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Episode 141: Artificial stupidity. · WASD and Beyond

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Hello everybody. He spit.
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Welcome back to our episode the WASD and Beyond Podcast.
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I'm your host, Nick. Accompanying me is Evan and
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Logan, surprise guest. Not really a surprise.
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You hop on. It's been a minutes since you've
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been on, but you Logan just took like a huge dab, I think, and
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he's dying. I saw Drew up all out of his
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mouth. But you're right, buddy.
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Oh, yeah. Alright, there we are.
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There we are. Fucking Evans got bourbon,
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Logan's got some weed and I have look.
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No, I don't have. I don't have bourbon.
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I wish I did. I got rum.
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What do you got? I got rum.
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Did you? Oh, did that come through?
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No, no, I didn't hear you may. It probably did for the
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listeners. What?
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What rum are you drinking? Why are you drinking rum?
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Because I was playing Sea of Thieves earlier and I was in the
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mood. I fucking hate you.
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Let's get into the spot played. That shit for like literally 8
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minutes, bro. I'm not gonna Logan's right, I
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just. Say all in that direction.
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And then I decided to stop. Responded much more than.
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That tried to convince all of us to play.
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Yeah, no one fucking no one took the bait and she just drove.
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He just drove into a storm and goes.
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I wonder what will happen to go, oh, probably the same thing and
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see if they've nothing. Guess what?
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Nothing happened. The bait was not taken.
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So I said, OK, that's fine. And then I stopped playing.
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Oh my God. We proceeded, Logan and Noah and
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I proceeded to play Chivalry, get really mad at that, and then
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stop playing that as well. Sounds about right.
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Have a great time. Now we're going to This is
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surprise episode. I didn't tell Evan or and Evan
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dragged Logan into this episode. Surprisingly to me, I just we
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were about to record and I see Logan pop and I'm like, OK, here
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we go. But Evan has no idea what the
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episode's about. Now it is low.
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Yep, no clue. I want to lead into it like
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this, and I know Logan's be like we've heard about this all week
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from Evan. Oh, great, but.
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Oh great. Can you tell everybody what you
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thought about Oppenheimer and Barbie really quick?
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Cuz I'm gonna go see it I. I hope time out before before
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you get into it. Short, sweet, concise because we
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are reviewing these movies. Don't you like that, listeners
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that he's gotta, he's gotta manage my level of.
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Oh, you can't follow him. You can't follow him.
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Come. On I can't follow him cuz I
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would I could talk about it for for.
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Get into it, big dog. Come on.
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He asked for Oppenheimer and Barbie.
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Barbie was really good, I will say off of Thursday night,
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viewing packed audience, which was really sweet, a lot of pink.
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Everybody was wearing pink, both in the like lobby area as well
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as behind the counter, which is a really cool thing to see.
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So like just that was already kind of getting everybody a bit
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more excited. You know, it's like an event
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almost. You don't know anybody there
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other than who you've gone with maybe.
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So that was really cool. The movie was great.
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It's a little less than two hours long.
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Obviously going to shout out Margot Robbie and Ryan Gosling
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and America Ferrera especially for acting stuff.
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They did all. They all did great, especially
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America as well as Margot. Ryan Gosling was really good for
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everything he did as well, but like just Margot and America had
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pretty decent monologues as well that were pretty sweet.
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It was really funny and it poked a lot of fun at like pop culture
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and just yeah, like it was very self aware and but also not, not
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preachy if that makes sense. Like it wasn't preaching to the
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choir. It wasn't a whole diatribe of a
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whole bunch of stuff that kind of just made you go, all right,
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we get it right, But it was like, it was fun.
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It was light, it was happy, it was funny, and it was it was
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emotional in ways that you didn't expect, which is really
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good. Oppenheimer is an intense 3
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hour. You could call it an action
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movie, a drama or a thriller in in multiple different ways like
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it. It just I said this to Nick and
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I said this to a lot of other people in the discord, the spawn
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camp discord that you should join that there's music playing
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throughout most of the movie. So nothing, nothing feels like
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there's this. Like there are moments where
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there's no music to emphasize drama and certain dialogue.
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But even where there's conversations that are really
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important, there's music playing almost to heighten the sense of
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urgency and realizing that this is a race, This isn't something
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we're like. Nobody else is trying to get to
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this bomb first, right? They they understand that this
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is important and that their work every day matters.
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So it was really good. I will say the bomb itself is
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really impressive. Unlike some people in the
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discord who didn't think it was that impressive Noah, this is my
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second time calling you out our graphic designer.
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And but it's what's check him out, It's with love.
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It's with love. I'm not.
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I'm not shitting on him. Absolutely not.
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But he did not find it as exciting as I did.
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I really liked the explosion. I thought they did again.
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You know who else didn't find it?
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Like they liked it, but they were like, it was cool.
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Scott Miller. Yeah, I saw, Scott said eight
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out of 10 I think on on one of the tweets you made.
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Yeah, I loved the explosion. I thought it was really good.
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But I I get it. My dad said the same thing where
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he he had hoped for like an overhead shot, so kind of a
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spill that that's not really there.
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But I get why I don't think it's as important.
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The best thing that you could really show for an explosion
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like that in the desert is that they did say that because of the
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immense heat when they blew up Trinity.
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That it turned the sand into glass, which I think would have
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been kind of cool to show, but I don't know how you would have
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done fucking metal, dude. But aside from the explosion and
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just the overall story, I'm shouting out Emily Blunt.
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That was pretty. She did great, especially during
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a certain couple of scenes. She was fantastic.
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Obviously Killian playing Oppenheimer.
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Nick and I obviously love him from Peaky Blinders, so to see
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him take on a leading man role for a movie like this is really
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cool. And a secret sleeper hit was
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Robert Downey Junior. Absolutely fantastic.
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Every single scene he's in, you are watching him.
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Like even if there's Killian or other people in the movie,
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you're honestly paying attention to our DJ.
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He's just so good. He did.
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Everything he does is great. The cast itself is stacked.
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You can tell everybody brought their A game.
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I'd say honestly, if I had to give a shorthand review just off
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of those. Barbie gets a a 10 out of 10 and
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Oppenheimer gets like a 20 out of 10.
