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Ep. 239 ~ The Mysterious Case of the Vanishing Telex · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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into William Walter of the New Orleans yes I Office. So during their early
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morning hours, okay, for November the seventeenth, nineteen and sixty three,
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the teletype machine in the FBI office in New Orleans began to rattle away William
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S. Walter, a young security clerk who walked over to the machine.
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Walter was alone in the office. His regular working hours were from midnight until
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eight am. He read the message, which was addressed to all sacs that's
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special agents in charge of the various offices of the f BEHIND. Noted that
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it came from the Bureau Director J. Edgar Hoover. The message read urgent,
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and Walter read it very carefully. Was headed threat to assassinate President Kennedy
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in Dallas, Texas November twenty two, Dash twenty three, nineteen sixty three.
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Miscellaneous information concerning the short message revealed that the FBI had received information that
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there might be an attempt to assassinate President Kennedy during his trip to Dallas one
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November twenty second or twenty third, nineteen sixty three. The sacs were instructed
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to immediately contact all ciss as criminal informants of all pcis's potential formal informants in
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all quote logical, racial and hate group informants in order to investigate the threat.
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Walter called Special Agent in Charge Maynard, who was charged with the responsibility
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of running the New Orleans office. Maynard ordered Walter for immediately all the various
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special agents who ran SIYS and PCIs. Walter woke up five special agents to
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read the teletype message to them. He then wrote their names upon the face
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of the teletype. Soon Maynard arrived at the office to take charge. In
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the eight o'clock in the morning, Walter left the office. The response to
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the teletype demonstrated that the New Orleans office considered the message to be of unusual
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significance. Five days later, early in the afternoon of November the twenty second,
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nineteen sixty three, William Walter was in a barbershop getting his hair cut.
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A radio broadcast was interrupted with news that the president had just been shot
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in Dallas. Walter raced back to the FBI office to reread the teletype.
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He showed it to various special agents and asked, how could this have happened?
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We had five days notice. Later that day, Walter typed a copy
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of the teletype rode across the face of the copy the names of the five
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special agents he had called on November seventeenth, soon after the assassination, and
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FBI directive ordered the New Orleans office of the Bureau to direct the various agents
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who had conducted interviews regarding the assassination to re examine those reports. The object
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was to make sure that there were no conflicts with Hoover's public position Oswald was
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the lone assassin. All information that might embarrass the Bureau was to be deleted
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from new reports then being prepared for the Warning Commission, and the original documents
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were to be destroyed. Walter later decided to look at the original teletype again
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alone in the office, check the appropriate file drawer, and discovered that the
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teletype had disappeared. The only written proof of his existence was the copy that
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Walter had made and taken home. When Senator Richard Schweiker, then a member
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of the Church Committee, began an inquiry into the assassination of President Kennedy in
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nineteen seventy five, Walter flew to Washington, DC to provide him with the
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information in his possession. Schwiker's committee subsequently urged that the Senate appoint a committee
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to conduct a full scale investigation of the murder. Walter lives in Louisiana,
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where he is currently the vice president of a bank. He is prepared to
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testify before the HSCA commit the assassinations regarding the authenticity of the teletype message.
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That copy, never before made public, is published here for the first time
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since it was prepared by Walter on November the twenty second, eighteen sixty three,
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and it reads as thus two of all sacs from the Director threat to
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assassinate President Kennedy in Dallas, Texas, November twenty two, Dash twenty three,
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nineteen sixty three. Miss information concerning INFRO has been received by the bureau.
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Bureau has determined that a militant revolutionary group may attempt to assassinate excuse me,
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President Kennedy or his proposed trip to Dallas, Texas December twenty two,
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Dash twenty three, nineteen sixty three. All receiving office should immediately contact all
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CIS PCIs, logical, racial and hate group informers to determine if any basis
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for threat. Bureros should be kept advised of all developments by a teletype some
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know what that means? Sub me FT three, zerre two's and LA him
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other office has been advised and I please love Dallas c T T I A
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TU clear at and then written on here is the names of the five agents
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to Walter woke up that morning and let them know. That would be Agent
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Warren Debreeze. You may have heard of him before, Agent Wall, Agent
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Cock. That's Milton Cock, sort of him before Maynard and Gilman at least
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of all special agents in the New Orleans Field Office. UM one. Let's
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see March twenty sixth, nineteen sixty eight, Nashville, Tennessee what's up,
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Doug I william S Walter make the following free involuntary statement to special Agents Robert
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Jensen and William Bulkans, who have both identified themselves to me as representatives of
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the FBI. I've been informed of my rights, but do not wich to
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sign a form indicating that I have been so advised. Copy of this form
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was furnished to me, and I was also informed of the provisions of Title
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one s Sectually one thousand and one of the US Code. I understand what
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I've been told. I am a former FBI employee who handled clerical duties in
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the New Orleans office. Among my duties with the handling of teletype messages that
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came in during my working hours. I recall that sometime during my tour of
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duty midnight to eight am on November seventeen sixty three, I received a teletype
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from Left Beyond Headquarters. This was a conference teletype sent to New Orleans and
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other southern offices. I do not remember any other offices, nor can I
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recall the specific title of this teletype. I do know this teletype contained information
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to the effect that there might be an assassination attempt on President Kennedy in Texas.
