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Exorcism of Anneliese Michel, Part 1 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Kind of is not good.
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  Speaker 1: so we have the week off this week and we're
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  Speaker 1: so we're slowly actual already.
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  Speaker 2: Moving shit into it slowly.
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  Speaker 1: But that's kind of what I wanted to do. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I want it to be slow. Hopefully we'll have a
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  Speaker 1: garage sale this weekend, so if you want to buy.
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  Speaker 2: Our ship stuff on buy We've got some bowls.
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  Speaker 1: So oh, we got a lot more than just bowls
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  Speaker 1: all day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got some margarita glasses.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because we're going to just drink at a Mason
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  Speaker 1: jars be like hipsters. Is that a hipster thing? I
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  Speaker 1: feel like it is.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think technically originally it was like a redneck
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  Speaker 2: hillbilly thing, or like originally because like drinking in the
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  Speaker 2: moonshine the jars and stuff. Right, Oh okay, it was
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  Speaker 2: a moonshiner thing.
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  Speaker 1: Are we he'll redneck hillbillies?
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  Speaker 2: I do think we have some moonshine in our cupveroed
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe like a tiny bit that. Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're redneck.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to take a dog, we will give
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  Speaker 2: you money to take one.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, this is all jokes. We're obsessed with our dogs.
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  Speaker 1: I think people probably know that. Yeah, but yeah, they're
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  Speaker 1: not for sale. But yeah, we're gonna have a groageo
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  Speaker 1: this weekend. So yeah, I wanted to move into the
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  Speaker 1: tiny home slowly, and we kind of are. But I
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  Speaker 1: think there's gonna be like a crunch time where it's like, yeah, well.
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  Speaker 2: That the official dates moving in on us. We only
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  Speaker 2: have a couple of weeks left, so yeah, we got
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  Speaker 2: some stuff to get done on the tiny home and
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  Speaker 2: the move, but we'll be in there sooner and later.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's sweet and you'all asking for tiny home updates.
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  Speaker 1: We just threw that in there.
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  Speaker 2: Who whoa, whoa Did you just say y'all?
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  Speaker 1: I actually do say y'all sometimes I think in conversation,
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  Speaker 1: don't I I don't know, Well, I'm starting it now.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And I also say a a lot or hey.
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  Speaker 2: Hey a hey, I say a lot when I'm swearing
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  Speaker 2: a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Don't we even say a lot differently too?
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  Speaker 2: About that's what you're thinking? We say about weird.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. There's other things.
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  Speaker 2: We're Canadian. That's all I know.
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  Speaker 1: That's all. Yeah, that's all we know. That's all we know.
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  Speaker 1: That's all. We're here for.
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  Speaker 2: What we are going to do, though. We're going to
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: slow this intro down because well, maybe not slow down,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to speed it up. Okay, there we go,
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  Speaker 2: because we got to get into this case. This is
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, a crazy case.
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  Speaker 1: I'm almost nervous.
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  Speaker 2: I have not done this much research on a case
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  Speaker 2: since the very first episode.
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  Speaker 1: Do Out Look Past Real.
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  Speaker 2: It is, oh my god, so much out there on this,
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  Speaker 2: and it trying to weed through all the information because
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: a really big thing I noticed when researching I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure if you've noticed the same. When we're researching a case,
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  Speaker 2: Google usually pops up with like the first few pages
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  Speaker 2: of Google is generally recent news articles, which just skim
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  Speaker 2: over the information and it's very bland the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: So trying to find that deep information can be hard
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  Speaker 2: sometimes unless you go like Reddit or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: But and this was the case with this, And even
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  Speaker 2: when you do find some deeper ones, they're not all
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  Speaker 2: correlating the same because it's like, okay, between this date
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  Speaker 2: and this date this stuff happened, It's like, okay, that's
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  Speaker 2: like a three four year gap, So when were these
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: things and what exactly was that? So you find another
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  Speaker 2: one that says the date on this incident, and another
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  Speaker 2: website that says a date on this incident, and you're
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  Speaker 2: trying to file all these things together. So that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of what I found with this, and holy hell, is
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  Speaker 2: a lot. And I'm impressed with you guys Instagram because
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  Speaker 2: you managed to guess it once again. I thought I
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: was gonna fool you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, just expect that they'll get it. They're awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I am expecting they're going to get it. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: hoping that I'll google them.
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  Speaker 1: There's just a small bit of hope in there.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, well, I think we went like twelve minutes and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, no one's got it yet.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, oh my gosh, well minutes. It's nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I know. I know my hopes are up though. Regardless
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  Speaker 2: though this is the case of Annalise Michelle, which inspired
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: the movie The Exorcism of Emily Rose.
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  Speaker 1: Which we just watched. We did just watch it, so
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I know a little bit about this
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: case because lot of times you leave me in the
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: dark and I'm legitimately learning everything just as you guys
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  Speaker 1: all are.
