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314: Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill: Rewriting Genetic Destiny – How Mothers Shape Lifelong Health · Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD

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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Welcome to Resiliency Radio, your go to podcast for the most cutting edge insights integrative and functional medicine.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I'm your host, Dr. Jill and with each episode we dive into the heart of healing and personal transformation.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Join me as I interview thought leaders, renowned medical experts and world leaders of all types, sizes and shapes.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Today's no different.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: We're going to dive in with Donna Gates, who was the author and is author of Body Ecology Diet.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It's been around a lot of years and a lot of patients have found help with their guts.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But today we're talking about something different about epigenetic tagging.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So stay tuned.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: You're going to really enjoy this episode with Donna Gates.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Okay, let's get to our show and introduce our guest, Donna Gates, who is a pioneering voice in functional nutrition and the founder of Body Ecology, a holistic health system that has helped thousands heal through grout restoration, microbiome balance and epigen genetic awareness.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: A best selling author and educator, Don is now leading a movement to empower women with groundbreaking science and I should say men as well.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Today, around preconception and epigenetic programming, it's these tags that we have in our genes that we may or may not know about that we're passing on to the next generation.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So her mission is to help mothers reset the genetic destiny of their children starting in the first days and before conception.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So let's jump right in with Donna Gates.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Donna, I have known you for many years and love the ways you show up in the world and all the incredible information you've brought to the world, especially with gut health in the past.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Today we're talking about a new topic and I'm so excited to dive in because as a physician, one of the things I see that's just puzzling and yet I know there's reasons for this massive rises in complex chronic illness that we used to never see in children, that we're now seeing, for example, a five year old getting Crohn's disease or the neuropsychiatric disorders in very young children.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And I could go on and on, but many people are observing this.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And I want to start today by maybe asking you, why do you think we're seeing some of the rise in complex chronic illness in our children?
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  Donna Gates: I don't think it's new.
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  Donna Gates: I think that it's been building up for generations.
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  Donna Gates: And I'm a baby boomer at the beginning of the baby boomer and you know, people, they just, there weren't very many sick people.
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  Donna Gates: And in my high school, for example, and onwards, people were strong and healthy.
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  Donna Gates: There's just one person I knew that had a gut problem, irritable bowel disease.
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  Donna Gates: But that was it.
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  Donna Gates: Then the next generation came along like our children.
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  Donna Gates: And autism showed up so rarely.
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  Donna Gates: I knew one person that had one child.
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  Donna Gates: And now I've watched autism grow from a small number to a ridiculous number.
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  Donna Gates: It's serious epidemic.
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  Donna Gates: I've always been interested in our kids.
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  Donna Gates: I have a degree in child development.
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  Donna Gates: Before I started working with autism, I kept having this dream, the dream.
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  Donna Gates: There was this little red bus.
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  Donna Gates: On the bus were a bunch of kids.
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  Donna Gates: They were laughing and playing and pushing each other around and having a good time, but they weren't looking ahead.
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  Donna Gates: They were about to go over a cliff and die.
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  Donna Gates: And that dream kept happening and happening.
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  Donna Gates: And so that made me start to really care about doing something.
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  Donna Gates: So I started, you know, praying, please let me find some answers and help people.
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  Donna Gates: But what I want to share with you and your listeners today, Jill, is something no one knows about.
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  Donna Gates: I was really sick for after Covid with as a long hauler and I just couldn't do very much.
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  Donna Gates: And so I just kind of laid there and started asking that same thing.
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  Donna Gates: Can I be of service?
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  Donna Gates: What can I still do?
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  Donna Gates: Is this it for me?
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  Donna Gates: And this amazing information that I'm going to share today started putting itself together.
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  Donna Gates: And the more I, you know, asked questions and dug deep, the more I realized it is truly a biological miracle, like a gift we human beings are given.
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  Donna Gates: And as I'm really excited to share it.
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  Donna Gates: Yeah.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So I, again, pre.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Before we started recording, you just alluded to some of this.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And I'm so excited to dive deep because I feel like more and more we're seeing infertility.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And when people do have children, there's much more incidents from birth all the way to the first decade or two of life of complex, chronic things that are happening.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And parents are more worried and concerned.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So let's start with conception, though, because I think that's a really good starting point.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: What exactly happens the first week after conception that determines a child's lifelong health?
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  Donna Gates: Okay, so everybody knows that the sperm and egg come together, and that's conception.
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  Donna Gates: Everyone knows that the father passes along his genes and mother gives the genes.
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  Donna Gates: Half of the genes come from mom.
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  Donna Gates: That's very well known.
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  Donna Gates: But what people don't think about is those genes have blemishes on them, or tags.
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  Donna Gates: They're called epigenetic tags.
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  Donna Gates: In other words, the entire life that the father has lived and all the years the mother has lived, the diet that she's had, which is most likely bad, like a processed food diet, the stress she's under, the infections she's got, the toxins she's gathered over all those years, they're creating tags on the genes.
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  Donna Gates: And the baby doesn't just get the genes, he gets the tags as well.
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  Donna Gates: And so that's very much an explanation for why we're seeing these tags are one reason why we're seeing this.
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  Donna Gates: But here's the miracle.
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  Donna Gates: Immediately after conception, in the first few hours after conception, the father's tags are literally erased.
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  Donna Gates: They're wiped completely clean.
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  Donna Gates: And then the mother's tags are wiped off over about slowly, about five days.
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  Donna Gates: So at the end of five days, that baby has a clean slate.
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  Donna Gates: He is not inheriting the sins, so to speak, of the mother and the father.
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  Donna Gates: He's, you know, it's amazing gift to this little creature that's just been formed.
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  Donna Gates: So I want people to take advantage of that.
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  Donna Gates: Like, first of all, they don't know about it.
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  Donna Gates: So I'd like for the word to be spread around that there's this opportunity to create a child that's not, you know, bringing.