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I do not I recall any specific town in Texas being mentioned, but
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I do know that Texas was indicated. I am not mistaken about my receipt
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of this teletype. I also know that other clerical employees know of the receipt
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of this teletype. Some of these clerical employees are no longer employed by the
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Bureau. I do not want to identify these employees at this time. I
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was also asked if I had furnished information regarding my receipt of a teletype on
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November seventeenth, nineteen sixty three, regarding in the ledge attempt on the life
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of President Kennedy to anyone else. I have furnished information regarding this to my
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attorney, three representatives of the U. S. Attorney's Office in New Orleans,
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and two special agents Jensen and Maulkins. I have not furnished any information
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regarding this teletype to Mark Lane, Garrison or any representative of their offices.
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I also wish to make the statement that I was not specifically asked while in
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the Jacksonville office of the FBI whether I actually received the teletype in November seventeen
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to sixty three regarding in the ledge attempted in the life of President Kennedy,
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I denied while in the Jacksonville office furnishing any information to Mark Lane, and
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said that I told Mark Lane that I never received heaved any such message or
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communication. All Right, So this guy's clearly on the side of the FBI.
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He's not trying to stick it to the FBI. In fact, he's
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saying here that he never told Mark Lane anything. He even denied getting the
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teletype to Mark Lane. And this I'm sure he was approached by Jim Garrison's
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office. So instead of going to Garrison, and remember this is the nineteen
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sixty eight rows that he's furnishing, this, he's walking in in Nashville to
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the Memphis the way. He's given this AFFI David, or whatever you want
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to call it, to representatives of the Memphis Beer or Memphis Field office of
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the FBI in Nashville, and he talks about a depth position in the Jacksonville
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office of which I do not go to the date, and I do not
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have any coroborating documents. I cannot find anything on it, but he is
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alluding to it here. So he goes on to say, I wish to
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repeat that I did receive as I said before, one, November seventeen sixty
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three, a teletype directed to New Orleans and other Southern offices which contained information
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to the effect of someone has said there might be an assassination attempt on President
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Kennedy in Texas. I am not mistaken about this. I've read this statement
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consisting of this and two other pages. I agree with it, and it
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is the truth. Signed William S. Walter in the present of Special Agents,
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YadA, YadA, YadA, right, Memphis Field Office. So we
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have here, you know, a guy who is definitely trying to do the
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right thing in his eyes, which is not feed a conspiracy, buffs any
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information. He wants to clear the record. He was voluntarily going to the
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FBI to make statements such as this for the record that we all know,
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and it's been discussed on this show before about Jager Hoover's FBI. They did
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not want to look incompetent, they did not want to look like fools.
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Then they certainly did not want to blame because a Kennedy assassination. But it
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laid at their feet if it got out that the FBI had knowledge assassin assassination
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attempt and Kennedy in Texas on the specific dates and didn't didn't do anything to
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prevent it. Well, it looks pretty goddamn bad on the FBI, pretty
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pretty bad, of which they would not have wanted that public knowledge, and
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it wouldn't have been and it wasn't. You don't see anybody else saying this,
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nobody else saying the same information. So in response to Walters walking in
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to Nashville and giving the special agents, they're a voluntary statement about receiving this
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color type, the FBI does their due diligence for their own records and cracks
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down Mister Harry Mayner, former Special Agent in charge of the New Orleans Office
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of the FBI in November of nineteen sixty three. Now this time in March
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twenty eight, sixty eight, Mayner or Mainer, is a security director for
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General Telephone in the Electronics Service Corporation in New York, New York. You
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know, big money, big money. So in March twenty seventh, sixty
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eight, mister Ferry Mayner advised that he is a former special Agent of the
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FBI who in the past served as the Special Agent in charge of the New
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Orleans FBI office. He advised that he acted in this capacity in November sixty
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three, when Kennedy was murdered in Dallas, Texas, Mister Mayner advised that
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he recalls one William S. Walter as a clerical employee of the New Orleans
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FBI office in November of nineteen sixty three. His actual position was that of
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security patrol clerk. His duties included concending and receiving of teletype messages to and
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from other FBI field offices and FBI headquarters in Washington, DC. All right,
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so so far we've got corroboration from the man in charge in New Orleans
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to this fellow, William Walter was the security patrol clerk who handled holotypes.