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  Speaker 2: You're a little bit of a ahead of the game.
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  Speaker 1: This time, I am a little bit by a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people probably watched that movie.
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  Speaker 2: Too, Yes, And what I found really interesting about this
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  Speaker 2: movie is there's a lot of of course, you know,
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  Speaker 2: movie magic scripted stuff, but there was a lot of
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  Speaker 2: like small details they had in there that were very
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  Speaker 2: on point when I was watching it, like, very on
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  Speaker 2: point key.
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  Speaker 1: But I was also asking you questions all day and
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  Speaker 1: you weren't answering them, And now I can't remember any
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  Speaker 1: of those questions. Hopefully they get answered.
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  Speaker 2: You did know some extra information, but I didn't tell
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  Speaker 2: you all of it.
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  Speaker 1: No, you didn't.
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  Speaker 2: So let's let's go head down into the case of
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  Speaker 2: Analise Michelle so Anna Elizabeth Michelle or Annalise Mitchell. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's because she's German, so I think it's like Mitchell,
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  Speaker 2: but most people just say Michelle.
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  Speaker 1: So okay.
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  Speaker 2: So Annalise was born September twenty first, nineteen fifty two.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, ka got it.
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  Speaker 2: This took place in West Germany, So she's German, like
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  Speaker 2: I said, And she was born into a strict Catholic family.
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  Speaker 2: Annalisee's parents, Anna and Joseph Mitchell, were deeply religious, and
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  Speaker 2: before Annalise was born, her mother became quote unquote disgraced
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  Speaker 2: by giving birth to an illegitimate child. Truth that means
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Actually in here, illegitimate means like was she not married
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  Speaker 1: or something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's having a kid before marriage. Oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so a legitimate child is birthed in marriage.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, I see, and then back in that day
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  Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties is probably even.
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  Speaker 2: More strict whatever, right, a strict Catholic family. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, she gave birth to a baby girl named
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  Speaker 2: Martha hold On. Okay, yes, so, and as punishment for
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  Speaker 2: her sin, Anna had to actually wear a black veil
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  Speaker 2: on her wedding day. This is like how hardcore this
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  Speaker 2: family is and how religious they are.
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  Speaker 1: So I've never heard of that.
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty intense.
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  Speaker 1: That's like wild, right and like kind of brutal. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say. I've never heard
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  Speaker 1: of that. That is so intense.
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  Speaker 2: If I were he, I would have just showed up
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  Speaker 2: in an entirely black yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was literally what was going through my head. Yeah, like,
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  Speaker 1: fuck you all, just the whole thing black.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But then I don't know what would her next
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  Speaker 1: punishment be. You gotta be careful, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding. Well, anyways, her first legitimate daughter was Annalise.
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  Speaker 2: She was born, and Anna became began to slowly and
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  Speaker 2: steadily impose the idea of Annalise needing to be like
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  Speaker 2: this perfect child upon her sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Can I ask a question already? Sorry? Yes, okay, but
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  Speaker 1: that first kid of theirs, yes it was. It's like
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  Speaker 1: the same mom and dad as the second kid, right, yes, okay, just.
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  Speaker 2: To make sure it was before.
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  Speaker 1: That, it was just before they're married.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, ok So Martha actually ended up dying of
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  Speaker 2: kidney failure in nineteen fifty six at the age of
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  Speaker 2: only eight years old.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that's awful, right, like shitty.
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  Speaker 2: So after that, Anna became even more sort of in
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  Speaker 2: her attempts to push Analyse into religious practices, demanding that
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  Speaker 2: she attend mass twice a week and keep her at
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: a very close like like close proximity to her so
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  Speaker 2: she could always be watching her like a very much
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  Speaker 2: so like a helicopter mom and today's standard sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hm.
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  Speaker 2: So it was like always like Analyse had to be
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  Speaker 2: perfect in every aspect of Anna's vision. Okay, okay, got that.
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  Speaker 1: That's a lot to live up to.
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  Speaker 2: Probably, so while Analyse was in her teens, she even
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  Speaker 2: slept on bare stone floor quote unquote, suffering for the
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  Speaker 2: sins of homeless, homeless drug addicts and others damned souls
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  Speaker 2: this is how hardcore she pushed her.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So even despite all these pushings and everything, Analse did
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  Speaker 2: enjoy school, and she was described as happy and well
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  Speaker 2: liked by her teachers and excelled at languages. But in
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  Speaker 2: September of nineteen sixty eight, when she was sixteen, she
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  Speaker 2: blacked out in clas and went into an epileptic seizure.