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  Donna Gates: He's not carrying the mistakes that his parents have made.
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  Donna Gates: And so the thing is, too, on day six, the fertilized egg is now beginning to move into the uterus and implant itself.
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  Donna Gates: And at that point, new tags.
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  Donna Gates: So the baby's in the womb.
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  Donna Gates: The womb is the baby's environment.
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  Donna Gates: And these new tags are going to start coming on this baby's little genes.
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  Donna Gates: We need to prevent that and the way to do that.
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  Donna Gates: And by the way, at this point, the woman has no idea she's even pregnant.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah.
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  Donna Gates: You know, she won't know for weeks actually that she's actually pregnant.
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  Donna Gates: But here's this opportunity that she could miss completely if she didn't prepare a plan ahead.
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  Donna Gates: Both the father and the mother plan ahead and do what's really called mindful preconception.
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  Donna Gates: And, you know, be healthy.
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  Donna Gates: So when she's.
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  Donna Gates: The baby's in the womb and is developing, all these negative tags aren't put back on that little baby.
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  Donna Gates: It would change what we're seeing in the world today.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So we, I mean, this epigenetic tagging is so powerful.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And we do know about it because we can measure the methylation and basically it turns off and on different genes and it basically keeps.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: That's why you can have these ancestral memories literally stored in the gene.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And they've done the studies of like fruit flies and humans and different things where there was maybe a smell that the father encountered and that the child recognized that same smell of cherry blossoms, because that tag was there.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So this is really grounded in science.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I just kind of want to emphasize.
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  Donna Gates: What you're saying is very much based,.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And we're actually more and more of.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Even the kinds of testing we do in functional medicine is checking these tags for not only longevity, but illness and all this.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So this is really an important concept.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: You've introduced it really well.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And what I want to next talk about is you alluded to the fact that someone who maybe wants to have a family or a baby could actually think well ahead 6 months, 12 months or longer before.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Before they actually conceive and make some changes.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Let's talk about that.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So someone listening out there, maybe a mother who has.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Wants to have more children, maybe a grandparent who wants her daughter or son to have healthy children, or any number of things.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: A father who wants to be involved in what can he do with the conception of a child.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Let's speak to all of those groups and say, what could we do?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Preconception.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: How long before do we need to do this and how does that look?
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  Donna Gates: So in working with families that had an autistic child, many of them would tell me that they were afraid to have another child because they didn't want the next one to become autistic, which is really sad, because if they knew about this and they realized that these tags can be erased in that first week and even new tags aren't put back on again.
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  Donna Gates: You're not going to have a child with autism or something else, really serious diabetes or whatever.
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  Donna Gates: So they have to.
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  Donna Gates: This mindful preconception is where they start to prepare themselves, their body, the father, too.
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  Donna Gates: The father.
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  Donna Gates: Sperm is very important.
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  Donna Gates: It does some very important things as soon as it reaches the egg.
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  Donna Gates: For example, one of the things the sperm does is it starts the immune system in the brain, the little microglia in the brain.
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  Donna Gates: They are created and turned on by the father's signals in the father's sperm.
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  Donna Gates: And so people think, well, it's the mother's job to create the baby, but the father's very important.
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  Donna Gates: And if his sperm is dysbiotic, the mother won't even accept that sperm.
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  Donna Gates: And the egg actually picks the sperm that it wants to mate with.
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  Donna Gates: So some really important things are going on.
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  Donna Gates: The father needs to be in the mindful preconception phase two.
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  Donna Gates: The father needs to do the same things basically, that the mother needs to do.
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  Donna Gates: And that is we need to.
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  Donna Gates: And this is where I think they need to work with a functional medicine doctor.
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  Donna Gates: They need to identify what toxins are in their body and start working on that.
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  Donna Gates: I don't have any heavy metals like mercury in my body, but I do every day put some pectisol in with our fiber that we have.
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  Donna Gates: And that's a wonderful, simple way to get rid of heavy metals and mercury and all.
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  Donna Gates: It doesn't have to be difficult to get rid of the toxins.
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  Donna Gates: I think that they may need to do some testing to find out which toxins they have and then start working on that.
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  Donna Gates: You need time.
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  Donna Gates: Start maybe six months or maybe even better, two years.
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  Donna Gates: Or let's say that you're a mother of a little girl and you can start teaching her.
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  Donna Gates: Certainly by the time they're in high school, you can teach them to start really taking care of themselves because they have this amazing responsibility to create a child.
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  Donna Gates: And we don't teach our little girls that we should.
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  Donna Gates: But so you want to get rid of the toxins.
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  Donna Gates: You want to.
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  Donna Gates: So in the egg is the mitochondria, and the mother gives the mitochondria to the baby.
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  Donna Gates: So she needs to have healthy mitochondria, strong, abundant mitochondria.
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  Donna Gates: Mitochondria.
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  Donna Gates: So that she passes that along.
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  Donna Gates: The mitochondria Has a very critical role in the immune system.
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  Donna Gates: Having a strong immune system.
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  Donna Gates: Let's see.
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  Donna Gates: Most important probably is a diet, a very clean, healthy diet of protein and vegetables and healthy oils.
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  Donna Gates: One of the things that bothers me that people are saying out there right now is that avoidance seed oils.
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  Donna Gates: Well, the thing is there are seeds, like pumpkin seeds for example, and there's some companies like Spectrum is a clean one.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah, Spectrum is a very clean oil company.
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  Donna Gates: Yeah.
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  Donna Gates: So I have a pumpkin seed oil that I'll sprinkle on things all the time.
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  Donna Gates: So you're getting zinc, but it's completely unrefined.
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  Donna Gates: So that's what you want is you want a seed oil that's unrefined.
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  Donna Gates: And so canola oil, which is in a whole lot of our foods is.
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  Donna Gates: Could be healthy, but it tastes awful if it's refined.