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Right, so we've established that much so far. Regarding allegations made by Wayne
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S. Walter, did a communicate the FBI headquarters in DC was received the
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New Orleans FBI office on November seventeenth, nineteen sixty three, stating in effect,
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there would be an assassination attempt on the President's life during his forthcoming fifty
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death to Texas. Mister Mayners stated that he has no record election whatever,
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receiving or seeing any such salis type or other communication containing this message. He
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would remarked that had such a message been received by him, he most certainly
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would have some recollection of it. He also stated he has no recollection of
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receiving a message by telephone or by any other means from William S. Walter
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during the morning though November seventeen sixty three, following receipt of this alleged communication
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informing him of its content. Further, mister Mayner stated that he did not
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instruct any of a special agent personnel during the morning of Ding seventeenth, following
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the receipt of this alleged communication to alert informants in the New Orleans area regarding
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a possible assassination attempt on the president. Well, that's not quite what he
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said. Basically, wanted his agents to connect with all their confidential informants and
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potential confidential informants and see if they had any information regarding this assassination attempts.
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Mister Mayner was asked whether he can recall receiving or seeing any communication from FBI
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headquarters instructing the various special agents of the New Orleans FBI office who conducted interviews
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concerning the assassination of President Kennedy to theamine their interview reports to make sure there
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were no conflicts contained in them, and whether the special agents were ordered to
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resolve any such conflicts by preparing new reports and destroying the old reports. Mister
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Mayner replied that at no time had he instructed Special Agent personnel participating the investigation
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of President's assassination to change or alter in any way or just roy investigative reports
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concerning interviews conducted in connection with this matter or subjects connected with this matter.
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This allegation, but mister Maynor stated, is unequivocally false. M I'll right
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there. So in January nineteen sixty nine, right, let's see who wrote
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this? Who wrote this? Okay, Louis Louis Lequeur, the United States
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Attorney from the Eastern District of Louisiana, New Orleans, to a mister William
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S. Blocker, attorney with a General Crime Section, Criminal Division, Department
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of Justice, Washington, DC, regarding William S. Walter, Dear mister
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block in response to mister Belcher's letter of January seventeen sixty nine. The following
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is a summary of an interview we had with William Walter, who had accompanied
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by his attorney, Guy Wootton, on October twenty eight, sixty eight.
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President President. At this interview was also my first assistant Dean Almasano. Walter
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stated that he went on duty as security patrol clerk in New Orleans office at
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midnight, beginning his eight hour tour of duty in November seventeenth or eighteenth.
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My notes are not clear here. Relieving Tom Bevans, who worked at three
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forty five to twelve am shift, Walter indicated them in the late evening hours
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of mister Bevans shift, they coated t the type was received and due to
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the press of getting it out the day's mail, Bevans did not attempt to
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decode the teletype, but left it for Walter when he came on at midnight.
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Walter said that he took the teletype upon something on duty, went to
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the safe and got the code drum for that day, and placed the same
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in the decoding machine and decoded the teletype coming from the machine on sticker tape.
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He stated that he took the sticker tape and arranged it on a page
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and then typed the message, placing the original teletype and the tape copy in
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the safe, and placing the original and carbon copy of the type copy of
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the message on the desk of the Secretary of the SAC. His memory of
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the contents of the teletype was that an assassination attempt would be made on President
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Kennedy's life when he made his trip to Texas. Walter recalls the fused me
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initials of the sender of the teletype were h l F. He stated,
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just with a conference type message going to a number of cities. He does
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not specifically recall the conversation with then SAC Harry Mayner. I feel certain that
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he did contact him, He stated he is sure. He also contacted agents
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who worked at Informants and stated he is sure he would have contacted the following
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agents, and of first they are redacted, but we know who they are
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as I've read it before. So in question as to the other persons who
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may have seen the teletype, Walter stated that Thomas McCurley, who was then
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a supply clerk with the FBI and who did special duty on the teletype the
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knight of the assassination, discussed on the night of the assassination the teletype,
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which was in the file. Walter claims that McCurley definitely saw the teletype and
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questioned him as to whether or not Walter contacted the right people when the teletype
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was received. Walter was most emphatic that McCurley definitely saw the teletype. He
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went on further to say that about two months after the assassination, he Walter,
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Roy Simon, a night clerk with the FBI, and McCurley searched the
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file for the teletype and were unable to find it. Another person, Otis
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Page, a supply clerk employed by the FBI at the time, may have
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seen the teletype, although Walter isn't sure that he did, but it is
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certain that he discussed the teletype with him at the time. Another person employed
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by the FBI was John Chancellor, and Walter states that he may have also
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had knowledge of the teletype, but he is not sure. Walter stated that
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about six months after the assassination and airtel was received by the bureausing certain cereals
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be forwarded from the assassination file to the bureau in DC. Walter definitely remembers
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the conversation with Essay redacted, who at the time was stationed in Bogeloosa and
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who came into New Orleans late one night after he Walter called the informant agents
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after receipt of the teletype. Walter said that his former wife, Narin Johnson,
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who was also employed by the Bureau at the time of President Kennedy's assassination,
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had knowledge of the teletype as he discussed it with her on the night
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of the Johnny Carson Show. When Garrison mentioned Walter and the teletype, Walter
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said his former wife phoned him and asked him what he was going to do,
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whereupon he said he was going to retain a lawyer and co operate with
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the Bureau. So there, folks, is I guess now we have the
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catalysts. So reason that Walter voluntarily went to the FBI in nineteen sixty eight
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and gave that statement it was because Garrison called him out It's Night Show.