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  Speaker 2: According to classmates, she seemed to go into like a
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  Speaker 2: trance like state for a few minutes, which really, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of typical of seizures. I mean, can you
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  Speaker 2: imagine a person who's having a seizure and they're not
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  Speaker 2: in like a translate state, they're very like conscious, Like
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  Speaker 2: that's not normal.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but it's like why did she have that? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, anyways, that night she woke up with a
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  Speaker 2: heavy feeling on her body. It was feeling like something
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  Speaker 2: was pressing down on her on her chest when she
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: was sleeping in bed, felt like she was being pinned down,
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: and it was also reported that she uncontrollably wet the
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: bed from this incidentt Oh jeez, so pretty heavy stuff,
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: especially for a sixteen year old. Yeah, I can imagine
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: if I felt something like that pressing down on me
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the night.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: I'd piss myself just saying, well, yeah, you'd be scared.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: I'd probably shit myself scared shitless.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you're a little bit worse than Anneli's aura.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: That's a lot.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is terrifying. Yeah, and it seems to
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: me a lot like what's being described here is sleep prolysis. Okay,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: So like you're you're kind of like wide awake, but
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: you can't move. You're paralyzed.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, so it could feel like something was kind of
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: on you because you.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Can move and you're having these muscle contractions from potential seizure.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: So it could feel like a very heavy presence or
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: something pushing on your chest. That's what it seems like,
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: and medically, that's what a lot of people generally explain
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: these things as when it comes to this case. Okay, however,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: we are talking about what influenced a movie called The
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Exorcism of Emily Rose. So there's also the other obvious
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: end of the spectrum of the argument.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: I have to toss that movie out of my head, though,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: is that right away I was like, what do you
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: mean choose that college, so I got to get rid
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not entirely Yeah. Like I said, there's some
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: details that are spot on, but the movie itself not
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: so much.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, now where did I go?
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Okay? So she didn't go to school the next day.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: She wasn't feeling well and she needed to regain her strength,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: so she stayed home and her parents monitored her. She
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: quickly recovered and her family decided that she was fine
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: as there was no further incidents. Okay, that is until
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: eleven months later, in August of nineteen sixty nine.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a big gap.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: It is something similar happened and Analyse was taken to
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: a doctor. She was diagnosed with psychosis caused by a
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: temporal lobe epilepsy, and shortly thereafter she was diagnosed with depression,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: which was treated by a psychiatric hospital. Okay, so doctor, again,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: these are German names, so I'm gonna try my best.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Vogued vogt vogged fogged. Maybe I'm gonna say vogged Okay,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: doctor Vogged. The family physician was consulted and after examining
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: a lease, doctor Vogg couldn't find anything wrong with her,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: so he referred her to a new neurologist named doctor
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Sigfried Louthy. Now Doctor Luthy found nothing his initial examination,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: so he ended up ordering an EEG on the twenty
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: seventh of August nineteen sixty nine. And an EEG is
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: a test that detects electroactivity in your brain using small
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: electrodes that attached to your scalp. So it's basically like
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: a brain scan.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, so if okay, sorry, if she has these things,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: it's going to detect.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: It should However, the EEG didn't find anything either. It
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: showed completely normal results.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Hmmmm, So the doct trust the.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Doctor believed Anne Elise was experiencing Grand Mau seizures, and
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: since she only had two events, there was no necessarily
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: any reason for her to have medicine prescribed to her. Okay,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: So essentially it's just kind of like she just had
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: a couple off seizures. There's nothing wrong with her mentally
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: like it. Hopefully it's just a one and done kind
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: of incident or two and done agains incident.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: That is alarming though, Hey, it is like that would
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: just make you nose at all, because it sounds like
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: they're intense.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whether you're talking about potential possession or some sort
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: of I don't know something in your system neurologically or
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: is that the word neurologically? Brainly, I don't know brainally.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: If there's something going on one way or another medically
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: or religiously, how's that. It's terrifying to think of either way.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: So I don't know. It would it would scare the
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: shit out of me, That's all I know. So, while
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: undergoing the psychiatric evaluation by doctor Luthy Analise, her tonsils
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: became inflamed and she had a tonsilectomy. Okay, shortly after
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: the operation, analyse contracted. I'm gonna butcher saying this florissy, flurissy,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: which is the lung condition? Oh really, yeah, flourish. It's
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: something about like the lung becoming inflamed and like almost
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: becoming detached from like, oh god, her rib cage wall.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: So it was from that operator to the tonsils getting removed.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: No, I don't believe.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: So it was just a case totally, Like, holy, a
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: lot of shit's happening along with that.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: She developed pneumonia and tuberculosis.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Holy freg Yeah, she's in some rough shade.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's going through a lot of shit, no care,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of shit. So from nineteen sixty nine to
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy she was sick and restricted to her bed
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: to recover. Then in February of nineteen seventy, Annalise was
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: admitted to a hospital specializing in children with lung disease. Then,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: without improvement, she was sent to a tuberculosis clinic in Bavaria.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: While the clinic, well, in the clinic, sorry, Analise had