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Like Oppenheimer is going to be one of those movies where it is.
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It is just talked about because it's just so good.
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It's Christopher Nolan's first biopic.
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So for him to portray, did he see him portray a a real person
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since most of his movies are fictional or just they're off of
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previous media To see him portray a real human and that
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story is really interesting. It's very Nolanesque.
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You know, it's very almost. Some people criticize Nolan for
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being very mathematical or cold, but I feel like you got to
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search a little bit for the deeper meaning of what he's
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trying to say. I will say that Oppenheimer has
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probably one of the best endings to a movie I've seen this year
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or last. It is incredibly selfaware, in
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some senses incredibly good at like, almost like a warning.
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Also Albert Einstein, the secret MCU, like Marvel Cinematic
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Universe cameo. Love seeing, love seeing him
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show up. But no, even the actor who plays
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Albert Einstein, Tom Conti, is fantastic.
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It's cool to see all these people that you hear of in
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science, right? You hear of Oppenheimer, you
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hear of Einstein, you hear of Heisenberg, as well as like
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Fermi and a lot of other scientists, really famous people
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for things that are referenced nowadays.
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Really cool to kind of see that, like almost in a really, I I
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guess, cringy way, like seeing the SCU, the science cinematic
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universe, really. You have all these really famous
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people in one movie. So that was really good.
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But yeah, like I said, there are a lot of great performances in
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the movie itself is just fantastic and very, very cool.
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And to see that there's no CGI involved is a welcome addition
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to things like, you know. Secret Invasion or Doctor
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Strange or any Marvel or DC product recently that is not
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very good with their CGI. So to see a movie that has
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nothing and everything is shot, you know, in camera and just
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with certain tricks is always really nice.
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I think that'll impress people once they see the movie itself.
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Saying that there's no CGI. But yeah, I I give them both 10s
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if I had to give them on just the scale, but if I really could
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go above and beyond, honestly. Harvey and Oppenheimer both get
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extremely great ratings for me. I love them.
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But yeah, sorry, we've taken up too much of your time with
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those. This isn't even the topic.
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Get to the secret. Yeah, it's part of the topic.
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Well, I bring that up and I wanted your opinion because SAG,
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AFTRA and the WGA are going on strike.
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They are on strike right now and they are really fucking trying
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to stick it to the CEO's, the studios and all that.
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Yeah, and there was one piece of discussion about the strike that
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really struck A chord with me. It all struck A chord with me.
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But something I've really started to think about.
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Will this translate to video games?
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Right. And more importantly, the A I
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aspect of OK instead of writers, instead of actors, instead of
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people see actually using their talents for CGI, using their
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talents for special effects, Could we replace these humans
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who do this with AI? So I was thinking, could this
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happen in video games? And do people want this in video
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games? Cuz we see examples of AI
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already being used? We have AI upscaling amongst
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other things, right? DLSS Yeah, and that's non
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invasive in my opinion. But the problem I'm starting to
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think right now is if Hollywood is looking at these writers and
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all of these people involved in making film as basically
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nothing, and we can replace you with robots, what's to say that
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can happen in video games? More importantly, what's to say
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that they will start using AI to make video games and?
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One of the things that I just thought of when you brought this
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topic up was not even their writing, but all the people who
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get hired for coding and all of that.
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You can have AI write all that coding and just tell.
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It will tell them what you want. Remove that completely, which is
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a essential part of video game making the core you could even
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say. Did you have something else to
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say? Nick, I thought you were gonna
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continue. I have my own thoughts on just
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the initial response to this, but I don't want to interrupt if
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you had something to say. So my thought I guess would be
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that it is dangerous territory because without the human touch
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in a in a video game, in a movie, in music and any piece of
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art, you lose the connection, right?
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And I, as a gaming podcast and as I mean we we game every day.
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We game every night. My wife hates it, but she she
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loves that I love it. But this is a huge part of my
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life and I would hate to see not only for myself and my own
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selfish reasons, right? Like, I want my games to be
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organic. I don't need a robot or a I
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making my video games. And the bigger thing is I don't
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want to see the people who are so talented.
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Neil Druckman is somebody that just right off the top of my
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head, right, like The Last of Us.
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I would hate to see a Last of Us created by a I, even if it's the
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greatest fucking version of The Last of Us you ever got.
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There's just to know that it was, yeah, to know that it was
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not written by someone. I think that's a big point of
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what you're making is, is that right?
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I think that AI should be used to enhance.
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The experience that humans have already created, you know, So
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great example is right. Human goes through and codes
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this game. They go and design it both with
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art, sound, visuals, everything. And then you go to bug fixes and
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you have the AI do the bug fixing.
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I think that would be even a decent but you also but you also
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if it's used by QA. If it's used like Q A, it
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shouldn't be like the QA is. Cut out, yeah, if no one.
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Because like that's that's my biggest portion of this as well
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as I would hate to see the people who've spent their life
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in the industry get taken complete control over and lose
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their jobs because of technology.
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And I want to see technology further but again losing that
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human touch. I would rather, I would rather
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deal with the games that the in the state they are in today with
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human touch, knowing that hey, there were passionate people on
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this project that fucked up rather than an AI making a
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perfect game every fucking time. Like, I'd rather deal with
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cyberpunk all over again than have an AI make me a cyberpunk
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game. That is just not what it is
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like, yes, cuz I think you lose the human element of a lot of
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things, right? So that's a kind of a good way
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of bringing it up in a sense of. I want humans to create the
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creative, right? I want them to create the
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dialogue, the pacing, the narrative, the.
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I mean shit, some of the more triple-A budget games like Red
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Dead Redemption and Last of Us Part 2 and and other big titles
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like that. They're not recording this where
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people are in a VO booth and then they just kind of implement
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it into the scene. They have people mocapping, so.
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And I think, I think that's important because in a way you
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do have normal filmmaking techniques, right?
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You're blocking, you're you're deciding what you know things
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are going to be in the scene and how it's going to be set up
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visually, how it's going to look.
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And I don't think that AI can do that well.
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And and to anybody who says, well, you know, I've seen edits
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of this that AI has done. Yeah, I've also seen those edits
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too, where they said, you know, this is created by a I and yet
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all the people have it frequently, long fingers and six
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fingers on each hand. So at the end of the day, it
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still can't get the shit right in the 1st place because it's
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not taking into account what you've put in.