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  Donna Gates: I mean, so refine it because it tastes so bad.
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  Donna Gates: But unrefined, bad tasting canola oil is not bad for you.
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  Donna Gates: It's just that the refined canola oil is in everything.
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  Donna Gates: So that's what I think they're trying to say is avoid those.
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  Donna Gates: But you do want healthy oils.
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  Donna Gates: That's really critical.
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  Donna Gates: Again, the mitochondria needs healthy fats.
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  Donna Gates: But so diet's critical and I think very prejudice toward this, you might say, is that everybody should have.
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  Donna Gates: The father and the mother should have fermented vegetables.
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  Donna Gates: For one thing.
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  Donna Gates: The mother may not be able to eat organic foods all the time.
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  Donna Gates: And so she's going to the store and eating normal vegetables that are sprayed with glyphosate.
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  Donna Gates: The thing is, the fermented vegetables, they do a lot of important things.
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  Donna Gates: They're very diverse.
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  Donna Gates: They have many different types of bacter.
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  Donna Gates: Huge number of them.
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  Donna Gates: But also one of their most important jobs is to clean and get rid of toxins.
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  Donna Gates: So let's say you're eating vegetables and they've been sprayed with glyphosate.
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  Donna Gates: So by eating the fermented vegetables at that meal, you're protecting yourself from that glyphosate.
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  Donna Gates: And if you're pregnant, you're protecting your baby from the glyphosate.
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  Donna Gates: So let's see.
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  Donna Gates: Diet, get rid of the toxins, have really healthy mitochondria.
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  Donna Gates: You want to exercise, that helps the mitochondria.
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  Donna Gates: But certain nutrients.
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  Donna Gates: The mitochondria really needs certain nutrients.
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  Donna Gates: CoQ10B vitamins, minerals and so on.
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  Donna Gates: And there's so much information out today about the mitochondria that, you know, people can go out and if they find a Good.
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  Donna Gates: Podcast with somebody who really knows their work.
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  Donna Gates: They can get anything, any information that they need.
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  Donna Gates: So let's see.
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  Donna Gates: Detoxing, getting rid of a diet that's very nutrient rich, free of toxins, as much as possible.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah, I really love the mitochondria point because so often complex chronic disease, whether it's children or parents, which is who we're talking to now, the mitochondria are really dysfunctional.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And just to throw out a few nutrients and you can certainly add to this list.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But B vitamins critical, especially B1 and B2, which a lot of times we don't.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: We think about methylated Bs, which is B6 and B12 and folate and riboflavin.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But those powerhouses, benfotamine or some sort of thiamine and B2 is riboflavin and then alpha lipoic acid and NA cysteine and super important.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Coenzyme Q10 in its many forms are super powerful.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Urolithin A is really powerful.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And so we're finding there's so many different things out there for the mitochondria.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And then you mentioned lipids and bilayers.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: All of our cells and communications is made of the lipid bilayer, which is like this, the pathway between cell communication and that is made up of the fats that we eat.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So I love that you've said that because we need a little saturated, we need a lot of omega 3 fatty acids are much more fluid.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: We need phospholipids like phosphatidylcholine and phosphatidylserine, which is why eggs, organic, you know, free range eggs can be super powerful part of a diet.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And I love that you mentioned fermented foods because I think people forget the power of that.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And it doesn't always have to be huge amounts.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It could be a tablespoon of sauerkraut,.
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  Donna Gates: A couple of tablespoons.
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  Donna Gates: Yeah, yeah.
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  Donna Gates: But you know, people, I keep hearing again, so much misinformation about fermented foods.
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  Donna Gates: For one thing, there's not.
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  Donna Gates: They're all different.
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  Donna Gates: You can't compare kefir and yogurt to vegetables, fermented vegetables, for example, or kombucha or anything, for one thing.
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  Donna Gates: Another thing is that these like the reason I always put fermented vegetables at the top is some people can't do dairy, so they're not going to be doing yogurt or kefir.
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  Donna Gates: But also the thing about, like the way I've taught people to use make their cultured vegetables for years is to actually shred up the vegetables, make a brine, and put in a starter.
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  Donna Gates: You can put other things in the brine too, like minerals.
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  Donna Gates: And also, I think, what are they?
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  Donna Gates: Oh, I even will put in some apples to make it sweeter.
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  Donna Gates: But the starter's really important.
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  Donna Gates: And the one we have is plantera.
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  Donna Gates: So when you put planterum in there and you put that into the mixture of vegetables.
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  Donna Gates: Plantera is a super microbe.
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  Donna Gates: It's a key stain, especially critical one, but it also, it's a leader.
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  Donna Gates: Like some of the.
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  Donna Gates: Many of the bacteria follow what planetarium tells them to do.
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  Donna Gates: And if you put in some starter and they.
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  Donna Gates: They'll grow and multiply like crazy.
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  Donna Gates: So pretty soon, I mean, let's say a week down the road, when you open up your jar and you start eating it, you have vast amount of.
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  Donna Gates: I even had it tested at the University of Nebraska.
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  Donna Gates: I was shocked.
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  Donna Gates: So I had sent them different jars with and without the starter.
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  Donna Gates: And when the results came back, I was absolutely shocked at how many, many millions of times more bacteria than the planter.
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  Donna Gates: And in particular.
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  Donna Gates: But all the others, too, they grow just as much.
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  Donna Gates: So it's a special food.
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  Donna Gates: And so I.
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  Donna Gates: And also the other thing is, I keep having people say that have histamine problems, which I have dealt with myself.
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  Donna Gates: They always say, don't eat fermented foods on the.
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  Donna Gates: If you're following a low histamine diet.
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  Donna Gates: Well, I would agree with that for most fermented foods, all of them probably, except for fermented vegetables made with a starter like we do, because plantarum actually degrades histamine.
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  Donna Gates: And so you grow a whole bunch of, you know, plantarum in a jar, and even a couple tablespoons of that is antihistamine.