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: kind of isolated herself with her with her kind of
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: quirky nature is the best way to say it. She
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: was kind of closed off a little bit, especially with
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: what she's been going through recently, right.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: So it's just changed her speed basically.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Well it's that a bit, but also her upbringing in
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: a strict Catholic family, sleeping on stone floors, that sort
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: of thing. So she kind of isolated herself and she
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: was being taunted by the kids and they were calling
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: her snot nose.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, Well they were.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Kind of perceiving her as being stuck up a bit too.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Oh I see, okay, I thought that she just said
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: like snot running from her nose. That was like not
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: like like that, she was snotty that's interesting.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they thought she was being snotty, probably more so
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: because of her religious practices that sort of thing. Yeah, okay, sorry,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: this is like info heavy. So that was February of
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy. Now we're onto June third of nineteen seventy
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: and Lese had a third seizure.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Oh dang.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: And again it took place around the same time as
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: the other two, which was now being noticed as a pattern.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: And it was midnight. She suffered sleep paralysis again with
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the same weight pressing down in her chest, and once
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: again wet the bed. Once she recovered, she shot right
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: up in bed and screamed in terror, and her screams
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: woke up the rest of the clinic and brought in
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: the nurses.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a visual on the half. Eh. Yeah.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Well, with sleep prolyssis, you can't make a noise, you
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: can't move, so as soon as it's like you're snapping
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: out of it, it's like just freaking the fuck out.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, like help me, yeah, like help me, Holy frick.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Rightanic I panic. The other kids in the clinic now
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: also thought Analise was crazy.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Oh dang.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was also noted in her files that the
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: children told her she was possessed by the devil.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: That's nice.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Possession claims were also partially linked to the twisted expression
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: on Analise's face, her eyes appearing black as her pupils
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: would dilate to such large size that the facts that
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: her eyes basically just looked like they were pure.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Black time or just when she was.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Happy during that incident. Yeah, sorry, I kind of worded
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: that a little bit, but it was during that incident, okay.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And also her hands were locked rigidly like a cat
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: quote unquote, like a cat extending its claws. Yeah, and
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: that's so that's what she kind of looked like when
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: the nurse nurse's first found her when they came in
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: after that incident sort of thing. So she's awake, but
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: she's still like contorted and like screening.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: So despite this, her physical health would begin to improve.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Analise was discharged and sent home. Notably, though, when she
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: was sent home, her sister reported that Analyse was frequently
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: angry and would go into uncontrollable rages.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: She would have full on seizures. She would frequently blackout,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: develop a snarled and distorted face during her episodes have
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: her arms go rigid and urinate all over herself, and
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: theseisodes would continue and continue and only begin to increase
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: in frequency. I can't imagine having a family member in
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: my house having to go through that sort of shit.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Well, and I thought that they just said that she
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: was like better. That doesn't sound like.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: She well, she was recovering from things like her tuberculosis.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: That shit was better.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So like she's getting better from those specific diseases,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: but she's not getting better in other aspects because she
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: was sent to that children's hospital that was specifically for
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: the lung diseases, right, so she's kind of recovering from those.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Right, So that makes sense. Well, yeah, I couldn't imagine
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: just oh well, because she was the oldest, so her siblings,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I would think, like you'd almost be afraid her. Yeah, right,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: like your own family is now kind of walking around
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: you with like on eggshells.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Right, Oh, definitely. I mean I'm already the black sheep
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: in my family and I can't And I'm the youngest,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: though not the oldest, But I can't imagine if they
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I actually gave my family a real reason to make
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: me a black.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Sheep, right, Oh, maybe you do.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Maybe I do and I just don't realize it. Maybe
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I have twisted, distorted looks on my faces every time
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I see my family.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I'll let you know, Okay, I'll watch you appreciate it.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: All right. So anlease was seen by a neurologist, uh
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: doctor Vaughan Holler. I don't have doctor written here, I
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: just realized, but I'm assuming it's doctor. He's a neurologist.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: So oh yeah. This time the EEG did show irregular
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: alpha waves mixed with scattered delta waves and theta waves.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Though he tried, he was unable to introduce any or
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: induce any seizures by stimulation of the brain. Nonetheless, in
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: view of her previous seizures, he recommended an anti convulsion drug. Okay,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: So it was determined that she had a form of epilepsy,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: and anti seizure medication was, like I said, recommended. So
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: it was recommended, though it wasn't given to her right away.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Just want to highlight that there.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I imagine all of this going on too. Is just
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: it could just be hurting her body too.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, seizures a lot of time, they're not easy
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: on you. You're convulsing you have a very fall down.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: You have a very high chance of hitting your head.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Well, and then just that is that's happening a lot.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine it's good for your brain either.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, definitely, not definitely not okay. So a week later,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: while praying, annially suddenly saw quote unquote a huge, grimacing
