be reactionary, but if funding continues
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: down the path that it has the past two years,
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: I don't see a way in which we can When
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: in 2028, specifically for our organization in 2024, we had
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: over 2000 young people paid and on staff. I don't
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: even have a fraction of that right now because of
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: how much we've had to scale down. And really what
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: we've been centering is making sure that smaller organizations at
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: least have money to continue their work and partnership with us.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Wow. That's really telling.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: It's so crazy because I was just looking at the
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: news today. And they saying that the Trump administration is
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: actually looking into Wells Fargo for giving loans to black
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: people for housing and saying it's discriminatory process and that
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: they shouldn't be giving black people loans.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: And it's like, what?
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: Why do you think that this administration is so hell
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: bent on taking back resources that don't even equal the
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: equity that we deserve? What do you think the focus is?
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: I know what it is, but what do you think
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: the focus is?
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: I think the focus is ensuring that we remember our
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: place in society. I think a lot of these actions
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: and a lot of the things that the administration, as
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: well as other organizations who may oppose what our organizations
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: believe in, which are equality, equity, economic justice, environmental justice,
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: They want us to remember where we fall in on
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: the chain. That's why we've seen so many of our
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: sisters who lead work in corporate America and others fired
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: from their jobs for supporting and uplifting our communities in
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: ways that we need in corporate America. That's also why
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: we've seen so many Black women in the work that
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: we are in kicked off of many boards, kicked out
• 51:29
  Speaker 6: of losing their jobs from attacks from their boards. And
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: me and Tamika have had deeper conversations about what that
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: looks like. But But it's for us to remember where
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: we lay on this chain. And I think that we
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: are literally living in a time where we're like in
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: a parallel universe. I feel like we're in the 60s
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: right now, but in a more modern version. And what
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: we do in 2026, in November, and even what we
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: do in 2028 will determine just how much work we
• 52:00
  Speaker 6: need to do in order to get back to where
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: we were even two years ago.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: And even that, I'm not sure that we're ever going back.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: I think that What has happened, the way in which
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: everything that many people fought for, I think about Reverend Jackson,
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: you know, and there are so many people who judge
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Reverend Jackson for various reasons, you know, you name it.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: They had so much to say about him. But when
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: we go back and truly study history, Reverend Jackson was
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: one of the foremost leaders in making corporations accountable to people.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: And some would say, oh no, he was just trying
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: to get paid. Well, I think that if you being
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: Reverend Jackson or anyone else is out here fighting every day,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: banging on corporations doors, forcing them to pay attention to
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: the community, there should be no reason why your organization
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: goes broke. That doesn't make sense. And somewhere along the line,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: They taught us that you do the work, you make
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: a way for others, and then you self-sacrifice. And that
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense to me. But I think the
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: larger issue is that, or the larger point is that
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Reverend Jackson didn't just walk into corporations and say, give
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: five of us a check.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: He said, who's on your board, right? Which the board.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Determines how the funding and the spending of a corporation-
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: or a business, what.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Did you say, my son?
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: I said it's distributed, you were asking. Right, it's distributed.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: He also said, who are your suppliers? Who are the
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: people who are supplying everything from the toilet tissue, the pens,
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: the pads, the whatever it is that you sell, even
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: the vendors, the people who are selling products on your shelves,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: who are those individuals? Then he says, and, you know,
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: and also the vendors that you work with, not just
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: in the front facing part of the business, but vendors
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: include everything from the security at your store or in
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: your buildings.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: It also includes the people who drive, right?
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: The actual delivery individuals, right? All of that is an airline.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: The people who are out there, you know, air traffic control.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: All of that is a part of a system that
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: Reverend Jackson put himself out there to say, you cannot
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: take our money because folks are going into the stores.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: They're going to buy Campbell's soup and, you know, whatever
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: products who's working for you. And how is the money
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: being distributed? And I think that is just such important work.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: So when you say that in this moment, they're they're
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: putting us back in our place. It just puts me
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: in the mind of the statement that I talk about
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: all the time that Joe Biden made piss people.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Off so bad.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: And I was one of those who was kind of like, oh,
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: my God, Joe Biden, like, why would you tell these
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: people that?
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: They're trying to put you back in chains.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: But he was literally telling us about Project 2025 in
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: his own.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Way in the before we knew enough.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: About Project 2025 that the whole goal here is to
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: be able to shift power back to where we as
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: black people become third, fourth class to white folks.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: They do not want us to continue to be.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: As Black women, the most educated and the foremost leading
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: in entrepreneurship.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: They do not want us to.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: Have Black men who have the ability to sustain their
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: families in our community.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: And they're trying to break us down. I agree 100%.