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  Donna Gates: Yeah.
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  Donna Gates: So if I have something, if I start having histamine reaction, I'll go eat our fermented vegetables.
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  Donna Gates: And so.
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  Donna Gates: So when I hear people say, don't eat fermented foods, I think that is such a shallow understanding of they shouldn't say that.
• 20:08
  Donna Gates: In other words, it's wrong.
• 20:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Hey, guys, just a quick interruption to remind you if you're looking for products or services that are curated especially to optimal health, especially for the gut or for fertility, you can check out everything@doctor Jill health.com.
• 20:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Some of the ones I want to be sure and mention on this show are our probiotic with sakuro.
• 20:28
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: That's a really powerful, great preconception probiotic that has all the great strains we discussed in the show and Saccharomyces boulardi, which can be helpful if you have a yeast overgrowth or imbalance in the microbiome.
• 20:41
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: We also have things like gut calm powder and spore probiotic with immunoglobulins and many other products and services to support your gut.
• 20:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: You can find them all@drjillhealth.com okay, let's get back to our show.
• 20:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I agree to what?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And totally love that you're saying that because a lot of my patients have histamine issues.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And I've been one to say be very cautious.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I do think the thing with doing it yourself and making sure if you have the bacteria like Lactobacillus plantarum and you're growing from there, powerful.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But if you get yeast in there, I think that is not true because Saccharomyces cerve seed does create histamine.
• 21:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And often these wild strains on someone's countertop, if they're not careful, contain wild yeast.
• 21:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And that is a problem for histamine people.
• 21:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So I was going to be really careful because if it contains like kombucha, I do not recommend for patients with histamine because that's going to be an issue.
• 21:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And they what happens is if you're growing it in your counter and you don't know what you're putting in as a starter, which like yours is excellent, they can get these wild strains that they're not unless they're sending them to a university to test.
• 21:41
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And so I would caution you, if you're listening out there, you need to know what you're doing.
• 21:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: You need to make it from like Donna's protocol or someone who knows what they're doing and make sure you're not getting wild strains that could increase.
• 21:53
  Donna Gates: Well, you know, I've said that for years.
• 21:54
  Donna Gates: Don't do kombucha.
• 21:55
  Donna Gates: It's wild.
• 21:56
  Donna Gates: Don't do wine and beer.
• 21:58
  Donna Gates: Yes, it's wild.
• 21:59
  Donna Gates: And of course, I've been criticized by the kombucha people for that.
• 22:03
  Donna Gates: But it's true.
• 22:04
  Donna Gates: You don't want.
• 22:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: There's a difference in this.
• 22:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So it's just so great because there are ones that you can use, which is so powerful.
• 22:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: The one thing I loved and I want to talk about toxicity, but because my listeners know I love to talk about mold and environmental toxic load.
• 22:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And I think this might be one of the most important thing for epigenetic tagging for parents, because we live in this toxic world, we're all overload and the amount of toxins in our environment are increasing.
• 22:27
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Especially problematic.
• 22:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Our pfas, the polyfluorinated compounds, the plastics, the organophosphates, including glyphosate, which is an herbicide, but I consider it in that class.
• 22:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And then mold and mycotoxins.
• 22:39
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And one thing, I love that you mentioned pectisol.
• 22:42
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I'm a huge fan of pectisol.
• 22:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: The dab.
• 22:44
  Donna Gates: Yeah.
• 22:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So astounding.
• 22:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I do the same thing.
• 22:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I put a scoop every day in my morning drink.
• 22:49
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And it's a powerful toxin binder.
• 22:52
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So is, you know, clay and chlorella and charcoal.
• 22:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: There's many things people can use.
• 22:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But what other practical things could people do to reduce their toxic load if they're going to conceive or what need to conceive?
• 23:04
  Donna Gates: Well, I have a preconception checklist, so anybody can go to the website and just download it.
• 23:10
  Donna Gates: But here's what it says.
• 23:12
  Donna Gates: Optimize nutrition.
• 23:14
  Donna Gates: And you definitely want to have folate rich vegetables like leafy greens and everything.
• 23:20
  Donna Gates: And I also think it's a really smart idea to go to one of these companies that are testing your genes because you want certain genes like pemf.
• 23:30
  Donna Gates: You know, I worked with a woman and her PEMF was terrible.
• 23:35
  Donna Gates: And she kept wanting, calling me and getting help with having babies.
• 23:39
  Donna Gates: And she did.
• 23:39
  Donna Gates: She had two sets of twins and a little boy, but which I was kind of against because I thought that was a bit much.
• 23:47
  Donna Gates: Between each child, you lose a lot of nutrients and you need to replete those.
• 23:53
  Donna Gates: That's another important thing too.
• 23:56
  Donna Gates: I have a whole list of things to help optimize nutrition.
• 24:00
  Donna Gates: And then avoid the refined seed oils, for example.
• 24:04
  Donna Gates: But avocado olive oil, avocado, coconut and MCT oil are all good ones to use.
• 24:12
  Donna Gates: But then, and very importantly, you want to have a healthy gut.
• 24:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yes, let's talk about that.
• 24:19
  Donna Gates: I would talk about that.
• 24:21
  Donna Gates: So you don't want to kill the microbiome, first of all.
• 24:23
  Donna Gates: So avoid obviously medicines and antibiotic and all that.
• 24:27
  Donna Gates: Do that.
• 24:28
  Donna Gates: And you want to add the fermented foods.
• 24:31
  Donna Gates: But I also believe that you should take some probiotics.
• 24:35
  Donna Gates: Saccharomyces boulardi is a yeast that's really beneficial.
• 24:39
  Donna Gates: But my favorite without any doubt is Bifidus.
• 24:43
  Donna Gates: And when, you know, I used to wonder, okay, when a baby's born, why is it that Bifidus is the most important bacteria, it's prevalent and is the main bacteria in a newborn's gut.