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And Speculating as to where Mark Lane or Garrison may have acquired information as to
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the existence of such a teletype, Walker stated that one possibility would be the
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Clayshaw hired the Wackenhut firm to do the investigation for him to the two former
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agents redacted and redacted, as well as his former wife, were employees of
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Wackenhut at the time. Gaul hired this firm for investigation purposes. Walter said
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that the teletype should be serial number one and file eighty nine dot sixty nine
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dot redacted. Other files containing material and the assassination are one hundred DASH one
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hundred sixty one, which Walter designated as an internal security file, and two
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other numbers are in my notes and it's not clear what they indicate, but
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those numbers are one oh five and sixty nine fifty nine. McCurley is rumate
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at the time of the assassination was Joe Coleman, who according to Walter,
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is still employed by the Bureau. Walter's home addressed at the time and the
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interview was redacted. Yours Louis Lequeur, the United States attorney. So I
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think they were doing all this at the time. They kind of covered their
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basis and you know, just a face. Garrison subpoene Walter testify under oath
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about what he saw. You know, that they could have their story straight
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and make sure that Mayner was on the record saying that he doesn't remember any
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of us. So very interesting. So at this point Garrison doesn't subpoena him,
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and information is really not used by Garrison and his investigation of clay Shaw.
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You know, the matter kind of goes away for a little while until
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nineteen seventy five and the Church Committee. So fast forward to September of nineteen
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seventy five. We have a United States Government memorandum to mister mc governmont from
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AC franc subject analysis of alleged a s AC teletype message, dated November seventeen
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sixty three. The communications section is thoroughly reviewed. There rigid mollotype message from
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FBI Headquarters to all secs captioned threat to assassinate President Kennedy in Dallas, Texas,
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eleven twenty two, sixty three. This analysis assumes that the teletype message
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appeared exactly as dictated to Nancy Collins, in which case there are numerous inconsistencies
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which would indicate that it was contrived or reconstructed from memory. The following is
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a line by line listing of inconsistencies. Line one the time and date,
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or in reverse order. There was no teletypist assigned at FBI Headquarters in nineteen
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sixty three with the initials h LF. Verry F. Louderback did work the
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midnight shift at that time and use the initials h F. L. However,
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he cannot recall any details specific messages handled. Of course he can't,
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and the terminology one page does not belong on line one of the format,
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which should be located in line three. Following from director as one P,
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Lines two and three appear normal, except the one piece be in line three
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is stated above lines four and five. The caption does not appear normal,
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as it was accepted practice in such cases to use the caption unsubbed threat to
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whatever, and the date would have been spelled out November twenty second, sixty
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three, not in numerals, which it wasn't on the copy that I read
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from. Well, we'll get to that. Lines twelve and thirteen. The
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term bureau should have could be kept Advised of all developments viatilla type would normally
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have been shortened to read su tell developments Line fourteen. The term other offices
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have been advised appears redundance, as the message was directed to all SA sees
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line fifteen. This line should appear end and act L not. Line sixteen
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through nineteen appear to indicate that this message was transmitted simultaneous to lead to three
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offices Iemobile, Dallas and New Orleans followed by a single acknowledgement indicated by the
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characters K, T, T I T u CLR. This is inconsistent with
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the normal sequence of events, since each of the three office abbreviations should be
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followed by a separating acknowledgement consisting of the time, okay, FBI, field
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office abbreviation, and operators initials. These diagrams JTTI do not correlate to any
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known TELO type terminology. However, the tu CLR meant thank you, clear
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and is accepted terminology. The following is an exact representation of how the message
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should should have appeared, with the appropriate format and terminology used in bureau message
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as it at that time. So and then they go to give an example
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of what the teletype should have looked like as opposed to how Walter said that
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it appeared. The possibility exists that if the original copy of the alleged message
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were reviewed, it would be found that the errors in format were attributable to
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the dictation. Further, although the above reflects normal practices which were strictly adhered
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to at the time, it is not inconceivable that a series of coincidences could
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have resulted in a message similar to that presentage action for information only. Information
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only. So we have now another memorandum from the US States, the United
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States Government to a mister one All from J. G. Dagon. Purpose
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of this memorandum is to provide comments regarding an analysis for the alleged teletype from
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the Director to all SACS dated eleven, seventeen sixty three. This is from
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September twenty fifth, nineteen seventy five. The following comments are submitted with respect
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to this document. One in nineteen sixty three, then existing procedures called for
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spelling out dates rather than abbreviating them. Two. It is likely that an
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authentic teletype would have contained the full name of President Kennedy in the title.