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: And I think really what's going to keep us in
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: this moment is connectivity and collaboration. I think continuing to
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: depend on These corporations and foundations and philanthropy.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Have been our downfall.
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: Right now, what we're trying to do is work with
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: different organizations to envision a world where they are becoming
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: a little bit more self-sufficient. I had a conversation with
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: Ryan from The Gathering Spot about this. Like, how are
• 56:23
  Speaker 6: we preparing the movement or people leading this movement to
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: think through ways in which we're diversifying funding? Is that
• 56:29
  Speaker 6: doing more for service work? is that us offering swag bags, right?
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: So that people are giving us $ 20 to $ 30 a
• 56:36
  Speaker 6: month so that that can make up for something while
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: we figure it out. And so we're down that path
• 56:42
  Speaker 6: right now internally ourselves, but we're also encouraging many organizations
• 56:46
  Speaker 6: to think about ways in which they're diversifying funds so
• 56:49
  Speaker 6: that we don't have to continue to rely on big
• 56:51
  Speaker 6: philanthropy to fund our movements.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. But I would say that we would.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: Have to also talk to our people and get our
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: folks to reduce the amount of spending because these are
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: not handouts.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? It's not a handout.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: If I am one of your largest consumers, then to
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: give back is, in fact, you showing that there's a
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: partnership between us, a give and take. It's not just
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: me asking you to give me something for free.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: And I'll add on to that. You know, when we
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: look at how we actually living right now. Most of
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: us are living day to day. Prior to the last
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: two years, we were barely making it. And now that
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: prices are higher, gas is higher, light bills is off
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: the chain, groceries are off the chain, So when you
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: cut what you already had in third and you collaborate
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: with somebody else and y'all got to split that third,
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: you know, it's pretty much pricing us out of living.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: It's forcing us, it's eliminating the middle class completely and
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: it's putting us in this survival mode. And when you
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: get to survival mode, we know what our communities look like.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: You know, we're in positions that we're doing a little
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: better than the average person. I was having a conversation,
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: like I'm in the hood a lot. So when I'm
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: having conversations, they like, yo, people ain't got five and
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: ten dollars. Like, you know, I'm not saying that this
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: was the situation, but it was a guy on the
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: Internet who was fighting for his father because he asked
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: him for twenty dollars and he said he didn't have it.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Like they had a real fit.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: Like people are really in dire straits. I get text
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: messages and calls people like, hey, do you have this?
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: You got this.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: And I really don't have it to give to them
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: because I'm in survival mode. And so, you know, this
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: administration is definitely looking to disenfranchise us. And when we
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: talk about what's at stake for black people, everything is
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: at stake for black people. Right. All of all of
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: the things that we've gained over the last decade. 100
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: years and 50 and I tell Tamika this all the time.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: This America has a strategy.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: And I feel like every 100 years, they do things
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: like this.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: To put us in a place. to show us where
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: we are in the chain.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: Like when you talk about Black Wall Street, you know,
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: when you talk about Tulsa, when you talk about all
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: of those things and how every time we make levels
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: of progress and we move up, they do something drastic.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: to push us right back down on the totem pole
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: and have us restarted. And this is one of those times.
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: And I think, like you said, we have to be
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: a lot more strategic. We have to look at. And
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: what we have to start doing is creating infrastructure to
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: where we are not even connected to the system. Like
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: Angela always says, we have to build a system within
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: the system to combat the system.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: You know, because we know what their strategy is now.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: And when we talk about Project 2025, that was a
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: strategy that they they've been working on for the last 50, 60.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: This is not new. You know, they got they have
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: people who who've orchestrated 2025 with black history majors. But
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: you got white racist men who are black history majors
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: that studied us. Throughout college all the way to now
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: for the last 40 and 30 years, and they're utilizing
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: what they've studied to, you know, to.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Utilize it against us. So, you know, we got a
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: lot of work to do.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: And I say all the time, we just have to
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: be way more strategic than we are because they can
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: divide us with the smallest things. You know, one little
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: difference of opinion. This word, I don't like this color.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: I don't like how you say God's name. You know,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: you're not on my side. Like, it's unreal how easy
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: we are divided and distracted.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: Mary, what would you say to that, you know, as
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: we close out? The distractions, because I noticed that in
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: some of the content that you're doing, you're literally using
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: the distraction to try to bring people into a more
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: serious conversation. And I think that, you know, who has
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: time for that, right? Like who has time to have
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: to go make a video and talk about blue face
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: and somebody else just to get people to pay attention
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: when really what you should be able to do is
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: to get straight to the important information that folks need,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: but you have to be creative and give folks a
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: little bit of the cherry in the cough medicine so
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: that they will, you know, actually stay around and retain
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: the information. And I just wonder, you know, where did
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: that concept come from? Was it out of a little
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: bit of frustration or did you just, you know, or
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: is it that you're just young and this is your
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: culture also?