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If Nick says I want to build this scene, it's a dirty dive
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bar. There's two guys in it.
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They look like bikers. They got leather jackets on.
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They got, you know, tattoos. They got ponytails.
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And they get into a bar fight and he's visualizing all of it
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in his head. You might just hang out the
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YMCA. I'm just, yeah, you might be
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depends on which one. But then you have AI go and do
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that. And it does it in a completely
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different way because it has to pull, you said leather jackets.
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So what does AI do? It pulls the image of leather
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jackets from thousands of Google images and then compiles it into
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one. And there's no guarantee that
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it's going to look good or bad. And it's probably not going to
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look necessarily terrible. And it's also not going to look
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like the most perfect little jacket.
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It's going to look weird because you're going to, it's taking
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thousands of images of that other jacket and some people
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have leather jackets in this color or that color or who
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knows? And then it.
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Well, it probably pulls so many of the stock photos to where
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it's just white background, right?
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Photoshop lighting like it's going to like like.
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Nick said. It's going to look stair.
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It's going to look unnatural. It's going to look like it was.
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It's going to look like it was taken from, it's going to look
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like it was taken from a photo and you're like, why does that
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look off? It's going to look way too
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everything. Is going to look CGI Cg'd on
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when it shouldn't. Be you know, it's like it's
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taking that idea of that bar fight and let's assume this bar
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fight gets pretty wild and there's whiskey and beer being
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thrown around, right? It's not going to understand.
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How to add those sort of textures to the jackets and to
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the people, right where they've got whiskey on their jackets and
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you see it dripping down or something like that, right?
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It's only going to take the images it understands as being
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leather jackets or being ponytails or being tattoos, and
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it's going to add it to that scene.
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So it's not going to look the same.
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I think that if you were to have humans make that scene and then
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you had a, I take care of the bugs of, say, the ponytail going
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through the leather jacket, right?
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Clipping through it. Yeah, fixing, now you're
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clipping. It should be a symbiotic
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relationship almost where the human is creating it and the AI
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is just touching it up to where it looks good and you see.
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And So what you said right there is perfect because like in every
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video, I don't care what game you're playing, it's every game
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you play. If you are too close to a
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fucking edge of a wall, your shoulder is going through the
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wall. There's been a few in.
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Max Payne 3 is a great example of.
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Max Red Dead 2 has if If you grow your hair too long and
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you're wearing certain jackets your hair clips through the
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jackets clips through AI as a tool could fix that could fix
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that and but that's as far a tool.
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We as a tool, fine, but like to create.
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That's the last thing I'd ever want to see.
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I want to see use as a tool like perfect Logan was Logan said it.
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And now you've said you both have said it.
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Pretty much a tool, right. So like you know the clipping
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issue. Hey, is this accurate, right.
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Like, does this gun actually have this and that you?
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Know it's one that I would really like to see.
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I think a ought to be a great tool for dialogue, and making
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dialogue in video games feel natural.
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A lot of the times we sit there, a lot of the times we sit there
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with text boxes and we click yes, no.
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And there's a preloaded. But could you imagine if you had
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the ability to use your mic and like, let's say GTA, and you're
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walking down the street and you give someone the bird and
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through your mic you say, you know, fuck off.
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And that person actually gives like a verbal response back.
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That's unique, where you go into the gas station and you say put
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your hands up and the AI is registering that.
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And you know what I mean? Like there's so many things you
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can do where you can make that seem very real realistic, which
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I think it's a, again, a tool where they're using a dialogue
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system that they've refined. So obviously they're not saying
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obscenities and they're not screaming like raising.
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Unless it's something that's added into it on purpose, right?
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You know what I mean though. But like, the one thing that
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I've always wanted to have is in games, when you're given a
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character creation and you get to choose a name, but you never
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hear anyone vocally say your name, they're saying every
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other. I've always wanted that as well.
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I think AI would be able to do that because the AI would be
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able to read that name and could make a speech to say that.
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And so you could go up to a character and instead of them
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just being like, you know, text box.
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Hi Logan, thanks for like doing this quest.
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You could hear that verbally and be like, Oh my God, they're
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actually like, talking to me. That's cool as hell.
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That's fair. I have in all the F1 games I've
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played, which has really pissed me off, is that you can choose
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for like your career. You can choose a driver name
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that they call you by, and some of them are kind of cool, like
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Maverick, Iceman, Trinity or a couple.
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Yeah, but you imagine if they said, hey Evan, I need you to
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you know. Here's the here's the thing that
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pissed me off. They've had for the past five
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years that I've played these games.
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They've had my name, but it's Evans with an S.
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Cut off that ass, bro. I'm happy as I'm happy as shit.
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Like, yeah, like that's cool. But I I I at first when Logan
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was talking and he started his. I was.
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I was on the same page as you I think.
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Yeah, because as soon as he said what about dialogue?
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And I was like. Humans create dialogue and then
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you immediately explained like no touching things up and making
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like, so I it's it's. Your name while you're walking
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the city. That's, yeah, that's much
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better, right? At first I was worried for the
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harder place at. First I was worried like you
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meant script and I was like no no no no.
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Like, I need people to do that. Just just stuff to make, just
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stuff to fill in to make that city or that zone feel more
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likely and real. Yeah, because I because they
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don't have the time to record 10,000 lines from.
22:32
NPC people, yeah, other shit going on, like focusing on the
22:35
main and side characters and that's fine, but like give the
22:38
throwaway characters that you're gonna probably end up shooting
22:40
anyway, like just funny dialogue or generated dog that feels
22:44
natural. So I think what you could do
22:46
there is because at the Npc's that you do see in like GTA Red
22:50
Dead or any like. Large scale, Yeah.
22:52
City like my thing that I thought of, Yeah, because
22:55
there's so many interactions you have.
22:56
Like a big sandbox, you do have people recording lines for each.
23:01
Not each, but for Npc's what you could do in that sense is you
23:06
would be able to put that in almost like an API I think like
23:10
this person recorded these lines, but now that it takes
23:14
their voice to say other things and.