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Three Terminology such as information has been received by the Bureau appears awkward and is
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not keeping with Bureau of terminology. Four but I'm pretty sure I've seen that
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any mini FBI twoques before. But okay, four instructions contained in this teletype
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requested contact with cis PCIs logical. Radical and hate group informants, security informants,
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and potential security informants could have logically been included. We're omitted teletype requests.
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Submission of FT three h two's this request is an unusual and as informants
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are not normally required or requested to submit such forms. Six the last sentence,
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other offices have been advised appear as awkward as the teletype is addressed to
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all sacs Action none for information more ass covering folks from September twenty six,
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nineteen sixty or nineteen twenty nine. September twenty six, nineteen seventy five.
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Let's get it right round, okay two then Director of the FBI from the
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Special Agent in charge Ted Gunderson, maybe one November twenty five, redacted,
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Dallas, Texas advised they wish to be as cooperative as possible with the FBI.
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However, because of their positions, they requested to following information be maintained
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in the strictness of confidence. Under no circumstances will they testify as to what
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they have furnishes data to the FBI for verification of information only I Ted Gunderson
38:42
granted redacted and expressed promise of confidentiality per their request as to the information they
38:49
furnished me and as to their identity. Redacted A former FBI clerk in New
38:58
Orleans, Louisiana, who claims a lot duty the FBI office that city.
39:02
A teletype was forwarded by FBA FBI headquarters to all sacs. This teletype reportedly
39:09
claimed a militant revolutionary group may attempt to assassinate President Kennedy in Dallas one November
39:16
twenty second. They refused to identify this x FBI clerk by name redacted.
39:25
This former FBI clerk on one or several occasions, furnished information as follows.
39:34
And by the way, you know what, Ted Gunterson's initials are P LG.
39:39
Just like the louting government. Just a cool side there. Number one,
39:49
there was such a teletype. Number two. He removed this teletype from
39:53
FBI files, the one of Louisiana. Three, he typed a copy from
40:00
the original while in the FBI office. Number four. He is presently under
40:06
his control the original. He has presently under his control the original of this
40:10
document, which he cooked from the FBI files. Pay attention to that when
40:17
I just reginal he has presently under his control the original of this document,
40:22
which he took from the FBI files. Number five. His lawyer in Louisiana
40:28
has a Z Rocks copy of this reported teletype. Six. The original copy
40:34
of this reported teletype is in a lock box somewhere in the vicinity of New
40:37
Orleans, Louisiana. And then there is a big redacted paragraph, and then
40:45
he prefers the FBI determined the location of the town directly from the x FBI
40:52
clerk and stated he feels the x FBI clerk will provide this information if asked
40:58
redacted. The x ler advised him he was on duty at the FBI New
41:02
Orleans office on the night of the assassination, and after the teletype, which
41:07
was directed to all sacs, was received by New Orleans, he made handwritten
41:12
notes from the original teletype and then typed up a copy on FBI paper redacted.
41:20
The following is a verbatim copy of this teletype which I've read numerous times
41:28
here so kip over. This x FBI clerk explained that on the reported original
41:35
of this teletype, in the lower rating corner where penciled the names as follows
41:39
the breeze wall cock maner Gilmore. This x clerk informed him these names were
41:46
written on the reported original teletype to indicate that all five had been notified and
41:51
receipt of this teletype by the New Orleans Division that night. To the best
41:57
of that clerk's memory, they were all notified than forty five minutes of the
42:00
time that teletype was received by the New Orleans office. The ex clerk told
42:07
him subsequent to receipt into teletype, he removed this reported original teletype from the
42:10
six six two osile of the New Orleans office, but could not sign a
42:15
copy of it in a substantive case file. So quite obvious to me,
42:23
Ted Gunnerson is referring directly to William Walter. Yet he had been talking to
42:37
two other people who had been employed at the FBI at the time, so
42:43
that's kind of a interesting corroboration there, and also the information that William Walter
42:49
is sitting on the original FBI teletype, which will come up later. So
42:57
pay attention over the second nineteen seventy five Jurse Committee document here the United States
43:07
Government memorandum regarding mister j. B. Adams. On September the thirtieth,
43:15
nineteen seventy five, Deputy Associate Director Assistant to the Director, James B.
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Adams met with Chairman Peter Ridino, House Committee on the Judiciary the Chairman Don
43:29
Edwards House Committee on Civil and Constitutional Rights to brief the Chairman on certain allegations
43:35
that have been made regarding the Bureau's investigation of the assassination of President John F.