• 24:56
  Donna Gates: So I wondered that for years.
• 24:57
  Donna Gates: And then finally, I found research that answered my question.
• 25:01
  Donna Gates: For one thing, Bifidus is excellent at sealing up the gut lining of the baby when he's born.
• 25:09
  Donna Gates: So babies are born with a leaky gut.
• 25:11
  Donna Gates: That's a good thing because they're going to be having colostrum, and the colostrum is a big molecule, and it's got to get through that gut lining and out into the body to protect the baby.
• 25:21
  Donna Gates: That's extremely important.
• 25:22
  Donna Gates: But then it's supposed to seal back up again.
• 25:24
  Donna Gates: And Bifidus will do that.
• 25:26
  Donna Gates: Bifidis also has a very calming.
• 25:30
  Donna Gates: Like the message it sends to the immune system is to be calm.
• 25:35
  Donna Gates: And I'd really like to talk about the immune system.
• 25:37
  Donna Gates: I've got a lot of interesting information about that.
• 25:40
  Donna Gates: But you want to balance your hormones.
• 25:43
  Donna Gates: Absolutely important that you have enough progesterone, your estrogen is good.
• 25:48
  Donna Gates: And then you want to be very well hydrated, but you want to.
• 25:56
  Donna Gates: I think some of the most important lab testing, functional lab testing people can do, is get a micronutrient panel to find out are you deficient in B vitamins and zinc.
• 26:06
  Donna Gates: And the.
• 26:07
  Donna Gates: So glad you said that about the mitochondria.
• 26:09
  Donna Gates: You want to definitely check your thyroid.
• 26:12
  Donna Gates: That I have literally seen women have a miscarriage because they didn't check their thyroid.
• 26:17
  Donna Gates: And when they.
• 26:18
  Donna Gates: I mean, I had them check their thyroid was too late.
• 26:21
  Donna Gates: And there's.
• 26:22
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Let me.
• 26:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: That's so important.
• 26:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I want to just comment because I would say I've had a dozen women who.
• 26:27
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: The very first thing we do, we're talking about fertility.
• 26:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: They want to get pregnant in the next six months.
• 26:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I check thyroid, and here it is subclinical, which means above 3 TSH, 3.2, 3.5, 4.0.
• 26:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: In a conventional lab, that won't even flag.
• 26:41
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But I know to have optimal fertility, that needs to below 3, sometimes even below 2.
• 26:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And after trying to conceive for quite a while, we get that thyroid a little bit, that TSH in the normal range, and they conceive immediately.
• 26:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And I've seen it over and over again.
• 26:56
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So that.
• 26:56
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Where.
• 26:56
  Donna Gates: That's almost so good.
• 26:58
  Donna Gates: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:59
  Donna Gates: No, I've literally seen women shocked because they got pregnant, they were excited, and then they lost the baby.
• 27:05
  Donna Gates: And then we started checking and testing and their thyroid was the cause.
• 27:09
  Donna Gates: But, you know, something interesting, and I feel like recently one of your podcasts, this came up, but, you know, a lot of people have had Covid and the SARS virus and then it released these infections in the Body like Epstein Barr.
• 27:24
  Donna Gates: So both Epstein Barr and Herpes, age number six, Herpes six, get into the thyroid and they weaken it.
• 27:35
  Donna Gates: So it may be.
• 27:36
  Donna Gates: This is.
• 27:37
  Donna Gates: Dr. Raphael Kelman, wrote a book on this.
• 27:39
  Donna Gates: But you know, people go and they get tested and they have low thyroid and the doctor just immediately says, well, let's give you this.
• 27:47
  Donna Gates: Thyroid medication doesn't really help that much because that's not really the cause of the low thyroid.
• 27:53
  Donna Gates: So I'm a big believer that people getting tested for these infections.
• 28:00
  Donna Gates: Say that again.
• 28:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I couldn't agree more.
• 28:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah.
• 28:02
  Donna Gates: Oh.
• 28:02
  Donna Gates: And so I, you know, had Covid and was really sick.
• 28:08
  Donna Gates: But what was interesting to me was all the residual infections that I had came out, like Epstein Barr and Candida, for example, which I hadn't dealt with in years, but I knew what to do.
• 28:22
  Donna Gates: And actually I just put a book up on kind on viruses.
• 28:26
  Donna Gates: It's called Taming the Drag.
• 28:28
  Donna Gates: And I've been working on this for years because when I wrote the Body Ecology diet, which is a diet for people with yeast infections, very effective, I realized viral infections are different.
• 28:42
  Donna Gates: And no one ever tells anyone this.
• 28:45
  Donna Gates: It's not the same diet as you would follow to get rid of a yeast infection or to bring it down under control.
• 28:52
  Donna Gates: The antiviral diet, which is what the book is about, and the book is called Taming the Drug because I see viruses as like a dragon, you know, fire breathing, causing inflammation.
• 29:04
  Donna Gates: And there's a way to eat and foods to avoid, to get that virus back into its cave.
• 29:11
  Donna Gates: Like.
• 29:11
  Donna Gates: Yeah, I explained actually that's really important.
• 29:14
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Let's stop there really quickly because I've been treating Covid for a long time and what we see is post Covid is almost an immunocompromised state.
• 29:22
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So the T cells that should be keeping viruses in check.
• 29:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So we all have old chickenpox virus, old Epstein Barr from college days or old hsv, cold sore or any number of viruses.
• 29:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: They're dormant by our immune system.
• 29:35
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So a healthy, strong system keeps them kind of like, so they keep it down.
• 29:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I say it's like, you know, keep them in check.
• 29:40
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And then very many people post Covid that keep it in check part of the immune system, the T cells are diminished or impaired because they're either retained macrophages with spike protein or other reasons.
• 29:52
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And so it's almost this dysfunctional immune system.