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: And therefore you, you know, you just merge in the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: two worlds.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 6: So one, I think for us in 2024, our biggest
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 6: mistake was literally focusing those 2000 young people strictly on
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: on the ground organizing and post that a lot of
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: us have been doing a lot of work on training
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: up young people to be influencers, to utilize their voices,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: to create spaces where they're encouraging their peers to show
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: up and vote online and on the ground. And I
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: think for us, what we've learned is unfortunately like that
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 6: content that.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Catches people's attention.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 6: Like there was a popular fight video that was going
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: around in Atlanta about a security guard at a quick
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: trip that was being beat up. And one of our
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: influencers clipped it. And then he clipped the first three
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: seconds of the fight. And then he popped up and
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 6: was like, I'm fighting for my life. Like my bills
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 6: are high. The water bills need to be addressed. We
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: can't eat the lettuce outside. Like what's really going on?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 6: Y'all need to go and vote in November. And unfortunately,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 6: that's the kind of content and things that are like
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 6: pushing young people to show up to the polls.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: But honestly, like.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 6: We want to get the information out there, but we
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: also have to know who our audience is and just
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 6: like meeting them where they are. For some of our people,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: we're going to be able to get them to just
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: listen to the information. And for some of them, we've
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: got to kind of lure them into it. And also,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: that's also important as to why or who. who the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: messenger is, right? And ensuring that we have people from
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: different walks of life to be able to speak to
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 6: different people from different communities. Who I communicate with might
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: not be who my son can communicate with. And that's
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 6: why both of us are equally as important in this
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: work so that we can move people to show up now.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Well, please tell.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: Folks how they can support you, how they can support Rise. Ultimately,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: you guys are doing great.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Big work. And to know that you had all.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: These employees and now you don't have that, you know,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: a fraction of that is so scary to me because,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: you know, the people who were working with you are
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: exactly the folks that we need right now to be
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: out here getting that population.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: My mother is.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Never going to miss a day of voting as long
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: as her eyes are open on this planet. She is
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: going to the polls and so are her friends in
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: her dance class and her social network and her former
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: friends from her former job. All of they are going,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: my aunts and all of them, they will not miss it.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: And at this point, people in, you know, I'm 46.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: The folks in my generation, many of them are gonna go.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: The group that we have to make sure turns out
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: and not for a popular candidate that they just love
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: one time that, oh, we're Mamdani people. And we just
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: got to go to the polls for Mamdani. Mamdani is
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: certainly one person who I'm glad that we got him elected.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: But there are other people who you.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Might not like at all.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: Actually, you may not even really like them. I'm not,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of candidates that are running.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: They're not my people.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: But what I do know is that the other side
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: of the coin helps those folks who are creating the
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: funding crisis for Black-led organizations It helps them to increase
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: their power, to consolidate power and to do more harm
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: to our communities. And so it is very concerning to
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: me that some folks and I wouldn't say you don't
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: like them at all. We don't like I don't like
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: the Trump administration at all. I would say that you
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: have some very specific and in some cases serious issues, right?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: Like genocide for me is a non-starter, right?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: But I also.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: Know that if I am looking at a person who
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: I don't agree with on the issue of... Israel, Palestine,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: and I don't agree with them a thousand percent, I'm
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: going to keep fighting to push them while also knowing
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: that they might be someone that I can work with
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: on six or seven other issues. And I think that's
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: the messaging that we have to get out there because
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: our young people are taking a hard line on very
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: specific issues.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: And I respect that a hundred percent.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: And that's why we have to live to fight another day,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: which means we've got to put people in or out
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: of office, Stand ten toes down and then make sure
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: that we're in these movements that are pushing back against
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: these very serious issues that's happening, not just in America,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: but globally.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Mary Pat, thank you so much.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: Mary Pat Hector, the CEO of Rise, which is a
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: youth political mobilization organization on the ground across the country
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: and also consultant and board member to other Black organizations
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: that are doing serious work.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Mary Pat has been in this movement for a long time.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: And to have him come on today to talk to
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: us about the crisis of what's at stake, Project 2025
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: versus Black-led organizations has been a true honor for us.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking the time.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much. We appreciate you so much, Mary.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: Bye, y'all.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: Bye.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: Shout out to our little sister, Mary Pat Hector. She