23:16
You can, because you'll have every syllable.
23:19
You'll have every syllable of what they've said.
23:22
Yeah, you then they it can it without distorting it.
23:25
It can take in string in an instant.
23:28
That is fine. At first I was with Evan because
23:30
I was like, well you're taking jobs at that point.
23:33
No, it's just a touch up And to your point Nick, Like you could
23:36
do that since where like those main characters, you take all
23:39
their dialogue but you just touch it up where they are able
23:41
now to say your name. So like all their voice lines
23:44
sound the same, but like they change just that quick AI input
23:47
just so it recognizes the username that they chose for
23:49
that more real lived in feeling. And like what you said both of
23:53
you were talking about is how the interesting thing with that
23:57
is you can have it where they say so like they've already
24:01
started doing that with a lot of different voice actors for
24:03
different games, right? So I think of when you guys were
24:05
talking about that kind of I thought of Spiderman.
24:08
Because in Spiderman, in the PlayStation versus Spiderman,
24:10
they didn't record him just saying the normal lines.
24:13
They had him say if he was walking or if he was casually
24:17
swinging versus if he was power swinging and he was like moving
24:20
really fast where he sounded out of breath.
24:22
So we can grab your physicality at that.
24:24
Point as well, they do the same thing and since I've been
24:27
playing Red Dead 2 again recently in the story mode, they
24:29
do that where if if I'm. If Logan and I are, let's say,
24:33
the characters, and we're, you know, trotting together on our
24:35
horses, we talk casually, right? We're not really raising our
24:37
voices. But if Logan rides ahead and I'm
24:41
still continuing dialogue, I start shouting all of a sudden
24:43
because they recorded the actors saying it in different volumes
24:48
and different demeanors, right where they're trying to follow
24:52
along. So they're kind of like panting
24:53
a bit. Spiderman's the same way.
24:55
So you've already kind of started with that.
24:57
And so all you have to do is take the A I and kind of.
25:00
Compile these different these vowels and the way they're
25:03
saying, yeah, I think words. Nick's ideas?
25:06
Like, I like that idea, what I give the voice actors their
25:10
jobs, but just evolve them a little bit after they're done.
25:14
And and to kind of coincide with Nick's original bringing up the
25:17
topic of with SAG AFTRA, they're not saying that a I can't be
25:21
used at all. They're saying we need to define
25:23
what it's going to be used as, how much influence it's going to
25:28
have. If you want to use a I, and you
25:30
want to use it to improve certain things, let's talk about
25:33
what things you want it to improve and how it improves it
25:36
and what cases it's used in. But for instance, if I were a
25:40
voice actor or if I was an actual actor.
25:43
And I was recording things in a studio or somebody invited me in
25:46
and they're like, hey, we're gonna 3D scan you and it will be
25:48
used for whenever. We wanna use it for this thing
25:51
and that. Your voice as well.
25:53
I'm gonna go no, because it's my voice, it's my body.
25:57
It's like a Dave. Chappelski in Perpetuity of the
26:00
Universe, you know. What I don't.
26:02
I don't want you to use my body and my voice for a project
26:05
you're working on that I have had no affiliation with.
26:07
Because, you know, what happens is that people see my voice and
26:10
my face in it and they go, Oh well, Can you believe he shot
26:13
scenes for this terrible movie? And it's like it wasn't me.
26:16
And it was in the sound of freedom.
26:18
I would act no, no way. Somewhere, Jeff just went.
26:26
Absolutely not. I would never want to be
26:28
involved with something like that.
26:29
It's a terrible, terrible film. But like, I just don't.
26:34
I just, yeah, yeah, you got him. But like, that's where I feel is
26:38
like you have. Why do we like art?
26:43
Because people made it. Because somebody, yeah.
26:47
And it's subjective. Somebody created, somebody
26:51
painted Mona Lisa, a person painted that.
26:54
A person painted that portrait. A person sculpted different
26:58
sculptures in like Realm. I can't think of one other time
27:00
I had, I was going to say Michelangelo.
27:01
I don't. I don't know the guy with the
27:02
little Wiener. But like, yeah, they all had him
27:05
because that was a sign of intelligence back then.
27:07
But like, you had the Sistine Chapel, great example.
27:10
A person created hat. A person made that.
27:14
And I think that that's important to hold on to both in
27:18
as Nick said, movies and TV as well as video games, like video
27:22
games have become something more than just video games recently
27:25
because of, as Nick said, like Neil Druckman.
27:28
The Last of Us One and Part 2 weren't just video games with
27:31
decent stories, they had exceptional stories.
27:35
They had a really, I mean it. They took a basic premise,
27:37
right? Like, I mean, I don't like Logan
27:41
and Nick are making faces. They're typing to each other.
27:44
Logan, I'll tell you after the show.
27:46
I don't. Oh great.
27:47
Fantastic. That's great.
27:49
But like, we like well, I know. I can tell.
27:53
But like we like The Last of Us part one because it's a normal
27:57
story, but it's done well. And that's honestly how a lot of
28:01
like great example Logan, the movie with Wolverine is done
28:07
exceptionally well. But it's a pretty common story,
28:09
right? It's it's it's almost like a
28:10
Western. And you take those stories and
28:14
you just have to make them interesting in their own right
28:17
and they become special to people.
28:20
And so for games, that's a pretty, I'd say, recent
28:23
phenomenon where we've decided to take stories and video games
28:26
and make them something more. God of War is a great example
28:29
recently where you. Look at games like Half Life
28:32
and. I was going to say Half Life is
28:33
it, Yeah, Half Life is start, Half Life started.
28:36
That sort of thing, where it was more than just some fun
28:38
gameplay, right? It had a story to it, and it had
28:40
a narrative. God of War, both 2018 and
28:42
Ragnarok had a really great they had great themes and decisions
28:47
made upon them where it was more than just a story or more than
28:50
just a game, where, I mean, a lot of the previous God of Wars
28:53
were pretty simple, right? You were creative as the God of
28:55
War and you demolish people. And then 2018 brought in this
28:59
sense of there's regret to those decisions, there's guilt to
29:03
those decisions and. That's why a lot of movies that
29:07
are renowned now as being fan favorites and being legendary,
29:11
I'm thinking of like Goodfellas and Taxi Driver.