• 29:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So just like you said, we've talked to Amy Prowl, we talked to multiple researchers on the podcast and what we've measured is reactivation of Epstein Barr HHV6, HSV1 and 2 and tick borne infections like you mentioned, Lyme, Bartonella, Babesia and many others.
• 30:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And so post Covid, many people are suffering from symptoms, have these, it's like whack a mole.
• 30:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: They pop up these old infections and then they cause inflammation, autoimmunity and just.
• 30:20
  Donna Gates: What you're describing, you know, thank God I keep adding that it's so much better when you do.
• 30:27
  Donna Gates: So I have a friend and she's a doctor, but like a nurse type of a PhD doctor.
• 30:35
  Donna Gates: But she specialists is in Lyme.
• 30:37
  Donna Gates: And so I went to her because I was having this weird, you know, kind of like bumps, nodules on my, in my skin, on my legs.
• 30:46
  Donna Gates: And so I said, I don't understand what's going on.
• 30:48
  Donna Gates: And she said, I test you for Lyme.
• 30:51
  Donna Gates: And I said that's a waste of time and money because I don't camp.
• 30:57
  Donna Gates: You know, I, I'm sure I don't have lime.
• 30:59
  Donna Gates: I don't like go out into the woods or anything, but at least now.
• 31:02
  Donna Gates: But anyway, sure enough I came back with Borrelia and Martinella.
• 31:07
  Donna Gates: So that was a surprise.
• 31:09
  Donna Gates: But it also made me start learning about Lyme, which I really didn't know all that much about.
• 31:13
  Donna Gates: I thought that was what other people had.
• 31:15
  Donna Gates: But it is transferred if you have a Lyme disease.
• 31:19
  Donna Gates: And I now believe many millions do.
• 31:24
  Donna Gates: And I think you should be tested for that.
• 31:26
  Donna Gates: Because Lyme is one of the infections that is passed on to the baby.
• 31:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yes, yes.
• 31:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: We actually got a lot of, for treating patients and they want to have fertility, especially Lyme and Bartonella.
• 31:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So Borrelia, Bartonella, others too.
• 31:39
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But these are two particular ones, the ones that you mentioned, that we actually make sure they're not in active state before you conceive because we see really much more severe infections when they're congenital to the baby.
• 31:51
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So I really love the image.
• 31:52
  Donna Gates: Yeah, thanks for saying that.
• 31:54
  Donna Gates: That's great.
• 31:55
  Donna Gates: So you do want to have balanced hormones.
• 31:56
  Donna Gates: You want to hydrate.
• 31:57
  Donna Gates: You know, the baby is largely water at the beginning of his life.
• 32:01
  Donna Gates: So drink water.
• 32:02
  Donna Gates: But they need to have minerals in them, electrolytes.
• 32:05
  Donna Gates: Yeah, Actually I like to study the egg.
• 32:08
  Donna Gates: And the egg is in a sack and that whole entire sac is full of water, like it's surrounded by water.
• 32:16
  Donna Gates: So hydrate for sure.
• 32:18
  Donna Gates: So the lab test that I think everybody should get is heavy metals.
• 32:22
  Donna Gates: I think they should have a GI map microbiome panel.
• 32:26
  Donna Gates: The genes for SNPs, especially MTHFR and PEMT because, well, I had a woman call me and they've been trying for just three months to have a baby.
• 32:37
  Donna Gates: So she emailed and she said we can't get pregnant and oh, actually it was longer than three months.
• 32:42
  Donna Gates: But, but I happened to have her genes because I was really into nutritional genetics for a couple years and I had genes of friends and family members.
• 32:52
  Donna Gates: So I looked at hers and it was amazing how many snips she had in the genes that are for like omega 3s, basically.
• 33:03
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah.
• 33:03
  Donna Gates: And I said, gosh, you know, are you taking in fish oil or eating things like sardines and all?
• 33:10
  Donna Gates: And she said, no, I never do that.
• 33:13
  Donna Gates: Well, three months later she emailed me to say they were pregnant because she started doing that and her genes were quite healthy.
• 33:20
  Donna Gates: It was just a big problem with the Omega 3s.
• 33:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So important.
• 33:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I want to just mention two little things on that are really critical.
• 33:28
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I couldn't agree more.
• 33:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: There's a test called Omega Quant.
• 33:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Very simple, inexpensive, you can order it online that if you just want to check Omega 3, I often do it as part of a panel of like Genova, nutrival or others.
• 33:39
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But if you wanted to order that directly, there is a direct consumer.
• 33:43
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And then second, with conception, you want to eat these small.
• 33:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: You mentioned sardines or things that are less mercury because obviously mercury you don't want to do.
• 33:53
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So swordfish and shark and some of the very large tuna that are not, you know, mercury free can be really problematic because you eat those frequently and then you get mercury.
• 34:02
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So just think about the smaller white fish, the smaller things like sardines, all really safe, really powerful ways to get those.
• 34:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And then you can always take a really clean purified Omega 3 supplement as well.
• 34:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And I think that's a powerful thing.
• 34:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Before you conceive.
• 34:18
  Donna Gates: That's great that you said that.
• 34:19
  Donna Gates: I actually think that the food is an even better way.
• 34:23
  Donna Gates: At least three times a week I, I have a little can of sardines or wild mackerel.
• 34:29
  Donna Gates: But let's see, I'm trying to think of the name of it.
• 34:32
  Donna Gates: There's a company, Vital Choice.
• 34:35
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yes.
• 34:35
  Donna Gates: They make these, a can of these tiny little tunas because usually you want to avoid tuna because it is a source of mercury.
• 34:42
  Donna Gates: But what they do is they have a fisherman who gets this tight, the tiny little tuna and they put those into a can called Ventresca, which is Italian.
• 34:52
  Donna Gates: They're delicious.
• 34:53
  Donna Gates: And Randy, the owner told me one time that three cans of that completely satisfies all your need for omega 3s.