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: face for a brief moment. From that point onward, she
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: often feared to pray, thinking that the monstrous face might
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: return if she did so. This was her first time
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: linking that ailment might be something other than an ordinary
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: illness and linking it to her religion, and this is
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: where she began to develop an aversion to wholly related items, crosses,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: things like that.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: So, in nineteen seventy two, doctor Luthy examined Annalise once
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: again and could find nothing pathologically wrong in another EEG.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: She was, however, finally prescribed an anti convulsion drugph zentropal,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: which is in America North America called Delantin. Okay, So,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: while she was taking her season your.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm glad you're saying this because or doing this case,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: because I would have already so much trouble pronouncing all.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: The show I'm getting so tongue tied already.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: You're doing about one hundred times better than I would
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: be doing.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I got to take a sip here.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that will help. It's all gone.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Alcohol will help me particulate better.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I can speak words good. Okay. So, while she was
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: taking her seizure medication, That's what I was trying to say,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: she was still experiencing some epileptic symptoms, though she wasn't
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: having full seizures, and she did continue to see evil
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: menacing faces that would scarce like, holy fuck. Could you
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: imagine you're just sitting there taking a ship and all
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, in the door in front of you,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: there's just this like damn face.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I was outside earlier cleaning up the dog shit,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: speaking of shit, and I had left my garden door open,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the wind took and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: it was like close, and I was like, oh my god,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: side even though it's like clearly this the wind, but
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: it's like, was that after you watched the movie?
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha, especially considering there is a point in that
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: movie where a door is creepily opening up slowly.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm it was the wind. It was the wind.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, it was total, it was. I always lose my
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: spot every time we get on. Oh, you have nothing
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: to be sorry for. I'm just for whatever reason, I
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: can never look get.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: So interested in what I'm having to say.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: It's because I look at you. It's because I look
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: at your face and you're just so beautiful.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Beautiful eyes.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, oh look at that. I lost my spot. Okay,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: So Anilie's turned more towards her faith. Oh, hold on, Yeah,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: so Anili's did turn towards more her faith and began
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: to immerse herself in biblical literature, and she pilgrimaged to
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: local shrines. She then came to believe that she was
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: being made to suffer from a greater or for a
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: greater spiritual reason. What that reason was not too sure.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: The first unofficial diagnosis was made by an older woman
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: while Annalise was on one of her pilgrimages. She noticed
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: that Annalise avoided walk past particular images of Jesus and
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: that she refused to drink water from a holy spring,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: along with claims that anially smelled quote unquote hellishly bad.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: So she unofficially diagnosed her with being possessed. Interesting, Now,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I don't think she has any specific title that gives
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: her the right to give that diagnosis. Who is this? Sorry,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: just some older woman, I don't I couldn't find a name,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: but some woman that was on one of her pilgrimages
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: with her sort of thing.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, so trusting.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: On September third of, I don't know what year, because again,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: trying to correlate those years sometimes was just fucking difficult.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like the last year was nineteen seventy two.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: It is nineteen seventy two. That's the last year. So
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: this very well could be nineteen seventy two or nineteen
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: seventy three. Okay, so I'm not too sure if it is,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I think it's late nineteen seventy two. But so on
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: September of, I'm assuming nineteen seventy two, Anneli's visited doctor
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Luthy again and finally told him of the hideous faces
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: she was seeing as she hid them from him all
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: this time. So far from fear of being ridiculed or judged.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean she's very much so already been judged
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: through this.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding, that's fair, But I mean, so far
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: it can be like medically explained, or at least hopefully
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: medically explained. They're looking for something medical, and all of
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: a sudden you're like, yeah, I'm seeing demons and shit,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: But that could.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Still technically kind of be medical explained.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: It can, it can, but it's also something that someone
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: could be worried about being ridiculed, like I'm seeing fucking demons.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people might think him Graig Cray. Yeah, yeah, I
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: know that's fair.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Regardless, though she did tell doctor Luthy finally good and
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: doctor Luthy recalled that quote unquote, she could not get
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: her mind off these things. She had no power of decision,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: and everything was empty in her oh an Anna Michelle,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: which is Anelice's mother, claimed that doctor Luthy then advised
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: them to seek out a Jesuit priest about about the
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: demonic faces, but the doctor denies this claim to this day,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: says he never really never recommended that. So there is
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: thought that maybe it was like a joke in a
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: passing comment like maybe you should like see a I
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: don't know, like you know.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Something like that, like yeah, but like when you're talking
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: to a doctor, they shouldn't be joking.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Well, but like that she seems she's seen Damon's maybe