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: is amazing. Like you said, she's always been brilliant. You know,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: just watching her grow into her space and just, you know,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: organizing in a manner that she does. But, you know,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: she's one of your mentees and, you know, you're so organized.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: And the way she organized reminds me so much of
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: you because y'all are so strict the way that y'all
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: do things. So, you know, I love to hear her
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: talk and just I love just watching her work. Yeah,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: I just love I love watching her work. You know,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: like she invited us to the Rise Conference. As you said,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: you know, we met Josh, the progressive. And every time
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: I see him, I remember I met him, you know,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: with Mary, Mary Pat and in a lot of other
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: of these influences.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: And I'm just.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: Watching watching all of them grow into this space. So,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: you know, shout out to Mary for just bringing some
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: light to what's going on, what's really at stake. with
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: our organizations, with our Black-led organizations, what we really need
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: to be fighting against, why we need to be going
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: to these polls and how we need to be organizing
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: and uniting to make sure that we continue to grow.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you, Mary Pat.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: And folks should really check it out because I think
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: sometimes a lot of people, especially since so many people
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: are like volunteering their services, they don't really know what's happening.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: And so she really helped to bring some attention to
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: the severity of where we stand as black folks who
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: are leading very important organizations that do real work.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah you're 100 right man this this election is very
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: important like i know we've always heard you gotta vote
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: like your life depends on it and voted that we've
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: heard all of the slogans and all of that but
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: i don't think that it's been truer than it is
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: now I don't.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Think that, I don't even think people really understand.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: You know, I was a young boy and I always
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: heard about voting and, you know, it was this big thing.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: But now really understanding where we are right now, what
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: this administration has already done, what they're trying to be
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: empowered to do.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Do is really scary to me.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm not really scared of many things, but really
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: understanding where we are in this moment. Yeah, I just
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: came across an interview with Cuomo and Stephen A. Smith,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: and they were interviewing Steve Bannon. They were talking about
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: election and they were pretty much He was basically saying
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: that they plan on overriding the votes. Like they've already
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: put the fix in to say that, you know, that
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: the votes were illegal like they did in 2020. He said,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: you know, the 2020 election was illegal and this one
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: is more than likely going to be illegal.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: So they already said in the state.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: So I just need us to do everything that we can,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: that we're supposed to do to not allow them to
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: just win without fighting. You know, we really have to fight.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: This is going to be a very serious election. I
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: want us to pay attention. I want our kids to
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: pay attention. Like we have to educate our kids because
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: we're in real serious times right now.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: I think that what we should do instead of trying
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: to convince people every election that that particular election is
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: somehow more serious than the one before is.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: Say every single election is essential.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: Every single time someone is running to govern your life,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: it is the most consequential election of your life because
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: the rules are made by the people who get into
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: these positions. And while you may be building your own,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: while you may be creating wealth you know in your
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: own family and all of that while you may be
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: disconnecting yourself from certain things in this you know from
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: the system you may not be shopping in certain places
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: you might be trying to grow your own food guess
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: what you can be growing food in your backyard and
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: when they come and spray pesticides over your community because
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: They've decided that that's what needs to be done for whatever.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Environmental issue or reason.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: Even the crop that you are growing is going to
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: be impacted by what's in the air.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: So everything that we do, everything... is political.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: And that means that the people who are voted into
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: office need to hear from you. They need to know,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: not just on election day, but they need to know
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: every single day that you and your needs and your
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: demands for your community have to be front and center.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: So I'm never going to say this one.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: No, every single time there's an election, it's important to me.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: I make sure that I participate as much as I
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: can in voting getting people to vote and certainly in
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: getting to the polls myself.
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  Speaker 1: That's just the facts.
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  Speaker 3: And as we have already talked about earlier in this show,
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  Speaker 3: if it were not important, there is no way Elon
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  Speaker 3: Musk would have put $ 256 million into.
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  Speaker 1: Backing candidates in the midterm elections.
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  Speaker 3: There is no way that Donald Trump would be campaigning
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  Speaker 3: his ass off He is crisscrossing the country as an
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  Speaker 3: older man, probably not even getting any rest, trying to
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  Speaker 3: ensure that his people win these midterm elections. You think
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  Speaker 3: that they're doing that without some type of plan?
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  Speaker 1: There's a reason.