43:40
Kennedy. Also president of this meeting, Word Inspector John Hodis, Earl
43:45
Dudley, Chief Council House Judiciary Committee, and Alan Parker, Chief Council House
43:52
cub Committee on Civil and Constitutional Rights. Mister Adams also discussed the allegiations made
43:59
by William Walter, a formal clarropon employee of the Bureau, who claims that
44:04
the teletype was sent to all FBI field offices alerting them to the possibility of
44:08
an attempt would be made to his last named President Kennedy one eleven, twenty
44:14
two sixty three. Mister Adams pointed out that this allegation was thoroughly investigated by
44:21
the Bureau in nineteen sixty eight. Yes, yes, we have all that.
44:24
We've been through all that and no evidence was developed to support it.
44:30
Definitely, Okay, A kind of prinsion review has been made of all FBI
44:38
files and there is no record of any such teletype. Of course, there's
44:44
not going to be an official record of an FBI headquarters. Are you hitting
44:46
me? He said? That when mister Walter was first interviewed in this matter
44:53
by the Special Agent in charge of the Jacksonville office, that he denied having
44:59
made this statement or having seen such a teletype, and then he later changed
45:04
his story and told other officials he had seen such a teletype and had probably
45:08
notified his special agent in charge. Mister Adams said that a polygraph examination of
45:16
mister Walter was inconclusive, although one examiner stated that there was some indications of
45:22
deception. Wow. Okay, so there's there's a lot of back talking bullshit
45:31
and that one sentence there, Let's let's read. Let's re read that.
45:37
Mister Adams okay, said that a polygraph examination of mister Walter was inconclusive.
45:46
Okay, although one that is precluding, there's more than one. One examiner
45:55
stated that there was some indications of deception to what thought the entire test or
46:07
one question or three questions? Or what? And where is this polygraph examination
46:13
done on William Walter? And where is the Jacksonville interview? He said,
46:22
it is not possible at this time to determine whether this is a hoax or
46:28
whether mister Walter sincerely believes that such a teletype exist. He said, mister
46:32
Walter may have in mind a teletype that was sent to all field offices after
46:37
the assassination, requesting that all logical sources be contacted in this matter and the
46:44
bureau be promptly advised. Okay, so now they're saying that he may just
46:50
be confused here, you know if with another teletype. Okay, goorth,
47:00
mister Adams. Sure thing. Then December seventy five, apparently h CBS News
47:17
interviewed Warren Debris as part of a u I guess an investigative special in the
47:27
JFK assassination, and they also interviewed William S. Walter. This letter is
47:34
from December tenth to CBS News near missus missus Herbst Herbst Herbst. In answer
47:45
to your request, we are pleased to send you a transcript of our CBS
47:47
Reports broadcast in which you were interested. This transcript is being sent to you
47:52
for your reference and review use only, and no part of it may be
47:55
published without written permission of the CBS Law Department. Thank you for your interest
48:02
in our broadcast. Sincerely, Yours, May Down, Director of Special Projects,
48:10
and Miss Deborah herbs It was on the Select Committee. On intelligence activities
48:21
at the time. Now, this transcript that she requested goes a little something
48:29
like this, huh, Faull, what was your relationship with him? To
48:37
Breeze, he was an individual that I recall having contacted, perhaps as many
48:42
as a dozen times, I suppose during the early sixties, prior to the
48:46
assassination of President Kennedy. And what you're talking about here is rs Pinion.
48:51
Okay, Paul or as Pinions says that he was, in the literal sent
48:57
an informer for the FBI, that he knew you well because you were his
49:01
contact man with the FBID, and then on numerous occasions he saw you and
49:06
Lee Harvey Oswald together, and in particular in a Greek restaurant in New Orleans
49:10
in the French Quarter. But your response to that, Breeze, My response
49:16
to that is that he is wrong in his statements. I've never seen Lee
49:21
Harvey Oswald at any time in my life personally, nor have I talked to
49:25
him by telephone. Knowingly, I've had absolutely no contact, no personal knowledge,
49:31
firsthand contact with Lee Harvey Oswald, nor do I have any secondary contact
49:37
with him. Paul, was Lee Harvey Oswald an informant of the fbhid the
49:44
Breeze. He was not my informant. I have no information whatsoever that he
49:50
had ever been an informant for the FBID. Paul, did you ever use
49:54
the phrase to get your ass or threaten the rest pinion in any way in
50:00
connection with his morning commissioned testimony? Breeze, I certainly can't recall every having
50:07
made that statement to arrest pain Yam. My recollection is that I treated him
50:12
with a great deal of patience and with due respect. There would have been
50:15
no reason whatsoever for me to have made such a statement to him. Rather,
50:22
and rather, William Walter was an FBI security code clerk and the New
50:29
Orleans Office of the FBI from nineteen sixty one until nineteen sixty six. He
50:32
told me about Oswald and the FBI. Do you think Oswald was by your
50:37
definition and by the bureau's definition and inform it William Walter? Yes, I'm
50:45
sure he was. Rather, are you certain on the basis of what you
50:52
did in the normal course of your duties that Oswald's name was of the New
50:55
Orleans FBI office security index file? Walter and positive the Breeze, I would
51:06
say that's a falsehood. Had he been an informant and I had him as
51:09
a subject of my investigation, it would have been logical that I would have
51:14
been aware of that fact because of cross references in the final and for many
51:19
other reasons. And I say that sir is a falsehood, right, Yeah,
51:30
Now, up to this point, William Walter had always been pro FBI,
51:37
you know, on the FBI side of things. He was just trying
51:38
to tell his truth. You know, some people, no matter their loyalties,
51:47
want to tell the truth, even if it means that they're going to
51:53
get in trouble because of it. Now, many times under oath and even
52:00
under alleged live detective tests and all this jazz. Did Walter tell his story
52:08
about the teletype, but that wasn't the only story that he had to tell.