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: a priest is.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Your answer, And because of their there's quite religious background,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: they took it like quite literally.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: So that's possible. Yeah, because she says he did say
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: say it. He's like, I did not recommend that, So
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: there could have just been like a passing comment that
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: he never even really meant, I guess, but regardless.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Or he's just a liar, or he's just a liar.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: And he wants to keep his like medical name clean
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: of anything like that. Regardless of that whole situation, though
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: she says he recommended it, he says he didn't. However,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: what did come out from that is doctor Luthy did
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: label and Lease as no longer capable of making decisions
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: on her own. But this warning, however, fell in empty years.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, so he's saying that she shouldn't be making
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: decisions on her own. Yeah, but then they didn't take
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: that literally.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, they didn't really listen to that.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Interesting. This whole doctor's appointment seems like it was a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: bit sketch, right.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know, going into the walking clinic
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: in like the real sketchy part of town, and you're
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: just being eyed up by everyone in there, and they're like,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: you got some money.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, so they take his jokes literally, but his
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: actual advice not Yeah.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, got it. Now. Shortly after this, a neighbor
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: to the Michelle family, THEA. Hines, seriously suggested that Analse
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: could possibly be possessed.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: THEA was also heavily religious and was a member of
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: the same Paris that the Michelle family attended. She also
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: frequently host hosted meetings of the just these words are hard.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: These words are hard.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: They are. She also frequently hosted meetings of the Jesuits.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: There we go uh in the area. And through these connections,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Father Ernest Alt was asked to come in and evaluate Analse. Okay,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: so analyse began seeing Father Ernest Alt. I hope I
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: consistently went through and said Alt in this because it's
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: going to message yep, because there I refer to him
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: as Ernst and I'm like, I know, I said Alt.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Later on.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Anyway, Okay, we get it, we got it. That's the
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: probably only priest involved. I'm assuming, so, m oh shit, okay,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: never mind, that's not helpful. Now.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Father Alt also claimed that he had special god given
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: powers to know if a person was under demonic influence
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: or if it was just someone who was physically ill.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: He claimed, this, Okay, so interesting, this is I wish
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I had that power, right sweet, I'd be like.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: That person's a fucking demon. That person's a demon. My boss,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: you a fucking demon. Get the fuck out of here.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I really hope my boss is listening to.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: This right now.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say he's not.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Okay. So on the twenty sixth of December nineteen seventy three,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: something happened in the world which could potentially have changed
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: the path of this case and the life of Analyse forever.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Any idea what it is?
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: No, dang, I really want to.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: The movie The Exorcist was released.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Ah.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: This movie was based on the book written in nineteen
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: seventy one by William Peter Blatley, and it could very
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: well have been influence that sealed Analyse's fate.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Really very well come. And this is interesting.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Well, up until this point, exorcisms and possessions was not
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: much of a huge thing. I mean, it was something definitely,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I mean clearly they've already been mentioning it for Analise.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: That people are predicting she's possessed.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but now this movie, which if you dive into
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: the Exorcist at all, when it was in theaters, people
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: were running out of the theaters, people were fainting in theaters,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: There was news reports of all this. It was pandemonium
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: over this movie in theaters.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: And was it just like a made ups thing? Right?
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: This movie? I can't remember. I didn't do my research
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: thoroughly on the Exorcist movie itself. The Exorcist movie may
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: have been based on another event I don't know, or
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: if it's written it's based on the book, and I
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: don't know if the book is fictional or if it's
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: based on true events. Okay, someone out there might know us.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Hit us up on Instagram if you know that. But regardless,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: the movie came out and it could very well have
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: played a role because now the whole world is talking
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: about possession and exorcistem.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: How to get rid of it.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So Annalise would visit Father Herman, which is a
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: new father. She was working with about ten times from
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: fall of nineteen seventy three to the summer of nineteen
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: seventy five. Now, during this time, Father Hermann provided counseling
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: for Analyse and would evaluate her demonic possession. They would
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: consistently pray, and Analyse would tell Father Herman that she
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: felt like she was being controlled. During these visits. Father
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Herman noted that Analse quote unquote showed no violent behavior
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: or adversions to any Christian symbols, which is contradictory to
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: many other priests claims.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: When her own yeah, like earlier on I think you.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Mentioned, yeah, well she it wasn't necessarily that she had
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: an aversion. Well there was.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: She thought there was some correlation.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so she kind of avoided them. It's not that
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: she hated them or anything.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: So okay.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: So that was between the summer between fall of nineteen
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: seventy three and summer of nineteen seventy five. She was
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: seeing Father Herman a bit now. Also during the fall
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: of nineteen seventy three and least began attending the University