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  Speaker 3: If it didn't matter, they would not be spending the
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  Speaker 3: type of time trying to suppress our votes and trying
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  Speaker 3: to get wake their own people up to get out
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  Speaker 3: there and ensure that they show up and show out.
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  Speaker 1: In this election. It doesn't. It's common. It's common sense.
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  Speaker 1: You can literally see it in front of your eyeballs.
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  Speaker 3: He don't hang out with black folks like you don't
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  Speaker 3: see him when it's not an election happening, just hanging
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  Speaker 3: out with random black folks.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't. He starts to concentrate.
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  Speaker 3: The black people who, to your point, are visible.
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  Speaker 1: Folks that folk that people are, you know, people like.
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  Speaker 3: People who in some cases are very legendary, he starts
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  Speaker 3: to roll them out in very strategic times.
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  Speaker 1: Know why we know this? Because they do it on
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  Speaker 1: every campaign. They do it in every election.
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  Speaker 4: You don't see none of these black people no other time.
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  Speaker 4: Ain't none of the people in this cabinet. They ain't
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  Speaker 4: nowhere around. But as soon as the election time, he
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: rolling them out. And they saying how great he is.
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  Speaker 2: And it's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, why they had Meg Thee Stallion, Cardi B and
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: what's the name? Beyonce and all these people at Kamala
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  Speaker 3: Harris's rally.
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  Speaker 1: It's the same shit.
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  Speaker 3: It's exactly the same thing. Exactly the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Mike Tyson, this is a man who, yeah, we'd love
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  Speaker 3: to see Mike fight and all of that. But we
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  Speaker 3: also know he has a history that, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not even I'm not even going to try to disparage
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  Speaker 3: the brother.
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  Speaker 1: But, y'all, we know we know his history. We know
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  Speaker 1: some of the things that Mike Tyson has done and.
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  Speaker 3: The you know, the reasons why many women don't support him.
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  Speaker 1: Right. We know those things. So they can pop him out.
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  Speaker 3: And then people are upset because they got, you know,
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  Speaker 3: whoever else on the on, you know, on the Democratic side, dancing, singing,
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  Speaker 3: speaking or whatever. Like it's it every can't every campaign
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  Speaker 3: major campaign is going to roll out the people who
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: do what Mary Pat says, attempt to meet people where
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: they are during the final days before an election.
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  Speaker 1: That's just normal shit. You do it. when you actually
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: trying to win. Cause you know that what, You say, as.
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  Speaker 3: A white man named Donald Trump, and even what you
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: say as a Black woman who is a politician that
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: people are turned off.
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  Speaker 1: By, it may not attract certain folks. But when they.
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  Speaker 3: See you standing next to Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather, Nicki Minaj, blah, blah, blah,
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  Speaker 3: and over here, Kamala, you know, Kamala alongside Meg Thee
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  Speaker 3: Stallion or whoever else, It does attract the eyeballs and
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  Speaker 3: the ears of people who may not have been listening
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  Speaker 3: to you standing alone. So these are these are tactics
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  Speaker 3: that are used on both sides. And they and people
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  Speaker 3: would only do that if they are trying to win something.
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  Speaker 2: You're 100% correct.
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  Speaker 4: But like I said, it pains me to see our
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  Speaker 4: legendary people, in my opinion, sell out because what are
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  Speaker 4: you doing it for?
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  Speaker 2: What are you gaining from it?
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  Speaker 4: You can't look at this administration and see what it's
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: done to Black people, how it's disenfranchised us, how we've
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: had the highest unemployment rates, how they've pretty much rolled
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: back everything that was actually trying to help us gain
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  Speaker 4: equity inside this country. And to side with that, for
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: whatever reason, to me, it just doesn't make sense at all. So,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm going to continue to call it out.
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  Speaker 4: I don't care how many, you know, titles you win.
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  Speaker 4: I don't care how many records you see. I don't
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: care how many anything. When you seem to be anti-Black
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: and you're on the side of the oppressor and you're
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: siding with white supremacy, man, then you become an enemy
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: of the people. And with that said, we've come to
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: the end of another episode. Once again, shout out to
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: Mary Pat Hector for coming and joining us and letting
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: you know what's at stake.
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  Speaker 2: Continue to follow us. Let us know what you want
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: to hear.
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  Speaker 4: Let us know about anything that you think that we
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: can do better with this show because we love the
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: support that.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: You give us. We're going to continue to be the
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: best we can. I'm not going to always be right.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Tamika D. Mallory's not going to always be wrong, but
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: we will both, and I mean both, be authentic. Peace.
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