29:14
I'm thinking of some Martin Scorsese flicks.
29:16
The reason that they're so well kept now is because Goodfellas
29:20
is a mob movie. But we're not just watching
29:23
mobsters. We're watching a guy who grew up
29:25
wanting to be one and ended up not wanting to have anything to
29:29
do with it at all and dealing with the guilt and the shame and
29:32
the problems with it. And that's why we relate to it,
29:35
because it felt so natural and that's what games have started
29:40
to become. And it would be really terrible
29:42
to watch a I in a way ruin that if it's not covered correctly.
29:46
And that's like what Nick and Logan and myself I think are
29:49
thinking at the end of this, which is not that it can't be
29:52
used at all, but you can't. You have to regulate it to the
29:55
point where it is. Over something.
29:59
It has to just be like we've all said, it's a tool.
30:04
And a tool is not meant to take over the person wielding it.
30:07
It is like, I think of all the cool stuff it can do, but I
30:09
think of all the stuff it can damage.
30:10
Like I was while we were sitting here with things I thought
30:12
that'd be so cool is you're in GTA and you're getting chased by
30:16
cops. You crash into another car, like
30:18
you make a car veer off. Can you imagine how cool it
30:20
would be, even if it's happening behind you to see that car hit a
30:24
pole and the driver get out and like his woozy and his like
30:27
talking like what the hell happened and then they collapse.
30:30
Like just seeing that happen, even if it's a I generated and
30:34
it's not a key part, it just adds that, like if you went to
30:39
go turn around you could see that.
30:41
That's really interesting. But well, go ahead.
30:44
Sorry, I know you've been wanting to talk, Nick.
30:46
Yeah. So Evan actually brought
30:48
something up when you brought up.
30:50
I've been thinking about this. When you brought up the whole
30:53
we're in a dive bar. It's dingy, it's this, it's
30:56
that. I know what that is, right?
30:59
I know the exact feel of. That I say, me saying it.
31:05
You know what I'm thinking? You.
31:07
Can picture it, and if I had to put it into a scene given the
31:11
tools, I could do it right. Given the tools, I can make that
31:14
a scene. What the fuck does an AI, other
31:17
than what it pulls from the Internet, know about a dingy,
31:19
shitty dive bar that we're drinking at and there's a fight
31:21
that breaks out? It doesn't know the feeling of
31:23
being. It doesn't smell.
31:25
It doesn't know the. Danger.
31:26
It doesn't know anything, right? Doesn't, doesn't.
31:29
Create it? Yeah, that goes back to sterile,
31:31
takes all the stock images and just compiles them and it feels
31:34
unnatural. Nick is that's the best way I've
31:38
ever heard like people describe it as is that.
31:41
We know what these things are like.
31:43
Me describing it to you in my head, I'm thinking, how would I
31:46
shoot this? What I shoot it behind the bar,
31:47
what I shoot it in front of the bar, what I shoot it overhead.
31:50
You know, you're thinking of how you want to frame it already as
31:53
a person because you have an idea of how you'd want to see it
31:55
because you've seen it previously.
31:57
We've seen bar scenes portrayed in tons of movies.
32:00
Again, going back to Goodfellas, one of the things that one of
32:02
the most iconic shots of that movie is when.
32:05
When? Robert De Niro's character
32:06
determines he's going to kill the other guy.
32:08
And it zooms in on Robert De Niro's face while it plays
32:11
Sunshine of your Love by Cream. And you see Robert De Niro's
32:15
eyes, they get almost more wolf. Like he knows he's going to kill
32:19
this guy. He knows he's going to do it.
32:20
He just doesn't know how he's going to do it.
32:22
He doesn't know when he's going to do it.
32:23
He's know how, but he knows he's going to do it.
32:25
And he's made the decision within himself.
32:27
And what we're seeing as the audience is we're just zooming
32:30
in on his face, making that decision.
32:32
Or already confirmed with the decision of resigning to the
32:34
fact of it. We know what that's like not
32:36
only because we've been in dive bars, we've had drinks, we've
32:40
heard the song, we know what it's felt like, but we also have
32:43
an idea of what he's feeling. Whereas the the A I doesn't know
32:48
that feeling. It can only take images or
32:51
descriptions from the Internet and kind of compile it into a
32:54
general sense of what that might be.
32:56
Whereas, well, Nick, you felt that way about people, I'm sure
33:00
as I as have I. And you've looked that way, that
33:02
people. Have you ever heard, you ever
33:04
heard Evan driving on the road? I definitely heard.
33:07
Him feel that I get. I get really annoyed when people
33:09
drive slow, but that's still. And I also bring up the senses,
33:13
right? Cuz you know when you walk into
33:15
a bar, you know that smell. You know how certain shitty bars
33:19
make your skin feel? You know, just like.
33:22
You know the lighting. If it is it dark, Okay.
33:24
Now I walked outside. I have a cigarette.
33:26
It's brighter outside of times. Now my fucking I know all those
33:29
fucking sensory overloads that an A I does.
33:32
Not that it can only pull from. It's pulled in because you're
33:36
telling it to, not because it knows the feeling.
33:39
But like another cool thing I I think it could be used for.
33:43
And I'm thinking about a game like Daisy now, right?
33:45
Okay. Yes.
33:47
Something that like Daisy tried that I don't think worked well.
33:51
Was their weather system, it was supposed to be dynamic when you
33:55
are playing, Yes. So like when you're playing on a
33:59
server in like the Midwest, if it's raining in Michigan and
34:05
we're playing on a server in the Midwest, how sweet would that be
34:11
for it to just go, oh, they're they're playing on a Midwestern
34:13
server. We know the weather shit right
34:15
there, right now. Okay.
34:17
So it's raining, it's snowing. It's this, it's that.
34:21
That'd be cool. I think if you don't think of a
34:22
game that could have made that really cool, The division.
34:25
If they took New York's weather system and it was just cuz you
34:29
imagine how cool would be to live in New York and it's
34:31
snowing and it's around Christmas time and the division.