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: of Wurzburg. I think is how you say it again
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: German word? I don't fucking know. I tried my best.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you're doing good.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you on a scholarship. Actually, so good for her
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: on that right on, while continuing to take her prescribed medications.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Doctor Luthy's records actually confirmed that her parents obtained a
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: renewed prescription for diet D latin. I think is how
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: you said latin. Whatever she was taking before, she's still
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: on that lat D lantin. There we go de lantin
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: and I just have to say something super quick.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Sorry. So with all the shit she was going through,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: like mega shit, she still got a scholarship. She did,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Like that's actually amazing, right.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: So I do want to say right there and a
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Lisa's the badass of.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, that's like wow.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: So good for her. Holy So, although she wasn't troubled
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: by seizures, she continued to see hideous faces and be
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: troubled by depression and homesickness even while she was on
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: the medication. So she is still getting symptoms, but she's
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: not at least having the full on.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Seizures, which is good.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: So on November twenty seventh, she saw doctor Leonard, doctor Lennard,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: a psychiatrist. She told him I have and this is
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: a quote from her, I have no will power. I
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: simply float around and don't know what I want. A
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Doctor Lennard recommended a neurological exam due to Analysea's history
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: of seizures, and yet again another EEG was performed for
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: the first time. However, an Lisa's EEG was judged at normal. Okay,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: as another doctor in here, doctor Sleep Schlep s c
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: h L E I P Sleep Schlep.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: You're asking me, Schlep.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Doctor Schlep found quote unquote apiletic patterns. Okay, yea, referring
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: to a discharge on the left temporal region.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Wonder if this, like medical technology is just getting better.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: You know, it's.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Potential, there's potential for that. I mean, I'm not verse
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: too much in the medical world or industry or especially
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: how it's grown over the course of the seventies, so
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not too.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Sure, but I mean I feel like there could definitely
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: be some growth with it, is my thought.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Oh definitely. Like can say there's a potential for it,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: but I don't know for sure. Yeah, doctor Schlepp changed
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Analysa's prescription from Delantin. I said it, right, yea, Delantin
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: to the stronger Tegretel to Gretel to Gretel in hopes
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: of fully suppressing epileptic symptoms. The new medication, however, did
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: nothing to relieve her.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Symptoms, so it just worked the same basically. Yeah, hmm, dang.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: And I feel like she just has so much hope
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: and that she hasn't lost it really at this point,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: you know, in a sense, she has just kind of
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: been trying to get help.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: She is, but she doesn't know where to turn, whether
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: it's medical or religious religion, I should say, but yeah,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: it's no one can help her at this point. They
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: don't know what's going on. What the fuck? So yeah,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: m throughout nineteen seven, twenty five, Father Alt, there you go,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Father Altsy, I told you, there you go, and Father
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Arnold Wrens visited Annalise basically mostly based mostly on Alt's
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: ability to quote unquote detect demons. Fucking demon detecting motherfucker
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: over here. The priest decided that she was indeed possessed,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: and Annalise was told to stop taking her medications on
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: the priest's order. They were convinced that it was not
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: a medical situation.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, but that medication was doing some things. By the
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: sound it.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Was, it was doing something, but it wasn't keeering, No,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: it was just holding back the seizures. That was about
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: it hmm. So in May fifteenth, nineteen seventy five, her
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: grandmother died and Annalise went into a sharper decline. She
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: again began to develop an aversion for holy items. She
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: found the prayers of her school friends to be unbearable.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Even when the prayers were silent, she threw a rose
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: and a bottle of holy water across the room and
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: she could not bear to step into a church and
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: she just stopped attending church altogether. M During this time
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: with father Alt and Wrens. Father Alton, father Wrens, Analise
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: is said to have this is where some of the
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: weird shit starts going on, because she's now offer medications.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Right, just starts were there.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Well, she's off her medication and she's like deep into
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: this and since her grandmother died, Yeah, she's going off
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: the deeper end. And now also being told that it
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: is possession by these priests. Annalise is said to have
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: licked up her own urine off the floor, coal stripped,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: naked and eaten spiders and insects. She's began to avoid
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: these religious items like crosses, holy water. She would hardly sleep,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: as she would stay up all night praying and refusing
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: to eat, like just brutal shit. And among all these things,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: she began speaking in demonic voices.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds like a disaster age.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could say that.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Can imagine watching your kid?
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine just like, hey, did you clean your room?
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: You open the door and your kids sitting there naked
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: eating spiders, talking and demon voices. Yeah, I'm gonna close
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: that door.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, you can't close the door.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Well, you're gonna just be like, are you okay? Little Timmy?
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Do you need a time out?
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. You gotta do something that's scary,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: shit though.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I'm closing the door.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I would be scared, like scared shitless.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm closing the door.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what you gotta ship help?