52:15
And then the very the last kind of interview with CBS News I read
52:24
concerning whether or not Debris was running Oswald as well as folks like Rspinion.
52:34
Of course, by the time of the Counselect Committee on Assassinations, they definitely
52:39
wanted to talk to William, asked Walter, and well, I don't have
52:46
the entire transcript. I do have a part of the transcript. Relating to
52:53
another crucial piece of information that William Walter shared with the HSCA, not involving
53:05
the teletype, but more of the New Orleans office of the FBI in general.
53:13
So you know, up to this point, like I said, he's
53:20
all been pro pro FBI, even though the FBI won't have his back.
53:24
They deny this teletype. They got his boss to deny this teletype. They
53:31
cite random live to detective tests and other interviews in which Walter supposedly said contrary
53:43
to things to his later depositions. But we don't have those. So can
53:54
we take the word of the FBI, who has everything to lose in this
54:00
or are we going to take the word of William Walter, who the only
54:07
thing he has to lose really is its credibility? What benefits him from making
54:12
up this information? It makes the FBI look like shit. If they did
54:16
receive a teletype five days before the assassination, it makes them look really incompetent
54:23
and guilty of not doing the due diligence to protect the president. And what
54:30
exactly information did they have? I mean, this is just a general job.
54:37
It had to come from somewhere. So let's move on to William Walter's
54:46
HSCA testimony. Walter, your question of whether or not I have any knowledge
54:57
that's certainly Lee Harvey Oswald's being an informant or what knowledge I have of the
55:00
Aswall before the assassination is that I was on duty Saturday morning in November or
55:07
October when Oswell requested to be interviewed by an FBI agent. Ginzman, did
55:15
you could you be speaking of August nineteen sixty three Walter, yes, I'm
55:22
not sure it was some time before the assassination, though he had been arrested
55:28
by the New Orleans Police Department during a I believe it was a picketing of
55:32
a fair Play for Cuba committee, or he was involved in the fair Play
55:37
for Cuba committee. He requested an agent to interview him at the police department,
55:42
and Ginsman interrupts an agent Walter, yes. An agent quickly handed me
55:50
a memorandum with Lee Harvey Oswall's name on it and asked me to check the
55:53
indexes and determine whether or not there was a file or files or that name
56:00
individual in the New Orleans office. I recall searching the indexes and finding a
56:06
card that showed more than one file number, which would indicate we had more
56:10
than one case, not necessarily meaning that the cases were on active investigation,
56:15
but that sometime during the New Orleans Office inquiry into Oswald, there were cases
56:22
that his name appeared in other than one file when I searched. Now this
56:28
makes sense because before Quickly would have went down to the New Orleans Police Department
56:32
and spoken with Oswald, he would definitely want to know who he was talking
56:38
to, so he definitely would have asked and search with no pull any files
56:45
relating to A. Lee Harvey. Oswald picked this guy out before he went
56:49
down and talked to him. So back to Walter. When I searched these
56:54
files in the normal filing area of the bureau, which was in an open
56:59
bay filing cabinet, the files were not there. From looking at the numbers,
57:05
they sell in the category. Looking at the file numbers, they fell
57:08
into the category category of security type informant type files with a one oh five
57:17
classification and one thirty four classification. I gave them a mirandum with the notation
57:23
of the file numbers we had in our indexes back to Aging Quickly, and
57:29
that is the last I heard or the last time I was interested in seeing
57:32
any information about Oswald until after the assassination. It was after the assassination that
57:38
I was curious and went back to look up to see what the files would
57:43
indicate that had been done by the New Orleans office to Oswald, curious as
57:47
to whether or not our office had an ongoing investigation before the assassination. What
57:53
I found was a file in the Special Agent in charge is Safe or his
58:00
locked file cabinet. I don't recall the fund file number, but I recall
58:05
on the jacket of the file special Agent Warren Debris's name. I want to
58:10
make a point that I only found one file, even though, as I
58:15
recall, there were more files listed their office had that had Oswald's name referenced
58:22
in them. And I also need to make a distinction that just because an
58:25
individual would have his name in the indexes and the file number would not necessarily
58:31
mean that that file was that the individual was a subject on that file.
58:37
He could have just been interviewed and then interview should put in the file.