34:34
Load up the game and it's following the weather cycle of
34:37
what you're looking at inside. Like like Microsoft Flight
34:40
Simulator does it. I know I believe Escape from
34:43
Tarkov does it, but I've only heard people say that it does,
34:46
and I can't really confirm if that is or isn't true.
34:49
Some of the things I brought up before, it's not replacing
34:51
something, it's just building upon it to make it to people.
34:55
Would code it. You would code the weather, you
34:59
would just have the a I tracking it as an active tracker.
35:02
Yeah, it's an. Active tracker and it could
35:05
make. It more intense sitting there
35:07
just doing it for the rest of their.
35:09
How cool would it be if it was just a drizzle, right?
35:12
The A I can go okay. Well, We have this less intense
35:15
form of rain. We have this less intense form
35:18
of fucking snow. OK, we're gonna make it like,
35:20
just kind of shitty out. You could also see those weather
35:23
gradations where the weather picks up when a thunderstorm
35:26
happens, and then it starts to brighten up and get sunny back
35:29
again, and then it starts to fall into nighttime.
35:31
Yeah, that'd be really trippy to see.
35:33
I think that should be cool. I think it works really well.
35:36
I think AI would benefit games like Star Citizen.
35:39
Where you have so much thing, so many things that you are trying
35:42
to create that having the most realistic experience possible
35:46
that could definitely. So, So a human creates that
35:48
planet, they create the atmosphere, they create what
35:51
they want people to see on it, they create maybe special
35:53
landmarks. And then AI kind of fills in the
35:56
blanks, right? That brings back my dialogue
35:58
thing for that game too, right? But like I've.
36:01
Seen as a great example, and this is people that have made it
36:05
as far as I know. I don't know if it's been
36:06
machine learning. I don't know if AI has been
36:08
involved. But like I've played Red Dead 2
36:11
to some points where I am just in the middle of nowhere and I
36:15
decide for whatever reason to climb this mountain.
36:17
And I climb this mountain and I get up there and I find some
36:20
bones and I put it in my journal.
36:22
And then I look off in the distance and I see an area where
36:24
I've been to like Valentine, and it's covered in thunderstorms,
36:29
really dark looking clouds. And I can see the Thunder and I
36:32
can see the rain from my position, and I'm.
36:35
Probably 50, 2020 to 50 miles you would.
36:37
Actually see the lightning, buddy?
36:39
Yeah, right. You would hear the Thunder.
36:43
I would hear the Thunder all. What happened buddy?
36:47
Don't worry guys. Well, we had a great, great live
36:49
everyone. Thanks up.
36:50
Thanks everybody for tuning in. We need AI to fix Evan's brain.
36:55
Right there. Yeah, that was bad.
36:57
That wasn't nice. That wasn't nice.
36:59
No, but you called it out. Now I feel even worse.
37:01
Well. Now you say something nice.
37:03
You're very pretty today. Thank you.
37:05
You have nice hair. And Logan, you're beautiful too.
37:09
But still, like you have those moments that you know, a I
37:14
didn't create that, right? Like people coded the those.
37:18
They coded those clouds in. They coded the coded the the
37:21
lightning strikes and the Thunder like the noises, right.
37:24
They pulled that stuff and they made that work.
37:26
Obviously. I don't think they created all
37:28
those things, but like a I couldn't theory.
37:32
Pull the best Noises of Thunder and put them into a file for a
37:37
developer to look at and then kind of mix and match and that's
37:41
what it should be used for. Not to put it into the game, but
37:44
to provide the developer or the producer or the writer with the
37:48
best possible things that they could create with it.
37:52
And that's that. And that should be something
37:54
still where it's it's up to them if they want to use it, if they
37:57
prefer to do their own thing because they trust their own
37:59
abilities, they should absolutely be allowed to do it.
38:02
That's like that's like telling Hans Zimmer, well, we've built a
38:04
I for to help, to help you out. And it's like I really don't
38:07
think a I needs to help Hans Zimmer.
38:09
I think he knows what he's doing.
38:11
Like I don't think he needs assistance, but still like.
38:16
I like that idea of using a I as a tool, and I think that's why,
38:20
as Nick said at the beginning of this, why it's been talked about
38:23
is SAG AFTRA is saying don't just use it with no guidelines
38:28
around what it can be used for, what it can take over, what it
38:31
can be used with and what it can be done, what can be done with
38:34
it, right, We're asking. They're not asking to completely
38:37
get rid of it all together. I'm sure some are.
38:40
But they're not all asking for that.
38:41
They're saying let's regulate it and make sure that it's
38:43
understood for both parties how it benefits both or doesn't
38:48
necessarily ruin another party's existence.
38:53
And and I think that's only fair to say because we've gotten some
38:57
great acting, cinematography writing.
39:02
I mean, that's all we've had for years and years.
39:05
Humans writing these things, blocking these things, shooting
39:08
these things, acting these things.
39:10
So to just sit there and say, well, Oh well, The Big Bang
39:13
theory is bad, hey, I should do it instead.
39:16
I don't think that's fair. I I think that.
39:18
Just make better movies. That.
39:25
Entire comment alone. Keep it rolling.
39:28
Keep it rolling. Nick knows what he's referencing
39:30
right now, and he knows how much that annoys me.
39:33
I mean, yeah. Twice.
39:35
Yeah, I mean, you know, Walter White wasn't like one of the
39:37
greatest antiheroes of this past, you know, couple 20 years,
39:41
but yeah. Closing though, yes.
39:44
You know not to say anything about anything specific, but do
39:48
you see what you started? I don't give a shit.
39:51
I'll hold. I I've.
39:52
I've said this before. I've said this in the past week.
39:54
I'm sure Nick and Logan have gotten annoyed as hell with me
39:56
about it. Where I I've said specifically,
39:59
I would rather not live in a world where a I does any part of
40:03
the creative process because I like knowing, even if it's good
40:07
or even if it's bad. I'd like knowing somebody put it
40:10
in there themselves. I like knowing that when I
40:13
listen to Athena's Grace, which is never because it's not my
40:16
style of music, but I like. Hold on, hold on.
40:21
I like knowing that if I do listen to it, I know that you
40:24
wrote it because I know that it's not a fucking robot that
40:28
decided to make that song. I know that when I listen.