• 35:03
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Wow.
• 35:03
  Donna Gates: So I did those.
• 35:04
  Donna Gates: And sometimes you can't get it because they're out.
• 35:07
  Donna Gates: But that's a great thing to do.
• 35:09
  Donna Gates: But then sardines are wonderful.
• 35:10
  Donna Gates: And people might say, well, I don't think I could eat sardines.
• 35:13
  Donna Gates: They don't taste good.
• 35:14
  Donna Gates: But actually they do.
• 35:16
  Donna Gates: And they grow on you too.
• 35:17
  Donna Gates: Yeah.
• 35:18
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I'll tell you one of my favorite.
• 35:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: When I get home from a long day of work and I'm exhausted and just starving hungry, my favorite little thing to do is take a can of mercury free tuna and throw it on top of just pure sprouts.
• 35:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: All the different kinds of sprouts.
• 35:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: The greens.
• 35:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It's not just like.
• 35:33
  Donna Gates: I do that too.
• 35:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah.
• 35:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And then I throw in a little bit of.
• 35:35
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It's avocado based Greek dressing.
• 35:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Just a little sprinkle in there.
• 35:40
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And that is my dinner.
• 35:42
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And I love it.
• 35:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So good.
• 35:44
  Donna Gates: Yeah.
• 35:44
  Donna Gates: And you know, if it's your dinner and it's light, it's a light meal.
• 35:49
  Donna Gates: It's better for us because we get reflux if too much food is in our stomach.
• 35:54
  Donna Gates: You know, I do exactly the same thing here at my Whole Foods.
• 35:58
  Donna Gates: There's a company called Arrow Farms and they have these wonderful sprouts like micro broccoli and micro bok choy.
• 36:06
  Donna Gates: So always buy trays of those.
• 36:07
  Donna Gates: And I'll put that in a bowl, put the fish on top of that.
• 36:11
  Donna Gates: I love it.
• 36:12
  Donna Gates: I like.
• 36:12
  Donna Gates: Oh, isn't it so salad dressing.
• 36:14
  Donna Gates: And just a whole meal.
• 36:15
  Donna Gates: It's a perfect fermented vegetables, which makes this fish taste better.
• 36:20
  Donna Gates: And then.
• 36:21
  Donna Gates: And it's so simple.
• 36:22
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I can do it in like three minutes, right?
• 36:24
  Donna Gates: Yeah, exactly.
• 36:24
  Donna Gates: Which some energy for at the end of the day.
• 36:27
  Donna Gates: But the other thing is I like primal.
• 36:30
  Donna Gates: I think it's primal kitchen salad dressings.
• 36:33
  Donna Gates: My.
• 36:33
  Donna Gates: One of my favorites is the ranch.
• 36:35
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah.
• 36:36
  Donna Gates: And then I also like their lime one with lime in it.
• 36:39
  Donna Gates: So that's sweeter.
• 36:40
  Donna Gates: And so I often put the ranch dressing on too.
• 36:43
  Donna Gates: Or just a whole bunch of olive oil because I'm half Italian.
• 36:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Oh, I'm getting hungry.
• 36:48
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And you know what's funny?
• 36:49
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: The primal one is the exact one.
• 36:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It's.
• 36:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It's called the Greek one that I love for this whole recipe.
• 36:53
  Donna Gates: I like the Greek one.
• 36:53
  Donna Gates: Yeah.
• 36:54
  Donna Gates: I want that one to get one anyway.
• 36:57
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Good.
• 36:57
  Donna Gates: So there's a whole bunch of excellent things to do that are actually very simple.
• 37:02
  Donna Gates: But what you don't want to do is, you know, eat the processed foods that everybody's eating.
• 37:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah.
• 37:07
  Donna Gates: So then you wonder if people are eating that way and they lack nutrients and then they get pregnant and these new tags are being put.
• 37:17
  Donna Gates: Put on the jeans, you know you're going to get.
• 37:20
  Donna Gates: And also, this isn't just.
• 37:21
  Donna Gates: Just now.
• 37:22
  Donna Gates: I mean, each generation has been getting weaker.
• 37:25
  Donna Gates: It's even said that this particular generation won't even live as long as our parents.
• 37:29
  Donna Gates: So we have to turn this around.
• 37:31
  Donna Gates: And one of the things I'm become really passionate about, I think it had a lot to do with me finding the energy to get well, because I was so amazed at how sick I was from the COVID but is I wanted to get this message out into the world because it can turn everything around just by doing this.
• 37:50
  Donna Gates: And so that means creating a group of parents, many of them a whole generation of parents that want to have a baby, or like you said, a grandmother who wants to have healthy grandchildren or a woman that's already started a family, has a little one, and now she wants to have a.
• 38:06
  Donna Gates: She's thinking about having another one.
• 38:08
  Donna Gates: There's time to prepare her body to conceive that child.
• 38:12
  Donna Gates: And again, like I said, the dads, we can't just let the dad get off.
• 38:18
  Donna Gates: His sperm needs to be healthy.
• 38:21
  Donna Gates: And he is very much involved in creating the immune system, especially in the brain, but also the placenta.
• 38:28
  Donna Gates: I mean, the mother contributes some genes too, to make the placenta, but the dad's especially responsible for the placenta.
• 38:34
  Donna Gates: And the placenta is this organ that only happens when we're pregnant, comes to protect the baby.
• 38:41
  Donna Gates: So it's nourishing the baby and protecting it from infections because the baby's inside the womb.
• 38:48
  Donna Gates: And I always thought everybody thinks that the immune system of the baby starts when they're born and they pass through the birth canal.
• 38:57
  Donna Gates: They picked up all these microbes in the gut, in the baby's gut, on his skin and everything, and that's the beginning of his immune system.
• 39:05
  Donna Gates: But what I uncovered and stumbled upon is that the baby has a completely formed immune system in the womb.