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Timmy's on his own, man, you gotta help. I'm sorry,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I can't do it. No, okay. After months of pleading
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: from her parents, the church finally agreed to perform an exorcism.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, the parents pleaded for this, Yes, okay, that's good
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: to know.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: On Sunday, August third, nineteen seventy five, the first quote
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: unquote test exorcism was performed allegedly with oral consent from
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Bishop Joseph Stengel Stungel Stungle. Don't these names are hard yo.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: The test exorcism was a shortened form of the Full
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Right and was mostly composed of prayers and blessings.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Doesn't sound too bad.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Then, Based solely again on Father Alt's reports from the
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Test Ritual, the bishop issued a written authorization for a
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: full exorcism, so, with the express permission of the church,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: it was on September twenty fourth, nineteen seventy five, the
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: first full exorcism was performed on Annalise Mitchell.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Dun't dun't dum.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: So the priests decided that they would actually record their
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: sessions with Annalise, which was done in the movie The
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Exorcist and very well could be evidence of being influenced
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: from the movie. In total, there are forty two audio
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: recordings that were made from the exorcisms, and over the
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: next ten months from nineteen seventy five to nineteen seventy six,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Analise would go through sixty seven exorcism sessions, one or
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: two each week, lasting up to four hours long.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's a bit excessive, like super excessive, and in
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: the movie.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: They only say that she actually went through one. Now
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: this is the Exorcisms, sixty seven of them.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: And it was like ten months spent.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: That's freaking nuts, I know.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to play a short audio clip here
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: from some of those recordings. You're gonna be able to
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: hear a priest and the quote unquote possessed Annalise talking. Now,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: remember this is in German, so you're not gonna be
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: able to understand them. So for the context, the priest
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: is reciting different prayers and demanding in the name of
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: God that the demons give truth or responses and answer
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: to who they are and why they're here, that sort
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: of thing. What you will hear Annalise say first is
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: there is no return for us, no in all ages.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Then you'll hear the priest again, and then Annalise will
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: respond again there is no return, No one will return
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: from us.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: You ready, I think so?
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: And wow, how's that for you?
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, because okay, I actually
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: have I'm kind of a skeptic. I don't know if
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I like with the whole her being possessed thing. I
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: have trouble believing that for some reason, like I just
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: do that, and so then I'm like, Okay, it has
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: to like some sort of medical thing like the But
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: that's heavy.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very heavy because it's just.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Like any kind of medical illness or whatever that you
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: could have like, oh, would it sound like that? You know?
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean anyone like that that voice specifically that
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: she's making, anyone can really make that voice like I
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: can do it.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: But yeah, is a is.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: A mentally unstable person or that? And what would cause
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: them to do that? Yeah, So there's a lot of
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: questions surrounding that in what's going on, whether there's real possession,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: whether there's real mental illness, whether it's a combination of both.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Well, I put through the ringer for sure she has.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: So I mean maybe this that a mental illness is
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: really just digressed at that point. It's possible, I guess
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: it is without getting the help.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Well, especially considering you think that over the course of
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: years you are being told or at least influenced by
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: people on demons taking over you potential possessions, and if
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: you are mentally ill to the point where you are
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: susceptible to suggestion, you now could be literally thinking that
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: your feelings are demons, and you don't have control over
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: these feelings, and you are now manifesting these demons within you,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: and you are projecting your feelings in whatever voice is
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: thinking it's demons.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I guess, so, yeah, very much.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: So like someone with anger issues will lash out and
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: anger and afterwards it's just like, you know, I'm so sorry.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know what came over me. Could be a
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: very similar thing. I don't know. I'm not in that
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: field to say that's the case, but I mean that
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: makes sense to me.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: With that, though, we are going to end this episode here,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: we're going to start getting into a little bit more
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: of the exorcisms and the case that follows.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: For any we haven't done a two parter for a while.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: It is, but I've put in pro a good ten
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: hours of research on this and I'm not even done
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: the exorcisms and into the actual case yet.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Has been fun though, I bet it's
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: kind of fun research ish. It's a lot like I
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: know you've really been.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Like, it's both it's fun, it's daunting, it's kind of
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: fucking scary. I'm not gonna lie. I made sure that
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: I might have had the lamp on a couple of
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: times sitting next to me, or so I ever wanted.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: To scare the shit out of you, right now is
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: maybe the best time.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Good luck. Ah, I mean it's probably your best chance,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: but I mean one in a million is still not
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: a very good shot.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Dang, fine, I know, I don't think I've ever scared you.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you guys want to listen and follow
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: up on what happens to n Lease, we're going to
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: drop that. Not tomorrow, but the next day. It'll be Thursday,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: perfect September. What what is that? September eighth. I don't
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: know what's that.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what the date is today, dude.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be September eighth. So we're dropping in on
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: September eighth, the second in part to Analyse. No, it
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: won't be today's the sixth.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're dropping tomorrow ignore me, part two.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Ignore me. Yeah, it'll be September ninth. You get to
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: catch up on Analyse and what happens to her.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is a pretty wicked case. Well, actually,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: I think this is a pretty grim case, if I'm
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: going to say so. Until then, though, make sure you
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: guys stay wicked