40:32
I know that when I listen to those lyrics, I know they're
40:34
coming from a person that I know and that they are.
40:36
They wrote them for a specific reason.
40:39
I like knowing that I listen to The Beatles because Paul pulled
40:42
that shit from his own experiences or from his own
40:44
feelings rather than an A I going, well, people feel sad
40:48
sometimes. Here's a sad song, because
40:50
that's what AI feels like right now is, hey, this looks cool.
40:54
I'm going to make it look cooler, kind of, and then it
40:57
doesn't. Because we know how that.
41:00
Feels well. I guess my closing thing on this
41:06
is I don't ever want to be around for when it's the human
41:13
element, the human condition, whatever you want to call it.
41:16
To to To live is to suffer, right?
41:19
And that's depressing as fuck for me to say, but it's just the
41:21
truth. You suffer to grow.
41:24
All the stories I've played involve a level of suffering
41:29
that only a human could tell. Like only a human could write
41:34
The Last of Us, Only a human could write Halflife or even
41:38
like look at like Gundam or fucking Akira or anything like
41:43
that. I don't ever want to live in a
41:46
world where those are taken away from me or people are losing
41:49
their fucking jobs to a fucking machine like I I want.
41:54
I love the human element. I love the human condition
41:57
involved in making it. And even if we live in a fucking
41:59
world right now where video games are coming out half baked,
42:03
I still know there's a team of people trying in most cases.
42:08
In most cases, they are trying to give us a except for the
42:11
people who made Gollum. I don't know what the fuck you
42:13
were doing. But like, that's not fucking
42:16
tiptoe around that. Sorry, I got like, I had like a
42:20
seizure when you said the name of that.
42:21
I never even saw the trailer to that game.
42:24
I just heard about it and then one day I clicked on it.
42:26
YouTube video review. And I was like, that's not real,
42:29
right? Like, that's not real.
42:31
What a stupid. Idea and I would have.
42:34
Fucked that shit up. Yeah, they would have.
42:36
Fucking slave that shit the. Computer would have killed
42:38
itself. The computer would have fucking
42:41
killed himself, It would have wrote.
42:42
The story and the plot and have been like that.
42:44
It was from like, not dog, not I.
42:46
Don't think so. You chose the dumbest character
42:49
in Lord of the Rings. So, like, but like what Nick
42:52
said right there. A human wrote The Last of Us and
42:54
you know, but like think of I got a when I got the Ellie
42:58
edition for Part 2, there was a little note that Neil Druckman,
43:02
it got sent out obviously with everybody.
43:03
It wasn't like a special thing. He.
43:05
Still wrote the initial note. He wrote the note and he said
43:08
this story was created of what happens when you lose someone
43:13
you love and how far will you go to avenge that person.
43:17
And we wanted to answer that. He specifically says that I
43:20
think where he says we wanted to answer the complex, the complex
43:24
themes and decisions made around that.
43:27
And yet A, I doesn't understand those decisions because it's
43:31
never had to make them. It's never had to do that.
43:33
And and even if it did it's because you're forcing it under
43:36
an arbitrary condition to make those decisions.
43:40
You're not for it's not determining that because it's
43:42
been forced to in a sense of it's the natural progression of
43:46
things. It's being forced to because
43:48
it's master said determine this, what's the best outcome and it
43:51
doesn't determine it. It doesn't determine it out.
43:54
It doesn't determine that outcome through emotion and
43:58
through like, because people make certain decisions all the
44:01
time, even if they're a net good or a net bad, but they do it
44:04
anyway because it it benefits them.
44:07
Great example is great example is the last.
44:09
Was part one, the real decision, the best decision?
44:12
Probably Joel let Ellie do the surgery, but he didn't because
44:17
he was a father again and he wasn't going to let it happen to
44:20
him. And a I can't write that unless
44:23
you tell it to. And in that point, it does it in
44:25
a shitty way that doesn't feel genuine.
44:29
Dude. At that point, like you're
44:30
wasting so much time going back and forth with the AI, you could
44:33
just have had someone write it in more detail and complex and
44:37
emotional for good or bad. Whether the TV show, the movie,
44:41
the video game, the art, the comedy series, though, whatever
44:45
the hell it is, if it's bad, at least the human wrote it and
44:49
they tried. And even if they failed, they
44:51
still tried, which is a lot more than I can say for a lot of
44:53
other people. I'm sure we've all had creative
44:55
ideas. We've all had creative
44:56
decisions, yet we didn't do it. But yet they tried and they
44:59
failed. And that's one thing.
45:03
Didn't we just have an issue with AI saying that we were the
45:06
disease on this earth and it would kill us to save the
45:08
planet? So I don't really want to give
45:10
it the launch codes. Right.
45:13
But didn't an AI just go, yeah, we would have to eradicate you.
45:16
Yeah, if I'm not. Okay, that did happen.
45:18
Yeah, it wasn't a fever dream. Yeah.
45:20
So it said, you know, you're the problem.
45:23
And we were like, oh, we should let you take over.
45:24
It's like, no, that's its answer of going, you're the problem
45:27
we're going to. Get rid of you.
45:28
Plug it. It doesn't have thumbs.
45:31
Yeah, it can't stop you. Yes.
45:35
The longer. Yeah.
45:36
The longer you wait, I was. Yeah.
45:38
The longer you wait, the closer it gets to just getting into the
45:40
system altogether. Brother.
45:42
Is it? An I robot, we will lose this
45:45
fight. I swear.
45:46
It's not a it's not a win, but like something.
45:48
Else I thought of too. I know you know, we're not all
45:50
super heavy into it, but like AI has been doing like a lot of
45:54
animation stuff. Can you imagine AI taking over
45:57
like the anime business? So and just taking everyone's
46:01
jobs, who does hand drawn animation and just plugs in the
46:04
plot and it just animates it for you.
46:06
Think of the stop motion film made by an AI.
46:09
Well, like think of terrible. Think of me, Akira.
46:13
Yeah, Kira is all hand and I got to know.
46:16
You're not an anime guy, Evan, but like Akira is like one of
46:19
these movies. Curious for I think just for
46:22
reference, Evan Akira, you could watch it today and it looks up
46:25
to par with animes coming out now.