• 39:15
  Donna Gates: Nobody ever talks about that.
• 39:17
  Donna Gates: But everything that the immune system needs, the T cells, the B cells, everything that is part of an immune system is there in the baby before it's even born.
• 39:28
  Donna Gates: This caught me thinking, the concept of a vaccination is that years ago, Jenner vaccinated this little boy who was 10 or so.
• 39:37
  Donna Gates: He grew up in a farm in a strong immune system.
• 39:42
  Donna Gates: When the COP virus was put in him, he got sick for one day, literally got an infection or a fever, and then the next day he was fine.
• 39:52
  Donna Gates: Jenner then got very active about promoting the concept of vaccination.
• 39:58
  Donna Gates: Here we are today.
• 39:59
  Donna Gates: But vaccination isn't new.
• 40:01
  Donna Gates: Even the Egyptians were doing it and royal families were doing it.
• 40:05
  Donna Gates: So it's an old concept.
• 40:08
  Donna Gates: But the thing is, I think it's time to rethink it because if we knew that there's an immune system in the baby ready to go as soon as it comes out, it's a quiet immune system.
• 40:18
  Donna Gates: It's not the immune system of a warrior because you don't have that inflammation happening in the womb because then the baby couldn't develop normally.
• 40:29
  Donna Gates: So it's a quiet immune system, but it's being trained and educated.
• 40:35
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Your 0 to 2 are the training of the immune system.
• 40:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And some of these mothers who maybe have antiseptics and sterile things and they don't like really, truly having those young children maybe have, you know, carrot juice from the garden.
• 40:49
  Donna Gates: That's.
• 40:50
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So it's these like the trained immune system actually has to encounter things in the environment in order to know what to do.
• 40:56
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So the more if a baby's born in a bubble and never gets home exposed, they will have a very weak immune system.
• 41:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So these are actually critical for the learning of that weak.
• 41:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: That baby's immune system.
• 41:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Not weak, just, you know, less aggressive.
• 41:10
  Donna Gates: And another thing parents aren't told about is when the baby does come out, they're covered in this kind of coated Vernix, it's called.
• 41:18
  Donna Gates: You don't want to wash that off.
• 41:19
  Donna Gates: That actually an important part of educating the immune system and developing properly and all too.
• 41:25
  Donna Gates: So there's a lot of things we're doing wrong.
• 41:27
  Donna Gates: But if you, if people could be focused on this and be taught, they wouldn't be so worried about rushing their baby to get a vaccination.
• 41:37
  Donna Gates: If our scientists could start to think differently and say, hey, what can we do to build upon when nature has already got started here and they come out with an immune system?
• 41:47
  Donna Gates: What can we do to get that going stronger then as they develop?
• 41:53
  Donna Gates: What can we do to not interrupt it with.
• 41:55
  Donna Gates: With medicine like antibiotics and all?
• 41:59
  Donna Gates: We need to change our thinking.
• 42:02
  Donna Gates: But it's actually right now, parents do vaccinate because they're fearful, but nature's got a lot of things going to protect the newborn baby.
• 42:13
  Donna Gates: And I think the epigenetic reset concept is pure a sign that nature wants this next generation to be safe and protected and healthy.
• 42:27
  Donna Gates: So it wipes all those tags off for a week and then, you know, Nature's doing everything to protect us.
• 42:33
  Donna Gates: We're the ones that get in the way.
• 42:35
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Oh, this is done.
• 42:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And this is so such good information for parents or grandparents or anyone in this world, because, you know, children, we want to be healthy and happy wherever we are in that process.
• 42:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I'm just really grateful for your work and your study of this and bringing it to the public.
• 42:51
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: If people want to find out more about you or what you've written about this, where can they find this information?
• 42:57
  Donna Gates: Yeah, just go to bodyecology.com and at least download the checklist.
• 43:02
  Donna Gates: Of course, we have products, and they're very much focused on the microbiome and the gut and everything.
• 43:06
  Donna Gates: We have probiotics.
• 43:08
  Donna Gates: But, you know, just like I said, I'm a big believer in food, that you can do so much with food.
• 43:14
  Donna Gates: So if that's all you can do and all you can afford is start there.
• 43:19
  Donna Gates: And I'm really grateful, Jill, that you had me on, because I've been wanting so badly to get this information out in the world.
• 43:26
  Donna Gates: I'm hoping parents see the potential here to change the direction our children are going.
• 43:32
  Donna Gates: We can totally turn this around.
• 43:33
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I believe that with all my heart.
• 43:35
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And like I said, that's why I love your work, because it really does start with the children or the health of future generations.
• 43:41
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And we have to be cognizant that we're living in this toxic world that, again, a lot of overuse of antibiotics and medications.
• 43:48
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And if we don't change that way, we think our whole future generations are at risk.
• 43:53
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So thank you.
• 43:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Thank you for the work.
• 43:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Thank you for bringing it.
• 43:56
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Thank you for connecting with me.
• 43:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It's always so great to talk.
• 44:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: If you're listening, in the show notes, we'll have all the resources, Body Ecology, and everything that Donna has shared, including the checklist.
• 44:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: You can get that, just check the link below.
• 44:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And Donna, just thank for.
• 44:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Thanks for your beauty and grace and information for the world.
• 44:14
  Donna Gates: Oh, thank you.
• 44:15
  Donna Gates: That's a wonderful compliment and so grateful for this.
• 44:18
  Donna Gates: Joe, thank you so much.
• 44:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Hey, guys.
• 44:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Hope you enjoyed that episode with Donna Gates of Body Ecology.
• 44:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: She's been around doing incredible things with gut health for many years.
• 44:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Really a mainstay of how to reverse some of the microbiome issues in the gut for many years with my patients.
• 44:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And now today, of course, we talk about epigenetic tagging and the profound effect on the unborn child.
• 44:43
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So I hope that was helpful for you.
• 44:45
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• 44:50
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• 45:04
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