58:43
In that case, the page number would be listed next to the file number
58:45
to share the serial that the individual had in that file. And Oswald's case
58:51
has showed that there were more than one file assigned number two number assigned to
58:57
him, Enzeman, would it be fair to say that these indexes which indicated
59:02
these file numbers would not indicate whether the other not indicate whether the files were
59:08
active or pending. But they were in fact files on Oswald for these particular
59:15
categories, either in the past or in the present. Walter, that is
59:19
correct. The indexes only showed what files were in the New Orleans office,
59:23
whether or not they were active or closed. Gentzeman, with reference to the
59:29
file on which special Agent to Breede's name appeared, did you at that time
59:32
identify that file as being a being a security informant file as opposed to some
59:39
other type of file? Walter, I can't recall what file jacket I looked
59:45
at. It was either a one oh five or one thirty four, don't
59:50
really know. I could not in nineteen sixty eight when I was asked,
59:52
do not remember them either, Genzeman, do you know of any FBI employees
59:59
who developed Oswald as an informant or a confidential source of information? Now pause
1:00:07
here for a second, because when I read you those internal FBI memorandum concerning
1:00:16
Walters nineteen sixty eight interview. Remember that it was only about the teletype.
1:00:23
It was never about the Oswald files. They were never mentioned in those internal
1:00:30
FBI documents the rate here Walter tells you, I could not in nineteen sixty
1:00:37
eight when I was asked, I could not remember then either, which is
1:00:42
interesting. So again, do you know of any FBI employees who developed Oswald
1:00:47
as an informant or a confidential source? Walter, I don't have any firsthand
1:00:52
knowledge other than what I saw on the jacket, the name that I saw
1:00:57
the jacket of the file learning the Breeze. I know employees of the FBI
1:01:01
that should have knowledge of Oswall being involved either as an informant or a security
1:01:07
investigation. And these were agents that were in the position and assigned to these
1:01:12
categories within the New Orleans jurisdiction. Ensman, can you name anyone who would
1:01:20
substantiate the allegation that Oswald was an FBI informant? Walter? I don't know
1:01:27
of anyone that would that. I can give you the names and some that
1:01:30
should know, Ernest Wall, Milton Cock, Warre in the Breeze. That
1:01:38
is all that comes to my mind, mister Walter, I would like next
1:01:45
to ask you questions concerning a teletype which you allegedly received at the FBI Field
1:01:51
office, DA, DA, DA, And he goes on to talk about,
1:01:54
yes, so we've never received a teletype. Blah blah blah blah blah.
1:02:00
So the story, William Walter takes a dramatic turn there at the end.
1:02:09
It would appear that the informant files or any security or investigating files on
1:02:15
Oswald in New Orleans in nineteen sixty three had disappeared, disappeared. Of course
1:02:25
they would, Hoover would wanted this information deep sixth if the FBI had any
1:02:32
contact at all with Lee Harvey Oswald, you can bet your bottom dollar those
1:02:40
files were burned, destroyed, bomb deep six, that on the fire,
1:02:45
nuked, whatever you want to call it, credited and dun Sky they would
1:02:52
just teletype. It would have made the Bureau look very, very mad.
1:03:00
And had they had any prior contact before the assassination with Lee Harvey Oswald in
1:03:07
New Orleans, especially if he had been a confidential or paid informant to the
1:03:12
FBI, that would look real bad, like real or real bad. So
1:03:20
you better believe it would never ever see those knockings. But then again that's
1:03:28
not quite the end of the story. Curiously enough, like the story is
1:03:35
not weird enough as it is. But to cap it all off, folks,
1:03:44
ah, and I don't even know what to make of this, But
1:03:46
here we go. And this is a FBI airtell who's the director from the
1:04:01
SAC in New Orleans? And this is from January second, nineteen seventy eight.
1:04:12
On December the twenty ninth, nineteen seventy eight, mister Leo Herbert,
1:04:16
of the Office Services Manager of the New Orleans Division FBI sized there are no
1:04:21
records existing from which information can be retrieved to substantiate attendance on duty a former
1:04:29
security patrol clerk William S. Walter in the New Orleans office on August tenth,
1:04:36
nineteen sixty three. So again they're trying to discredit will you miss Walter
1:04:45
by saying we don't know if he was a work or not that day when
1:04:50
he went to check on these records, the Oswaltz records for season quigly before
1:04:57
he went down to see Oswall at the jail. So there you have it,
1:05:04
folks, the strange dramatic story told to us by William Walter, what
1:05:12
under oath? Many times to the HSCA, the Church Committee, the FBI.
1:05:17
This was the guy who was on the FBI side, who worked for
1:05:19
the FBI from nineteen sixty one to nineteen sixty six. But he wanted to
1:05:28
tell his truth that this is what happened. So we should call William S.
1:05:36
Walter an unsung humoring of the Kennedy assassination investigation, because if what he
1:05:45
says is true, it did not look good for our United States government.
1:05:53
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