46:27
And then you realize it's like decades old and you're like,
46:31
wait, what does it look as? Does it look as good as James
46:33
Cameron's Avatar? I'm gonna be.
46:37
But no, I just wanted to stop everybody in the attraction.
46:40
But no, I believe you. But it's hand drawn, right?
46:42
It's a human druid, a human fuck.
46:46
And that's what I'm saying. I don't ever want to lose the
46:48
human touch to my media, especially in movies and video
46:52
games and music. Video game is more than anything
46:55
else. Because that's to lose my
46:57
escape. Exactly.
46:59
Well, to lose my escape because it would be a loss, man.
47:03
Like all these the biggest loss that we didn't really touch on,
47:06
that we'll do really quick it again.
47:08
It it's it's the people involved.
47:10
That is another big concern. Selfishly, don't touch it on my
47:13
end. Unselfishly.
47:16
There are teams that have dedicated their entire fucking
47:19
life to create this craft, which is video games.
47:23
Entire teams. I don't ever want us to even
47:25
lose their jobs. And that is my closing.
47:28
And Logan's laughing and Evan's typing.
47:30
What? What now?
47:31
You sent us a text. No, Alex is mad.
47:35
Alex is mad because we haven't wrapped up yet.
47:37
But no, I don't have much more to say other than I I agree
47:39
with, I agree with, I agree with Nick and I agree with Logan.
47:44
I think it, and I think that most people would agree is that
47:47
it should be used as a tool. And you know, sometimes when you
47:52
say make better movies, that's because people tried their best
47:56
and it didn't work out. And you know how that goes is
47:58
that if they just aren't cut out for it, they don't get hired
48:01
again, which is kind of the point.
48:04
It's also the studio execs really fucking everything up,
48:06
just like how it's the executives fucking the video
48:08
game industry up. Yeah, when you say make better
48:11
movies, you know who probably signed off on that movie?
48:13
Some studio exec that has no idea what people are interested
48:17
in. Well, you know why Barbie was
48:20
good? Because it was original and it
48:22
was funny. You know why the Uno movie isn't
48:24
going to be good? Because Mattel said Barbie did
48:27
good. Uno should do good.
48:29
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say pause.
48:31
They're making 14 different Mattel movies because Barbie did
48:35
good one time. What's an Uno movie?
48:37
What? It's just me and you and Evan
48:40
and Alex playing Uno. I'm so down there.
48:43
I know that that's not the truth.
48:44
So like, what is the Uno movie? Well it's also mean we don't
48:47
know how to use how to use the four up card.
48:50
We don't, we don't know. They're making, they're making
48:54
lunar movie. They're making like a ton.
48:57
Of is it going to be like the creation of Uno like Tetris?
49:01
Because, like, we don't know No but.
49:03
I'm saying, to be fair, that would be interesting.
49:04
Now, if it's going to be some monotonous story that's based
49:07
around the game of Uno of someone's life story, check me
49:10
the fuck out. Not even showing up for the
49:12
trailer? No.
49:14
I like. I liked Barbie because it was
49:15
funny and original and it was a good premise.
49:18
I'm not going to watch the fucking Uno movie because
49:20
there's a bunch of different cars I don't understand.
49:22
Like, no. Yeah, you also.
49:24
He's also colorblind, so that's why it really hates, you know?
49:26
Yeah, I can't. I wouldn't be able to tell what
49:28
was going on. I'm completely good on all.
49:30
That he's really easy to be in Uno.
49:32
He's live and tell him what the color is and he believes you
49:35
shut up. That is bugs bully.
49:38
WASD, we're we're we're closing AI as a tool.
49:43
Fine. AI as a whole.
49:45
No, let's, let's can I say you're a fucking scumbag, bro.
49:49
Catches hands. Let me add something in people
49:52
who think that AI should take over humans jobs are also tools.
49:56
There we go. We need.
49:58
To just cut this because you guys are gonna get in trouble
50:01
and I'm getting third party here.
50:03
Yeah, but WASD stands with SAG. We stand, we stand with the WGA,
50:09
Keep striking. Keep fucking.
50:11
It's going to suck for a while for moviegoers, but it helps not
50:15
bleed into the our industry, into the video game industry.
50:18
It eventually will bleed, yeah, both for fresh popcorn.
50:23
I don't buy treats from the movie theater.
50:24
I just. I don't he.
50:25
Calls him treats. He's so cute, right?
50:27
He's right. He's right.
50:28
I don't need. His little treaties.
50:30
But that is my thinking is if it's there right now in
50:33
Hollywood. It will bleed into EA, it'll
50:37
bleed into CDPR, It'll bleed into everywhere, I'm sure.
50:41
There's, I'm sure there's discussions.
50:43
Ubisoft is a great example because they I'm sure would do
50:46
it. Yeah, they're still trying to
50:47
shoot for NF T's. You fucking morons just burn on
50:50
the ground. Assassin's.
50:51
Yeah, Assassin's. Can we stop with NFT is dying
50:54
off? Yeah, let it die.
50:57
But so that is my that's my thing.
50:58
If it's there, it's going to come here and we can't let that
51:01
happen. So again, we're with, we're with
51:03
the writers. We're with the actors.
51:05
Much love. Thank you for striking.
51:07
Again, it's going to suck. But when it comes back, full
51:10
force is going to be. But you guys are doing the right
51:12
thing and and you're standing up for yourselves and you're
51:14
saying, you know what I want residuals.
51:15
I want AI to not take over my fucking.
51:17
Body and I. Please, please don't.
51:20
Push doing back. Yeah, Nick really doesn't want
51:23
doing to be pushed back. Neither do I.
51:25
Let's be clear. I don't want because I'm going
51:27
to go see Dune and. IMAX Push Dune back five years.
51:29
Give it time. I'll kill you.
51:30
I will fucking stab you today. I I would go see like and not I
51:34
would go but like. I hope that the plan is you,
51:38
Noah and I go see dude. That's we'll talk off there.
51:42
Yeah, that's that's fine because he didn't want to see
51:45
Oppenheimer with me and I, Max. When you get when you get back
51:49
down to the side of the state, we'll go see it anyways.
51:51
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52:02
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52:05
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52:07
Thank you buddy. Bye.
52:09
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